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The Atlanta Vulcans

Didn't realize just how inept Atlanta's passing game has been until I started checking them out this week. They make Washington's receivers look like the 1980 San Diego Chargers (one of my all-time favs, Winslow, Joiner and my favorite player growing up and the Redskins current director of player development John Jefferson all going over 1,000 yards).

Tight end Alge Crumpler is the only Falcon with 30 catches or more than 325 yards through 11 games. That's pretty scary. And for as much angst as has been manifested over the T.J. Duckett deal, take a look at what Atlanta ended up with. Ashley Lelie is having a Brandon Lloyd season - 18 grabs for 307 yards and no TDs. Well actually it's still better than Lloyd (18 catches for 269 yards and no TDs), but you get the point.

The Falcons are 31st in passing offense, at 141 per game. That's 100 yards per game less than the Redskins, who haven't exactly been lighting it up. Only two Falcons have more than one TD reception - again we're talking through 11 games here - and Mike Vick is completing 51 percent of his passes for a whopping 6 yards per attempt.

If ever there was a team to keep the Redskins' secondary feeling good about itself for another week, this would seem to be it. Heck, this has to be it. And, not to look too far ahead, but the Jeff Garcia-led Eagles are up next, and they're passing game isn't feasting on anyone, either. As bad as the defensive backs have been, I'm not going to get too caught up in what they did against Carolina. Shutting down Steve Smith is very impressive, but they've got to show they can do it every week.

Maybe going away from the zone stuff and Cover-2 is the way for the Skins to go. Sure worked last week. Even against a team without stud wideouts like Atlanta, I might want Springs and Rogers to keep jamming at the line in man coverage, and that alignment definitely brought out the best in the safeties last Sunday. You know, if it ain't broke and all.

Randoms: Someone mentioned Jason Campbell's inevitable "Fathead" debut yesterday. So I'm flipping through Fox Soccer Channel and what should I see but a European version called, "Wallbangers." I kid you not. They had them for all the big English Premier League stars. There are some world-class mullets going around in the soccer world, so I might have to indugle in one of these for the basement, although I already smell the dual Lauren/Chloe veto coming. This Swedish winger, Christian Wilhelmsson, used to have the best mullett I have seen in a long, long time. He doesn't play in the EPL - I think he's still with Anderlecht in Belgium - but check this out., anyway:

By Jason La Canfora  |  November 30, 2006; 7:30 AM ET
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That's an insane mullet. Truth be told, I'm not worried about the Falcons passing game, I'm worried about their running game.

Posted by: tampadave | November 30, 2006 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Nice Mullett, but no one will ever top the old Jagr mud flap.

Posted by: etrod | November 30, 2006 7:54 AM | Report abuse

test post

Posted by: Anonymous | November 30, 2006 8:02 AM | Report abuse

jason, thanks for the early post.

i have the feeling we are in for a let down. the win over carolina was huge, a true gut check effort after jg ripped them and questioned their desire and skills and perhaps even their manhood.
i believe the falcons are probably in a similar position. they are reeling and desperate for a win. and vick's reputation has taken a beating since the dirty bird flashing incident. so i'm afraid the falcons will play inspired ball and vick will have a monster game. we need to be ready for a tough one.

Posted by: cosmofla | November 30, 2006 8:11 AM | Report abuse

can't say i've ever been a fan of the mullet but those hockey players seem to have it down pretty tight. back in the day the fro ruled...and everyone had their picks, either stuck in the bush or back pockets. and you had to have it samuel l. jackson in pulp fiction.

Posted by: cosmofla | November 30, 2006 8:17 AM | Report abuse

My only concern is Vick. I'm not worried about their wideouts or RBs, just Ron Mexico. Who can we use to shadow him? None of our LBs can do it and I doubt any of our CBs can do it. After the dirty bird incident last week you know he's going to try to redeem himself and I don't see it happening thru the air.

Looks like it may be a long afternoon of Sean Taylor chasing him down . Of course, if the Reaper gets a clean hit on him then it'll be Matt Schaub time and then the D can play their game...

Posted by: Posse Redux | November 30, 2006 8:19 AM | Report abuse

cosmofla no doubt. And it had to be the one with the black power fist. LMAO! Remember Dr. J fro?

Posted by: jm220 | November 30, 2006 8:24 AM | Report abuse

I really like Vick. But since he is playing our team. The Reaper got to lay the wood on him early. Make him think twice about running.

Posted by: jm220 | November 30, 2006 8:26 AM | Report abuse

i know i'm late with it, but that friend article was brutal. how anyone can have respect for a guy like man boobs after reading that is beyond me.
i know he gets results (this season not included), but at what cost?
my feeling is there are two kinds of coaches: those who rule by fear(parcells, lombardi), and those who inspire/motivate(gibbs, vermeil). but any coach who ridicules his players is not going to last long. to a degree, i think parcells is this way, but his players seem to respect him. i think he's a great coach, but an a-
hole. has anyone
ever had a good thing to say about gw? i mean a good thing about him on a personal level? i haven't heard.

Posted by: cosmofla | November 30, 2006 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't matter. The last time Carlos Rogers successfully covered anybody was when he pulled the blankets up as he got in bed last night!

This will be Atlanta's get well game. 200+ yards rushing. Two TD's to Crumpler and a 27-13 win.

Posted by: Montana'Skins Fan | November 30, 2006 8:30 AM | Report abuse

I hate to be pessimistic, but am I the only one that feels a let down coming on?

Posted by: Biggs | November 30, 2006 8:32 AM | Report abuse

jm220, the power fist ruled! dr j was my idol...even got to meet him once at a summer bball camp. that man had the largest hands i have ever seen. he could hold an regulation ball in both hands and his fingers would touch. i actually believe it affected his shooting in a negative way..that's why he went to the hole and slammed on folks...sickest move of all time vs lakers in finals...left from one side of baseline, landed on the other with the reverse scoop off the glass. i had to see the replay to believe it. never seen anyone hang longer,,not even mj

Posted by: cosmofla | November 30, 2006 8:34 AM | Report abuse

biggs, check my earlier post on this thread. i definitely see it coming. hope we can find a way.
off to work...check in tonight
hail skins!

Posted by: cosmofla | November 30, 2006 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Good post JLaC! So again, Denver has gotten the better of a trade.

Also, I kinda think Gibbs 2.3 will be hungry for this game. He use to be a minority owner. He knows Artur Blank real good. And, he was OFFERED the Atlanta HC job. So, you can't tell me emotions will not be involved. Gibbs 2.3 will make sure his players' are in the best position to winthis game. Thoughts?

Posted by: 4th Floor | November 30, 2006 9:01 AM | Report abuse


What do you think about Cannavaro taking home the hardware?

What do you think about some in the media saying he doesn't deserve because of his less than stellar season at Bernaboa?

I still say that he was best player on the biggest stage and captian of the world champs. I can understand how someone would disagree but to act as if he stole the thing is ridiculous to me. Admittedly I'm biased though.

Posted by: Skinz | November 30, 2006 9:02 AM | Report abuse


I agree with you on 2 points:
1. The stink of a let down hangs in the air this week.
2. the shiny fro was the s--t! Nobody's shined quite like AC Green w/the showtime lakers.

Posted by: etrod | November 30, 2006 9:10 AM | Report abuse

albeit AC had some help from the Soul-Glo.

Posted by: etrod | November 30, 2006 9:12 AM | Report abuse

I agree with all of you....we are going to fall this weekend.

(1) Atlanta is reeling from 4 straight losses and will be ready to rebound outside of Atlanta. My guess is the Falcon receivers will be catching every ball this weekend and Vick will run circles around us.
(2) The Skins have not put together 2 straight wins since the Jacksonville game.

Any possibility that Duckett can provide the Skins with some ammunition against his former team????

Posted by: Lisa | November 30, 2006 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Any possibility that Duckett can provide the Skins with some ammunition against his former team????

Sure, if he's on the field.

Posted by: etrod | November 30, 2006 9:17 AM | Report abuse

The stink of a let down hangs in the air this week.

etrod it does a little. But not as much as it did when Brunell was at QB. With Campbell I just feel we have a better chance of winning than we would if Brunell was back there.

Posted by: jm220 | November 30, 2006 9:20 AM | Report abuse

C'mon troops lets can the negative vibes, save them for monday morning!!!!!

Good vibes all around we can do it against these dirty birds!

Anyone else looking forward to Tom Friend chat today on Wash Post?

Great Punk album of the day recomendation: The Queers Love Songs for the Retarded

Posted by: Chris Larry | November 30, 2006 9:22 AM | Report abuse

I think offensively, they'll be OK but last week the defense played with a lot of emotion. I just don't know if they can sustain that.

Just call me another jaded skins fan.

Posted by: etrod | November 30, 2006 9:22 AM | Report abuse

No follow up story on "Andyman" huh?

Posted by: DB | November 30, 2006 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I still say that he was best player on the biggest stage and captian of the world champs. I can understand how someone would disagree but to act as if he stole the thing is ridiculous to me. Admittedly I'm biased though.

Yeah I thought Pujols' reaction to Ryan Howard's MVP was pretty bush-league as well.

Posted by: RMilot | November 30, 2006 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Montana'Skins Fan, did you watch the Carolina game? Carlos had great coverage in that game. And he was giving up 4-5 inches to MeShawn. I know it's hard this year, but give credit where credit is due...

JLC, I know it's blasphemous as a non-ManU EPL fan, but maybe you can get a Cristiano Ronaldo Wallbanger. He had a pretty tight mullet for a while, and the ladies can never say no to him. My girlfriend (who roots for Portugal ever since visiting there years ago) made him her desktop at work after the WC.

I'm actually a photographer here in NYC, so let me know and I'll head over to BillyBurg and get a nice collection of hipster mullets pics for you. Who knows... maybe I'll get a book deal out of it.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | November 30, 2006 9:31 AM | Report abuse

JLC, what does a director of player development do? I wasn't aware Jefferson was involved with the Redskins.

I don't sense a letdown this week. We beat Carolina because we played good, no gimmicks, Redskins football. To be fair, we got some help from a QB with accuracy problems which will likely be the case this week, too.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 30, 2006 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else heard the story of two women getting it on last week at the Panthers/Redksins games inside one of the stalls in the bathroom? Supposedly someone snapped some pictures of it with their cell phone and they're now circulating around on the internet. LOL, that's gold Jerry, gold! Seriously, in the bathroom at FedEx? Anyways if you all are going to mention best/favorite tv shows how can no one mention the hit classic 'Sledge Hammer'? C'mon! And what? No mention of The Simpsons? Six-Feet Under? Reba?

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum | November 30, 2006 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Any chance Duckett will get some more touches with Atlanta coming to town?

Forget EPL mullets, you should just go ahead and get a retro Jeff George fathead. Now that was a mullet.

Posted by: Dorf | November 30, 2006 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Forget that previous mullet pic. Here's a much better one:

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum | November 30, 2006 9:50 AM | Report abuse

mullet + mustache = must have Fathead for the basement

plus it'll always remind you of Daniel Snyder's always brilliant free agency pick ups that ruin team chemistry.

Posted by: Dorf | November 30, 2006 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Chief Clancy Wiggum, you can't drop a bomb like that without a link... c'mon man!

Help us out!

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | November 30, 2006 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I don't sense a letdown, I sense momentum. Gibbs has AS calling a Gibbs-like power running game now...the defense finally played well and might actually be able to sustain it b/c Springs is finally getting healthy again and can cover like he did last week. I think ATL is the toughest matchup left for us b/c they are the best at stopping the run of our remaing opponents. The players know there are only 5 games left and remember last year.

Anyone who saw that game last week knows Rogers was SICK. And JlaC, I hear ya on not getting TOO cuaght up in shutting down Steve Smith, but Springs is finally healthy and played like that against one of the best WRs in the's reason enough for ME to be excited.

Posted by: WrongDog | November 30, 2006 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Bucktown I've only heard about it on the early morning radio shows 'Elliot in the Morning' and 'The Junkies.' Haven't seen them for myself just yet.

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum | November 30, 2006 10:11 AM | Report abuse

This site is full of ugly soccer players, but the link is to the Mullet Page. Enjoy!

Posted by: Sniffer | November 30, 2006 10:11 AM | Report abuse

seriously, did I just see SLEDGE HAMMER mentioned??? I think I read it like 7 minutes ago and passed out due to an onslaught of repressed's. Awesome pull though. Next we'll be talking about Robotech and Exo Squad.

Oh (sorry, I'll talk football next) and whomever of you lunatics declared entourage as shallow/bad acting/etc, please see the episode where Eric tells his GF about banging the perfect 10 model. Or when Vince is on the roof at the high school party. You're right, terrible acting, but what damn good show.

Vulcans...stirring a memory... was there a vulcan in Flash Gordon? Maybe an ally with a bird and wings? I'm a loser. That sealed it right there.

Falcons - But seriously, Vick's run last week. Remember this team trying to stop McNabb back in the day and his receiving corps looked like the cast from MASH. Definitely a GREAT game for Rocky to play QB spy w/ his wheels.


Posted by: Pub Golf | November 30, 2006 10:19 AM | Report abuse

bucktown, i heard about it. on the way home, one of the riders in my car heard about. said a bunch of cops came to the bathroom. people thought it initially was a guy and girl in the bathroom, but it was too chicks. butt-nekkid too (which kind of shocks me. sure take of a shirt or something, but totally bare in a stadium bathroom? woah) and they were going at it apparently. the girl in my car saw pictures from someone taking shots with their camera phone. first time i was angry for not having ubstructed view seats.. dizzamn

Posted by: hmmmmm | November 30, 2006 10:28 AM | Report abuse

albeit AC had some help from the Soul-Glo.

Wow the Coming to America reference made my day. "Just let your SOUL GLO!!!"

Posted by: Sexual Chocolate | November 30, 2006 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I think it will be a close game, Hopefully JC will get a chance to unload the catapult. I'm (wince- dare I say it) hoping we could be in for another DG, a great athlete and outstanding human being. Hope springs eternal, praying the owner guy stays out of this one.
As for the girls-Giants game, I root for two teams, the Redskins and whoever's playing Dallas. Yeah, I'm old.

Posted by: ILikeSonny | November 30, 2006 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I don't know how to say this... but I just received those pics mentioned above. ummmm... You can't see too much, because they are taken over head, but I was able to determine a few items thanks to watching Law & Order a few times:

1. These two ladies are in no way unattractive. Jeans to ankles/shirts pulled up/etc. There is definitely a couple of shots of some...diving? Very close to a blumpkin as "Portis" (the jersey she's wearing) is sitting on the toilet.
2. I believe one of the girls names is either "Tanya" or "Star". Just call it a hunch.
3. The girl on top definitely uses a tannnig bed, no holds barred.
4. I have it in my old college email account, so no I can't post a link.



Posted by: Pub Golf | November 30, 2006 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Sledge Hammer? Holy crap. I'll never forgive ABC for cancelling that show. That and Sidekicks (with Ernie Reyes, Jr.) was the best hour on TV back in '86. Dori Dorro was hot.

Let me see another week of Redskins football and then maybe I'll stop waiting for failure.

Posted by: etrod | November 30, 2006 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Sexual Chocolate,

I just got done watching the "What's goin' down" episode of "That's My Momma"

Posted by: etrod | November 30, 2006 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Sidekicks didn't work out too well for me. You see, after watching it, I thought I could beat up bigger people too. All I got was a mass of bruises, a false front tooth, and a permanent wedgy line from my older bro's.

And I kicked them hard too.

Posted by: Pub Golf | November 30, 2006 10:44 AM | Report abuse

'Sidekicks' the movie(as mentioned yesterday has gotta be way better than the tv show with the same title. Jonathan Brandis, Beau Bridges, Chuck Norris, and Winnie Cooper. Talk about a star-studded cast. The Fryin' Dragon Dojo. C'mon now that's quality enteratinment. Chuck Norris is the man. As Vince Vaughn said in Dodgeball, "Thank you, Chuck Norris" for being better than Segal or Van Damme.

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum | November 30, 2006 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Greatest mullet I have seen in a long time. Leave it to the Euros.

I have a lot more respect for the Friend article, even though I would have loved to have seen JaLaC get to write it instead, since I heard Wilbon say that he is one of the five biggest Redskin fans he knows. If one of us had that sort of insight on the team we would feel obligated to share it with the rest of the world.

Lets see what he has to say for himself his chat is about to start.

Posted by: PSUAsh | November 30, 2006 10:59 AM | Report abuse

They're gonna win Sunday. And beat the Eagles. They'll even win in St. Louis. The tricky one will be in New Orleans.

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 30, 2006 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Chief Wiggum, I'd agree with you except that Joe Piscopo was in the Movie which automatically diqualifies it from being better than anything.

The only exclusion from that rule is Johnny Dangerously.

Posted by: etrod | November 30, 2006 11:06 AM | Report abuse

etrod, Johnny Dangerously!?! HA!

"You shouldn't grab me, Johnny. My mother grabbed me once... ONCE!"

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | November 30, 2006 11:17 AM | Report abuse

. Gregg Williams wanted Andre Carter, not Darren Howard. Gregg Williams begged Archuleta to come.

If this is true, that alone is enough for double G head to roll. (smack in the back of your damn head for begging Arch I get beat all the time)

Posted by: jm220 | November 30, 2006 11:19 AM | Report abuse

PG - I don't know weather to believe you or not. This video must be posted. Try to send it to google video or something. You definitely can't leave us hangin like that........

Posted by: 4th Floor | November 30, 2006 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Lots of people are asking if they expect a let down. I think you have to expect it because that is what this squadron has shown that it does. Post Jacksonville, I believed we could do anything...we then made bathroom in our panteloons until last week.

If I touch a burning pot, should I be surprised that it hurts when I go to touch it again the following week? If I don't think it will hurt, then I am insane. I am not insane so I expect this weekend to hurt.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | November 30, 2006 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Don't know how much truth is to what Friend is saying on the chat. But damn he is really calling double G out. If you get a chance you should read it. Let's start the movement to get him (double G) out of here.

Posted by: jm220 | November 30, 2006 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Why would Tom Friend lie? Nothing nin for him andhe has a track record as a good journalist. I have loved him ever since Educating Dexter!

Also he backed up my Russ Grimm for head coach theory...sweet!

Grilliams should stay..BUT Lindsay and Jackson gone, no new hires have enough coaches and some of Grilliams personel power revoked.

Posted by: Chris Larry | November 30, 2006 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Chris Larry with all due respect. If double G have lost the players as Friend suggested. Why would you want him to stay? He would only kill their spirits even more next year. No, I say cut your loses and let him go for the better of the team.

Posted by: jm220 | November 30, 2006 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I feel ya, and I am 60/40 in not firing him so I can be convinced.....BUT I think stability is what the Skins need the most. I also think firing some of his coaches and reaching some new understandings it could be fixed. He is a good coach and the players do remember what he has done for them other years. Also if hey make ajustments and play better the rest of the way out there could be something to build on.

Posted by: Chris Larry | November 30, 2006 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Awful mullet, Jason. And I though Jonathan Spector's was bad.

Posted by: Deanna | November 30, 2006 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Gotta love DC
But first one must understand its culture.
Change, change, change
Republicans, Democrats, Bullets, Wizards, new mayor, new school superintendent, new police chief, new fire chief, oh yeah - new Redskins coach and qb every 2 or so years. All gets folk here fired up. I've never seen such euphoria for a 4-7 team. I went to the Wizards game 2 days ago and didn't see it. You are what your record says you are. 4-7. Even political spin and constant change that causes ongoing DC optimism doesn't change 4-7. Even if 4-7 becomes 5-7 and 2 playoff seasons since 1992...

Posted by: Good Question | November 30, 2006 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Guys, let me tell you something about Tom Friend. This is strictly about Friend and has nothing to do with this specific Redskins story.
I've known Tom since we were sports journalism pups...We worked together at The National. When I worked at the NY Daily News, we tried to hire him.
He is a terrific, trustworthy reporter. A great writer. [Also a cool dude.]

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 30, 2006 12:18 PM | Report abuse

With all the gems in this thread so far -- very strong work for a Thursday morning -- I'm hung up on "Atlanta Vulcans." I realize it's a play on words, but I'm having trouble seeing BBV (big bro Vick), Mora II and company as eminently logical beings. So maybe that's the joke?

It's helpful to remember that Spock was half human, ergo not an exemplary Vulcan.

I think the Flash Gordon reference was to Vultan, king of the Hawk Men? We're talking about the '81 movie featuring Sam Jones, right? With the great theme song by Queen?

Live long and prosper, and wear burgundy trousers with your white tunic.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | November 30, 2006 12:25 PM | Report abuse

i think the remaining schedule plays out nicely for us just like last years did...

all are winable games...


Posted by: deadskin | November 30, 2006 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I believe in Mr. Hankey...

Posted by: Kyle Broflofski | November 30, 2006 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Okay, let's see:
I just used Vulcans for no good reason whatsoever, other than it sounds like Falcons.

Somebody mentioned Christiano Ronaldo. I have made respect for his skills, but the continued flopping I saw first hand at the World Cup stunk. He'll never be a Wallbanger in my house, but yes, the gals do love him.

I'm not sure what to make of Cannavaro. He was unbelieveable at the Copa Mundial, but I agree, far less assertive for his club. Going into that World Cup I think Eto and Ronaldinho has a strangle-hold on it, but one was a spectator in Germany and the other played like a spectator, so I can't fault it. Hell, Cannavaro got robbed of the Golden Ball, so he might as well get this award.

Also Jon Spector's mullet will always have a special place in my heart. I got to know him a bit like 3 years ago when the Under-17 World Cup was in Finland, and I give the kid props, he was rocking the retro hair even as a teen. So pumped to see him healthy now and contributing to some clean sheets with West Ham. That kid is going to be a cornerstone for the US for a long time.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | November 30, 2006 12:57 PM | Report abuse

PG- its a given, as soon as we joined this online family we sealed our fates as dorks. What I can't figure out is what middle schooler didn't like Exo-Squad? never figured out why that show got nixed.

Yes! The Office is on tonight! Ed Helms' character has really taken flight since the merger. He and Dwight could go at it for hours and itd still be good television.

Oh wait, this is a Redskins blog? Shoot. Sorry.

Posted by: Dorf | November 30, 2006 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Some skins fan, montana skins fan. You sound like a falcons fan.

December - Gibbs Month - begins this weekend, and we've gotten off to a winning start early. The stars are re-aligning in favor of the skins. It's been a rough one this year, but I have a feeling things are going to be headed in the right direction goign forward.

Posted by: Ready for December | November 30, 2006 1:21 PM | Report abuse

CITY OF COMPTON...I love saying that. Big game for Lloyd and Randle-El. My prediction. Taylor has an even better game than the last. Cooley and Moss get shut down. Still, Vick keeps it close.

I think the running game will have a big day as well.

Al Saunders is the bomb. Remember it.

Posted by: The Governor | November 30, 2006 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Dorf, NFL Network is carrying the Ravens game opposite The Office tonight. But we, here in Raleigh, don't get NFLN so it will be Michael Scott all the way tonight.

Joe Bugel is the bomb. Al Saunders can carry his clipboard.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 30, 2006 1:50 PM | Report abuse

The mullets are hilarious. No Ronaldo wall banger for me either. My choice would be Thierry Henry even though Arsenal has lost 3 straight. You tube Henry, Ronaldo or Ronaldinho and you will convert to soccer.

I am a little frightened of Vick running all over our defense. He can take advantage of teams playing out of position. It will be a tough challenge. But I think the skins will win.

I was impressed with Friend's chat talking Skins. He seems like he would fit in with the blogger crowd.

By the way, yesterday PTI mentioned that Romo said he is not dating J Sim. So, diddy you still have a chance.

Posted by: calebt17 | November 30, 2006 1:52 PM | Report abuse

The only thing that impressed me about Friend's chat was that he obviously has his own axe to grind with Gregg Williams. Some of his statements were ridiculous.

Posted by: WrongDog | November 30, 2006 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I called for Grimm as HC back when Spurrier quit (but before Gibbs came back). I would love to see it happen, but I would also love to see Gibbs RESUME his head coaching duties next year. Forget this CEO crap, this team needs Gibbs, the Head Coach. But if he's not up to it, for health reasons or stamina reasons or whatever, then do the right thing: become team president, fire Saunders, hire Grimm, fire Grilliams, promote Blache to DC, and build this team for a 2008 SB run.

Posted by: CMoney | November 30, 2006 2:00 PM | Report abuse

how do you know his statements were ridiculous? what kind of contact with the players do you have?

Posted by: ez e | November 30, 2006 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't have player contact, I have common sense.

Posted by: WrongDog | November 30, 2006 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Here's a couple examples of what I mean. Nope, doesn't sound like an axe to grind with Williams at all, does it??

Tom Friend: Poeple in Buffalo laugh at the mere mention of Gregg Williams.

Tom Friend: With Archuleta, it doesn't appear they ever gave him a chance.

Sometimes I wonder if Gregg Williams is trying to justify his salary, with all these stunts on the d-line and Cover 2 gimmicks.

Of course the players deserve blame, too. But Williams, I'm told, has ticked off the players for never taking blame himself. I think the consensus is that players know that in Buffalo, Williams wore out his welcome, and over these last five games, we'll find out if he wore it out here, too.

Tom Friend: There are a core of great players that New England keeps around. The Bruschis, etc. Philly, too. And they replenish through the draft. The Redskins draft a McIntosh, and don't play him! And I think maybe those other teams buy into their coaches a little better than in DC.

Posted by: WrongDog | November 30, 2006 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I thought Tom Friend's chat was very sincere, and didn't strike me as false or ridiculous in any way.

Just wondering, wrongdog, but which answers struck you as ridiculous or implausible?

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | November 30, 2006 2:18 PM | Report abuse

wrongdog is your statements fool!

Posted by: chris Larry | November 30, 2006 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Oh, here's another good one. Pretty cool how he can read people's thoughts, huh?

Tom Friend: That player said what the others were thinking.

And I didn't even c&p any of the lines where he called Gibbs grandpa etc.

Posted by: WrongDog | November 30, 2006 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Wrongdog I have to disagree with you about Friend being ridiculous. It seems to me he was just stating what Deep Cover had said about double G as well as the radio station and players in Buffalo.

Posted by: jm220 | November 30, 2006 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Wrongdog once again the statement of "Gibbs grandpa" was what Deep Cover told him. It seems you are taking what Deep Cover said to him as his own statements. To me that's not how he came across. But I respect your view.

Posted by: jm220 | November 30, 2006 2:23 PM | Report abuse

JM, totally cool if you ddisagree, but check this out and tell me of they are his words, or someone else's:

Washington, D.C.: tom, what is your personal opinion of Joe Gibbs? I know that you have been a Redskins fan, but are you a Gibbs fan?

Tom Friend: I am a huge Gibbs fan, but he's not the hands-on, maniacal coach he used to be. He was such a micromanager the first time around, he and Bobby Beathard couldn't co-exist. But now he's the grandpa around there...What really gets me is that at ESPN, when they discuss the great coaches today, it's Belichick, Parcells, Cowher, Reid, Holmgren...You never hear Gibbs' name anymore, and he's a Hall of Famer. It's sad.

Friend sounds like peter king...

Posted by: WrongDog | November 30, 2006 2:28 PM | Report abuse

chris larry?

Posted by: Anonymous | November 30, 2006 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Can someone post the link to the chicks doing it in the bathroom stall at Fedex field?

Posted by: King Kong | November 30, 2006 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Wrongdog, apptly named, people have on this blog have called Gibbs way worse than grandpa....I think his point is valid and have been echoed by many did give away so much power.

Posted by: chris Larry | November 30, 2006 2:33 PM | Report abuse

yes? you rang..

Posted by: chris Larry | November 30, 2006 2:36 PM | Report abuse

C-larry, fine. My point was not about calling Gibbs grandpa. My point is that he sounds like a frustrated fan who is directing his anger at Gdubs. My point was that some of the things he said were ridiculous and I pointed out a few above. Like saying they never gave Arch Deelux a chance. Or that peeps in buffalo laugh at the "mere mention" of doubleG. Or that he knows what other players are thinking. Or that other players buy into their coaches more than in DC. It just sounds like a personal thing against GW, at least to me. Does that make me wack, friend? Did I support my statements enough for you, friend?

Posted by: WrongDog | November 30, 2006 2:39 PM | Report abuse

actually no, you sound ridiculous...friend

Posted by: chris Larry | November 30, 2006 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Well, at least you supported your statements.

Posted by: WrongDog | November 30, 2006 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to stay off-topic with soccer for a moment more. ;)

I'm still sorry Fergie sold Spector from United this summer. He was class; never put a foot wrong. I hope he makes it big. (I read somewhere that he sent Adu home too, realizing that he won't make it at United.)

I hope you get a soccer blog, Jason. Your World Cup coverage was excellent.

Posted by: Deanna | November 30, 2006 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Wrongdog, I respect your opinion on this situation, but for one thing I'm pretty sure that the Buffalo sentiments are true, and generally accepted as so (I've heard that from a few different sources, including one of our own blogamily who went to school up there, or something).

I think if you look at it with the belief that Friend's source was a real player, then much of it is believable and somewhat enlightening. After the glowing praise heaped on Friend by Cindy and Mike Wilbon, I have to believe that it's true.

Therefore it sounds more like the factual reporting of a frustrated player and his "inside view" than a Pasquafatassesque butcher job on the Skins.

Every time I think I've come to the end of the road on distorting Lenny-boy's name in print, I write something new that makes me chuckle. Pasquafatassesque... I like that.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | November 30, 2006 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Wrongdog as much as I hate to agree with Friends but it does seem that Coach Joe has taken a Grandpa stance. (hands off and just give advice)

Now does that mean he's not for Coach Joe. No, to me he is just saying be the Coach Joe we all know. And you are always cool bra (I hope you are a man lol)if we agree with you or not.

Posted by: jm220 | November 30, 2006 2:59 PM | Report abuse

He is a reporter who collects data to make informed opinions. He has done it for a long time and has a track record. Thus he deserves some benifit of the doubt. He was not some ranting fan.

1. Grilliams was run out of Buffalo on a rail, do you doubt for a second that if you asked fans/talk radio hosts/bills staffers/journalists in Buffalo they wouldnt say he was a luaghing stock? I don't think that is a crazy statement.

2. He said that the defense staff had decide Arch Delux sucked in training camp and that how he was used was different than how he had been told he was going to be used. Seems like our Main Man JlaC has been saying the same thing on here for 3 weeks. Is he ridiculous too?

3. JM's point a few post ago is valid, we havent done the reporting, talked to players etc so if he says players were seconding deep covers statements but not willing to go on the record that doesnt seem ridiculous. Something was wrong we can all see that.

4. Skins have had a revolving door of coaches and cordinators for 12 years so is it a huge stretch to say the player tune them out quicker here in DC????

5. Why would it be personal? He admitted holding off on anti Grilliams stories because he was doing a good job. Grilliams pronblems with past teams and players is well documented, this was not Friend making this up.

6. Seems to me your another blame the media type love it or leave reactor who doesn't want accept the truth...keep killing the messenger, hey its worked in politics for 25 years.....

7. Friend is a good writer, I have read him since I was 16, Our blog editor here vouched for him. Lets be careful before we dismiss what he has to say as "ridiculous" especially from someone name "wrongdog"

Chris "Larry" Lawrence

Posted by: Chris Larry | November 30, 2006 3:01 PM | Report abuse


I don't think what you cut-and-pasted from Friend's chat supports your assertion that he has an axe to grind with GW. You might disagree with his conclusions, but I think every statement he made is reasonable and defensible given the reports. I don't know how you could support the opposite of Friend's statements without you (or some reporter) giving counter-examples to why he is wrong. I just don't see the facts out there to challenge his conclusions or to believe that he's doing this because he has an "axe to grind."

Posted by: OD | November 30, 2006 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Bucktown- nice, man, nice. Everyone hates him, at least we can all agree on that. I have no doubt that Friend is a good reporter and the fellow WaPo fam loves him. HOwever, I think people in buffalo hate him b/c he sucked as a head coach. (I'm probably gonna stick my foot in my mouth, but I think he had the #2 rated D when he left.) I have no real agenda in defending GW other than I think he's been a good coach and that people have piled on this year with the D not playing up to par. He deserves his share of the blame for this year's mess, for sure. But I just can't get past the fact that Friend seems like one man who doesn't like GW on a personal level and doesn't wanna see Gdubs back and is doing the only thing that he can to make sure he isn't back next year. "Frustrated fan" is the phrase I keep coming back to b/c that is really what he sounds like. DO I think there was a player who made those remarks? Yes. MOst definitely. But trying to speak for the whole D and the way he puts down GW in the chat just reeks of personal vendetta to me. If it was so true, why did our boys come out and play so hard last week? Why do they seem like they care for him? Why did they rally like they did? I ahve no answers...and no access to players...just what I think.

Posted by: WrongDog | November 30, 2006 3:04 PM | Report abuse


My you've opened a distracting can of worms! I went back and looked at the quotes you took from the chat. Again, nothing he says there seems like a "frustrated fan" or sounds different from a lot of the criticism that the Skins D has been getting from all sorts of media outlets, including national, local and this here very blog. It actually sounds like a pretty reasonable interpretation of what GW's tenure here has wrought.

And as far as the D pulling one off last weekend, didn't they get screamed at by St Joe and told their jobs here depended on their performance? Didn't GW scale back his tricks and play more straight-up?

Posted by: OD | November 30, 2006 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Hey wrongdog, I don't think deep cover said that, in short, he wasn't the only one. And it's not a stretch to say that a belligerent coach who doesn't seem to value his players based on what we've seen in two years here is not popular with the players.

As to the players response last game: Gibbs reamed them out and basically said everyone is playing for their job now. That'll light a fire under everyone's hiney. From other things, it sounded like double G simplified the game plan as well. I think a variety of factors went into their improved play, and I imagine they'll stick with it... I also think Friend's indictment of double G in relation to Arch deluxe lies in making Arch the fall guy while he was far from the only one playing like crap... If you could take the quotes you mentioned and speak to why you thought each one was ridiculous, that might help make your point clearer too. Not meaning to keep you on the defensive, just adding my thoughts. Take care!

Posted by: Gregarious | November 30, 2006 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else heard the story of two women getting it on last week at the Panthers/Redksins games inside one of the stalls in the bathroom?

I didn't hear or see this anywhere, but I suspect this is in fact a (fictional?) rehash of something that ACTUALLY happened a year or two ago, and took place not between two randoms, but two cheerleaders - one from the Panthers, one from the Bucs iirc? Furthermore, again if my occasionally-addled recall (not addled at the moment) serves, this incident took place not at the game but at a club afterward (in a bathroom there), and, finally, regrettably, I believe both were fired for the potential PR hit their respective teams would suffer.

On the other hand maybe this really did happen this weekend.

Just trying to contribute where I can.

Posted by: RMilot | November 30, 2006 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Damn! That mullet is Flock Of Seagulls scary!!!!!

Punk band for the month of December.... Glob from Northern California. They are new, unsigned, and my buddy plays drums.... so check 'em out!


Posted by: Mucus Membrane | November 30, 2006 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Jason or others in the know:

Does this game have a line for the number of dropped passes in this game? Do you think 12-15 drops sounds reasonable or am I being too conservative?


Posted by: EaglesFan | November 30, 2006 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Guess I should have edited BEFORE submitting; this was supposed to read

Jason or others in the know:

Does this game have a line for the number of dropped passes in it? Do you think 12-15 drops sounds reasonable or am I being too conservative?

Posted by: EaglesFan | November 30, 2006 3:44 PM | Report abuse

typical idiot eagles fan...

Posted by: OD | November 30, 2006 3:53 PM | Report abuse

RMilot, This DID happen last week at the game. Check out the next blog entry where the pictures from the camera cellphone are linked in it from a very nice blogger.

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum | November 30, 2006 4:03 PM | Report abuse

RMilot, This DID happen last week at the game. Check out the next blog entry where the pictures from the camera cellphone are linked in it from a very nice blogger.

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum | November 30, 2006 04:03 PM

Thanks chief. I'll check it out when I get home. probably inappropriate for the offiec where I've worked for less than two weeks.

Gives me something to look forward to.

Posted by: RMilot | November 30, 2006 4:13 PM | Report abuse

RMilot, No problem. I'm guessing many people are waiting until they get home to check em out, myself included. Geez is it quittin' time yet?

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum | November 30, 2006 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Ok, this wil be the last I have to say about it b/c it's getting old and I"m sure more than a few people are pretty annoyed by it at this point. ChrisLarry, I'll go down point by point, and thank you for responding. Hell, nobody's ever gonna read anything this long anyway...

1. A Laughing stock might be a bit of an over statement, but whatever. They didn' like him in buffalo b/c he didn't get results. I didn't think he was a good head coach either. I have never heard it said he couldn't coach up a D though. I know I was stoked when I heard he was coming here to be D-co. My point about FRiend's statement was that it was portrayed like "of course he's a joke, everyone knows that..."

2. Friend says Archie wouldn't have started anyway. I do not know of that is true or not...I don't think any of us do. BUt if they spent all training camp with him and decided he couldn't play the scheme, then he shouldn't start. That, however, does not mean that Ach wasn't ever given a chance as Friend states. Maybe they liked the film and when he got here found he was slow and not picking up the sublties of the scheme. But he was given a chance, IMO.

3. You are right about the reporting part. But Friend wrote a one-source anonymous article. Roundly critisized by many, including the WaPo and JLC. And I don't think the other players weren't willing to go on record (obviously not even the source was), but to say that's what the other players were thinking? THAT he CAN'T know.

4. I do not think that the DC players tune out more quickly than others. Just b/c the org has been a revolving door...none of these guys have been here for 12 years. And GW led the #2, then #9 ranked D in the nfl. The players don't love that? You don't have to be friends with the coaches, you just have to get results. And GW did until this year.

5. Wow, he held off until GW had a bad half season and then piled on? Nah, couldn't have been personal then.

6. This part is funny as hell. Blame the media love it or leave type? Dude, if we could sit down and have a beer we would both LOAO at that. Seriously.

7. Friend is a pretty good writer and I have nothing against him personally, other than his pile-on approach right now in calling out GW and Gibbs. What if the skins win out? What if they lose out? MAybe Gibbs has a different approach to life and how to get results than he did in the 80s and Friend just wants to see the guy the knew before? Or maybe Gibbs has lost some of the fire? I prefer to wait and see how it plays out before critisizing for not being the same as 20 years ago. I trust in Gibbs and always will--the guy wins at whatever he does. And man, WrongDog ins't my given name Lawrence.

I like that you posted a response instead of a personal atack. Very cool. Not trying to fight witcha, I just didn't like Friends answers and still think he sounds like a mad fan who wants GW gone. Now about those pics...

Posted by: WrongDog | November 30, 2006 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Been watching from the sidelines, but I'll jump in here.

Item 3: There's a difference between being an anon source and going "off-the-record". Maske cleared this up the other day. Off-the-record means that the source will tell you something but you can't use it at all. I thought Friend made it clear that he had 1 anon source and other off-the-record sources that corroborated what Deep Cover said. Thus, it's fair to say that one person said it and others were thinking it (or agreeing with it).

Item 5: I don't understand this. Why would someone try to figure out what the heck is going on with an underachieving team if the team is winning? He set out to write the article BECAUSE of the story.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 30, 2006 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I guess I wasn't clear that he had a source AND other off-the-record people too. Did not know that. Still weak that he left the building with Deep Cover though.

And think if only we were 8-3 everyone's safeties and corners would be meeting separately.

And I never said I disagreed with everything in the article, just the way Friend came across, to me, answering some of those questions today.

Posted by: WrongDog | November 30, 2006 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Re: Friend article and anon sources and off-the-record comments --

The confusion and speculation eminating from this article is exactly why most publication WILL NOT publish an article based on a single anon source. There is absolutely no way to place those comments in the proper context, which leads to mass speculation by the reader. Additionally, just throwing out a comment like "and other players agree" is irresponsible. What other players? What do they agree with? Do these other players have first-hand knowledge, or do they rely on hearsay?

I don't have any beef with the topic of the article, but I do have a problem with the lack of identified support and the lack of effort to present the coaches side of the story (for example, Grilliams has explained, whether right or wrong, that the safeties and corners have had seperate position meetings in every defense he has coached, whereas the article implies that this year was the first year it happened -- which, by the way, further implicates Archie as the source since the source apparently didn't know this was the case).

From what I hear, Friend has a good rep in the reporter community, but it certainly seems to me that he didn't do a complete job on this article and it has led to unwarranted confusion. There are definitely problems with the defense, but I don't think they are as disfunctional as this one anon source thinks they are.

Posted by: CMoney | November 30, 2006 5:37 PM | Report abuse

A follow-up thought --

It's one thing to cite an anon source for a FACT (such as the way the secondary structures its meetings), but it's completely different to cite an anon source for an OPINION (such as that Grilliams has lost the team). This is the root of the problem with Friend's article.

Posted by: CMoney | November 30, 2006 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Where are these doggone pictures?

Posted by: Joezenith | November 30, 2006 7:00 PM | Report abuse

What do they agree with?

That's a good point. It's unlikely that everyone on the defense agrees with everything Deep Cover said.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 1, 2006 9:01 AM | Report abuse

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