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Teammates to Campbell: Ignore the Critics

While Friday's game will pit the Patriots vs. Redskins, the days leading up to the game have felt like Jason Campbell vs. criticism.

While it's tough to say whether any of it has actually gotten to Campbell -- as if you needed reminding, this is only the preseason -- that hasn't stopped us from asking questions ad nauseam about said criticism. His teammates' advice is pretty simple: ignore it.

Wide receiver Santana Moss says Campbell can't take the field worrying that he must silence his critics.

"It's not about silencing; it's about handling this team," Moss said. "If he's playing just to shut somebody up, then he's playing for the wrong reason.

"If he was smart -- and I'm pretty sure he is -- he wouldn't even listen to it. They can't throw the ball for Jason. They can't catch the ball for Jason. All they can do is say what he needs to do more of. Half of them can't do what he does or haven't done what he does. I just feel like you have to take it like, 'They're doing their job, so let me do my job.'"


Most players on the Redskins' offense have taken some criticism of their own at one point or another. But from both fans and critics, it's already apparent that Campbell won't be given much rope this season. Through two games, Campbell's 4-of-13 passing for 48 yards. He's yet to lead the first-team offense into the end zone, and if he doesn't Friday night, you fear the blogosphere might explode and talk radio stations might need to install some more phone lines.

"Jason has got to realize he's going to take criticism no matter what," running back Clinton Portis said. "Some people wanted him gone; some people are happy he's here. Jason just has to go out and do what he can. He's got to keep a level head and not get too high, not get too low. He's still got to lead this team at quarterback. You got guys who are busting their butt to keep him here."

Portis says the offense can do its part to make Campbell look better. He says the offense has all the right "tools to get rolling. Now it's on us to go out there and get it going."

"Me and Jason can help each other tremendously. If I'm doing good, of course they're going to stack the box and that's going to open up passing lanes," Portis said. "If he's slinging the ball around and completing the ball, they've got to get out of the box and that's going to open up running lanes. I think as a team, we complement each other."

Says Moss: "I think we can be a security blanket for Jason. I don't think he really needs to worry about what everyone else is worrying about. He's just got to do what he do. He's the quarterback of an offense that has a bunch of weapons. Just give it your weapons and your job should be easy."

By Rick Maese  |  August 27, 2009; 12:11 PM ET
 
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Comments

First.

Posted by: RedCherokee | August 27, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

If Jason plays BOLDLY , aka takes more risks, he'll be the Campbell's Soup dream quarterback, with a hefty endorsement check..For his Mom, too..

Posted by: frak | August 27, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Well said, frak.

Posted by: RedCherokee | August 27, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Tyler Thigpen is better than any qb the skins currently have, he is available if Vinny is willing to deal.

Posted by: coparker5 | August 27, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Fridge gave birth to an 11-year old kid, who immediately ran off to Six Flags (where he's avoiding that weird old pervert with the bow tie and glasses- a worser mascot hath never been hatched)..

Posted by: frak | August 27, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

So is Josh Johnson, though he is still raw, he's better than Colt and Chase....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 27, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

i would trade collins for thigpen...but if we're going to trade, id rather trade anthony montgomery for an o-lineman

Posted by: brian58 | August 27, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Yo, coparker5:

Tyler Thigpen: 54.5% accuracy, 6.2 yards per attempt, 18 TDs, 13 INTs, 74.7 QB rating over his career.

Jason Campbell: 59.7% accuracy, 6.4 yards per attempt, 35 TDs, 23 INTs, 80.4 QB rating over his career.

The lesson, as always: there's a pretty good reason why you're commenting on a website instead of making football decisions.

Posted by: manalive | August 27, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Yea your right talent evaluator but if you look at the rosters that he was on; there was never a chance because the RB position was to crowded. I think this is the best year for him because we have lack of production from our back-ups and you can measure his talent and his heart every time he steps on the field. He runs hard against teams starters and their back ups.

Posted by: Tom_square | August 27, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse
I like the way Mason squares up and lowers his head when there isn't a hole. Speaking of a holes, ... well, I'll save that for another time. But I think MMason would be a better backup for CP in goal-line situations.

re-Posted by: frediefritz | August 27, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frediefritz | August 27, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

The fact that we even have to discuss whether it's bothering him or not pretty much tips his hand.

Bottom line, he's not performing effectively yet. He should be worried about that, not the comments his performance may generate.

I think back to that interview when the trade mess is going on where he admitted he was feeling unwanted. Well, who's responsibility is that? If he performs well, he'll be wanted.

Go win some games... discussion quashed.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 27, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Portis said. "If he's slinging the ball around and completing the ball, they've got to get out of the box and that's going to open up running lanes. I think as a team, we complement each other


Thanks for stating the obvious benefits of a good running game and a good passing game CP!!

Posted by: scottmando | August 27, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Jason,Clinton,and all the rest should be listening to US. We essentially own this team, what with our season tickets, redskins attire and whatnot. I want a qb that is a born leader,not one that is fitted into a leadership role. Just put up or shut up already.

Posted by: shanteefamilee | August 27, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

"You got guys who are busting their butt to keep him here." - Clinton Portis

Busting their butts to keep him here? I thought the idea was you bust your butt to WIN. If these guys are thinking they are playing to make Jason Campbell look good, then what do they do when they are playing for the other quarterbacks?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 27, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I watched a few Chiefs games last year…I think that Thigpen is pretty good; can’t understand why he hasn’t been given a shot at starting for the Chiefs. He seemed to spark the offense last year whenever he went in. Not saying we should trade for him, but he seems like a player who could really develop into something.

Also, I just saw on Comcast this morning that Matt Stover is unsigned and waiting for a call…why the Skins haven’t brought him in for competition is beyond me….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 27, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Yo, coparker5:

Tyler Thigpen: 54.5% accuracy, 6.2 yards per attempt, 18 TDs, 13 INTs, 74.7 QB rating over his career.

Jason Campbell: 59.7% accuracy, 6.4 yards per attempt, 35 TDs, 23 INTs, 80.4 QB rating over his career.

The lesson, as always: there's a pretty good reason why you're commenting on a website instead of making football decisions.

Posted by: manalive | August 27, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

I have zero desire to trade for Tyler Thigpen or anyone else in season, we ride or die this year with JC and go from there. That said though, you're putting up career numbers for a guy who has started way more games than Thigpen.

In 14 games last year with 11 starts Thigpen completed 230 of 420 passes for 2608 yards 18 TDs and 12 picks.

JC started all 16 games and was 315 for 506 for 3215 yards 13 TDs and 6 picks. On a better team. So don't act like JC is so far and away a better QB, cause the truth is they both weren't very good.

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 27, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Says Moss: "I think we can be a security blanket for Jason."

??

Not good at all if the players think he needs one.

Posted by: chasgiffen | August 27, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

We don't own the team....

Think of the NFL Like Micky Ds. They only franchise out 32 stores. Everyone has their favorite store they go to where they spend their $$. If you don't like what is going on at the particular store you vist, than you are free to spend your $$ at another one of the 31 stores.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 27, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Says Moss: "I think we can be a security blanket for Jason."

??

Not good at all if the players think he needs one.

Posted by: chasgiffen | August 27, 2009 12:45 PM

Meaning JC can trust them to make the CATCH.

Posted by: RedCherokee | August 27, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Preferrably w/o the thumb in his mouth. (sorry, couldn't resist-lol)

Posted by: RedCherokee | August 27, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see the Redskins make a trade for another young guy with maybe a year or two in the league. Josh Johnson or Tyler Thigpen fall into this category. The thing is, the only QB on the roster who has done anything positive this preseason is Chase Daniel and he's only played one quarter. Based on this lack of production - and despite the love fans have for Campbell and Brennan - I think it owuld be prudent to get another guy into the mix. The reality is the Redskins could enter the regular season with a starting quarterback who is looking very shakey, a backup quarterback who is older than dirt, and one of two project guys that don't look anywhere near ready to start. Add to that the fact that the offensive line is an injury away from being poster children for leaky sieves - especially if Samuels is the injured guy. Throw into the mix that Campbell isn't going to be coming back next year and there really is no heir imminent, and I think it would be a good move to get a junior guy with some experience (and potential).

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 27, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

It's good to see Moss showing confidence in JC though. Hope 17 returns the favor.

Posted by: RedCherokee | August 27, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

If Smokey Stover is available , we need to push Swiss Hammy to the max to see if he's durable for the entire season...The Spasmatics killed us last year..

Posted by: frak | August 27, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Preferrably w/o the thumb in his mouth. (sorry, couldn't resist-lol)

Posted by: RedCherokee
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OK who here can draw JC as Linus?

Posted by: chasgiffen | August 27, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I shouldn't even be commenting on this because of the sheer absurdity of the proposition, but:

"In 14 games last year with 11 starts Thigpen completed 230 of 420 passes for 2608 yards 18 TDs and 12 picks.

JC started all 16 games and was 315 for 506 for 3215 yards 13 TDs and 6 picks. On a better team. So don't act like JC is so far and away a better QB, cause the truth is they both weren't very good."

Yes, those are far and away better numbers. Not even close. In fact, the difference between Jason Campbell and Tyler Thigpen's numbers is the same proportional difference between Jason Campbell's numbers and those listed below:

70% completion, 3500 yards, 20 TDs, and 6 INTs.

So if you think those numbers are far and away better than Campbell's from last season, then Campbell's are far and away better than Thigpen's.

Posted by: psps23 | August 27, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Once again Zeke pulls out the critical piece that everyone else seemed to miss

"With the first-team offense expected to play as much as a full half Friday night, fans should walk away with a decent idea of how the battle between Thomas, Kelly and incumbent, Antwaan Randle El is shaping up thus far. Zorn cautioned last week that he isn't expecting to anoint the No. 2 receiver at the conclusion of the Pats' game. In fact, he might not know who wins the job "until a couple games into the season," he said. "

WRRRRRROOONNNNGGGGGGGG!!!!!!

Zorn's failure to determine the #1, #2, and #3 WRs is hurting his QB. That IS the issue.

Zorn should decide prior to this gam who the #1, #2 and #3 WRs will be and let Campbell work with EXCLUSIVELY with them this game. Clearly Campbell is off to a slow start. One way to address that is to limit the number of guys that are being sent out to the WR spot. Let Campbell get in synch with the guys he will be throwing to in the regular season -- playing the positions they'll be playing and running the patterns that they'll be running during the regular season.

Example, Kelly said the long pass to him in last week's game was a play that they never practiced with him. Its time for that to stop.

Zorn needs to end the jumble at WR now (actually, he needed to end it on Monday) so his QB can develop good chemistry with the 3 guys that will play the most -- not mediocre chemistry with 7.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 27, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Question...

If Campbell goes 7 for 20 with an int and no TD's tomorrow, what happens then?

I mean there is all this talk about playing a half and he should play better, but what if he still sucks?

To be honest if he doesn't go out the and light it up I don't think he deserves to be the starter. MAke Collins the starter

There just has been no talk about what happens if he blows again tomorrow night.

Thoughts?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | August 27, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I shouldn't even be commenting on this because of the sheer absurdity of the proposition, but:

"In 14 games last year with 11 starts Thigpen completed 230 of 420 passes for 2608 yards 18 TDs and 12 picks.

JC started all 16 games and was 315 for 506 for 3215 yards 13 TDs and 6 picks. On a better team. So don't act like JC is so far and away a better QB, cause the truth is they both weren't very good."

Yes, those are far and away better numbers. Not even close. In fact, the difference between Jason Campbell and Tyler Thigpen's numbers is the same proportional difference between Jason Campbell's numbers and those listed below:

70% completion, 3500 yards, 20 TDs, and 6 INTs.

So if you think those numbers are far and away better than Campbell's from last season, then Campbell's are far and away better than Thigpen's.

Posted by: psps23 | August 27, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm not even sure I understood what you were saying here, but let me clarify that I wasn't saying Thigpen was better, and I don't want to trade for him, but JC wasn't anything special either last year, 13 TDs in 16 games is pitiful and a guy with 85 less completions was only 600 yards behind JC and had 5 more TDs. Its all about points and with our D a few more picks is ok if we get more TDs as well. But again, I don't want Thigpen and I don't think he's better, just saying nobody can say that JC was anything more than mediocre last year.

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 27, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | August 27, 2009 1:02 PM

Thigpen wasn't behind the shaky offensive line last season.

Posted by: RedCherokee | August 27, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

"There just has been no talk about what happens if he blows again tomorrow night.

Thoughts?"

What if Collins blows...harder?

Last year's "tune-up" game was a complete disaster. They started 6-2. Preseason folks.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | August 27, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

There just has been no talk about what happens if he blows again tomorrow night.

Thoughts?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | August 27, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

JC will be the starter barring an injury or we are no longer in the playoff hunt and there is pressure from the FO to try out Brennan/Daniels. We ride or die with JC in his final year.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | August 27, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Question...

If Campbell goes 7 for 20 with an int and no TD's tomorrow, what happens then?

I mean there is all this talk about playing a half and he should play better, but what if he still sucks?

To be honest if he doesn't go out the and light it up I don't think he deserves to be the starter. MAke Collins the starter

There just has been no talk about what happens if he blows again tomorrow night.

Thoughts?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | August 27, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't think it matters, JC has been a sacred cow since Gibbs made him the starter, no amount of mediocrity in the preseason will make Zorn turn to Collins. If we come out the gates terribly though and JC plays the way he has the last 3 years then maybe a change happens but IMO unless that happens for better or worse this year JC is the guy.

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 27, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Ive been a big supporter of JC for all these years.. But if the recievers stay healthy this season,... and the offense still bogs down... Ima going to have to believe its his fault...... But i am wishing him the best..

Posted by: cocodc1 | August 27, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

"We ride or die.."

Someone give me a DMX bark

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | August 27, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Tyler Thigpen is better than any qb the skins currently have, he is available if Vinny is willing to deal.

Posted by: coparker5 | August 27, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse


Who did Tyler play agianst? He sucked against any decent defense he ever played. The only teams he looked good against were Denver, Jets, NO, Buffalo, Miami and San Diego. Those were the worst passing D's in the league last year.

JC has played against Pittsburgh and Baltimore's first team defenses. Who else this preaseason has scored a TD on those 2 defenses? No one else has. Kurt Warner only went 6/10 and both his drives ended in punts. Sanchez threw a pick 6 then the Ravens sat Ed Reed and Ray Ray. Lay off JC.

Matt Stover hasn't been called because he can't kickoff very well. He can't tackle and he's old as dirt. He can hit short field goals but that's about it.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | August 27, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Jason played great in the first half of last season. Do his current critics imagine that there was an impostor wearing his jersey during those games? A more likely scenario is that he is actually a pretty good quarterback who is developing positively under difficult circumstances (injury plagued O-line, restless owner and fans, frequently changing offensive systems, limited receiving corps, etc.), and people are just criticizing because they have little else to do.

Would any of Jason's critics be willing to say that they know for sure Jason will not have a better year than both Mark Sanchez and Jay Cutler? If the O-line remains healthy and effective, Portis remains productive, and one of the new receivers steps up, JC will most likely have a fine year.

Talk to any objective, intelligent football observer from outside D.C., and you will realize that everybody else immediately recognizes the problem here, and it isn't quarterback- it's ownership and management- similar to the situation Detroit. Jason Campbell is just this year's scapegoat/distraction.

Posted by: supattapone | August 27, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | August 27, 2009 1:02 PM

Thigpen wasn't behind the shaky offensive line last season.

Posted by: RedCherokee | August 27, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

KC gave up 37 sacks last year and we gave up 38...and they rushed the ball a lot worse than us so not sure how accurate that statement is.

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 27, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Zorn need to help Campbell succeed. When Campbell missed Hagans earlier, the real issue wasn't that Campbell missed him -- it was: why is Hagans on the field with Campbell in the first place?

Among Campbell's limitations is that he takes more time to click with his WRs than most QBs. One way to help Campbell is to limit the combinations of WRs that you send out there. Zorn needs to understand his QB has a problem and solve it.

The issue is that you have a QB with a limitation and a HC that doesn't understand how to address this limitation.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 27, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Eh.

The Skins are going to jump out hot while their offensive line can still creak around on their old knees. About midseason when Thomas and Samuels and Rabach (surprise!) break down, it won't matter what Soup's doing back there.

If I was him, I'd start the season slinging the ball all over the field. You want the other teams to see what you're capable of -- remember, he's auditioning for a job. He should forget Zorn's tired old West Coast Offense -- the NFL evolved past that about 10 years ago. Soup's gotta throw downfield.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | August 27, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

In honor of Ted , I listened to the Dead Kennedy's "FrankenChrist" last night..East Bay Ray's guitar can skyscrape in the vicinity of Hendrix..."A Growing Boy Needs His Lunch", Bon Apetit!!

Posted by: frak | August 27, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

"Do his current critics imagine that there was an impostor wearing his jersey during those games?"

Yes. Most of them actually and fully believe Clinton Portis was the one throwing the ball in that stretch. I've actually seen several posters on this very blog post similar sentiments.

Posted by: psps23 | August 27, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

If Jason plays BOLDLY , aka takes more risks, he'll be the Campbell's Soup dream quarterback, with a hefty endorsement check..For his Mom, too..

Posted by: frak | August 27, 2009 12:18 PM

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Agree frak. Is this a kinder, gentler frak I am witnessing? keep it up dude.

Posted by: peaceful2008 | August 27, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

There just has been no talk about what happens if he blows again tomorrow night.

Thoughts?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | August 27, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

If JC17 blows tomorrow in 2+ quarters of play, I think they really need to think about Collins. If they run more 4 wide sets, He WILL find an open guy. JC doesn't always find that guy. I have a feeling its gonna be a long night.

Posted by: FedorEm | August 27, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I like Campbell and believe him to be a decent game manager. But, I don't see him as a potential franchise quarterback in the least anymore. He is missing something whether it be more accuracy, quicker release and decision making, and certain leadership skills. That being said, he has been subject to a putrid offensive line his whole career here. Not sure Tom Brady would thrive with our below average line. Someone forgot to tell Snyderrato that it helps to have a good offensive line when trying to build a franchise QB. Especially one that is borderline like Campbell. At this rate, Thomas, Samuels et all will be starting into their 40's.

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 27, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

KC gave up 37 sacks last year and we gave up 38...and they rushed the ball a lot worse than us so not sure how accurate that statement is.

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 27, 2009 1:21 PM

Granted both teams' OL wasn't good. It's 26 sacks, not 37 that Thigpen had compared to Campbell's 38.

http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=THI677677

Posted by: RedCherokee | August 27, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

ape-tit??..

Posted by: frak | August 27, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Jason,Clinton,and all the rest should be listening to US. We essentially own this team, what with our season tickets, redskins attire and whatnot. I want a qb that is a born leader,not one that is fitted into a leadership role. Just put up or shut up already.

Posted by: shanteefamilee | August 27, 2009 12:37 PM
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With argument, Shantee, you also need to be commanding our Air Force, Navy, Army and the Marines, since you contribute, like $1200 yearly in taxes!!

Leave football decisions to the professionals. As it is, it seems like Vinne and Danny act too much like fans, and not enough like managers.

Posted by: peaceful2008 | August 27, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Wait a minute? Portis wasn't the quarterback in the first half of the season last year?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 27, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

The problem is Jason Campbell just will not get it done this season. Some people are born to be quarterbacks. He unfortunately was not. Out of all the QB"S drafted this decade, season 3 & 4 have been stepping stones for their careers. Jason has not even come close. Look, Flacco, and Matt Ryan are already more adept to playing in the NFL then Campbell. Enough of the excuses about the O-line and the receivers. If you are 6'5, you should not have any balls being batted down at the line of scrimmage, you should be able to spot your receviers. That fact that he has not progressed is extremely worrisome for this season. With him as our QB, the Skins will not make the playoffs guaranteed.

Posted by: RedskinAddict | August 27, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1 - you are exactly right on the 1st 2nd 3rd WR thing.

Zorn needs to coach to win! Plain and simple. As opposed to being fixated on his system he needs to put his players in position to WIN!!! they need to drill repettion after repetition. The redskins and JC have never had a possession WR. The lone time JC really looked good and he was getting it was the stretch before he got hurt and he had Keenan McCardell running great routes and making catches. I truly think the Redskins WR are OVER HYPED. Moss is fast but he is about the size of a gnat. he can't go over the middle. Randle El is the same size but slow.

Posted by: oknow1 | August 27, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

KC gave up 37 sacks last year and we gave up 38...and they rushed the ball a lot worse than us so not sure how accurate that statement is.

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 27, 2009 1:21 PM

Granted both teams' OL wasn't good. It's 26 sacks, not 37 that Thigpen had compared to Campbell's 38.

http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=THI677677

Posted by: RedCherokee | August 27, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

For the season it was 37 sacks total for KC and 38 for us. Only 26 of those 37 sacks happened to Thigpen but he only started 11 games.

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 27, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I remember a play in the first series against B more this preseason. 3 and something, Campbell steps has time, steps up and has a wide open guy on the left side about 15-20 yards deep. Where did the ball go? Over his head and out of bounds. He had time people. Just choked.

Posted by: FedorEm | August 27, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

One time in SF I saw East Bay Ray kill it with this surf rock group called Jumbo Shrimp... that may have been a one-off show, never heard of 'em since. What a terrific guitar player.

I want the Skins to win more than they lose this season, and I want Jason Campbell to look good in the process. I think those are realistic goals.

Among the other permutations I would NOT want to see: team fails + Campbell looks bad, team fails + Campbell looks good.

It would be bittersweet for me if the team succeeds in spite of Campbell. I realize that last scenario is unlikely, but the Bears went to the Super Bowl a few years ago and they didn't even have a quarterback on the roster.

Ultimately, I want the Redskins to enter the 2010 season with Jason Campbell at QB. Because that would mean the Skins had a successful 2009 season and Soup had a successful 2009 season.

I am rebuilding-averse...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | August 27, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

yeh, Fedor - he's been all over on anything past 10 yards.

Here's hoping he pulls himself together before the playoffs are out of reach.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 27, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

"he's the quarterback of a team that has a bunch of weapons"

really, because I thought he was the redskins quarteback Moss

Posted by: Skins281 | August 27, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Question...

If Campbell goes 7 for 20 with an int and no TD's tomorrow, what happens then?

I mean there is all this talk about playing a half and he should play better, but what if he still sucks?

To be honest if he doesn't go out the and light it up I don't think he deserves to be the starter. MAke Collins the starter

There just has been no talk about what happens if he blows again tomorrow night.

Thoughts?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | August 27, 2009 1:10 PM


WE already have been through this.....

2005....Patrick Ramsey is our Starting QB....Until 2nd QTR of the 1st Game....Enter Mark Brunell

Championship! (If CR22 had caught that Pick 6 @ Seattle)

If JC17 fails, they will say he has an injury and ToddBall will be in full effect...

Championship!

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 27, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"We ride or die.."

Someone give me a DMX bark

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who

Where my Dawgs AT? WE RIGHT HERE DAWG!!

ROOF!! ROOF!!

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 27, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Let’s be realistic. I’m not sure if any true redskins fan would want JC to fail. If he fails the season is going to be a disaster. If he succeeds the redskins would not be the best team for him on a going forward basis. There has simply be too much negativity for the relationship between the team, its fans, and JC to end positively. It is better for everyone to just go their separate ways once JC becomes a free agent.

What this team needs is a franchise QB and not 7 round picks like Chase and Colt. There was a reason those guys were not picked much higher than they were in the draft. And for those who would point to Tom Brady as a 7th round pick that became a franchise QB, I say that is 1 in a 100K chance. Look at it logically, ever since the modern era, how many 7th round draft picks at the QB position ever made it as franchise QBs? I willing to bet less than 1% of the QBs picked at the 7th round made it. Actually maybe 1 made it. So enough of the Chase and Colt nonsense, they are both not starting caliber QB much less franchise QB.

I say lets ride it to the end of the season and hope that we lad a franchise QB in the draft next year. Next year would have at least 3 franchise QBs coming out. So just be patient and support JC until Colt McCoy, Sam Bradford, or any other potential franchise QB is picked to wear the burgundy and gold. Vinny & Danny, whatever you do, PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM TIM TEBOW. The kid has bust written all over him.

Posted by: Ejayraptor | August 27, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Example, Kelly said the long pass to him in last week's game was a play that they never practiced with him. Its time for that to stop.

Zorn needs to end the jumble at WR now (actually, he needed to end it on Monday) so his QB can develop good chemistry with the 3 guys that will play the most -- not mediocre chemistry with 7.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 27, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I agree Z. I heard Campbell said that he didnt know kelly was that fast. ARE YOU FREAKING SERIOUS??? How does the starting QB not know how fast his receiver is after 2 camps and 1 season behind them. WTF?

Posted by: scottmando | August 27, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

For the season it was 37 sacks total for KC and 38 for us. Only 26 of those 37 sacks happened to Thigpen but he only started 11 games.

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 27, 2009 1:42 PM

11 games and he had 12 INTs and 54% completion rate.

Posted by: RedCherokee | August 27, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

"Here's hoping he pulls himself together before the playoffs are out of reach."

Did we just flash forward to week 8 of the regular season?

Sept. 13th can't come soon enough.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | August 27, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Example, Kelly said the long pass to him in last week's game was a play that they never practiced with him. Its time for that to stop.

Zorn needs to end the jumble at WR now (actually, he needed to end it on Monday) so his QB can develop good chemistry with the 3 guys that will play the most -- not mediocre chemistry with 7.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 27, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I agree Z. I heard Campbell said that he didnt know kelly was that fast. ARE YOU FREAKING SERIOUS??? How does the starting QB not know how fast his receiver is after 2 camps and 1 season behind them. WTF?

Posted by: scottmando | August 27, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

All I want for Christmas is a JC touchdown pass tomorrow.

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | August 27, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"the place"... I forgot to put that in.

as in 'All over "the place"' ... I didn't mean he was 'all over' the passes... 'cause that didn't happen.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 27, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Look guys, I agree that Campbell hasn't proven anything, but this organization needs to change the way it does things from the top down (owner to fans).

Before we abandon Jason Campbell lets ACTUALLY FIND OUT if he's the right guy. Only way to do that is give him a second full season in this offense without making him look over his shoulder. The fact is he is the last QB that is going to "develop" or "learn the offense" behind Chris Samuels or Randy Thomas. If we are going in a different direction at QB, we need to gut things and start over completely. So lets at least get the answer to the question - can Campbell be the guy - and see what happens this year.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | August 27, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Hard to get an idea how fast a dude is when he's limping around on the sideline.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | August 27, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I also agree with those of you who have said Zorn needs to just name the starters at wideout so they can start getting consistent reps. I think it should be Kelly, but if they like Thomas more, so be it.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | August 27, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

If JC17 was a franchise QB, he wouldn't need Moss and CP as his life coaches. It's cringeworthy to think that JC17 needs Stuart Smalley confidence building at this stage in his career.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | August 27, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

stop with the flacco talk! the ravens ran the ball more than any other team in the league trying to protect their qb and have his as a game manager. aside from MCgahee, mcclain and rice balled out for them last year more than any reciever on bmore. if not for the raven's d scoring like twice every game their season mighta been way different. i don't think anyone saw flacco as the reason they made it to the conf champ last yr. and ryan rode the back of mike turner mosta the year, while having and impressive season. The common theme is running game. Clint only had 1 100 yd game in the second half of the year.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | August 27, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

I agree Z. I heard Campbell said that he didnt know kelly was that fast. ARE YOU FREAKING SERIOUS??? How does the starting QB not know how fast his receiver is after 2 camps and 1 season behind them. WTF?

Posted by: scottmando | August 27, 2009 1:49 PM

It makes sense to me given Kelly's nee issues since last year. The good news is that Kelly is healthier and playing fast. The better news is that JC will have the majority of QB snaps to develop a report with his top WRs.

Posted by: TWISI | August 27, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

If JC17 was a franchise QB, he wouldn't need Moss and CP as his life coaches. It's cringeworthy to think that JC17 needs Stuart Smalley confidence building at this stage in his career.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | August 27, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Did I miss the part where they said Campbell asked for their advice? I thought they were offering their advice in response to a question from Jreid?

Posted by: mhaslup1 | August 27, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

"Tyler Thigpen is better than any qb the skins currently have, he is available if Vinny is willing to deal. "

I live in KC, and you sir are an idiot, this guy completed ONE pass thats right ONE pass when he wasnt scrambling last year. The other EIGHT attempts while in the pocket were as follows.

4 Tipped
3 nearly Picked
1 Picked.

There is a reason why they are shopping him, he isnt a pocket passer and that is what the Chiefs are now running.

Posted by: skinball77 | August 27, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

We already know....Zorn already knows...But he is terrible @ CoachSpeak, so he confuses you....Let me break it down:

1. Moss
2. MK12
3. ARE
4. DThomas (Initially)
5. Marko

This is pretty solid, if you haven't noticed by now. DThomas risk falling behind during the season if MArko can get in and show his worth.....

NEXT QUESTION

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 27, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

The problem is Jason Campbell just will not get it done this season. Some people are born to be quarterbacks. He unfortunately was not. Out of all the QB"S drafted this decade, season 3 & 4 have been stepping stones for their careers. Jason has not even come close. Look, Flacco, and Matt Ryan are already more adept to playing in the NFL then Campbell. Enough of the excuses about the O-line and the receivers. If you are 6'5, you should not have any balls being batted down at the line of scrimmage, you should be able to spot your receviers. That fact that he has not progressed is extremely worrisome for this season. With him as our QB, the Skins will not make the playoffs guaranteed.

Posted by: RedskinAddict | August 27, 2009 1:40 PM


This doesnt make nay sense, some QB's develop slower. Rich Gannon did not become a good QB until late in his career. Doug Williams was with Tampa Bay and they got rid off him. I bet you that Atlanta wished that they held onto Brett Favre. Randall Cunningham became a better QB after his legs failed him. Donovan Mcnabb did not become a legit QB until he learned how to be a QB and not win games with his legs.

I can go on all day

Posted by: GreatOne1 | August 27, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

IMO - Ravens would have been in superbowl last year if they had Campbell instead of Flacco. You just can't compare that situation (defense creating points and short fields for the offense, plenty of protection, etc) with the Redskins. Flacco didn't make a play all year Campbell couldn't make and I saw him make several mistakes Campbell typicall avoids (esp in playoffs).

Posted by: mhaslup1 | August 27, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Jason can't worry about what the fans have to say because most of the ones that do all the complaining never played or were terrible at it. So they take out there frustration on Jason.

Jason is #1 in my book, but he shouldn't listen to that either. Just go out and play ball and everything will take care of itself.

Posted by: punchdaclock | August 27, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Zorn will make sure MK12 is on the field, because JC isn't the most accurate passer (just ask Santana) and MK12 can catch the ball as long as it is within his reach......

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 27, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Coach Zorn and JC if you are listenning:

Let's push the envelope on Friday, through early and often. Go for the kill, deep, intermediate and more deep. Welcome interceptions as a sign that you are daring enough.

We don't care if we lose a preseason game, honest. We don't care if JC throws 4 interceptions. We just want him to relax and throw. Then throw some more. We know we can run, for sure. We are not so sure if we can pass, especially since you guys have handicapped the QB to "fit" into the absurd concept that is WCO!

Other than that, we love you!

Posted by: peaceful2008 | August 27, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

The problem is Jason Campbell just will not get it done this season. Some people are born to be quarterbacks. He unfortunately was not. Out of all the QB"S drafted this decade, season 3 & 4 have been stepping stones for their careers. Jason has not even come close. Look, Flacco, and Matt Ryan are already more adept to playing in the NFL then Campbell. Enough of the excuses about the O-line and the receivers. If you are 6'5, you should not have any balls being batted down at the line of scrimmage, you should be able to spot your receviers. That fact that he has not progressed is extremely worrisome for this season. With him as our QB, the Skins will not make the playoffs guaranteed.

Posted by: RedskinAddict | August 27, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse


Flacco and Ryan were not as good as JC last season and neither was Ben rothelisberger.

Matt Ryan threw 3 more TDs but also threw 7 more INTs

Flacco threw 2 more TDs and 6 more INTs.

Ben threw 4 more TDs and 9 more INTs.

The only reason you think they are better is because they won more games. They won more games because they had better defenses or they faced weaker competition. BigBen and Flacco had the #1 and #2 defenses in the league. Matt Ryan had an easy schedule. Jason has progressed a lot in his 2.5 years as a starter. He is progessing just as fast as Eli Manning. Eli started off terrible his first year and so did JC. The second year was better. So was JC's. Eli threw a lot of TDs and a lot of picks early in his career. JC doesn't throw a lot of either. Eli just had to get the number of picks down. All Campbell has to do is get his number of TDs up. That's it. That's how close he is. If he throws 20 TDs and 6 INTs a season then he is an elite QB. Campbell has very simlar numbers to Eli but yet you'd drool all over the chance to sign Eli. Eli threw for more TDs but Eli also had Plaxico Burress, one of the best running gsmes in the league, and one of the best offensive lines in the league. JC isn't that far away. He needs to play this season and Chris Samuels needs to stay healthy.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | August 27, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

It makes sense to me given Kelly's nee issues since last year. The good news is that Kelly is healthier and playing fast. The better news is that JC will have the majority of QB snaps to develop a report with his top WRs.

Posted by: TWISI | August 27, 2009 1:56 PM |

What about all the off-season timing work we heard about with these guys?? Jason never found out MK12 had wheels then?? We have a dumb QB people and unfortunately our season depends on him so I hope he puts up monster numbers but he isn't and next year we will be filled with hope and talking about the new guy.

Posted by: scottmando | August 27, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

GreatOne1 - Doug Williams took Tampa Bay to the NFC Championship Game, but hurt his knee that game. Joe Gibbs was the Offensive Coordinator on that team........

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 27, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

ape-tit??..

Posted by: frak | August 27, 2009 1:33 P

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Ape- what brother frak?

I remember growing up on the farm, milking cats......

Posted by: peaceful2008 | August 27, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

If you are 6'5, you should not have any balls being batted down at the line of scrimmage, you should be able to spot your receviers. That fact that he has not progressed is extremely worrisome for this season. With him as our QB, the Skins will not make the playoffs guaranteed.

Posted by: RedskinAddict | August 27, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse
Aahh, NFL QB's are not throwing over midgets on the DL. Unless the QB is throwing little dinks and lobs, any pass can be knocked down if a DL can get on the proper line. These guys are 6'4" and taller, and they raise their hands up in the air, and they time their jumps to when the QB is cocking his are. Most passes can be knocked down, even by a 6'5"QB.

Posted by: frediefritz | August 27, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

For the season it was 37 sacks total for KC and 38 for us. Only 26 of those 37 sacks happened to Thigpen but he only started 11 games.

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 27, 2009 1:42 PM

11 games and he had 12 INTs and 54% completion rate.

Posted by: RedCherokee | August 27, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse


And more yards per game, points per game, and 5 more TDs than JC's entire season. I DONT WANT THIGPEN but stop making excuses for JC like he played well last year, for most of the season he had the best rushing attack in football, he had a top 5 defense all year and he had all of his skill position players healthy for the whole season. The three full-time starters who were sacked as much or more than JC (Big Ben, Matt Cassel, and David Garrard) last year all averaged more yards per game, threw for more yards for the year, and had more TDs than JC. Yes he had the fewest picks but lack of INTs doesn't also make up for lack of big plays. Of those three Big Ben was actually the closest statistically except that Big Ben had the most of this group of plays over 40 yards and the Steelers averaged a full 5 points a game better than us. You can't tell me that their offense (outside of the QB) has significantly more weapons than ours and we were by far the better rushing team.

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 27, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan17 - I think it was the Offensive Play Calling. ATL and BMore adapted. Zorn, sadly, did NOT.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 27, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Also, I just saw on Comcast this morning that Matt Stover is unsigned and waiting for a call…why the Skins haven’t brought him in for competition is beyond me….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 27, 2009 12:42 PM

Carney's out there too.

Posted by: stevek20147 | August 27, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

slimbo-Rice

We live in the Big Ben, Tom Brady era so fans expect elite performance from every QB from the start. People forget about the Pill Sims, Jim Plunkett's and even Kurt Warners who did not start off great but ended up successful at QB because they were given the chance. We all want a Brady type. But if we all had a Brady at QB how exciting would the NFL be? What makes it great is when a guy like Mark Rypien goes from bad QB to MVP of the Superbowl because he was given the chance to develop. Fans have been calling for JC to be replaces since his first season starting. Before that they were calling for him to replace Brunell after he started here for one year. I dont know any team that wins switching QB's every season because they cant become elite in one year. You know what teams do that? Tampa Bay, Detroit, Oakland, KC, SF. Teams that stick with their QB's even if they dont always play at an elite level? Philly, Dallas, NY, Jacksonville, Carolina, San Diego. Which teams of those named are the more consistant winning teams? The ones that stick with their QB for more than one season even if they dont have a great season. Its a reason why fans are fans and not working in the NFL. You would run your team worse than you think Snyder does because most fans are more fickle than he is regarding players. If a skins player has one bad game fans talk about trading them. Colt Brennan had a couple of good preseason showings last year and people were calling for him to replace Campbell as soon as he made a mistake. Now Colt has thrown a couple of picks and no one is calling for him to be the starter. Whats wrong fickle skins fans? Is collins and daniel the flavor of the month now?

Posted by: ged0386 | August 27, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

This doesnt make nay sense, some QB's develop slower. Rich Gannon did not become a good QB until late in his career. Doug Williams was with Tampa Bay and they got rid off him. I bet you that Atlanta wished that they held onto Brett Favre. Randall Cunningham became a better QB after his legs failed him. Donovan Mcnabb did not become a legit QB until he learned how to be a QB and not win games with his legs.

I can go on all day

Posted by: GreatOne1 | August 27, 2009 1:58 PM

lol, you could have a great debate with t_e on that one. in his words:

"Beantown--You are way too wait-and-see. You don't understand the fundamental concept of snap reality:

1. When your child is born, you know whether she will be a doctor
2. When you drive your new car off the lot you know whether it will be a lemon
3. When you are accepted to college you know whether it is the right school for you
4. When you get laid, you know whether you will marry the chick

Maturation and experience don't exist."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 27, 2009 11:36 AM

Posted by: RedCherokee | August 27, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

If JC produces this year(which I think he will) we sign him to a PFAT contract. If not, we let him go, groom Chase or Colt as our franchise QB, and draft a couple OL.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | August 27, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

check out some of JC's comments here

http://www.comcastsportsnet.tv/pages/multimedia_videos

Posted by: nattylite88 | August 27, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Look at it logically, ever since the modern era, how many 7th round draft picks at the QB position ever made it as franchise QBs? I willing to bet less than 1% of the QBs picked at the 7th round made it. by Ejayraptor

Look at it logically, how many 1st round picks become franchise QB's? In fact, how many franchise QB's are there right now in the league? Brady, PManning, maybe DBrees, maybe PRivers. I might be missing a couple. Help me out guys, just how many are there? But my point is that it is a long-shot to even pick one in the first round. We shouldn't plan on upgrading next year just by saying it is our plan to do so. I think JC is a reasonable option, and it will not be easy to get an upgrade next year. He has a strong arm, is mobile, does not turn it over with fumbles or Int's. I agree with a number of bloggers who think we should focus on OL's next year. I say resign #17.

Posted by: frediefritz | August 27, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

What about all the off-season timing work we heard about with these guys?? Jason never found out MK12 had wheels then?? We have a dumb QB people and unfortunately our season depends on him so I hope he puts up monster numbers but he isn't and next year we will be filled with hope and talking about the new guy.

Posted by: scottmando | August 27, 2009 2:05 PM

Kelly had off season knee surgery this year as well. Kelly was limited in the OTA's and minicamp. In fact, the plan was to bring kely along slowly all offseason. Kelly and JC mention that the deep post is a route Kelly hadn't on. JZ mentioned he started Kelly against specifically against the Stellers so that he could take a look at Kelly running that route. What's so hard to understand about those statements, or the situation behind Kelly?

Posted by: TWISI | August 27, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Zorn's ankle-biter offense is not the right fit for Jason. West coast offense is for sissys.

Posted by: thorhero | August 27, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

"What's so hard to understand about those statements, or the situation behind Kelly?

Posted by: TWISI"

It's difficult to admit that the entire premise behind his argument is utterly and completely wrong. That's what's so hard about it.

Posted by: psps23 | August 27, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

slimbo-Rice

We live in the Big Ben, Tom Brady era so fans expect elite performance from every QB from the start. People forget about the Pill Sims, Jim Plunkett's and even Kurt Warners who did not start off great but ended up successful at QB because they were given the chance. We all want a Brady type. But if we all had a Brady at QB how exciting would the NFL be? What makes it great is when a guy like Mark Rypien goes from bad QB to MVP of the Superbowl because he was given the chance to develop. Fans have been calling for JC to be replaces since his first season starting. Before that they were calling for him to replace Brunell after he started here for one year. I dont know any team that wins switching QB's every season because they cant become elite in one year. You know what teams do that? Tampa Bay, Detroit, Oakland, KC, SF. Teams that stick with their QB's even if they dont always play at an elite level? Philly, Dallas, NY, Jacksonville, Carolina, San Diego. Which teams of those named are the more consistant winning teams? The ones that stick with their QB for more than one season even if they dont have a great season. Its a reason why fans are fans and not working in the NFL. You would run your team worse than you think Snyder does because most fans are more fickle than he is regarding players. If a skins player has one bad game fans talk about trading them. Colt Brennan had a couple of good preseason showings last year and people were calling for him to replace Campbell as soon as he made a mistake. Now Colt has thrown a couple of picks and no one is calling for him to be the starter. Whats wrong fickle skins fans? Is collins and daniel the flavor of the month now?

Posted by: ged0386 | August 27, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I am not a "flavor of the day fan" I just want the best we have on the field period.

Right now Collins to be gives us the best chance of winning. He proved it 2 years ago when Campbell got hurt and took us to the playoffs and he also has proved it in preseason.

It's not like we are paying campbell 10 mil a year and are financially comitted to GIVING him the starting job. To me he has not earned it!

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | August 27, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone given praise to the Redskins for not going after Vick? I wasn't around when that all went down. I'm thinking as I watch all the Vick shabingus on the ESPNs "wow, wouldn't that be fun to have a Vick type QB on the squad?"

Then I thought, "wow, Jason Campbell already endured the pursuit of Sanchez and Cutler... that would have really SJKed it up for the Skins-Campbell relationship."

If this has already been discussed, I will Abide.

Posted by: Dorf | August 27, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I still don't understand what all the grammar school horse hockey is about "franchise quarterback"? Last I looked there were only two legitimate franchise QB's in the NFL.

1. Peyton Manning.
2. Tom Brady. (and coming back from the IR)

Franchise quarterbacks are a "myth". Something St. Joe realized when Joey T. went down and Jay Schroeder came in and actually did better. Something the late ice cream G. Allen understood when he let Billy and Sonny "share" the QB spot.

Posted by: periculum | August 27, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I hate WCO. I don't see how Redskin Fans can like it either.

Smashmouth, baby, w/ killer D. Then a few bombs to show off!! hehehe.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 27, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

And just for the Record.. I don't like any of our QB's to be completely honest.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | August 27, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I'd trade Collins, Colt, Devin Thomas, and even Cooley for a top-notch left tackle. Today.

Posted by: periculum | August 27, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

The problem is Jason Campbell just will not get it done this season. Some people are born to be quarterbacks. He unfortunately was not. Out of all the QB"S drafted this decade, season 3 & 4 have been stepping stones for their careers. Jason has not even come close. Look, Flacco, and Matt Ryan are already more adept to playing in the NFL then Campbell. Enough of the excuses about the O-line and the receivers. If you are 6'5, you should not have any balls being batted down at the line of scrimmage, you should be able to spot your receviers. That fact that he has not progressed is extremely worrisome for this season. With him as our QB, the Skins will not make the playoffs guaranteed.

Posted by: RedskinAddict | August 27, 2009 1:40 PM


This doesnt make nay sense, some QB's develop slower. Rich Gannon did not become a good QB until late in his career. Doug Williams was with Tampa Bay and they got rid off him. I bet you that Atlanta wished that they held onto Brett Favre. Randall Cunningham became a better QB after his legs failed him. Donovan Mcnabb did not become a legit QB until he learned how to be a QB and not win games with his legs.

I can go on all day

Posted by: GreatOne1 | August 27, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Bro, Jason Campbell is entering his five season as a NFL QB, and he has done NOTHING. Absolutely nothing. Joe Flacco showed more in less then one season then Campbell has his entire career. McNabb at least showed he was capable of leading his team after his first season. Rich Gannon always sucked except maybe for 2 or 3 seasons. Brett Favre came in as sub for Dan Majowski (sp?) in 1992, and lit it up in his first game. So what are you talking about. Go watch the videotape if you dont beleive me.

Everyone, please tell me what the difference is between Campbell and Patrick Ramsey. I really see no differnce. They both proved that they should be holding clipboarsd, and are not NFL starting QB's. HE HAS SHOWN NOTHING!!!! He has no gumption, he does not take chances, he plays like a coward, HE IS TIMID. End of story.

Posted by: RedskinAddict | August 27, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Also, have we discussed the similarities between Jay Cutler and Alec Baldwin...?

I think they're related somehow.

Posted by: Dorf | August 27, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"Teammates to Campbell: Ignore the Critics"


New Headline:

"Bloggas to Campbell: Numbers Always Stop Criticism--Put Up Some Good Ones For the Next 19 Weeks"

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 27, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Dik,
I tend to agree with you on smash mouth. But I don't mind a spread out passing game. Remember the first MO of the skins was no33, and the greatest passing team in the league.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 27, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Peri?! Say it ain't so. I was the guy who goaded SIGN_CHRIS_COOLEY into existance by suggesting we think about trading him to get value... silly me.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 27, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 27, 2009 2:07 PM

Lack of big plays.. (pointing finger at our current offensive play caller)

Let's give him the benefit of doubt and see if the security blanket that Santana has said Campbell could have holds up.

Posted by: RedCherokee | August 27, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

And more yards per game, points per game, and 5 more TDs than JC's entire season. I DONT WANT THIGPEN but stop making excuses for JC like he played well last year, for most of the season he had the best rushing attack in football, he had a top 5 defense all year and he had all of his skill position players healthy for the whole season. The three full-time starters who were sacked as much or more than JC (Big Ben, Matt Cassel, and David Garrard) last year all averaged more yards per game, threw for more yards for the year, and had more TDs than JC. Yes he had the fewest picks but lack of INTs doesn't also make up for lack of big plays. Of those three Big Ben was actually the closest statistically except that Big Ben had the most of this group of plays over 40 yards and the Steelers averaged a full 5 points a game better than us. You can't tell me that their offense (outside of the QB) has significantly more weapons than ours and we were by far the better rushing team.

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 27, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse


They all threw more picks and lost more fumbles too. Cassel has Randy Moss. Cassel played against the NFC west and the AFC West as well as his own division, he had the weakest schedule in the NFL. Ben has 3 good receivers, a tight end, and a RB that catches out of the backfield and only managed 4 more TDs. Garrard only managed 2 more TDs despite 7 more INTs. You're analysis is missing strength of schedule and all the negative stats categories. If you take a more complete picture you will find that JC isn't that bad. He's only going to get better. He'll throw closer to 20 TDs this season and probably 10 INTs.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | August 27, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Busting their butts to keep him here? I thought the idea was you bust your butt to WIN. If these guys are thinking they are playing to make Jason Campbell look good, then what do they do when they are playing for the other quarterbacks?
Posted by: RedSkinHead
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GREAT POINT!!! The players should worry about the BEST QB playing not their buddy. Has to make Collins, Colt or Chase wonder if these guys are giving their all for them. And besides I don't remember players feeling the need to defend Ramsey, Brunell, Johnson, Frerotte.. etc like this. Look the problem with Campbell isn't just this year. it's finishing 2-6 last year and losing the last 4 games he played the year before that.. how long are fans suppose to wait? Enough excuses.. the QB postion should be treated like any other.. the BEST guy plays and if Campbell isn't it, give Collins a shot at it!!!

Posted by: sovine08 | August 27, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

lol - you got me there, Alex.

I am a child of the JG1.0 years, though. And we have CPo...

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 27, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know where Campbell was projected to go in the draft in 2005??? Everyone seems to think we drafted him too high.

Posted by: rachel216 | August 27, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"Talk to any objective, intelligent football observer from outside D.C., and you will realize that everybody else immediately recognizes the problem here, and it isn't quarterback- it's ownership and management- similar to the situation Detroit. Jason Campbell is just this year's scapegoat/distraction.

Posted by: supattapone "


WRONG WRONG WRONG


You should actually talk to Redskins outsiders and you'll hear much different. I live in South Carolina. There are some Skins fans around SC, but not a whole lot where I am right now.

Most of the Panthers/Falcons fans around here will tell you - Jason Campbell sucks. We gotta bunch of Bears fans in one town and they'll pretty much tell you - Jason Campbell sucks. Yes, the owner is stupid, Vinny C. is dumb, etc., etc., but that doesn't change the fact that Jason Campbell has proven absolutely nothing.

I've literally been laughed at when I throw JC's name in as even a top 15 QB in the league. Vinny is an idiot...and he's the GM...and the GM is the guy that at the end of the day has given us Jason Campbell as our starter. If he hated JC as much as you all pretend, he'd have been cut or at least benched this year. He hasn't been a world-beater that is going up against all odds and still performing at a high level.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | August 27, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

People often confuse franchise QB with elite qb.

There are only a few elite qb's out there, buys who can go to almost any team and play pro-bowl caliber. A franchise qb is someone the either the entire team is built around like McNabb, or the guy that the coach brings in who is best suited for the team he built. This is why the skins have had trouble. You have a square peg a round hole and the pieces are being put in backward.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 27, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Put aside all of your stats about Campbell's low interceptions and his QB rating. Statistics can be skewed in just about anyway preferable to make a specific point. A good QB has leadership skills. He holds the players around him accountable and he holds himself, most of all, accountable for the things within his power to change. He leads with a passion that is contagious. He makes the players around him want to play better, not because of sympathy, but because they see he holds himself to those higher standards. Look at JC in the huddle. You get the impression this is a guy who whispers in the huddle. Look at his words in the media. Is there an ounce of passion there?

Compare Campbell to Steve McNair. McNair almost won the super bowl with his will to win. Compare Campbell to Farve (the young one, not the old one). Could you imagine a two minute drill where Campbell was yelling players into position?

There's a saying about timid versus aggressive: "I'd rather tame a tiger than goose a mouse." Campbell is a mouse. The Redskins need a tiger.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 27, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know where Campbell was projected to go in the draft in 2005??? Everyone seems to think we drafted him too high.

Posted by: rachel216 | August 27, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse


He was projected early second round. we took him late in the first.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | August 27, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

some body here said "we OWN this team..." that ranks as one of the stewp-idest comments i've ever read on any of these blogs. fans 'own' the team? just like you own your job, right? u must not have been here when the senators moved out of town. TWICE. or when the bullets left baltimore (after they left chicago) to come here. oh! and how could we forget the dodgers and the giants, among others. pleeze!

please.

Posted by: dcjazzman | August 27, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Truth,

You let backwards Panthers, Falcons and Bears fans sway you?

Tsk. Tsk.

Posted by: Dorf | August 27, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

And No. 12 overall pick Knowshon Moreno's preseason lasted a total of three plays with Denver before he went down with a knee injury.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 27, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Redskinshead.

Only we have heard all this off season that He has been a leader in the huddle. That he is working one on one with DT and MK and other WR's.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 27, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm...... He is who they thought he was


Overall: Campbell is a coaches son who also stared in basketball in high school. He became the first freshman to start the season opener at quarterback for Auburn since Stan White in 1990. Campbell started eight games in 2001, six games in 2002 and all 13 games in 2003. He had by far his best season as a senior in 2004 when he completed 69.6-percent of his passes for 2,700 yards and threw 19 touchdowns and just six interceptions, while leading the Tigers to a perfect 13-0 record. Campbell has always had excellent size, good athletic ability and above average arm strength, but his poor decision making skills, lack of poise in the pocket, indecisiveness and erratic arm haunted him early in his collegiate career. Throughout his first three seasons as a starter, Campbell consistently held onto the ball too long, threw too many passes up for grabs when he ..


http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=8754&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfldraft%2fdraft05%2ftracker%2fplayer%3fid%3d8754

It doesnt seem too much has changed.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | August 27, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Nate -- if you want another for the inferior league, send me an invite ... I'll kick ass in two leagues

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 27, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Everyone, please tell me what the difference is between Campbell and Patrick Ramsey. I really see no differnce. They both proved that they should be holding clipboarsd, and are not NFL starting QB's. HE HAS SHOWN NOTHING!!!! He has no gumption, he does not take chances, he plays like a coward, HE IS TIMID.
End of story.
Posted by: RedskinAddict | August 27, 2009 2:30 PM

New Headline:

"Bloggas to Campbell: Numbers Always Stop Criticism--Put Up Some Good Ones For the Next 19 Weeks"

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 27, 2009 2:32 PM


It is amazing some of these post, If we had not lost that rams game, and made the playoffs no one would be talking about JC. All we would be talking about is getting ready for another playoff run. proving you dont have a point.

If your child is a butt hole at school and gets good grades and you let it slide because he gets good grades, when his grades slips you cant argue with him about being a butthole. This is the premise of the JC argument. If we win we let the things he does or doesnt do slide, but if we loose we point the finger at him.

To me most of you JC haters sound like a bunch of hypocrite bandwagon jerks.


Posted by: GreatOne1 | August 27, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Devils Advocate...

POSITIVES: Athletic passer who took his game to another level as a senior. Patient in the pocket, buys time for receivers and poised under pressure. Feels the rush, steps up to avoid it, then finds the open pass-catcher. Improved his reads in the pocket, displays solid field vision and overall awareness. Looks off the safety, goes through receiver progressions and does not force the ball if nothing.s available. Does not take bad sacks and always trying to make something positive happen. Keeps his eyes down the field rolling out, makes good decisions and runs with the ball as a last resort. Accurate between the hashes, displays a good sense of timing and improved his pass placement as a senior. Effective at the Senior Bowl in a West Coast timing offense.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2005/draft/players/65730.html

The question is, which one seems more like the real Jason Campbell.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | August 27, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Everyone, please tell me what the difference is between Campbell and Patrick Ramsey. I really see no differnce. They both proved that they should be holding clipboarsd, and are not NFL starting QB's. HE HAS SHOWN NOTHING!!!! He has no gumption, he does not take chances, he plays like a coward, HE IS TIMID.
End of story.
Posted by: RedskinAddict | August 27, 2009 2:30 PM

JC takes the sack when Ramsey would throw the ball to the other team.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 27, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

From the Times, regarding the luncheon:

Jim Zorn spoke last and there wasn't a "Hip, hip horray!" at the end. Zorn said "The year 2008 is dead. It's over. It's gone." He tossed two footballs into the crowd afterward, which were caught by Jason Campbell and Mike Sellers.

* The biggest ovations were for Zorn, offensive line coach Joe Bugel and Santana Moss.

* Vinny Cerrato did his radio show from the lobby and one of his guests via phone was ESPN's Jon Gruden, widely viewed in the media room as the Redskins next coach should 2009 fall apart (and The Sporting News thinks so, picking the Redskins 5-11 and finishing with a six-game losing streak).

* Got a couple of e-mails about the cut down dates. The Redskins have to cut five players by Tuesday afternoon. They have to go from 75 to 53 by a week from Saturday. The practice squad can be assembled Sept. 6 after all of the cut players go through waivers.

* No shock Shawn Springs is already hurt and not expected to play for New England. Redskins players were openly mocking Springs yesterday after practice. Jason Campbell said he ran into Springs at the Legg Mason tennis tournament and when Springs told him he couldn't wait to face him, Campbell said, "That's if you play."

* Of the other Patriots not expected to play, the two key names are WR Wes Welker and DE Richard Seymour.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 27, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheTruth11 | August 27, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse


Would they laugh if you suggested Matt Cassel was a top 15 QB? According to football outsiders Jason Campbell has the same DVAR as Matt Cassel. Jason is ranked 16th, one spot higher than Matt Cassel. Does Matt Cassell suck?

Other notables that JC ranks above:
Joe Flacco
Big Ben
Jeff Garcia
Brett Favre
Tyler Thigpen
Carson Palmer
Matt Hasselbeck

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | August 27, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I hate WCO. I don't see how Redskin Fans can like it either.

Smashmouth, baby, w/ killer D. Then a few bombs to show off!! hehehe.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 27, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse


Zorn's ankle-biter offense is not the right fit for Jason. West coast offense is for sissys.

Posted by: thorhero | August 27, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Appareantly he was rated as playing the WCO pretty well by SI. But we all know we are better at judging players than the people who get paid to do it.


Effective at the Senior Bowl in a West Coast timing offense.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2005/draft/players/65730.html

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | August 27, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I've literally been laughed at when I throw JC's name in as even a top 15 QB in the league. Vinny is an idiot...and he's the GM...and the GM is the guy that at the end of the day has given us Jason Campbell as our starter. If he hated JC as much as you all pretend, he'd have been cut or at least benched this year. He hasn't been a world-beater that is going up against all odds and still performing at a high level.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | August 27, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Consider the source of such laughter, Truth. Carolina, Falcon and Bear fans!

JC is certainly not a top 5 QB, maybe not a top 10, but I would be comfortable ranking him in the top 15 or 20. He went 8+ games without an INT, and the team was 6-2. First INT against #1 D. And look at the strenght of D's he faced last year...8 games against top 10 D's(not sure if Boys D was top 10, but they were close).

I'm pretty confident that if our OL holds up this year, JC will improve again this year, just as he has the last 2 years.

Posted by: frediefritz | August 27, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Yes Z please join, I can't wait to sock you in your fantasy mouth*

(*all FF trash talk should be taken in the good natured yet ruthless nature it was intended)

Posted by: chrislarry | August 27, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell said he ran into Springs at the Legg Mason tennis tournament

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 27, 2009 2:51 PM

It was probably when Jason ran into him that Shawn got hurt. Good place, too. If anyone needs a Leg Mason it's Shawn.

I wonder if Shawn will even be on the New England roster. They can't pay him $3 million to watch from the bench this year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 27, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I agree Z. I heard Campbell said that he didnt know kelly was that fast. ARE YOU FREAKING SERIOUS??? How does the starting QB not know how fast his receiver is after 2 camps and 1 season behind them. WTF?

Posted by: scottmando | August 27, 2009 1:49 PM

It makes sense to me given Kelly's nee issues since last year. The good news is that Kelly is healthier and playing fast. The better news is that JC will have the majority of QB snaps to develop a report with his top WRs.

Posted by: TWISI

Read between the lines on this one. Campbell basically said he threw the ball where he wanted to throw it -- where he expected his WR to be. That is a GOOD thing. But his WR wasn't where he anticipated. BAD thing. But very correctable IF you practice together.

This is a timing issue, not a capability issue. Its about getting in the reps. Which is why Zorn needs to make the call on who the top WRs are going to be ASAP

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 27, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

to the guy from south carolina: you have zero room to talk here: YOUR quarterback, jake delhomme, is one of the worst in the league. luckily, he has a great line, a super running attack and several very good receivers. guess what: he still averages less than 60% completion and gets a lot more picks than our guy.

Posted by: dcjazzman | August 27, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

This just in Simeon Rice has joined the UFL NY team.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 27, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

OUch - stingers on Springs... lmao

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 27, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey - what did you guys do with video guy?

Posted by: zornskins2 | August 27, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | August 27, 2009 2:47 PM

Wow.. I didn't know that. Fascinating! "Poor decision making skills" and yet he posted up good if not great numbers. I basically feel he's trying not to throw interceptions or make turnovers.. thus the hesitancy. It's the confidence in his receivers' ability to make the catch during coverage. That's why Santana talked about the security blanket.. although I suspect he might refer it to the offensive line.

Posted by: RedCherokee | August 27, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

To me most of you JC haters sound like a bunch of hypocrite bandwagon jerks.


Posted by: GreatOne1 | August 27, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Oh, it's all right. I'm sure that we can handle this situation maturely, just like the responsible adults that we are. Isn't that right, Mr... Poopy Pants?

And, I agree. Mr. Mykneessuck Offensivelineman had to be a hero.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 27, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse


It is amazing some of these post, If we had not lost that rams game, and made the playoffs no one would be talking about JC. All we would be talking about is getting ready for another playoff run. proving you dont have a point.


GreatOne,

Your argument assumes those against JC became annoyed with JC after the loss to the Rams. I'd contend they/me were annoyed long before that game. They won, (IMO) in spite of, not because of JC.

Please JC, prove me wrong this year as I would be only too happy to eat crow.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | August 27, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Appareantly he was rated as playing the WCO pretty well by SI.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | August 27, 2009 2:55 PM

After the draft, Peter King said JC would be one of the five best players in that year's draft. Of course, he also said that the 'Skins overpaid.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 27, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Tyler Thigpen: 54.5% accuracy, 6.2 yards per attempt, 18 TDs, 13 INTs, 74.7 QB rating over his career.

Jason Campbell: 59.7% accuracy, 6.4 yards per attempt, 35 TDs, 23 INTs, 80.4 QB rating over his career.

The lesson, as always: there's a pretty good reason why you're commenting on a website instead of making football decisions.

Posted by: manalive | August 27, 2009 12:34 PM

Huh? Not saying Thigpen is better than JC but his "career" has been all of two seasons. Last season was the first where he got extended playing time and he threw those 18 TDs. Just sayin.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 27, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Put aside all of your stats about Campbell's low interceptions and his QB rating. Statistics can be skewed in just about anyway preferable to make a specific point. A good QB has leadership skills. He holds the players around him accountable and he holds himself, most of all, accountable for the things within his power to change. He leads with a passion that is contagious. He makes the players around him want to play better, not because of sympathy, but because they see he holds himself to those higher standards. Look at JC in the huddle. You get the impression this is a guy who whispers in the huddle. Look at his words in the media. Is there an ounce of passion there?

Compare Campbell to Steve McNair. McNair almost won the super bowl with his will to win. Compare Campbell to Farve (the young one, not the old one). Could you imagine a two minute drill where Campbell was yelling players into position?

There's a saying about timid versus aggressive: "I'd rather tame a tiger than goose a mouse." Campbell is a mouse. The Redskins need a tiger.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 27, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Very interesting, RSH, and very well stated. TBrady fits exactly into you definition. I suppose I would include DMcNabb in that definition. Also FRoethlisberger.

My earlier point is that there aren't many "tigers" out there. Guys that can lift the team on their shoulders and get a win. Until that "tigger" appears, aren't we better off with our best option, who I think is JC. Let's continue to look for that tiger, or try to develop one. But let's keep a reliable game managing "mouse" until he comes along.

Posted by: frediefritz | August 27, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

'65, why wait until next year. Just review tape of the Saints and Arizona games from last year.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 27, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Hey - what did you guys do with video guy?

Posted by: zornskins2 | August 27, 2009 2:59 PM

Zapped him to video hell.

Posted by: RedCherokee | August 27, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

ZORN - Do not speak of he who cannot be spoken of!!!

And let me be the first to say that it's good to say Dorf about to abdide again on RI.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 27, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Yes Z please join, I can't wait to sock you in your fantasy mouth*

(*all FF trash talk should be taken in the good natured yet ruthless nature it was intended)

Posted by: chrislarry

didn't know eunuchs could hit ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 27, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

alex35332,
I'll give Campbell his due for working with the receivers, but where is the swagger? The guy is a wallflower.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 27, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

What this team needs is a franchise QB and not 7 round picks like Chase and Colt. There was a reason those guys were not picked much higher than they were in the draft. And for those who would point to Tom Brady as a 7th round pick that became a franchise QB, I say that is 1 in a 100K chance. Look at it logically, ever since the modern era, how many 7th round draft picks at the QB position ever made it as franchise QBs? I willing to bet less than 1% of the QBs picked at the 7th round made it. Actually maybe 1 made it. So enough of the Chase and Colt nonsense, they are both not starting caliber QB much less franchise QB.
Posted by: Ejayraptor
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First off both Colt and Brady were drafted in th 6th round not 7th.. but beyond that you are wildly wrong about late round draft picks at QB being successful. Romo was a free agent.. and he's a pro bowl franchise qb. and around the league Warner free agent 3 super bowls, Delhomme free agent.. took Panthers to Super Bowl, Hasselback 6th round pick took Seahawks to the SB, Bulger 6 round franchise QB and there are other QB's who are starting today or have been successful starters like Garcia who was a FA. Yes odds are better for 1st round picks.. but Ryan Leaf & Akili Smith? there has been a number of 1st round buts too. We have seen Campbell over 4 years his time is about up.. but we shouldn't assume Colt can't be a number 1 QB till he has a chance to play.. IN A REAL GAME!!! But for now Collins to me is the Skins best chance this year.. and you should like this.. he was drafted 2nd...

Posted by: sovine08 | August 27, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

ged0386,


Agreed. Redskins fan are the most stupid when it comes to understanding QB position. Maybe it is because this town hasn't had a great QB in a long time, or maybe because we are just spoiled brats on this particular position.

Calling for QB's head all the time has never helped the Redskins. Yet the fans continue on this sado-masochistic path? what gives?

Posted by: peaceful2008 | August 27, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Z a eunuch joke...? We will see who neuters who in FF!!!!!

Posted by: chrislarry | August 27, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

On the cut to 75 by Tuesday...Vinny says they'll make the cuts on Saturday...they don't want the 5 to practice until Tuesday, and take the chance of one getting injured.

Posted by: 4-12 | August 27, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis said "...Jason just has to go out and do what he can. He's got to keep a level head and not get too high, not get too low..." ~ Did CP just say JC has to stay medium? It looks like what Zorn is saying is sinking in...hip hip hurray!!

Posted by: RedBaron2008 | August 27, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

When do we start treating JC as a vet and not some first or second year palyer. He is going to be our started for the 3rd year running. We don't need to "protect" him or talk about how many offenses...
He is a 5 year vet and needs to start performing like one.

Posted by: jandlml | August 27, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

"On the cut to 75 by Tuesday...Vinny says they'll make the cuts on Saturday...they don't want the 5 to practice until Tuesday, and take the chance of one getting injured."

penny smart, dollar stupid. Then that means you have to practice more potential 53 man roster guys increasing the risk of injury. Keep the tackling dummies until the last second you can. Is saving the $ on a potential injury settlement to a scrub that big a deal???

Posted by: chrislarry | August 27, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

who's betting that either Colt or Chase gets cut Saturday?

Posted by: alex35332 | August 27, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Hey - what did you guys do with video guy?

Posted by: zornskins2 | August 27, 2009 2:59 PM

He disappeared after my 10:32 pm smackdown last night.

Coincidence? I don't think so.

I am available for exorcisms, evictions, bumrushes, and trundle-offs at attractive rates.

Posted by: farstriker | August 27, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

And let me be the first to say that it's good to say Dorf about to abdide again on RI.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston

You are indeed the 1st to say that...

The Dorf abdides.

Posted by: Dorf | August 27, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

FYI I would like to see whichever QB is cut from the skins go to the UFL and see how a spread QB can do against next level talent.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 27, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Yes, abdides

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 27, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

4th, why are you down of DT11?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 27, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Here is something that Jason Campbell needs to not only understand but also accept,the only criticism i can worry about is my teammates and my supervisors,those he can control any other criticism coming from fans those he can't that's all he needs to worry about but right now he can't do he's job to the maximum of his abilities because of the fact that he not being allowed to by the mgmt and unless that changes and the owners patient changes it's not gonna matter who the quarteback is because of the fact that the owner is not allowing the quarterback the time to become franchise quarterback and until that happens this team is gonna stand still and not become elite.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | August 27, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Campbell has ALWAYS been coached to manage games -- and away from taking chances. This gives you a better chance to win.

But you develop as a QB by taking chances and learning from it. You may lose a few games in the process ... but ... you'll become a better player.

Bottom line is that the best QBs have learned to balance being aggressive with game management. Brady and Manning are comfortable throwing the ball away instead of making a high risk throw. But they've also learned how to be aggressive and while also lowering the risk ... and you only learn this by playing 'at the edge' and understanding what you can and can't do.

Campbell has NEVER been given the chance to play 'at the edge'.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 27, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Yo Dorf, blew through the Burg a month back on way to Roanoke for family wedding. Had breakfast at the Little Grill! Its a Co-op now for the employees, mad cool. Seems like they made some improvements but still had some bric-a-brac I remember fondly.

I got to point out to my wife where I broke the gum ball machine in 1994 when my Punk Rock band played there.

Ice Cream Socialists forever!

Posted by: chrislarry | August 27, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

really ...does all this commentary matter? itts all up to the players

Posted by: diego99999 | August 27, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

You f'ers kill me bringing up the Arizona and Saints game all the time.

"Dat dey one, dats dey one!!!!"

Look, give me something more than TWO games in which Campbell looked liked the second coming of Marino or some other great QB. And give me a game where the opposing defense (especially the secondary wasn't burned all season like a dude that went raw bonin' a hooker.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 27, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

zeke, I may indeed need you to join this fantasy F-ball league so we can draft tonight... I have a couple of lollygaggers who haven't signed up yet.

Though I see Zornskins has finally come in. Hip hip hooray!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | August 27, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

yes, wb Dorf. I assumed you were on in after-hours commenting. m'bad.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 27, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

"When do we start treating JC as a vet and not some first or second year palyer.

Posted by: jandlml"

This season.

Unfortunately, half the idiots castrating Campbell over his 'performance' so far haven't realized the season hasn't even begun.

Posted by: psps23 | August 27, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

LH - Route Running still seems to be his problem. I was looking @ the NFLN Replay last night and Collins threw the ball to DT11, but he didn't try to fight for the ball and let the CB beat him to the spot (ball)....

He has talked a good game I just want to see him try a little harder like Marko and MK12 have....I hope he rises, but I am begining to think he has a lot to learn...

But hey,,,,,It's preseason and I WILL BE @ THE GAME TOMMOROW....Sorry Sweeny....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 27, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

JC17 will be signed as a backup to Matt Hasselbech this coming offseason, with the potential to compete for the starting job. Book it.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | August 27, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinstalker | August 27, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Pick your 5 guys [Mmmmmm, 5Guys] that get cut:

CB- Doug Dutch
S- Lendy Holmes
DE- J.D. Skolnitsky
WR- Keith Eloi
LB- Darrel Young

Posted by: 4-12 | August 27, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Nate, I know chrislarry is shaking in his boots about me possibly joining that league ... he'll probably crap himself when I do join ... isn't that enough to make it worthwhile ...?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 27, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Nate, let me know if you need a patsy for the Peeps league...

Posted by: 4-12 | August 27, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Zorn was pretty mad in this interviw talking about MOSS
http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: skinstalker | August 27, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Z, what i am truly scared about is your 2500 word treatise about how my 25 point azz whupping of your team was actually closer than it looked.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 27, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Agreed. Redskins fan are the most stupid when it comes to understanding QB position. Maybe it is because this town hasn't had a great QB in a long time, or maybe because we are just spoiled brats on this particular position.

Calling for QB's head all the time has never helped the Redskins. Yet the fans continue on this sado-masochistic path? what gives?

Posted by: peaceful2008 | August 27, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse


It's not just DC fans. Do you remmeber the year before the Giants won the super bowl? NYers were ready to run Eli and Tom Coughlin out of town. Philly is always trying to get rid of McNabb. Dallas will turn on Romo if that team doesn't make the playoffs this year. This is what America does now. We blame the coach and quarterback. Who cares if the owner blew all his money on has beens and the GM traded away draft picks for nothing? We'll just get another QB and another coach. We'll start all over again. This time it will be different. Blah, Blah, Blah, we've been doing this for 15 years. You'd think the fans would have caught on by now.

Petibon
Turner
Schottenheimer
Gibbs 2.0
Spurrier

Mark Rypien
Heath Shuler
John Friez
Gus Frerotte
Jeff Hostetler
Trent Green
Brad Johnson
Jeff George
Tony Banks
Shane Matthews
Patrick Ramsey
Danny Wuerfiel
Tim Hasselback
Mark Brunell
Jason Campbell
Todd Collins

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | August 27, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Nate, puhleeze note I only abstain from the Fantasy League due to moral considerations.

I also don't play the lottery either 'cause they make poor people pay for their own education and even steal a portion of that tax for their coffers. (darn that infamous THEY!!)

I wish everyone a great time on the RI fantasy.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 27, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Also LH....I have been a MK12 backer since draft day more so than I was with DThomas....I am homer for whateves I root for....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 27, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I agree here's moss talking about JC
http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: skinstalker | August 27, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

the only fantasy football league I want to play in is when the Victoria Secrets models don cleats and their sexy undies!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | August 27, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I think videoman was re-captured by Spiderman and his Amazing Friends.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 27, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

KC gave up 37 sacks last year and we gave up 38...and they rushed the ball a lot worse than us so not sure how accurate that statement is.

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 27, 2009 1:21 PM

Granted both teams' OL wasn't good. It's 26 sacks, not 37 that Thigpen had compared to Campbell's 38
http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011
Posted by: DikShuttle | August 27, 2009 3:25 PM

Great video

Posted by: skinstalker | August 27, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

CL, haven't been to Little Grill in a while but they built a community center across the street which is really cool. They over expanded a bit and started up a earthy all natural organic store... but I think that went under. I should hit up breakfast soon.

You ever need a place in the Burg, you can stay at the community center... I don't think Mrs. Dorf will let you stay over.

Posted by: Dorf | August 27, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

think videoman was re-captured by Spiderman and his Amazing Friends.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 27, 2009 3:29 PM
I THINK HE WAS . HERE'S THE VIDEO OF THE INTERVIEW

http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: skinstalker | August 27, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Check out these comments from Cooley, when he was discussing with Portis the most popular DC Athlete:

"I wouldn't even say me at number one," Portis said. "I think Ovechkin, I do."

"This is the first year anyone's cared about hockey," Cooley disagreed. "It'd be me or you. And if a quarterback came here and played, it's 100 percent the quarterback."

"Colt's got a lot of fans," Portis said.

"If a quarterback comes in here and takes us to the playoffs, it's him, bar none, no questions asked," Cooley concluded."

"I guess between me and Cooley," Portis finally said, being serious


Not sure how to read what this means....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 27, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Z, what i am truly scared about is your 2500 word treatise about how my 25 point azz whupping of your team was actually closer than it looked.

Posted by: chrislarry

Intimidating, isn't it?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 27, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

penny smart, dollar stupid. Then that means you have to practice more potential 53 man roster guys increasing the risk of injury. Keep the tackling dummies until the last second you can. Is saving the $ on a potential injury settlement to a scrub that big a deal???

Posted by: chrislarry | August 27, 2009 3:11 PM

Huh? The others are going to practice. That's why we're keeping them. Keeping a bunch of zombies on the field gets you nothing.

Anyway, having read the blog the last few days, the five who are getting cut are Betts, D. Thomas, J. Campbell, J. Tryon, and C. Rodgers. Cut your losses and move on.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 27, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Fridge gave birth to an 11-year old kid, who immediately ran off to Six Flags (where he's avoiding that weird old pervert with the bow tie and glasses- a worser mascot hath never been hatched)..

http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: frak | August 27, 2009 12:28

wERE ARE YOU GETTING THE VIDEO FROM.

Posted by: skinstalker | August 27, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Ovechkin!

Posted by: chrislarry | August 27, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Off to class, you hamsters keep it real.

Lay off the JC bloodletting for a bit. Talk about the D a bit and get pumped up.

Posted by: Dorf | August 27, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I think videoman was re-captured by Spiderman and his Amazing Friends.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 27, 2009 3:29 PM

He'll get his due, no doubt about it. I don't think the Washington Post take kindly to spammers.

Posted by: RedCherokee | August 27, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Z a eunuch joke...? We will see who neuters who in FF!!!!!

Posted by: chrislarry | August 27, 2009 3:07 PM

I predict cl and zeke will both the singing soprano by the 10th week.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 27, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Here is something that Jason Campbell needs to not only understand but also accept,the only criticism i can worry about is my teammates and my supervisors,those he can control any other criticism coming from fans those he can't that's all he needs to worry about but right now he can't do he's job to the maximum of his abilities because of the fact that he not being allowed to by the mgmt and unless that changes and the owners patient changes it's not gonna matter who the quarteback is because of the fact that the owner is not allowing the quarterback the time to become franchise quarterback and until that happens this team is gonna stand still and not become elite.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | August 27, 2009 3:16 PM
I FEEL THE SAME WAY . Why did zorn say this after the game though

http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: skinstalker | August 27, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

OK, I'm gonna employ my special draft and trade FF strategy. That is, I'm drafting guys and then, after realizing I messed up, trading them for better guys.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 27, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

typical TE....coach want scrubs so they can take abuse during reps...the smaller the roster the more you gotta play contributors just to have a functioning practice. Why do you think college rosters are so huge? Haven't you seen Rudy?

Any NFL coach wants bodies in camp/practice as sparring partners/live tackling dummies....

This descion is pure bean counter....nothing else.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 27, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I think videoman was re-captured by Spiderman and his Amazing Friends.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 27, 2009 3:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011
He'll get his due, no doubt about it. I don't think the Washington Post take kindly to spammers.
http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011
Posted by: RedCherokee | August 27, 2009 3:35
http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011
You're right

Posted by: skinstalker | August 27, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I predict cl and zeke will both the singing soprano by the 10th week.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Did you put your cohones in the ring?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 27, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan17,

Absolutely correct. Having a super-great QB is going to depend on many factors:

1-Raw talent and natural leadership qualities
2-The system the QB is having to play in/coaching
3-The line and the receivers, as well as the general success of the team
4-Confidence level based on tangibles and intangibles

I am not making excuses for failing QB's, I am just saying there is a reason that year after year, many promising QB's out of college flunk dearly, regardless of how high or low they were ranked on the draft board.

Redskins fans, as represented on the RI, are the biggest idiots in understanding above.

They act like either spoiled 5 year olds, or starved 5 year olds. When you are such jerks, you don't deserve to have a great QB, IMHO

Posted by: peaceful2008 | August 27, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

typical TE....coach want scrubs so they can take abuse during reps...the smaller the roster the more you gotta play contributors just to have a functioning practice. Why do you think college rosters are so huge? Haven't you seen Rudy?

Any NFL coach wants bodies in camp/practice as sparring partners/live tackling dummies....

This descion is pure bean counter....nothing else.
http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011
Posted by: chrislarry | August 27, 2009 3:38 PM

I agree here's cooley in the latest interview from CC

http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: skinstalker | August 27, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

CL, it's 3 days and 5 players. In all likelihood, players next on the chopping block will be the ones picking up the slack, not the vet starters. It's really not a big deal, at all.

Posted by: psps23 | August 27, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

typical CL -- suspends logic so he can beat up somebody, anybody. You got five zombies out on the field hitting on each other so that you can spare the other 68? That's how great football teams are built.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 27, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Hard to throw for lots of TD's when you are laying on your back or running for your life. The offensive line last year was offensive. No pass blocking and poor run blocking. Randle El scares no team. Teams doubled Cooley or Moss and shut down the run with 8 or 9 players in the box. JC is not the problem with this offense. The real problem is in the owner's box. DS and VC are too stupid to realize that the team desperately needs offensive linemen and a viable threat opposite Moss.

Posted by: afiorillo | August 27, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Did you put your cohones in the ring?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 27, 2009 3:40 PM |

No way. I'd be singing soprano before the draft was over.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 27, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

psp23, yeah duh its not world peace, but is an example of non-football related top down management....the cliche i used summed it up perfectly. (penny smart/dollar stupid)

but whateves

Posted by: chrislarry | August 27, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinstalker | August 27, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Also LH....I have been a MK12 backer since draft day more so than I was with DThomas....I am homer for whateves I root for....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 27, 2009 3:25 PM

It's cool. Just curious. Doc just made some comments about DT11 and route running. Doc said that when DT11 asked in the huddle why JC didn't throw him the ball on a play during the Steelers game, JC said he didn't know where DT11 was going to be.

I'm not ready to judge DT on preseason games just yet, especially to push him below MM.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 27, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Here's some practice video and ZORN talking about JC doing bad in the last game
http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: skinstalker | August 27, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Here's some practice video and ZORN talking about JC doing bad in the last game
http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: skinstalker | August 27, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

5 years in with this guy. Can we have a final put up or shut up with this guy? Flaco and the kid in Atlanta both looked better as rookies than Campbell ever has.

Posted by: ridgely1 | August 27, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

So TE, John Clayton and John Gruden are without logic as well?

"By not expanding rosters, owners will pay price in long run"

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=3338600

Posted by: chrislarry | August 27, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

* No shock Shawn Springs is already hurt and not expected to play for New England. Redskins players were openly mocking Springs yesterday after practice. Jason Campbell said he ran into Springs at the Legg Mason tennis tournament and when Springs told him he couldn't wait to face him, Campbell said, "That's if you play."


Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 27, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse


Bean,

Is this for real? or are you joking? This is too perfect to be true, if it is...

Posted by: p1funk | August 27, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins will have to cut five players by Sept. 1. Then they’ll travel to Jacksonville to play the Jaguars on Sept. 3 before lopping another 22 off the roster to set the final 53.

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/As_Preseason_Winds_Down__Questions_Get_Answers_47938.jsp

Posted by: RedCherokee | August 27, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Can we have a final put up or shut up with this guy?

Posted by: ridgely1 | August 27, 2009 3:48 PM

His contract's up at the end of the year. How much more final can you get?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 27, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Here's some practice video and ZORN talking about JC doing bad in the last game
http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: skinstalker | August 27, 2009 3:47 PM
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Dear skinstalker, I checked the link but there seems to be a mistake. Instead of Zorn, they have a video of your momma performing a Good House Keeping instructional video! What gives?

Posted by: peaceful2008 | August 27, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Here's some practice video and ZORN talking about JC doing bad in the last game
http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: skinstalker | August 27, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Signs of leadership?

Doc Walker on the John Thompson show today recalled a conversation that he over heard between Campbell and one of the WRs. It was regarding a deep pass to the WR that was over thrown. When the WR came back to the huddle Jason asked him what happened on the route. The WR basically said it was his bad he hadn't run the route full out because he wasn't feelin right. Jason asked the WR why he was out there if he couldn't practice correctly. Later they ran the play again, the same WR was open but this time Jason threw it to another WR. When the first WR came back to the huddle, he asked why Jason hadn't thrown him the ball. Jason told the WR he couldn't trust him to run the play correctly so he didn't throw him the ball. It's a little thing, but you know the old saying: perfect practice makes....

Posted by: TWISI | August 27, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Here's some practice video and ZORN talking about JC doing bad in the last game
http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: skinstalker | August 27, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

p1 thats right from the times.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 27, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Gruden and Clayton are talking about something different, aren't they? You might as well put up a link to skinstalker's porn or to another job that Russ Grimm didn't get.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 27, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Here's some practice video and ZORN talking about JC doing bad in the last game
http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: skinstalker | August 27, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I thought you were a peace monger. He likes the attention. Just abide brother.

Posted by: Dorf | August 27, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

p1 thats right from the times.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 27, 2009 3:52 PM

But you understand why he has to ask, don't you? I mean, your credibility and such...

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 27, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

That hurts te......cuts me to the quick...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 27, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

What color is an orange.....

Posted by: VicDamone | August 27, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

JC if you ever read these posts, we wish you well. You take care of the business and ignore the boohaas.

Most fans calling for your head are obviously ALL geniuses in their lives, and mostly are in the running for NOBEL prize in their respective fields. Most JC haters are members of Phi Beta Kappa and %99 are a combination of athlete/scientist/male dancers!

They have never encountered mediocrsy in their lives and are holding you to the same standard.

Posted by: peaceful2008 | August 27, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

p1 thats right from the times.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 27, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Springs informed the Pats of his "I-Don't-Play-Unless-I-Feel-100%-Healthy" policy before or after he signed the deal.

My favorite part is the idea of Skins players openly mocking Springs after practice...I always wondered if it was only us fans who thought Springs was a giant wuss...guess not.

Posted by: p1funk | August 27, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

TE its like you are addicted to being wrong. But you are right, maybe I do make myself feel more bad azz by picking on the weak and feeble minded. I will try to refrain.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 27, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Here's some practice video and ZORN talking about JC doing bad in the last game
http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: skinstalker | August 27, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

That hurts te......cuts me to the quick...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 27, 2009 3:57 PM

Sorry. I didn't mean it in the bad way. I meant it as some friendly advice, to think again before you post another "rumor" from PFT.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 27, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

p1, yeah, thats kind of funny to me too....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 27, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

did I myspell mediocrysy? shoot!

Posted by: peaceful2008 | August 27, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Here's some practice video and ZORN talking about JC doing bad in the last game
http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: skinstalker | August 27, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Mike Florio from PFT is reporting a beep beep.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 27, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Have to give TE some dap on that BG call out.....

Posted by: chrislarry | August 27, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Here's some practice video and ZORN talking about JC doing bad in the last game
http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: skinstalker | August 27, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

But you are right, maybe I do make myself feel more bad azz by picking on the weak and feeble minded. I will try to refrain.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 27, 2009 3:58 PM

Oooh! You're back with those girlie slaps, are you?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 27, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Here's some practice video and ZORN talking about JC doing bad in the last game
http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: skinstalker | August 27, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Agreed Dorf,

Cannot wait to see a AH RAK 1-2 punch, ouch!

Who needs offense anyways? We got the 4th ranked defense and added a bunch of monsters to it. Let's get pumped up dude and dudettes? (that is of course in case there are any dudettes around here, in which case I would like to invite the 7-10 ranked ones to a Redskin discussion here in the good old Santa Monica, CA ;-)

Posted by: peaceful2008 | August 27, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Have to give TE some dap on that BG call out.....

Posted by: chrislarry | August 27, 2009 4:02 PM

BG has the PFT Rumor Gambit cold. With all the newbies showing up lately, he catches one or two every day. "Hey I clicked on PFT and it wasn't there. Whadaya mean?" I bet 10% of their hits are referrals from BG.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 27, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

The question is why are people critical of Campbell? The answer is he sucks. Face JC lovers, if he were playing well, he wouldn't have to worry about the critics. They'd be saying good things. He is such a thin skinned mamma's boy.

Posted by: theBozyn | August 27, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: mhaslup
IMO - Ravens would have been in superbowl
last year if they had Campbell instead of Flacco.
=======================
Did you miss your Propofol injection today?

"3 and Out " Campbell and "Reefer Madness" Zorn are DEAD MEN WALKING on the team.... AND I hope this never ending QB nightmare is over no later than after the Lions game......

I can't take hearing these xxxxxxx EXCUSES day after day.....

Posted by: unc1dmo | August 27, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

"And oftentimes excusing a fault doth make the fault the worse by the excuse." But at least you have to give JC credit for not making excuses, they're all provided by his die hard, know nothing fans.

Posted by: nomolehill | August 27, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

For all the JC haters out there..

What do you suggest we do THIS season? I mean, seriously, how many games do you want to win?

Here is a little detail for you:

JCampbell = best chance to win now and in future. just needs to progress like he has every year.

TCollins = There is a reason why he sits on the bench. Cmon..only reason why the Skins made the playoffs was because of Cportis putting up numbers the last 5 or so games.

CBrennan = not ready yet. reason why no one wanted him.

CDaniel = Uh no...don't care what he has done in preseason. He is NOT NFL caliber

We lose over 10 games with anyone else but Campbell. Could win 10 with him being "average".

Let's just wait and see how the season progresses and STOP being wanna be nfl experts or management because...guess what...NONE of YOU or I are qualified to do that. We are just fans...short for fanatic.

NONE OF YOU COULD DO ANY BETTER OR CAN JUDGE TALENT ON THAT LEVEL SO PUT THE ARGUMENT TO REST AND SUPPORT JC!!!

Posted by: TampaBayareaRedskinsfan | August 27, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Calling for QB's head all the time has never helped the Redskins. Yet the fans continue on this sado-masochistic path? what gives?
Posted by: peaceful2008
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What gives is a team shouldn't have to wait 5 or 6 years to see if the QB they have is good enough to get the team to the Super Bowl. All we hear from the Campbell camp is he needs more time.. well time is up.. it's now or never. Speaking of time I'd like to know why Collins was never given a second chance? He had to step in after not playing in 10 years.. win every game or the Skins don't make the playoffs.. well he did and was name the NFC offense player of the month with a 106 QB rating in the process.. and did he get a 2nd chance the following year? No way.. so Campbell shouldn't complain he hasn't had enough chances. He's had a lot more than Collins and I'm sure Ramsey is saying he wishes he that had half the chances Campbell has had..

Posted by: sovine08 | August 27, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

NONE OF YOU COULD DO ANY BETTER OR CAN JUDGE TALENT ON THAT LEVEL SO PUT THE ARGUMENT TO REST AND SUPPORT JC!!!
Posted by: TampaBayareaRedskinsfan
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Look your right none of us are considered experts.. but i will say in 2007 I thought Collins was the best QB the Skins had.. and yes he was sitting on the bench and wasn't going to play that year until Campbell got hurt. Then he came in and as Joe Gibbs.. who does know a little about football said.. "it was the best performance off the bench he has ever seen." He also said no one thought that would happen.. well he was wrong because I saw Collins play in preseason and I thought it would happen. i wasn't surprised. Bottomline what i'm saying is the pros make mistakes to... As far as this year play will determine who plays and who doesn't.. at least it should. But just letting you know just because the guy is on the bench at the moment it doesn't mean he isn't better than the guy on the field...

Posted by: sovine08 | August 27, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

JC is a good quarterback that will continue to develop over time. If you are true fan support your QB, stop being a hater. Join my fantasy league....dimesports.net

Posted by: kbwahs | August 27, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

MARK MY WORDS

Jason Campbell is going to put up Pro Bowl numbers this season en route to a division title and home playoff games at Fed Ex Field.

Just don't say Barno didn't tell you.

Posted by: Barno1 | August 27, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

TCollins = There is a reason why he sits on the bench. Cmon..only reason why the Skins made the playoffs was because of Cportis putting up numbers the last 5 or so games.
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What??? Collins QB rating was 106 for December of that year. He not Portis was voted Offensive player of the Month.. Collins was the reason the Skins made the playoffs...

Posted by: sovine08 | August 27, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

JC is a good quarterback that will continue to develop over time. If you are true fan support your QB, stop being a hater.
Posted by: kbwahs
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No a true fan supports the TEAM over any individual player. Now I will root for Campbell on the field but I will also be thinking the better QB is sitting on the bench. I just wish Zorn would also put the team above any individual player...

Posted by: sovine08 | August 27, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

JC is a good quarterback that will continue to develop over time. If you are true fan support your QB, stop being a hater.
Posted by: kbwahs
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No a true fan supports the TEAM over any individual player. Now I will root for Campbell on the field but I will also be thinking the better QB is sitting on the bench. I just wish Zorn would also put the team above any individual player...

Posted by: sovine08 | August 27, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

JASON:

Please ignore us. We don't get the opportunity to play because we weren't endowed with superior athletic abilities, and thusly, we don't really get it. We're just guessing unless one or two of us have actually played some NFL ball. And right now, no second guessing is allowed. But in the off season, reflect and remember, no one but yourself can quiet sharp criticism and that by performing in a superior way on the field in 2009. Good luck.

Posted by: glawrence007 | August 27, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

LOL...

So I guess one good month in a 10 plus career makes him the better qb???

IF T COllins was so good, umm..why didn't he start anywhere else?

Why has T Collins held a clipboard his WHOLE career?

I guess all the NFL managements, scouts, personell, etc etc etc are WRONG and fans are right.

I can't believe I'm even hearing this. One good month that leads a team to the playoffs, WHEN the were already in contention prior to JCamp's injury, doesn't justify a starting position.

And what did T Collins do in the playoffs? Uhh..ONE and DONE! 2 INT's, 1 to the house

Posted by: TampaBayareaRedskinsfan | August 27, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

MARK MY WORDS

Jason Campbell is going to put up Pro Bowl numbers this season en route to a division title and home playoff games at Fed Ex Field.

Just don't say Barno didn't tell you.

Posted by: Barno1 | August 27, 2009

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Put me as a YES in Barno1 camp. I think JC will quiet all the pundits and lead us to the playoffs.

Barno1, let's keep a list of who is with us and who is not. I guess everyone can jump on the Bandwagon later, but it would be nice to know!!

Posted by: peaceful2008 | August 27, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm in... If the O-line can give him the time to make plays downfield, he will make them... You gotta like the weapons, Moss, Kelly, ARE, Thomas, Cooley, Portis, Betts & Davis... I think this group will get better & better as the year goes along because the young guns should contribute more down the stretch with experience.

Posted by: tony325 | August 27, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I would be curious to learn exactly what it is about his game that JC is NOT ignoring.

It appears that JC's ignoring the direction of his coaching staff, his basic footwork and throwing mechanics, the defensive alignments against him, the routes of his receivers -- especially the open receivers, the blocking of his lines, the location of the yardage markers, the distances to first downs, the time on the clock, and any other accepted statistical measure of QB performance.

I also don't know how the coaching staff could make it any easier for him -- as they've over-simplified even the most basic plays, while trimming the play book down to seven basic plays: run left, run right,run middle, screen left, screen right, short slant in and short slant out. They've also shortened the field in front of him to 10 yards or less, moved him out from under center and set him back to take longer snaps, kept in extra blockers to give him even more time to read the defensive line rush and decide when to throw the ball away, and generally continued to tolerate his dim witted and slow footed mediocrity for five years now and counting.

But even after all that, JC can't pass and can't run, and he certainly can't move the chains, rally the team or score points.

And now they're telling him to ignore the critics? Yeah, he may as well do that too.

Posted by: Vic1 | August 27, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

LOL...

So I guess one good month in a 10 plus career makes him the better qb???
Posted by: TampaBayareaRedskinsfan
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Makes him better than Campbell yeah.. because just the month before Campbell LOST 4 games.. Winning 4 is always better than losing four.

IF T COllins was so good, umm..why didn't he start anywhere else? Why has T Collins held a clipboard his WHOLE career?
Posted by: TampaBayareaRedskinsfan
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He was behind Trent Green who was putting up pretty good numbers himself.. and Green never got hurt. Hey a lot of good QB's sat on the bench a long time before they got a chance.. check out how long Rich Gannon sat on a bench

I guess all the NFL managements, scouts, personell, etc etc etc are WRONG and fans are right.
Posted by: TampaBayareaRedskinsfan
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Regarding who's better Campbell or Collins?
Gibbs seems to think Collins played better.

I can't believe I'm even hearing this. One good month that leads a team to the playoffs, WHEN the were already in contention prior to JCamp's injury, doesn't justify a starting position.
Posted by: TampaBayareaRedskinsfan
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Already in contention??? They were 5-7.
Are you saying if Collins was the starter and let the team to 5-7 got hurt and Campbell came in and was 4-0.. that wouldn't justify Campbell starting the following year???

And what did T Collins do in the playoffs? Uhh..ONE and DONE! 2 INT's, 1 to the house
Posted by: TampaBayareaRedskinsfan
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Under pressure all game he lead the Skins to the lead in the 3rd quarter. the pick was because Moss never saw the ball.. the last pick was because he had to force the ball because of time. hey at least he got them into the playoffs.. something Campbell has NEVER done...


Posted by: sovine08 | August 27, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Todd Colins had 12 years in the Al Saunders offense. That offense consisted of over 700 plays and you're trying to blast JC for not getting it his first year. Did you watch Todd Collins last year in preseason? He looked terrible. This is a dofferent offense. JC is better than Todd Collins in this offense. Right now the only reason Todd looks better is because he's playing agianst scrubs. Give it up Todd Collins is not better than JC. Todd lost his starting job and spent 12 years on the bench for a reason.

Posted by: sovine08 | August 27, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | August 27, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

sovine08...

Keep rooting for a bum aka Todd Collins.

Have fun with that.

Have fun wishing for a guy that won FOUR...FOUR games and went ONE and DONE in the playoffs. hahahahaha

I like how you make excuses for the reasons for the picks (INTS) in that playoff game.

Why not say..he was terrible...which is what he is.

TODD COLLINS IS GARBAGE!

Has TCollins even played 16 games in a season?

Posted by: TampaBayareaRedskinsfan | August 27, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

The fact that this is actually a story is funny.
I also hear No Talent,No Nothing on the radio talking as though they played ball at the NFL level make predictions.

Please shut up! On your best day you can't throw or run like Campbell.

I hate new fans!

Posted by: shamken | August 28, 2009 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Campbell needs to produce and that will shut up the critics. Until he develops into the quarterback we thought he would be, then he will have to deal with the consequences. There is too much coddling of him...he needs to step up and produce this year...then he will get a long term deal and more $$. Cheers.

Posted by: MPNangle | August 28, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

word play can be tricky, "after two games" Campbell has not played two games its been about 5 series of 1 quarter in 2 games. Scenario, Campbell leads the team on a score the opening drive of both preseason games and looks great everyone will say he's turned the corner. Now we we don't know is what is he going to do the next 3QUARTERS. Football is 4 quarters for a reason players make adjustments how you start a game is not necessarily how you finish. Let give the man 4 complete quarters of a few games and make the determination then.

Posted by: russelljharris | August 28, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Well, it is sink or swim day and obviously Campbell will sink. Teamates... ignore the critics!? what a bunch of crap. The offensive line when criticized by another teammate stepped up their level until injuries caught up. CP turns into a Norman Bates type skitzo at the meer mention of Adrian Petersen being the best back in the league. No of them take criticizm well so they are not good sources to consider. I can't wait for the next blog to see what defense the Campbell supporters come up with. Oh, and I was glad to see that Vick's career is over after having been in jail for 2 years. We should all laugh at how stupid Philly was to sign him. I am so pissed that Campbell is still the starter, I don't know what to do.

Posted by: SkinzNWiz | August 28, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Someone wrote

stop with the flacco talk! the ravens ran the ball more than any other team in the league trying to protect their qb and have his as a game manager
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If you remember, Clinton was over 900 yards in 8 games. Oline injures may have played a part, but for the most part when teams discovered Campbell was not a game manager things went south. Collins could have been the shot in the arm to get them to the playoffs last year!

Posted by: SkinzNWiz | August 28, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

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