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The Cutler Sweepstakes

Mark Maske handicaps the field of likely suitors for Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler now that Broncos owner Pat Bowlen has said he will seek to trade the quarterback.

His take on the Redskins' chances and interest:

Coach Jim Zorn said at the annual league meeting last week that the Redskins weren't among the teams pursuing a trade for Cutler. But that hasn't stopped the speculation linking the club to Cutler. Zorn also said that any NFL coach would have to contemplate the possibilities if the Broncos called and offered Cutler in a trade. One problem for the Redskins is that their options are limited because of a lack of draft picks. And it isn't like Jason Campbell played poorly in his first year with Zorn. It says here that the Redskins trading for Cutler is a long shot, but they're included on the list because so many others are convinced they'll be a factor in this.

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But then this form SI TnR

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It's clear now that the Jay Cutler era in Denver is over. So let the speculation begin. Who should be the new Broncos' quarterback? Plenty of teams have already expressed interest in acquiring Cutler to be their quarterback -- though teams like Detroit, Tampa, Chicago, the New York Jets and Minnesota don't offer very attractive straight-up trade options, unless Josh McDaniels & Co. decide they are happy with Chris Simms as the starter. The Redskins might have the most attractive QB-for-QB offer, if they are interested in dealing Jason Campbell and a first-round pick for Cutler. That leaves the possibility of another three-way trade (much like the New England-Tampa-Denver talks that started this whole fiasco in the first place). Maybe a team like Cleveland or Arizona, who have multiple starting-caliber quarterbacks, would like to get involved.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 1, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

please no

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 1, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Aaron Maybin - round 1. 6-4 252 lbs

or

Cody Brown - round 3. 6-2 244 lbs

Both would fit the bill at OLB.

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 1, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

This may have already made the blog but I figured I'd post it just in case. My sources (the internets) have indicated that the Giants' schedule was leaked. If it is indeed the correct schedule, here's when they play the 'Skins:

Sunday, 10/4 1:00 PM ET FOX @Washington

Sunday, 12/6 1:00 PM ET FOX Washington

Posted by: countystyle | April 1, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

If I was Detroit, I would offer the 2nd round pick (33rd overall) for Cutler, then draft an OT with the 1st pick. It would serve Cutler right to go to a loser like Detroit after crying like a Bytch.

Posted by: Wemiss21 | April 1, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

...if they are interested in dealing Jason Campbell and a first-round pick for Cutler...

Denver should be offering Cutler and picks to teams, not the other way around.

Peter King keeping the Redskins out of Cutler speculation is worrisome. Can anyone recall if King was saying the Redskins would be involved in Cutler last month?

What about Haynesworth? I think King said that Haynesworth would be a skin?

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 1, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Cutler will end up in Cleveland.
Brady Quinn is the new Broncos QB.

Posted by: isnadd | April 1, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Here is my trade scenario.... TB has the 17th pick we have the 13th and JC, Denver has Cutler.

We send 13 and JC to Denver and they can they send 12 to TB, and Cutler to us, TB sends 17 to us....

Probably not possible, but i would take it, i guess

Posted by: Zeebs | April 1, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Make that the 19th pick

Posted by: Zeebs | April 1, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I can't see Detroit being part of this. If you're the new coach, don't you want to pick your own young new guys, to groom. I mean with the #1, and the #20, and the #33 you have a good chance to make a big splash, and really put your mark on the team. Unless that is the Redskins call on draft day, looking to make a deal....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 1, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Really JLC? That's all you have. There is quiet talk of the Redskins trading for a new starting QB and all you have is a cut and paste blurb from another Post writer? This should be your thing! The Redskins trading away more picks, making bad FO moves, changing things up. You normally eat this stuff up and somehow turn it into how terrible the 'Skins are and how awesome every other team in the league is. Tell us something that an 'Insider' would know, please. Tighten up JLC

Posted by: sidkid31 | April 1, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I just don't think the Skins will be able to pull it off unless they bet the farm. Too many holes to fill and too little draft picks. I've said it before though, the idea is intriguing..

Posted by: ga8085 | April 1, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I don't think we got the pieces for a deal like that.....

Posted by: hillb03 | April 1, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I swear, if idiot boy Dan Snyder trades JC and our 13th pick for this whiny biotch I'm going to loss it

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 1, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Took only a few posts for the typical JLC haters to come out.

They didn't even see who posts these most of the time. What tools.

The ROI for a guy like Cutler would probably be pretty low. What it would cost vs. what you get just isn't worth it. Plus, this team isn't better QB play away from anything huge. They need better OL play, better DL play, better WR play mostly.

Posted by: EckertA | April 1, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

John Jansen for Cutler Straight Up

Posted by: isnadd | April 1, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Really JLC?
Posted by: sidkid31

Lighten up Francis. That was Cindy who posted it, and you don't mess with Cindy...or the Zohan.

I actually respect Jasno for waiting until he has something confirmed before reporting it. Unfortunately it's usually still negative, slanted, and factually incorrect...but that's another story.

Posted by: isnadd | April 1, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

does anyone know the salary cap implications of this if it were to happen?

i personally dont think this will happen because giving up the 13th pick with the amount of needs we have would be idiotic.

Posted by: MondoTE11 | April 1, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Swhishm for Cutler

Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

The Cutler Sweepstakes?

Like Cutler is a prize or heralded by every other team?

No, he's not.

Well, maybe if you're Det, Minn, TB, Chi-town, Oak, or Miami, then he is.

If you just don't understand the concept of allowing your investments to come to fruition, like Danny S, then you should learn how.

In JC17 I trust.
DThomas for breakout season in 09!

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 1, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Jay Cutler is Jeff George part 2. Egotistical and a cry baby. He has talent, but with our OL he would be on his a$$ most of the 09 season. And to think we'd give our starting QB and our only first round pick is retarded. I think he ends up in Detroit or Cleveland.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 1, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

What would GIbbs 1.0 do?

I think he would go after Cutler....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 10:37 AM

I dunno. Saint Joe never really had anything approaching a "Franchise" QB, aside from the one he inherited, Joey T.

What he DID do is let Beatherd draft him and sign him some quality linemen and a decent RB and a good defense and a few Smurfs.

And Joe isn't making he call--Danny is. And danny would probably send Campbell AND the first rounder to Denver for Mr. Sensitive. With that leaky line, more than his ego would get bruised in DC.


Posted by: TheCork | April 1, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I don't know what you guys are worried about. It's not like Denver has ever fleeced us in a trade before

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 1, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

For the record I don't want Cutler....but people saying he isn't valued are straight tard. There will be a bidding war due to the amount of teams that need a QB upgrade. Even when they announce he is getting traded the Broncos have leverage here and will get a good return. All this "he sucks/crybaby" talk is silly at best.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 1, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Greg. Don't forget no one will pull the trade without Cutler agreeing to a new deal. Who thinks Cutler is going to want to go to Detroit?

Posted by: Gweez | April 1, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Oh and Cutler will be a Jet. Book it. Been saying it for a month.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 1, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Etrod;

you bring up something I have wondered... was that a bad trade? Denver never replaced Portis, lock down CB's have been rendered ineffective because of rule changes.

yes the 2nd rounder was much, but we would have just wasted it most likely.

I say we got the better of the trade. the subsequent salary increases aside...

Posted by: Zeebs | April 1, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Anyone seen the Malcolm Kelly freestyle on YouTube? He's pretty good.

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 1, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

THIS WAS AN AMUSING POST FROM AN OLD THREAD FROM LAST YEAR....

"it will make sense next year to fire them and hire Bill "The Jaw" Cowher"

I believe that this would have been the case no matter who he hired. Remember, no assistant coach (save, perhaps, Zorn or Blache) have more than a 2 year deal remaining. It would be easy for "Mr." Snyder to clean house next year or the year after.

All NFL jobs have an inordinate amount of pressure associated with them, and NFL head coaches bear a ton of that pressure on their shoulders. Add the Snyder Factor to the equation, and, well, that's a lot of pressure. Even barno would crack.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 7, 2008 12:22 PM

It's amusing to read comments like these. It's just amazing to see that some people actually believe that Dan Snyder has spent all of this time, countless hours over the past month, putting all these pieces together on his coaching staff, interviewing countless candidates and advisers into the wee hours of the night, then re-interviewing many of them--some as many as 4 times--all so he can break it all up a year from now. Yeah, I'm sure that's his plan. You've figured him out, Puffy.

Like I said...there are some intellectual lightweights among us.

Posted by: barno | February 7, 2008 12:38 PM

barno, I can assure you, I am not an intellectual lightweight.

I stand by my assertion. If Fassel goes 8-8 or worse, this thing will get blown up again.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 7, 2008 12:42 PM

Posted by: Barno1 | April 1, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I miss P Diddy....

Posted by: chrislarry | April 1, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

"The Cutler Sweepstakes?

Like Cutler is a prize or heralded by every other team?

No, he's not. Well, maybe if you're Det, Minn, TB, Chi-town, Oak, or Miami, then he is."

Or Cleveland, NY Jets, Carolina, San Francisco, Tennessee, Houston, St. Louis, Seattle, or Buffalo.

Posted by: psps23 | April 1, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I miss Biggie more.

Posted by: countystyle | April 1, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I caught most of the first Dallas/Redskin game last year on NFL network a few days ago. Anyone else?

It was amazing. A fresh uninjured line. A fresh uninjured Portis, Campbell throwing lasers to fresh, uninjured receivers. A beeeutiful sight to behold.

Anyone ready to dismiss Campbell should revisit his performances in the first half of last season. Given proper tools, the man can play.

Ah, there's the rub...

Posted by: TheCork | April 1, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

CL,
You can always communicate with P via Facebook like the rest of the old guard Hampers.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Why do certain posters continually heap praise and loyalty on Jason Campbell? What has he done? Did we make the playoffs with him? No! We were on the outside looking in, until TC took us there with steady QB play. He made quick decisions ( something JC cannot do) and accurate throws (again something JC cannot do). I am not saying Cutler is great, but come on, he is certainly a massive upgrade on JC. For all his greatness, Gibbs was never, ever, ever, a good personnel man. His picks were pretty bad 1.0 and almost as bad 2.0 (taylor is the exception and the jury is out on CR he had one good half of a season). How long must we hold onto the desmond howards, bobby wilsons, Tom carters, Jason Campbells because Saint Joe picked them?

Posted by: bestpilotonearth | April 1, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

i did see that cork, and thought the exact same thing. O line plus predicatble play calling sunk us last year.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 1, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I saw it too Corky.

And what I got from it was:

* Even then, Portis gained all his yardage on the Left Side of the OLine.

* Jon Jansen even sucked in the 1st half. Alot of missed assignments on pass pro and run blocking.

* JC17 thinks Santana is 6' 4", but he did get the ball to him, though....

* CP26 is a beast.

So, all we need to do is bring back Heyer at RT and we're good......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

i like campbell but i do think the jury is still out on him, but if you look at how the team played in the 2nd half of the season last year it was too predictable of an offense and the line play was horrendous. i'm not sure whether or not campbell can thrive with a healthy young oline and with some bigger receivers but after another offseason in this system maybe it'll click. if we dont see an improvement after a few games this year maybe we look to colt for a spark. i also hate how everyone talks about how campbell never took chances downfeild but if you look at the play calling it never sent more than 1 guy deep and it was either thrash or moss and thrash aint getting open and moss was double teamed. this year has to be a combination of better line play along with better play calling and then we can see if campbell is the guy.

Posted by: MondoTE11 | April 1, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Why do certain posters continually heap praise and loyalty on Jason Campbell? What has he done? Did we make the playoffs with him? No! We were on the outside looking in, until TC took us there with steady QB play. He made quick decisions ( something JC cannot do) and accurate throws (again something JC cannot do). I am not saying Cutler is great, but come on, he is certainly a massive upgrade on JC. For all his greatness, Gibbs was never, ever, ever, a good personnel man. His picks were pretty bad 1.0 and almost as bad 2.0 (taylor is the exception and the jury is out on CR he had one good half of a season). How long must we hold onto the desmond howards, bobby wilsons, Tom carters, Jason Campbells because Saint Joe picked them?

Posted by: bestpilotonearth | April 1, 2009 12:07 PM

You may be the best pilot on earth but you've got the dumbest entry of the day...first of all, Gibbs didn't pick any of the guys you listed. He had a GM here in the 1.0 days and that organization had more hits than misses. Secondly, right or wrong JC needs to play out his contract...this team saw enough in him to give up multiple draft choices to move up to take him so they owe it to themselves to give him every opportunity to succeed so they don't add that move to the other boneheaded multi-draft-pick failures of the Snyder era (especially on the heels of the one-and-done Jason Taylor experiment).

JC is a likable guy and hasn't really been given a full opportunity in my opinion. Give him a team around him and THEN judge.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 1, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Alex,

Looking back, I think the trade is a wash. Denver should definately have gotten the better of us but since they failed to put together a front 7 of consequence, Champ has been rendered ineffective. The 2nd round pick still chaps my a$$, though.

on a side note, I hate the term "Sweepstakes". It makes me think that Ed McMahon is going to show up at Redskins Park with a Jay Cutler fathead and a bunch of balloons (and then try to by southeast Jerome's gold teeth).

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 1, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Um, there is no story here. Nada. I for one am grateful that JLA does not have 4 posts of nonsense on this Jay Culter schpiel.

And that Denver Post tidbit talking about trading Campbell AND a 1st-round pick for Cutler is total lunacy.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT JAY FRIGGIN' CUTLER!

Wherever he lands, his numbers will dip significantly as he struggles to learn a brand new offense w/ brand new personnel; when the criticism comes we'll get to see the porcelain ego shattered once again. Then we'll see if the "sweepstakes" winners feel so lucky.

Posted by: p1funk | April 1, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

im hearing cutler AND shannohan to skins
fire zorn and send j campbell to denver

i don't even know if that is possible but sounds crazy
im not sure about that...i don't know cutler well
any thoughts on this trade?

Posted by: jj44skins | April 1, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

im hearing cutler AND shannohan to skins
fire zorn and send j campbell to denver

i don't even know if that is possible but sounds crazy
im not sure about that...i don't know cutler well
any thoughts on this trade?

Posted by: jj44skins | April 1, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

4th -

Heyer is a lousy run blocker. That's the area where Jansen was actually an improvement over him --which says a lot. Heyer is def. better in pass protection but in the run he stinks. We need a new right tackle.

I saw a mock draft (can't remember which and am too lazy to look it up) where they had us taking this cat from Illinios in the 3rd round. yous guys can hit the interwebs for more details.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 1, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

No way the Skins waste this season for Shanahan and Cutler.

The Cons outweigh the Pros at the end of the day.

The source from Denver is prob Jay's agent. When you include the Redskins, the price is always driven up.

As Chris Canty tried to do a month ago....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

This trade is doo doo. It will not happen. Who wants JC17 anyway? Is he that highly sought after? Journalists always put us in the mix cause it makes for a good story. Bottom line, Cleveland and Detroit all have more to offer.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 1, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

If Detroit could trade their first pick straight up for Cutler, then I think it would make sense for them to do it. Think about it. They have had some miserable drafts in the past and Cutler is more of a sure thing than any draft pick. Trading for Cutler is a safe way to go for first year GM Mayhew. He will instantly be annointed as being smarter than Millen.

People seem to believe Quinn will be traded to Denver, but I think this new coach in Denver believes he can build a better quarterback from scratch, so he will take Detroit's first pick (and possibly another lower round pick), draft Stafford, and Redskins fans can sleep easy at night knowing Vinny isn't playing fantasy football with the quarterback position.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 1, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

It isn't far fetched to think the Redskins could trade for Cutler.

1. The Redskins, unlike NY or Chicago, have a quarterback in Campbell to send back to Denver and he has a cap friendly number for 2009.

2. The Redskins pick at #13 is higher than any of the other teams in this discussion except the Lions.

3. If 2010 is an uncapped year the Redskins may be able to offer Cutler more money than anyone else in a potential restructured deal.

4. Cutler was running a close variant of the scheme that Zorn is trying to implement here and the transition would not be that drastic for the team or the player.

5. Cutler's age, 25, makes the deal worth a second #1 to the Redskins in 2010.

Potential franchise quarterbacks have only rarely been traded at this age in the NFL.

Denver screwed up big time in the offseason. Why McDaniels would try and trade for Cassel who is 27 and has only started ONE season and dump Cutler who is more physically talented, younger and has more starting experience is beyond me.

There are so many other areas of the Broncos team that needed a facelift, but quarterback was not one of them.

Posted by: leopard09 | April 1, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

whether Cutler is a whiner or not is of no consequence.

what i want is a little gunslinger in my QB. JC should have that but he has been over-coached not to turn the ball over.

JC is not the ideal fit for a WCO, I feel cutler would be a better fit. he had 4500 yards last season for a reason. If their team had a d or running game, they make the playoffs easily.

that said I think Campbell can do it. So as long as we dont give up too much (lol) I am comfy either way

Posted by: Zeebs | April 1, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

jason Campbell is a gunslinger.

Hey Zorn, use the shotgun a little bit more and allow Campbell to throw the ball deep!

No way Cutler has a stronger arm the Cambell! No way!

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 1, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

But Jansen was sucking at run blocking even when Portis was doing good.

To me, this shows me why RT is not as big a deal as RI makes it.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Why do certain posters continually heap praise and loyalty on Jason Campbell? What has he done? Did we make the playoffs with him? No! We were on the outside looking in, until TC took us there with steady QB play. He made quick decisions ( something JC cannot do) and accurate throws (again something JC cannot do). I am not saying Cutler is great, but come on, he is certainly a massive upgrade on JC.

Posted by: bestpilotonearth | April 1, 2009 12:07 PM

Exactly by what measure do adjudge Cutler to be a "massive" upgrade from JC17?

Cutler has not been to the playoffs, and he had 1 nice season in Denver - his 3rd consecutive year in the same offense with the same coaches in the lousy AFC West.

At this point JC17 knows more of the playbook and would be better educated at running Zorn's WCO than Cutler.

Accuracy? Cutler and JC17 had the same completion % this past year.

And please don't mistake common sense for "praise and loyalty". I'd simply like to see what JC17 can do when he gets to play in the same offense w/ the same coaches for more than one year. I don't know if Campbell is "the man", but it would be stupid to start over and sink $40mill into an unproven young QB who had one nice year in someone else's offense in a lousy conference.

Posted by: p1funk | April 1, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

I remember watching the Denver/Cleveland game last season - the first time I'd really watched Cutler play. He put up nearly 500 yards that game slinging it around to multiple receivers. He gets rid of the ball quickly - something Campbell doesn't do with consistently - so the OL issues are somewhat mitigated. I'm not saying I support a trade, but that kid's got serious talent.

Posted by: RambleOn | April 1, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Cutler is a big cry baby.Oh, I was mentioned in trade talks. I don't want to play anymore. Thank you but no Thank you. I rather have Campbell.

Posted by: Redskins001 | April 1, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

matt; i guess my def of gunslinger isnt cannon arm... its fitting throws into tight places, taking chances...

Posted by: Zeebs | April 1, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Just start Colt Brennan already!

Posted by: crazylegdesigns | April 1, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

JC is not the ideal fit for a WCO, I feel cutler would be a better fit. he had 4500 yards last season for a reason. If their team had a d or running game, they make the playoffs easily.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 1, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Cutler had 4500 yards BECAUSE their team had no D or running game.

Causal connections, people, causal connections...


Posted by: p1funk | April 1, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Cutler is a punk and a tool. Buyer beware.

Posted by: COskins | April 1, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I am of the opinion that if Cutler were to become a redskin, it would take nothing short of a very strong playoff showing for Zorn to be retained. Then Shanahan would would be brought in as the couach / GM and we would be then lose Vinny as well.

Just throwing that out there to bat around.

Posted by: rickmort | April 1, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

This whole thing will take a long time to pan out. It won't happen today, this weekend etc. Probably closer to the draft.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 1, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Some days I think the universe is just winding me up. Whoever planted it, the very notion that even an infinitesimally small possibility exists that the Redskins would trade Jason Campbell plus the #13 pick for Jay Cutler is infuriating. It's impossible, right? Tell me it's impossible.

Good grief.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 1, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Broncos are 13-1 when they gave up under 21 points with cutler.

The Washington Redskins gave up 21 points of fewer 10 times last year. In fact, they gave up more than 24 points just once last year. Add Albert Haynesworth to the lineup and it could well be a rare Sunday that a Washington opponent gets past the upper teens in scoring.

Posted by: FoneBooth | April 1, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

So, all we need to do is bring back Heyer at RT and we're good......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 12:11 PM


Wrong!

You will never have O line dominance by building with a guy like Heyer. Did you notice he couldn't get his job back from Jansen last year? You don't think the coaches pay attention to how guys are doing in practice? You don't think they are constantly evaluating these things?

Snap out of it. He's a good story for a UFA, serviceable as a pass blocker, but not dominant in anything he does. Great pick up for depth, but not a dominant lineman.

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

FYI, RI...The jerk-off Dallas cop who detained Ryan Moats has "resigned".

Posted by: 4-12 | April 1, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

The west coast offense values precision and execution above all. Why do we think a guy who threw 25 picks last year would be a guy we would want here?

He took only 11 sacs last year. That tells me he'd rather throw it up for grabs than make a smart play.

The NFC East match ups are typically games about line dominance and field position. Turn overs are toxic in that environment.

I'd rather build the O line and watch Campbell return to early season form last year when we were 6-2 with NO INT's.

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Ya'll are all crazy, give me Cutler over JC any day of the week and twice on Sunday, he's mobile with the best arm in the league and a quick release. Plus if the PFT story is true and we could get Shanahan too! That's winner winner chicken diner, upgrade at QB, Coach, and get rid of Vinny as Shanny would want to be GM too, go for it!

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 1, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Some days I think the universe is just winding me up. Whoever planted it, the very notion that even an infinitesimally small possibility exists that the Redskins would trade Jason Campbell plus the #13 pick for Jay Cutler is infuriating. It's impossible, right? Tell me it's impossible.

Good grief.

Posted by: NateinthePDX

Amen, Nate! We can only hope that it is IMPOSSIBLE!!!!

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 1, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Broncos are 13-1 when they gave up under 21 points with cutler.

The Washington Redskins gave up 21 points of fewer 10 times last year. In fact, they gave up more than 24 points just once last year. Add Albert Haynesworth to the lineup and it could well be a rare Sunday that a Washington opponent gets past the upper teens in scoring.

Posted by: FoneBooth | April 1, 2009 12:47 PM

The Skins had a QB last year that only threw 6 PICKS. Perhaps that little fact should be a part of your analysis. How do you think we would have faired throwing 25?

Cutler played the Raiders twice and KC twice, not the Giants, Philly or Dallas twice.

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Why must we always swirl the rumor mill?

Posted by: rickyroge | April 1, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Just remember: Eli was drafted by San Diego, Favre was drafted by Atlanta, Elway was drafted by Indianapolis.

All three were considered "whiners" as well. All three got shipped out for being "immature" and not compliant. All 3 boast big, shiny rings on their fingers.

Cutler's a simple guy. Things were going swimmingly when he felt secure under Shanahan. It would be foolish to disregard a player of his talent simply because of this situation.

Posted by: psps23 | April 1, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Zorn isn't in on the Cutler deal, if it also includes Shanahan. Think about it. Shanahan is going to want a role similar to Gibbs.

Perhaps the better way to think of the deal is this. The Skins sign Shanahan and Shanahan deals for Cutler. It won't happen in that order, but if Cutler comes here, its because Shanahan is also coming. There is a man behind the curtain.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Broncos are 13-1 when they gave up under 21 points with cutler.

Bronco's were 0 - 4 when Cutler threw 2 or more INT's last year. WINLESS

Aren't stats fun?

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

There another "Insider" blog? I'd like to get free of these armchair GM idiots who are calling for Cutler.

Some of us just cannot be patient with one QB and one system. Campbell may prove at the end of the year that he's not the man, but let's not make Jay Cutler Brett Favre.

I don't want Cutler since he whines like a little beeyotch!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 1, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

psps23 I will give you Elway and Farve. But Eli!! You got to be joking!! The only reason he has a ring is due to that D. Name one game that Eli played outstanding when the D sucked.

JM20

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 1, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

psps23 I will give you Elway and Farve. But Eli!! You got to be joking!! The only reason he has a ring is due to that D. Name one game that Eli played outstanding when the D sucked.

JM20

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 1, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

psps23 I will give you Elway and Farve. But Eli!! You got to be joking!! The only reason he has a ring is due to that D. Name one game that Eli played outstanding when the D sucked.

JM20

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 1, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 1, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Vinny C. for Cutler. Straight up

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | April 1, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I don't remember Brett Favre "whining" to get out of Atlanta.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 1, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Vinny C. for Cutler. Straight up

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | April 1, 2009 1:09 PM |


Awesome! ROTFL

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

"Broncos are 13-1 when they gave up under 21 points with cutler.

Bronco's were 0 - 4 when Cutler threw 2 or more INT's last year. WINLESS

Aren't stats fun?"

Love it.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 1, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I will say that to this day I still think Elway and Eli are both a couple of arrogant pu$$es stating that they simply would not play for the teams that drafted them.....They both considered themselves "above" the process....at least Elway could have played baseball. For Eli it was supposedly because he could get more endorsements in NY....what a dbag. Can you imagine being a GM/owner/fan when you get the #1 pick in the draft and he says he WILL NOT PLAY for your team? That would enrage me.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 1, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

The Skins had a QB last year that only threw 6 PICKS. Perhaps that little fact should be a part of your analysis. How do you think we would have faired throwing 25?

Cutler played the Raiders twice and KC twice, not the Giants, Philly or Dallas twice.

Posted by: edvar

Good point.

The top 5 defenses were
Pitt, Baltimore, jints, Skins, iggles.

Skins played 6 games vs the top 5 defenses. For Campbell to have only 6 picks is impressive. 5 of his 6 picks came against these top 5 teams. In 10 games against defenses that weren't top 5, Campbell threw 1 pick.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Well JM, I'm pretty sure the Giants are completely satisfied with Eli right now, and Eli with the Giants. Just pointing out that just because you were once seen as a whiner doesn't mean you will always be seen as a whiner. All it takes is the right situation.

Posted by: psps23 | April 1, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Guys calm down... I don't think it will happen for a few reasons. For one, JC is in the last year of a contract. The deal would probably require that he comes to terms with an extention prior. Also, from what I understand, Zorn is an extremely honest guy. He once told his wife (who was his girlfriend at the time) that her breath stank when they were on a romantic boat ride. I know it isn't his decision, but I believe him when he says he isn't interested.

Posted by: moosepod | April 1, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

The only teams that should be in the market for Cutler are teams who have no QB and are reduced to trading for a first-rate thumbsucker.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 1, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

For anyone thinking Cutler is even the slightest upgrade over JC17 remember this:

In Denver (average): 281.5 carries, 1549.5 yards, (5.5 yd/carry), 14.5 TDs

For Skins: 297.8 carries, 1220.6 yards, (4.09 yd/carry), 8.6 TDs.


Everyone looks better playing behind the Broncos O-line in the AFC Less.

Cutler will not put up the same numbers against the Gint, Iggles, & Cowpies. He'll be running for his life and throwing INTs.

By the way, last year:
Cutler had 57 carries for 200 yards.
JC17 had 47 carries for 258 yards.

Cutler will have to run better than that when the O-line is collapsing against the Gints twice a year. He won't last a season.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

"For Eli it was supposedly because he could get more endorsements in NY....what a dbag. Can you imagine being a GM/owner/fan when you get the #1 pick in the draft and he says he WILL NOT PLAY for your team? That would enrage me....."

What sucks even more is he got a Super Bowl ring for acting like that.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 1, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, those averages I quoted were Portis' rushing averages...

Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Cork, I watched the game on Sunday evening, that offense put a smile on my face. Moss was running wild, JC stepping up in the pocket and avoiding the falling down Jansen who was attemping to pass block, CP was running good, the defense was playing well.

How many times were they just THIS close to a sack?? Man that was frustrating...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 1, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

"I don't remember Brett Favre "whining" to get out of Atlanta.....

Posted by: dlhaze1"

Maybe not, but he was regarded as immature, arrogant, and headstrong -- and Glanville wasn't too high on Mr. Favre. Glanville was quoted as saying it would take a plane crash for him to put the rookie into the game. And Favre most certainly did work his way out of Green Bay.

Posted by: psps23 | April 1, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

FYI, RI...The jerk-off Dallas cop who detained Ryan Moats has "resigned".

Posted by: 4-12 | April 1, 2009 12:51 PM

How many years did he get in the deal?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I sure hope this happens. Let's face the facts -- yes, Jason Campbell did have a decent first year under Jim Zorn; HOWEVER, everyone has to face the fact that JC is NOT THE SECOND COMING OF DOUG WILLIAMS (I'm not every sure he has ProBowl level talent); Cutler is a ProBowl QB and he has excelled in the West Coast system. This is another deal like Champ Bailey for Clinton Portis. No question Champ was an amazing corner (and I'm not sure the Redskins ever truly replaced him), but Portis has been the difference maker on the team for the past four years. If you subtract the number of TDs Portis had to win games, this team wouldn't be anywhere.

It wouldn't necessarily be a slap to Campbell, it's just an amazing opportunity to make an immediate upgrade at the QB position. How many overthrows/underthrows did Campbell make last year that Cutler would not have made. How many incrementally better decisions did Cutler make that Campbell would never have.

The Skins have to make this happen, otherwise what was the point of spending all of that cash on Haynesworth if you don't think you have a QB that can make a run in the playoffs. Jason Campbell is not going to lead you through the playoffs.

Posted by: blackmanhl | April 1, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

psps23 I will give you Elway and Farve. But Eli!! You got to be joking!! The only reason he has a ring is due to that D. Name one game that Eli played outstanding when the D sucked.

JM20

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 1, 2009 1:05 PM

That's right. And Favre got his ring due to Desmond Howard.

And Elway wasn't draft by Indy. They didn't have a team back then. It was Bmore....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse


The Winner in all of this is Chris Sims. He deserves another shot at starting.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

The Skins have to make this happen, otherwise what was the point of spending all of that cash on Haynesworth if you don't think you have a QB that can make a run in the playoffs. Jason Campbell is not going to lead you through the playoffs.

Posted by: blackmanhl | April 1, 2009 1:29 PM |

Based on WHAT?

Do you plan on backing any of this up? Cutler hasn't won a dammm thing, he's wreckless with the football, and has a fragile ego.

"Not the second coming of Doug Williams?" What kind of a stupid statement is that? And when did Doug Williams become the benchmark?

Wow...

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

blackmanhl,

That's a bold statement, 'Jason Campbell is not going to lead you through the playoffs.'

Bold and presumptuous.

"If you subtract the number of TDs Portis had to win games, this team wouldn't be anywhere.

I believe you forgot to mention the beast that is our defense; without it, this team would be worse off.

"How many incrementally better decisions did Cutler make that Campbell would never have.

That's easy. Cutler made 12 more bad decisions than Campbell did.

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 1, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

This is beyond ridiculous. If it were a straight up trade... ok. But if we had to give up a draft pick as well then I say no deal. Remember, decisions also include INTs which the Soup had only 6. Cutler had 25. How many times did Campbell turn a 3 yard sack into a 6 yard scramble? He did not turn the ball over. Guess what, Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer both won Super Bowls riding an excellent defense and a good running game. Campbell is fine. All he really needs is some fire in his belly.

Also, name one O.C. that he had that did not have an anemic offense? Gibbs 2.0 = anemic. Gibbs/Saunders= futile, contradictory, and anemic. Zorn, year 1= anemic. Give him this year at least. He is in the last year of his contract. Let's see what some continuity can do. Let his young receivers get in there and give him the freedom. If it doesn't work out, we can move on to the next experiment.

Posted by: moosepod | April 1, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Anyone here who posts that Cutler would not be an upgrade over Jason Campbell has never seen Cutler play. Yeah, Cutler played worse opponents, but that loss record was due in most part to the Broncos 30th ranked defense. He has a quick release and is most dangerous when he rolls out of the pocket. Both are Campbell's weak points that are probably never going to get resolved unless they also trade the Denver O-line. This might not be a possible deal, anyway, but I can't believe anyone here would rather have Campbell. He's a nice guy, he's just not going to lead the Redskins anywhere...he's a solid backup. Sorry.

Posted by: aparks07 | April 1, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 1, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

aparks07,

You will be sorry when JC17 outshines Cutler this year.

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 1, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

psps23 I will give you Elway and Farve. But Eli!! You got to be joking!! The only reason he has a ring is due to that D. Name one game that Eli played outstanding when the D sucked.

JM20

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 1, 2009 1:05 PM

That's right. And Favre got his ring due to Desmond Howard.

And Elway wasn't draft by Indy. They didn't have a team back then. It was Bmore....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

And I will say it: Elway got his rings because of a monster named Davis. Want proof:

In his 8 postseason games, Davis had 204 carries for 1,140 yards and 12 touchdowns, along with 19 receptions for 131 yards. He had 7 straight playoff games wih 100+ yards.

Posted by: moosepod | April 1, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

"but that loss record was due in most part to the Broncos 30th ranked defense."

I was waiting for someone to post this drivel. Come on... what would Campbells record have been with an O line last year? These are pointless statements.

And if Denvers D sucked so bad, why did he continue to throw it up for grabs? When he threw 2 or more picks they lost EVERY TIME - that's 25 percent of their regular season games! Unrecoverable errors repeated time and again. Toxic. Speaks to his decision making/game management skills to me.

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

"What would GIbbs 1.0 do?

I think he would go after Cutler....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009"

Recently from Beathard; they could have had Elway but Joe decided against it. Fortunately, Rypien finally rose to the occasion.

Given that Joe himself hand picked JC, he would definitely just say no ... in fact if he were still here there would no rumors swirling involving the Redskins.

We do have a nit wit for an owner and a dolt for a VP of Player Personnel. JLC is just less than diplomatic about pointing that out.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Why is anyone riding the Jason Campbell bandwagon??

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 1, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

"but that loss record was due in most part to the Broncos 30th ranked defense."

And where do you think our defense would have ranked last year if Campbell had thrown 25 picks?

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone here who posts that Cutler would not be an upgrade over Jason Campbell has never seen Cutler play.
Posted by: aparks07 | April 1, 2009"

Statistics don't lie pal. The interceptions to TD ratio is poor in Cutler's case and superior in JC17's. JC's mobility, size are better.

Nope Cutler would end up being a DOWNGRADE.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

The only people I've ever heard say that Campbell was the real deal was Redskins fans on this blog and a few TV commentators who bragged about his play for a 4 game stretch last season. Everyone else in the football world seems to point that Redskins have weapons and can be a dangerous team...BUT it all rides on Campbells play and they do not see him making strides to elevate this team.

I say this....i have watched cutler a lot and I can safely say he is a better QB than Campbell....

Some on here say give Campbell another year. i would agree except the problem is...this teams window is closing fast with the age of most and next year...there won't be any QBs avaibale like Cutler if Campbell fails agian.

I say pull the trigger on this and get it done. Cutler will definitely make this offesnse MUCH better.

His numbers last season were better than Campbell and he did this with NO Running game and a very very very bad defense. Granted he had decent WRs but young inexperienced WRs. I can tell ya my opinion on on wrs...they get tons better with Cutler throwing to them and they have more experience. Hence the Falcons....Wrs awful with Vick and everyone said they needed WRs...same Wrs with Ryan...Were fantastic and White had 1000 yard season. All together the WRs had 16 Tds...Big difference from Vick. And he was a Rookie QB with a Rookie coach.

Get Cutler!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"Why is anyone riding the Jason Campbell bandwagon??

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 1, 2009"

Must be April "Fool's" Day. There are so many on this blog ...

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Perri - Gibbs was going to trade DWilliams right before the SB season started, but Doug balked and he ended up being kept and becoming SB MVP.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Dude. He had to throw it up every time because they didn't have a running back. Did you want him to start kicking it? It's not worthless to point out he had a crappy defense. Cutler was forced to outscore the other teams in every game. Without a running back. That's pretty hard to do. We have a difference of opinion. I don't believe that makes my take "drivel." But nice.

Posted by: aparks07 | April 1, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

"Why is anyone riding the Jason Campbell bandwagon??"

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 1, 2009 1:49 PM |


I think it's more a rejection of Cutler. Most (well...maybe some) feel he should get the chance to prove himself this season, or then it's time to move on.

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Every year it's well give him another year he is basically a rookie, he has had 2 many headcoaches blah blah blah... I am sick of all the excuses BRING ON CUTLER!!

Hail Skins!!

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 1, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Also, we can't afford to waste high picks trading QBs.

Jay Cutler isn't winning the SB behind our OL, and neither is anybody else that we're going to be starting at QB.

So let's fix the OL, eh?
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 1, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

It would be interesting to see what JC17 could do behind the Bronco's O-line with some real receiving threats.

I could envision the same people praising JCutler here whining about it later--when they see what JC17 can do when he has enought time behind a solid O-line to show off his arm.

Good thing JC17 isn't sulking about these rumors like Cutler did... but I think JC17 might actually be the biggest benficiary if he landed in Denver and got some stability (could he be behind the rumors?).

Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Anyone here who posts that Cutler would not be an upgrade over Jason Campbell has never seen Cutler play.
Posted by: aparks07 | April 1, 2009"

Statistics don't lie pal. The interceptions to TD ratio is poor in Cutler's case and superior in JC17's. JC's mobility, size are better.

Nope Cutler would end up being a DOWNGRADE.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Your basing this on what? a 4 game run? Campbell has done nothing...he couldnt even light it up with a dominate running game behind him! When that went away...he started throwing some picks and turning the ball over. Cutler of course will have a worse ratio...THEY HAD NO RUNNING GAME! They threw the ball twice as much as The Skins did and he also threw downfield alot! Campbell dinked and dunked all the time...

Jason does NOT have better mobility then Cutler...go watch films before saying that...Also Cutler makes a chice and fires the ball ...Campbell holds the ball and has a slow release and takes a lot of sacks whcih kills drives....and Campebll also has a VERY VERY VERY bad Redzone TD Ratio! He has ore Ints in the redzone than most QBs in the league.

Sorry I will never agree with you that Campbell had shown anything yet that he is the answer...Hell his career is half over....when will he step up? How many chances and excuses ya going to give him?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Campbell for Cutler straight up doesn't make much sense for the Skins unless there is something else included.

Campbell's salary is much lower than Cutler's, so the Skins would be piling up an unneeded expense. I don't think Cutler is a significant upgrade over Campbell, though he might be a better WCO fit.

But, if the 'something else' is Shanahan, its a whole new ballgame. Portis thrived under Shanahan, and obviously Shanahan loves Cutler. Shsnahan had an awful defense in Denver, he'll have a very good one here. Shanahan got rings in Denver and in SF as the OC.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Why isnt anyone paying attention to the third team that would be needed. i dont even think Vinny is as dumb as the first and JC for cutler.

So for it to happen we need to get a low first or maybe a high second.

Worst case scenario = JC and 13 for Cutler and their #2

Best case = JC and 13 for cutler and someone elses 1st.

Push = keeping campbell

Posted by: Zeebs | April 1, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Statistics don't lie. But they also don't tell the story. No running game forces Cutler to throw the ball a lot more, hence more interceptions. He's a better QB. I think you could ask any coach in the NFL who they would rather have, and I think every single one of them would say Cutler.

Posted by: aparks07 | April 1, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

BenchCampbell = Sportsguru

And 4th, I just watched the America's game with the 87 Skins.....Williams wanted the trade to go down; Gibbs just couldn't pull the trigger (thank goodness!)

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 1, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Here is the problem although Campbell is talented he isnt really suited for the West Coast Offense... His delivery is extremely long he doesnt make "quick" decision with the ball and he REFUSES to throw to a spot. The thing is you want somebody who is confident at the QB spot

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 1, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Perri - Gibbs was going to trade DWilliams right before the SB season started, but Doug balked and he ended up being kept and becoming SB MVP.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

This is false....Gibbs was going to trade him before the season to the Raiders is right...But Doug DID not BALK...Doug was on board and wanted to be traded to the Raiders and was upset and mad at Gibbs for changing his mind. Gibbs called him in the office and told him the deal was off and that he changed his mind and told Doug "Douglas..have a feeling your gonna come in and win this thing for us"

Its on the Americas game pretty crystal clear!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

aparks.

Denver is 0-4 when he throws 2 or more picks. That makes it an unrecoverable error in my book. So how does him continuing to "throw it up everytime" help his cause?

Campbell was getting pounded by the D front four, so he's throwing into heavy coverage with an O-line made of paper mache. 6 picks vs 25 is a tough argument to win when your are playing in the NFC East.

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Campbell threw 2 picks against the Ravens and 2 picks against the Steelers. The number 1 and 2 defenses in the NFL.

Campbell threw 2 picks in the other 14 games, despite playing behind a problematic OL and having an average receiving group.

Campbell is a good QB.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

At this point, the FO is either going to have to pull the trigger on the trade, immediately and vehemently deny any trade overtures, or sign JC17 to a contract extension.

This is going to shatter Jason's confidence, and I think that all he needs is a little stability and confidence to stomp, statistically and figuratively, the likes of Jay Cutler.

Also, Jason Campbell isn't the 'second coming of Doug Williams' cause IMHO Williams wasn't that great/consistent a QB, and they have completely different playing styles. Williams never hesitated to throw the ball 30 or more yards downfield (with positive and negative results); Jason prefers to carve away at a D (with positive and negative results).

Redskins Nation is with you, Jason.

Posted by: Angelonourshoulders | April 1, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the corection. As I was typing it, I knew I had the story wrong.

I was just checking to make sure you guys were real fans......

And DHaze and Leevi passed the test while everyone else failed.

Diploma will be in the mail...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Cutler of course will have a worse ratio...THEY HAD NO RUNNING GAME! ...

Jason does NOT have better mobility then Cutler...

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 1:57 PM

Nonsense. Double nonsense. The Broncos were 12th in the league (Skins were 8th). Here's a stat worth noting: CPortis got 9 TDs on 342 carries. The Broncos had 3 no-name backs who combined for 10 TDs on 205 carries. That no-name trio had a 4.7 yard/carry avg. The Broncos had a stable O-line.

JC17 doesn;t have better mobility than Cuter?

JC-whiner, 57 carries for 200 yards.
JC17, 47 carries for 258 yards.

The Skins played against better defenses than the Brocos. Cutler played in a sorry division where nobody had a winning record.


I've said it before and I'll say it again: everyone looks better behind the Broncos O-line:
Portis:
For Broncos (average): 281.5 carries, 1549.5 yards, (5.5 yd/carry), 14.5 TDs

For Skins: 297.8 carries, 1220.6 yards, (4.09 yd/carry), 8.6 TDs.

Cutler would not have the same success here that he's had in Denver. However, JC17 would likely kick a ss in Denver. Fuggedaboutit.


Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

That's right. And Favre got his ring due to Desmond Howard.

And Elway wasn't draft by Indy. They didn't have a team back then. It was Bmore....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

And I will say it: Elway got his rings because of a monster named Davis. Want proof:

In his 8 postseason games, Davis had 204 carries for 1,140 yards and 12 touchdowns, along with 19 receptions for 131 yards. He had 7 straight playoff games wih 100+ yards.

Posted by: moosepod

---------

Yea, yea, yea, and Montana got his rings because of Jerry Rice, Young got his ring because of Jerry Rice, Aikman got his rings because of Emmit Smith, Brady got his rings because of Adam Vinatieri and Bill Belichick, and on, and on, and on.

Apparently it's a crime to have talent on the field with you at the same time.

Posted by: psps23 | April 1, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Campbell's picks:
1 game vs league's #1 defense: 2
1 game vs league's #2 defense: 2
4 games vs 3&5 rated defense: 1
10 games vs all other teams: 1

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Solomon Wilcots, "I like Jason Campbell as a Quarterback and I think he just needs some consistency in the same system there with the Washington Skins where he has played under four offensive coordinators and four different systems in five years. I think with that continuity and with that consistency, I think you'll see his confidence goes up and with that confidence, then I think you'll see him assert his leadership on this football team. Yes this team could run the ball with the best of them last year but they lacked the explosive pass plays and that's where he's gotta really improve. I thought he improved last year in his ball security in the pocket, now he's gotta really be able to find receivers down the field and create explosive plays in the passing game."

If only Devin Thomas and Malcom Kelly could get down field....and catch whatever comes their way, of course.

Wait, Zorn has to call up a play longer than ten yards for that to happen.

Wait, the Oline has to block?

Crap, I forgot to mention, the quarterback has to wear diapers?

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 1, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is not a good QB... We HOPE he's a good QB. I'm sorry...but if you can get Cutler for any type of value you do it. Especially in this offense.

Posted by: JHvet1 | April 1, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Best reason for Skins to stick with Campbell:

Skins run a conservative offense and use an elite defense for success. Worked for Pittsburgh and Baltimore. Campbell is excellent at 'not losing' games with foolish mistakes.

Best reason to trade for Cutler:
Mike Shanahan

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

aparks.

Denver is 0-4 when he throws 2 or more picks. That makes it an unrecoverable error in my book. So how does him continuing to "throw it up everytime" help his cause?

Campbell was getting pounded by the D front four, so he's throwing into heavy coverage with an O-line made of paper mache. 6 picks vs 25 is a tough argument to win when your are playing in the NFC East.

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

This is something else that bothers me about what most say on this blog about the O-line.....

First if the team you play does not repect your passing game ..what are they going to do? They will stack the run to try and stop Portis....Saying "we don't think you can beat us through the air with Campbell....They overload with blitzs and bring the house....This will cause problems for any offense when you are one dimensional!!

Defenses were not scared of Campbell throwing..that's why we got blitzed all the time. They see Campbell has a slow release, does not pull the trigger, will take sacks.

The o-line had good pass protection in a lot of games..i point to the second Giants game. (I have all the games on DVD) I look at films when people make claims on here. So do we all agree the Ginats had a very good d-line?

Ok...at times campbell had 4 seconds standing there in the pocket....thats alot of time...Your going to give and have sacks no matter what kind of line you have when you hold the ball that long. Many times..cooley and Moss were open and Campbell took a sack.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Yea, yea, yea, and Montana got his rings because of Jerry Rice, Young got his ring because of Jerry Rice, Aikman got his rings because of Emmit Smith, Brady got his rings because of Adam Vinatieri and Bill Belichick, and on, and on, and on.

Apparently it's a crime to have talent on the field with you at the same time.

Posted by: psps23 | April 1, 2009 2:08 PM

Exactly. One talent will not win it.

Elway went to the SB 2/3 times before TDavis but could never win it. Favre was drugged up and already deemed the next BArt Starr, but couldn't win it before nor after DHoward. SanFran needed all of those HOFers to show off the WCO.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

That's right. And Favre got his ring due to Desmond Howard.

And Elway wasn't draft by Indy. They didn't have a team back then. It was Bmore....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

And I will say it: Elway got his rings because of a monster named Davis. Want proof:

In his 8 postseason games, Davis had 204 carries for 1,140 yards and 12 touchdowns, along with 19 receptions for 131 yards. He had 7 straight playoff games wih 100+ yards.

Posted by: moosepod

Farve threw 3 Tds passes that game...one was a SB record for longest...Howard returned one 99 yard kick return for a td ...His ONLY kick return of his career....Are you kidding me?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

"Cutler of course will have a worse ratio...THEY HAD NO RUNNING GAME! They threw the ball twice as much as The Skins did and he also threw downfield alot! Campbell dinked and dunked all the time..."


Wrong again.

Cutler threw the ball 7 more attempts per game than the Skins. Not twice as many.

His average yardage per attempt was 7.3 vs Campbell which was 6.4 - the difference is less than 1 yard.

His completion percentage was 63.6, Campbell was 62.3

Cutlers QB rating was 86, Campbell 84.3

So where is the massive upgrade everyone keeps talking about while they apologize for Denver's D and ignore our own O line?

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

“Statisics don’t lie”……but they can be spun any number of different ways, and everyone has their own interpretation. If Jason Cambell got struck by lightning (Literally) 3 different times and lived through each lightning strike, half the board up here would say he’s the unluckiest SOB they ever saw for getting struck three times, and the other half would be saying that he’s the luckiest SOB in the world for having lived through 3 strikes….in both cases the FACT that he got struck by lightning 3 times and lived doesn’t lie……

Anyhow, for everyone who seems to “know” that Campbell “isn’t good” and wants to know how long they have to wait for Campbell to make it or break it, it’s pretty apparent that the FO is giving him this year to prove his worth. If he stinks up the joint, he’s probably going the free agent route. For him to get re-signed, I don’t think he has to win the big game, only show improvement in all or most aspects of his game. One more year…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 1, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

What is this 25 int for Cutler? He only had 18 against 25 TDS. Check the stats. I think Cutler would be a better QB in the red zone. Who had more red zone chances last year?

Posted by: FedorEm | April 1, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

none of them would have gotten their rings without jostens.

..maps...

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 1, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

"Defenses were not scared of Campbell throwing..that's why we got blitzed all the time. They see Campbell has a slow release, does not pull the trigger, will take sacks.

The o-line had good pass protection in a lot of games..i point to the second Giants game. (I have all the games on DVD) I look at films when people make claims on here. So do we all agree the Ginats had a very good d-line?"
Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 2:14 PM

Leevi,

can you come up with the number of times that JC17 was blitzed? I don't think that it was often.

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 1, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

What is this 25 int for Cutler? He only had 18 against 25 TDS. Check the stats. I think Cutler would be a better QB in the red zone. Who had more red zone chances last year?

Posted by: FedorEm | April 1, 2009 2:19 PM

You are right correct. My bad. He was only three times as reckless with the ball instead of four.

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

What is this 25 int for Cutler? He only had 18 against 25 TDS.

You say this as if 18 interceptions is not a lot. Cutler is overrated plain and simple. Spends a lot of time in the shotgun and has a monster named Brandon Marshall. He isnt bad, but he definitely isnt an upgrade from our JC.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 1, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I remember one red zone trip that was a league-wide disaster.

If Denver don't want 'im - there's something wrong with him. We don't want that either. Talent be dammed.

Hey - I've got a really talented qb for ya - Jeff George. Yuk. I've got a fairly un-talented one for ya... Billy Kilmer. Or that Rypen guy. How about Shroeder? Or even Williams... Thiesman?

We're trying to build a team, not play madden.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 1, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Campbell isn't the problem for this team.

We all saw it. It is the OL. It is the WRs after Moss tweaks a hammy. It is the lack of turnovers caused by the defense. It is special teams struggling in kicking and PR. And Zorn's play calling.

Those were the problems last year.

Where have we made changes? Albert should help in the defense/big play department. Picked up a couple of potential PR guys. Added Dockery to the OL.

Skins should fix their problems. Cutler won't fix any of the Skins problems. Shanahan would.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

His ONLY kick return of his career....Are you kidding me?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 2:16 PM

Do you really want to start it with me today?

Cuz if we start, the best you can hope for is a stalemate...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Mmmmaaaaybe Shanahan would. He might just have the same success as HOF-JG2.0 Which wasn't really that bad...

...just sayin' is all...

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 1, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

All this Cutler talk is giving me a headache...
I hope JZ releases another statement about not being interested so we can put this nonsense to bed...

Posted by: BostonWarPath | April 1, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

You thought RI was bad with all of its mudslinging.

Look at this comments section:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/01/AR2009040101632_Comments.html

I think commenting on articles has become one of the worst additions by the print media online...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

"Defenses were not scared of Campbell throwing..that's why we got blitzed all the time. They see Campbell has a slow release, does not pull the trigger, will take sacks."

Uhhh...

I remember the pressure coming from the front 4 on the D line, not from bringing the house. Quite the opposite. D lines would dominate our O line, disrupting the running game and pressuring the QB, allowing them to drop seven and keep a safety deep all day, making Campbell throw into heavy coverage and not risk the deep ball with a safety back. They respected his arm, and stayed back, knowing the D line could take care of their business.

We need to build our O line, not putz around with another QB (who is statistically similar and hasn't won a playoff game yet...)

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I ask this question....

can anybody honestly say that Jason Campbell is a good leader of this football team?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Career Stats:

CUT
SOUP


Games QBRat Com Att Pct Yds Y/G Y/A
37 87.1 762 1220 62.5 9024 243.9 7.4
36 80.4 675 1130 59.7 7242 201.2 6.4
TD Int Rus Yds Y/G AVG TD Sack YdsL
54 37 113 423 11.4 3.7 3 51 307
35 23 107 550 15.3 5.1 2 66 431
Fum FumL
24 8
20 9

Yes Cutler is probably a better QB, but if the price is not right (and it won't be) why go after it. The stats aren't as significant as you may think. Cutler's line is better; Campbell's D is better. But Cutler plays in the AFC WEST. Let me repeat that AFC WEST... one more time AFC WEST.

Here are your def. stats:

AFC West
NFC East


Pts/g yd/g ryd/g pyd/g int ff sack
25.4 369.7 141.8 227.8 12.5 12.3 24
19.5 287.4 97.5 189.8 13.3 14.3 43.3

The defenses that Cutler had to play against were terrible, just awful. JC could have put up similar stats if he was facing those D's.

Posted by: moosepod | April 1, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

People here are talking about why the Redskins would want Cutler, but how about why the Bronco's would want Campbell? Their new coach wants someone who is not as reckless with the football: Campbell. Still, I really don't see it happening. Yes, I would like to see Shanahan come to the Redskins - especially if Vinny were to get the boot in the process, but I think this is a bunch of baloney. Cutler will be traded to the Lions. Josh McDaniels wants a rookie QB to mold and if he can't have the one he molded in New England Stafford will be the guy. If the Redskins really wanted Mikey, they would have made an offer before now.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 1, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

leevi98,
You might have a point there. Campbell might not be a great leader, but I really don't think Cutler is much of a leader, either. His attitude over the last few weeks pretty much shows what kind of leader he is. If the Redskins were truly interested in getting a QB, they would be looking to trade up in the draft, and haven't heard anything about that. They couldn't afford Cutler or a high first round pick, either. They don't have the cap room.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 1, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

This Cutler vs Campbell talk is irrelevant. The only thing that matters in regards to a trade is how Denver management perceives Campbell. Consider not what Redskins fans think about Campbell but what the rest of the league thinks.

Posted by: gtn130 | April 1, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

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