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The Allure Of The QB Position

So the Skins have completed a draft and signed a robust class of 13 free agents and still I get regular emails about quarterbacks. Specifically, I got a bunch of emails about the Skins' reportedly signing former Nebraska QB Joe Ganz. So I finally got my lazy butt to look into it, because the kid definitely did not have a contract.

Turns out Ganz will be one of several non-roster invites to this weekend's mini-camp, the fifth QB there. With so many bodies in camp you need people to throw the ball. Ganz could perhaps battle un-drafted free agent Chase Daniel for the right to be the fourth QB in camp, but the fact the Skins gave Daniel some money to sign and a two-year deal would make it a little unlikely.

Anyhow, the mere mention of any QB around these parts seems to send everyone into high alert after the Cutler and Sanchez affairs, so I just want to make sure everyone understands how far down on the ledger we're talking here.

We'll get a full list of the mini-camp roster on Friday morning.

By Jason La Canfora  |  April 28, 2009; 12:28 PM ET
 
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Comments

You just had to make another post where you could throw out Cutler and Sanchez, would you do some real work please.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 28, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Enough with the QB drama already. Will someone please just give JC a chance to play a second year in the same offense????

Posted by: 44Diesel | April 28, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Campbell will be a restricted free agent. He's not going anywhere.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

I'm no expert on contract rules but anyone who's watched sports knows that's not true.

A player with a strong agent just has to plea "unhappiness" and he's gone.

And if anyone has earned the right to be unhappy, it's Campbell.

Big Success or Big Flop. He's gonzo.

Get ready for the single wing with Betts as tailback.

Posted by: TheCork | April 28, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

At least I don't have to scroll thru hundreds of posts to get current now, so JLaC has some use...

Posted by: will_ga | April 28, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Anyhow, the mere mention of any QB around these parts seems to send everyone into high alert after the Cutler and Sanchez affairs, so I just want to make sure everyone understands how far down on the ledger we're talking here.

....................

By Jason La Canfora | April 28, 2009; 12:28 PM ET

What are 'These parts'?

Also, if fans don't get, they don't get it. Like your employer says. It's not like this is everyone's 1st offseason. There are always 5/6 QBs in camp. There will be over 100 players there.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 28, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

jasno

'...the mere mention of any QB around these parts seems to send everyone into high alert after the Cutler and Sanchez affairs...'

Cutler?

Sanchez?

Aren't they under contract for some other teams?

Let's just talk about our guys--Jason Campbell, Todd Collins, Colt Brennan, Chase Daniels--from now on, thank you.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 28, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

QUESTION for the FO supporters. Suppose Sanchez had fallen to the Jaguars pick and the Redskins pulled the trigger and made the deal. Do you believe that the later choices would have been the same ... or would Snyder have ok'ed selecting O-line to protect Sanchez?

AND great whites love to gnosh on Flounder in the morning ... mmmmm shall I partake Jason?

Posted by: periculum | April 28, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone who has ever had a surgery or broken a bone or dislocated a joint knows that no matter what, its never the same as it was before"

Right, you played college sports, and you're a Doctor to boot.

So Tom Brady will be a mere shell of his former self this year, and going forward.....right.....and every guy in the NFL who has EVER had a surgery, was never the same as before.....right....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 28, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

JLac is not the only one obsessed with our qb situation. Florio is trying to start rumors that we may be interested in Bulger, Quinn, or Leftwich

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 28, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

You just had to make another post where you could throw out Cutler and Sanchez, would you do some real work please.

Posted by: Flounder21

You first.

Posted by: TheCork | April 28, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Yep, I think Jason Campbell is gone. Time for the cult of Colt, another year of misery. Another Zorn in Snyder's is pulled. And then who could it be, who could it be?

Posted by: periculum | April 28, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

How about some in depth analysis of the guys we drafted and our UDFA guys???

hmmm

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 28, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Scrilla

Posted by: slipperyrichard | April 28, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

So Tom Brady will be a mere shell of his former self this year, and going forward.....right.....and every guy in the NFL who has EVER had a surgery, was never the same as before.....right....

Posted by: BeantownGreg

Beans, you and I must have missed our anger management meetings. We were both snarky here.

Remember, we're nice guys now.

And don't forget the old adage:

"You can catch more honey with flies than if you give a man a fish."

Posted by: TheCork | April 28, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Bench your own weight, loser.

Posted by: slipperyrichard | April 28, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Jasno mentioning Cutler or Sanchez = rabble rouser. For the next few months he will periodically put out a post with their names in it just to stir things up and be able to say that his posts get hundreds of comments while other writers might get three.

Posted by: will_ga | April 28, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

How about some in depth analysis of the guys we drafted and our UDFA guys???

hmmm

Posted by: BenchCampbell

Because due to a clerical error at Redskins Park, most of them were accidentally drafted from the FBI's Witness Protection program.

I've poured over Draft Preview maggies and can't find squat on the UDFA's

Posted by: TheCork | April 28, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

How many sacks does Orakpo get this year? Is 10 too far fetched? Lets get the consensus.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 28, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

cork, all I'm trying to point out is that the NFL is FULL of guys who've had surgeries and have come back to play as well as before, if not better. I mean, to think that just because someone has a surgery means they're not going to play as well as they had previously, would be a death knell to players careers...trying to be nice...really trying......

88 degrees and humid up in here today....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 28, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait for all the future AFL MVP Colt Brennen lovers to jump off the cliff when Chase Daniels beats him out for the #3 spot and then becomes the backup to whomever the #1 is next season.

Posted by: virtueandvice | April 28, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

So Tom Brady will be a mere shell of his former self this year, and going forward.....right.....and every guy in the NFL who has EVER had a surgery, was never the same as before.....right....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 28, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Bean just shut up, you're an idiot, I didn't say Tom Brady or anybody who ever gets injured doesn't make it back to being a productive player and as good as they were, I said the injury whatever that is, is never the same, Tom Brady's knee will never be as strong or sound as it was before last year, does that mean he won't be good again? Of course not. Does it mean that it would take less of strange hit to that same knee for him to get hurt again? Yes it does, do you think he might play with a knee brace or that a little of his mobility may be lost? Probably so. McNabb and Palmer both said after their injuries that it took them a while just to not worry about their knee when playing and that its never as good as it was and that it does impact how you play some. But players can still be productive and make it back from injuries...but you're trying to tell me that Jansen and Thomas will suddenly be better after years of decline because Thomas had neck surgery last year which obviously clears every thing up???????!!!! Come on man, MAYBE the surgery helps some and Thomas improves some, even still he has a long way to go to be good again and in his mid 30s its much more likely that normal decline due to age and a cumulative affect of his many other past injuries happens versus vast improvement.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 28, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Let's do it for him -- The offensive line should be vastly improved next year:

* LG Dockery is 8 yrs younger than Kendall and significantly upgrades the run blocking on the left side.

* I predict Heyer will win the starting RT job. He's gotten better every year and should be a force in his third year.

* Jansen will be the backup G/T. He would cost over 6 million dollars to cut this year.

* RG Thomas is the biggest risk IMO, however there is no reason to believe both Jansen and Thomas cannot return to their previous form -- which BTW was pretty good -- as 33 yrs is not that old for OL.

* Rabach should improve without having injured guards playing on either side.

* I'm hopeful that Edwin Williams will pan out as a backup C/G and be this year's undrafted FA gem.

* Backup G/T Rinehart will be active more often when he shows value as a special team blocker. I think he'll show up in camp and make the team. If not, then he's still eligible for the practice squad.

* Mike Williams is a project who has the potential to make the team as a backup G/T. He will have plenty of competition from Batiste, Clark, Montgomery, Riley, and Ross for the final 1 or 2 OL spots. Special teams play should be a determining factor.

* The second year in Zorn's West Coast/Smashmouth Hybrid offense should help the entire OL. I expect to see improved efficiency and execution.

Here's my prediction of offensive linemen who will make the Skins final roster:

Starters: LT Samuels, LG Dockery, C Rabach, RG Thomas, RT Heyer.

Backups: G/T M Williams, G/T Rinehart, C/G E Williams, G/T Jansen.

Posted by: siris | April 28, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I am so fed up with this FO - we are more of a laughing stock than anyone, well, maybe not the raiders.

Let me think - we need offensive linemen, everyone knows this BUT VINNY/DANNYBOY.

5th round, Jamon meredith has a 2nd round grade, runs a sub 5.0 in the 40 and can play either T and guard and we draft who.......a LB that has only played LB for one year cause they have a "hunch" and he'll play special teams. This is why this twosome has doomed us to eternal failure. I watched Cerrato and that ass monkey Larry Michaels (could he possibly shove more danny/vinny a** in his mouth at one time??). He's an emabarrassment to this team - how does he still have a job?? We need O linemen and he's drafted a grand total of ONE in the last two drafts and they've totaled ZERO games. Good thing we could secure another tight end and a receiver that won't see the light of day.

It's a samll consolation to know that we will NEVER see the Danny hoisting the Lombardi trophy; I'm happy looking at the three dusty ones we have. I'd rather go without than have these two mooks have their MO's validated.

Posted by: DEskinzfan | April 28, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Cork,

I'm working very hard right now, I can't help it my work can be done from my desk.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 28, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Anyhow, the mere mention of any QB around these parts seems to send everyone into high alert after the Cutler and Sanchez affairs, so I just want to make sure everyone understands how far down on the ledger we're talking here.

If it's so far down the ledger, what the hell are you writing about it for??? Oh, i get it... "NFL sources" must have told you that Campbell was reading your articles and the mere mention of another QB would raddle his cage!!!!

Posted by: kevin_jackson1 | April 28, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

deskin,

If he had a 2nd round grade and slipped to the 5th he must have had some major issues, looks like everyone poassed on him not just the Skins.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 28, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Readers were on high alert about the QB position because you were writing about the Redskins trading for Cutler, attempting to trade up to draft Sanchez, and Jason Campbell threatening a trade demand if we had done so. I think those are three reasonable reasons to get back some type of reaction. I think we're smart enough to tell that both of these guys are in all probability not going to be on the roster this season. But thanks for helping us recognize the difference between news regarding the starting QB and news regarding the fourth and fifth stringers.

Posted by: corky1031 | April 28, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

periculum-

I'm a FO supporter but I also recognize they have made some mistakes (as do all teams). I am willing to have an intelligent debate with any fan on the pros and the cons of the FO, but I am not a deep seeded hater like some who are irrational and misinformed about football.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 28, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

siris, very good OL breakdown. I like the optimism. Finally someone with a shiny outlook. Go Skins.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 28, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Yep, I think Jason Campbell is gone. Time for the cult of Colt, another year of misery. Another Zorn in Snyder's is pulled. And then who could it be, who could it be?
Posted by: periculum | April 28, 2009 12:52 PM

I agree that Jason Campbell is as good as gone regardless of the type of year he has in 2009. However for all the Colt fans, the only Colt that stands a chance of starting for Dan Snyder’s Skins is Colt McCoy.

Danny needs a sexy name at QB. If Jason does not have enough star power, Colt Brennan sure does not.

Posted by: Ejayraptor | April 28, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

ricky,

Periculum is a complete idiot, and not worth the finger strain you just wasted on him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 28, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

If they offer JC a big contract he will stay, why would he want to go somewhere else and start all over.

Just because some of you are whiny b!tches doesn't mean JC is.

He may also be a RFA which means he will go no where unless we let him.

Cork,

JC is to classy to act like and a$$hat to get out of being here.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 28, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I think Flounder is right on. I also think Snyder would go and get Vick before Colt starts for the skins.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 28, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

There is no where for Jason to go. No one wants him unless he goes for cheap to be a backup.

Posted by: anacostia85 | April 28, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

I hear Larry Foote is going to be available. Nice SAM pick up? Leave Orakpo at DE full time Let Thomas and 1 rookie make the squad?

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 28, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

TheTruth11 DRINKS HIS OWN PEE.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 28, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

TheTruth11 DRINKS HIS OWN PEE.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 28, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

It's completely sterile and good for your complexion. So what's the issue?

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 28, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse


With the additions of Orakpo and Haynesworth,
Let the debate begin:

Is this years D-line better than championship
D-lines of the past?

2009

DT Alexander, Lorenzo
DE Buzbee, Alex
DE Carter, Andre
DE Daniels, Phillip
DT Golston, Kedric
DT Griffin, Cornelius
DT Haynesworth, Albert
DE Jackson, Rob
DT Montgomery, Anthony
DE Orakpo, Brian * based on 10 sacks per year average
DE Wynn, Renaldo
DE Wilson, Chris

*************************************************

1991

DT Eric Williams
DT Bobby Wilson
DE Fred Stokes
DE Charles Mann
DT Tim Johnson
DE Markus Koch
DT Jumpy Geathers
DE Jason Buck

*************************************************
1987

DT/DE Dave Butz
DT/G/C/T Darryl Grant
DT Dean Hamel
DE/DT Steve Hamilton
DE Markus Koch
DE Dexter Manley
DE Charles Mann

*************************************************
1982

DT Perry Brooks
DT/DE Dave Butz
DT/G/C/T Darryl Grant
DE Todd Liebenstein
DE Dexter Manley
DE/DT Tony McGee
DE Mat Mendenhall
DT Pat Ogrin

Posted by: skinsbacker | April 28, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I know it was discussed weeks/months ago, but....Why do we think Danny would be able to hire Cowher, Shannihan or another big hitter when they all know he won't give up GM duties? There is no chance we get one of these guys because Danny will never again relax his ego after the Schottenheimer power struggle.

Posted by: boozyb | April 28, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

at least with Vick you get a qb who has won in the playoffs just keep him away from dogs and we will be ok

Posted by: anacostia85 | April 28, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Any one know why Duke Robinson dropped as far as he did?

Posted by: will_ga | April 28, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

WTF

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 28, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

snyder would give up gm duties for a coach who has won a superbowl

Posted by: anacostia85 | April 28, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Considering how deep this draft was in O-linemen it was pretty stupid not to take one b/c there were quite a few guys projected as 2nd rounders that were around for our later picks. The idea that just b/c a guy slipped into the later rounds means he must suck is flawed logic. There are several other factors that are more about the teams that are drafting than the players being drafted that determine when some guys get picked. We've needed added depth and youth on both lines for years now. That is the one thing about this team that all football experts agree. Even other GM's, owners, and coaches when interviewed are always shocked that we neglect to draft linemen.

Posted by: cornix | April 28, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

There is no where for Jason to go. No one wants him unless he goes for cheap to be a backup.


The 49ers, Vikings, Bucs, and Panthers would be happy to have Jason. Some teams do appreciate a solid signal caller when they get one.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 28, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Campbell should let his play do the talking...

You put up big numbers...you get paid

You put up numbers like last year...you're gone...

and I wouldn't blame the FO one bit!

I'm rooting for you JC!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 28, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Snyder likes flash. If JC17 puts up big numbers this year, especially if next year is uncapped, Snyder will pay him to stay. Snyder will also consider anyone else who has put up bigger numbers.

Think "Fantasy Football", and you've got the Snyder mentality.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 28, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

87 line wins hands down...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 28, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

GANZ IS THE MANZ!

Did you see this guy play? He should totally replace Jason Campbell!!!

ok, I'm kidding, but truthfully I think Colt should, but oh well.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 28, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Ultimately how well has Danny boy's whims worked out for this team. He was right about Santana Moss that's for sure. Remember he wanted Moss instead of Gardner that year. He just over values skill positions, and doesn't understand the value and importance of having youth and depth on the line.

Posted by: cornix | April 28, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse


Cowboys Add Eight Free Agents
Posted by Mike Florio on April 28, 2009, 12:59 p.m.

With a twelve-man quantity-over-quality draft class, the Dallas Cowboys have less need for Rudy Ruttinger camp-fodder than most teams.

So, as a result, they’re one of the few teams to sign fewer than 10 undrafted free agents.

The Cowboys have signed eight.

They are quarterback Rudy Carpenter (Arizona State), receiver Julian Hawkins (Boise State), receiver Kevin Ogletree (Virginia), fullback Jamar Hunt (UTEP), fullback Aaron Schwapp (Notre Dame), guard Travis Bright (BYU), guard Gred Isdaner (West Virginia . . . woo-hoo!), and guard Michael Turkovich (Notre Dame).

Curiously, none of the free agents play defense. Of the dozen Dallas draft picks, seven are from the defensive side of the ball.
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This is kinda a bummer, Ogletree is a very good receiver and I was hoping as a local guy we took a look at him....

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 28, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

"Considering how deep this draft was in O-linemen it was pretty stupid not to take one b/c there were quite a few guys projected as 2nd rounders that were around for our later picks."

Polian, Colts' GM, said it was a very weak draft...especially at OL and LB. I trust him more than Kiper or McShay.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 28, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse


There is no where for Jason to go. No one wants him unless he goes for cheap to be a backup.


The 49ers, Vikings, Bucs, and Panthers would be happy to have Jason. Some teams do appreciate a solid signal caller when they get one.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 28, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Take the Bucs off your list they just got their man.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 28, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

anyone know where the FB Javorski Lane ended up?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 28, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

How can you argue with hair like Mel's.

Posted by: cornix | April 28, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Where did baby Dockery end up?

Posted by: FedorEm | April 28, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

TheTruth11 DRINKS HIS OWN PEE.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 28, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

It's completely sterile and good for your complexion. So what's the issue?

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 28, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

While that is true Chief, there would be an issue if he was drinking other people's pee or if he was drinking it "straight from the hose" or if he drank it in public (or any combo of the three). That being said, DMV knows of this how?

Posted by: moosepod | April 28, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

The 87 line is the best one.

This years line up has the potential to equal or exceed the 87 line.

But potential doesn't win ball games.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 28, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Also this is a big time inside rumor, but I play softball right now with Nate Lyles former S/DB at UVA, he had a neck injury his junior year and has had trouble catching on cause of medical concerns, but his agent is trying to get him into a camp this year, one of which is the Redskins....his bio is below

Nate Lyles

SI Grade
3.18
GRADING SYSTEM
Position:
S
Class:
Sr
School:
Virginia
Conference:
ACC
Ht., Wt.:
5-10.5, 201
40 Time:
4.55

BIOGRAPHY: Three-year starter who posted 68 tackles and broke up two passes as a senior after 46/1/3 the previous year.

POSITIVES: Tough run-defending safety who.s at his best in the box. Quick up the field, displays a straight-line burst of speed, and chases hard to get involved in the action. Displays good awareness and above-average instincts.

NEGATIVES: Lacks top ball skills and sideline-to-sideline range. Does not consistently play under control.

ANALYSIS: Lyles has marginal size, yet he displays the toughness and wherewithal to be used in a zone system. He also has a special teams mentality, which could help him make it at the next level.

PROJECTION: Undrafted Free Agent

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 28, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Hail 2 the chief those teams don't want Jason.

Posted by: anacostia85 | April 28, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

The Jets would have happily taken Campbell if the Skins got Sanchez.

Problem is, I don't believe Snyderatto really wanted to hand the keys to the team to a rookie QB or to Collins.

If the Skins really wanted to unload Campbell, he would have gone to the Jets for their 2nd rounder and the Skins would have Sanchez. The Skins flirted, but they obviously weren't willing to put up very much to get Sanchez. We saw what they were willing to to for Cutler and Ocho Stinko.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 28, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

How can you argue with hair like Mel's.

Posted by: cornix


I'd never argue with his hair...too stiff of an opposition

(Cue...something...whatever Moe does)

Seriously though, this draft was the weakest it's been in years. Next year will be much better.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 28, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

drinking it "straight from the hose"

That's just too funny.

Posted by: will_ga | April 28, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

'...DE Orakpo, Brian * based on 10 sacks per year average...'


Ten sacks per year?

Yeah, he'd fill that many a day if he was bagging in line three behind a cashier at Super Walmart.

Ten sacks per year?

Somewhere, Lawrence Taylor stops dancing with a starlet long enough to laugh and do a white line.

Derrick Thomas and Reggie White have turned over in their graves at the thought of ten sacks per year in an era where blogging near a quarterback draws a penalty.

Today, a guy would draw more roughing the passer flags than ten sacks.

Brian Orakpo would do well to get pressures which result in INTs or strips which result in fumbles recovered by the redskins.

Let's be modest in our expectations for the kid, people.

Sacks are over-rated. Turnovers, though, aren't.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 28, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Cedric Dockery went to the New Orleans Saints. Wonder why we didn't want to see what he could do?

Posted by: FedorEm | April 28, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Siris - I generally agree with your comments about the o-line, but I still expect to see Fabini instead of Williams there. Both can play RG and RT, but Williams is really a long shot in my view. (and Fabini was decent subbing for Thomas). I also would not be surprised to see them bring Kendall back if he isn't already signed. I haven't seen anyone here mention that he can also play center (he did in Arizona and NY), which would give them a good backup at 2 positions. He and Fabini are old, but they're still better than the current alternatives.

Posted by: sysadb420 | April 28, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Where did baby Dockery end up?

Posted by: FedorEm | April 28, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm looking into this now, if you find out please post. Thanks!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 28, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

we have a starting qb, stop talking about it, even if you think campbell sucks, who gives a s**t he's our qb, if you think he's great who gives a s**t he's our qb, it's called stability, i know that as Skins fans we don't know what that means, but we should try it out

at least until the end of the yr

i love the Skins Defense, but we still need o line improvement, it is what it is

Posted by: retroskins14 | April 28, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Nice find FedorEm...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 28, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Yahoo has a list of the best players not drafted. The 2009 All-Snubbed Team. We got 3 on this list.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/An-homage-to-your-draft-day-snubs-before-they-g?urn=ncaaf,159213

Posted by: FedorEm | April 28, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Fabini isn't on the roster.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 28, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

"Polian, Colts' GM, said it was a very weak draft...especially at OL and LB. I trust him more than Kiper or McShay.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who"

The draft seemed to be weak for OL that the Colts employ, which is a zone-blocking scheme. That requires lighter, quicker linemen across the board to be able to move dynamically.

The Redskins use a hybrid zone-blocking and power-blocking scheme. From what I saw last year, it was more power-blocking than not. For power-blocking, the draft seemed to have more prospects overall (Michael Oher, Duke Robinson, Phil Loadholt all seemed to fit that description).

Polian may be speaking on overall talent, but he may also be speaking on the specific talent they were looking for. Similarly, I wouldn't put too much stock in him saying the LB corp was weak, since they employ a tampa-2 scheme, while we were in the market for a run-stuffing SLB (which more than likely would not fit in their system).

Posted by: psps23 | April 28, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

yoder

(Cue...something...whatever Moe does)

MrsMoe has been upset with Moe recently, which means the only thing he's been trying to do is himself.

(INSERT image of 230 pound desperate, sexually frustrated 45 year old black man trying to hook up with himself at a local bar. He decides not to go home with himself for fear of giving himself an STD.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 28, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

The Allure Of The QB Position

We're to sexy for a O-Line,
To sexy for a O-Line.
So sexy its divine.

We're to sexy for a big D
To sexy for a big D
Oh can't you see.

We're to sexy for a run game.
To sexy for a run game.
though our backs a big name,

Posted by: alex35332 | April 28, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

psps, I was just going off of Robinson and Meredith falling so far. Obviously some teams like players better than others. Main point is, next year's crop is better than this year.


Moe is the best thing going on this blog.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 28, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

SNYDERRATO, SELL THE TEAM ALREADY YOU LITTLE NERD!!!

Posted by: BarackObama | April 28, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Hail 2 the chief those teams don't want Jason.

Posted by: anacostia85 | April 28, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

uhm, I never said any team did want Jason? the only team that should want Jason is the WASHINGTON REDSKINS

ya heard me?

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 28, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

It will be nothing short of a miracle if this team goes 8-8 or better next season. Brace yourselves for Shanahan as the new coach and the number 1 QB in the 2010 draft or a High profile disgruntled QB. You think this off-season was fun? The next one will be a rollercoaster – THNIK SIX FLAGGS.

Posted by: Ejayraptor | April 28, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

jets did not want campbell neither did tampabay

Posted by: anacostia85 | April 28, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse


I'll take this defensive line:

DE Fred Stokes
DT/DE Dave Butz
DT Haynesworth, Albert
DT Griffin, Cornelius
DE Charles Mann
DE Dexter Manley

With these linebackers:

Wilbur Marshall
Andre Collins
Mel Kaufman
London Fletcher
Ken Harvey

And this secondary:

Sean Taylor
Paul Krause
Darryl Green
Martin Mayhew
DeAngelo Hall


With these coordinators:

Richie Petitbon, head efensive coach
Gregg Williams, asst. head defensive coach
Johnny Gray, secondary coach

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 28, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

hail 2 the chief the skins should not want him either all of you who say Jason is a class act for not acting like cutler. there is no where for jason to force himself to in a trade LOL that is why he has not blown up over this

Posted by: anacostia85 | April 28, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

does anyone like levi jones who the bengals are going to cut? how about leroy hill at lb? cnnsi has the skins taking tebow in their 2010 mock draft no way they do that

Posted by: anacostia85 | April 28, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Fabini isn't on the roster.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 28, 2009 1:55 PM
-----------------------------------------

Correct - I believe he and Kendall are both UFAs.

Posted by: sysadb420 | April 28, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

"Turns out Ganz will be one of several non-roster invites to this weekend's mini-camp, the fifth QB there." I just want Joe to know that I talked with Reggie Hammond and Jack Cates and they don't hold anything against him because of his uncles Albert and Cherry. Even though he is a longshot they hope he makes the team.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 28, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

hail 2 the chief the skins should not want him either all of you who say Jason is a class act for not acting like cutler. there is no where for jason to force himself to in a trade LOL that is why he has not blown up over this

Posted by: anacostia85 | April 28, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion bro. I think Jason is a fine QB. He will have a great 2nd season in this offense. i'm a positive person not one of these negative people who have to put everyone else down. Before the draft I was sating draft Sanchez because the Fo likes to burn bridges. i hope JC17 stays here after this season he is MY QB! ya heard me?!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 28, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Larry Foote anyone?

Posted by: KingME1 | April 28, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

i hear you hail and yes everyone is allowed to have a opinion. I would not have minded having sanchez but am glad snyder would not send next years number one for him. I want the skins to sign vick. During the draft espn said the falcons would give up his rights for a low pick. I like Leroy Hill or Foote

Posted by: anacostia85 | April 28, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

cnnsi has the skins taking tebow in their 2010 mock draft no way they do that

Posted by: anacostia85 | April 28, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Uh oh, Truth would have a heart attack if that happened. Actually, so would I. But for a different reason. Brandon Spikes would probably be a better fit here. That guy is going to be good.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | April 28, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I think larry foote, on the cheap, would be a good quality pick up for us. leroy hill would be a bit more expensive and less proven. I don't feel that Foote would want to come play here because of the system change.

We are going to stand firm on the O-Line if this past weekend didn't prove that I don't know what will...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 28, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Foote, and Hill are basically the same size, 6'1, and in the 240 pound range. If forced to choose, I'd have to go with Hill....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 28, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

out of the 2 lbs i think hill could stay on the field for all 3 downs. I would prefer levi jones over mike williams if those 400 lb rumours are true

Posted by: anacostia85 | April 28, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

should've signed Brannon Sutherland FB UGA as an UDFA

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 28, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

GATORSKIN

'...Brandon Spikes would probably be a better fit here. That guy is going to be good...'

Both B Spikes and Janoris Jenkins will be excellent pros from the present Gators defense.

And if we had to take a tight end, why not gamble on Cornelius Ingraham the way the iggles did? He's like a big wide out that no linebacker can cover.

In fact, here's a list of 5 players I wish we would've taken a "Why not?" stab at:


Antoine Caldwell
Phil Loadholt
Percy Harvin
Larry English
Victor Harris


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 28, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Dream on MistaMoe! I believe this year's Skins defense has been significantly upgraded:

* Cut or released LDE Taylor, SLB Washington, CB Springs, DL Evans, WLB Campbell, SLB Sinclair, and DT Boschetti.

* Signed DL Haynesworth, CB Hall, DT Golston, DL, Montgomery, WLB Thomas, SLB Fincher, LDE Daniels, and DL Wynn.

* Drafted SLB Orakpo and CB Barnes.

* The presence of Haynesworth (plus Griffin and Daniels) should free up MLB Fetcher to make more sideline-to-sideline tackles without having to worry about the opposing OL getting through the DL.

* I think the pass rush will be greatly improved. They should be able to apply constant pressure up the middle; with unpredictable zone blitzes coming from the DEs, OLBs, and DBs. I expect at least 5-10 sacks each from Haynesworth, Carter and Orakpo. Opposing QBs will no longer have 5 seconds to scan the field and complete a pass.

* Orakpo has speed and a number of clips I watched showed him driving through the QB. It will be great to see him fly around Carter and bury McNabb, Manning, and Romo on a regular basis. He also played SLB in college and can cover RBs/TEs.

* Are the late round drafted LBs better than Thomas or Fincher? I think Thomas is a lock to make the roster, however one or both of the rookies could be developmental players -- on the practice squad.

* CB Barnes reminds me of a young Fred Smoot. He's a strong tackler that fits perfectly into this defense.

* CBs Tryon and Westbrook will complete to be the fifth CB. Once again, special teams play should be the deciding factor.

* SS Horton and FS Moore should both improve in their second year.

Here's my prediction of defensive players who will make the Skins final roster:

Starters:

DL: RDE Carter, RDT Griffin, LDT/LDE Haynesworth, LDE/RDT Daniels
LBs: SLB Orakpo, MLB Fletcher, WLB McIntosh
DBs: RCB Hall, FS Landry, SS Horton, LCB Rogers

Backups:

DL: RDE/SLB Wilson, RDT Golston, LDT Mongomery, LDE Jackson, DL Wynn, DL Alexander
LBs: SLB Fincher, MLB Blades, WLB Thomas
DBs: CB Smoot, CB Barnes, CB Tryon, FS Moore, SS Doughty.

Posted by: siris | April 28, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Top five defense , with more turnovers than last few years. We need to stay healthy and sign a couple of back up Offensive linemen.

11-5 babyyyyyyyyy!!!!

Posted by: BarackObama | April 28, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I ABSOLUTELY LOVE READING THIS POST EVERY DAY BECAUSE YOU GUYS CRACK ME UP!!!

moosepod: You are killing me, Bro! My ribs hurt I'm laughing so friggin hard.

Posted by: BenThere | April 28, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Ian Johnson = Cornball

Posted by: RedDMV | April 28, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Guru;

you still think Colt should start just like Ovie is = JC and the caps chose to play the rangers in the playoffs.

guru = d@uche

Posted by: Zeebs | April 28, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

"I've poured over Draft Preview maggies and can't find squat on the UDFA's"

That might be why they're UDFAs.

Seriously, folks, the draft preview mags read each other and regurgitate the same info. They're less interested in Scott Burley's pass blocking than in Mel Kiper;s opinion of Scott Burley's pass blocking. And since Mel doesn't have one, neither do they.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 28, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Both B Spikes and Janoris Jenkins will be excellent pros from the present Gators defense.
Posted by: MistaMoe | April 28, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Carlos Dunlap would be one to watch as well. Wasnt even the starter, but led the SEC in sacks with 9.5. He is a Soph, so it will be interesting if he comes out.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | April 28, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

cnnsi has the skins taking tebow in their 2010 mock draft no way they do that

Posted by: anacostia85 | April 28, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Power Wildcat formation baby! Te-bow!Te-bow!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 28, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

While that is true Chief, there would be an issue if he was drinking other people's pee or if he was drinking it "straight from the hose" or if he drank it in public (or any combo of the three). That being said, DMV knows of this how?


Posted by: moosepod | April 28, 2009 1:38 PM


Truth's mother and I met in a christian chat room.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 28, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I take that back, he will be a junior this year.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | April 28, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

"just want Joe to know that I talked with Reggie Hammond and Jack Cates and they don't hold anything against him because of his uncles Albert and Cherry. Even though he is a longshot they hope he makes the team.Posted by: AntonChigurh"

Gosh, a 48 Hours joke? Just curious, how many got that one? We need to spend more time outdoors.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 28, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Did Cadogan get signed by anybody as UDFA?

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 28, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I got it Samson151. Again, I'm laughing my a$$ off today. People are walking by my office wondering WTF is wrong with me. I'm like "hey, it's allergy season and the meds are kicking in". This $h!t is funny today!!!!

Posted by: BenThere | April 28, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Here's my prediction of defensive players who will make the Skins final roster:

Posted by: siris | April 28, 2009 2:52 PM

Like your list though I am still kinda hoping they move LoAlexander to the offense and he can excel there as a guard. Probably a longshot but seems we got more depth and talent on the DL than the OL.

Who is going to start at "Mike" DT though? I read Priest Holmes was packing on some pounds at the buffet line. Maybe we can sign him.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | April 28, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

OK, now we can relax.

Two important news bits. FIRST, the Saints have completely redone their secondary. http://www.neworleanssaints.com/Articles/2009/4/Nothing%20Secondary%20About%202009%20Defensive%20Backfield%20Makeover.aspx
Notice how there is no mention of Leigh Torrence. He could become re-available and all problems in the universe would be solved.

Second, if that weren't great enough news, Marcus Mason was released by the Jets, so the opportunities for the future are so bright, we should all get sunglasses.

Posted by: dcsween | April 28, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Anyone here a MMA fan?

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 28, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Posse, they interviewed him on Comcast or Redskins nation and asked if he would be moving to the offensive side of the ball.

he said their plan is to keep him on defense.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 28, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Yes MMA is my specialty

Posted by: FedorEm | April 28, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Bring back Roger Mason! He's the possession receiver we've been missing!

Or was that Priest Holmes? I can't remember...

Posted by: psps23 | April 28, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Backups: G/T M Williams, G/T Rinehart, C/G E Williams, G/T Jansen.

Posted by: siris | April 28, 2009 1:00 PM

Technically, based on width alone, Mike Williams pretty much can cover space otherwise occupied by a C/G/T ... at the same time.

[I love Heyer and mean no personal disrespect to Mike Williams, but I'm thinking that Mister Big is going to become the object of plenty of personal disrespect up here ... I have a hard time picturing what 6'7" and 450 pounds looks like.]

Posted by: dcsween | April 28, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

11-5 babyyyyyyyyy!!!!

Posted by: BarackObama

Gosh, Mr President, you sure are excited!

Please, sir, if you see any red buttons, push them only if the missles it releases are aimed at Arlington, Texas or the Meadowlands, New York.

We know you don't drink, but did you have too many near beers and accidently send the army out to invade the wrong country?

Perhaps it's what you're smoking. We understand you sneak a cig from time to time. Do you roll your own?

Is it that the swine flu news has stopped folks from talking about torture or the republicrat who switched parties?

Maybe you're on Air Force One flying so low over Manhattan that 4 million people have run for their lives thinking you were on a 'change we can believe in' jihad or something.

Please keep it down, sir, as the leader of the free world, you can't run around spouting off nonsense like you're a member of this blog.

That's our job.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 28, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

jets did not want campbell neither did tampabay

Posted by: anacostia85 | April 28, 2009 2:03 PM

Put down the Haterade and step away from the computer.... everything will be alright after you take your meds.

Jets interested in Campbell

Bucs pro personnel coordinator Doug Williams is a big fan of Campbell

Posted by: Alan4 | April 28, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Sports_Guru

The last time I saw Colt Play in a meaningful game against real compitition was his last game as the QB for UH and he did not look good. Now he look good a couple of quarters in pre season last year but if that was the standard to start we would have a new QB every season.

Posted by: ged0386 | April 28, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Did Cadogan get signed by anybody as UDFA?

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 28, 2009 3:20 PM

Carolina Panthers

Posted by: dcsween | April 28, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Alan, get real, the Redskins couldn't even get an 8.5th round selection for Campbell. It's been documented several times here on this blog by unknown commenters.

Posted by: psps23 | April 28, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Carolina Panthers

Posted by: dcsween | April 28, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

the same team that took Duke Robinson like we should have.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 28, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

He decides not to go home with himself for fear of giving himself an STD.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 28, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

You can't be too careful, Moe. LMAO

Posted by: frediefritz | April 28, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

The Skins Special Teams are still a work in progress. They must significantly improve from last year:

* Cut P Brooks, P Plackemeire, P Johnson, Gunner (CB) Torrence, Blocker (LB) Campbell, and Blocker (LB) Sinclair

* Signed P Smith, LS Albright, K Suisham, LB Thomas, RB Alridge, and RB Dorsey

* Signing P Hunter Smith should result in improved field position. He almost never kicks touch backs.

* RB Cartwright and WR Thrash could be challenged by the small-fast RBs (Dorsey and Alridge), FB Williams, CBs (Tryon, Barnes, and Westbrook) or WRs (Thomas, Hagan, and Mitchell).

* The special team gunners and punt return blocking has to improve from last year. They need better speed in the gunners. And answer the question of why the blocking was better during kick vs punt returns?

* Should ARE remain as the primary punt returner? Was his degraded performance due to catching the ball and failing to run downfield or an inability to properly execute the punt blocking scheme?

* Moss should only be used as a punt returner during the playoffs or must win games. Determining the punt return specialists may be the biggest question mark going into training camp.

* The K Suisham should be on a very short leash. He has to prove that he can accurately kick for more than 45 yds on a consistent basis.

* Signed K Rayner, LS Cain, and P Atterberry to complete with the starters during OTAs and training camp.

Predicted Starters:

LS Albright
P Smith
K Suisham
Punt Return: TBD
Kick Return: RB Cartwight

Posted by: siris | April 28, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

psps23, good point. I hear Auburn submitted a formal request to the NCAA for another year of eligibility just so they can officially kick him off the team.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 28, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

News Alert:

Jason Campbell will start the year as QB!

Kevin

Posted by: fearturtle44 | April 28, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

So many of yall moan, b*tch and complain about La Canfora but yet you still come to this site and read updates, WHY?!?! I come here b/c I can find out what's going on before the biased Redskins.com. I come b/c I want to read a true unbiased view of the team. When I'm looking for new info I come here. La Canfora does a great damn job and if he didn't you whiners wouldn't be reading his every post. Give me La Canfora any day before Matt Terl at Redskins.com. No other site gives better Skins info than the Jason's here. Thank you for the work you do.

Posted by: PEACE8 | April 28, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I hate to read JLC articles and comment on it because the act, in effect, supports JLC's column (newspaper wants people to read and comment, they don't care if the comments are positive or negative-in fact trash sells quite well) but I will comment anyways hopefully I can turn one or two fans to the positive side.

Cranfo La Jasona, what is your problem dude? We got it, the redskins have made mistakes. You are so smart!

What are your qualifications to analyze Redskins personnel decisions? If boozing up on Sundays and stuffing your face with Dorritos would count, then please sign me up as a reporter for Washington Post Sports Section!

Critical thinking and asking tough questions are of course necessary but it seems like you are trying to sabotage the Redskins and their fans for no good reason. What is it? you weren't hugged enough as a child?

Posted by: peaceful2008 | April 28, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Leigh Torrence?!? We talkin' Leigh Torrence?!?


Get this: Torrence would put on a white tie and tails and walk his pet cobra through the park on a leash. He named the cobra 'Beverly'. And he taught it how to fetch and dial a phone. But then one day, it bit the maid. So with tears in his eyes, Leigh had to shoot the maid."

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 28, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Peace and Peaceful have a disagreement!

Peace out.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 28, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

PEACE8 = jason reid lol :)

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 28, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Did I ever tell you about the time I had breakfast with Leigh? He drank a full glass of liquid LSD with his eggs. Then he slept for eight months straight. When he woke up, he rubbed his eyes and said, 'All in all, I prefer gin!'

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 28, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

alan 4 they don't want campbell a one line blurb does not mean doug williams wants campbell and the jets never would if he can't take the heat and speculation in washington how in the hell could he do it in new york?

Posted by: anacostia85 | April 28, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Campbell will be a restricted free agent. He's not going anywhere.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

I'm no expert on contract rules but anyone who's watched sports knows that's not true.

A player with a strong agent just has to plea "unhappiness" and he's gone.

Posted by: TheCork | April 28, 2009 12:49 PM |

Ever heard of Chad Johnson? He's an "unhappy" receiver in Cincinnati who has been "unhappy" forever and it hasn't even gotten him a ride across the Ohio River. Players can't leave until the fat owner sings.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 28, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I go thru each key position compared to the 2008 performance. Its anywhere from a -2 to +2 based on the difference. For example, I give Landry a +1, since I expect him to improve. Albert is a +2 at DT. At CB, Hall is counted as part of the 2008 team.

3 DT +3
3 DE -1
3 LB -2
3 CB -1
3 S +2

defense, 15 players, net +1

2 OT -1
2 G even
1 C even
1 OL/depth even
1 TE even
3 WR +1 (Thomas has to be better, right?)
1 RB even
1 FB even
1 QB +1

offense, 13 players, net +1

1 P even
1 K even
1 KR/PR even

Overall, I see this team +2, a modest improvement over 2008.

The +1 on offense comes from improvements in D. Thomas and Campbell, offset by a partially by downgrade in the OL due to age issues. The OL is especially vulnerable to injury, so a -1 across the 6 spots (5 starters + 1 reserve) could prove overly generous.

On defense, Albert + expected improvements in the young players at safety are the big upgrades. The losses are mostly at LB and DE. Fletcher's age also creeps into this.

Of special note, rookie DEs are rarely big contributors, so I scored Orakpo that way. However, recent years have seen rookie LBs make huge impacts (Willis, Mayo, Merriman) and if Orakpo follows that path, that would make the defense much better (same logic behind my wanting Curry).

I saw no reason to change special teams, but only our KR was good. I wouldn't be surprised if we see improvements there -- in most cases, it couldn't get much worse.

Overall, we're looking at a very similar talent level as 2008. Given our schedule, which has only 4 teams from 2008 that finsished below .500, this team is likely to be around 8-8, yet again.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 28, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

DL: RDE Carter, RDT Griffin, LDT/LDE Haynesworth, LDE/RDT Daniels
LBs: SLB Orakpo, MLB Fletcher, WLB McIntosh
DBs: RCB Hall, FS Landry, SS Horton, LCB Rogers

Backups:

DL: RDE/SLB Wilson, RDT Golston, LDT Mongomery, LDE Jackson, DL Wynn, DL Alexander
LBs: SLB Fincher, MLB Blades, WLB Thomas
DBs: CB Smoot, CB Barnes, CB Tryon, FS Moore, SS Doughty.

Posted by: siris | April 28, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Good job siris. I basically agree with your alignment.

This D will be improved over last year. Slight drop-off losing SSprings, but he only played 8-9 games.

Major improvement in inside pass pressure, which was lacking in 08. Run D improved with Daniels & Wynn over Taylor and Evans.

Biggest improvement should come from more TO,s caused by inside pressure, making Carter & Orakpo more effective.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 28, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

alan 4 they don't want campbell a one line blurb does not mean doug williams wants campbell and the jets never would if he can't take the heat and speculation in washington how in the hell could he do it in new york?

Posted by: anacostia85 | April 28, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Hold on partna' you mean JC17 hasn't handled this situation with maturity & class? apparently, you are not watching the same interviews I am. Dude is gettin' his man in the weight room, shows up ere'day. What else do you want?

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 28, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

News Flash ***************

Crap La Jasona has been offered a job by the New England Patriots for the GM/Coach/Scout position. According to secret sources, the Patriots owner (Mr. Cheese) has fallen in love with Mr. La Jasona tight end and Q-back coverage.

According to Mr. Cheese, there has never lived another individual who can predict a player's football future as well as La Cancera.

Reached in his helicopter flying over Redskins park with binocular in hand, La Cartoona said he is too busy monitoring Mike Williams' stool output at the Park.

Posted by: peaceful2008 | April 28, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I saw no reason to change special teams, but only our KR was good. I wouldn't be surprised if we see improvements there -- in most cases, it couldn't get much worse.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 28, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

This part of your post makes 0 sense. How can you see no reason for change BUT yet only our KR was good...it couldn't get much worse.

No change needed? ok if you say so!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 28, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I... I'm getting some cognitive dissonance from the comments attributed to the word "peaceful" up here... huh.

I for one am ready for some football. What is it, a few weeks now until preseason?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 28, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

The problem with Campbell is upstairs. He's just not mentally tough enough plus he has no killer instinct. I suspect he's had it easy his all life when it came to football (see Vince Young as well).

Posted by: livinon3x | April 28, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Nate,
the players have to show up in assburn Friday.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 28, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

The problem with Campbell is upstairs. He's just not mentally tough enough plus he has no killer instinct. I suspect he's had it easy his all life when it came to football (see Vince Young as well).

You cant make an asinine statement like this without some evidence to back it up. Please elaborate...

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 28, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Fire Joe Girardi!!!!!!

Ooops, wrong blog.

Sorry!

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 28, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

but i'm digging the nick/handle/name "peaceful"

Posted by: dealer1 | April 28, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I for one am ready for some football. What is it, a few weeks now until preseason?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 28, 2009 4:16 PM

Time to go on a 13 week hiatus.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 28, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

The problem with livinon3x is upstairs.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 28, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

moe, way too early to be jumpin ship on joe like that. Get him those kids from trip-A, and stick them in the pen, and see what happens....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 28, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I will say it again, anyone that thinks Colt is ready to take Campbell's job is a straight MORON.

I think the Center they picked up from Maryland is a good pick up.

I also do not think Sanchez was ever really going to be picked by the Skins.

F&^k Colt Brennan. If we win this year, it wont be b/c of the QB play, we will run well and stuff opposing offenses with our defense ala Ravens style. If Campbell is playing well that is gravy to me, but I have concerns that his head is straight F'd up after all of this.

Posted by: mhartz1 | April 28, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Actually I take it back...

The problem with livinon3x is downstairs.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 28, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Reached in his helicopter flying over Redskins park with binocular in hand, La Cartoona said he is too busy monitoring Mike Williams' stool output at the Park.

Posted by: peaceful2008 | April 28, 2009 4:04 PM

I resent this misattribution. Yours truly, not the Beat Reporter, is Mr. Williams' poop monitor.

Also, I'm thinking that the Skins should try to get Martin Brashear ... for something, I don't care what, maybe special teams. The guy is pure Lust for Mayhem ... on skates.

Posted by: dcsween | April 28, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

bean

'...way too early to be jumpin ship on joe like that....'

The redskins fan in me is patient as it's been, what 18 years since the last title.

The Yankees fan in me is spoiled and rude loud and impatient.

Hell, I'd sell my momma to get into the World Series this year.

In fact, I'd throw in my grandma for the guaranteed victory.

I forgot, grandma is dead, scratch that. I give up the daughter in med school at UF as she costs money.

To win, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do--family sacrifices included.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 28, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

... I also do not think Sanchez was ever really going to be picked by the Skins. ...

Posted by: mhartz1 | April 28, 2009 4:27 PM

I also subscribe to this theory. Once it became clear that the Lions were interested in Matt Stafford, it became critical to make sure that a sexy non-OT, non-DE option got selected in the first few picks in order to increase the likelihood that at least one of the four OTs would be available at #13. As it turns out, Orakpo fell to the Skins at #13 notwithstanding the Jets moving up to #5 ... and I'm thinking it was because Al Davis surprised everyone by taking Heyward-Bey so early. If the Browns would have been forced to use the #5 pick, I'm thinking it would have been a defensive player.

Posted by: dcsween | April 28, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Skins also lucked out that Tyson Jackson was a surprise early pick.

Posted by: dcsween | April 28, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 28, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Too bad. Joe's a smart guy, can throw on the run, and is of the mold of Drew Brees as a shorter West Coast QB. It'd be interesting to see what he could do with some NFL receivers.

Posted by: NovaMike | April 28, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I think the controversy with Campbell will fade away. The history of football is littered with all kinds of trade talk. He needs to have a good year. Many dudes with his experience have turned the corner and taken command of their respective teams. He has yet to do that. At times last year the team look completely confused on offense. That is troubling.

Posted by: vincentc | April 28, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

i've heard Harry Theofilides is in town too

Posted by: mdrockjock | April 28, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Alan 4:

"Looks like Peace and Peaceful have a disagreement!

Peace out."

Well crafted! Thanks for the laugh.

Posted by: corky1031 | April 28, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Joe Ganz was a great leader at Nebraska. It's too bad he didn't have the 2 full years to start at Nebraska because he was better than Sam Keller. I know he's long shot because of the relationship that Chase has built w/the staff already. I'm sure some one else will give him a shot if the Redskins don't keep him. Otherwise coaching is in Joe's career. GBR! HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!

Posted by: ry4477 | April 28, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

You cannot tell me that JC doesn't have a better demeanor for success than Big Ben, Flacco, or Eli Manning; JC has the misfortune of being on a worse run team, and his performance has reflected the mediocrity of the team around him. Snyderrato is looking around envious of these other young qb's performances, but fails to realize that the TEAMS AROUND THEM are orders of magnitude better than the team around JC.

Recall JC's performance in the New Orleans game and the SF game at the end of the season. This guy can be a winner, his players play for him, and he respects them. That Snyderrato fail to see the importance of the quality of players around the qb (o-line) affect the qb's performance is another sign of their ineptitude. Recall the Giant/Patriot Super Bowl: Brady struggled all day because their o-line took a beat-down from the Giants d-line, and Eli had the opportunity to make plays from his o-line.

How many o-lineman did the 'Skins take in this o-line rich draft?

What a FO disaster this team has.

Posted by: pdfordiii | April 29, 2009 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Doc Walker Interviews Sonny: Don't Blame the Offensive Line

Img_0190_tiny by KevinE on Apr 28, 2009 12:56 AM EDT in Analysis Comment 15 comments

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Doc Walker and Kevin Sheehan interviewed Sonny Jurgensen yesterday on the Locker Room, covering the hot topics of the draft and Jason Campbell. The full mp3 of the interview is below and highly recommended, but here are the highlights:

Sonny Jurgensen's reaction to the draft: They were just grab bagging...I'm sure they researched all these guys. They didn't have a lot of picks to work with. They tried to move up...Jets beat them to it. Drafting Qbs...Leaf, George, Couch...you don't know what you're getting. So trading up is so risky. Ryan Leaf, you thought had all the tools you need. It's sexy to bring in a guy like Sanchez.

Regarding the rumor Campbell wanted to be traded if Sanchez was drafted: The thing that bothered me was how Jason or his agent reacted. 'Oh, I want to be traded.' What you want to here is, 'Bring em all in! I'll compete with them!' That's what I want to hear."

Doc: He never said that he wanted to be traded. I spoke with him, but I agree. I mean...if a man can beat you out in 3 months who doesn't know the offense and you do know it, then he's better than you are!

Sonny: Football is competition. I would be like "Bring em in! I don't care! He's not getting my job! It's mine!"

Kevin Sheehan: You concerned JC is too sensitive?

Sonny: Everyone is sensitive, which is OK. It can't bother you though. You're paid. You have a job. You're suppose to be the leader of the offense. Now play and lead. He's got the same coach, same offense, same system this year...so fans don't want to hear 'it's only my second year.' It should be a big step up [this year]. And they're gonna entertain more Qbs next year [so it is what it is].

Doc: Looking at the 2nd half of the season, and I have no clarification of this yet, but it appears someone in the organization has tried to lay this demise on Jason...and it was his inabilty to make plays as to why they have failed. No one has disputed this based on the chase for Sanchez and Cutler.

If I'm Jason, I'm going, 'well there's also the play-calling...it took an entire year to get talent on the field.' I want someone on the (coaching) staff to tell me what happened. Roethlisberger got sacked more than any other QB in the league, yet they won rings,so don't blame the offensive line.

(Steelers were actually the 4th most sacked team, Patriots 5th, and Skins 10th)

Sonny: Well there you go. The QB and head coach always gets the blame..that's the nature of the NFL.

Sonny then quoted a great Sam Huff line: "You live in hope and die in despair."

Posted by: anacostia85 | April 29, 2009 8:01 AM | Report abuse

I'm no expert on contract rules but anyone who's watched sports knows that's not true.

A player with a strong agent just has to plea "unhappiness" and he's gone.

And if anyone has earned the right to be unhappy, it's Campbell.

Big Success or Big Flop. He's gonzo.

Get ready for the single wing with Betts as tailback.

Ask yourself how many NFL teams could Betts start for? and get 1000 yeards? Not many.. Average at best, I say its time for an Upgrade at RB , Clinton is still good but he needs a HR threat backing him up ,
Betts scares not one OC for opposing teams.

Posted by: rlomax67 | April 29, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Give JC an Ol like Doug Williams and we will play for division title and then the SB while the rest of the NFC is standing around scratching their..........head.
Tebow next year? With Colt and Chase that makes three Heismans. They will have the same success as all of the other Heisman QB's have had with the skins.

Can anyone give us a list of Heisman QB's we have had other than Danny W.?

Posted by: changer1 | April 29, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Theisman
Schuler
Matthews
Campbell
the Colt
the Chase
and of course Spurrier

Did I miss any?

Posted by: changer1 | April 29, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

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