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By Cindy Boren  |  September 13, 2009; 7:20 PM ET
 
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Plays that cost the team the game:

1. The sack that led to the fumble touchdouwn.
2. Burning the timeouts early in the 3rd quarter.
3. Campbell throwing that other INT in the 2nd quarter instead of just running out of bounds.
3. Failing to take advantage of the DeAngelo Hall INT to get a touchdown.
4. The Santana Moss botched play early in the 1st quarter after the Portis run.
5. Repeating the same plays over and over again hoping for the same result.

So, again, as I analyze the loss, the Redskins lost the game because of stupid mistakes. They could very well have won this game but their offense failed to do anything.

The Giants dominated all aspects of the game. Their only fault is that they somehow allowed the Redskins to stay in the game. On their end a 23-17 win, while a win is still a win, should have been 30-10 win. But that doesn't matter because they still won.

The play of the game: The Campbell sack that resulted in that NYG touchdown.

Posted by: jiacinto | September 13, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

I repeat 6-10

Posted by: ItsOver1 | September 13, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth played well, he took the double teams, the ends did not take advantage. Orakpo needs to play DE Carter can't get to the QB, he was 1 on 1 all day. AH is not a sack machine he is there to stuff up the middle and let the other guys get sacks, the other guys didn't do there jobs.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 13, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is trying hard not to rip this team...


Posted by: rickyroge | September 13, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

The real question you should be asking fans is when will Zorn be fired. This guy should be coaching high school football. I give him 8 games and he gets fired

Posted by: mike1ad | September 13, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who put "he's improving" PLEASE tell me how. He is still holding the ball wayyyy too long and he is so unaware of the things happening around him. He can't make decisions fast enough. And crossing the line of scrimmage and then throwing a pick??? He is not very smart.. the fumble returned for TD was on JC. Line gave him time, he was just too slow, like he is on every play.

I was all for giving him this season to show us, but I really don't see it happening.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 13, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

that was so dang frustrating....why did they run the ball so predictably....why did they try so many gadget plays...why no passes to kelly/thomas....it just seems so simple..spread the ball around, go right at their weakness....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 13, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

JC's sack that made him fumble, that was not a sack Samuels had taken his guy out of the play JC needs to step up faster and control the ball. That play was JC fault, he had time to throw today he holds the ball to long waiting for a wide open receiver.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 13, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Sign Jeff Garcia!

Posted by: brian58 | September 13, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is trying hard not to rip this team...


Posted by: rickyroge | September 13, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's time he did. They're grown men, they can take it.

Posted by: fan-o-matic | September 13, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

I don't care if we run it ONE TIME, against the rams, throw the gash-dang ball, its a gash dang passing league...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 13, 2009 7:21 PM

Thank you Greg. The Giants were riped for the skins to attack their secondary. This offense will not progress until other teams become concerned about the skins passing attack.

Posted by: TWISI | September 13, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | September 13, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Zorn's post game comment "Jason has a brilliant game"

Posted by: mmz114 | September 13, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

I dont know if you guys noticed, but the Giants did not complete ONE third and short. Haynesworth played great today.

Posted by: mardiros | September 13, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Still predicting 3-1 at the quarter pole...i counted this game as a loss.

The extremely frustrating part is i don't feel like the Redskins competed well today. Players missed tackles, didn't make plays, and the offensive and defensive play calling sucked equally. Well not equally. 1st and goal followed by portis left no gain, portis left no gain, time out, incomplete throw away because everyone is covered can not be matched in complete ineptitude. That's peeweesque.

Good news for Zorn and JC: Brennan is already on the IR list and nobody even knows the practice squad guy.

And despite how horribly redskins planned, called and played, this game was actually winnable midway through the 4th.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 13, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

JZ on the post game live talking about Moss being taken out of the game: "They doubled teamed him with a safety over the top". WTF we know this already. Time to dial up plays where they can take advantage when defenses play like that.

Posted by: TWISI | September 13, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Tell You About It?

Well, last year's offense looks like this year's offense.

The team drafted three pass catchers in '08 who continue to underwhelm.

Haynesworth's addition has not impressed the way Jake Grove's would have.

The redskins are a left-handed running team.

Mitchell, Marko?: the unknown Nevada rookie continues to succeed in being unknown.

The touchdown drive at the end of the game should be the style of offense for the whole game for the rest of the season.

Or at least until Jason Campbell is released.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 13, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

twis, I mean, you attack an opponents weakness right....they had their starting cb's on the shelf....again, JC should have thrown it 50 times today....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 13, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

It's just sad. Campbell has no confidence and seems lost out there. Zorn's play calling is terrible. The opponent's Defense is never off balance. They know what the Skins are going to do and that is the last thing that Campbell needs. Heyer is not an NFL starter on any team but the Redskins. He stinks. Every running play is to the left at Dockery and Samuels. Every first down is RUN.

Campbell has demonstrated over a number of years now that he is never going to be a stud NFL QB. He's got a rocket arm but he's clueless and scared. Zorn says he trusts Campbell but then his play calling is so super-conservative that they guy is always facing third and 7 or 8.

Sad to see a team with so much potential bogged down by a head coach who's over his head and a QB who is so mediocre. Both are very nice people, but they ain't getting it done.

Posted by: dlenehan | September 13, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

another brilliant post! why not try play calling! (sarcasm!)

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 13, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Well, there are 15 games left on the schedule.

Losing to the Ginas in NJ isn't what bothers me; the way they performed - particularly JC - bothers me.

He seems as clueless as ever.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 13, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why you guys are so mad...my fantasy football opponent has the Giants D and I was counting on Santana to do SOMETHING! 6 f-ing yards? I had Devery Henderson on my bench for this jerk and he gives me 6 f-ing yards? Then Anthony Gonzalez goes down and I'm actually in tight spot this week despite having Drew Brees go nuts on Detroit. I will NEVER draft another Redskin in fantasy football again!

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 13, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

the play calling from zorn and blache were horrible, ive seen high school coaches more creative on offense and blache must be blind because the turnovers came on blitzes, which is something they rarely did?!?!

Posted by: hillb03 | September 13, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

My prediction still stands. With no OL to protect him, diminished abilities both at left tackle, right guard, plus Moss who many now believe rates below ARE? Starting running back's ability diminished.

At this point I would start Kelly and Marko Williams put ARE in the slot and get Fred Davis out there more.

I would sign another OT perhaps a guard. They desperately need help there.

Not sure where Vinny stands but I am assuming that Zorn was in large part his idea. Vinny needs to step up now because Snidely (Snyder) thinks an awful lot like many of the chimps on here with there long litanies : "we need a beast on the DL forget OL, Hall is better than Shawn Springs".

I still suspect that Snyder will fire Zorn and bench Campbell if they lose 3 in a row. That will effectively end the season ... and possibly any future season for this team for a long while.

Posted by: periculum | September 13, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

This game makes it obvious why the Skins waived Chase Daniel and put Colt Brennan on the IR. After another mediocre Campbell performance, if either one of those guys were still around fans would be begging for either of them to play. Campbell would be boo'ed out of FEDEX after playing like this again next week. But without the option, we just get to sit through another subpar year, because nobody wants to see Todd Collins.

Posted by: wfchez | September 13, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

See what Eli Manning had to say to the media today.

Q: You had such a good comfort level with Plaxico and Amani, how different has it been for you this summer?
A: There are a lot of new faces out there. We have some rookies who are up to par on what’s going on. But we still have guys who have been here, guys who have played and started and know the offense well. It’s a matter of adjusting to do what they do well, run the routes that they feel comfortable with and do best.

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Look at what BBM says about his WRs. Zorn could use some coaching from Eli!!

We did/are not using our WRs or Davis in O playcalling. Zorn sucks!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 13, 2009 7:26 PM

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 13, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

I am personally sick of the Reskins losing games. It has been 16 years and counting. This team is considered the joke of the NFC East. Clearly the Redskins were not prepared to win and that makes the Vinny Cerrato personally responsible because he hired the coach and selected the players. There is a culture of losing around the Redskins that will not change until the management changes and that won't happen until Daniel Snyder admits that he made a mistake. Unfortunately, ownership will not change so we are stuck with this losing culture..all I know is that I am sick of it!

Posted by: Portcity1 | September 13, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Zorn's post game comment "Jason has a brilliant game"

Posted by: mmz114

What. Now we have a STUPID head coach. Stupider than our QB. What a joke. I'm sure Coach is just trying to keep his QB's confidence high.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 13, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

we just get to sit through another subpar year, because nobody wants to see Todd Collins.

Posted by: wfchez | September 13, 2009 7:35 PM |
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If JC is struggling again next week against the Lambs, then I definitely want to see Collins. By the second half.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 13, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

"I dont know if you guys noticed, but the Giants did not complete ONE third and short."

No, I didn't notice that.

I did notice the long, time-consuming drive in the third quarter that ate a ton of time off the clock.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 13, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

No reason to hang the season up after one game. I don't think anyone expected a win in New York. We will be three and one after week four.
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The Chiefs played very well against the Ravens today and held their own, even though they lost. Detroit put 27 points their loss to the Saints. Only the Rams stunk up the joint. But I think that it's foolhardy to think that both KC and DET will be easy wins. Both teams, especially if they are winless, will be out for blood.

Posted by: jiacinto | September 13, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

"I dont know if you guys noticed, but the Giants did not complete ONE third and short."

No, I didn't notice that.

I did notice the long, time-consuming drive in the third quarter that ate a ton of time off the clock.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 13, 2009 7:38 PM

I know our defense sucks. I'm just saying stop all the hate for Hayneworth.

Posted by: mardiros | September 13, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Jeff George is still out there. Be careful or you might get what you wish for.

Posted by: periculum | September 13, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm still laughing at the fact that Jim Zorn said JC had a "BRILLIANT" game.. is it April's fool?

Posted by: rachel216 | September 13, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Zorn just said, "we were in the game the whole way."

Funny, it didn't feel that way to me.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 13, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Time for Zorn to go!! I been a big supporter of JC but I am starting to learn towards jumping out of that car.

Posted by: jm220 | September 13, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

mrredskin21

"If JC is struggling again next week against the Lambs, then I definitely want to see Collins...."


Campbell's leash should be long enough to get him to the 8th game of the season.

And if the cluelessness, off-target passing, and failure to do the small things right continues, how do you lose by putting in Collins?

(I mean, on third and short, the jints overloaded the right side of the skins offense and Campbell checked off to a dive play to that side--WTF???)

Let 8 games go by--and if things stay the same, pull his card.


Posted by: MistaMoe | September 13, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

The defense wasn't that bad. They had two sacks(one was not recorded because the skins took the penalty), one interception, one forced fumble. They gave up one touchdown. They have to get off the field in third and long situations. They'll improve.

Posted by: TWISI | September 13, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

The team drafted three pass catchers in '08 who continue to underwhelm

Moe, gotta disagree here...can't underwhelm if they don't throw you the ball...my slow white backside could have gotten open underneath...kelly after impressing in the preseason had 1 ball thrown his way....1....playcalling doomed this game....

lets put it this way, if the redskins trotted out Smoot, and either Barnes or Tryon at CB, what would you do as the other team....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 13, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Matt Mosley:

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- It's been a year since the Redskins and Giants met in the Meadowlands to begin the season. But Sunday's outcome indicated that not all that much has changed.

The Giants raced out to a 17-0 lead before the Redskins finally showed signs of life late in the first half. In reality, it never seemed like the Redskins were truly in the game. Quarterback Jason Campbell wasn't awful Sunday, but he made two costly mistakes in the first half that the Skins couldn't overcome. And credit the Giants' defense with a dominating performance. After missing an entire season with a knee injury, defensive end Osi Umenyiora didn't waste any time making an impact. He caused a fumble by Campbell in the second quarter and then scooped it up and ran 37 yards for a touchdown. That play gave the Giants a seemingly comfortable lead.

The Redskins made a goal-line stand in the first half, but the offense couldn't feed off that momentum. Giants cornerback Corey Webster made a brilliant interception that thwarted one Redskins job in the first half. Overall, the Giants simply had too much firepower on defense. Because of injuries, Giants undrafted rookie cornerback Bruce Johnson had to play a vital role in the nickel package. But the Redskins weren't able to capitalize on the Giants' lack of depth at corner. The Redskins couldn't sustain their running game in the second half, in part, because new defensive tackles Chris Canty and Rocky Bernard wouldn't let them.

I thought it was a pretty inauspicious debut for Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth. The Giants were getting rid of the ball so quickly that Haynesworth wasn't much of a factor. He limped off the field a couple of times and looked frustrated most of the afternoon. I'm sure he'll improve as he gets more comfortable in the defense, but there's not a lot of time for that.

Don' t let the final score fool you. The Giants had this one under control from the start.

Tom Coughlin will find plenty to complain about, but he won't apologize for a hard-fought win over a re-stocked division rival. I'll head down to the locker room and try to come up with some solid material. We'll talk soon.

Posted by: periculum | September 13, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Being in New York, I watched Mark Sanchez have a decent first game as a Jet.

Now I suppose Jay Cutler will have a good game tonight.

Suddenly those two possible offseason moves don't look as strange as they did at the time.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 13, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Jeff Garcia. West Coast Veteran. Forget Campbell. He's gone. Get somebody in here to win games til we draft and start over next year. Campbell is a joke!

Posted by: brian58 | September 13, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

"I'm sure he'll improve as he gets more comfortable in the defense, but there's not a lot of time for that"

um....wasn't this the first game of the season??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 13, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

REPOST of half-time and end of game tales. Looks like most of you agree with me.

Half-time:

Let's see. I said special teams and the o-line would determine the game. Chaulk up seven for the teams, and the o-line has performed very well. So why are our heroes down by 10?

1- That #1 draft pick for next year hasn't been put in the defensive backfield, namely CB. I knew 'LOS would not play and that HALL and SMOOT would let us down.

2- Too much time and an unawareness of onrushing linemen. CAMPBELL puts the ball on the ground instead of moving in the pocket. The day of the statuesque q-back is gone. I am right there with SNYDER and CERRATO - now, I wasn't at all before. I see what they were driving at. I was willing to give JASON the benefit of the doubt, but he's asking the o-line to hold out d-lineman too long. Decisions, decisions, decisions, made too slow. And I don't think it will improve much.

3- Coaching. Keep going to the well until you get burned. Where's the back-up when ARE and COOLEY are covered? Where's KELLY or MITCHELL? Lets put some pressure on those d-backs with some striders with height like the G-men are doing to our CB's.

END OF GAME:

Hey, we lose. What's new? And by the score I anticipated in the poll - dammit!!!! I hate being right.

Next year, DON'T PANIC. Stay the course. Replace SUISHAM with an elite FA kicker, draft a #1 CB, draft a #2 o-tackle, a #4 o-tackle, cut CARTWRIGHT and let MASON play in his place.

Keep CAMPBELL until ZORN is gone whenever that is or by 2011 at the latest, then bring in SHANAHAN if he's still around. Wouldn't surprise me if he isn't on a REDSKINS retainer already. In 2011, draft a #1 Q-back, FA runner, cut BETTS, and go from there.

This defense is fine other than CB. By the end of the season, they should be a beast. Meanwhile SHAWN SPRINGS, D.C. turns its lonely eyes to you.

P.S.

The poll lumped HAYNESWORTH and HALL together with a simple "yes" or "no." I had to say "yes", but I want to 'splain. HAYNESWORTH will change his name to a nick-name, "MONEYSWORTH" in my mind. HALL on the other hand will never be more than a second-rate clowning DB whenever LANDRY gives him a gift. Can't tackle, can't cover. What a waste of 50 mill. So I say "no" to MeANGELO and draft the #1 CB in the next draft.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 13, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Question #2 is unfair to Haynesworth.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 13, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Campbell apologists cannot blame our O-Line anymore. They played stout on the pass. Osi's sack was all on Campbell. He had an empty front lawn with a burgundy and gold picket fence in front of him on that play, and he just wouldn't step up.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 13, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Have to unfortunately concur with BTG ...

This team is built to pass. Portis is basically ineffective. Given this game and last year's last 8-9. The OL is aging and injured. This is not a physical enough OL at this point to run the ball. I would just throw on every down.


The passes to Cooley, ARE and Betts looked effective. If that can be used to set up longer passes instead of the run. And I would tend to play Marko more and Moss less until he makes something happen. ARE did today.

Posted by: periculum | September 13, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

O-line: Pass blocking was decent, run blocking was terrible

QB: JC needs to step up. That fumble could have been easily avoided. The INT was absolutely stupid. I mean, illegal forward pass...seriously?

Defense: Secondary was horrendous.

Zorn: Terrible play calling. Was 50-50 for run-pass. Should have been at least 60-40 pass-run.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 13, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth played well, he took the double teams, the ends did not take advantage.

Yeah, but he's there to disrupt things too. Collapse the pocket, et cetera.

Not much disrupting.

Quick passes and routes is what we'll see from opposing offenses all year.

It's a speed game more and more.

Posted by: SteveMG | September 13, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

beantown

Point-taken about the '08 draft recievers.

It kills to see Manningham, Eddie Royal, DeSean Jackson, Limas Sweed, and other receivers from that class on the field making plays while our guys collect checks.

'Cuz that's all they're doing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 13, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Campbell apologists cannot blame our O-Line anymore.

From Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch.

Posted by: periculum | September 13, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Good God, it's only one game, defense concerns me the most, very disappointing play from the defense, they didn't give up a lot of points(only one touchdown)but they couldn't cover a bed.
What every happened to pressing WRs and knocking them off their routes, this was way too easy for Eli.

Posted by: craig2 | September 13, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

who gives a crap how many times you run it?? throw the flang-danging ball, you think the pats, colts, saints, or cowboys cared how many times they ran it??

ufb....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 13, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have FIREZIMZORN email add?

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | September 13, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

t kills to see Manningham, Eddie Royal, DeSean Jackson, Limas Sweed, and other receivers from that class on the field making plays while our guys collect checks.

'Cuz that's all they're doing.


Posted by: MistaMoe

That's because their coaches are smart enought to throw them the ball and our coach is not.

Posted by: jm220 | September 13, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Repost:

How do you give your QB an opportunity to make plays when your playcalling is 100% predictable?

This game is simple - they started out well, ARE F'd up on the 2nd play, JZ got extremely conservative.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | September 13, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | September 13, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have FIREZIMZORN email add?

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan

I snarfed my Corona on that one. Funny stuff.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 13, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

moe, kind of my point, with JC and MK looking much improved in the pre, why 1 pass in his direction all fling-flanging game long? why NONE in the direction of DT??

inexcusable.....an absolute waste, this team was RIPE for the picking, and we played into their hands....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 13, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Being in New York, I watched Mark Sanchez have a decent first game as a Jet.

Now I suppose Jay Cutler will have a good game tonight.

Suddenly those two possible offseason moves don't look as strange as they did at the time.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 13, 2009 7:47 PM


This ain't Madden, bro. Those two teams put a line in front of their QBs. The Skins don't. JC isn't without blame, but I guarantee you neither QB does any better.

And JC saw the Giants D. Sanchez saw the Texans. Nuff said.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 13, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

didnt have to, they were completing 2nd and long.
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"I dont know if you guys noticed, but the Giants did not complete ONE third and short."

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 13, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth played well...he definitely dominated the inside and was a big part of the goal line stand

Got nothing out of the DEs...especially Orakpo. Redskins need to end his LB experiemnt and let the kid play DE full time

Hall on the other hand couldn't cover abd couldn't tackle. His only INT has more to do with landry than him...although I admit Rogers would have probably dropped that int if it were him instead of hall

Posted by: mmz114 | September 13, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Campbell apologists cannot blame our O-Line anymore.

I'd like to sell you Key Bridge, easy access to Georgetown.


Heyer looks confused

September 13, 2009 6:28 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- On the biggest play of the game for the Skins' offense, right tackle Stephon Heyer couldn't find a way to deal with defensive end Justin Tuck. You can tell Heyer has pretty good feet, but all the movement and games the Giants are playing at the line of scrimmage is throwing him off.

And welcome to the Meadowlands, Chris Canty. The Cowboys-turned-Giant blew that third-and-8 play up with his penetration up the middle. The sight of Canty flying by pretty much caused Campbell to double pump. That gave Tuck time to close in for the sack. Canty won't get a lot of sacks in this defense, but if he disrupts plays like that one, he'll earn his big money.

Posted by: periculum | September 13, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

I thought the OLine held up well.. His double pump and/or wind up is sandlot style that gives DBs plenty of time to recover from any separation the WR might of gained..
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Campbell apologists cannot blame our O-Line anymore. They played stout on the pass. Osi's sack was all on Campbell. He had an empty front lawn with a burgundy and gold picket fence in front of him on that play, and he just wouldn't step up.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 13, 2009 7:52 PM | R

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 13, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Campbell needs to be benched. He might actually see what he is doing wrong from the bench and get his swagger(if he ever had it) back. He is so average, as are many players, Cooley(slow, never runs away from anyone close by), CP(1/2 step slow looks like to me) Rock, Betts is below average. Moss is older too. Don't get me started on the 3 draft picks.
All those calling for JZ to be fired. Set the pipe down..move slowly away from all the drugs. Seriously. Don't you think if he had a legit QB he'd be more creative? He is hamstrung by JC!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 13, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

...oh come on this game wasnt even close. The Skins are an embarrassment. The Redskins lost the game because they have subpar talent and numerous holes throughout the roster, both starters and backups. Still no pass rush from the front four, poor tackling CBs, no threat to score from the kick return team, O-line who can no longer run block, a running back who no longer has a 2nd gear (with nobody any better behind him), and a dreadful quarterback. This all comes from having the worst GM and evaluator of talent in the entire league. Its no wonder Zorn has no confidence is his offense.

Posted by: oddjob2 | September 13, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins lose to the Rams...do ya'll think we see Collins in week 3?

Posted by: rickyroge | September 13, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

This ain't Madden, bro. Those two teams put a line in front of their QBs. The Skins don't. JC isn't without blame, but I guarantee you neither QB does any better.

And JC saw the Giants D. Sanchez saw the Texans. Nuff said.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 13, 2009 7:58 PM |
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No, it isn't Madden. But Sanchez is a rookie, JC a 5 year vet.

And as for "putting an O-line in front of those guys," the Bears haven't played yet.

"JC isn't without blame" is the understatement of the day (if not the month).

He's intellectually stunted. He's 5 years in this league, 2 in the same system, and he still burns timeouts because he can't manage the clock, he holds the ball too long (and too low), he calls an audible - a draw to Betts - on 3 & 8.

He's clueless. And that's not his O-line's fault.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 13, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

I think I agree 1965...

I'm not ready to pull the plug on Zorn...just yet

JC wasn't his QB

Posted by: rickyroge | September 13, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Key to the game:

20 minutes of the game had elapsed before Zorn instituted his actual offense. New York had run 28 offensive plays by the time the 10 minute mark hit in the second quarter -- the Redskins had run 7. Those seven plays?

- 1st and 10 at WAS 29 (7:32) C.Portis left guard pushed ob at NYG 37 for 34 yards (M.Johnson).

- 1st and 10 at NYG 37 (7:04) A.Randle El sacked at NYG 48 for -11 yards (sack split by C.Blackburn and J.Tuck).

- 2nd and 21 at NYG 48 (6:17) C.Portis up the middle to NYG 45 for 3 yards (A.Pierce).

- 3rd and 18 at NYG 45 (5:30) (Shotgun) J.Campbell pass short left to C.Cooley to NYG 38 for 7 yards (B.Johnson). FUMBLES (B.Johnson), ball out of bounds at NYG 38. PUNT

- 1st and 10 at WAS 3 (14:54) C.Portis left tackle to WAS 3 for no gain (D.Clark).

- 2nd and 10 at WAS 3 (14:24) C.Portis left tackle to WAS 3 for no gain (J.Tuck).

- 3rd and 10 at WAS 3 (13:58) C.Portis left tackle to WAS 6 for 3 yards (K.Phillips). PUNT

Five Portis runs, a failed endaround pass, and a screen to Chris Cooley on a 3rd and 18. Those plays ran a grand total of 3:48 off the clock. The Giants ran 28 plays, and killed 16:12 off the clock.

You trying to figure out why the defense was so tired at the end of the game? Because they failed to get the Giants off the field to start the game, and the offense failed to resemble any sort of drive.

Posted by: psps23 | September 13, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Campbell was not very good. But zorn was just terrible. You do NOT have to run every first down. Play calling in the red zone sucked too. No plays for Malcolm or Devin. So predictable. I'm losing my ability to defend zorn. He's got to be better.

Posted by: AdamCr | September 13, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Zorn should assign someone else to call plays and coach whole team. Who calls a trick play on second play of season afyter just smacking them in the mouth with a bread and butter play. Run the plays you have practiced all off season and game planned PER YOUR TALENT AND THE WEAKNESESS OF YOUR OPPINENT!

F Zorn.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 13, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Frank H was just on 980 and said he is not a play called but sitting up in the box and watching the game he could see the bad play calling by Zorn.

Posted by: jm220 | September 13, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Frank H was just on 980 and said he is not a play called but sitting up in the box and watching the game he could see the bad play calling by Zorn.

Posted by: jm220 | September 13, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Um...huh?

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | September 13, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

You have to ask yourself, after 10 years and numerous coaches and quarterbacks (all of who consistently pass for 100 meaningful yards a game), why do we keep repeating the past? Like any good company, it all starts at the top, and we've got a front office that none of the other teams in the NFL would want. Sure we find some 7th round steals each year, but that's probably more Morocco Brown than Vinny C.

Posted by: Vinnymustgo | September 13, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

AdamCr - how can you defend Zorn any longer at all? I.e. how is your ability to defend Zorn not completely lost. He called the game so damn scared that he didn't give his offense any ability to do anything. You run a play the defense expects and it gets broken up every time. Period.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | September 13, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

As long as we play zone coverage,we will not stop a team this year. NY 's corners played at the line all game, and did not give us a chance to get seperation. You would think that Blanch would have learened somthing about defence watching the game, guess not. Play the big recivers, and watch us win the game. Use the pass to setup the run.These coachs are a joke, I have seen better teaching in youth football. WHAT A F ING JOKE!!!

Posted by: gregblanchsucks | September 13, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

you guys saying JZ called bad plays make me laugh. The players, if they actually would run the plays maybe they'd work. You are also the same ones that loathe the west coast O and want a ground game until it doesn't work, then say JZ called a bad game. UFB! A collective, pull your heads out!!!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 13, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | September 13, 2009 8:08 PM

OK but what about your boy?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 13, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

What's with the offense now? Just need more time, or JC has had too many Off coordinators???

If I see another useless screen pass to a wide rec for negative yardage, I'm going to puke until my mustache falls off.

Although JC will usually have decent stats, for whatever reason he can't deliver when it's on the line. This is not a rookie we are talking about here...

Posted by: wizard5 | September 13, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm suprised there is still so many excuses for JC. His O line gave him time today, that's all you can ask for!!!!!

Posted by: rachel216 | September 13, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Zorn should assign someone else to call plays and coach whole team.

Hmmm, interesting thought. My take on this is who else would call the plays? Certainly not Sherman Smith?

What you are calling for appears to be for a new offensive coordinator?

If this is the case I think I agree. As someone mentioned I don't see Zorn using the talent he has been given. I really don't care if Gibbs drafted Jason Campbell he has the same problems with Collins, and Colt had some bad moments in pre-season. Zorn himself wasn't the best QB in the world in Seattle. But first and foremost claiming that this OL with Heyer and Thomas (because of injury) is fine? Is okay? No, Jim Zorn its not.

Posted by: periculum | September 13, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

why not..?? He is 4-0 in the regular season as a Skin. Problem is.. Snyder put no money into the Offense this year.. No FA's (Dock was waived)...no Draft.. Could he possibly be looking to 2010 and a high draft pick? The greatest QB draft class since Elway and Marino?
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If the Skins lose to the Rams...do ya'll think we see Collins in week 3?

Posted by: rickyroge | September 13, 2009 8:03 PM |

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 13, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm ready to go ! First, JC has to go !

Posted by: mikeshanahanenjoyedthegame | September 13, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I have an idea! Before we go to far let's renegotiate everyone's contract. Win one you get 1/16 of the deal. Loose one you don't. It goes into a charity pot for local needs.
Motivation is needed to get this team up and running! Pun intended.

Posted by: kidvid | September 13, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm suprised there is still so many excuses for JC. His O line gave him time today, that's all you can ask for!!!!!

Posted by: rachel216 | September 13, 2009

It may be kind of hard to see Rachel but it looks like some folks were watching and picked up on just how poor a game they really had:

Heyer looks confused

September 13, 2009 6:28 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- On the biggest play of the game for the Skins' offense, right tackle Stephon Heyer couldn't find a way to deal with defensive end Justin Tuck. You can tell Heyer has pretty good feet, but all the movement and games the Giants are playing at the line of scrimmage is throwing him off.

And welcome to the Meadowlands, Chris Canty. The Cowboys-turned-Giant blew that third-and-8 play up with his penetration up the middle. The sight of Canty flying by pretty much caused Campbell to double pump. That gave Tuck time to close in for the sack. Canty won't get a lot of sacks in this defense, but if he disrupts plays like that one, he'll earn his big money.

Posted by: periculum | September 13, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm ready to go ! First, JC has to go !

Posted by: mikeshanahanenjoyedthegame | September 13, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

1965 - you don't think Zorn's horrific playcalling had anything to do with the bad production from the offense? You actually believe we can run any play the defense is expecting and still have it be successful? Are you kidding me? Part of being a playcaller is knowing what the defense is expecting and calling the opposite.

JZ demonstrated today that he hasn't learned anything over a year. No matter what you say about JC not learning anything over the course of a year, saying the same with an inexperienced HC/OC is worse. JZ has more to learn by definition and he proved he can't learn.

When you run no plays to try and get your new weapons involved, you're terrible. When you constantly run on first down to where the most stupid observer can predict your playcalling, you're terrible. When you continue running the ball for 0-2 yards when at least 3.34 are needed per play to get a first down on every series, you're terrible. Period.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | September 13, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

And as for "putting an O-line in front of those guys," the Bears haven't played yet.

"JC isn't without blame" is the understatement of the day (if not the month).

He's intellectually stunted. He's 5 years in this league, 2 in the same system, and he still burns timeouts because he can't manage the clock, he holds the ball too long (and too low), he calls an audible - a draw to Betts - on 3 & 8.

He's clueless. And that's not his O-line's fault.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 13, 2009 8:05 PM


Clueless QBs can't complete 19 of 26 passes. I know he's underwhelming, but JC isn't the lone reason for this loss. Just because the line isn't as bad as it was the end of last year doesn't mean it's not still bad. The coach is clearly in over his head. I would bet every dollar I have that if you pull JC and put another competent QB in the game, he struggles the same way JC does. Guaranteed. You can get Cutler, Sanchez, f-ing Marino in his prime and you can count on your same 8-8 result and underwhelming offense.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 13, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Mike Shanahan will be in DC by " WEEK " SIX !

Posted by: mikeshanahanenjoyedthegame | September 13, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Brownwood.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | September 13, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

I wouldnt beat up Zorn.. He doesnt buy the groceries.. And probably knows JC's limitations.. Who knows, he may of told Dan to pursue Sanchez..

Think about it.. Zorn had a full season with JC behind him when Dan started trying to deal JC..

As Zorn is considered in the top 5 of QB coaches.. I am sure Dan consulted him before the trade attempts..

My respect has now increased for the other 31 GMs that wouldnt trade more than a 3rd round pick for JC last March..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 13, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Our defence could not stop the Giants,we played right into there hands. Just keep them in front of us and we will win. The d line could not put pressure on Eli,and with our corners playing 10 yards off the ball. He picked us apart.

Posted by: gregblanchsucks | September 13, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Mike Shanahan will be in DC by " WEEK " SIX !

Posted by: mikeshanahanenjoyedthegame | September 13, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Mike Shanahan phone just "RANG" !

Posted by: mikeshanahanenjoyedthegame | September 13, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

jesusfreak,
yes i think you call plays that you think will be succesful given the talent you have to beat the team in front of you. I'm suggesting the players he has to coach are mediocre at best and therefore virtually any play he calls will look bad. If JC were a better QB with a quick read and release, the Oline would magically become better, the sacks would go down, and even the running game, with a step slower CP would improve. That's why they wanted another QB. Nobody wanted JC.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 13, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

If JC is so limited, then how did he get us to 6-2 last year? I'm thoroughly curious. Beyond that - even if you want to say that JC is "limited" then you push the damn limitations. You don't run continuously when it's not working. That is just STUPID.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | September 13, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

perky, you keep harping on that one play. Heyer was not the problem today.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 13, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

AdamCr - how can you defend Zorn any longer at all? I.e. how is your ability to defend Zorn not completely lost. He called the game so damn scared that he didn't give his offense any ability to do anything. You run a play the defense expects and it gets broken up every time. Period.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | September 13, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

I was being kind is how. But it's one game. What happened to the plays he called against pittsburgh and the pats? I know it was preseason but this was a sad joke. He doesn't seem to have learned much from last year.

Posted by: AdamCr | September 13, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Campbell checked in to a run to Betts on 3rd and 8!!!

I like JC as much as the next guy, but let's face it, this is his 5th year in the league and it's pretty obvious he isn't going to amount to anything in this league.

Posted by: hender_22 | September 13, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Campbell checked in to a run to Betts on 3rd and 8!!!

I like JC as much as the next guy, but let's face it, this is his 5th year in the league and it's pretty obvious he isn't going to amount to anything in this league.

Posted by: hender_22 | September 13, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Alot of those completions and yards were worthless. Before the 1st down marker or when the game was out of hand and the DBs were playing soft (ie. Cooleys TD). Even the commentators were confused why he was throwing short when the Skins needed points in the fourth.
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Clueless QBs can't complete 19 of 26 passes. I know he's underwhelming, but JC isn't the lone reason for this loss. Just because the line isn't as bad as it was the end of last year doesn't mean it's not still bad. The coach is clearly in over his head. I would bet every dollar I have that if you pull JC and put another competent QB in the game, he struggles the same way JC does. Guaranteed. You can get Cutler, Sanchez, f-ing Marino in his prime and you can count on your same 8-8 result and underwhelming offense.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 13, 2009 8:20 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 13, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

As Zorn is considered in the top 5 of QB coaches.. I am sure Dan consulted him before the trade attempts..

HUH!??

Joe Gibbs QB's:

Fouts, D. Williams, Theismann, Schroeder, Rypien, Humpheries (won SB with SD Chargers) to name a few.

Jim Zorn winning QB's??????? SB QBS????

Posted by: periculum | September 13, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

We covered 6.5 and we still stink. F this team and anyone who keeps apologizing or making excuses. We are a .500 team forever.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | September 13, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Wanna laugh:

1st, look at this video

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-training-camps/09000d5d811da06e/All-Access-DeAngelo-Hall

& then add footage of today's game w/ him whiffing on tackles and trailing receivers.

Funny right?

Posted by: bernard_thompson | September 13, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Campbell checked in to a run to Betts on 3rd and 8!!!

I like JC as much as the next guy, but let's face it, this is his 5th year in the league and it's pretty obvious he isn't going to amount to anything in this league.

Posted by: hender_22 | September 13, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

brownwood,

the stats don't mean mieda. The late TD was during a prevent D meant to prevent nothing, just burn clock. Stats are often meaningless.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 13, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Campbell checked in to a run to Betts on 3rd and 8!!!

I like JC as much as the next guy, but let's face it, this is his 5th year in the league and it's pretty obvious he isn't going to amount to anything in this league.

Posted by: hender_22 | September 13, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Sonny Jurgensen made an interesting comment at halftime about JC. In a roundabout way, he noted that Jason Campbell does not do a good job looking beyond the first option in his progression during pass plays. And I have noticed that when he gets rid of the ball quickly (first option), he looks comfortable... but any hesitation due to coverage (needing to go through progression) and he seems to freeze up.

My take is that the Skins are a potentially good team, with 3 major weaknesses:
1 - Jason Campbell (reading progressions)
2 - Offensive line (inconsistencies)
3 - Secondary (plays extremely soft and give 15+ yards cushion to even average receivers)
4 - Play calling does not adjust accordingly

Overall, I expect another mediocre 8-8 season where Skins win 1-2 games unexpectedly against better competition, and lose at least 1-2 games against inferior teams (Rams, Detroit, etc).

I am a Skins fan, but until I see this team play a consistent brand of football, with a true identity, I will reamain a "sad" fan. At least I am no longer a mad fan (I have all but given up on the team).

Posted by: sadskin | September 13, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

perky, you keep harping on that one play. Heyer was not the problem today.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 13, 2009

Guess Moseley and half the commentators are wrong? And of course scouts.com ranking system and analysis is wrong? But if its on RI its right ..

sheesh.

Posted by: periculum | September 13, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

I still stand by my post, Peri, shut the F up!

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 13, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is trying hard not to rip this team...


Posted by: rickyroge | September 13, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse


Why?

He's not running a hospital for terminal children.

He's running a pro football team, and they looked like CRAP.

Jason Campbell played like CRAP.

DeAngelo Hall covered like CRAP.

Brian Orakpo was a NON-FACTOR.

Pretty much looked like the season opener last year...

Posted by: p1funk | September 13, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

The coach is clearly in over his head. I would bet every dollar I have that if you pull JC and put another competent QB in the game, he struggles the same way JC does. Guaranteed. You can get Cutler, Sanchez, f-ing Marino in his prime and you can count on your same 8-8 result and underwhelming offense.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 13, 2009 8:20 PM |
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"Struggles?"

He's not struggling, he turned the ball over (twice), called two timeouts they could have used at the end of the game because he can't manage the clock, and he called a bizarre audible to Betts on 3 & 8.

I'm listening to NYC sports radio right now, and the host said the Giants shouldn't feel that good about the win because "the Redskins play a QB who doesn't have enough sense to step up in the pocket. You learn that in Pop Warner."

JC isn't just getting skewered in the DC region; he's a league joke after today.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 13, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

1956 - your theory is nice, but it doesn't work. We were believed to have new weapons at WR, while the Gints were extremely thin in their secondary. So we don't throw the ball until the 3rd drive after 5 of the 6 run plays we just ran went nowhere. You can't defend that.

Part of being a coach is not only knowing your own team's strengths and weaknesses, but knowing those of your opponent. We did not try to exploit the Gints weaknesses in any way. We did not play tight coverage on their pathetic receivers. We also ran no plays to get MK, DT and MM involved. That is inexcusable.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | September 13, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

I like JC as much as the next guy, but let's face it, this is his 5th year in the league and it's pretty obvious he isn't going to amount to anything in this league.

Posted by: hender_22 | September 13, 2009 8:26 PM

the next guy does not like JC!

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 13, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

I think 6-2 last year was left over from the Gibbs structure.
Zorn doesnt seem to motivate or command respect the way Gibbs and his staff did. I remember a quote from Zorn saying he spent more time training his staff last year (he didnt have an organization when he was hired) than motivating or working with the team. Thats an amazing admission.
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If JC is so limited, then how did he get us to 6-2 last year? I'm thoroughly curious. Beyond that - even if you want to say that JC is "limited" then you push the damn limitations. You don't run continuously when it's not working. That is just STUPID.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | September 13, 2009 8:25 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 13, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

LONDON 'FREAKIN' FLETCHER HAD 18 TACKLES..... HOW DOES THIS GUY NEVER MAKE THE PRO BOWL!!!!!!!!!!!?

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | September 13, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

"OK but what about your boy?

Posted by: learnedhand1"

Campbell played bad, that's a given. Two really bad mistakes marred the game (sack/fumble and INT).

Other than that, he hit 73% of his passes for 8.1 yards per attempt (for frame of reference, that would have been good for second best in the league last season). There are people here screaming their heads off that apparently Campbell couldn't have been any worse, but the truth is that -- aside from those two mistakes -- there actually wasn't much room for improvement in moving the ball through the air. The real culprit handcuffing the offense was the running game. The first run of the game went for 34 yards to Portis. After that, Portis went for 28 yards on 15 carries (1.87 yards per carry). That's abysmal, and that's the main reason the offense was unable to sustain drives.

But the mistakes from Campbell are inexcusable at this point. That INT should never have been thrown, and he needs to step up on that sack/fumble. Those need to be eliminated, and quickly.

Posted by: psps23 | September 13, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Ryan O'Halloran:

But the Redskins couldn't cash in with a touchdown. Clinton Portis lost 6 yards, gained 10 back on a screen pass, and on third down from the 7 Justin Tuck got past Stephon Heyer to sack Campbell. Shaun Suisham hit a 27-yard field goal to give the Giants a 17-10 lead heading into the fourth quarter.

Posted by: periculum | September 13, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

1) Roger's dropped another int on the first drive.
2) Terrible second call on our first drive.
3) O'line played better than I expected and the problem there is they are only going to get worse as they wear down. So, we wasted a nice effort by them.
4) Absolutely horrendous play calling by Zorn.
5) Where is the leadership on offense? Where is the passion?
6) Backed up after defense made the 4th down stop and we played give up football to eventually give the Giants their first TD. It was obvious the defense was gassed and we HAD to get a 1st down there or the 4th down play was for naught.
7) Campbell's two turnovers were just terrible.
8) Cooley is the only person on offense worth a damn. Makes plays, is tough, and rarely makes mistakes. A winner!
9) Why accept that holding penalty in the 4th? We needed the time not the down. Typical lack of attention to detail.
10) Smoot and Hall are embarrassments both in coverage and in tackling.
11) Where was Orakpo?
12) Haynesworth did play well. Not great, but he is not a player that is not going to be gassed playing 10 mins of the first quarter of the first game of the season. And it did not get better from there.
13) Finally, everyone in here acts as if this act is new. I had no expectations this year as I've already stopped drinking the Kool-Aid. Sleeper wild card or division winner?! Yeah, right!

Posted by: rphilli721 | September 13, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse


Campbell checked in to a run to Betts on 3rd and 8!!!

I like JC as much as the next guy, but let's face it, this is his 5th year in the league and it's pretty obvious he isn't going to amount to anything in this league.


Posted by: hender_22 | September 13, 2009 8:26 PM |
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And that's just part of it. He's clueless.

And I am not a "JC-Hater" as many others on here are. I've had his back ever since he was drafted (check the blog posts and you'll see this is true).

But I'm no longer going to pretend (others can do that if they like) after today.

He's not a starting NFL QB.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 13, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Campbell looked dazed and confused at times today. He rushed throws, made questionable decisions and looked frazzled. It's understandable. Even Tom Brady would fold with the type of pressure he was facing. The Redskins could literally hire some security guards from a local mall and not fare much worse in pass pro.

With such a lack of protection, they can't afford to let Campbell drop so deep. The strip and TD by Umenyiora happened on a deep drop.

I thought that considering how much the defense was on the field and the field position they faced, they did quite well. Still, a few issues on D. Smoot and Hall looked like they were playing flag football at times and did not make solid tackles.

Still too early for people to be talking about bailing on this team. The schedule is favorable and maybe they can win a few games while they learn how to pass block.

Posted by: ellinwoods | September 13, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

I AM NOW READY TO FIRE ZORN AND CAMPBELL. I WILL NOT WATCH 15 MORE GAMES LIKE THIS ONE!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | September 13, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

jesusfreak,

you and I will agree to disagree probably. that's ok. I think the QB wouldn't start on any of the other teams in the league and you think the coach should get fired. I think another coach coming in would be useless unless he brings players with him that can play.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 13, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

PERICULUM,

I'm pretty sure Stan Humphries didn't win a SuperBowl w/ SD, but I get your point that you were making.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | September 13, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Peri,

Heyer gave up one sack, against the best D-line in the league.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 13, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo who?
Did Malcom Kelly play?
We had a good defense last year!
How good are the Giants?

Posted by: isnadd | September 13, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Let's once and for all stop kidding ourselves... look around the league at other young quarterbacks successes (including Mark Sanchez as an opening day rookie), Campbell is in his 5th year and he looks lost. I want him and Zorn gone - it's time for a new era for the Redskins.

Posted by: hender_22 | September 13, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Its so frustrating watching the 'skins fail year after year and looks like this year will be same. I really hate it when we get same old mediocre production from Campbell – he is the type that seem to try really hard but best he can manage is so-so medium. He’ll never win the championship for us. Its really too bad we couldn't get Cutler. But great thing is Campbell will be gone after this year so something to forward to next year when its un-capped year...

Posted by: sk9554 | September 13, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

ellin,

What game were you watching the offense of line did a great job in pass protection. JC needs to get the ball out quicker. 3-4 seconds is all you get.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 13, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Outside of Zorn's play calling, what upset me the most was after DHall's pick, on 1st down, Malcolm Kelly had a Corner in press coverage w/ NO FREAKING SAFETY over him and JC didn't audible out to him... We run Portis for a gain of one, and that was the last play they didn't have a safety over Kelly. It's like they knew what we were going to do.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | September 13, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Why do people keep using the excuse of "pressure" re Campbell's inept play?

Didn't any of those people watch the Steelers game Thursday night? Big Ben was sacked 4 times for 42 yards; he also bought time on several plays by STEPPING UP IN THE POCKET and working his pump-fake.

Just come to grips with it. JC isn't the answer.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 13, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone actually believe that our QB knows what the he!! he's doing out there? I think that it's pretty clear that JC isn't bright enough to be starting full time for a team with the legacy as the redskins. I really really hope that we plan on demoting his sorry a$$ next offseason.

Posted by: m_miller1808 | September 13, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

PERICULUM,

I'm pretty sure Stan Humphries didn't win a SuperBowl w/ SD, but I get your point that you were making.

CLEGG

True, but he did get them there.

Posted by: periculum | September 13, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

No NFL QB is going to win a championship playing behind that offensive line the way they were manhandled today.

Posted by: ellinwoods | September 13, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

This game changes nothing for me. I thought the Giants would win at home and they did. Although they tended to dominate, the Skins did keep it close and could have won the game. O-line needs to be better; JC did look a lot like last year, but posters here are overstating his shortcomings. He was, what?, 19 for 27 for 211 yards. D-line looked good; DBs allowed too many passes and were guilty of some weak tackling. This is not the end of the world. The Giants are one of the best teams. Next week the Skins will put it to the Rams and will be 1-1. They have time to improve. Calm down.

Posted by: 7snider7 | September 13, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

It does no good to activate MK, DT, FD or Mitchell if you are not going to use them. Two passes total to the four of them.

DT would have done much better than Rock on KR if given a chance. This team is coaching to not lose rather than to win games. Most of this game is on the offensive coaches w/JC next for lack of field leadership or awareness.

If the O is on the field for 5 plays in the 1st qtr, hard to blame the D for being gassed.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 13, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Clueless QBs can't complete 19 of 26 passes.

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Half those completions came when the Giants played prevent defense and we were down by more than one possession.

He is a clueless QB. The stats didn't show his unawareness when he fumbled. Or his cluelessness when he crossed the line of scrimmage then throws a pick when he should've ran out of bounds or threw it away. Like everyone else said, they'd take Eli over Jason today. Even though Jason was 19/26 and Eli was 20/29.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 13, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

the worst part of all this is we Skins fans are debating over tweedle dee and tweedle dumb instead of reveling in victory. The other sad truth is the best years of CP and Moss are gone, wasted on average offenses both with Gibbs and since.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 13, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Mike Shanahan phone just "RANG" !
'ring"
shanny: hello 7:05 pm
danny : mike 7:08
shanny: yeah 7:08
danny : mike 7:09
shanny: yeah 7:10
danny : you ready ? 7:11
shanny: hm ready. for what ? 7:11
danny : you want to be a redskin ? 7:12
shanny: second line 'Beeps" can you hold ?
danny : I'll tripple it ! 7:14
shanny: done deal danny 7:16


shanny:

Posted by: mikeshanahanenjoyedthegame | September 13, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Campbell looked dazed and confused at times today. He rushed throws, made questionable decisions and looked frazzled. It's understandable. Even Tom Brady would fold with the type of pressure he was facing. The Redskins could literally hire some security guards from a local mall and not fare much worse in pass pro.

With such a lack of protection, they can't afford to let Campbell drop so deep. The strip and TD by Umenyiora happened on a deep drop.

I thought that considering how much the defense was on the field and the field position they faced, they did quite well. Still, a few issues on D. Smoot and Hall looked like they were playing flag football at times and did not make solid tackles.

Still too early for people to be talking about bailing on this team. The schedule is favorable and maybe they can win a few games while they learn how to pass block.

Posted by: ellinwoods | September 13, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse
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Stop being an apologist. Did you watch the game? The offensive lines' pass protection was actually fairly decent. Couple of obvious third and longs thanks to Zorn's idiotic play calling that resulted in intense pressure. But, for the most part he had time. We should have passed virtually the entire game considering it was usually successful as opposed to Clinton's one yard runs. There were so many opportunities this game, but bad teams don't take advantage of them and good ones do.

Posted by: rphilli721 | September 13, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

flounder, seriously?

1. How do you know that's not play calling?
2. The O-line was ATROCIOUS today. Campbell was constantly having to dance in the pocket. So what if Heyer gave up "only one sack?" Hard to look downfield or throw with good mechanics when you are getting big pressure on nearly every drop.

Posted by: ellinwoods | September 13, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

"If the O is on the field for 5 plays in the 1st qtr, hard to blame the D for being gassed.

Posted by: Curzon417"

Sorry, but the defense gave up a 12 play drive before the offense even touched the ball. The defense gave up a 10 play drive on their second attempt. That has nothing to do with being gassed. The defense can blame itself just as much as the offense for being tired late in the game.

Posted by: psps23 | September 13, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

No NFL QB is going to win a championship playing behind that offensive line the way they were manhandled today.

Posted by: ellinwoods

They were NOT manhandled today!! What were you watching? The line gave JC time today. I just don't understand where all the bashing of the OLine is today... they PROTECTED JASON CAMPBELL TODAY. They gave him time to throw and he couldn't make up his mind!! Stop blaming the oline, at least not today's game.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 13, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

stats are for nerds

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 13, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Peri,

Heyer gave up one sack, against the best D-line in the league.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 13, 2009


Moseley said that Heyer "looked confused" for most of the afternoon. He wasn't sure what to do about the movement in front of him. He wasn't ready. He got beat an awful lot dude.

He is also very poor blocking for the run. Except for Portis 34 yard jaunt to start the day what else was there to write about?

But you are right the Giants do have the very best DL in football and proved that today. Haynesworth looks pretty average if not sub average by comparison ... at least at this point. Hopefully he won't turn out to be another wasted way too expensive free agent signing.

Posted by: periculum | September 13, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

sadskin..
Sonny must be reading these boards... Hundreds of posters have made that observation.. Today Fox showed Campbell in a replay, head on, back pedaling from his snap.. And he looked at ARE the whole time.. Any LB or DB would also see he was lasered to ARE and no one else. Great QBs scan the field....short slants first then long to see if any WRs have gained separation.
The only check down successfully completed to a Skins WR in the last 4 weeks was to Kelly by Collins in the 2nd preseason game when Kelly was the 3rd read on a broken play and Collins hit him for 13 yards and a first down.
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Sonny Jurgensen made an interesting comment at halftime about JC. In a roundabout way, he noted that Jason Campbell does not do a good job looking beyond the first option in his progression during pass plays. And I have noticed that when he gets rid of the ball quickly (first option), he looks comfortable... but any hesitation due to coverage (needing to go through progression) and he seems to freeze up.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 13, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, you should have split up the question about Haynesworth and DHall.

I like did Haynesworth did today but DeAngelo Hall wasn't just bad, he was Ade Jimoh bad.

Props on the INT but that shouldn't cover up for his awful play today. He was whiffing on tackles left and right and just about every third down the Giants converted was on him.

Agree on the bad play calling. It looked like each time we got in the Red Zone that Zorn was calling plays to set up field goals.

Not pretty.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 13, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

This game comes down to a few plays, as most games do.

1. Missed tackles on the 30 yard Manningham TD
2. JC not getting rid of the football in time on the strip/fumble/touchdown (not o-lines fault that JC holds the ball that long)
3. The 3rd and 8 with 6 minutes left when we stopped them on 3rd down, but play was negated due to a defensive penalty. They ended up going down and getting a field goal.

Otherwise, considering how putrid and conservative the offense played, we somehow managed to stay in the game thanks to a solid defensive performance and some big plays on defense (what a surprise!).

Taking into account the opponent, being on the road, the conservative game plan and the mistakes mentioned above, I would say this is about what we can expect this season.

Assuming some improvement on the offensive side of the ball and the resonable schedule coming up, I could see this team being 5-2 after the first 7 games.

Season prediction: 9-7, miss playoffs on tiebreaker.

Posted by: m1ke3i6 | September 13, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Wish I didn't have to say this, but it's ALL ABOUT JC. I don't see ANYTHING different than I've seen before, and I know how this story ends, not well. Just a frickin shame we'll have to throw away yet another season waiting for him to magically turn into something he will never become. Nothing personal, you're a nice kid JC, but this is business. BIG business.

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 13, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

ellin,

Yes i'm serious he had plenty of time to throw, and sice you are the only one saying that the offensive line was terrible. I would tend to think it is you that are wrong. Maybe you think he should have a minute or two back there. Look at other QB's who get pressured, they still make plays Rothliesburger is a great example.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 13, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Mike Shanahan phone just "RANG" !
'ring"
shanny: hello 7:05 pm
danny : mike 7:08
shanny: yeah 7:08
danny : mike 7:09
shanny: yeah 7:10
danny : you ready ? 7:11
shanny: hm ready. for what ? 7:11
danny : you want to be a redskin ? 7:12
shanny: second line 'Beeps" can you hold ?
danny : I'll tripple it ! 7:14
shanny: done deal danny 7:16

Posted by: mikeshanahanenjoyedthegame | September 13, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

The strip and TD happened because JC took too long. He had good protection there and he couldn't make up his mind. Being as unaware as he usually is, he fumbles..

Posted by: rachel216 | September 13, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

is shanahan under contract to anyone? Team or Media?
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Mike Shanahan phone just "RANG" !
'ring"
shanny: hello 7:05 pm
danny : mike 7:08
shanny: yeah 7:08
danny : mike 7:09
shanny: yeah 7:10
danny : you ready ? 7:11
shanny: hm ready. for what ? 7:11
danny : you want to be a redskin ? 7:12
shanny: second line 'Beeps" can you hold ?
danny : I'll tripple it ! 7:14
shanny: done deal danny 7:16


shanny:

Posted by: mikeshanahanenjoyedthegame | September 13, 2009 8:44 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 13, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

KurtShanaman, before you get rid of Zorn, you have to replace the QB and see the result. Maybe having someone different lead the offense (Collins) could render a much different result. Collins gets rid of the ball quickly, and may be more adept in handling the pressure (thanks to a limited and mediocre O-line) and going through his progressions and finding the open man when his first option is covered.

I think Zorn is holding back or dumbing down the passing game for fear that the current QB cannot execute. I like Campbell, and wish I was wrong, but I think a change MUST come!

Posted by: sadskin | September 13, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I think we should run the ball to the left behind Chris Samuels. That seems to work. Hey, let's try it again. Hey, you know what I think on this play we should run to the left behind Chris Samuels. What??? 3rd and 18... hmmm guess we should throw the deep ball... wait, wait, SACK! Good one fellas. Next series, we'll try something different... how 'bout we run to the left behind Chris Samuels?

Posted by: GoSkins21146 | September 13, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

again it comes down to, if another team were coming into Fedex, and they were faced with Tryon, and Barnes as the starting corners, what would they do. This is essentially what the Redskins were facing, and they FAILED M I S E R A B L Y to take advantage of it.

ellin, you're wrong, jc didn't step into the pocked like a qb should, which is why he got strip sacked by Osi...the ol played well today...a good qb feels the pressure, and moves around the pocket...the giants got almost NO pressure up the middle, RT/CR/DD played well in passing game....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 13, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I think the majority of you are fools and I've registered to comment just to say so. Judging by the polling questions most people voting don't have a clue about the Redskins and the NFL.

Did our off season additions help us? Absolutely. We allowed 17 points to a team with a much better offense than ours in their house. Just because we lost, it seems like most "fans" have a trigger response to say we've gotten worse or are no better than before, but if you look at the stats vs a powerful team, that's obviously not the case.

Did we show promise in this game? I think so. The reason we lost this game if you ask me was purely based on play calling. When we put the ball in Campbell's hands, we marched down the field with determination. When we rushed the ball against the NFL's best D-line, we failed. It was plain to see what our advantage was, and yet I saw several series of 2-run 1-pass and even a 3-run series, and they failed miserably. I think if we had actually played to our strength given that match up, we would have won, so I DO see promise.

We lost the season opener to the G-men last season too, then we went 6-2. Don't be flip flopping idiots after just one game. Consider the match up.

Posted by: rexforab | September 13, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to have myself induced into a coma and not to be awakened until next September when Zorn and Campbell are both gone.

Posted by: elderdave1 | September 13, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Look, I'm not in the film room breaking down plays like most of you must be. All of you who are ready to crucify JC (sorry, couldn't resist) must be geniuses. After all, you're able to determine without the benefit of game film whether the problems lie with the QB, the offensive line, the receivers or the play calling.

However, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that Campbell was under tremendous pressure today. Now, the question is...was it play calling, QB indecision or poor pass blocking?

None of us KNOW, but in my opinion you're jumping the gun to place all the blame on JC.

Posted by: ellinwoods | September 13, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

psp23, the D may have given up a 12 play drive, which ended in 3 points. But then what did the O and Zorn do? put the D back on the field.

Let's not forget the the giants were trying to win the game and that they have every bit as good an offensive line as the Skins D line. If the O is not going to move the ball or at least give the D some rest, they are going to be gassed.

Since you like stats, look at the time of possession for the game. The O has to give the D some time to rest and did not. In spite of that, the D kept the O in the game but JC and Zorn blew it for them.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 13, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

And he looked at ARE the whole time.. Any LB or DB would also see he was lasered to ARE and no one else. Great QBs scan the field....short slants first then long to see if any WRs have gained separation.

I seem to recall Chris Cooley catching some passes? Betts? Even Portis caught a 16 yard screen? Sheesh.

The message here is that there wasn't enough time to throw anything long. The running game was non-existent after the 1st 34 yard run. The Giants just teed off.

Perhaps our last franchise QB Sonny Jurgenson might have been able to handle this. But not with someone calling the plays for him. He consistently called and used his own offense through 4 or so head coaches. Its the major reason Allen benched him. He wouldn't play Allen's run Larry Brown into the ground offense.

Campbell does not call his own plays. Has been the 'victim' of 4 changes in the offense.

There's a difference Sonny and you know it.

Posted by: periculum | September 13, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

It's clear Campbell doesn't have football instincts or football smarts...

It's time to end the Campbell experiment. 5 years and in his fifth year, he looks like he's in his rookie year.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 13, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

first I dont think Haynesworth had a bad game. Deangelo Hall is HORRIBLE! he got beat several times and totally wiffed on a tackle that went for a touchdown. I think the d is and will be improved Haynesworth will help I just don't like Blache! his play calling is horrible. I like Zorn and and think his palycalling is really a reflection of him not really trusting campbell. I f u saw campbells eyes and ho he acted he looked lost and confused. The o-line actually gave him decent time to throw. the fumble he should of stepped up in the pocket. I think Zorn just can't call the game as he want cause he doesnt see enough in jason to do what he wants! Hell i wouldnt mind seeing Garcia! Th esad thing is with snyder as the owner thats the biggest problem of all. He will never get rid of ceraato and vinny doesnt know how to piuck players anyway! If they were to get rid of Zorn we could only hope they hire someone like cower who would at least want say in who comes in. I'm giving up it is only week one but campbell doesnt look anymore confident and thats a problem. bring in garcia just if anything to push him and he's a west cost guy and could definately help the skins a lot.

Posted by: skinsfsu | September 13, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

He has never improved.. Would you, if you never had to compete for your job? It was handed to him.
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Does anyone actually believe that our QB knows what the he!! he's doing out there? I think that it's pretty clear that JC isn't bright enough to be starting full time for a team with the legacy as the redskins. I really really hope that we plan on demoting his sorry a$$ next offseason.

Posted by: m_miller1808 | September 13, 2009 8:40 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 13, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I see.

If JC has seamless protection, unlimited time, a great running game, and receivers that run perfect routes every time, he can be a very good NFL QB.

Unfortunately, the real games aren't played in Fantasyland.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 13, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Some of you people are delusional! Do you really think JC has a legit #1 NFL WR on this roster? Where was the "great" running game today? Seamless protection? Put down the pipe, man!

Posted by: ellinwoods | September 13, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Campbell 19/26 211yards 1td/1int QB rating 93.6
Manning 20/29 256 yards 1td/1int Qb rating 93.5

I'll take Campbell with better play calling.

Zorn's reluctance NOT to air it out, and stick with the run along with the addition of our soft DB coverage cost us the game. Even after that there lost by 6. It is only the 1st game, so everyone should relax and not write off the season after 1 game. How pessimistic can some fans get? Wow! We can all see certain areas that need improvement and they will be addressed, but to be Completely negative about our team like we are the Lions, is just ridiculous

Let's put it all together next week Fellas and start the win streak.

Posted by: gcoles32 | September 13, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Too bad we didn't Cutler. Everyone's anointing him as superior to JC and he just put three passes in row into the hands of the defense.

Posted by: Redskinrex | September 13, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm not writing the team or the season off.

But I have written the QB off.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 13, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Well said, gcoles.

Way too early to have panic attacks. The Giants are a better team. Does anyone here really doubt that?

Let's see how the team fares over the next few weeks against teams the Skins could/should beat.

Posted by: ellinwoods | September 13, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

ellin is alone on that island....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 13, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Deangelo Hall played horrible today. On the key 3rd and 10 he couldnt even knock the guy out of bounds. He had the penalty on special teams and looked lost when trying to make tackles. Give me Springs any day. On the other hand, I will give it up to him for actually catching a int, unlike rogers. I felt like our offense was out of rhythm before it even started because our defense let them keep the ball for so much time on the first couple of drives. Then, Campbell just played with know awareness taking sacks, fumbling, crossing the line of scrimmage. It has to get better from here.

Posted by: Redskins001 | September 13, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

He is also very poor blocking for the run. Except for Portis 34 yard jaunt to start the day what else was there to write about?

But you are right the Giants do have the very best DL in football and proved that today. Haynesworth looks pretty average if not sub average by comparison ... at least at this point. Hopefully he won't turn out to be another wasted way too expensive free agent signing.


Posted by: periculum | September 13, 2009 8:46 PM


Perky, did you watch the game or are you relying solely on what Mosley said. From my seat, I saw Heyer holding his own in the passing game. It also looked like a lot of the runs were to the left side. (Three straight runs to the left when Skins were inside own five.) How is that Heyer's fault?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 13, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

ellinwoods, it's not the pipe, it's the kool-aid you're drinking. If JC steps up in the pocket the ball is not stripped. If JC does not hold the ball so low, the ball is not stripped. either of those would have saved a TO and TD.

My wife who does not follow football much thought he looked like the statue of liberty. JC needs to be aware of what is going on around him, not lock on to receivers and not HOLD on to the ball so long. This loss was not on the OL line.

Play calling and JC lost a winnable game for the Skins and us fans!

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 13, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, Santana Moss is no #1 receiver that doesnt help. The guy couldnt get open all day.

Posted by: Redskins001 | September 13, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

What's the point of resting your starters in the pre-season, if it takes them two games in the season to get in sync? Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like only for the last several years the starters haven't been playing the preseason?

Posted by: ccwbambam | September 13, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

ellinwoods- No one is a genius but COME ON. We all saw it, Jason Campbell had time to throw today. Stop putting it on the oline!! I don't think anyone saw Jason under tremendous pressure today... maybe cuz he was not..

jesus, o line actually played well today (for once) and you're bashing it...

Posted by: rachel216 | September 13, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins__Offense_Has_Familiar_Feel_50796.jsp

read this article, pretty much spot on....basically skewers the whole team, coaching staff on down....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 13, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Everyone needs to chill ! You guy's have said every in the book about JC short of him being illiterate. Remember it's just a game !

Posted by: mikeshanahanenjoyedthegame | September 13, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Perky, did you watch the game or are you relying solely on what Mosley said. From my seat, I saw Heyer holding his own in the passing game. It also looked like a lot of the runs were to the left side. (Three straight runs to the left when Skins were inside own five.) How is that Heyer's fault?

Posted by: learnedhand1

Peri doesn't comment based on original thought. He's strictly a cut and paste kinda guy.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 13, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

"Since you like stats, look at the time of possession for the game. The O has to give the D some time to rest and did not. In spite of that, the D kept the O in the game but JC and Zorn blew it for them.

Posted by: Curzon417"

Curz, time of possession is an equal indictment on the offense and the defense. The defense did nothing to control the game. The Giants didn't punt until the 3rd quarter. That has nothing to do with the offense. Yes, we held them out of the endzone, but that's not nearly enough for as much of an investment that's been put into this defense.

Let me put it this way. The Giants offense completely controlled the clock against our defense, from start to finish. The defense could not get off the field -- and when that's happening in the first quarter, that is not reflective in any way of our offense.

Posted by: psps23 | September 13, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Look this team will NEVER be elite with our current owner, have we not seen the same BS the past 10 years? Over paying players, stiched couching staff, same talent on the 00-line. Come on, I stopped going to games 6 years ago because I was not going to contribute to failure. The owner knows that 0-line talent does not generate $, only big names do dohh...wake up all

Posted by: rb_rivers | September 13, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

stop citing stats as if they meant a darn thing. JC is average at best, if not why didn't other teams want him during the off season? He sucks big time. Get a legit QB and watch the line play get better and the running game too.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 13, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying that Campbell is the long term answer...by any stretch! In fact, it might be wise to make a switch at year's end.

I would have preferred Cutler, but not at the price Denver was asking.

Posted by: ellinwoods | September 13, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

You missed my point peri.. ARE was the called play..FIRST OPTION.. But JC never did a fade or looking off to misdirect the Defense.. He just looked at ARE the whole time!!! Sandlot QBs know to look one way and throw the other..
And on the other catches, Cooley, Betts or the Portis screen.. They were the called play...ie..the first Read..not the second progression. ..
You're not really defending 5 years of this, are you??.. The guy is at best a 3rd String backup.. 2nd string if its the Lions.
But you know more than a HOF QB??

And Sanchez was another rookie victim, today, of a new system... Just another Flacco and Ryan trying to learn a new offense..

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And he looked at ARE the whole time.. Any LB or DB would also see he was lasered to ARE and no one else. Great QBs scan the field....short slants first then long to see if any WRs have gained separation.
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periculum wrote"
I seem to recall Chris Cooley catching some passes? Betts? Even Portis caught a 16 yard screen? Sheesh.

The message here is that there wasn't enough time to throw anything long. The running game was non-existent after the 1st 34 yard run. The Giants just teed off.

Perhaps our last franchise QB Sonny Jurgenson might have been able to handle this. But not with someone calling the plays for him. He consistently called and used his own offense through 4 or so head coaches. Its the major reason Allen benched him. He wouldn't play Allen's run Larry Brown into the ground offense.

Campbell does not call his own plays. Has been the 'victim' of 4 changes in the offense.

There's a difference Sonny and you know it.

Posted by: periculum | September 13, 2009 8:52 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 13, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of my many negative post today, I will be rooting for the skins and JC next week. I am a Skins fan but cannot defend what my eyes were seeing today!

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 13, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

the coaching is madden like,we have been running flanker screens,between tackle runs,comeback patterns for about 5 yrs.every team in the league only has to watch one game tape to game plan for us.the coaches need to be fired.are cornerbacks play 10 yds back each play,allowing big plays.campbell needs to just throw the ball deep and very often to setup the run.

Posted by: alaska_redskins | September 13, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm not writing the team or the season off.

But I have written the QB off.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 13, 2009 8:59 PM

That's too bad.

Posted by: TWISI | September 13, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Everyone needs to chill ! You guy's have said every in the book about JC short of him being illiterate. Remember it's just a game !

Posted by: mikeshanahanenjoyedthegame | September 13, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

He actually had NO running game that we continuously went to, DESPITE it not working. Then he had 3rd and long all day. I wonder why JC looked hesitant and shotty. Hmmm.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | September 13, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I see.

If JC has seamless protection, unlimited time, a great running game, and receivers that run perfect routes every time, he can be a very good NFL QB.

Unfortunately, the real games aren't played in Fantasyland.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 13, 2009

I think its called the HOGS and John Riggins and others and who cares who plays quarterback? Yep, I think that's it!

Uh gee, maybe you are asking the wrong question? Might just be?

What happens when arguably the best defensive line in the NFL goes up against the oldest, and now possibly the worst OL in the NFL?

Think about it, but not too long it might hurt!

Posted by: periculum | September 13, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

curz, yeah, I'm with ya...

sun is gonna come up tomorrow, and I'm still gonna root them on like crazy...with the play calling didn't suck though...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 13, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Everyone needs to chill ! You guy's have said every in the book about JC short of him being illiterate. Remember it's just a game !

Posted by: mikeshanahanenjoyedthegame | September 13, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

I've been a staunch JC supporter and I too am reconsidering but before I throw the soup out the window here is what I wonder.

If your owner, manager and coach all basically repeatedly sent you the message that they are looking for someone new in the off season it's gotta mess with your head. Now any professional should be able to focus in and step up so that is partially on JC.
But here is what I really wonder. Zorn's play calling remains lousy as does this bastardized WC offense. How do 3 yard runs and 4 yard passes ever get you a first down much less a score? That to me seems to rest on playcalling.
In the drive we are pinned down at the 3-4 yard line and we go 3 runs. . . what would you think if you were JC? Coach doesn't trust me. What would you think if you are the rest of the offense? Then when you do have a great carry from CP you totally eff it up with an idiot gadget play. What would you think if you're the offense? That kind of thing takes the winds out of your sails and given how limp their sails were to begin with well doesn't help.

I don't think Zorn has this team behind him. I don't think there are too many players on this roster fired up and willing to put this team on their backs. They don't trust the HC and I'm guessing they don't trust the owner or FO. They like the $ and all but that isn't going to be enough . . . .

Snyder is going to want a big name HC so I bet unless we lose 45-0 to Detroit Zorn is around until the end of the season because it's going to be harder to get the big names in with insanity and chaos. I predict we blow it all to move up in the draft if we need to to get a QB and in a capless year it's going to be scary.

Shanahan
Cowher
Gruden all on speed dial at the Snyder house I imagine.

Posted by: sfskin | September 13, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

ellinwoods- Hmmm... maybe JC should get the ball out quicker, that way he doesn't
have to run around that much. You say he was under tremendous pressure, maybe that is caused by him holding the ball too long and being undecisive..

Oh and tell me who the LEGIT #1 WR is on the Giants...

Posted by: rachel216 | September 13, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a Campbell apologist or someone who drinks the Kool-Aid. As a matter of fact, I think the Redskins biggest failure is in the front office and until that is addressed, no coach will succeed here.

That said, I do think people are oversimplifying the problems and placing too much blame on JC. Moss disappeared today. Kelly was invisible (again). Portis looked very average.

Posted by: ellinwoods | September 13, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Curz, time of possession is an equal indictment on the offense and the defense. The defense did nothing to control the game. The Giants didn't punt until the 3rd quarter. That has nothing to do with the offense. Yes, we held them out of the endzone, but that's not nearly enough for as much of an investment that's been put into this defense.

Let me put it this way. The Giants offense completely controlled the clock against our defense, from start to finish. The defense could not get off the field -- and when that's happening in the first quarter, that is not reflective in any way of our offense.

Posted by: psps23 | September 13, 2009 9:03 PM

PSP, I hear what you are saying, but if the O holds on to the ball for another 5 to 7 minutes when they HAVE possession, then things are different. Can't take away from what the giants did to our D, but you need to look at the other side, the O, and their lack of production. If Zorn and JC could do their part, this is a winnable game. And you know this is true.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 13, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

You stat guys can’t hide the most important point - Jason Campbell cannot manage a football game, period! Checking off to a run on 3rd and 8?? Don’t talk up the last drive either, Giants were playing pretty loose.

Zorn is a complete moron calling plays. My son knew what was coming - think the Giants just might have too?

Now for the bad news: How is it the Giants can bring unknown rookies off the bench who are better athletes than out 2nd round receiver trio and our overhyped, overpriced free agents? That speaks to the organization’s entire modus operandi and until that changes we’re never going anywhere. We need to clean house from top to bottom.

Posted by: bones21 | September 13, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Rachel - don't you know everyone becomes a #1 when they have a 10 yard cushion to work with.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | September 13, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Rachel, the Giants don't have a #1 WR either. The difference is Eli is an upgrade over JC, the offensive line is a massive upgrade over ours and the Jacobs/Bradshaw is better than Portis/Betts.

Not too hard to see that, is it?

Posted by: ellinwoods | September 13, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Perky, did you watch the game or are you relying solely on what Mosley said. From my seat, I saw Heyer holding his own in the passing game. It also looked like a lot of the runs were to the left side. (Three straight runs to the left when Skins were inside own five.) How is that Heyer's fault?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 13, 2009

My Gawd! Has this blog finally melted down and reduced intellectually to that of Homer Simpson and his beer drenched brain?

Look at the question you just asked dude? Everything went left, EVEN WHEN THE GIANTS absolutely knew it was going LEFT? WHY!?

And now I ask you how is that NOT HEYER's fault? Does Samuel's have to do everything? The guy is just coming off of a pretty serious injury for criminies sake!?

Posted by: periculum | September 13, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget folks we lost to St. Louis last year and I'm guessing Spags wants to rub it in Snyder's face just a bit so we'd better light a fire with the heat of a thousand suns in our pants for next week.

Naturally I'll be back next week in full regalia cheering .... is there a Redskins Anonymous out there somewhere?

Posted by: sfskin | September 13, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Now for the bad news: How is it the Giants can bring unknown rookies off the bench who are better athletes than out 2nd round receiver trio and our overhyped, overpriced free agents?

I believe we have some good young receivers. But that doesn't help much unless you have at least an average offensive line. The Skins line has diminished, it appears to be significantly below average at this juncture.

Posted by: periculum | September 13, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: periculum | September 13, 2009 9:05 PM |
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You're so frigging dense you don't even know sarcasm when it bites you on your azz.

You and JC are well matched.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 13, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

The Giants GM over the last 3 years has done an outstanding job.... Their personnel was far and away better than the Skins.. Their unknown first year rookie receivers looking all-pro. And our WRs just looking.
Wish Vinny would just stalk a bonafide GM and pickup a few castoffs..It'd be better than what we have now.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 13, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

...this is what you get when your front office's (Vinnie and Danny) whole philosophy for building a team and managing player personnel consists of stuffing wadded-up million dollar bills in the cracks and holes in the dam after they spring a leak. You cant get them all--and this year they yet again overpaid for mediocre talent and missed on both CBs, the entire O-Line, at RB and at QB!

Really Danny, how hard is it to see how a real NFL team is built and managed...just look up I95 and see the Ravens and a little furhter up the Turnpike and see the Giants.

Posted by: oddjob2 | September 13, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm just glad that we only play the Giants twice this year. They're going to make a lot of teams look bad. I also remember that we lost last year's opening game to them and were 6-2 at the half-way mark. The next few weeks will be better.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 13, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Rachel - don't you know everyone becomes a #1 when they have a 10 yard cushion to work with.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren

Yes, you're right. I can't wait to hear what Blache's explanation is..

Posted by: rachel216 | September 13, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

beeps!

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 13, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Campbell won't be benched and Zorn won't be fired before season end. Only 1 game has been played, we have 15 games to go. The thing that bothers me is the effort management has made to make Campbell work at QB. How many free agent wide receivers have been signed (and often let go)? How many have been drafted? The passing game isn't working so it must be the receivers. We even hired a head coach whose experience is playing QB and being a QB coach. All of this to justify management's belief in their draft choice. Much has been made of all the system changes Campbell has had to endure. If his performance in the systems were better maybe they all wouldn't have quit or been fired. I don't blame Campbell, I blame Snyder and Cerranto for neglecting other areas of the team (offensive line, quality backups in all areas) for the search for receivers for Campbell. Further, if he doesn't improve the whole process will begin anew in the spring as Snyder searches for his true love, the strongest arm he can find.

Posted by: rob3 | September 13, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

I moved to DC in 1989 and the early 90's made me a Redskins fan. Unfortunately, here are the top 5 reasons I have (after 20 years given up and have returned to the love of my youth - the Vikings.
#1 - Santana Moss is not a #1 wide out (on anyone's team)
#2 - Jason Campbell is not a #1 QB (on anyone's team)
#3 - Jim Zorn should not be the coach (of anyone's team)
#4 - Fred Smoot is not a corner back (on anyone's team)
#5 - Between Little Danny Snyder's off-field law suits against Redskins fans and the fact that the Skins are just no fun to watch anymore.
Need I say more!!!! Way to go Adrian P. - The prodigal son is coming home.

Posted by: Y-oh-Y | September 13, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Wow! I read all these posts and laugh. I have coached exactly zero games in the NFL. I have played quarterback exactly zero games at any level! Everyone is leaning so hard on the armchair, it is broken after one game. Ease up. . .and please don't be fickle enough to come back and post all kinds of flowery compliments when the Skins are 3 and 1 in a few weeks. Stay with your bench JC and fire Zorn philosophy and go support another team!

P.S. After one quarter. . .Jay Cutler is 4 of 11 for 33 yards and 1 interception and should have 2 INT's but Green Bay DB's can't catch a cold! I know, I know, it's only one quarter. . .practice what you preach, morons!

Posted by: mjames1 | September 13, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Well, focusing on the upside today...

Wasn't it nice to see some players who give it everything they have? I didn't see many today, but London Fletcher was a stud. In spite of the INT drop early on, Rogers didn't get beat today. Randle El shouldn't be on the field as a #2 WR, but he did make some nice plays today. And we gotta give it up for Hunter Smith!

Posted by: ellinwoods | September 13, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have FIREZIMZORN email add?

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan

I snarfed my Corona on that one. Funny stuff.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 13, 2009 7:58 PM
Maybe FIREJIMZORN _is Jim Zorn @#$% and instead of playing on RI he should have been game planning for the Giants !

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | September 13, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

So the answer to everything is: the offensive line.

As if no other NFL QB is asked to make plays under pressure except JC.

We should all be ashamed for asking so much of our QB.

Poor guy.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 13, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Perky, I feel dumber for having engaged you. Be blessed my friend.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 13, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

@sfskin,

I still think Zorn will be gone by the third or fourth game. Snyder won't be as fearful of pulling the trigger given that 3 or 4 offensive coordinators were replaced in training camp by teams.

It'll be Blache until he can get Shannahan or Cower into the fold. I'm not sure he can without an even more draconian promise not to involve himself in day-to-day football management and operations that he had under Marty. They saw what happened with Gibbs. If you fail with Gibbs Snyder ... ?

Snyder will have to effectively give up having any say in how the team is run below agreeing to sign the checks after this.

Posted by: periculum | September 13, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is a complete joke that has no heart for this team at all. Jason Campbell has to go!!!! He has no football smarts as a QB. HE'S DUMB!!!!! I PLEAD with Snyder to not wait too long to get rid of Zorn and his LAME want to be coaching sense self along with his never gonna make it in the NFL QB (Campbell) I've been a Skins fan for 35 yrs and I cant take it anymore. We spend our hard earned dollars for what. Skin fans DESERVE BETTER. We are sick and tired of being the NFL floor mat.

Joe K.

Posted by: jkertulis1 | September 13, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Ease up. . .and please don't be fickle enough to come back and post all kinds of flowery compliments when the Skins are 3 and 1 in a few weeks.
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I'll make a "flowery compliment" if/when JC performs like a comptetent QB for 4 quarters against a top tier team.

If and when that ever happens, I'll happily eat mucho crow.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 13, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

"Everyone is leaning so hard on the armchair, it is broken after one game. Ease up....."
Posted by: mjames1

Hey, what do you think a football blog is for anyway? We're all experts here, some just more than others.

Posted by: bones21 | September 13, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

So the answer to everything is: the offensive line.

As if no other NFL QB is asked to make plays under pressure except JC.

Dude, they managed to score 17 points with what is arguably the worst offensive line in the NFL. Take away Samuels and God help us! And against the very best defensive line in the NFL! What do you want Campbell's blood?

You aren't going to win with the talent the Redskins have against a team like the Giants. They now have way too much firepower on defense even with the issues at corner back. Their OL is not up the challenge? Its the heart of any offense. Line play its where it all starts and ends.

Posted by: periculum | September 13, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

I am 100% in agreement with you periculum

Posted by: ellinwoods | September 13, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

UH. . .make that 2 Interceptions for Jay Cutler. Inside the 10. . .going in to score! Yeah, let's bench JC and go after a real quaterback! No matter what the stats say, a manager is better than a gun slinger. Just ask the Jets fans about Brett Favre!

Posted by: mjames1 | September 13, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

ok just reread my post and ment to say I'm not giving up! maybe they should bench campbell. I won't argue the line needs improving but wasnt as bad as jason. like sonny said he doesnt go through his progressions well or very quickly. hell try collins or bring in garcia and see what happens! same result then its not all on jason. if it's a lot better result then we really know and campbell won tever start again as a redskin. I'm just frustrated with the dan snyder era of mediocrity! fire cerrato!!!

Posted by: skinsfsu | September 13, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

"If and when that ever happens, I'll happily eat mucho crow." Posted by: MrRedskin21

You ever had crow. . .not good. . .doesn't taste like chicken!

Posted by: mjames1 | September 13, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Anyone still want Cutler (minus, of course, Rak and next year's #1)

After that 2nd pick, I'd say no..

Posted by: tphasbdp | September 13, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Wow! I read all these posts and laugh. I have coached exactly zero games in the NFL. I have played quarterback exactly zero games at any level! Everyone is leaning so hard on the armchair, it is broken after one game. Ease up. . .and please don't be fickle enough to come back and post all kinds of flowery compliments when the Skins are 3 and 1 in a few weeks. Stay with your bench JC and fire Zorn philosophy and go support another team!

P.S. After one quarter. . .Jay Cutler is 4 of 11 for 33 yards and 1 interception and should have 2 INT's but Green Bay DB's can't catch a cold! I know, I know, it's only one quarter. . .practice what you preach, morons!


Posted by: mjames1 | September 13, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Well, focusing on the upside today...

Wasn't it nice to see some players who give it everything they have? I didn't see many today, but London Fletcher was a stud. In spite of the INT drop early on, Rogers didn't get beat today. Randle El shouldn't be on the field as a #2 WR, but he did make some nice plays today. And we gotta give it up for Hunter Smith!

Posted by: ellinwoods | September 13, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse


Well Said Mjames1 and ellinwoods, some of these people need to refocus and get on track with actually "Supporting" our team. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Posted by: gcoles32 | September 13, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Umm. . .make that three interceptions for Cutler! He has almost as many completions to Green Bay as he does to Bears receivers. Exactly what the Skins need!

Posted by: mjames1 | September 13, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Do you guys know that the Skins' D-Coordinator's name isn't "Blanch"? Try paying attention to the team before you feel so much smarter to be able to pass such judgment on people who have been making a living at this game for longer than you've likely been alive.

Posted by: craig2 | September 13, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Amen craig2. . .you said it

Posted by: mjames1 | September 13, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Three things need to take place to get this team on track.
1. Fire Vinny
2. Fire Zorn
3. Bench Campbell. He is dumber than a light post.

Posted by: inteljoe | September 13, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Three things must be done to get this team on track:
1. Fire Vinny
2. Fire Zorn
3. Bench Campbell. He is dumber than a lamp post.

Posted by: inteljoe | September 13, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Hey. . . Cutler was just sacked. Then he threw a screen pass for a loss of 2. Hey at least he didn't throw it to Green Bay this time! Probably not his fault. . .just decide what point you want to make and then decide where you want the blame to go! This week the coach and QB, next week??? Man oh Man. . .wish that trade with Denver would have gone through. God bless the idea that the "Grass is not always greener!"

Posted by: mjames1 | September 13, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Most of you so called fans must not watch the game or you let those idiot brodcasters get into your heads. We lost this game for these reasons. 1. OLINE! they protected ok for the most part but they were horrible aganist the blitz and on 3rd downs. 2. Play calling! Run run pass. Run run pass. Who can't figure that out? That reverse after the 34 yard run was a game killer. Offense moved the ball when we passed the ball but u cant expect anybody to pass in a 5wr set aganist that Defense when the oline cant block one on one. 3. Secondary play. Smoot, Hall and Rogers all 10 yards off the line when its 3rd and two. Horrible tackling.
With all that being said you take away the sack fumble and we win. Campbell is fine when he has time but zorn has to do better with the calling. I called the plays out from home.

I forgot to add that all you cult of colt, squad for todd and case for chase members might wanna know that campbell had a equal qb rating to eli. Eli has a much better line. I like my man bmitch was impressed with haynesworth he had the middle of that line moving but the other lineman couldnt capatlize. cutler looks great doesnt he?

Posted by: bza48842002 | September 13, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

I don't give a hoot in a nanny what his "QB rating" is.

He lost. Again. And he did it by turning the ball over twice - 1 INT, 2 fumbles (1 lost), not looking off his first read, calling bizarro audibles on 3rd & long, and burning 2 second-half timeouts because he still can't manage the clock after 5 years in the league.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 13, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Hey,

The Bears ran the ball on third and 10 when the Packers were showing blitz. Looks like Campbell is not alone in his play choice. Another coach needing to be fired and QB benched. . .oh wait a minute, the QB is Cutler. . .the one we wanted, we would be headed to the super bowl if we had him! Losers!

Posted by: mjames1 | September 13, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree with most of the posts here saying how bad JC and JZ were today and how bad JC is overall. Just keep those comments in-mind next week when we win 16-3. I cannot stand JC and am not sure about JZ, but I hate more than anything in the world reading this board after a win that follows a loss like the one today. This team stinks and everyone needs to remember that.

On another note the Washington Capitals opened their training camp this weekend, so we only have one month of watching this POC team before we get to watch a winner, with a great owner, and a great coach play again.

Posted by: nigt | September 13, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Same 'ol same 'ol

SOFT, UNDISCIPLINED AND SPOILED.

Snyder is getting exactly what he paid for.

Posted by: kone | September 13, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Even though JC's two mistakes in the 1st half on the INT and sack/fumble/ TD were huge plays, the predictable playcalling of Coach Zorn was equally to blame. Due to having a subpar RT, the Skins run left on almost every play and the Giants like most teams stopped it. Running on 1st down on almost every down and using a gadget play after a long run on the first play from scrimmage show how inexperienced Zorn is as a head coach....very nice, honest man who is in over his head.

On defense, anyone still think resigning D. Hall for $55M to be our No. 1 CB was a good move? Not only is he poor in man coverage, his weak tacking allowed the Giants to score their first TD as well pick up big yards on WR screens. Steve Smith who is a No. 2 WR at best on most teams had Hall's number all day....I hold Vinny responsible for the mistaken belief that Hall was a top tier CB. We needed a No. 2 cornerback as Rogers is clearly our No. 1....Springs could have been retained as a nickel corner/backup FS if they Skins didn't throw all their money at Hall and Haynesworth.

Until Snyder realizes what a poor GM Vinny is and the team lacks a real front office, the Redskins are doomed to be a mediocre team. There are reasons that teams like NY and Philly are competitive year after year while the Redskins have been to the playoffs 3 times in the last 10 years.

Posted by: wizfan89 | September 13, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

My favorite part of the game was Zorn's "Silver Lining" press conference. "i liked some of what i saw, Jason made some good decisions." YOU LOST ZORN, where is the eternal optimism coming from?!??!

Its getting harder and harder to be a skins fan. Snyder, is perhaps the worst owner in the league...it starts at the top...this organization is a mess.

Kone, your assessment is spot on. This team plays to make money. They don't play for each other or the fans. They are soft and spoiled. They play for their money and their personal stats. Its disgusting.

Where was the pass rush, the run stopping the newly revamped high powered / more potent in the red zone offense we were promised?

Since the conventional method of success in the NFL, winning games, doesn't seem to be working, maybe Snyder's lawyers can sue the league for wins like he sues his fans once they've fallen on hard times.

Posted by: brian928 | September 13, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

it wouldnt matter if joe montana was behind this line the results would be the same. the sack fumble was a result of having to pump because heyer got beat again. and you check into a run on third in ten when your coach places u in 5 wide every third down after running left on 1st and second down. when they let the offense open up and let him throw we looked good. when we went run run pass or run reverse pass we sucked. bottom line we lost to one of the best teams in the league by 6points on the road. RELAX!

Posted by: bza48842002 | September 13, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Joe Theismann said the Redskins would win this game today. I don't know what to believe anymore.

Posted by: josettes | September 14, 2009 1:55 AM | Report abuse

SOS. Cambell stinks and so does Zorn. Biggest issue is moron belt buckle owner.

Posted by: ridgely1 | September 14, 2009 6:32 AM | Report abuse

They are who we thought they were.

Posted by: donsilvester | September 14, 2009 7:13 AM | Report abuse

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