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TCCLs

TCCLs must mean the weekend is upon us:

96.2 TCCLS - Jason Campbell

The real deal. Should have had another fourth-quarter comeback Sunday. That's heady stuff.

37 TCCLs - Reed Doughty

He's a classy kid, willing to give up his number a second time, and just hungry to get healthy and fight his way back onto this roster next season. You get to meet a lot of special people in this line of work, and Reed is as good as it gets.

-19 TCCLs - NFC East

What the bleep happened? Teams dropping games all over the place (only Philly won, and they got luckier than the Rams to pull that off, with a gift from San Fran). Injuries (Dallas). Dubious trades (Dallas). Suspensions (Dallas). Prime-time implosions (New York). All of a sudden the NFC South is the division everyone is talking about.

-24 TCCLs - The Injury Bug

With the Skins short on practice bodies, with so many guys nursing injuries, Shawn Springs ends up taking a heavy workload in practice at multiple positions so soon after coming back from his calf strain ... and ends up aggravating that. Fred Smoot is perpetually in and out of the lineup on Sundays, and another draft pick, corner Justin Tryon, might find himself thrust into a far more significant role that he may be ready for. The Skins relied on the draft to fill almost every depth spot exclusively after shunning free agency, and that decision appears likely to be tested.

- 980 TCCLs - The draft class

Perfect segue from the previous post. The Skins created a scenario in which these kids represent 20 percent of the roster, and will have to produce. The first five picks have provided absolutely nothing. Heck, Chris Horton is the only guy adding anything at this point, and as the season churns on and injuries mount, the kids will have to chip in on the odd play here or there.

By Jason La Canfora  |  October 17, 2008; 5:30 PM ET
 
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Comments

-5 TCCLS. Pinkies.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 17, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Smack, how about that Trevor Wikre. Oh, you probably mean Romo, huh?

Posted by: 4-12 | October 17, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Lol, Smack.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | October 17, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Six games in and injuries are adding up. The norm in this league.

I'm thinking Campbell and Moss need to try a few deep ones this week. Its been a few weeks since they've tried to go deep to Moss and I hope the timing is still good between them.

Plus the Browns are going to need to worry about our run game a lot. They'll be either giving up stuff deep or the intermediate stuff ... I don't think they can cover both.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 17, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

The first five picks have provided absolutely nothing...

By Jason La Canfora

On the surface, this sounds like some bad picks, but Rinehart was picked for depth, as was Tryon. I would argue that Davis was also picked for depth, though another position could have been helped with this pick. Kelly has been injured, and although Thomas is not playing up to where he should be at this time, he is playing and learning the nfl game.

Sounds more like a dig than just some good factual info if you look at that statement just on the surface IMO.

Posted by: Skins930 | October 17, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

beeo, beep

Ooops! That was two posts and three minutes ago! My bad!

Posted by: cmecyclist | October 17, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

The first five picks have provided absolutely nothing...

By Jason La Canfora

Posted by: Skins930 | October 17, 2008 5:40 PM |

Too bad we didn't have more injuries so that the first five picks could get on the field more. Just think what they could have produced if Cooley, Kendall, Moss, Rogers and Randle El had all been out for five weeks.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 17, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Easy on JLC fella's, he's on the right path Thomas and especially Kelly have not contributed at all, Kelly is as soft as whipped butter in a microwave oven and Thomas when he isn't drawing penalty flags doesn't know the plays and they both came to camp out of shape, nice going Vinny.Brooks is gone for all intent and Tryon and Rhineart are in the growing phase Horton and Moore the two safety's are good, Horton obviously Moore the jury's still out Rob Jackson seems to get it and is on the field more than i expected so i think JLC's got it pretty much correct.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 17, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dargregmag | October 17, 2008 6:15 PM |

There is not much room to argue about contributions from Kelly and Thomas, but the other three of the five JLC is pointing out were not picked to contribute immediately. I am just stating that when you make a statement like JLC did that you have to look at the reasons why those three are not contributing. To lump all five together, to me, just sounds like a dig.

Posted by: Skins930 | October 17, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

JLC's got it pretty much correct.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 17, 2008 6:15 PM |

Anyone like you or Jasno who's willing to evaluate a draft after six games is guilty of premature ejaculation.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 17, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Jason was absolutely correct! This draft class is garbage! If it wasn't for Vinny stumbling on to Horton, it would go down as one of the worst drafts EVER. If Justin Tryon has to play, the Skins are certain to get crushed. I've never had a favorable opinion of the PAC 10, but if this dude was one of the better corners in that league I can see why USC dominates every year. Media and players know he shouldn't have made the team.

Posted by: dcwun | October 17, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

This draft class is garbage!

Posted by: dcwun | October 17, 2008 6:29 PM

WOW! What a statement. One question, which team are you the GM for that you can speak with such authority?

If you are not a GM, or scout for any NFL teams, with your ability to judge talent you need to submit your resume immediately!

Posted by: Skins930 | October 17, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

The Skins relied on the draft to fill almost every depth spot exclusively after shunning free agency, and that decision appears likely to be tested.

A) Is this, or is this not, coming from the same guy who auto bashed the Redskins front office for signing free agents instead of building depth through the draft? Just wondering.

B) Isn't Jason Taylor a guy who was signed as a FREE AGENT this preseason just after TWO D linemen went down with season ending injuries? And had't Jason Taylor previously not missed a start in a decade and was regarded as a premier pass rusher at the time of his signing?? Again, Just wondering.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 17, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

- 10 TCCLS - Jason Campbell
If he were the real deal, then there would have been a 4th quarter comeback. But not.

Posted by: chas2 | October 17, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

- 10 TCCLS - Jason Campbell
If he were the real deal, then there would have been a 4th quarter comeback. But not.

Posted by: chas2 | October 17, 2008 7:05 PM |

Let's see. The 'Skins were winning until the last play of the game. When was the 4th quarter comeback going to happen?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 17, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Talent, I could not even think of how to respond to that comment, I was so dumbfound!

Posted by: Skins930 | October 17, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

chas2, you gotta sober up before posting. Skins were down going into the 4th quarter. Campbell drove them down for a TD to put them ahead with a couple minutes to go.

Its just that the Rams did their own comeback on their subsequent possession -- the last of the game.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 17, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

seeing how things are going now, the only thing that can really hurt is this season are injuries..which is how it goes EVERY SINGLE YEAR! can we get some players that dont get hurt every single week..how fragile are we, geez! and shawn springs, hasnt played one full game yet this year, nor has smoot! if it comes down to tryon and torrence playing, we can say goodbye to this year, believe that

Posted by: ripmeast21 | October 17, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

- 980 TCCLs - The draft class

...as the season churns on and injuries mount, the kids will have to chip in on the odd play here or there.

By Jason La Canfora | October 17, 2008; 5:30 PM ET

Don't you think we should wait until after they've been asked "to chip in on the odd play here or there" before we determine that they're complete and total failures?

This is about as stupid as Sally Jenkins who declared Zorn a failure after his first game and then had to come back five weeks later with crow feathers sticking out of her pie hole.

Actually, it's even stupider because Zorn had done a bad job in that first game. Most of these guys haven't played enough to be a failure or a success.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 17, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

seeing how things are going now, the only thing that can really hurt is this season are injuries..which is how it goes EVERY SINGLE YEAR!

Posted by: ripmeast21 | October 17, 2008 7:30 PM

Can you remind me of what teams aren't struggling with injuries? It's professional football. People get hurt, at least if they're playing the game right.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 17, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Jason was absolutely correct! This draft class is garbage! If it wasn't for Vinny stumbling on to Horton, it would go down as one of the worst drafts EVER. If Justin Tryon has to play, the Skins are certain to get crushed. I've never had a favorable opinion of the PAC 10, but if this dude was one of the better corners in that league I can see why USC dominates every year. Media and players know he shouldn't have made the team.

Posted by: dcwun | October 17, 2008 6:29 P

You're being sarcastic, right.

Posted by: Predator48 | October 17, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

JLa is going overboard on the draft class. I've agreed that it seemed nuts that all 10 of the picks made the team -- the odds of that happening are pretty slim unless there is a push for that.

I've mentioned that I see the draft as playing the odds. There are very few sure things and lots of surprises. The Skins seem to have caught lightening in a bottle with Horton, but it shouldn't be a shock that 1 pick of the 10 is doing very good things.

What is real is that the top picks are doing so little. I never understood the Fred Davis pick since we already had Cooley. I liked the idea of drafting the 2 supposed best big WRs in the draft, just to improve the odds that one would turn out good. So far, not much. If you add in the penalties taking away yards, I'm not even sure we're talking positive yards.

The picks of Colt and Brooks made little sense to me. They got a lot of bodies late in the draft and I'm all for that. There are usually gems to be found at the bottom of the draft. Tom Brady, Marques Colston, Chris Horton.

But Jasno's point about the picks occupying 20% of the roster is fair. That is a lot of slots to give to guys who probably are not ready to make much of an impact this year. It lessens your depth when injuries hit. And that is what is happening now.

It strongly suggests that the Spaghetti Gang didn't think Zorn was going to be this successful, because the Skins were investing for the future instead of looking to make a run this season.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 17, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm off for the weekend. But not before a tip of the hat.

I'll be putting on my Motown Studio A shirt. I'll be drinking out of my Motown mugs. And I'll be listening to the some of the wonderful Four Tops tunes.

My homage to Levi Stubbs.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postrock/?hpid=moreheadlines

Best to all.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 17, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

From NFLDraftdog.com

Redskin Running Back Bust Turns into Home Town Hero

(excerpt)

"...So...why bring up a guy who went from hometown hero to Redskin zero? Because (he) is once again a hero. No, he doesn't fight for Old DC, he puts it on the line out here on the Left Coast--near LA. How can that be? We all know the City of Angels has no pro football team—if you don't count USC….

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/NFL%20Team%20Columns/washington_redskins_nfl_team_col.htm

Posted by: TheCork | October 17, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

R.I.P. Levi Stubbs

News bulletin: "DETROIT (AP) -- Four Tops frontman Levi Stubbs has died at 72."

Sad news...

In addition to al those memorable Motown tunes, he was the voice of Audrey in "Little Shop of Horrors."

"Feed me, Seymour!"

One of the great GREAT rock and roll voices...

Posted by: TheCork | October 17, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Let's review the draft:
* picked a punter who failed, even though we had an ok punter to begin with;
* picked a tight end who may yet become a wonderful player, but we already have a young, pro-bowl tight end;
* took not one but two wide receivers, one of whom, Kelly, was passed over by many other teams who questioned his mental attributes, maybe for good reason, and who appears to have failed to physically prepare himself for the season; and another, Thomas, who shows more promise now, despite over-aggressiveness and lack of focus that have led to penalties.
On the plus side, we got a steal in Horton.
Overall, an abysmal draft, especially for a team in need of a youth infusion, especially in the offensive line.

Posted by: jdsp2000 | October 17, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

But Jasno's point about the picks occupying 20% of the roster is fair.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 17, 2008 8:00 PM |

No, I don't think it means a thing. First off, these guys are contributing already. But, more to the point, who could we have kept from the final cutdowns who would be making a bigger contribution?

It's not like all the guys we cut are lighting it up somewhere else. Most of them are still available if we want them back. I think that McMullen's the only one who made a roster.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 17, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Overall, an abysmal draft, especially for a team in need of a youth infusion, especially in the offensive line.

Posted by: jdsp2000 | October 17, 2008 8:35 PM

Let's see. Nine out of ten are on the team. That's a youth infusion. And why do we need a youth infusion especially on the offensive line? We've got five good starters. And we've got two good, young backups, one from this draft and one from last year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 17, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

24 TCCLs - The Injury Bug

With the Skins short on practice bodies, with so many guys nursing injuries, Shawn Springs ends up taking a heavy workload in practice at multiple positions so soon after coming back from his calf strain ... and ends up aggravating that. Fred Smoot is perpetually in and out of the lineup on Sundays, and another draft pick, corner Justin Tryon, might find himself thrust into a far more significant role that he may be ready for. The Skins relied on the draft to fill almost every depth spot exclusively after shunning free agency, and that decision appears likely to be tested.

----------------------

Dude, make up your mind. 1st we get blasted for signing Free Agents, now we are getting blasted for using draft picks instead.

There dosen't have to be controversy and/or negativty every week every week. Let the draft picks play out. That's why usually sign draft picks because they are seasoned. But because of the looming labor battle, we are stocking up on youngins..

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 17, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Anyone like you or Jasno who's willing to evaluate a draft after six games is guilty of premature ejaculation.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 17, 2008 6:28 PM

For an old fuddy duddy, you have some good zingers!

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 17, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

++++Too bad we didn't have more injuries so that the first five picks could get on the field more. Just think what they could have produced if Cooley, Kendall, Moss, Rogers and Randle El had all been out for five weeks.

Posted by: talent_evaluator +++


I'll give you snarky points, but not for logic.

Fella named Zorn made reference to a two tight end offense. So far, that's meant a retread at the other slot opposite Cooley. If Davis had close to Cooley's skills, he’d be on the field WITH him. Coaches said he came expecting the job to be handed to him.

Rookie OLinemen play in the NFL. The Redskins lost their starting ORT. A beaten up, battered gutsy old vet (who can't pass block much) stepped in because Rinehart wasn't up to the task.

Thomas and Kelly showed up out of shape and got hurt. Again, the coach hinted at cause and effect. Neither was meant to replace Moss or Randle El right away. But Zorn's three-wide option is now a 14 year special teams vet, not either second round rookie.

If you're saying Tryon wasn't drafted in the third round with the idea of getting PT as a nickle or dime, then he was an utterly wasted pick this high.

Hey I hope he pulls a Horton Sunday and snags three balls. But I'm not holding my breath.

And as I do every week, let me predict that THIS WEEKEND one of the redskins rookie receivers will have a big game.

Because if, say, Thomas was any dang good after six games, it would mean they couldn't double a healthy Moss all day.

Posted by: TheCork | October 17, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Cork,

Like I said before, if you're ready to evaluate the draft class after six games you've got premature evalujaculation.

And you don't even get points for rhetoric (where you usually excel).

If "Davis had close to Cooley's skills"? Right, he'd be in the pro bowl. As a rookie.

Rinehart's a guard. So you think he's a bust because he isn't ready to start at tackle?

And where do you come up with this: "If you're saying Tryon wasn't drafted in the third round with the idea of getting PT as a nickle or dime, then he was an utterly wasted pick this high."

I'm saying he wasn't drafted in the third round. Period. Fourth round. Rinehart was the third round pick.

Etc.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 17, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

For an old fuddy duddy, you have some good zingers!

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 17, 2008 9:05 PM |

4th, you should know better than this. We are not "fuddy duddies." We like to be known as "senior citizens." As in "May I please have the senior citizen discount?" Works everywhere. Fuddy duddy discount works nowhere.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 17, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

So the Dolphins were up 7-3 in 2nd Quarter of SB XVII driving a long drive, and Shula called a QB rollout pass / run option but the Skins were there to stop him.
Forcing a 3rd down and goal pass attempt which was incomplete.

Could have been 14-3, and Redskin history would have been vitally altered. But 'Phins had to settle for FG and a 10-3 lead.
Skins were awakened, drove down very next drive scored to tie it up 10-10.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | October 17, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs had used Doc Walker to come in motion and stop in the middle of the line to help block. On the first play of the Skins drive Gibbs again had Doc come in motion, stop in the line at the snap of the ball but suddenly skirt out to the left and Doc was wide open. Joey T completed the pass and I think it went for about 25 yards! And the Skins were off on there 80 yard drive to tie the game at 10-10 with just under 2:00 remaining.

Gibbs 1.0 could game plan couldn't he?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | October 17, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

The game-planning Gibbs had another trick up his sleeve on this drive to get this game tied up ASAP.

The Skins [the old timers will recall] employed a moving pocket because of Joey T's stature. JT had great feet so he would drop back, then Gibbs 1.0 would have the line drift to a side of the field moving the pocket while JT sprinted to that side and set his feet to throw down field.

Well, on this play once Joey T was to set his feet, now surprisingly to all, he turned all the way back to the other side of the line where Riggo was all alone waiting. Riggo caught the pass and picked up about 20 yards and another key first down.

Gibbs 1.0 could sure game plan couldn't he?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | October 17, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

- 980 TCCLs - The draft class

Perfect segue from the previous post. The Skins created a scenario in which these kids represent 20 percent of the roster, and will have to produce.

By Jason La Canfora | October 17, 2008; 5:30 PM ET

Jason, you lazy toad, do some research instead of just blowing hate. How many rookies do you think a typical NFL team has? I just looked at the rosters of eight teams, and most of them had 9-12 rookies on the roster. Baltimore and Denver both have 12 rookies. The Redskins have 10. So, if the Redskins have too many rookies (20% of their roster!), so does everyone else in the league. Sheesh.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 17, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Joey T hit Alvin Garrett on a 3rd and 1 surprise call for a TD.
The "Fun Bunch" some coming from the bench [which is really why this was outlawed fellow Skin fans-- it was not to be unfair to us] gathered in the End Zone did their "thing" and the place roared, revealing there were many Skins fans who had come for this game and were now fired up as it was tied 10-10.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | October 17, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Note to the Talent Evaluator: My wife didn't appreciate the "PE" comment but when you draft a position(WR) to help and two players out of a major conference(BIG TEN,BIG 12) they should be doing something other than spending their paycheck(Kelly)and drawing penalties(Thomas) i understand its six games but they should be contributing.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 17, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Too bad we didn't have more injuries so that the first five picks could get on the field more. Just think what they could have produced if Cooley, Kendall, Moss, Rogers and Randle El had all been out for five weeks.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 17, 2008 5:54 PM
_____________________________________________

That was hilarious TE!
Nice sarcasm.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | October 17, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Hey Ray,
Some of the old timers may remember me saying this, but I was at that SB game, having been dragged there by Fin-loving relatives. Of course I was a little salty that it wasn't the Cowboys, but I really wanted to see the Skins destroy the Miami.

Were you there? If not, sorry it was me and not you. Great time.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 17, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I agree it's premature to judge the draft class, but apparently Rev Moon's alternative paper has already made a similar judgment on them.

According to the alternative paper, the Skins Draft class in the dumps.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 17, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Best call of that super bowl...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8cexwNdeyQ

Posted by: GintheAtl | October 17, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

A quote from Braylon Edwards posted on Cooley's blog:

“We didn’t deserve it, but the Titans in the playoffs?” he said. “Tampa Bay? The Redskins! You can’t tell me we couldn’t beat the damn Redskins.”

Boy, if that isn't crying out for Dirty 30 to blow him up on Sunday, I don't know what is...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 17, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Anyone like you or Jasno who's willing to evaluate a draft after six games is guilty of premature ejaculation.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 17, 2008 6:28 PM

While I agree it's WAY too early to grade this draft, I still have to throw a flag for unnecessary roughness for this one, T_E. Question a man's football knowledge, but never call him out on his sex life!

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 17, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Was not present, Smack!
I was a sophomore in college...

With something like 1:45 left in the half, it was 10-10 following the masterful drive by Joey T and the three hugely successful "unusual" plays Gibbs had put in for the game.

And wouldn't you know it?
The Special Teams stunk it up and permitted Fulton Walker [former Mountaineer] to return the first KO for a touchdown in SB history! 98 or 99 yards I recall. Suddenly all that momentum from the tremendous 80 yard drive was GONE in one Kick off! Skins were now down 17-10!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | October 17, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Hey GintheAtl,
Yes, I've probably watched that play on You Tube some 30 times!

I don't think it was the call per say...
What was unusual was how everyone on the left side got their man on their block.
This left Riggo w/ CB Don McNeal; he ran through him, and was off to the races!

Did you ever notice FB Otis Wonsley on that play? Herculean Effort! Great block leaving Riggo on the mismatch w/ the much smaller CB.

HTTR!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | October 17, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Ray, I'm probably not alone in this, but I'm VERY MUCH enjoying your reminiscences of that glorious game, Gibbs' genius, those great Redskins making those great plays...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 18, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Let's win this one to avenge 1964!

http://was.scout.com/2/801843.html

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 18, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 18, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Yes Ray you are correct the play "call" wasn't genius. Anyone watching knew on fourth and one the ball was going to Riggins. I was 13 watching at my Uncles house with my cousin of the same age who was (is) a Cowboys fan and hated the Redskins. As Riggins scored I got as close to him as I could and did the truck driver pulling his horn motion paired with a mighty "WHAAA WHAAAA!". After he hit me the first time our parents separated us....aaah HTTR!

Posted by: GintheAtl | October 18, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

- 980 TCCLs - The draft class

...as the season churns on and injuries mount, the kids will have to chip in on the odd play here or there.

By Jason La Canfora

After 6 games you really can't judge them. It's good to see Ravens rookies at the top of the league. This is the type of childish bs that I am tired of.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 18, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

- 980 TCCLs - The draft class

...as the season churns on and injuries mount, the kids will have to chip in on the odd play here or there.

By Jason La Canfora

After 6 games you really can't jude the rookies. I guess your team the Ravens rookies are putting up monster numbers. This is the type of childish bs I am tired of.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 18, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Rinehart's a guard. So you think he's a bust because he isn't ready to start at tackle? ... Rinehart was the third round pick.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 17, 2008 9:21 PM

In college and at the Combine (or maybe he wasn't at the Combine, maybe it was the North-South game or some such), Rinehart was a tackle. In the preseason, Rinehart was on the depth chart as a tackle ... behind Samuels. Also in the preseason, Rinehart screwed up so badly in pass protection that he nearly got The Todd killed with a hit from behind ... as he (Rinehart) was standing up watching it.

Since then, Rinehart has been moved to guard.

Posted by: dcsween | October 18, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Rinehart has been moved to guard.

Posted by: dcsween | October 18, 2008 9:43 AM |

Isn't that what I said? Rinehart's a guard. He's just like Derrick Dockery who was a tackle in college and plays guard in the pros. Does that make him a bust?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 18, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe so many of you fall for JlC bs. Did you not learn anything from JC and Rogers? Did you not learn anything from the people that called Bush a bust? Or from the last couple of years and JLC (look at last year blog of JLC statements on CP)statments on CP? Give the kids time.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 18, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Jason, you lazy toad, do some research instead of just blowing hate. How many rookies do you think a typical NFL team has? I just looked at the rosters of eight teams, and most of them had 9-12 rookies on the roster. Baltimore and Denver both have 12 rookies.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 17, 2008 10:24 PM

Research means finishing up on the play.

Ravens have gotten a starter and a start out of their first two picks (Flacco and Rice). Denver has gotten starters out of their first two picks (Clady and Royal), as well as a start out of a seventh round pick (Hillis).

Compare Skins ... start, then starter, out of seventh round ... starter, then cut out of sixth round (Brooks).

Posted by: dcsween | October 18, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Ravens have gotten a starter and a start out of their first two picks (Flacco and Rice). Denver has gotten starters out of their first two picks (Clady and Royal), as well as a start out of a seventh round pick (Hillis).

Compare Skins ... start, then starter, out of seventh round ... starter, then cut out of sixth round (Brooks).

Posted by: dcsween | October 18, 2008 10:09 AM |

Research means learning the meaning of facts.

Bad teams always get starters out of their picks, especially first round picks. Playoff teams, returning all their starters, don't need to get starters out of their picks.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 18, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

dcsween are you saying that Moss and ARE should be replace by rookies? Are you saying Samuels should be replace by a rookie? Please tell me you are not that far gone. I believe Ravens drafted a LB. I guess he should start over Ray Lewis in your book.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 18, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

JM220--

Nah, sween doesn't believe any of that stuff. He just likes to argue the opposite.

If I say he's "Skippy," then he claims to be "Jif." And if I say he's "Jif," then he claims to be "Peter Pan." That's how he rolls.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 18, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I'm saying that it would be good if one of the three pass catchers could be the #3 compliment to Moss ... though don't get me wrong, I love Thrash.

I'm saying that if Kendall or Thomas gets hurt and can't play, I'm nervous.

I'm saying I thought we could use a first flight defensive end or defensive tackle in anticipation of the need to replace Daniels (which turned out to be true) or Griffin.

Posted by: dcsween | October 18, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Also, I am now, always have been, and always will be brand loyal to Jif.

Posted by: dcsween | October 18, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I'm saying I thought we could use a first flight defensive end or defensive tackle

I agree with you on that one. I believe if Kelly wasn't injured he would be the 3rd WR right now. From all accounts the kid was looking good in camp.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 18, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Josh Cribbs wants to make the Skins pay for not drafting him:

http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/122431881861480.xml&coll=2

Posted by: craig2 | October 18, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Research means finishing up on the play.

Ravens have gotten a starter and a start out of their first two picks (Flacco and Rice). Denver has gotten starters out of their first two picks (Clady and Royal), as well as a start out of a seventh round pick (Hillis).

Compare Skins ... start, then starter, out of seventh round ... starter, then cut out of sixth round (Brooks).

Posted by: dcsween | October 18, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse


Spare me. The only reason Flacco and Rice start(ed) is because of injuries. They had no choice.

Posted by: Rusty6392 | October 18, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I guess Elfin is a H8TR too......

As usual the answers lie firmly in the grey area here. While unfair and shortsigted to call any of these players busts, save brooks, it is not beyond the pail to be looking at the lack of contribution of the class, and acknowledging that even in a best case scenario the current squad is experiencing some intense growing pains with the Rook class, especially considering that the team is pretty darn competitive so we need every swinging soul.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 18, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Also Vinny is under a microscope. He has been a polarizing figure in the national media, local media, fan base and even within the Skins organization (fired/rehired/reason we fired Marty/dubious relationships with Spurrier and Gibbs...). So now that he is clearly and explicitly in control after years murkier arraingements he is going to be view through a critical lens.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 18, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

craig2--

That's a funny story about Josh Cribbs, the rocket scientist turned athlete:

Cribbs said he met with then-Redskins coach Joe Gibbs and members of the offensive staff before the 2005 draft.
... "Hopefully by the end of the day they'll be scratching their heads and saying 'Dang! Why didn't we get that guy?'"

So, Cribbs has a grudge against Joe Gibbs for not drafting him? I think if he wants to stick it to Joe, he needs to learn to drive in NASCAR, not return punts against Jim Zorn.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 18, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Also Vinny is under a microscope.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 18, 2008 11:13 AM |

Do you think? So far, guy's looking pretty good, isn't he? He's got the Zorn hire working for him. That probably bought him two or three years regardless of whether Malcolm Kelly ever catches another pass.

But, I guess we can't really draw firm conclusions on a GM after six games. We can only judge our rookies after six games.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 18, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

past years it's been joe gibbs "fault", steve spurrier's "fault", marty's "fault"...or even danny's "fault". but this year the blame has to go to vinny.

to me i didn't mind the kelly or the thomas picks and never will. i'm hoping they will contribute more than the guy from florida did as a second rounder. BUT i HIGHLY object to the fred davis pick. WTF was that???? a wasted pick. and if someone says "what if cooley goes down..." then to that i say what if skins 1 goes down?

anyways...when snyder says vinny deserves the credit and criticism...i think he means it. because this team has been winning in spite of vinny not because of him. they will lose because of him because it clearly looks like the only thing that can derail this team is the injuries to the starters and it's vinny's job to get depth thru the draft.

Posted by: dealer1 | October 18, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

TE I didnt pass judgement just stated how it will go down. To me you can make a valid arguement pro or con...only wins and championships will tell the real story.

But if you don't think the pressure/scrutiny is on Vinny, as he wants it probably, well then you are just spouting hollow defenses.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 18, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Also for those calling for "patience" while I see the truth in that, in today's media environment and NFL culture, you are spitting in the wind.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 18, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

cl--

I agree with you all the way on this one. I can't even muster a plausible counterargument for the sake of counterarguing. Maybe sween can.

I suppose there will always be a blurred line between what Dan Snyder does and what Vinnie does, but most people just see them as a two-headed monster so it doesn't really matter.

And, I'm glad to see Vinny out there on his own so we can know for sure what the guy's got.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 18, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

D you got to give Vinny credit for Zorn. He is the one that push for him to be HC and you havc to give him credit for that. If you going to blast him you got to be fair and give him credit as well.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 18, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Alright I am out to get my cardio in. Tomorrow will be a win.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 18, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

JM, who is blasting him? Just stating how the high stakes world of the NFL works. You seriously need a refresher course on what is nuanced, critical analysis and thought....and what is knee jerk reactionary hogwash.....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 18, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Also for those calling for "patience" while I see the truth in that, in today's media environment and NFL culture, you are spitting in the wind.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 18, 2008 11:47 AM |

But this contrarian approach -- patience in the face of win-now -- is part of what made Warren Buffett the richest guy in the world: "Be fearful when others are greeds; be greedy when others are fearful."

I'm taking away my kids' allowances and lunch money and putting it into the stock market starting Monday. They'll thank me when others are greedy.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 18, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

TE, patience is good, especially in those making the decisions. My point is that the 24 hour news cycle/intense interest/reams of copy needed on the NFL is not going to be an environment that patience in anyalsis is valued.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 18, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: craig2 | October 18, 2008 10:50 AM

Thanks for the link craig2. Sounds (reads?) to me like the Redskins did Cribbs a favor because by not drafting him he has been motivated to be the player he is. If the Redskins would have drafted him, he may not have made the team, not having anything to prove to anyone.

He should come to DC with a big thank you to the Redskins, not a chip on his shoulder.

Posted by: Skins930 | October 18, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Spare me. The only reason Flacco and Rice start(ed) is because of injuries. They had no choice.

Posted by: Rusty6392 | October 18, 2008 11:00 AM

You are spared ... but Kelly ISN'T starting because of injuries too. Can't quite figure out why Davis isn't starting ... oh yeah, we already have two good TEs. I recall that Thomas had a hammy issue during camp (but maybe that had to do with conditioning).

I'm not anti-this draft class and I want them to succeed as much as the next guy. I was just piping up to respond to the hyperbole by t_e_.

Posted by: dcsween | October 18, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Nice article on Sellers on ESPN.


The Redskins were trailing the Saints, 17-9, in Week 2 when they faced a second-and-goal at the 9-yard line. On a sweep to the left side, Sellers destroyed defensive end Will Smith and then he took out safety Kevin Kaesviharn to escort Portis into the end zone. As Portis said recently, "Mike Sellers has linebackers running from him."

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfceast/0-4-130/It-s-a-Sellers-market-for-the-Redskins.html

Posted by: Skins930 | October 18, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

but Kelly ISN'T starting because of injuries too.

Posted by: dcsween | October 18, 2008 12:19 PM |

Now there you go again, sween. Kelly isn't starting because he's behind Santana Moss and Randle El. Only way he starts is if both of them are injured.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 18, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Don't confuse starting with playing. Of course he shouldn't supplant Moss and ARE, but they should have a few sets for him, be getting him in situationally at least.

But they can't because he is apparently a flabby, fragile dunce. Although six weeks is too early to judge.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 18, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Now there you go again, sween. Kelly isn't starting because he's behind Santana Moss and Randle El. Only way he starts is if both of them are injured.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 18, 2008 12:44 PM

I consider James Thrash the "starting" #3 WR. The only way Kelly plays is if he (Kelly) isn't injured.

Posted by: dcsween | October 18, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

If you missed this Fantasy Football article on PLAYERSVOICE.COM

Here is the link...

http://www.playersvoice.com/nfl/has-fantasy-football-corrupted-my-life.html

Posted by: dboog | October 18, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I consider James Thrash the "starting" #3 WR. The only way Kelly plays is if he (Kelly) isn't injured.

Posted by: dcsween | October 18, 2008 1:25 PM |

Oh, come on, sween, you've wandered off the rhetorical reservation now. If Thrash is the "starting" #3 WR, then Kelly is the "starting" #5 WR. And isn't it a tautology to write that the only way that Kelly -- or anyone else -- plays is if he's not injured?

Didn't Jasno say yesterday that Kelly had a good week of practice, is healthy, but is not likely to be active tomorrow because they need bodies in the defensive backfield?

Anyway, Kelly has been a big disappointment to everyone. If anyone had thought his career would begin like this, then he wouldn't have been a second round pick. They would have picked Tryon in the second round, Kelly in the fourth.

If only Vinnie has SMACK's keen insight to recognize Kelly as "a flabby, fragile dunce." We don't want no FFD's on our team.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 18, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

980 TCCLs - The draft class

"The first five picks have provided absolutely nothing."
++++++

Not true. Devin Thomas has provided several penalties.


Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Ok folks, so here's the game plan IMO.

We have Rogers follow Braylon anywhere on the field, and roll LL to help.

I envision us bottling up Jamal Lewis without needing 8 in the box.

Redskins will win comfortably, but not in a blowout. This is assuming:

1)Soup doesn't pull an Eli.
2)We are at least tied in the turnover ratio department.
3)Winslow doesn't play as he recovers from an undisclosed bout of irritable bowel syndrome - otherwise we may have problems in the secondary.

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Flabby, fragile dunces of the world unite!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 18, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

4) The new punter is better than the old punter.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 18, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

3)Winslow doesn't play as he recovers from an undisclosed bout of irritable bowel syndrome - otherwise we may have problems in the secondary.

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2008 2:17 PM |

This isn't happening. Winslow practiced yesterday. Also, it's "The Chosen One", not Cribbs who has a draft-grudge against the 'Skins. He believes we should have chosen him instead of Sean Taylor coming out of Miami.

I think Snyder should make it up to him by sending him a new motorcycle. Only this one should have training wheels on it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 18, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Any new punter has to be better than the old punter - weren't we ranked 31 or 32 in net punting average?

If Winslow is playing, then that makes the secondary alot trickier. None of our LBs can run with him and I doubt Horton can either.

So we drop an extra guy into coverage and count on Jamal Lewis not going for 295 yards. Donte Stallworth will promise alot and deliver little. Throw in a DA pickle here and there, and I still see a 10-14 point victory for the Skins.

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

So Fulton Walker had put the 'Phins up 17-10.
Miami led in SB XVII because of the 76 yard blown coverage to Jimmy Cefalo [S Tony Peters] and the 98 yard KO return by Walker.

On the ensuing KO Mike Nelms determined with less than 2:00 remaining and now down as a result of the Walker KO return, he would do the spectacular as well. However the Kick off went about 5 yards deep I think, Nelms tried to make the big return, didn't even make it to the 20. What made it worse was an illegal block and the Skins were penalized beginning the drive inside the ten!

So Gibbs called for a Riggo run and when it was stopped for short yardage, the Phins called time out to get the ball back at midfield.

Again on second down: another Riggo run, another 'Phin timeout so it was 3rd down and now Gibbs 1.0 knew he had to try to get the first down through the air or the Phins could go up 2 scores!

Gibbs 1.0 called for a Theismann run around right end. "First down, Washington Redskins" Frank Herzog.
Then Gibbs says lets pull a surprise. He had Nick Giaquinto go long down the middle and the 'Phin safety committed pass interference giving the Skins a first down inside the 50 w/ about 30 seconds!

Then Theismann rolled to the right, no one was open, then suddenly he saw an opening, made a great pass to Charlie Brown who made a defender miss and went down the sideline all the way to the 17. However he did not get out of bounds even when he had opportunity and thus Joey T called for the last 'Skins TO w/ 14 seconds remaining.

Joey T rolled out to the left and why I don't know, but he completed a pass to the 7 to Alvin Garrett who was promptly tackled in bounds. The Skins frantically ran up to the line of scrimmage while the officials were spotting the ball, and time ran out of the half!

After the Walker KO return, we had driven from the Skins 7 to the Phins 7, the time had run out and we had gotten nothing. Mosley did not even get opportunity to make it 17-13 at the half! We went in feeling horribly. For just a few minutes ago we had driven 80 yards to tie it at 10-10, and now we came up empty handed after such a hurry up effort!

Halftime Dolphins 17- Skins 10.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | October 18, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

+++Cork,

Like I said before, if you're ready to evaluate the draft class after six games you've got premature evalujaculation.+++--TALENT EVALUATOR

If these guys were all drafted for the future--why sign Jason Taylor and give up a 2nd and a 6th for him? Wouldn't it be consistent with that philosophy to plug in Evans and develop Wilson for the future?

Seems to me SOMEONE thought the skins would win THIS year. Lo and Behold they have--no thanks to the first five picks in the draft class OR Taylor to date..

After five preseason games and six pro games--that's 11 total, the equivalent to a college season--here's where the top five picks stand:

THOMAS: Ready to catch more than one pass a game? Still plays behind 14 year ST vet.

KELLY: Oy.

DAVIS: Owns worlds largest alarm clock collection.

RINEHART: Could someday be the real deal. working on catching deflected passes and NOT fumbling them.

J.T. TRYON: Biggest bust this side of a porno audition. (We kid because we love)--CORK

+++If "Davis had close to Cooley's skills"? Right, he'd be in the pro bowl. As a rookie.+++--TE

Okay close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. So, try this. If he was better than Yoder he'd be in the two TE offense. He is NOT. Yoder is a solid pro but is no threat to be a probowler.

++Rinehart's a guard. So you think he's a bust because he isn't ready to start at tackle?++--TE

No, Rinehart was MOVED inside by the coaches. he was a tackle in college. And I did NOT call him a bust.

+++And where do you come up with this: "If you're saying Tryon wasn't drafted in the third round with the idea of getting PT as a nickle or dime, then he was an utterly wasted pick this high."+++ --TE

Let me rephrase that. Tryon was drafted too high not only for a third rounder, but a fourth, and for that matter, seventh--so far. To date he looks like the second coming of Rashard Bauman.

The 'skins drafted three large receievers, tried out three more (Mix, Gant and McMullen) and NONE of them have contributed to date.

That's SIX guys Vinny brought in who haven't beaten out James Thrash--who I love on ST and as a locker room guy. But he should NOT have to be the third WR.

Had any of the six performed up to snuff, the skins might be 5-1 now, and people wouldn't be complaining about the Draft Class and it's impact to date in 2008.

Are us glass half empty whiners crazy to wonder why the SIX BIG RECEIVERS the FO brought in to compliment the skins lil guys are either gone or haven't contibuted after 11 games?

And now the skins are thin THIS YEAR at positions where they didn't draft effectively, or at all. LBs and run stuffing DEs and CBs and OTs.

A couple more key injuries at critical positions and yup, all those draftees will be for the future...

And I enjoy these exchanges... Hey, it's ONLY fubball...


Posted by: TheCork | October 18, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

+++Like I said before, if you're ready to evaluate the draft class after six games you've got premature evalujaculation.+++--TALENT EVALUATOR

While we're turning phrases, let's just say I think those here on RI who always bite into the FO’s decisions practice Mutual Mastication.

Posted by: TheCork | October 18, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

4) The new punter is better than the old punter.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 18, 2008 2:27 PM

I still don't blame Sunday's loss on the punting. Turnovers killed the Skins, not poor punting (although it didn't help). If Kendall isn't trying to record his first fantasy stat, the Skins win that game easily.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 18, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Not blaming it all on the punter, brownie, I was just adding to p1funk's list of assumptions for tomorrow's game...

Agreed that turnovers should be key. If any of the dudes we added this week plays a critical role, that won't be a particularly good sign about our team...

Hail to 'em anyway!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 18, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

And kudos to Maryland, certainly a candidate for Jekyll and Hyde team of the year, for beating Wake.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 18, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

While we're turning phrases...

Posted by: TheCork | October 18, 2008 3:58 PM

When it comes to well turned phrases, Cork, you're third only to dcsween and Skippy (who are probably the same guy). Even your third round phrases are better than most guys' first round phrases.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 18, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Terps?
Man, talk about two different teams!!!

I was excited after they came back to defeat Clemson at Clemson.
Then they not only lost to VA, but they were humiliated, not even scoring!!

Then today, I'm thinking they will lose to WF today. And what a pleasant surprise.
I think they are now 5-2.

Two horrible losses yes, but another good win today.
Fear the Turtle!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | October 18, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

For an old fuddy duddy, you have some good zingers!

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 17, 2008 9:05 PM |

+++4th, you should know better than this. We are not "fuddy duddies." We like to be known as "senior citizens." As in "May I please have the senior citizen discount?" Works everywhere. Fuddy duddy discount works nowhere.

Posted by: talent_evaluator++++

Right on, Bro.

Call me a Curmudgeon...

I also like the British term "Old Git"

Posted by: TheCork | October 18, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I know it's been drummed home but I need to get it off my chest too - that is absurd to essentially say the draft class is a collective bust after 6 games.

And the nonsensical comment about JC not being the real deal by some drunkard above - I want what he's drinking/smoking. I often would like to be able to elude reality without repurcussion.

Is Springs playing, anyone know? Buller? Frye?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 18, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Josh Cribbs wants to make the Skins pay for not drafting him:

http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/122431881861480.xml&coll=2

Posted by: craig2 | October 18, 2008 10:50 AM

But no one drafted him and the Redskins wanted to sign him. But he CHOSE the Browns.....

I'm glad to see another DC youth represented in the NFL. It's quite a few now from the whole DMV.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 18, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

+++Research means learning the meaning of facts.


Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 18, 2008 10:13 AM++

While we're preaching...

Repeating facts to try to prove a point is regurgitation.

Interpreting research with intelligence is analysis.

Lessee you called a working reporter a "lazy toad" for disagreeing with you. What epithet do you have handy for the Moony reporter who came to the same analytical conclusion as Jason, me and many others about the Redskins draft class's contribution to the 'skins rn for the playoffs THIS YEAR?

Posted by: TheCork | October 18, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

I know it's been drummed home but I need to get it off my chest too - that is absurd to essentially say the draft class is a collective bust after 6 games.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 18, 2008 5:17 PM

Six games? You're late to the party. Jasno came to this conclusion the second day of the draft. Then he drove a stake through the heart of the draft class on cutdown day. The stake? It was an assurance from the just-cut Frost that Vinny didn't know what he was doing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 18, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Lessee you called a working reporter a "lazy toad" for disagreeing with you.

Posted by: TheCork | October 18, 2008 5:31 PM

No, Cork, that's not it at all. Many industrious toads disagree with me. He's a lazy toad for not putting his number "20% of the roster" -- which has become his mantra when discussing the draft -- into context. From what I can tell, 10 rookies on the roster is about the norm in the NFL.

My epithet for you and the others was "premature ejaculators." It's like drinking grape juice and declaring it an inferior wine. Yeah, it may turn out to be an inferior wine, but you can't know before it's matured.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 18, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Matured grape juice does not produce an inferior wine; it makes free vinegar.

Posted by: dcsween | October 18, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Not to circle back or anything, but good vinegar is key to a good BBQ sauce.

Posted by: dcsween | October 18, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Matured grape juice does not produce an inferior wine; it makes free vinegar.

Posted by: dcsween | October 18, 2008 6:21 PM |

sween, If you pay a little more you can buy wine instead of vinegar. Try Calvert-Woodley and ask for Pepe. He'll take care of you.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 18, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

PostGameHeroes Defensive breakdown from last week's game:

http://www.postgameheroes.com/?p=4048

Posted by: Im_JustMe | October 18, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Lessee you called a working reporter a "lazy toad" for disagreeing with you. What epithet do you have handy for the Moony reporter who came to the same analytical conclusion as Jason, me and many others about the Redskins draft class's contribution to the 'skins rn for the playoffs THIS YEAR?


Posted by: TheCork | October 18, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse
_________________

Epithet: pack journalism

Posted by: Xlnt | October 18, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Hello?!?

This thing working?

Posted by: Skins930 | October 18, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Hello?!?

This thing working?

Posted by: Skins930 | October 18, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Hello?!?

This thing working?

Posted by: Skins930 | October 18, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

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