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Tell Us How You Think Redskins Will Finish

By Cindy Boren  |  October 16, 2009; 10:15 AM ET
 
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4-12, the man with the prophetic handle.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 16, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

they're not really THAT bad. they can stay in any game. things will get better, but not championship better. first!

Posted by: oaxacavine | October 16, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Does "Art Monk to The Sticks" post on You Tube regularly?

If so, please post a link.

That man funny.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 16, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

6-10 is my prediction. 4 more wins. 2 of them coming from the Chiefs and the Raiders. Then they'll steal a game or two they shouldn't win. Screwing up their draft position.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 16, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

O-line O-line O-line.

Anything else is just a battery box on a helium ballon.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 16, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Report: Stacy Andrews punched fiancee
Posted by Josh Alper on October 16, 2009 9:47 AM ET
Eagles guard Stacy Andrews was reportedly involved in a domestic dispute during which he punched his fiancee in the face.

A report filed by police officers in Lumberton Township, New Jersey states that officers were called to a house on the afternoon of September 30th where they were met by Brandy Box, Andrews's fiancee. Box accused the offensive lineman of punching her in the face after a verbal dispute. Police took Andrews to the station, but was released after Box refused to file a restraining order or sign a complaint.

Andrews denied the accusations to the Philadelphia Inquirer on Thursday.

"I didn't hit her," Andrews said. "I'd be locked up and be in big doo-doo if I did."

Andrews said the couple is still together, but has not set a wedding date yet. The paper tried but could not get comments from Box, the Eagles or the chief of the Lumberton Township police department.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 16, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

with a whimper...

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I think 4-6. Don't ask me where they will come from, knowing the skins somehow we will win over a team that will make the superbowl and Snyder will think that we're only a good coach and a star QB away (again).

Posted by: alex35332 | October 16, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

The acceptance of incomplete performances is exactly what's killing this team right now, and Jerry Gray is proving himself to be a prime enabler.

Posted by: psps23 | October 16, 2009 10:15 AM

Whaaaa?

With an ineptitude offense, the defense has to do more. Which means concentrating on turning the ball over and providing the offense with a shorter field, if the defense doesn't score.

That's how the offense can have TD drives of 1 yard and 11 yards.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 16, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

To all the Jerry Gray critics,

Please. The defense is not the problem on this team, and neither is DHall.

Posted by: p1funk

going back to last year, how many game ending drives did the D allow the opposition to win? This year, against the "lowly" Lions, they allow a 99 yard drive, and couldn't get the Panthers off the field either.
The O and the D are in need of major work and it starts with heart transplants for most all of them.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 16, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 16, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Can the post please stop with these type of damn post!!!!!

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

IF you are season ticket holder...you may be jealous.....

http://www.denverpost.com/premium/broncos/ci_13572632

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 16, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

4-12, the man with the prophetic handle.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 16, 2009 10:17 AM

Huh? He's had that handle forever and how many times has he been right?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 16, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

it depends on what team he's 4 and 12'ing

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 16, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

The key there is "put a good team around him".

Basically, for Campbell to win, everything else around him has to be perfectly setup.

Trent Dilfer won a Superbowl...playing with one of the greatest defenses of all time and a running back that went for 2000 yards.

I don't think JC17 is horrible. But I can understand if the team wants a QB that they can rely on to do more than just play average assuming everything around him is perfect.

Sometimes you need your QB to make plays, take the offense on his shoulders and make it happen.

Ben Roethlisberger won his second SuperBowl ring by doing just that. When it came to crunch-time with the game on the line, he stepped up in the clutch.

I'm trying to remember one time when JC17 did something like that.

Bottom line: He's not won anything for us. His offense doesn't score points. He's replaceable, just like virtually anyone else on the offense right now. (Exceptions being Moss and Cooley).

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

A good team can be had with just 4 draft picks. That's what I'm trying to say. Ben didn't win that super bowl, James Harrison did. Ben threw 1 TD in that super bowl. It just happened to be in the 4th quarter. James Harrison won that game by taking a surefire Cards TD and running it back for a score. That was a 14 point swing and that ultimately won the game. Everything doesn't have to be perfect for Campbell. It just has to not suck. Our oline, RB, play calling, and flanker all suck. The point is that we have more replaceable players than Campbell. We don't have 1 ligitimate tackle right now. We absolutely have to grab 2 starting tackles in the draft. That means we absllutely have to use first or early second rounders on them. Rabach sucks and Portis is too old. They both need replaced before Campbell. If 2012 rolls around and Campbell still sucks then by all means throw him on the first bus to Oakland. I'm fine with that but he could be good by then. If he is good by then then that's 1 less first rounder we have to use. We can use that first rounder on another position.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 16, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 16, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

4-6 Wins, leaning toward 6. I expect to beat the Chiefs and the Raiders. I expect to beat the Cowboys once, and either the Eagles or the Giants once at home.

Doesn't seem to matter how bad you are in the NFC East, the games are usually close and crazy stuff often happens. So I think we win a couple of those despite the suckitude.

Posted by: REXskins | October 16, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

t_e, doesn't "prophetic" simply mean "predictive," regardless whether it's proven to be an accurate prediction? If so, the handle 4-12 at least originally was prophetic, since it was one very funny man's guess at what the Skins' record would be in the ensuing season. Now it's not prophetic so much as ironic. Or something.

Ahem.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 16, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 16, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Pol(e)l "deez"...

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I think this football team has a darn good chance to beat both Kansas City and Oakland, and I'm counting on one of those ridiculous never-shoulda-happened wins over a demonstrably superior, playoff-bound NFC East team that leaves us all shaking our heads, if not outright weeping, at what coulda been... so I voted for zero to three wins the rest of the way.

I wish I had the confidence REX voices above, but I wouldn't count on a team that has lost to Detroit and Carolina to win anything.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 16, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

To all the Jerry Gray critics,

Please. The defense is not the problem on this team, and neither is DHall.

Posted by: p1funk

going back to last year, how many game ending drives did the D allow the opposition to win? This year, against the "lowly" Lions, they allow a 99 yard drive, and couldn't get the Panthers off the field either.
The O and the D are in need of major work and it starts with heart transplants for most all of them.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 16, 2009 10:26 AM |

In the opening loss to the Giants, 3 DBs whiffed on Manningham's 34 yd TD trot. Who coaches the DBs? There is some talent on the D side of the ball. It's the players though, not the coaches, who hopefully all will be gonzo after the season is over.

Posted by: ElDrano | October 16, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I just got finished watching Riggens videos on youtube. Dude is like what 900 and still probably is in better shape than clinton portis.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 16, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

prophet: One who foretells future events.

Nate, if the prophesied "future events" never happen, then the prophet is what we call a false prophet. And, he's not prophetic but pathetic. Except, in 4-12's case we can make an exception because he's funny. And, I mean funny, not "funny."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 16, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

smh @ the finger pointing... once again...

It's them all, y'all. Them all.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I just got finished watching Riggens videos on youtube. Dude is like what 900 and still probably is in better shape than clinton portis.

Posted by: alex35332 |

WFT! Are you kidding me!!! Riggo looks like a person that drinks way too much. Love the guy but let's keep it real. Just come out and say you don't like CP.

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Don't get me started.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

please don't.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 16, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNK47XFQEjM

Chris Paul's week 6 mix. This is a must listen. Get hyped.

Posted by: psps23 | October 16, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Thank you thank you thank you to WaPo for finding SOMETHING positive report about re: the Skins:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/15/AR2009101503849.html

I said it before, I'll say it again. For sports prose (i.e., actual articles), Paul Tenorio is an excellent writer. [For all the hate many peeps had about Jasno's blogging, he IS an outstanding writer (articles) for capturing the vibe of what really happens in games/on the team.] No one writer, however, turned a phrase better than Boswell when he referred to one of Rocky Mac's kill shots as "lust for mayhem." Maybe its reckless and therefore stupid football, but it is what I've loved about the Skins' defense. RIP Sean Taylor.

Posted by: dcsween | October 16, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I wish I had the confidence REX voices above, but I wouldn't count on a team that has lost to Detroit and Carolina to win anything.

Posted by: NateinthePDX
++++++++++

My mistake. I thought I was voting for total wins for the season. I would still vote 4-6, but lean heavily toward 4.

My confidence (which isn't much really) comes from the fact that every game we play in is close, regardless of how good the opponent is. That's been true for years. From there it's just a statistically high probability that some of those will result in wins.

Now that could all change with our paper thing o-line, but I'm saying 3-4 more wins as long as the games stay close.

Posted by: REXskins | October 16, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Un-F*&^%$ing believable! People sticking up for Jerry Gray, whose making excuses for DH23 not being able to tackle?!

Yes, the D overall isnt the main problem on this team. Its the O as everyone knows. But to make excuses for a guy who got a BIG payday and is eating up a significant amount of cap space is ridiculous. You play football Deangelo. You tackle the guy with the ball. And you do it like a professional who gets paid like you. ESPECIALLY when its 3rd down in the 4th quarter and your team has burned all its timeouts.

Carlos may not be able to catch a cold, but at least the guy can tackle.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 16, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Agree to disagree on "prophetic," t_e. It is what it is.

Or should I say it will be what it will be.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 16, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

going back to last year, how many game ending drives did the D allow the opposition to win? This year, against the "lowly" Lions, they allow a 99 yard drive, and couldn't get the Panthers off the field either.
The O and the D are in need of major work and it starts with heart transplants for most all of them.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 16, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse


Are you kidding me??

You tell me how many "game ending drives" the D allowed last year. But when the offense isn't sustaining drives, when the punting game sucks and when the offense can't even average 20 points a game they are ALWAYS going to be close.

Un-freakin-believable.

You want to pee on the defense because they aren't the 85 Bears or the 2000 Ravens.

There will always be work that needs to happen on both sides of the ball. But if you really think the problems with this team are stemming from the defense or that the D is in the same kind of dire straights as the offense, you are...I don't even know what the right word would be...

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Dude, watch the video of Riggo pushing the giant tree stump up a rock path by his house. He does not even slow down till he is done.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 16, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I wish Riggins would just go the f away already.

Dude talks more sh** about Portis than a little bit about being mouthy and does the same sh**! It's like he can't keep Portis' name out of his mouth. Damn. Obsessed much?

I think Portis respectfully aired his ass out with these comments:

* "I think he was a great running back, but, you know, think of who else was around him,” Portis said. “That was really not hard to be a great running back when you’ve got that talent all around you. I think they just had great teams, you know. I think everybody who played in that era as a running back is big around here."

* "The idea for him to be a legend, and to hate as much as he hate,” Portis said. “To be upset that I’m on his tracks, for the comments or the ill will that he has toward me and don’t know me. You know, it’s crazy. You did your thing. The people around here love you, and I’m not trying to replace you. I don’t want to be you. Your background check and my background check are totally different, so I really don’t feel like he can comment on nothing I do."

* "It ain’t no ill will,” Portis said. “I’m minding my business, and hopefully he’ll do the same. … He deserves to be a legend. And I can see why the town appreciates him when you put in that kind of work for an organization and the fans are that crazy about you. You should be appreciated."

The dude Riggins is a hater, plain and simple. For what, I have no idea. I just wish he shut the f up and go take his old ass a nap already.

Portis will pass him this year or next. He should just shut the f up, tip his cap, and deal with it. No need to be sour about it.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Carlos may not be able to catch a cold, but at least the guy can tackle.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 16, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse


Pick your poison. DHall may not be able to tackle all that well, but at least he can turn an INT that hits him flush in the hands.

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Well, REX, "how [the Redskins] will finish" could be interpreted as what their final record will be OR how they will play for the remainder of the season, so I see how you wound up where you wound up.

Good grief, I wish this team had played better so far. Even with the same record, if they had played better it would be so much easier to have confidence in them.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 16, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I got the question wrong too, thinking it was total wins for the season.

We can win all our home games, win in Oakland and steal a win in either D*ll*s or Philly.

That would be, at least, 10-6 with 4-2 in the division.

Playoffs baby, playoffs!

No, I haven't been drinking...

Posted by: stevebeagrie | October 16, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

In fairness to 4-12, and in true Jean Dixon-style hindsight prognostication, his handle doesn't say Redskins 4-12. just 4-12 and some team finishes 4-12 every year. I think I need to stop watchin those Nostrodamus shows on The History Channel.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 16, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

WFT! Are you kidding me!!! Riggo looks like a person that drinks way too much. Love the guy but let's keep it real. Just come out and say you don't like CP.

Posted by: jm220

Maybe he's had so much alcohol that it has actually preserved him. Seriously, Portis may be a little out of shape but I wouldn't think Riggo looked to be in better shape. I think Portis has become a between the tackles running back and the team is going to need to look elsewhere for a running back that can get to the edge. I think Portis can still be effective this season, but they have to use him wisely. What the team should have done already is sort out if Alridge can contribute and they should be using Mason a little more to spell Portis.

The comments from Vinny about Campbell were, "Is he a franchise quarterback?" I think that needs to be asked about Portis, too. "Is he still a franchise running back?" I don't think so. The team needs to start planning for life without Portis and they should be giving these young guys an opportunity to show what they have.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 16, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

In the opening loss to the Giants, 3 DBs whiffed on Manningham's 34 yd TD trot. Who coaches the DBs? There is some talent on the D side of the ball. It's the players though, not the coaches, who hopefully all will be gonzo after the season is over.

Posted by: ElDrano | October 16, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Dude, open your freakin eyes... the coaches are ABSOLUTELY responsible for the play on the field. They all share in the responsibilites, but it starts with the coaches pushing players in practice and demanding they tackle like a professional football player. Sounds like Jerry Gray doesnt care enough or isnt tough enough to stand up to a guy like Hall whose making the big bucks.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 16, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Pick your poison. DHall may not be able to tackle all that well, but at least he can turn an INT that hits him flush in the hands.

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

My point is not to make excuses for a guy who refuses to make the effort to tackle like a pro. Like he SHOULD. And def dont make excuses for a DB coach who refuses to demand more from his star player.

I fault HAll more for not tackling over Rogers not being able to catch. Not being able to catch seems more like a lack of hand eye coordination or natural ability. Dont try to tell me someone couldnt learn to tackle better if they TRIED.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 16, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

RE: Rogers & Hall

Yea, Rogers can tackle but he also gets beat on TD passes as well -- more often than he should.

He also drops A LOT of potential INTs

The dude Hall gets beat too -- more than his fair share. He can't tackle. But he gets INTs.

It comes down to two simple question: Do you want the guy who will more often than not make the tackle, but will drop many picks, and from time to time get beat on TDs (especially in the red zone)?

Or do you want the guy who can't tackle well and takes chances he shouldn't that results in him getting beat, but can create game changing turnovers that will present the offense with a chance to score, if he doesn't do it himself?

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

A good team can be had with just 4 draft picks. That's what I'm trying to say. Ben didn't win that super bowl, James Harrison did. Ben threw 1 TD in that super bowl. It just happened to be in the 4th quarter. James Harrison won that game by taking a surefire Cards TD and running it back for a score. That was a 14 point swing and that ultimately won the game. Everything doesn't have to be perfect for Campbell. It just has to not suck. Our oline, RB, play calling, and flanker all suck. The point is that we have more replaceable players than Campbell. We don't have 1 ligitimate tackle right now. We absolutely have to grab 2 starting tackles in the draft. That means we absllutely have to use first or early second rounders on them. Rabach sucks and Portis is too old. They both need replaced before Campbell. If 2012 rolls around and Campbell still sucks then by all means throw him on the first bus to Oakland. I'm fine with that but he could be good by then. If he is good by then then that's 1 less first rounder we have to use. We can use that first rounder on another position.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 16, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse


2012???

So our QB that does not have a winning record in this league despite playing on some teams with a really good defense gets a 6-7 year audition to prove that he "doesn't suck".

I agree wholeheartedly that we need to draft Oline.

Campbell may not be the biggest problem on the team, but he's not a solution either.

Yeah, we are 4 draft picks away...as long as those draft picks are

1) the second coming of Jonathan Ogden
2) the seoncd coming of Joe Jacoby
3) the second coming of Walter Payton
4) the second coming of Jerry Rice

It would seem every team is about 4 draft picks away...

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

4-12 with campbell

10-6 with collins and playoffs

Posted by: cavalieri10 | October 16, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

"Pick your poison."

Apparently, that's become good enough.

Heyer can't run-block for crap, but at least he can pass-protect.

Kelly can't get separation, but at least he has great hands.

Thomas can't catch a mildly difficult ball, but at least he can get separation.

BMW can drive people off the line, but can't pass protect for his life.

Orakpo can't cover in the open field, but he can pass-rush with the best of them.

Landry can't time a receiver's movement, but at least he can lay the wood when he connects.

Rogers can't catch a cold, but he can tackle.

And Hall can snipe picks with the best of them, just can't stop an old, slow QB from gaining seven yards without a single blocker in front of him.

It's a good thing we we just brush over these minor flaws.

Posted by: psps23 | October 16, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Or do you want the guy who can't tackle well and takes chances he shouldn't that results in him getting beat, but can create game changing turnovers that will present the offense with a chance to score, if he doesn't do it himself?

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse


Once again, I'm trying to think of some instances where DHall took risks and got beat real bad.

Yeah, I remember the preseason game against the Pats. But lots of good DBs are gonna get beat by the second greatest WR to play the game of football.

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I'm going to wait for Hall to make a tackle before I judge his tackling.

Posted by: Gweez | October 16, 2009 10:40 AM


Haha, best one-liner ever!

On a serious note, how did we find so many "NFL Calibre" coaches who are so soft they wouldn't be qualified to coach ballet?

Turnovers are more important than tackling? Seriously? Shoot, I'd take three and outs for the rest of eternity from the defense before I'll accept D.Hall's feast or famine coverage style and sloppy tackling (if you can call it that, "tackling" usually implies that you stopped someone).

Posted by: ecale25 | October 16, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

It's a good thing we we just brush over these minor flaws.

Posted by: psps23 | October 16, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse


Right psps, because that's what we're doing. Brushing over the minor flaws.

No, you are right. We should cut DeAngelo Hall and draft a CB with our No.1 overall pick next year.

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, we are 4 draft picks away...as long as those draft picks are

1) the second coming of Jonathan Ogden
2) the seoncd coming of Joe Jacoby
3) the second coming of Walter Payton
4) the second coming of Jerry Rice

It would seem every team is about 4 draft picks away...

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Try
2010
1) Russel Okung
2) Kristofer O'Dowd

2011
3) Brian Bulaga
4) Javhied Best

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 16, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

4-12 with campbell

10-6 with collins and playoffs

Posted by: cavalieri10

Wrong Collins was not 10-6. He only played 4 games if I am not mistaken. Please or please football god let Collins play soon. So people see how damn stupid they are for calling for him and his career will be over.

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

5-11

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

RE: Rogers & Hall

Yea, Rogers can tackle but he also gets beat on TD passes as well -- more often than he should.

He also drops A LOT of potential INTs

The dude Hall gets beat too -- more than his fair share. He can't tackle. But he gets INTs.

It comes down to two simple question: Do you want the guy who will more often than not make the tackle, but will drop many picks, and from time to time get beat on TDs (especially in the red zone)?

Or do you want the guy who can't tackle well and takes chances he shouldn't that results in him getting beat, but can create game changing turnovers that will present the offense with a chance to score, if he doesn't do it himself?

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

That would be accepting these guys for what they are. The coaches (Jerry Gray in particular) should not accept that this is what he gets with Hall (takes chances, gets picks, but cant tackle) or Rogers (cant catch, tackles well, gets beat occasionally) and "coach" these guys to be better.
I wont accept a def player not tackling. Wont, cant, never happen. Dont care how many pics he gets.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 16, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

D.Hall's feast or famine coverage style and sloppy tackling (if you can call it that, "tackling" usually implies that you stopped someone).

Posted by: ecale25 | October 16, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse


Once again, it would behoove the people accusing DHall of risky "feast or famine" coverage style to present some actual evidence of him taking dumb risks and getting badly beat in coverage.

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

The comments from Vinny about Campbell were, "Is he a franchise quarterback?" I think that needs to be asked about Portis, too. "Is he still a franchise running back?" I don't think so. The team needs to start planning for life without Portis and they should be giving these young guys an opportunity to show what they have.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

CP is the same due from last year that ran for over a thousand yards in the first 10 games. His speed hasn't changed from last year at all. The problem is when teams know you are running the majority of the time to the right, it becomes easy for a defense to stop. I found it funny as hell when Peppers knocked Heyer 4 yards back on that safety last week.

Its hard to judge CP if you look at what he's working with. He's the same dude from last year and he trasitioned himself to more of a power runner 2-3 years ago. I would love a speedster as a backup but "Buttefingers" Aldrige isn't the answer either.

Posted by: dcwun | October 16, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Wrong Collins was not 10-6. He only played 4 games if I am not mistaken. Please or please football god let Collins play soon. So people see how damn stupid they are for calling for him and his career will be over.

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Well there you and I agree.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 16, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

"No, you are right. We should cut DeAngelo Hall and draft a CB with our No.1 overall pick next year.

Posted by: p1funk"

Right, because that's exactly what I called for.

Posted by: psps23 | October 16, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

There is some talent on the D side of the ball. It's the players though, not the coaches, who hopefully all will be gonzo after the season is over.

Posted by: ElDrano | October 16, 2009 10:36 AM |

My bad. I meant "It's the coaches though, not the players, who hopefully all will be gonzo after the season is over."

Posted by: ElDrano | October 16, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Right, because that's exactly what I called for.

Posted by: psps23 | October 16, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse


Well you just admitted that you did. So there you go.

On a less sarcastic more serious note, let me put it like this:

Of all the problems currently plaguing the Redskins, where would you rank DeAngelo Hall's less than stellar tackling?

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

PSPS - You forgot one.

JC17 is too mechinical and slow to draw.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 16, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Alex all people have to do is go back to that Hawk playoff game. Look how bad he was under pressure. That was two years ago with a better line. He is two years older and two years slower. The line is no where near as good as it was two years ago. WTF do people think he is going to be able to do!! Oh he gets the ball out of his hands faster than JC. Yeah and two steps droping back to pass and his slow ass will be done.

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I'd be more impressed with Hall if any one of his interceptions came when he had shown good coverage and gotten good postion on a well thrown ball. He's got decent hands (great hands compared to Rogers) and catches the errant throw or deflection, which is important, but it'd be nice to have a top corner who could cover WR's better.

Posted by: skinswest | October 16, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Try
2010
1) Russel Okung
2) Kristofer O'Dowd

2011
3) Brian Bulaga
4) Javhied Best

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 16, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse


I'd like to try those draft picks just fine. Not sure that it will help Jason Campbell be any more than an average QB.

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I recall Hall getting burned in a game last season, it was a game the Skins won, so it could only be Seahawks or the second eagles game. The WR didnt catch the ball and it wasnt just once, it was 2 or 3 times. It wasnt talked about much due to the WR dropping the ball, but he did get burned big time and one was for a TD.

That game was why I wasnt sure about resigning this guy, but I guess it was better than having SS24 for 8 games at $7mill

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 16, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Agree to disagree on "prophetic," t_e. It is what it is.

Or should I say it will be what it will be.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 16, 2009 10:53 AM

Except that you're willing to accept "it will be what it won't be"....

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 16, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

That was a 14 point swing and that ultimately won the game.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 16, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse


Silly me. I thought the game-winning TD drive with 2:30 seconds left in the game orchestrated by Roethlisberger and Holmes ultimately won the game.

But thanks for straightening that out.

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I am with you J, I think that you don't put Collins in unless Campbell goes down.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 16, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I agree with PASkinsFan in that our biggest glaring need is the OL, not QB. After we get an OL that at least has potential (i.e. draft picks that complete the line), getting a QB is completely secondary. Whether that means you keep Campbell or not, it's up to Snyder, but getting another QB as a 1st (or even 2nd) round draft pick at this point is lunacy. Fix the OL first, then fix the QB position where the kid can develop without getting killed ala Patrick Ramsey.

As far as Hall - the lack of tackling ability should not be tolerated from ANYONE on this team. They are brought in to play fundamentally sound football and on the defense that means tackling. Period. Gray should not be allowing him to tackle horribly. The rest of the coaching staff shouldn't either.

This team is fundamentally unsound in so many ways that it isn't even funny, and that lies with the coaching staff. That also is why I say get rid of Zorn. If it was a lack of talent then we would have fundamental football, but get beat because we are too slow, not because we can't tackle or forget where the chains are on 3rd down, etc. In addition, having a mildly imaginative play caller would also be part of it, along with in-game adjustments, using our strengths and exploiting known weaknesses of our opponents. None of this is going on, and Zorn and the majority of his staff need to go.

Vinny also needs to go but that is already established.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | October 16, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

That would be accepting these guys for what they are. The coaches (Jerry Gray in particular) should not accept that this is what he gets with Hall (takes chances, gets picks, but cant tackle) or Rogers (cant catch, tackles well, gets beat occasionally) and "coach" these guys to be better.
I wont accept a def player not tackling. Wont, cant, never happen. Dont care how many pics he gets.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 16, 2009 11:09 AM

1st of all, what he says to reporters and players are two different things...unless he was trying to get a message across. Gray believes what Sellers and others have said. The Media is against them. So, he is just throwing out SJK that he thinks will appease the Media so they can back off and they can focus.

2nd, Dion Sanders never tackled but every owner was on his jock. (Though I never wanted him).

3rd, DHAll plays better cover D the CR22. Which I have observed since game 2. Especially in the Red Zone.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 16, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

recall Hall getting burned in a game last season, it was a game the Skins won, so it could only be Seahawks or the second eagles game. The WR didnt catch the ball and it wasnt just once, it was 2 or 3 times. It wasnt talked about much due to the WR dropping the ball, but he did get burned big time and one was for a TD.

That game was why I wasnt sure about resigning this guy, but I guess it was better than having SS24 for 8 games at $7mill

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 16, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse


OK. So you can recall one game where DHall got beat on some throws.

Was he taking dumb risks? Was he biting on pump fakes? Was he staring into the backfield trying to jump the route?

DHall has played in about 12 games for the Redskins. Are there any other games you can think of?

Or are you using just a couple of plays in one game to generalize about DHall's coverage skills?

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

p1funk, I'm not saying Campbell is great but would you rather replace him or go another season with no offensive line and a beat up RB with over 2000 carries? We need these guys replaced before we spend resources replacing campbell.

1. Samules has to be replaced.
2. Heyer has to be replaced.
3. Portis has to be replaced.
4. Rabach has to be replaced.

We could also use 2 guards, SLB, and a real FS more than we can use a new QB. We only have a limited number of draft picks. If we were in some dream world then yeah we could replace all of them but we're not. Realistically, you can only bank on starters coming out of the first 2 rounds and there aren't going to be many free agents available if we go uncapped.

Like it or not but these are our options.

In House
JC is better than Todd and Colt.

Free Agent
JC is the best free agent QB this year.

Draft
Destroy another rookie QB by putting him behind a crappy oline.

JC
Stick with an average QB and build a great team around him.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 16, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

agreed with JFK above, unless the OL improves/changes then getting another qb, is just lather, rinse, repeat, nothing will change, this offense wont improve, they wont score more points...2010, will be 2009, will be 2008, will be 2007.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 16, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

... It is what it is.

Or should I say it will be what it will be.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 16, 2009 10:53 AM

There's a Zepplin tune in there somewhere.

Posted by: dcsween | October 16, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

p1funk, I'm not saying Campbell is great but would you rather replace him or go another season with no offensive line and a beat up RB with over 2000 carries?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 16, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse


My point always has been this:

JC is an average QB with a losing record. I can understand if the team would want to go in a different direction at the position.

I do not think changing QBs is a bigger priority than upgrading the Oline, but I wouldn't kick and scream if the team sought to do both.

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I don't know if JC can become a great QB or not. One damn thing I am sure of is that if youd don't fix the line it is not going matter who is back there. For people calling for us to draft a QB without fixing the line first is the same thinking of Dan/Vinny. So when they do just that people need to shut the F up and don't btch about Dan/Vinny because they did the thing you wanted them to do.

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

My main concern for this season specifically is the lack of mojo between Campbell and the new WRs. My hope at the start of the season was that with our padded easy schedule, JC would develop a rhythm and a bond with the new guys that he could take forward into the harder games. Optimistically even with a bad O-line, developing the timing and trust could lead to quick throws under pressure.

Unfortunately that hasn't happened at all. It seems if anything there is LESS trust than ever, which is really bad considering Cooley will be blocking now, and Campbell will be forced to throw to these new guys. With the lack of trust and facing better defenses in the coming weeks, I think we'll see a lot more - hold the ball to long and get smashed - types of plays.

Posted by: REXskins | October 16, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

... I don't know about you, but I wouldn't turn down $23 mil if someone offered it.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 15, 2009 8:54 AM

I'm not so sure. Let's try. Hey, etrod, I'm offering you $23M. Will you take it?

Posted by: dcsween | October 15, 2009 10:37 AM

Offer not taken. Offer withdrawn. This etrod guy is a fraud.

Posted by: dcsween | October 16, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

t_e, I'm willing to accept that "Per my understanding of the term, It's 'prophetic' to assert that something will be, even if it turns out that that something does not come to pass."

I can do semantic nonsense all day, brother. This counts as jibba jabba for me.

Also, panties.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 16, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

"Of all the problems currently plaguing the Redskins, where would you rank DeAngelo Hall's less than stellar tackling?

Posted by: p1funk"

I understand that getting DHall to master his tackling wouldn't take this team from 2-3 to 4-1, but it's still a VERY fundamental aspect of the game. Hall played poorly in his first 2 games, and played excellent in his last 3.

Regardless, it's not about Deangelo Hall. It's about the team accepting the fact that these glaring weaknesses are found all over the field. It is not okay that a defensive player doesn't know how to tackle, just like it's not okay if a WR doesn't know how to catch, a lineman doesn't know how to block, or a DB doesn't know how to cover.

This team is breeding a culture of mediocrity by accepting these weaknesses. That's one thing that should never be allowed. And it starts up top with the coaches.

Posted by: psps23 | October 16, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Also, t_e, haven't seen you around much up here lately, the past week or so, good to see you in the mix, hope all is well, and etc.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 16, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

5-11

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 11:09 AM

Who are you talking to? Some relative?

Posted by: dcsween | October 16, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Rex go to Steinberg blog post on Monday (or it could be Tuesday) post of pictures from the game. You will see Panthers players coming in unblock. You see Heyer getting totally blown the F up. Explain to me how that is holding onto the ball too long.

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Since so many here are already committed to drafting a CB high in 2010 -- here's a look at who's available.

Patrick Robinson, Florida State, 5-11/193
Joe Haden, Florida, 5-11/190 (junior)
Jerome Murphy, South Florida, 6-0/186
Trevard Lindley, Kentucky, 5-11/177
Perrish Cox, Oklahoma State, 6-0/189
Syd'Quan Thompson, Cal, 5-8/184
Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, Indiana (Pa.), 6-0/198
Javier Arenas, Alabama, 5-8/193

These are all projected as first day picks. Probably two of them can be expected to go in the first round. Of course at CB there's almost always a surprise late riser.

But no, I suspect the Skins won't draft any of these.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 16, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

My point always has been this:

JC is an average QB with a losing record. I can understand if the team would want to go in a different direction at the position.

I do not think changing QBs is a bigger priority than upgrading the Oline, but I wouldn't kick and scream if the team sought to do both.

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

We don't have the resources to do both now. That's what I'm kicking and screaming about. We can replace Campbell later. For now let's replace the terrible players and worry about the average ones later. If 2012 rolls around and JC is still average and we don't have any bad players starting then we will replace him. It's just simple economics. You replace the worst first. It's not ideal but it's reality. I'm tired of band aids and I'm tired of new coaches and QBs. We've been doing that for 17 years. The real problem is the offensive line. With a dominant offensive line anybody can win back there.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 16, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, jm, next spring all I want to hear is the Commish announcing "with the [third to sixth] pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Washington Redskins select [awesome blue-chip player without history of injuries], offensive tackle from [legitimate fubbal program].

Their priorities should START with finding the next Joe Jacoby/Jim Lachey/Chris Samuels. (They do not appear to have found that in Stephon Heyer, may God bless and keep him.)

After getting that franchise LT, re-stocking the rest of the line is second priority. THEN we get to the issue of QB. I believe that a solid, competent, dependable QB can look great playing behind a great O line, while a great QB cannot look great playing behind a lousy O line.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 16, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

samson, unless those CB's can play LT, then no thanks....

everything, EVERYTHING is going to hinge on the offensive line improving next year. They could bring in Adrian Peterson, and Tom Brady, and you're still gonna have the same results...unless the FO figures this out, and embraces changing the line, then next season is doomed as well....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 16, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Hey, guys! I got way too much time here at work and a bit bored today. Since the Skins aren't going anywhere this year I've decided to build my imaginary Skin defense team - picking Redskins players from past to future (supposely they're all at the age of 25). How scary does this look?

RDE - Dexter Manley
LDE - Charles Mann -- Sadly, we never had another great DE since the 80's
DT - Dave Butz
DT - Hayenworth
MLB - A.Pierce -- I wanted to go with London, he is a better tackler but AP is the brain of the defense.
ILB - M. Washington
OLB - W.Marshall
CB - Darrell Green (No brainer)
CB - Champ Bailey
SS - A.Waton
S - Sean Taylor (By default)

Posted by: demonj21 | October 16, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

So true Nate. OL is all I want to hear. Nothing else.

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

THe O - line was an identified problem last year...nothing was done about it ..and here we are suffering through this again...the people running this organization are obviously not football people...business people yes, football people NO ! Danny should sell before he runs a proud franchise further into the ground !!!

Posted by: dl51 | October 16, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Who are you talking to? Some relative?

Posted by: dcsween | October 16, 2009 11:31 AM

I'm trying to be a little more optimi...optometri....obtus...obfusca...um, less unhappy about the Washington "Professional" football franchise.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Hey, guys! I got way too much time here at work and a bit bored today. Since the Skins aren't going anywhere this year I've decided to build my imaginary Skin defense team - picking Redskins players from past to future (supposely they're all at the age of 25). How scary does this look?

RDE - Dexter Manley
LDE - Charles Mann -- Sadly, we never had another great DE since the 80's
DT - Dave Butz
DT - Hayenworth
MLB - A.Pierce -- I wanted to go with London, he is a better tackler but AP is the brain of the defense.
ILB - M. Washington
OLB - W.Marshall
CB - Darrell Green (No brainer)
CB - Champ Bailey
SS - A.Waton
S - Sean Taylor (By default)

Posted by: demonj21 | October 16, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Where's Chris Hanburger ?? , Paul Krause ??

Posted by: dl51 | October 16, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

9-11 wins??? This is madness...

Madness?
THIS! IS! WASHINGTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Club320 | October 16, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I'd also like to see a real strong side linebacker instead of Orakpo playing both positions. It's not too much of a problem right now but just wait until Witten, Tony G, Shockey, and Celek play against us.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 16, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Kansas City's 3-4 front:

Over Heyer, Glenn Dorsey (1st round pick last year ... on the season, 15 tackles (12 solo), no sacks)

At NT, Ron Edwards (7 year vet, mostly at Buffalo .. 6 tackles, 3 solo)

Over Williams, Tyson Jackson (1st round pick this year ... 5 tackles, 3 solo).

Inside LBs: Demorrio Williams (32, 28 solo, no sacks) and Corey Mays (25, 18 solo, no sacks)

Outside: Vrabel (21, 19 solo, no sacks) and Tamba Hali (1st round pick 4 years ago ... 14, 11 solo, 2 sacks ... he's on Heyer/Dockery's side). Vrabel leads the league for defenders scoring offensive TDs with 11.

Kansas overall defense: 32th out of 32
Passing defense: 29th of 32
Rush defense: 25th of 32

Bottom line: If there is "least bad" week to have a woeful offensive line, this should be the one.

Posted by: dcsween | October 16, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I'd also like to see a real strong side linebacker instead of Orakpo playing both positions. It's not too much of a problem right now but just wait until Witten, Tony G, Shockey, and Celek play against us.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17

That is another thing. Draft damn guys to play the position they excel in. Not draft them and then try to change them into something esle.

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

to even have a shot a being a playoff team we needed a ton of luck.....our QB needs make a huge step and become a playmaker and a true leader (i'm not sold) we need another reciever to emerge, based on what I ve seen (not sold) and we needed our line which was only decent to begin with to stay healthy (Luck) ...that ship has sailed.... can only hope now that we give some of the young guys on the roster more opportunities... i still like our defense...from here we can either come unravelled completely or hang on and fight to finish with 6 to 8 wins.....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | October 16, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Wrong Collins was not 10-6. He only played 4 games if I am not mistaken. Please or please football god let Collins play soon. So people see how damn stupid they are for calling for him and his career will be over.
Posted by: jm220
_____
He's not wrong.. he was predicting what Collins WOULD do IF he got a chance to play. But Wow all this hatred toward Collins.. what has he ever done to you??? Were you rooting for him to fail in 2007 also. Some fan you are. Look I want Collins to play because I think he would give the Skins a better chance to win. But before Collins I rooted for Campbell.. in fact in 2006 I was glad they benched Brunell and put Campbell in.. he didn't help the Skins went I believe 2-5.. but I was rooting for him. And BTW before you call people damn stupid for wanting to try something different remember Sonny Jurgensen also believes Collins gives the Skins a better chance to win. Now I don't know you but I bet it's pretty safe to say Sonny has more football knowledge than you have.

Posted by: sovine08 | October 16, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

I wish Heyer made a better wall than a turnstile....

(cue 4th to tell us that Heyer is actually good....)

Posted by: chrislarry | October 16, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

The dude Riggins is a hater, plain and simple. For what, I have no idea. I just wish he shut the f up and go take his old ass a nap already.

Portis will pass him this year or next. He should just shut the f up, tip his cap, and deal with it. No need to be sour about it.

Posted by: RedDMV

Tip his cap to what? You really think Riggins cares if Portis passes him in yards? The "dude" is a Hall of Famer and Super Bowl MVP. He's got a ring, a bust and a canary yellow jacket. Portis has some wrestling belt he put on in KC.

I've been a CP26 supporter for years. I've got his tired-ass jersey I keep putting on every Sunday cuz I'm tryin to believe when CP says "it's only a matter of time". Time's running out. I don't give JC17 a pass for a bad O-line, and CP26 should get the same treatment. He needs to put the team on his back and win some games.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 16, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

As one of the founders of the keep Campbell while you replace the 9 other guys on the starting offence and their worthless backups that need replacing movement. I am glad to see that idea is finally taking hold.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 16, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I am pro Portis and Riggins. To me Portis is exactly like Riggins was, (no practice/loud mouth/costumes/character/bruising runner...) so I sorta don't get Riggins beef. Or maybe that is the beef

BUTT. Riggins is bringing the heat against this org, and I love it.

Riggins briar in azz over Portis is basically the only view i differ from him.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 16, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

next spring all I want to hear is the Commish announcing "with the [third to sixth] pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Washington Redskins select [awesome blue-chip player without history of injuries], offensive tackle from [legitimate fubbal program].

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 16, 2009 11:38 AM

Sure, that's what you'd like to hear. But 3-6th pick? Man, Vinnie can trade that for something special.

I prophesy that he trades it: (a) with the second and next year's first to move up to #1 or #2, or (b) for some receiver in his contract year plus the other team's #3 and #6 picks.

As for all the other needs on the team? He will have already "fixed" them to Mr. Snyder's satisfaction in free agency.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 16, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"keep Campbell while you replace the 9 other guys on the starting offence"

Aw ALEX say it ain't so!

Posted by: ElYeah | October 16, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Just put in Todd Collins already! He sees the plays develop alot faster than the deer in the headlights that wears #17. When Campbell went down in 07, Collins was NFC offensive player for the month of December, as well as having a passer rating above 100. Everytime Jason steps back in the pocket my heart stops.

I also don't want to hear that Collins was a product of Al Saunders system. It's football, guys take off and run, and you throw the ball to them.Not rocket science.

Collins is better at doing that than Jason is, and has a much faster release.

If we want to stay in the hunt for the wildcard Collins has to come in.

Posted by: iH8dallas | October 16, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Once again, it would behoove the people accusing DHall of risky "feast or famine" coverage style to present some actual evidence of him taking dumb risks and getting badly beat in coverage.

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 11:10 AM


How About Mario Manningham's 19.8 (!) ypc average in week one. That was D.Hall's man. That a good enough example?

Or should I mention Steve Smith's 13.0 ypc average last week?


Or Antonio Bryant's 11.0 YPC average the week before?

He did fairly well against C. Johnson, holding him to only 9.8 ypc...

K. Burton is listed as the Rams #1 receiver, but I'm not sure if he was during the skins game so I'll let that one slide (19.0 YPC Average)

I will admit that none of those receivers had over 100 yards (but only two of those opposing QB's cracked 200 yards passing on the day TOTAL). That being said, on average every catch D.Hall gives up is at or beyond the first down marker. That is not acceptable of a #1 corner making 55mil. Especially when you add in that he can't tackle to save his life.

Posted by: ecale25 | October 16, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

we are going to beat the Eagles on Monday Night.

Posted by: lszovati | October 16, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

HEyer is good, but he had a bad game against a great DLine in Carolina.

Just wait until you see him beast out @ LT.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 16, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

i beat the eagle mon/tue/wed....oh I see you meant the Philly Eagles...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 16, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Looking back, "I want winners" will go down as one of the greatest NFL coach speeches of all time. Mike Singletary takes no sh!t.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 16, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

i beat the eagle mon/tue/wed....oh I see you meant the Philly Eagles...

Posted by: chrislarry

Punched the clown?

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 16, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

"HEyer is good, but he had a bad game against a great DLine in Carolina.

Just wait until you see him beast out @ LT."

No, no he is not & won't. Dude has been abused every week.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 16, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

4th- Do you mean that "great DLine" in Carolina that was giving up almost 190 yards rushing per game before the Skins game?

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

In this week's New Yorker, Malcolm Gladwell has a fascinating article, "Offensive Play: How different are dogfighting and football?"

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/10/19/091019fa_fact_gladwell

It reports on studies about the extent of brain damage (based on autopsies of athletes' brains) that NFL players suffer. It's scary.

I'm not sure I will be able to watch the game, especially the concussions, with the same pleasure I had before I read this.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 16, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

With current front office "management", the Redskins are the Raiders of the NFC.

Let's recap:

Campbell = 2nd rate NFL QB
Worst offensive line in the NFL
Portis = over the hill RB
Haynesworth = OVERPRICED, OVERWEIGHT, out of shape DL
Orakpo = inexperienced LB who would probably proser on another team like the Giants, but on this team, he's just another Rocky McIntosh
Wide Receivers are 2nd rate, the recent Big 3 draft picks are 3rd rate
DBs are overrated, especially Rogers
The Defense has not been the same since the unfortunate death of their All pro free safety from UM

This team will be lucky to go 3-13, NO wins in the NFC East this year.

Zorn will be gone this season, maybe after the coming Monday night disaster against the Eagles.

Who would pay good money to go watch this bunch of bums at Fedex?

It's Snyder-Vinny's fantasy football game, they have no clue how to run a winning NFL franchise.

Posted by: mikepem01 | October 16, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

At some point this season I would like to see Zorn(if he's here long enough), to pull a Coach K.

If the starters are sucking it up, bench all of them and put in the second stringers. At least those guys will be hungry to prove something.

So far I have seen no heart from this team, except London Fletcher, Reed Doughty, Orakpo and Jarmon.

Keep them in the game and put in Mason, Marko, Collins, Yoder etc....See what happens.What can we lose at this point?

Posted by: iH8dallas | October 16, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Just for the sake of fairness, here are the stats of the #2 receivers that were matched up on CR22.


Player Catches Yds AVG

M. Muhammad 5 39 7.8

M. Clayton 0 0 0.0

B. Johnson 4 73 18.3

L. Robinson 6 54 9.0

S. Smith 6 80 13.3

Posted by: ecale25 | October 16, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure I will be able to watch the game, especially the concussions, with the same pleasure I had before I read this.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 16, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Give me Albert Haynesworth's contract, and I'll take all the concussions they can give me.

Posted by: iH8dallas | October 16, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Difference being - one can walk away from playing football.

c'mon, seriously? Thaz some weak bs. I don't even want to read it.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

RE DeAngelo Hall: He'll always be the 2nd best corner on any decent team. That's what he was signed for; play opposite Carlos Rogers (or whoever his replacement is should they decide against Carlos, which would be a mistake) and snag INTs.

He doesn't tackle, he never really did. He's a corner of Deion Sanders mold, not the Champ Bailey mold.

The debate is whether you want that type of corner, not whether he's living up to expectations.

RE OLine: Heyer is a back-up; they need a new starting LT. My question to you all is:

Given the current projections for players declaring for the draft, would it be better to 1) draft a top-flight QB and sit him for a year while the line is rebuilt over 2 years or 2) keep/find some moderately skilled QB and draft a LT with the first pick, followed by a Center, RT/RG?

I'm conflicted; I could make a case either way and curious what you guys think.

Posted by: AppleScience | October 16, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

recall Hall getting burned in a game last season, it was a game the Skins won, so it could only be Seahawks or the second eagles game. The WR didnt catch the ball and it wasnt just once, it was 2 or 3 times. It wasnt talked about much due to the WR dropping the ball, but he did get burned big time and one was for a TD.

That game was why I wasnt sure about resigning this guy, but I guess it was better than having SS24 for 8 games at $7mill

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 16, 2009 11:17 AM


Desean Jackson ran ALL OVER hall last year. Luckily D. Jackson had a bout of CR22-Itus and dropped all the passes where he made D.Hall look like the third string corner for my local high school.

Posted by: ecale25 | October 16, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

4-12. This, down from the 10-6 I was predicting at the start of the season. Wins over KC on Sunday, and either Oakland there or Dallas here.

Posted by: rbpalmer | October 16, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Definitely need to draft the best OT at the board with our first 2 picks.

There are plenty of veteran qbs we can sign if we dont resign JC.

Drafting a QB before the 4th round would be a huge mistake.

Needs, by order of priority:
OL
OL
RB
OL
RB
OL
RB

I think you get the point

Posted by: m1ke3i6 | October 16, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

IF you are season ticket holder...you may be jealous.....

http://www.denverpost.com/premium/broncos/ci_13572632

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 16, 2009 10:28 AM


I don't understand this story. Why would you reduce ticket prices for people under contract in response to the recession, when instead you could just sue them if they can't continue to pay? How does that make any sense at all?

Posted by: freakzilla | October 16, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Given the current projections for players declaring for the draft, would it be better to 1) draft a top-flight QB and sit him for a year while the line is rebuilt over 2 years or 2) keep/find some moderately skilled QB and draft a LT with the first pick, followed by a Center, RT/RG?

I'm conflicted; I could make a case either way and curious what you guys think.

Posted by: AppleScience

ALWAYS start with the line and work your way out from there. If you need help remembering this policy, just think of the following names: Heath Shuler, Akili Smith, Cade McNown, Tim Couch, Alex Smith.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 16, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

We don't have the resources to do both now. That's what I'm kicking and screaming about. We can replace Campbell later. For now let's replace the terrible players and worry about the average ones later. If 2012 rolls around and JC is still average and we don't have any bad players starting then we will replace him. It's just simple economics. You replace the worst first. It's not ideal but it's reality. I'm tired of band aids and I'm tired of new coaches and QBs. We've been doing that for 17 years. The real problem is the offensive line. With a dominant offensive line anybody can win back there.
Posted by: PAskinsfan17
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First off we aren't keeping JC around till 2012.. his contract is up and they will NOT resign him. After this season they don't see him as the QB of the future and they will not pay starting QB money to a guy they want to replace. Second were did you learn this replace worst first??? When rebuilding you replace MORE IMPORTANT POSITION FIRST! Think back when the Cowboys had to rebuild they started at QB and drafted Aikman first. The team went 1-15 but they had their leader in place. Same last year with the 5-11 Falcons.. they drafted their QB in Ryan. This year the Lions drafted Stanford (and do really think on a 0-16 team their QB was there biggest problem?? They do have Culpepper remember). Same with the Jets.. ALL these teams had bigger problems than QB but when when you decide to rebuild.. you almost always start with getting your QB in place to build your team around! So Campbell will be gone. Collins still has a year left so they MIGHT keep him as a bridge to the next guy. Big question is Colt Brennan.. They pay him nothing now so he will be in minicamp. How he looks to the new coach will decide whether they're try to make him the QB of the future or look to draft a QB. Now if there are no QB's they like.. They might try a trade for a QB and he would be either long or short term answer considering who they get. If Skins don't draft a QB they will draft an OLman first.. the rest will be picked up in trades or in free agentcy.. defense will probably see little if any changes.

Posted by: sovine08 | October 16, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the OL situation will force a simplification of the offense featuring more screens and draws that somehow leads to greater success.

Hey, I think I found a reason to watch the game. . . damn it. Sucker.

Dan Snyder, we appreciate that you are a fan and want to win and are willing to fork over the money like Bux-ton. It's probably not an easy thing to do, but you really need to delegate and remove yourself.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 16, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

4th- Do you mean that "great DLine" in Carolina that was giving up almost 190 yards rushing per game before the Skins game?


Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 12:21 PM

Yes...That one. They had a bad 3 games against 3 good playoff bound teams, save for the CowGirls.

Let's see what Carolina does going forward.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 16, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I think the draft should go like this:
GM
HC
OL
OL
OL
RB
Patriots trade Bob Craft to Washington for Daniel Snyder

Posted by: iH8dallas | October 16, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Given the current projections for players declaring for the draft, would it be better to 1) draft a top-flight QB and sit him for a year while the line is rebuilt over 2 years or 2) keep/find some moderately skilled QB and draft a LT with the first pick, followed by a Center, RT/RG?

Posted by: AppleScience | October 16, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

My thoughts on this are as follows:

1)Jason Campbell will not be here next year, Snyder desperately wants a Franchise QB, and it isnt Campbell. Do I think if they rebuilt the line and gave him protection that he could excel, yes. That requires patience, Snyder does not know what that word means. So we will either draft someone or overpay for someones cast off

2) It makes sense to draft nothing but O-line man, therefore we will draft 3 kickers and a waterboy.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 16, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

And I say three more wins. KC, Oakland, and week 16 when we host Dallas in a meaningless game a few weeks after we've both been mathematically eliminated from the postseason.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 16, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

The team went 1-15 but they had their leader in place. Same last year with the 5-11 Falcons.. they drafted their QB in Ryan. This year the Lions drafted Stanford (and do really think on a 0-16 team their QB was there biggest problem?? They do have Culpepper remember). Same with the Jets.. ALL these teams had bigger problems than QB but when when you decide to rebuild..

Posted by: sovine08 | October 16, 2009 12:35 PM

I disagree w/ this. Falcons, Jets all hvae built their OL first. Check out how many #1 draft picks are on the Jets line. The year the Falcons drafted Ryan, they also got Michael Turner. The Jets have Thomas Jones and Leon Washington b4 Sanchez. The same can be said of the Ravens. The new model is to build a solid line, have a competent running game then draft your franchise QB.

Posted by: TWISI | October 16, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Freak - there are only two games that REALLY matter anyway.... he he he.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Freak - there are only two games that REALLY matter anyway.... he he he.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 12:42 PM

Dik,

There's only one game that REALLY matters, and we're not going to be there again this year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 16, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

2010 - 1) Taylor Mays USC 3) Selvish Capers, WV 4) Ed Wang VT
2011 - 1) Brian Bulaga Iowa 2) Mike Pouncey UFla 3) Kelvin Shepard LSU
2012 - 1) Robert Forcier
2013 - SUPERBOWL!!!

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 16, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

good piece about dHall! Its 3-4 weeks late but at least its supportive, logical, and reasonable.

We have 2 decent starting CBs, one is a great tackler and can't catch and one makes picks, is a return threat and can't tackle. That's the long and short of it.

Dhall did put the final hit on the Panthers FB stopping the 4th and goal play.

Do people really think Gray should be publicly criticizing dHall? With the state of the union I do not. I think he can do that in practice and the meeting room.

2 positive pieces today, good work! And a poll?

Just remember 65% of RI voters would have cut Suisham for a guy that was 1 for 1 last season.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 16, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

BUTT. Riggins is bringing the heat against this org, and I love it.

Agreed cL. I'm loving Riggo and hate saying it, but Joey T. They blast Vinny & Danny whenever possible.

BTW....CAPS looked GOOD last night, the Skins stink has been removed. OVIE!

Posted by: ksquare | October 16, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I forgot. Pick up a RB FA or in 2012 draft.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 16, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

2010 - 1) Taylor Mays USC 3) Selvish Capers, WV 4) Ed Wang VT

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 16, 2009 12:46 PM

Ed Wang? Like we don't have enough already.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 16, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I'd also like to see a real strong side linebacker instead of Orakpo playing both positions. It's not too much of a problem right now but just wait until Witten, Tony G, Shockey, and Celek play against us.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17

That is another thing. Draft damn guys to play the position they excel in. Not draft them and then try to change them into something esle.

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2009 11:48 AM

There's this guy in Baltimore (he's listed as an OLB, plays more snaps at OLB than DE) who played all his college snaps at DE. No one up there complains about Suggs' position description. But agreed, after Week 5, a 1st round #13 draft pick rookie should be playing as well as Terrell Suggs.

Also, because its Friday, F Dallas.

Posted by: dcsween | October 16, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

2012 - 1) Robert Forcier

If all goes as planned, I think this guy will be something special.
Posted by: dpc2003 | October 16, 2009 12:46 PM

Posted by: TWISI | October 16, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to be optimistic in at least one way about the Skins - the hope that Danny might sell the team one day. Judging by how concerned he is about the paper bags, I think that public embarrassment has a big impact on him.

I think if that chant really roared week after week, regardless of what drastic changes he makes to coaching staff or players, I think eventually he would sell the team.


Posted by: REXskins | October 16, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

REX, I wish I could agree with you, I really do, but I just don't see it happening. My sliver of hope for the future comes from the thought that eventually Snyder will realize that the 'Skins' decade of mediocrity has been caused by ineptitude at the top, and that he will then fire Cerrato, hire the best GM that he can find, and stop meddling in personnel decisions. The guy may be arrogant and obnoxious, but I really don't believe that he's stupid, too. I may be tilting at windmills, too, but I really think that this scenario is more likely than Snyder selling the team.

Posted by: rbpalmer | October 16, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I agree, it's Friday. F* Dallas

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 16, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

As I've said many times - I'll take two wins over dallas every year vs. superbowl. That's the way I'm wired. I know, but I'm not the only Skins fan that's like that, I'm sure.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

HEyer is good, but he had a bad game against a great DLine in Carolina.

Just wait until you see him beast out @ LT.

Posted by: 4thFloor

4th most time I am with you on stuff but not this one. Heyer straight sucks!

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Re-sign JC (3 years, offer reflecting this year's results) and pay attention to the line of scrimmage. Trade down out of the top ten picks (yes, that's where they will be) but stay in the first round and get a damb offensive tackle. ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN WITH QUICK FIXES. The hardest part to resist is going for a jersey selling RB to replace one of the 8th season vets (Portis, Betts, Cartwright). Skins should have been drafting to replace Randy Thomas and Chris Samuels two seasons ago (see Baltimore depth on the O-line ... frankly, see any team that is serious about getting better). Same thing with Marcus and Springs. Theoretically, Barnes is supposed to be a player someday. [Tryon is actually showing up this year.] Henson and Glenn were long shots to step in when Rocky Mac (knees) and Fletcher (years) go down respectively. Blades is seemingly rating out as the utility LB job that Khary Campbell had. Consider Glenn a whiff (like McCune and others before him). Skins have had LB drafting problems for a while. Smart money says Fincher will be back on the roster before Week 17. Griffen also should be about ready to hang up his cleats. The depth at DT will be short lived b/c one of those guys will need to become the many snap DT requiring double teams that Griffin once was. Haynesworth needs to work on his cardio. That should be a clause in his contract.

Posted by: dcsween | October 16, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

From Bill Simmons' article on espn.com:

"Awful team, overmatched coach, awful season, awful owner. Kansas City 23, Washington 10. When a team stinks, its fans always know first."

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

In continuing coverage of Debacle '09 ®, we analyze comments of Coach Gray and Exec VP/Poobah Vinny Cerrato. Both use a similar approach in explaining that really, guys only need to do part of their job.

In Coach Gray's case, D Hall only needs to worry about covering guys and making picks, not tackling, even on sure run plays. Of note, 2 of DHall's picks came on tipped balls. So while Hall did make the pick, it was someone else who made the play. Perhaps Coach Gray, knowing it was a run situation, could have put in a better tackling DB? Ah yes, as always, responsibility lies elsewhere.

Which dovetails us into Vinny Cerrato.

In Poobah Cerrato's case, he basically said that it didn't matter who was backing up Chris Samuels because Samuels absence was such a game changer. Really and truly, it IS the job of the guy in charge of personnel to get adequate backups, even more so at positions you see as vulnerable to injury.

But what got left out is even more damning. Who has Cerrato brought in to potentially fill the voids left by injuries to Thomas and Samuels? Kendall, Runyan, Levi Jones? Its not just the absence of a plan up to now, its that there isn't even an attempt to add talent now. The ship is sinking and the Poobah is not even taking any action. We had 11 OL on the 60+ person roster + practice squad and we now have 9. At least replenish the missing slots!!

Stay tuned for continuing coverage of Debacle '09 ®

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 16, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"As I've said many times - I'll take two wins over dallas every year vs. superbowl. "

Sorry Dik, but thats retarted...you married a Dallas fan so that has to play into it.

in 91 SB team one of our few losses was to Dallas...do I care..not one wit...that season/team was awesome!

Sweeny: That Suggs/Orakpo compare/contrast is sort of built on false construct. Ravens base D being 3/4, and the amount of creativity on how they use Def playas...make it sorta apples and butternut squash type deal...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 16, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

2012 - 1) Robert Forcier

If all goes as planned, I think this guy will be something special.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 16, 2009 12:46 PM

Posted by: TWISI | October 16, 2009 12:50 PM

Success at THAT school does not necessarily translate into success as a QB in the NFL. Todd Collins holds THAT school's passing records ... and Tom Brady could barely get on the field and drafted in the late rounds.

[Past is prologue in draft choices by schools. For example, Michigan STATE draft picks end up as frauds in the NFL ()Mandarich, Devin Thomas) ... or outstanding, but in jail (Plaxico). GO SPARTANS!!]

Posted by: dcsween | October 16, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Heyer couldn't have blocked the d-lineman that played for my old high school, let alone anyone in the NFL.

Heyer is weak, has poor technique, poor footwork, poor awareness, poor everything. We may as well have a blocking dummy at Tackle.

Posted by: ecale25 | October 16, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Charles Rogers.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

butternut squash is best served with some brown sugar and butter...don't be shy with either...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 16, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

HEyer is good, but he had a bad game against a great DLine in Carolina.

Just wait until you see him beast out @ LT.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 16, 2009 12:15 PM

Should we "Book" this 4th?

Posted by: mack1 | October 16, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Jeff Smoker.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

T.J. Duckett

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

cL, thinking that the base package (3-4 or 4-3) dictates the result of development and performance for a high quality defensive player is a false construct. Creativity depends on the defensive play calling, not the base package. Agree to disagree about comparing Suggs to Orakpo. My mom also makes a killer squash dish at Thanksgiving that features apples (and onions!).

Posted by: dcsween | October 16, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Butter, but don't squash deez nutz.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Offer not taken. Offer withdrawn. This etrod guy is a fraud.

Posted by: dcsween | October 16, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse


No fair! I was in a meeting!

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 16, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Success at THAT school does not necessarily translate into success as a QB in the NFL. Todd Collins holds THAT school's passing records ... and Tom Brady could barely get on the field and drafted in the late rounds.

[Past is prologue in draft choices by schools. For example, Michigan STATE draft picks end up as frauds in the NFL ()Mandarich, Devin Thomas) ... or outstanding, but in jail (Plaxico). GO SPARTANS!!]

Posted by: dcsween | October 16, 2009 1:06 PM

The few times I've seen him play, he kept making plays that helped his team. He's early in his college career, with more experience I'm anticipating he'll be a baaller in the pros as well.

Posted by: TWISI | October 16, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

The Grand Swamie sez:

Only three or four more wins this season, tops. Maybe less.

Perhaps a win this weekend... and maybe even another away win in Oakland later on.

With a new coach, they may go the distance against Dallas, and split the season series.

With a new quarterback, they might just be able to hang one time with Philly -- and eke out something there, but D will need to step up bigtime.

But if anyone thinks things at Redskin Park are bad enough already, well they ain't seen nothing yet. I can only foresee lots more heartache and disappointment ahead.

Posted by: Vic1 | October 16, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV ... those would be the frauds. Jury is still out on whether Javon Ringer is going for fraud or outstanding (but criminal). There has been, however, limited success with MSU punters and kickers ... which is why we prefer to focus on basketball and hockey.

Posted by: dcsween | October 16, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Butter, but don't squash deez nutz.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 1:11 PM |

But you are okay with the brown sugar, right?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 16, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

agreeing to disagree is for tarts

Look I am pro-Orakpo, that is not the issue. But I do think in a 4-3 he should be at DE. the rush LB in a 3-4 is a totally different beast and if we ran that he could work there...

but I have lunch and more work..so I am going full tart on agree to disagree here.

Oh and can I get that recipe, sounds boffo

Posted by: chrislarry | October 16, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

As I've said many times - I'll take two wins over dallas every year vs. superbowl. That's the way I'm wired. I know, but I'm not the only Skins fan that's like that, I'm sure.

Posted by: DikShuttle

Umm, what??? You'd rather beat the Boys twice a year than win a super bowl? Am I reading that right?

Whens the last time the rivalry was anywhere close to that important? 1975? Even then, rings beat everything else.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 16, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

The few times I've seen him play, he kept making plays that helped his team. He's early in his college career, with more experience I'm anticipating he'll be a baaller in the pros as well.

Posted by: TWISI | October 16, 2009 1:12 PM

You mean Forcier or Todd Collins ... Collins' college career:

- Finished his collegiate career at Michigan with the best career (64.3%) and single-season (65.3% in ’93) completion percentages in school history

- Career totals include 457 completions on 711 passing attempts for 5,858 yards with 34 touchdowns and 17 interceptions

- Still ranks fourth at Michigan in career completions, attempts and yardage, while owning the school’s eighth and ninth-best seasonal yardage marks (2,518 in 1994 and 2,509 in 1993)

- Is sixth all-time in school history in touchdown passes (37)

... I wouldn't disagree, however, with the assessment that someone like Joe Gibbs might say ... that he's "super smart"

Posted by: dcsween | October 16, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

If you say so. That loss to Dallas still sticks in my craw - I remember it more than that Superbowl. Mind numbing. Ever since then it's been that way. Maybe even before, but that's the first I remember declaring that I'd rather see us beat Dallas than win the superbowl.

Superbowls last one year. Beating (or losing to) Dallas lasts forever.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

They hate on Todd 'cause he's white.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 16, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Superbowls last one year. Beating (or losing to) Dallas lasts forever.

wow...you can't make this stuff up....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 16, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

OK then, not agree to disagree then ... you're wrong. Your only valid point is that a guy with talent on the outside enables a creative (and aggressive) defensive play caller to be ... creative and aggressive.

Posted by: dcsween | October 16, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

"If you say so. That loss to Dallas still sticks in my craw - I remember it more than that Superbowl. Mind numbing. Ever since then it's been that way. Maybe even before, but that's the first I remember declaring that I'd rather see us beat Dallas than win the superbowl.

Superbowls last one year. Beating (or losing to) Dallas lasts forever.

Posted by: DikShuttle"

Wow...OK....this makes zero sense to me, but it take all kinds!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 16, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Superbowls last one year. Beating (or losing to) Dallas lasts forever.

Posted by: DikShuttle

I'm pretty sure those 3 Lombardis at Redskin Park will be there forever. Show me the trophy we get for beating Dallas.

Plus, we've beaten Dallas both times we faced them in the playoffs, isn't that right?

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 16, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

no "your" wrong! Ha!

Who cares really...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 16, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Ok - let me put it this way:

Bring up that superbowl to any Dallas fan - what do they say? Yeah, but we beat you that year. And you KNOW they're right! It's maddening. And don't tell me you don't feel it. You always say that it doesn't mean anything 'cause the Skins won the superbowl... but you know... deep inside... that they did. And it was the beginning of something awful and unholy!

But if you beat them twice - and they win the superbowl... what do you say when they're bragging? Yeah - but we beat you. And you're right. And you feel good.

You guys can say that it's the ring - and it is. Logically. - But in your heart. Dallas means more. It always has. Ever since they stole our song.


...maps...

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Superbowls last one year. Beating (or losing to) Dallas lasts forever.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 1:19 PM

Um....

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure those 3 Lombardis at Redskin Park will be there forever. Show me the trophy we get for beating Dallas.
----

they give out a trophy for winning the NFC, so we have two.

Posted by: The_Spear | October 16, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Brown sugar is good sweet. I don't like the sour tasting kind.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

dik, with each new post you make less sense...snicker break...

You are married to Dallas fan, nuff said.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 16, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Aside from the fumbles, the interceptions and the dump offs to short receivers on third downs, Campbell still sucks. I would have liked if the team had signed Leftwich in the offseason to compete with maybe a two year contract that would keep the Skins from being compelled to draft a QB next year.

CP has lost a step. If you cannot see it, you need to open your eyes a little more on game day. I distinctly remember a few runs to the outside and all of the defenders got to the edge before Portis. When you are a running back and a defensive lineman outruns you, you've lost a step. What I don't understand is why Mason is getting more carries. He has broken a couple of 6, 8 yards in limited duty and I am thinking he can take one to the house if he gets twenty or more touches in a game.

I used to think Heyer was going to develop into a solid player but I don't think that anymore. There's some things he just refuses to learn. He doesn't get his butt down so he cannot get under players and use leverage to control the direction they go, and he seems to checkout on a few plays. If Bugel can't make a decent offensive lineman out of you in three years, you're probably doomed to be a backup (on any other team). What I can't understand is why the team seemed to settle on him as a starter.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 16, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

They hate on Todd 'cause he's white.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 16, 2009 1:19 PM

I love The Todd. Its just that he went to the non-fraud, non-outstanding (but criminal) school down I-96. [Instead, he went to the fraud and only very occasionally outstanding (but super smart) school at that end of the highway.]

Posted by: dcsween | October 16, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Superbowls last one year. Beating (or losing to) Dallas lasts forever.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Every year I would rather the Skins lose to Dallas 2x and win a Superbowl, no question.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 16, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

You guys can say that it's the ring - and it is. Logically. - But in your heart. Dallas means more. It always has. Ever since they stole our song.

Posted by: DikShuttle

Who cares???? I'm sure we beat them during their runs in the early 90s (Actually I'm sure we did with Pettibon). The only thing thats of any significance is that they ruined our perfect season, but ask the Patriots which if they'd trade the Super Bowl loss for a 15-1 season.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 16, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

TheSpear - were both our playoff wins vs Dallas NFC championships? 82 was, wasn't there the earlier one which was divisional?

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 16, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

no "your" wrong! Ha!

Who cares really...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 16, 2009 1:23 PM

HA back ... now that I've blog pummelled you into apathy for rising to the defense of your muscle milk and wheat germ-drinking, bloghammer-wielding, LOL-ing blog nemesis.

Posted by: dcsween | October 16, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

If it's not I-95 it doesn't matter.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"I used to think Heyer was going to develop into a solid player but I don't think that anymore"

Agreed....has heyer ever played guard?? this really sucks...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 16, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Should we "Book" this 4th?

Posted by: mack1 | October 16, 2009 1:08 PM

Yes. Book it!

@JM220....It's Friday! The most Optimistic day of a Redskins Football season.

Redskins win but don't cover. Score in the 30s. Book That!

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 16, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

You can't win a superbowl every year. You can beat dallas twice every year.

I am in no way asking you guys to go along w/ this. But I am a little surprised you don't have ANY inkling of what I'm talking about.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Nevermind, the Dolphin SB loss was after the COwboys NFC champ win too. Sorry, before my time.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 16, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

"But I am a little surprised you don't have ANY inkling of what I'm talking about"

I'm so happy you said this.....means I'm sane....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 16, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

DShuttle is not alone in that that process regarding 'Skins vs. F Dallas.

I've met a lot people who say the same thing.

I'm not one of those peeps though.

'Skins could lose by a combined total of 300 points in both regular season meetings, but if they won the super bowl all would be right in the universe.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

"Nevermind, the Dolphin SB loss was after the COwboys NFC champ win too. Sorry, before my time.

Posted by: Rypien11"

Ah memories...one of the most influential days of my young sporting life...which I now curse b/c I care so much about this sorry azz no account soul crushing team...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 16, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

"Nevermind, the Dolphin SB loss was after the COwboys NFC champ win too. Sorry, before my time."

What year was this?

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

DS:

Beating Dallas feels good, but does it feel better than winning the Superbowl? Not even close.

The entire point of competitive anything is to be the best. And in every major sport its virtually impossible to win the trophy without losing to anyone. Does that mean the teams you lost to are better than you? Obviously not. So the notion that Dallas could hold anything over us if they beat us, but then we won the Superbowl, does not make sense.

Posted by: REXskins | October 16, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

You can't win a superbowl every year. You can beat dallas twice every year.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 1:31 PM

Dik, I thought your argument was you'd "rather beat F Dallas than win the Super Bowl." The statements above are totally different from that.
I'm pretty sure that's what everyone was reacting too.
Would love to beat the F'ers twice a year, but if it takes losing both games to win the SB, then F beating Dallas.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Sure Dik, beating Dallas is nice, but if you actually puff your chest out because the Skins swept the Cowboys in 95 (another SB year for them), then that’s pretty weak. I always laugh at the patheticness of that argument actually. I live up here by Philly, and when they say “but we beat you in 91”, I just have to shake my head with pity….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 16, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

RED - 1972. SB VII year.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 16, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Dallas fan: Man we beat y'all by 300 combined points this season.

Me: STFU mf'er, we won the bowl.


*conversation over*

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

dlhaze - especially when we played our 2nd stringers that game...

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 16, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

'72?

Yeah, no recollection of that team whatsoever.

I wish they'd bring back those unis though.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Everyone should send a letter asking Roger Goodell to talk with Dan Synder and ask him to change his way of running the team. Maybe if the Commissioner explains how angry the fan base is, maybe (a big maybe) something will change.

If 50,000+ letters start showing up maybe Dan will at least be embarrassed.

National Football League
280 Park Avenue
New York, NY 10017
Attn: Commissioner Roger Goodell

Posted by: noonefromtampa | October 16, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

As one poster previously posted, the Skins don't lose by much in any game, no matter who they play. This is a glaring sign of being poorly coached.

Posted by: joeboggs | October 16, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Ah - I see the source of our dissconnect (perhaps).

You guys are placing more emphasis on the supreme joy of a fully successful season (superbowl win). While I am emphasizing the pain associated with losing to the MOST hated rival EVER for our team.

So, to over-simplify: would you rather feel really good for a short time (one game that some teams never even get to) ? or suffer less pain for a long time....(twice a year)?

Half full/Half empty
optimist/pessimist

yin/yang

Michael/Prince

....and on it goes.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

'72?
Yeah, no recollection of that team whatsoever.
I wish they'd bring back those unis though.
Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 1:46 PM

Best uniforms ever!

Also, Skins should win this Sunday. Undefeated at home.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 16, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

As one poster previously posted, the Skins don't lose by much in any game, no matter who they play. This is a glaring sign of being poorly coached.

Posted by: joeboggs | October 16, 2009 1:51 PM

...because a well-coached team would lose by at least three touchdowns.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 16, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

"But I am a little surprised you don't have ANY inkling of what I'm talking about"

I'm so happy you said this.....means I'm sane ...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 16, 2009 1:33 PM

Wait, was the quoted text from periculum? If so, I'm with you and happy too.

Posted by: dcsween | October 16, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

As one poster previously posted, the Skins don't lose by much in any game, no matter who they play. This is a glaring sign of being poorly coached.

Posted by: joeboggs
++++++++++++++
That was me, and not that I'm cheering our coaches, but how is that "a glaring sign"?

I think a "glaring sign" would be getting blown out almost every game, like the Raiders and the Chiefs have been.

Posted by: REXskins | October 16, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Why do we have to choose between beating the cowpies and winning the superbowl?

Let's build a team that pounds those cowpies on the way to hoisting the Lonbardi!

Posted by: edvar | October 16, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

So, to over-simplify: would you rather feel really good for a short time (one game that some teams never even get to) ? or suffer less pain for a long time....(twice a year)?

Nice try Dik...so you choose beating Dallas once or twice or both in any year, rather than winning a SB? Are you looney?

Posted by: ksquare | October 16, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Oh - and there's actually a benefit to my stance here.

...if you build a team that can beat Dallas twice a year (instead of building a team to try and win the superbowl every year) you will also be building a team that can fare favorably versus the Iggles and the Ginas. If you do well against your division, you'll go to the playoffs. Eventually, you'll get the opportunity to do well against other divisions after mastering your own division. And then against the opposite conference.

There's a method to this maddness - and it's not the method the FO employs, much less this coarch & his staff.

I believe Parcells employs this concept, of beating your division rivals before taking on the league. It's served him well all over.

Of course he won't say he'd rather beat the hated rival more than win it all... but it's at the heart of the whole endeavor. I've often heard it said that great coaches bemoan the loss more than celebrate the win.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

DS: Let me put it this way. I would rather lose both games to F Dallas for 5 consecutive years and win the Superbowl on the 5th year, than beat F Dallas both games for 10 years and NOT win the Superbowl that entire time. That's how much bigger the Superbowl (best out of 32 teams) is than the division rivalry (best 1 out of 2).

Posted by: REXskins | October 16, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

So, to over-simplify: would you rather feel really good for a short time (one game that some teams never even get to) ? or suffer less pain for a long time....(twice a year)?

Posted by: DikShuttle

Dik - I honestly can't tell if you are not making sense on purpose, or if this is a serious logical argument from you.

Either way, I don't think I should contest it.

To quote family guy, Lois: "Peter, hold on to that thought because I'm gonna explain to you when we get home all the things that are wrong with that statement."

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 16, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

That was me, and not that I'm cheering our coaches, but how is that "a glaring sign"?

I think a "glaring sign" would be getting blown out almost every game, like the Raiders and the Chiefs have been.

Posted by: REXskins | October 16, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Blowouts usually happen when the coach loses the team and the players don't respond. Small deficets, usually me the head coach is not making adjustments at halftime and at end of games.

Posted by: joeboggs | October 16, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

That was me, and not that I'm cheering our coaches, but how is that "a glaring sign"?

I think a "glaring sign" would be getting blown out almost every game, like the Raiders and the Chiefs have been.

Posted by: REXskins | October 16, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Blowouts usually happen when the coach loses the team and the players don't respond. Small deficets, usually mean the head coach is not making adjustments at halftime and at end of games.

Posted by: joeboggs | October 16, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Apparently, there's a home video of the "balloon launch" from yesterday that shows Daddy Freak-o releasing it into the sky.

Hmmmmm.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

noonefromtampa, the Commissioner works for the owners, not the other way around.

Posted by: dcsween | October 16, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, those Chiefs got BLOWN OUT last week by Dallas (26-20) and also by the Raiders (13-10). Just utterly destroyed, I mean talk about blow outs...............

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 16, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

So, how would we all feel if Dan Snyder sells the team to Rush Limbaugh?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 16, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

4-12, yeah, I just watched it....I hope they absolutely destroy this idiot, charge him the ENTIRE amount for the mobilization of all the emergency personell, have DSS grab his kids out of that house, and stick his stupid publicity seeking azz in jail....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 16, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Lol - I think I've explained what I mean and justified it.

As stated before, I'm not asking any of you to agree (heaven forbid).

Again, just surprised there aren't more w/ that attitude up here. s'all good.

Fan=Fanatic & I am one. Proud of it.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

...if you build a team that can beat Dallas twice a year (instead of building a team to try and win the superbowl every year) you will also be building a team that can fare favorably versus the Iggles and the Ginas. If you do well against your division, you'll go to the playoffs. Eventually, you'll get the opportunity to do well against other divisions after mastering your own division. And then against the opposite conference.
There's a method to this maddness - and it's not the method the FO employs, much less this coarch & his staff.
I believe Parcells employs this concept, of beating your division rivals before taking on the league. It's served him well all over.
Of course he won't say he'd rather beat the hated rival more than win it all... but it's at the heart of the whole endeavor. I've often heard it said that great coaches bemoan the loss more than celebrate the win.
Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 2:02 PM
Dik, I actually agree with that philosophy around team building, but it does not support your argument. You can still win the division and SB with 2 losses to Dallas…..anyway…..your question about “So, to over-simplify: would you rather feel really good for a short time (one game that some teams never even get to) ? or suffer less pain for a long time....(twice a year)?”……..I still fell pretty damn good about the 82 and 91 super bowls….and they lost to the cowboys in each of those seasons (swept them in 87). I could give a flying rats butt about beating them in past seasons where they didn’t get to win the SB. Best Dallas win of all time? 82 NFC Chamionship.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 16, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

So, how would we all feel if Dan Snyder sells the team to Rush Limbaugh?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 16, 2009 2:08 PM

Dear Dan Snyder,

Please sell the team to Rush Limbaugh.

Sincerely,
Jason Campbell

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Apparently, there's a home video of the "balloon launch" from yesterday that shows Daddy Freak-o releasing it into the sky.

Hmmmmm.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse


Freak-O is right.....he's definitely got crazy eyes. Kid's name is Falcon. When asked why he was hiding for so long, Falcon told reporters he worried about "Daddy yelling at me". Nice.

Posted by: ksquare | October 16, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

So, how would we all feel if Dan Snyder sells the team to Rush Limbaugh?

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Maybe we would run a more CONSERVATIVE offense...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 16, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Apparently, there's a home video of the "balloon launch" from yesterday that shows Daddy Freak-o releasing it into the sky.

Hmmmmm.

Posted by: 4-12

Wow to use your 6 year old child for publicity. He needs his ass kick.

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Watching the press conference, police saying they don't think it was a hoax. Huh? Something's not jiving here.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Oooh - I got a great one!

Ok, you can have Ice Cream, but you're going to have to eat two SJK Sandwiches. or - you don't have to eat any SJK Sandwiches, but you don't get Ice Cream.

...think of it like that.

..mebbe loosin' to Dallas isn't like eating an SJK Sandwich to you. It is to me.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

So, how would we all feel if Dan Snyder sells the team to Rush Limbaugh?

Posted by: talent_evaluator


If he hired a GM, completely got out of the way, and kept his damn mouth shut, I wouldn't care at all.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

srry - I know I said before it was the last one... but roflmSJKao.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Red;
Your 1972 'Skins - coached by George Allen,quarterbacked by Sonny/Billy.

1972 Washington Redskins Roster
Player Pos College
Mack Alston TE Maryland Eastern Shore
Mike Bass DB Michigan
Verlon Biggs DE Jackson State
Mike Bragg P Richmond
Larry Brown RB Kansas State
Bill Brundige DT Colorado
Bob Brunet RB Louisiana Tech
George Burman C Northwestern
Speedy Duncan DB Jackson State
Mike Fanucci DE Arizona State
Pat Fischer DB Nebraska
Chris Hanburger LB North Carolina
Charlie Harraway RB San Jose State
Len Hauss C Georgia
Alvin Haymond DB Southern
Terry Hermeling OT Nevada
Mike Hull RB Southern California
Jon Jaqua DB Lewis & Clark
Roy Jefferson WR Utah
Jimmie Jones DE Wichita State
Jeff Jordan RB Washington
Sonny Jurgensen QB Duke
Billy Kilmer QB UCLA
Curt Knight K Coast Guard
Paul Laaveg OG Iowa
Bill Malinchak WR Indiana
Ron McDole DE Nebraska
Harold McLinton LB Southern
Clifton McNeil WR Grambling
Herb Mul-key RB
George Nock RB Morgan State
Brig Owens DB Cincinnati
Jack Pardee LB Texas A&M
Richie Petitbon DB Tulane
Myron Pottios LB Notre Dame
Walt Rock OT Maryland
Ray Schoenke OG Southern Methodist
Jeff Severson DB Long Beach State
Manny Sistrunk DT Arkansas-Pine Bluff
Jerry Smith TE Arizona State
Diron Talbert DT Texas
Charley Taylor WR Arizonaa State
Rosey Taylor DB Grambling
Rusty Tillman LB Northern Arizona
Ted Vactor DB Nebraska
John Wilbur OG Stanford
Sam Wyche QB Furman

Posted by: LongTimeShortTime | October 16, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 16, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I don't know about taking two wins against Dallas over a Superbowl ring, but those would be mighty sweet victories indeed. Sadly, I think the rivalry has died down in recent years. Now-a-days, I almost dislike the Redskins owner as much as that smug-faced moron Jerry Jones. They are owners cut from the same cloth. Makes it confusing on game day.

For those of you who want to know a little about the history of the hatred, I strongly recommend the following link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboys-Redskins_rivalry

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 16, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

So, how would we all feel if Dan Snyder sells the team to Rush Limbaugh?

Posted by: talent_evaluator

We would go into huge debt and everything would still be a mess. You think Snyder is bad?

Posted by: Smiley2 | October 16, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Balloon Dad was on Wife Swap. TWICE!

He may as well have the kids stichin' Burberry patterns on pleather purses.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I said week 1 that the skins would be lucky to finish 8-8; I said that CP is done; and I said that Haynesworth would bust.

I got pilloried in this forum as 60% of the posters picked the Skins to go 9-7 or better at the start of the season.

To all my detractors I say - go learn something about football and stop bashing people on here just because you can do it and hide behind a computer screen.

Reading these posts and seeing that FedEx is filled to capacity after the owner is proven to a be a schmuck of historic proportions proves to me that Redskins fans are the dumbest in the league.


.

Posted by: oldnova | October 16, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Everyone should send a letter asking Roger Goodell to talk with Dan Synder and ask him to change his way of running the team. Maybe if the Commissioner explains how angry the fan base is, maybe (a big maybe) something will change.

If 50,000+ letters start showing up maybe Dan will at least be embarrassed.

National Football League
280 Park Avenue
New York, NY 10017
Attn: Commissioner Roger Goodell

Posted by: noonefromtampa


You are still suffering from the delusion that so many Skins fans are. They don't give a damn about you fans! Get it! As long as you keep buying the tacky crap they sell, they'll never care.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 16, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Ok, you can have Ice Cream, but you're going to have to eat two SJK Sandwiches. or - you don't have to eat any SJK Sandwiches, but you don't get Ice Cream.
...think of it like that.
..mebbe loosin' to Dallas isn't like eating an SJK Sandwich to you. It is to me.
Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 2:14 PM


Hey, that’s like survivor last night……they had to drink what equated to sjk-milkshakes without puking, and the winners got to eat steak and brats. Anyway, I know it’s your opinion so it’s not wrong, it’s just that you are probably the only one up here who would rather beat Dallas than win the SB…..and seems to think that you will feel better about it for longer.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 16, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

If Samuels returns and Collins takes over at QB, we could maybe sniff 7-9.

But since neither is likely, I'll say 5-11, which is the most you could hope for with Stephon Heyer as your starting left tackle. What a joke.

FIRE VINNY!
FIRE VINNY!
FIRE VINNY!

Posted by: drischord | October 16, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

IIRC, Dik has the misfortune of engaging in some sort of sordid relationship with a CowPies fan. That may be a factor.

1) 2012 - Tate Forcier ...
Success at THAT school does not necessarily translate into success as a QB in the NFL.

Sween. C'mon. From 1986 - 2007, every Michigan QB that started more than ten games (including the unfortunate Matt Gutierrez) got paid to play in the NFL.
Forcier has been fun to watch, and definitely has that winning attitude that a pro QB needs to have. But he's like 5'5" 130 lbs.
He's got a couple of years to grow into the position, but unless you start to see NFL teams have success with the spread, I'm not sure you'll see him in a Sunday uni.

Posted by: daggar | October 16, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I hope we win maybe one more so we are in position to draft top-5 in the first and second round of next year's draft.

Posted by: coparker5 | October 16, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

If costs $$ to handle mail, if they have to process large volumes of unexpected mail it will cost the league real $$

Also, there is the publcity factor. The league does not like bad press.

And yes the commissioner works for the owners, I have been following the league for 45 years. But he can advise the owners and or talk to other owners to talk to Dan

Posted by: noonefromtampa | October 16, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Apparently, there's a home video of the "balloon launch" from yesterday that shows Daddy Freak-o releasing it into the sky.

Hmmmmm.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 2:05 PM

Give me a link!!

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 16, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

5-11...however, if TC comes in to play for JC...we MIGHT make it to 8-8...

Posted by: dpena75 | October 16, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I have been a redskins fan since the day I was born (am now 27 years old) and I am so upset with the team that I am considering breaking up with them, however as Rick Reily points out in an article on ESPN.com, there are certain criteria that justify breaking up with his team and one of them are consistently bad management decisions.

The product and end result on the field are the result of years of bad planning, execution, scouting and player development. Case and point, a reasonable GM would identify the offensive line almost 5 years ago for positions that may need to be developed in the coming years. Why is that? Because annually, over the last 6 years, one of the big 2 (Jansen, Samuels) has suffered an injury that has kept them out of alot of games but were protected by the fact Portis was a great cut back and could weave in and out of holes. But this year has seen a SIGNIFICANT drop in POrtis's skill overall as a feature rb, which the patched up O line could not hide any longer. Therefore, we have been exposed, and no long-term planning was done YEARS ago to hedge against this, but instead we draft offensive playmakers to again hide our core vulnerability.

If anyone actually believes that the redskins will be good ANYTIME in the near future, they are being unrealistic with themselves. Have we all forgotten that their is no salary cap next year? Do you think our player acquisition and development strategy will change towards a drafting and development model next year? Ha. In fact, it will probably worsen.

The point of the matter is until we get a solid, experienced, knowledgeable GM in drafting and player development and/or an operations director with these similar skill sets, and not controlled by D Snyder, we will never be at an elite level like Indy and the Giants. What are both of those teams strengths? They drafted and developed their qbs (ironically both mannings);and o and d lines.

To answer the question originally posed, skins will go 6-10. They will beat KC, Dallas and Philly once, and the Raiders. other than that, get ready for low-scoring losses by less than a td every game.

Posted by: amavroukakis | October 16, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Reid is an idiot that hates the Skins, as does every other WP writer. I asked him yesterday if the struggling line meant Cooley would be left IN to block more...he said he hadn't heard anything about Cooley being ON the block. Trading block? No kidding. What wonderful insight. Can we calm down with the end of the world rhetoric? We got the Chiefs tomorrow! Can we at least enjoy one last win before we burn the house down?

But seriously Roscoe Parrish is on the trading block. We need another receiver/KR. Not making a move for this burner would be just plain dumb. That being said, best of luck to Parrish-wherever (else) he lands. Why couldn't we get Braylon Edwards? What about Lee Evans? He hasn't been getting the ball and I'm sure he's disgruntled. VINNY PAY ATTENTION! Joshua Cribbs is being dangled too. What the deuce are you doing these days? Shopping Montgomery? Good luck with that.

Posted by: KellRawLive | October 17, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Reid is an idiot that hates the Skins, as does every other WP writer. I asked him yesterday if the struggling line meant Cooley would be left IN to block more...he said he hadn't heard anything about Cooley being ON the block. Trading block? No kidding. What wonderful insight. Can we calm down with the end of the world rhetoric? We got the Chiefs tomorrow! Can we at least enjoy one last win before we burn the house down?

But seriously Roscoe Parrish is on the trading block. We need another receiver/KR. Not making a move for this burner would be just plain dumb. That being said, best of luck to Parrish-wherever (else) he lands. Why couldn't we get Braylon Edwards? What about Lee Evans? He hasn't been getting the ball and I'm sure he's disgruntled. VINNY PAY ATTENTION! Joshua Cribbs is being dangled too. What the deuce are you doing these days? Shopping Montgomery? Good luck with that.

Posted by: KellRawLive | October 17, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Reid is an idiot that hates the Skins, as does every other WP writer. I asked him yesterday if the struggling line meant Cooley would be left IN to block more...he said he hadn't heard anything about Cooley being ON the block. Trading block? No kidding. What wonderful insight. Can we calm down with the end of the world rhetoric? We got the Chiefs tomorrow! Can we at least enjoy one last win before we burn the house down?

But seriously Roscoe Parrish is on the trading block. We need another receiver/KR. Not making a move for this burner would be just plain dumb. That being said, best of luck to Parrish-wherever (else) he lands. Why couldn't we get Braylon Edwards? What about Lee Evans? He hasn't been getting the ball and I'm sure he's disgruntled. VINNY PAY ATTENTION! Joshua Cribbs is being dangled too. What the deuce are you doing these days? Shopping Montgomery? Good luck with that.

Posted by: KellRawLive | October 17, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

my computer froze, my apologies. But it is worth repeating three times!

Posted by: KellRawLive | October 17, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

I hate to say it but hopefully 2-14. I want Cerrato fired and ran out of Washington. 2-14 would rock this team to the core and send shock waves through it..something it needs.

Posted by: Goss1 | October 17, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

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