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The Century Club

Major props to all of you. We crushed over 100 comments yesterday. That's pretty awesome. Loved the back and forth between you guys, and you raised a lot of great points. Wish I could have posted more but between the travel, open locker room, all of my work and coach Joe's press conference, I was swapmped.

The quarterback debate will likely rage on, but I really truly would be completely stunned if anything happened there before the bye, barring injury. Brunell is their guy, he has all the snaps in this system this year and Coach Joe has a deep reservoir of faith in him, probably much deeper than many of you would like.

I have to say that after the resurrection of 2005 I think you have to give it more than two games. Let this guy play with Portis for a few games - if possible - before you run him out of town. I think Gibbs would be very reticent to switch gears and look at this as a rebuilding/growth year, and don't kid yourself, if you go with Campbell that's what it'll be. He would take some serious lumps. Jason knows that as well as anyone, but I also agree that at some point he needs to play, and the coaching staff might have to take its lumps when that time comes.

A few people asked about the mood at The Park. I think guys are confused more than anything else. I have the sense that the 6 game winning streak, in hindsight, has created a bit of a false sense that they can flick and switch and get that mojo back, Even Coach Joe didn't discount that theory entirely at his press conference Monday. But with just 16 games in a season and all the millions being paid out, to me, if I'm a paying customer, there's no excuse for that. This hole could haunt them for a long while, and who's to say they pull out of it like last year.

Of course, the more profound positive is the reality that this team has in fact come out of a daunting sinkhole before, and that undoubtedly inspires belief and continuity of thought. It's naïve to worry about infighting or dissention now ... Should this thing get to 0-4, that's a different story.

So what do I propose to snap the funk ... check in at lunchtime and I'll post a few thoughts.

By Jason La Canfora  |  September 19, 2006; 8:30 AM ET
 
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Comments

We want the nitty gritty Jason. I'm sure you can find some disgruntled player that is willing to alienate himself from the rest of the players by speaking out... Jansen perhaps? He's good for it. Thanks for the hard work, Mondays must be hell for you. No wonder you were swapmped. I've been there before too. TCB Jason, TCB.

Posted by: Dorf | September 19, 2006 9:07 AM | Report abuse

i think it was you jason L. that asked the coach yesterday (4:40 press conf.) weather it was too much too soon for the offense to learn and maybe they should've gradually implemented the new plays. good question and i liked coach's answer too. "...right now i want to change everything i did in the preseason..."

brunell or jason they need to max protect like last year. if they/skins are losing games to teams who're max protecting then maybe there's a good reason for it. both of those teams had old qb's and so is brunell...that aint michael vick back there...if you're going to start him then give him protection and make him feel comfortable. and you're absolutely right that if jason comes in then the superbowl hopes are over. but if we go 1-3 i think jason needs to get in at week 5. that'll give him 12 starts and hopefully saunders will find out weather to draft HIS KIND of a qb or jason's good enough.

hey, i'm a fan. i know what i'm talking about!!! :) but in all seriousness carter and adam archeuletta are a bust. no matter how many sacks they get at houston.

Posted by: dealer | September 19, 2006 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Anyone want to take bets that the much-maligned Mario Williams breaks out of his slump vs. Washington this week? I can hear the SportsCenter voiceovers already ...

Posted by: G Money | September 19, 2006 9:38 AM | Report abuse

How is it that Archuleta is among the league leaders in tackles?

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | September 19, 2006 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Dorf,

I watched Monday Night Live (a local Skins show on Comcast in which Jansen is a co-host) and he was high on the fact that the blame should fall on everyone.

Also on Comcast last night Saunders was asked if Brunnell was having difficulty with the new offense....did it really play to his strengths? Saunders replied that he is just now learning Brunell's strengths and weaknesses.....strange that it has taken so long.

I agree with G Money....Mario Williams will probably have a stellar game against us.

Posted by: Rainesmaker | September 19, 2006 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Assuming the worst, they can't get it together and we're a 4-12, 5-11 team....do we even have any draft picks to look forward to? Are we drafting at all on the first day in '07?

Posted by: So bad | September 19, 2006 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Here's detail about how the Lelie/Duckett/draft picks deal will work for the Skins in the 2007 NFL Draft.

Add this to the mix and do we think we should be putting in Campbell?

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4937878,00.html

If the link doesn't work, just Google "redskins 2007 draft picks" and hit the first link.

Now I have a reason to hope Jake Plummer continues to suck.

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | September 19, 2006 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I couldn't wait to get this season started...Man the Skins look terrible. If they don't beat Houston they better hand the reigns over to Campbell.

Posted by: Depressed in DC | September 19, 2006 10:48 AM | Report abuse

My boys and I are having a debate. Who is the bigger L-bag, Bram Weinstein or Larry Michael? Most of us agree that Weinstein is the bigger L-bag and that Michael is just a chuch. Bram Weinstein is a total bama. The guy's hair drives me crazy. And he always asks like a hundred questions and tells you everything about everything during his old radio show. "Today, Ethan Albright woke up at 8:30 AM and had a bowl of Grape Nuts for breakfast, a staple at the Albright house." Give me a break. Him and Ethan Thomas need to go to the barber and get a cut, maybe Ethan will be good again like he was at Syracuse. Larry Michael's voice reminds me of the most annoying sound in the world. He sports awkward gear and you can just see that guy constantly trying to sniff Snyder's throne. The Skins will be fine everyone. Stop making Redskins fans look like idiots to the rest of the football nation. We are going to dominate the Texans. These are the same guys that passed on Reggie Bush. That's like passing on marrying Rachel Hunter because you want to marry your sister. Booyakashot.

Posted by: The Governor | September 19, 2006 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Thanks again for doing this blog, Jason. No doubt that not having Springs and Portis has effected the Defense and Offense... but that goes to the heart of my real concern. They continue to OVERPAY and focus on parts they dont need (Ryan Clark $ v Archuletta $; and Duckett 3rd pick when they have Betts,Rock and Sellers) and ignore the glaring areas they DO need - CB and OL depth. in free agency and the draft. Wright is not cutting it. Rumph maybe, but they really miss Prieleau too

Posted by: TexSkin | September 19, 2006 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I thought I was the only one getting annoyed by Bram's hair but I see their are others out there...He's pretty annoying and so is Larry...

Posted by: Rob | September 19, 2006 10:52 AM | Report abuse

For years, the Redskin offensive line has been the most overrated in the league. They can't pass protect and can't open holes for the run. All the money in the world spent on skill players is wasted without strong line play. Look around the league at the elite teams and they all have great lines. It has always been that way and it always will be. Our starters are marginal and we have no backups. Instead of trading a third round pick for another backup runner, we should have gone after another lineman. Until the Skins start directing their focus on the basics, they will never be more than a middle of the pack team.

Posted by: Jay | September 19, 2006 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Where have Cooley and Sellers been so far this year?

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum | September 19, 2006 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Neither Rumph or Wright are making it. They're both awful.

Larry Michael is worse than Bram. Larry Michael is a clown, an utter hack. He shouldn't have that job.

We need to call into question the combined awareness of these coaches. Williams before the season says he's comfortable with his corners and his secondary. I don't know where he got that impression. Saunders says just now he's learning Brunell's strengths and weaknesses. Way to use that preseason. Gibbs has undying loyalty to veterans, which could retard the progress of this team. Campbell has to play. He needs time in the system. If Brunell can't get the job done against Houston with Clinton Portis playing, there's no need to wait. Yank Brunell for week four.

Posted by: Colin | September 19, 2006 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Or to better phrase it, how come Cooley and Sellers haven't been getting as many looks so far (not trying to lay blame on either of the 2 as it may have been implied in the previous post)?

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum | September 19, 2006 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if the rest of the offense gets sick of hearing the coaches blame the bad performances on "everyone" on the team. I'm sure they know who the real problem is: Mark Brunell. It all starts with him. Last night I heard Ben Rosthlesberger say on national TV after the game,that he needs to play better than he did. Now, that a stand up guy. I heard Brunell blaiming the whole offense. Not only does he now suck at the QB position, but he is real weasel for not admitting that he is not playing well enough.

Posted by: Stro | September 19, 2006 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you JLaC, Brunell has pulled it together before. I'm just hoping he's not hiding an injury (like Springs did for the past 8 months!). We can start "rebuilding" with Jason Campbell after we have a SEVENTH loss. In the NFC, esp. the NFC East, 9-7 still gets you a wild card game.

Posted by: dcsween | September 19, 2006 11:34 AM | Report abuse

1. I'm out of the loop---what's an "L-Bag"? Maybe I need another letter to figure it out.
2. Instead of dumping everything on Brunell, how about slinging some of it on Cooley. He seems to have difficulty separating from his defender and getting open, and the few times he's managed that he's dropped the pass.
3. Andre Carter is as unproductive as he was with his previous team. He's a cipher. Also, Archuleta is performing at the same (low) level he was at with the Rams. He's one of those guys known for his work ethic (he's physical fitness freak) but simply isn't a good football player.\
4. Yikes, the Redskins look bad.

Posted by: mart | September 19, 2006 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I think the calling for Campbell to start is reasonable after two games considering the fact that the team, as whole, looks downright horrible. Remember the start of last year anyone, the defense was stunning, Portis looked great, and who knew that we had such a great player in Santana Moss? Now, across the board the team stinks; they look the same, if not worse, than they did in preseason. Let's face it, this season has the potential to be a big washout. Even if we do make the playoffs, and I'm not going to be suprised if we somehow sneak our way in, we sure as heck aren't going very far. Let's play Campbell and reload for next year!

A couple of things we need:

1) QB: Either Campbell starts now and gets the jitters out of the way or if Gibbs really can't stand playing such a young qb, trade for yet another veteran.

2) Offensive Lineman: To win a superbowl, correct me if I'm wrong, but you have to have a stellar offensive line. These guys aren't the answer

3) Defense: Stop letting people like Smoot, Pierce etc. walk out the door. The D-Line looks like the French in WWII for pete's sake. People just run right over them. Draft and/or resign whoever it takes, LBs, CBs, and lineman. And ohya, cut that Archuletta guy :P.

4) A REAL kicker

Look, we NOT going to the superbowl or be a legitimate playoff team without those four things, at a minimum.

Posted by: Megskin | September 19, 2006 12:07 PM | Report abuse

J Man, Brunell needs to work a full game with 26. U Man is definately a game breaker, no direspect to Betts. 26 is a leader and he is such ashort threat, that it forces safeties to look off of our deep threats(they are there, we just haven't found them).

The O line has been VERY suspect particularly at tackle. i don't know if Jansen is thinking about the media stiff he's created relative to steroids, but I think he had 4 of the Sunday penalties. It's amazing to see the blocking given by some teams-- Jags, Vikings, Cowboys, and yet we can't. I know our line can play better. Again, I think 26 adds something the other backs don't.

Looking at Clark last night(he looks bigger), still makes me wonder what the Heck we were thinking about by letting him go and getting that stiff Ain'tchagonnaplaybettercoverageletta. Ryan Clark would have been a great Skin for life, and we would never have had to pay him 5mm a year. That excess could have been used somewhere else.

Andre Carter. An incredible phyisical speciman, but no football talent. Can't get by ANY Tackle. This is not Cal and the PAC-10 anymore. Makes you wonder why the 49'ers were playing him at linebacker.

Teams need to tackle on kickoffs. Too many starts from the 35 or better.

Give me more Sellers, Cooley pay attention, and Brandon quit your winin' cause the balls gonna start comin'.

Late.

Posted by: coolio | September 19, 2006 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Wow, so our personnel guys actually negotiated a trade with Denver for Duckett (who we don't use), which entails us swapping our first round picks if we finish the season with a worse record than Denver....a team that gets to play KC and Oakland twice.

Nice job guys, the worse our season is, the worse our picks will be. Really, with all the use we're getting out of Duckett....really, nice job.

Posted by: So SO bad | September 19, 2006 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Well this seems like another year with the skins. I cannot remember since 1991 when we won the SB did we have a fun season. The Redskins know how to make it hurt all year. They start off in preseason getting all the mission pieces, then we start the season with a bad injury, (see jansen, samules, portis, arrington.....) and our year is full of discomfort. They are slow out of the gate losing must win games, Lets face it our division games are must win, or they start hot and have a lead in the divison only to give it away. They make it close in the end only making or missing the playoffs in the last game or two. Besides when was the last GOOD QB did we have here anyway. Johnson was ok, but spurrier ruined him here, Trent Green cold have been the second comming of Sonny but we f'ed that up and let him leave, now he throws up 4 grand a year and 30 TDs. If you look at the teams that have won multiple superbowls they have one thing in common most used the same QB. Dallas has had 2 great QB's Pitt had 1, New England has a pretty good one, Denver as well, and San Fran had 2 of the best ever. UHHH we had 3 guys who fell off the face of teh earth afterwards. (ok Joe didn't fall off LT kicked his ass off) We should have gone after Brees, I mean we could have gotten a bargin giving him that 7 year 43 million dollar contract of brunell to Brees. I really hope we have a good year because the draft looks like it is going to suck this year, unless Brady Quinn is the next comming of "the JOE".(ok bad ND reference)

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2006 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I don't see how playing with Portis will help Brunnel throw the ball any better. I don't think this is situation where receivers are covered because other teams don't respect our run. Brunnel was skipping the ball to open receivers, suggesting to me that he just can't get it done anymore. Additionally, Campbell's mobility might be useful if the line is struggling to block blitzers.

Posted by: javier | September 19, 2006 12:17 PM | Report abuse

The O-line play has been atrocious. I can't believe with Bugel here and no significant injuries we are that porous. Does Saunders extensive playbook affect our blocking protection? Doubtful. Technique and desire seem non-existent.

Maybe Gibbs is holding off on dumping Brunell. Once he makes the switch, there should not be any flip-flopping back. Looking at the schedule, it appears easier to put the kid in later. It is less complicated if we are sitting on four or five losses and seemingly out of the playoff race.

Posted by: Kevin K | September 19, 2006 12:40 PM | Report abuse

.... at least we ain't talking about Hall this week ...

Posted by: X.Hog | September 19, 2006 12:49 PM | Report abuse

> ... at least we ain't talking about Hall this week ...

Nope, that's on the schedule for next week....again!

Posted by: Megskin | September 19, 2006 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I'll echo what has already been said, Offense - no blocking for run or pass, inability to get the ball to receivers when open - QB
Defense - porous against the run, no pass rush, questionable secondary coverage.

A lot of the skins problems can be solved by getting the Offense in gear. Too many 3 and outs makes for a wore out defense. Turn over in the red zone against the cowboys, 99 yards in 3 minutes by the cowboys, tell me the D wasnt totally demoralized.

If installing Saunders Offense is gonna take 6 weeks in the regular season, bringing him in was a mistake. We go 0-4 to start the season, bring in Campbell, not before.

Posted by: SkinsFan44 | September 19, 2006 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Jason,
I can't believe your buddy Maske is defending Andre Carter: "I would put the onus on Gregg Williams and the coaching staff to use him in a way that he can get to the quarterback. "

You have got to be kidding me!

The guy couldn't beat the one blocker he was stacked up against ALL night. And it's not like Bledsoe has a 3-drop quick release ala Dan Marino or Steve Young's feet, most of the time he just stood back there like he was puffing on a cigar between throws.

What more does the guy need, an unimpeded path the QB? If that were the case, then my dead Granpa could sack Bledsoe.

Posted by: Megskin | September 19, 2006 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Nation. Welcome to our daily therapy session. You're okay, we're okay ... and isn't it possible the Redskins will be okay, too? Isn't this the kind of situation in which Joe Gibbs thrives as a coacah? I mean, from 5-6 to 5-0 happened less than a year ago. Of course, that could have been a fluke.

Posted by: Jason's editor | September 19, 2006 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I think that 5-0 delusional run last year is what got us into this mess in the first place :(

Posted by: Megskin | September 19, 2006 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Don't you think that we should get Jason Campbell's feet wet in week 3 against Houston before Brunell stinks again, we lose, and THEN insert Campbell to get SMASHED week 4 against Jacksonville's great defense? Start him in week 3.

Posted by: Jeff | September 19, 2006 1:27 PM | Report abuse

My concern with NOT starting Campbell now is this scenario: we win at houston, Brunell makes a couple of nice passes, Portis goes over 100 yards, Redskin Nation is happy, everyone forgets about the last two weeks. The week after we lose because of the damn kicker(we all know that is coming), Brunell looks bad for one quarter but we cover up having Portis run himself into the ground. The week after that we barely scrape by on a defensive play interception returned for a touchdown, Brunell makes some passes but generally looks rather weak. The week after that he is back to being HORRIBLE for at least three more weeks before he snaps out of it. All of this is time wasted where we could have Campbell in there at least getting used to getting knocked on his rear.

Let's be honest, let's stop lying to ourselves: Brunell should have retired the first year he got here when he found out he didn't have anything left. Honestly, what pro-QB consistently skips passes off the turf?

We are just dragging it out at this point. It's like a bad joke that keeps on going and going and going. The press here in Washington, right along with the coaching staff, can keep blathering on about giving him more time but it seems pretty obvious to the fans, and everyone else around the country, that Brunell was finished a long time ago.

Posted by: Megskin | September 19, 2006 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I feel sorry for the redskin players. many of the players that were already on the team probably are making a lot less than the high salary given to the free agents that were brought in. I believe that you are getting a lack=luster performance from some players because they are unhappy. The treatment of former players like Ramsey and Arrington that went to theJets and Giants should make some players concerned.

Posted by: jm2 | September 19, 2006 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I would love to see Frank Herzog back as the voice of the REDSKINS ... it harkens back to the days of old and he just seems so much more comfortable with Sonny and Sam. The 'Skins will be fine and by the time this season will be over, we'll all be looking at this horrendous start as "what the heck happened there?" We'll finish 12-4 or better, no doubts in my mind.

Posted by: BrashMan | September 19, 2006 1:54 PM | Report abuse

everybody needs to chill, The Vikings are a very good team, they will give the Bears a battle this week and the 'Boys at home are tough. We get Springs and Portis back we'll be fine, I seem to recall an article a few weeks ago that said it took KC about 4 weeks into the first season to get going with this offense, we'll get there. We need to worry about the O line more than the QB

Posted by: Dale | September 19, 2006 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Can someone give me some of the Kool-Aid the coaching staff and players drink at the end of every game. We all see dismal performance week after week, balls skipping on the turf, laterals that gain a yard and a half, etc. It never fails that in the post game comments we are treated to more discussion about the character of these guys and how it all starts with gibbs, etc...

They need to wake up and realize that they are not a good football team; even the vaunted defense can't stop anybody on 3rd down and if the off chance occurs and they do you can count on sean Taylor to be good for 2-3 personal fouls a game.

The Redskins over pay for has beens and and now have nothing to show for it. What Collins making this year? Campbell? Brunell? Is it safe to say they have 5-7 mil invested in quarterback yet no one wants to make a change for fear we'll get worse? What will happen; someone else will astonish us with 61 yards passing? This is a newsflash; this is professional football, adapt to the situation and perform. How about some of that character showing up with some downfield passing.

Posted by: Bob | September 19, 2006 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Megskin, enough of your harping on John Hall. Kicker is the least of concerns right now. Bringing in Campbell against Jacksonville next week would be a disaster, then the Giants...yeah right. Bram sounds like he has balls in his mouth, nice diction. Larry Michael is awful, his head is buried up Synder's backside, they both blow. Herzog was awesome.

Posted by: Kevin K | September 19, 2006 2:30 PM | Report abuse

As a Niner fan, I was surprised to see the 'Skins using starters from last year's terrible Niner defense. You remember, the defense that gave up 52 to the 'Skins last year. Mike Rumph and Andre Carter were both 1st round draft choices, but never played up to their billing. However, I love seeing Walt Harris flying around for us this year. After two games, he has 12 solo tackles, five passes defended, one sack, one forced fumble and one fumble recovered. Thanks for him. Hope we can help you guys out this week vs the Eagles.

Posted by: nomaD | September 19, 2006 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I've been a Redskins fan for over 35 years and wouldn't trade this team for the WORLD. I must say that it's time that Joe Gibbs and Dan Synder get with the program and admit that Mark B is DONE in the NFL. He doesn't possess the arm strength to make the throws all NFL QBs have to make. Yeah, the protection could be better, but when he does get protection he is still skipping passes off the turf or overthrowing (almost into the stands) them. He can't throw the inside passes because he can't put the zip required to complete them. I know Jason Campbell is inexperienced and young but he has the tools needed to make our passing game go. Why did Joe Gibbs give up so much to acquire Campbell if he needed three years to get onto the field? It's time for everyone to face the reality that Mark Burnell is DONE as a NFL QB and it's not going to change even if he throws for 400 yards against Houston, because they are no where near the defenses of the Eagles, Giants, Jags or others to come. I think this week would be the best opportunity to see exactly what Jason Campbell brings to the table. We know EXACTLY what Burnell brings.

Posted by: RealisticSkinsFan | September 19, 2006 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I echo the thoughts of earlier. I hate to say it, but the season looks pretty bad right now. And even if they were to beat Houston this week.................so what? The Texans are awful. I foresee a mirage.......where they are delusional yet again..........just like with last year where the coaching staff and front office thought this team was better than it is. The sooner you get Campbell in........to see whether he will be the "qb of the future" or if they made yet another blunder.....spent too much on a guy who shouldn't have been a first round pick. I hope he is all they think he can be. If not, pull the plug and go find somebody who can play. But this Texan game means nothing. Neither will the Titans game. Now if they lose both of those.....the season is officially over and Campbell musttttttt be put in.

Posted by: Jurgensen09 | September 19, 2006 3:05 PM | Report abuse

folks, let's chill out, ok? the Redskins will come back, I guarantee you that. You folks are the meanest fans there is...you don't know what kind of damage you're inflicting on our team...you're hurting their morale...they're good players, they just need "some" backing from the fans. They're criticized for every itty thing...you can't do that...Now, we'll keep Brunnell...he's our man...we'll stay the course. Remember, we have a hall of fame coach, has ever body forgotten that? end of story.

Posted by: altobelli | September 19, 2006 3:12 PM | Report abuse

One TD by the starting offence in 6 yes 6 weeks. That sounds like the Raiders offence. Hell San Fran loses 2 starting lineman and still puts up more points then the skins. Maybe with the realization of the Jags stomping the skins they will see the clarity of the facts that they too should make way for a young QB and sit Brunell on the bench. They made that decision 4 years ago. For those of you who say give him a chance to QB with Portis seem to forget the past 2 years when he's struggled mightily, when he had Portis. Of course the blame went to not having another receiver last year. Well they fixed that problem yet still the passing game struggles. So it must be the offensive line this year. No the problem is never Brunell.

Still say the preseason doesn't matter? I'm tired of the spin, this team stinks.

Posted by: DC | September 19, 2006 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Looking at all of the personell moves the 'Skins have made since Gibbs has been back makes me realize now why Jack Kent Cooke never turned over complete authority to Gibbs. Back when Bobby Bethard and Charley Casserly were the GMs they made some decent to great personell decisions, some of which Gibbs was soundly against. Now that Gibbs has complete control of those decisions we are seeing the chaotic results. I didn't know the specifics of the Duckett trade until I read the article from the Denver Post (link above) and I am absolutely shocked that we made that trade. It makes absolutely no sense because we really can't go to Campbell this year because of that trade. We have to try to beat Denver in the standings or we stand to lose out big in the draft. But then again it's not like the current staff has made many decent draft picks in the last few years. I love Joe Gibbs, he brought some of the happiest sporting moments of my life when I was a teen back in the '80s. However, I am starting to think that he is not the answer when it comes to a GM. What we really need is for Danny to hire a proven kick ass GM and either put Gibbs back in as head coach or turn over the reigns completely to either Saunders or Williams and keep Gibbs as team president or whatever with very little authority over personell moves.

That being said, I think we should be extremely happy as 'Skins fans if they go 8-8 or better this year. I think the playoffs (just like last year) are a pipedream and lightning very rarely strikes twice in the same place.

Posted by: Mucus Membrane | September 19, 2006 3:29 PM | Report abuse

For any of the sensitive types, f-off. Altobelli, does your peabrain believe our collective venting is read by or acknowledged by the players or coaches? They know the drill, get bashed when they suck, and big lovefest when things are great. That's the way it is in this town. We are fickle, because we are used to success, endured managerial ineptiude before Gibbs came back, and hoped, just hoped, that when he came back, order would be restored. I think I speak for a lot of people when I say we are losing confidence in Gibbs almost as fast as we lose draft picks.

Posted by: Kevin K | September 19, 2006 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Larry Michael = Donkey, Frank Herzog = Skins Radio Bliss

You reading this Dan?

Posted by: SkinsFan44 | September 19, 2006 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Bravo Mucus! Well said. Great points on personnel issues. Talk about a kickass GM, there is one available right now, he lives in Annapolis actually. Famous for acquiring a guy named Brett Farve. That man is RON WOLF.

From what I remember, he was very interested in this job after he left the Packers. I also remember reading Wolf couldn't and wouldn't work someplace where he had to answer to some uninformed little militant owner, so that where that went. What a shame! Wolf could help us out a lot.

Posted by: Kevin K | September 19, 2006 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I read all the way down the chat and no one clarified what the heck an "L-Bag" is??!!??

Please clarify, or do I need to find a stewardess that speaks jive?

Posted by: help | September 19, 2006 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Hey Folks..

I'm no Football genius, but played Division 1 ball at Penn State (way before Arrington, I might add) so think I understand the game a little. And here's what I see: Brunell is "definately" struggling and I see it mostly due to his age and the beating he's endured over the years...as such, his passes have no zip, he's not able to scramble easily anymore, he certainly can't scramble and plant to throw and his reads are off...i.e he's not looking off to 3rd and 4th receivers like Lloyd & Cooley. So a change needs to be made now, for this Houston game, so that JC isn't facing a daunting defense in his 1st NFL start. Secondly, where has our defense from last year gone.. I know that the ineptness of the offense (too many 3 and outs already) has put a real drain on them; but the d-line just has NOT made any impact on rushing the passer and if we continue to allow QBs the ability to stand in the pocket, eating a McDee's Happy Meal before throwing the ball, we won't win a single game this year. So, we must find a way, like Jimmy Johnson of the Eagles does, to send our Corners & Linebackers on blitzes consistently on 2nd or 3rd and long to make "big" plays in the backfield.

Go SKINs FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Skins4Life | September 19, 2006 3:57 PM | Report abuse

To quote Joe Gibbs - "Mark is like our offense in general, inconsistent. He has made some plays for us. It's a matter of getting in a groove. At the end of the game, he took us on a heck of a drive."

A-HA!! I get it now. If only we can get the opposing defense to play like it's garbage time and play prevent defense everytime Brunell & Co. step on the field, then Brunell should be the starting QB for the NFC in this year's pro bowl!!

Posted by: pef1964 | September 19, 2006 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Mark Brunell should be given a chance to turn the ship around.I would like to see Mark with a little more fire...by the Giants game on the 8 th we'll know.. But I think we should be looking at Collins.. if Brunell really stinks it up in Houst or Jack. Give Collins a whirl..If Al Saunders has been billed by everybody in the league not just Joe Gibbs and Dan Snyder as "Brilliant" and he really believes in Collins...Why Not ... Than Jason Campbell can be put in for the inevitable break in period and gear toward next year if the wheels come off...

Posted by: Tina | September 19, 2006 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm not necessarily a big Mark Brunell fan, but I can't believe the amount of blame being heaped on him for the teams poor start. Brunell is not the mobile threat he used to be, and his passes aren't quite as sharp. But he is a smart and experienced QB, that did not commit any of the Personal Foul penalties, didn't grab any facemasks, and never moved before the snap. He isn't a half back, so he can't be blamed for the running game being flat. He hasn't blown a secondary coverage, missed a tackle or missed a kick. What he has done is run the plays called by the new Associate Head Coach, and spend an inordinate amount of time trying to evade a pass rush that seems to be getting a little too close a little too quickly these days.

Brunell has not played his best football, but benching him is not going to change the sloppy play of the rest of the team. I guess he is the easy target, but if we are to be really honest, the problem goes much deeper that the QB position.

Posted by: D-MAC | September 19, 2006 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Brunell has to go. He's not the only problem but he's the biggest. Its true that he doesn't turn over the ball a lot but he also doesn't give us a chance to win. I'd rather see Campbell out there learning the system and taking his lumps than have Brunell out there just trying to survive. As Jason said, Campbell needs to play at some point. If we don't give him a chance to play this season then we start this whole game of "not punting the season" next year.

Posted by: eriks | September 19, 2006 4:45 PM | Report abuse

It sounds like D-Mac has been drinking the Joe Gibbs Mark Brunell Defense Cool Aid. Everything on offense starts with the QB. He has had time to throw on many plays, but does not, or does not well, or throws it away. Brunell is finished, can't play, done. End of story.

Posted by: Stro | September 19, 2006 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Redskin Nation don't fool yourselves!
Years of Vinny Cerato have taken their toll. This time it may be too big of a hole to dig yourselves out of. No output out of your free agents pools spells big trouble! You have given all your draft picks away? How will we ever get better now. Better go pull ole Charlie Casserly out of moth balls and give Vinny the heave ho! Most teams build their reserves with years of 2nd, 3rd and 4th round choices. We got nothing to show for the Vinny years.
Seriously gang if a team invests as much as we have in Campbell you have to let him play. The NFL is a meritocracy. You only play as long as you can play! No free rides. Brunell just can't play anymore. It didn't happen overnight, just look at the Seattle game. Joe give us a break. Let Jason play.

Posted by: DMAN | September 19, 2006 4:56 PM | Report abuse

What has happened to the emotion on defense? It seems noone, not even Marcus washington, is fired up anymore. It's like they all know something that we don't. Maybe switching to a 3-4 defense might help.

Posted by: shantee | September 19, 2006 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Look Gang - its VERY simple - I know for a fact that Mark Brunell has increminating photos of Joe Gibbs and Danny Snyder in bed together...Why else would he refuse to make the change? Also we have no 1st round draft pick next year thanks to the brilliant Duckett move.

Posted by: kevin Ungerer @ MCM | September 19, 2006 5:02 PM | Report abuse

What about the offensive line? The QB can change every 20 minutes but without an efficient offense, even Joe Theismann would have a hard time. There's got to be protection for the QB no matter what. And get those high-priced players in there to PLAY ... not just collect their paychecks and look pretty on the sidelines. And what happened to trick plays, the old "Redskin blitz" and Joe Gibbs calling his own plays??? Don't spend money unnecessarily guys ... just get the job done. GO REDSKINS!

Posted by: outsider | September 19, 2006 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Hey DMAN... I totally hear what your saying. But Vinnie hasn't been in change of personell since Gibbs came back.... so there is some blame to share there.

Kevin K..... I forgot about Ron Wolf living in our back yard (and the events surrounding his departure from the Pack and why he wouldn't join the 'Skins). He would be exactly what we need!

help......... I have no idea what L-Bag is either.... I'm with you, someone help us out on that one :-)

Posted by: Mucus Membrane | September 19, 2006 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Ah, my dogs want to know what an L-Bag is. It is short for "Loser" but sounds much better when you call someone an L-bag, because it means they are both a loser and a d-bag.

The thing about Bram Weinstein which sets him apart from the other L-bags out there is that you KNOW that he strikes out with girls all the time. You can tell he puts on the full court press and doesn't get the hint that she's not interested...like the dude in the Verizon commercial. My buddy Roos thinks he never kissed a girl in the 90's.

At least Larry Michael does okay. He puts on that Tommy Bahama silk Palm Tree shirt, some Chic Hernandez slacks and someone is going to fall for it. What a chuch.

Booyakashot.

Posted by: The Governor | September 19, 2006 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Vinny doesn't do anything. He is a voicebox for Snyder. He gives his opinion when Snyder tells him what it is. This would explain why he couldn't stick with the 49ers AND ESPN.

But he gets a pass for the last 2.5 years. Gibbs has total autonomy over anything football related. Trading away picks, signing free agents, it all starts and stops with Gibbs.

Posted by: Kevin K | September 19, 2006 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I say we start Collins since he is considered the "expert" with this offense. Atleast then , we can verify that yes the O-line is that bad or yes Brunell just can't make quick/right decisions in this offense.

Posted by: deeznutz | September 19, 2006 5:40 PM | Report abuse

D-mac did you not watch the game on Sunday night?

The score was 17 -10 in the 3rd. The Defence busted it rear and was going after the football 2 plays in a row and then Sean Taylor forced a fumble. The offence got the ball around Dallas 35 their best field position of the game. Ten yard, even 7 or 8 yards your in decent field goal range. And what does Brunell do ??? Interception on one of the lamest passes I've ever seen. Why do you throw the ball away 6 or 7 times a game and when they are finally in good field position give the ball away like that? Hell Campbell can make plays like that.

That was the game changing play. And it was no ones vault other then the guy throwing the football.

Posted by: DC | September 19, 2006 5:46 PM | Report abuse

I was as shocked as anyone to find that link above and I had to post it. If true (and one has to believe it is), I just can't understand that logic at all.

Someone correct me if I am seeing this wrong, but there are two scenarios with the draft next year:

Scenario 1: Skins finish with better record than the Broncos....

Round 1: Skins get their normal pick based on their 2006 record
Round 2: Gone -- traded last year to get Rocky McIntosh
Round 3: Gone -- to Denver for the Duckett deal
Round 4: Gone -- to Denver for the Duckett deal
Round 4 (second pick): Gone -- to San Fran for the Lloyd deal

Scenario 2: Broncos end up with a better record than the Skins...

Round 1: Skins give their (higher) pick to the Broncos and get the Broncos pick in return
Round 2: Gone -- traded last year to get Rocky McIntosh
Round 3: Gone -- to Denver for the Duckett deal
Round 4: Gone -- to San Fran for the Lloyd deal

The thing I can't figure out is a) what the hell kind of logic is going on here? and b) do we have two fourth round picks to mortgage?

I wonder if our boys in the front office had so much faith in the Skins that they put up a 4th round pick that we don't even have knowing we would finish ahead of the Broncos.

I hate to keep coming back to the draft pick management thing, but it's bugging the hell out of me.

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | September 19, 2006 5:49 PM | Report abuse

To further prove my point on how little this franchise values the draft. When we got Brunell, we gave up a 3rd round pick...for a guy who was gonna get cut anyway, they had Leftwich ready to go. Then we send this past year's 1st round and another pick to get Campbell. Then the bombshell on Duckett. Looking toward next year, if our record is worse then Denver, they get our spot in the 1st round, we get their spot, but Denver would ALSO get a 3rd round pick. If our record is better than Denver, Denver only gets a 3rd AND a 4th round pick. Isn't this insane. This for a guy (Duckett), when given his one carry, last Sunday night, steps out of bounds, instead of lowering the boom on Roy Williams. What a waste. It is one thing to spend money and make moves, can't fault you for trying that. But now I see why so many people laugh and don't respect the Skins. What a joke.

Posted by: Kevin K | September 19, 2006 6:05 PM | Report abuse

hey altobelli, what's this "stay the course" crap? Then again, maybe your're on to something. Maybe Gibbs, like Bush, has an inability to recognize a disastrous mistake (resting your season on a washed up QB) and has no real options other than "stay the course".

Posted by: jakeweed | September 19, 2006 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Brunell is so toast it's horrifying. Don't you all feel bad for the guy, watching him struggle in every single aspect of the game? He cant do ANYTHING at this point. Why not start Campbell? Can someone tell me what would be worse? Is Campbell not capable of throwing for less than 100yds, no tds, and a pick? We are getting ZERO production at qb, putting Campbell in wouldnt hurt anything. Look how Farty is working Rivers into things out in SD. Run heavy offense without asking too much of the qb. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH A 14 YEAR VET AT THE HELM!

Campbell couldnt be worse than Brunell, because Mark is doing NOTHING.

The ONLY chance to avoid a losing season is benching Brunell NOW. That's all their is to it.

Posted by: SkinsLifer | September 19, 2006 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Tina, no offense, but have you seen Collins play??? The only reason he's here is to help explain the offense to Brunell (which doesn't seem to have worked yet) and Campbell (ditto, but we don't really know). Collins is NOT the guy we want taking the helm if Brunell is yanked. Just talk to fans in KC who dreaded the day that Trent Green got put out of the game.

Posted by: jakeweed | September 19, 2006 8:20 PM | Report abuse

D-mac, What a low bar you set for Brunell. Tell me this: Who was responsible for the biggest negative momentum changing play of the game, when after Sean Taylor forces a fumble and gives his team the ball in scoring position, down by only 7 points...well, you know where I'm going. That lame goose of a ball Brunell floated up in a perfect spot for the Cowboys safety to grab was a backbreaker.

Yeah, you're right, the Skins have lots of problems, not just at Quarterback. But that doesn't mean that that particularly huge, glaring problem should not be addressed.

Posted by: jakeweed | September 19, 2006 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of the low bar for Brunell....what is expected of him in a perfect scenario? 11-19 185yds, 1td, 0ints in a 24-19 win where Portis gains 135yds and the D is stellar.

That's how we won games last year. Everyone maxing out and Brunell just barely getting it done. That luxury is now gone- offense is a shambles and the D is shockingly porous. We need someone who can make plays at qb, this team cant win the way it did last year. If we wait for the defense to rise back to top tier and hope Portis is healthy all year so that Brunell can be in his "comfort" zone- THE SEASON IS DONE BEFORE IT STARTED.

There's no choice but to make the switch at qb, but Gibbs isnt going to do it. Ugh.

Posted by: SkinsLifer | September 19, 2006 9:25 PM | Report abuse

And speaking of the D, Archuletta and Carter are unadulterated BUSTS. Just two short weeks of game film makes it abundantly clear these two guys are complete garbage. Archuletta may be the worst signing of all time. $10mill guaranteed and he cant do anything but tackle people after they convert 3rd and long.

Carter couldnt speed rush past a one-legged Flozell Adams. That's just pathetic.

Both should be used on special teams and anyone else should start ahead of them. It's that bad.

Posted by: SkinsLifer | September 19, 2006 9:32 PM | Report abuse

KevinK
everyone has an opinion on the problems with the skins. have a little respect for your fellow posters

Posted by: skinfan | September 19, 2006 10:04 PM | Report abuse

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