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A Very Special Week in TCCLs

Given the events of the week, let's do an all Portis-gate version of the TCCLs, eh?

-2004 TCCLs - Ownership/Management.

The roots of Portis v. Zorn can be traced back four years, when one set of rules for Clinton Portis and another for everyone else first began to be used. There are never any real consequences for his actions and he is continually rewarded. There is some blame to go around on all sides, but Jim Zorn inherited this situation and at some point any coach is going to draw Portis's ire for one perceived slight or another. You could see this coming in the offseason.

- 26 TCCLs - Clinton Portis.

You can't even really blame him all that much after being empowered and entitled the last four years by Joe Gibbs and Daniel Snyder. But at some point the team has to come first. Throughout Portis' rant it was pretty much "me, me, me" and how he makes no mistakes. His timing could not have been worse and the whole outburst was unnecessary.

Zero (Medium) TCCLs - Jim Zorn.

Should he have dropped being The Executioner (how about that duo - The Sourcerer and the Executioner?) and limited the "execution" talk? Sure. And given who he was up against here, pulling Portis into his office Monday afternoon for a little heart-to-heart would have made a lot of sense, too. But other than that, Zorn appears to have been treating Portis as he would any other player in terms of explaining his limited role Sunday. (Treating all players equally; what a novel concept.) He was upfront and candid, again, meeting the problem head-on Wednesday with players and the media. People are calling for his job, unfounded rumors are swirling and Z-Man seemed to stay pretty darn medium amid it all.

52 TCCLs -- Players

They were forced to respond and react to this mess, even though they had no role in it. This has been a classy and proud locker room for a while now - Gibbs deserves much credit for that - and the team displayed that again this week.

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 12, 2008; 1:00 PM ET
 
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Comments

Wow, tongue and cheek on the 52! tccls...

Posted by: Zeebs | December 12, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

From the Times:

Right tackle Jon Jansen just told me that not only won't he play on Sunday at Cincinnati, he won't even make the trip, staying home to rest the left knee he sprained last week at Baltimore.

"It swelled up on me pretty good," said Jansen of the knee's reaction to his limited practice on Thursday. "It stiffened up so this won't be the week I get back in there. Hopefully, I can get the swelling out and get back next week."

Defensive tackle Cornelius Griffin's abdomen is still so painful that he didn't practice on Friday and he likely won't play Sunday. Kedric Golston, who has his own problematic ankle, will likely replace Griffin. Safety Chris Horton, who missed practice all week with a sprained right shoulder, is also doubtful. Mike Green would start if Horton can't play.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 12, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

RED, if you didnt see it, two more long winded posts about hockey on the previsou thread.

I will try to turn anyone into a fan. much less irritating that the skins!

Posted by: Zeebs | December 12, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Lost in the whole portis/zorn drama is the stark realization that the team was 6-2 when running the ball, 1-4 when changing to "trying" to pass the ball.

Posted by: tbarz1 | December 12, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

tbarz,

not really. a lot of Cp's rushing numbers from our 2nd and 3rd win came in the 4th Q...

Posted by: Zeebs | December 12, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Big problem is the front office telling what players to play.

Gibbs had given up on JC, and Williams didn't get the job in part because he wanted to start Collins.

Fassel insisted on an open QB competition as well.

Zorn was the only candidate who promised Snyder and Vinny that Campbell would be the guy no matter what.

I like JC, but no coach should have a player forced down his throat like that.

Posted by: MylesMonroe | December 12, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

although we're in the midst of a playoff push..I've heard sides for both drafting based on need vs drafting based on best available...any thoughts as to which is better?

'09 believe we got...

1st
2nd - Mia (J Taylor)
3rd
4th - NYJ (P Kendall)
5th
6th
7th - Minn (E James)

Posted by: forever21 | December 12, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

tyler,

I do not know all the GM's and top scouts in the league, but I would go for a Peoli pupil he gets the job done in NE and I think the guy that Atlanta picked up at the begining of the year to run there team worked under him. They are doing pretty well.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 12, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

although we're in the midst of a playoff push..I've heard sides for both drafting based on need vs drafting based on best available...any thoughts as to which is better?

Posted by: forever21

How many times does the player that gets drafted actually end up being the best player "available"? Go for need. Chances are you're not getting the BPA even if you tried. At least help yourself by giving the player a better shot at impacting your team by drafting with a need in mind.

Posted by: psps23 | December 12, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

good point psps, especially with our FO track record...

Posted by: Zeebs | December 12, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

psp,

I will go with that, I say need in the first 4 rounds best available after that.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 12, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

agreed - need should outweight best available...that's all for draft talk - back to task at hand --> bungels

Posted by: forever21 | December 12, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

we're screwed. another season down the drain. Is it so much to ask for a defense like Baltimore's or Pittsburgh? With that defense it doesn't matter how bad the offense is. Defense wins championships after all, wish we would have hired a defensive minded head coach.

Posted by: isonic1 | December 12, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

The saddest thing about forever21's post is the sheer lack of picks in light of team needs (interior linemen/a speedy slot player). So let's think NBA style and consider which player could be paired with a pick in 2010 to get additional picks in '09:

Moss (mid rounder?)
Randle El (low rounder?)
Betts (low rounder?)
Cooley (high rounders: he's worth a 2 and a 3?)

Let the conjecture fly...........

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 12, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

If I'm not mistaken, there were a bunch of OL guys taken this past draft who are starting for their respective teams, Miami, Denver, Houston, Atlanta KC, Carolina, come immediately to mind, who are playing with rookies on their OL, and they seem to be having a reasonable amount of success.

Is it feasible that this could happen to the Redskins next year, they could draft a RT, and plug him into the starting lineup?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 12, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

MISTAMOE

nO
yES
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nO

Posted by: Zeebs | December 12, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

why give up on known commodities and rely on the draft when we have shown time and time again we are not very good at picking talkent.

Posted by: Zeebs | December 12, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

we're screwed. another season down the drain. Is it so much to ask for a defense like Baltimore's or Pittsburgh? With that defense it doesn't matter how bad the offense is. Defense wins championships after all, wish we would have hired a defensive minded head coach.

Posted by: isonic1 | December 12, 2008 1:23 PM |

The defense is the problem sure your right.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 12, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I say we use betts as trade bait (Det, Cincy, Sea) for a low round pick...'09 go w CP/Sellars and look to pick up a Steve Slayton/Chris Johnson late

Posted by: forever21 | December 12, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Moss (mid rounder?)
Randle El (low rounder?)
Betts (low rounder?)
Cooley (high rounders: he's worth a 2 and a 3?)

Let the conjecture fly...........

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 12, 2008 1:27 PM |

Moss= 10,270 salary cap hit no team would take on his contract.

ARE= No one would give a pick for this guy he can no longer return kicks and he is a 3rd WR at best.

Betts= That might work

Cooley=13,500 salary cap hit contract to big for a team to take on.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 12, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Steve Slaton -he dosent lose foot races.

Posted by: Stu27 | December 12, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

Other teams play rookies all the time why the Skins choose not to is beyond me.

It's not like we are going after the SB every year, if your going to lose anyway what difference does it make.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 12, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I love it when things denigrate into the "lets make a deal" arena.....fun times for sure....I say, trade Betts for Adrian Peterson from the Vikes, and trade Mike Greet for Adrian Wilson from the Cards. Who's with me.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 12, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Chris Johnson was a 1st round pick. Yeah we should have hired Gregg Williams. Jax is playing lights out on D.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | December 12, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I hope the Giants kick the sh!t out of the Cowturds on Sunday.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 12, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Not going to get anything for Betts. RBs are a dime a dozen these days. Look at the undrafted P.Thomas playing in NO.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 12, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Zeebs you are right and wrong. Some great decisions have been made: S. Taylor, Cooley (even though he has been iffy lately), etc. Really bad ones were made as well: Lloyd, Deion Sanders, Randle El for example. It is a hit or miss "science" in a lot of ways but those who are the best at it are not, and probably would balk at, being employed by Dan Snyder.

Posted by: Tyler2Durden | December 12, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I'LL SAY it's a special TCCL Week.

Oprah is returning to the scene of the Leap. Well, instead of Cruise coming to jump on her couch, she's going to his Spread" El Ron Hacienda Acres Ranch.

Will he leap again?

Nah. He traded in his whack job Scientology sister as his PR for a professional PR person.

Posted by: TheCork | December 12, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Zeebs

The Skins are okay on picking talent (Cooley/Horton/Golston/Montgomery/McIntosh/Blades, Cartwright are decent, respectable picks). The issue is they are only interested in the sexy picks (which is why wide receiver/cornerback) types have dominated their drafting. A young GM type like Morocco Brown--who should be promoted- would go for lineman/backup skill players that fit the schemes employed on both sides of the ball. And a guy like Brown would look for the kind of lunch bucket "I'd give anything to be on an NFL roster" types that dominate special teams play. The Skins need to do like a low level NBA team would and pair up valuable players with future picks, and get more picks to get the guys they need.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 12, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

MylesMonroe -

Please feel free to substantiate any of your claims with a quote, link, reputable news source or some other valid evidence.

Otherwise nobody should take your comments as anything but agenda driven supposition.

Posted by: keino83 | December 12, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I love it when things denigrate into the "lets make a deal" arena.....fun times for sure....I say, trade Betts for Adrian Peterson from the Vikes, and trade Mike Greet for Adrian Wilson from the Cards. Who's with me.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 12, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

The question is who's going to drug the GMs of those teams so we can make the trades.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 12, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Negative 1,000,000 TCCLs for Jason La Ca Ca.

Here's to this being his last season on this beat!

(Please quit!)

Posted by: IHateJLC | December 12, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

LaCanfornia (or whatever) has had an edge against the Skins and Portis in particular for whenever - he is the kid who never got picked and now it is time to get even. Treating everyone equal is not part of managment in any business or field of endevaor. Jimmy Johnson, Cowgirls, said so and so did Wilbon of the Post. Your job is to win games and you win them by pushing some and petting others and you do not throw your star under the bus. Telling the Press that he was not doing his job right is throwing him under the bus. I like Zorn and he will grow and get better but it is NOT HIS JOB to please the ink stained wretches by staying medium. It is his job to win games and that means understanding how to manage people. This whole idea that players must subordinate themselves to the team is one of the misunderstood concepts of all time. Put simply, if you get kicked by the team, do not yell ouch and do not kick back. Someone feelings might be hurt. What rot.

GAR

Posted by: h20law2000 | December 12, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Folks:

Check this out on FOX Sports:

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/pgStory?contentId=8932814&MSNHPHMA#sport=COLLEGE%20FOOTBALL&photo=8932598

I still think CB should get a couple of starts this year!!!

Posted by: fortysteps | December 12, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Folks:

Check this out on FOX Sports:

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/pgStory?contentId=8932814&MSNHPHMA#sport=COLLEGE%20FOOTBALL&photo=8932598

I still think CB should get a couple of starts this year!!!
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Hilarious!!

Almost everyone on that list has been an NFL bust.

Posted by: kreator6996 | December 13, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

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