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The Draft (And I Don't Mean a Beer)

Remember back at the end of April when I mentioned that Roger Goodell was asking sports editors about possibly taking the NFL Draft on the road? And I asked you guys for input? Obviously, the 2008 Draft will be held in NYC, but taking it on the road after that is on the table....
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19763852/

By Cindy Boren  |  July 14, 2007; 8:59 PM ET
 
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Si Va, si va in serie A!

uno.

Posted by: periculum | July 14, 2007 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Beer wise, it's Draught over here, not draft.

Posted by: kost52 | July 14, 2007 10:20 PM | Report abuse

15th here, Happy Birthday Connskins!

Posted by: kost52 | July 14, 2007 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Still no Jasno sighting??

Posted by: kost52 | July 14, 2007 10:25 PM | Report abuse

kost, who do you like to win the Copa tomorrow? Brazil, Argentina, or David Beckham?

Posted by: SMACK | July 14, 2007 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Easy -- David Beckham. He's the beginning and end of all things soccer.

Posted by: cload and daggar | July 14, 2007 11:02 PM | Report abuse

I reckon Brazil.

Did you see the Asia Cup results? Australia was beaten 3-1 by Iraq. What a joke.

Posted by: kost52 | July 14, 2007 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Good point cload, after all there wasn't a movie called "Bend it like Brazil"

Posted by: kost52 | July 14, 2007 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Good call Nate yesterday? with the Evil Dead Movies. I love Bruce Campbell, and at the moment I'm wearing a T-shirt which says "Well Hello Mr.Fancy Pants".

Posted by: kost52 | July 14, 2007 11:23 PM | Report abuse

We're getting beaten by Iraq as well.

Posted by: SMACK | July 14, 2007 11:34 PM | Report abuse

My plan for Iraq is to paste the countryside with picures of kittens saying:
I M in Ur Country
making you speak R language

Posted by: cload and daggar | July 15, 2007 12:10 AM | Report abuse

In Loudoun right now, it's called scotch, not draught.
A draught is what you quench with scotch...

Posted by: cload and daggar | July 15, 2007 12:15 AM | Report abuse

We could just pipe in John Cougar singing "This is Our Country". Maybe that would sedate them like smoke does to bees.

Posted by: SMACK | July 15, 2007 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Ride of the Valkyries is more appropriate... with special guest appearance by Robert Duvall.

Posted by: cload and daggar | July 15, 2007 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Surfin' the Euphrates

Posted by: cload and daggar | July 15, 2007 12:35 AM | Report abuse

It's the eye of the Tigris it's the thrill of the fight

Posted by: SMACK | July 15, 2007 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the new post and welcome back, Cindy!

I can't help asking, not that it matters one whit, but is there an all-time high number of comments on a single thread across all the WaPo blogs? It would be at least mildly interesting to know where our 1,165 ranks.

I also wonder if this whole blog phenomenon is viewed as something of a sideshow by you people behind the scenes at WaPo, a goof, or if it's a welcome development in terms of site usage/behavior etc.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 15, 2007 12:47 AM | Report abuse

No other blog features such a dedicated crew, with such an... unavailable... leader.

Sometimes the inmates run the asylum.

Posted by: cload and daggar | July 15, 2007 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Discussion topic: what meals of the day could Catherine Zeta-Jones cook for you?

Try to keep it to ten or so.

Posted by: cload and daggar | July 15, 2007 1:23 AM | Report abuse

I'm going ahead with the obvious:

ziti

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 15, 2007 1:34 AM | Report abuse

I would seriously consider traveling to NO for the NFl draft, but have no desire to go up to NYC for the same event.

Go ahead NO, re-build that city!

Posted by: Big Murf | July 15, 2007 1:54 AM | Report abuse

Hey it's a new post! Yeah Cyn Cyty!

I would like to say that the b-day party was successful. It was small as I wanted and I made some tasty pasta and we sat around the table and ate and drank and listened to our duets and laughed and laughed and laughed. Thanks for the input on songs.

Happy B-day connskins (I missed that announcement).

Okey dokey off to zzzzland.

Posted by: sfskin | July 15, 2007 5:01 AM | Report abuse

What difference does it make whether the draft is in New York, New Orleans, or New Guinea? The picks will be identical wherever it is held, and so will the television broadcast with all the worn out highlight clips and Mel Kiper's hair.

Harumph.

Posted by: KK | July 15, 2007 7:44 AM | Report abuse

What a snoozerifick topic. We all gave our thoughts on this LAST TIME.

We are starting to "mail it in" up here.

Posted by: DTC | July 15, 2007 8:46 AM | Report abuse

started reading the first couple posts and saw only spanish, soccer and iraq talk. i'll be back when camp opens.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 15, 2007 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Rotate the draft, I mean most NFL cities have a convention center that could be used. But the real issue they need to work on is the issue of making the day one faster and shorter. Who wants to sit for six hours to see the first round finish up. I would watch more of the draft if it took only 2 hours per round. That being said I would like to see them go to 10 draft rounds.

Posted by: 35332 | July 15, 2007 9:22 AM | Report abuse

The draft is an oasis in the middle of a football wasteland. Why rush through it? Relish it. Mustard it. Put it on a bun. But then I like soccer, spanish, and talking about iraq and duets. So maybe I have more patience than most.

Posted by: SMACK | July 15, 2007 9:48 AM | Report abuse

And the Cowboys, the ultimate exercise in patience, tolerance, acceptance, self-restraint, denial, delusion...

Posted by: SMACK | July 15, 2007 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Love the live link!

Posted by: chris larry | July 15, 2007 10:23 AM | Report abuse

The lead story is 3 weeks old.

Jenkins = May
Boswell = April
Wilbon = December
A link to a 2005 playoff appearance.

The Skins page is old and crusty. Pathetic.

Posted by: disappointed | July 15, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: JustMe | July 15, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Redskins training camp preview:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7023194

Posted by: JustMe | July 15, 2007 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Happy Birthday, connskins!

Posted by: MV Dame | July 15, 2007 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Nate,
For websites (and other things) there's no such thing as a bad hit. What surprises me is that WP hasn't tried to capitalize on the RI faithful.

So I think we're under the radar, which is probably a good thing.

Happy Birthday to connskins.
Keep it safe and keep it sane.

Posted by: Stumped | July 15, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Some funny stuff.

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=238470

Posted by: JustMe | July 15, 2007 10:51 AM
------
I did not know Tampa Bay held training camp at Disney World. Man one would think Snyder would play off that and move Skins camp to six flags, think of the cross marketing.

Posted by: 35332 | July 15, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

For those of us who don't live in the market.

Here's a live link to the Eastern Motors Commercial...

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/07/10/horrible-redskins-commercial-for-eastern-motors/

Posted by: Stumped | July 15, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Art Monk speaks:
http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2007/07/12/sports/bsports071207.txt

He says it's a travesty that he hasn't been inducted into the HOF, saying it just shows that the whole system is screwed up. He talks about how he has to be counted as one of the all time greatest wide receivers and how amazed he is that a second rate WR like Irvin Johnson was elected.

Well, if you know Monk you know he didn't say any of that.

He should be in the Human-being HOF.

Posted by: Stumped | July 15, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Kost- Let's start your Monday morning off with a mini roll call from 'Le Tour'...

O'Grady: Crashed out
Rogers: Crashed out
McEwen: Outside time limit. Eliminated.

Can I get an "Aussie Aussie Aussie, Oi Oi Oi"?

Posted by: 4-12 | July 15, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jm220 | July 15, 2007 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Le Tour will be settled in the final stage, when Sean Taylor edges out David Beckham.

C'mon Team Discovery!

Posted by: SMACK | July 15, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

jm, how do you find that stuff? That's insane...

Posted by: MV Dame | July 15, 2007 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm a regular reader of the blog, so I feel like I know you all, but let me introduce myself. I'm a 27-year old single woman who has always lived in the dc area and loves the Skins and Nats. I watch sportscenter and PTI every day. I'll ever watch car racing! Since it's been slow lately, I've got a question for you all. It seems like guys would want to date a girl who likes sports, but it doesn't really work for me. I think that it's because sports are a "guy thing" that guys like having as their own thing. What do you guys (and Lisa and Cindy) think?

Posted by: Sherry | July 15, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Glad I don't live in the DC market after seeing that commercial. Thanks for the link.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 15, 2007 6:14 PM | Report abuse

All I ask...

1) Speak English
c) Bathe regularly
VII*) Love sports

*List format stolen from...dealer? cL? MV?

Posted by: SMACK | July 15, 2007 6:15 PM | Report abuse

smack, is that in order of preference? c) might be asking too much . . . hahaha

Posted by: Sherry | July 15, 2007 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Welcome Sherry!

I think it depends on the guy. For some reason most of my successful datings/relationships have been with guys who weren't big sports fans, thus success was ultimately doomed. : )

One thing I will say is more often than not I find that guys don't quite believe that a "girl" can possibly love sports THAT much. They frequently seem surprised, taken aback, pleased, skeptical when I can sit and talk baseball, football etc. The test becomes what their reaction is. Do they love that you love sports and plunge into the conversation or do they get peevish and annoyed?

I've experienced both. Most of our guys here at RI are delighted to have XX crazies. (Although there are a few lurkers who can't quite avoid the snide.) It's one of the reasons I love this place.

If the guy gets annoyed or is patronizing then eff-em. Otherwise it is a great great way to have conversation and bond.

Hopefully one day I shall meet and marry a delightful man and he will embrace my fanaticism either by joining me in it or supporting me from afar.

Posted by: sfskin | July 15, 2007 6:29 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, I've had very similar experiences. One of the reasons that I ask is because I have a girlfriend who just married a sports fan, and he ended up being pleasently surprised that's she's a fan too. He suggested that I wait and bring up my sports interests later, but I don't want to play stupid games. Thanks for your input!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 15, 2007 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Sherry, I think most guys love it that a women loves sports - as long as she loves other things as well (if you get what I mean). However, when I meet a guy and tell him that I'm a sports lover, he usually thinks that (1) I'm just saying that or (2) I like it in passing and don't really know anything. When they talk to me and discover how totally over the top I am about it, they are pretty amazed.

One problem I have is that I love sports MORE than the guys....

Posted by: Lisa | July 15, 2007 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, thanks, but now you've got me paranoid abut the "other things!"

Posted by: Sherry | July 15, 2007 7:01 PM | Report abuse

I have no problem with dating women who love sports my girlfriend is a soccer fan from Houston, and as most people know... they, soccer fans and Texans are crazy. The thing is that most women don't seem as sport oriented as most guys do. Personally its not something I am at all interested in looking for in a woman, if they are sports fans its just another bones.

Posted by: 35332 | July 15, 2007 7:13 PM | Report abuse

dudes that like ice capades usually are not into sports, or real sports should i say.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 15, 2007 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Sherry,
That question ought to get the blog going!

There's truth in what you've said. There are probably a lot of guys that might be a little intimidated by ladies that really like sports (just as you said, most guys would default by thinking yeah, right), but I don't see that kind of thing as being a deal breaker for many people.

So, give the guys you meet a chance to deal with it and if they can't, no worries.

We all have plenty of expectations going into relationships. Be yourself, have fun. There's nothing more attractive than a happy person with a big smile.

I can hardly wait to see what the others have to say.

And since you're a big-time sports fan, we gotta see more posts from you, huh?

So, what do you think about the Redskins trying to add Keenan Mccardell?

Posted by: Stumped | July 15, 2007 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Sherry - My girlfriend doesn't get sports, and it is a constant frustration for me. I play sports (basketball, squash) 2-3 times a week, love watching just about any sport which is on t.v. and I'm always in 3 or 4 fantasy sports leagues. I think if she was a big sports fan it would be wonderful. But because she isn't I find I'm stuck in a situation where it's taboo to talk about or watch sports when she's around. In fact one night before going out with another couple, she told me that I was not allowed to talk sports with the other guy!

It truly is a shame if you ladies feel that guys are intimidated by the fact you love and know a lot about sports. It's something that I for one would welcome with open arms.


Posted by: kost52 | July 15, 2007 7:32 PM | Report abuse

I guess another way to look at things, is they might not necessarily be intimidated, but might be a little worried that your high level of interest in sports might encroach into the comaraderie he has with his mates. I suppose the sports thing with the boys, can be a bit of an escape from normal life for some guys, and having a partner who is as interested might mean he'd have to include you which might destroy independent "George".

Not me though, I'd love it.

Posted by: kost52 | July 15, 2007 7:41 PM | Report abuse

4-12 - Yeah thanks mate, it's been a wonderful weekend in Australian sports. Luckily for me my Aussie Rules team is on a 10 game winning streak and are top of the table!

Posted by: kost52 | July 15, 2007 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Stumped - I like the McCardell angle, I think he'll be a good addition off the field, AND on the field, I reckon last year's numbers were more a reflection of his relationship with his coach rather than declining skills.

Posted by: kost52 | July 15, 2007 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Happy Birthday, connskins!!!

Posted by: Otter | July 15, 2007 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Sherry,

Please understand that SMACK is a Cowboys' fan. Since finding a woman Cowboys' fan who speaks English and bathes at all is damn near impossible, he has a hard time getting a date.

Posted by: Otter | July 15, 2007 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of great commercials....

It's just like a mini-mall!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4BFqHKsVsw

Posted by: disappointed | July 15, 2007 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Otter,
Well don sir, LOL. Its funny because its true.

Posted by: 35332 | July 15, 2007 8:14 PM | Report abuse

No, no, otter. I don't think that SMACK is really a cowboys fan, since he can actually put together complete sentences. Real cowboy fans are like that loser who used to post stupid, incoherent taunts during the season. Anyway, thanks for all of your opinions. I guess that it just depends on the individual, and I'm really good at attracting jerks. But it's reassuring to know that not all guys are like that, and I appreciate the encouragement.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 15, 2007 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, that was me. I keep forgetting to include my name.

Posted by: Sherry | July 15, 2007 8:27 PM | Report abuse

My cousin bathes up all real nice.

Posted by: SMACK | July 15, 2007 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Good topic though Sherry, it should keep us going for a good 800-1000 posts!

Posted by: kost52 | July 15, 2007 9:14 PM | Report abuse

I just took some mescaline and a winged unicorn came to me and it told me Sherry = Boofer.

Posted by: SMACK | July 15, 2007 9:32 PM | Report abuse

SMACK - Copa started yet?

Posted by: kost52 | July 15, 2007 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Over and done with kost, not even close.

Posted by: SMACK | July 15, 2007 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Wow, thought it would be closer than that!

Posted by: kost52 | July 15, 2007 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Argentina was somnambulant. Good to see an Arsenal man score for Brazil - Baptista had a nice goal.

Posted by: SMACK | July 15, 2007 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Nice word! That mescaline has made you all articulate!

Posted by: kost52 | July 15, 2007 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Here is a slow day question. How do you think the total yardage will break down between Betts and CP?

My Guess:
Player % of Runs Yards TD
Portis 60 1,200 14
Betts 40 1000 10
(yes I realize that would average 137 yds a game)

Posted by: 35332 | July 15, 2007 10:30 PM | Report abuse

I reckon your percentages are about right, but I think Portis will average more per carry than Betts, so I think he'll have more than 1200 yds, and I'm not sure if Betts will score that many TD's. Assuming both players play all 16 games of course.

Posted by: kost52 | July 15, 2007 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Here is the thing, I am guessing Betts will be the goal line guy, what with his run em over philosophy.

Posted by: 35332 | July 15, 2007 10:43 PM | Report abuse

If I wanted to be invloved in discussions like these, I would go hang out in Dupont circle. Is this a skins blog or what? How about some skins news

Posted by: Anonymous | July 15, 2007 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Betts needs to solve that fumble problem....oh yeah, he is coached by EB.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fumble

Still, I'm a big EB fan from back in the day.

Posted by: disappointed | July 15, 2007 11:21 PM | Report abuse

To the anonymous poster...it's the offseason....there is no Skins news. We are lucky that Jason kept the blog going during the offseason so we can at least touch base with each other.

Posted by: Lisa | July 15, 2007 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I think Betts will be more productive...if you factor in all the recieving stats hes gonna get plus the fact that since he can catch much better than CP, he'll be the 3rd down back. Throw in more goal line and redzone(in general) touches. Also, I remember a few Portis bumbles at crucial times too, so Betts' mistakes cant really be used as a difference maker between the two.

As far as the chic that digs sports question, I couldnt be happier if my girl was as crazy about the skins as I was. And im talking serious fanatacism, not shared enthusiasm, which can come off being a little fake.

Maybe McCardell will smack Lloyd around like a big brother and actually get some production out of his lazy arse.

HAIL!!

Posted by: skinnyntenny | July 16, 2007 12:20 AM | Report abuse

I think it's great that there's no Skins news at the moment, it feels really good to be at the bottom of the Turd list!

Posted by: kost52 | July 16, 2007 12:35 AM | Report abuse

kost - don't know if anyone mentioned it but your under 20s kicked our a$$es in soccah, don't know if you saw that.

Posted by: sfskin | July 16, 2007 1:13 AM | Report abuse

sfskin - I'm Australian, not Austrian, easy mistake though :-)

Posted by: kost52 | July 16, 2007 2:29 AM | Report abuse

To anony posters who come here and read this thing and complain about us not talking about Redskins,

What do you suggest we do since there is absolutely NO skins news?

1.) Make it up?
IV.) Ask you to stop looking at the blog until some news comes actually comes up?

Posted by: charlie | July 16, 2007 2:55 AM | Report abuse

One of the greatest gifts we can give another human being is to act as their guardian. Whether this gift is related to a specific situation or is representative of an ongoing commitment, we each benefit from the association. To protect someone is to walk with them in challenging times and see them through safely to the other side. In doing this, we grow with them. And those under our guardianship derive confidence from our support and assistance, enabling them to persevere through almost any conditions.

There are many reasons we feel inspired to serve as guardians to those we care for. Sometimes just holding the space for somebody allows them to do what is necessary to grow or heal. We may simply want to see that our friend or loved one is taken care of and equipped to prevail over difficult circumstances. We may also sense that we are in possession of knowledge our loved ones are lacking yet need in their current stage of development. Our offer to serve as a guardian may also be both unsolicited and unrelated to any one situation. Instead of helping someone we care about cope with a specific challenge, we may find ourselves providing them with a more general form of emotional sustenance that prepares and strengthens them for challenges yet to come.

Our ability to empathize with those under our guardianship is our greatest asset because our comprehension of their needs allows us to determine how we can best serve them. Even when this comprehension is limited, however, the loving intentions with which we enter into our role as guardian ensure that our care and protection help others grow as individuals while living their lives with grace.

Posted by: jm220 | July 16, 2007 8:20 AM | Report abuse

I think most guys love it that a women loves sports

lisa, i don't know. i can't put my finger on it but i DON'T want my wife around i'm watching my beloved skins and terps (especially when they're playing Duke).

and it's not a turn-on for me that a girl wears a bret favre jersey/ likes sports or knows sports or watches sports. but it isn't a turn-off for me either. after being married to a nonsports lover i just wouldn't want it any other way.

it's kinda moot (God Willing!) point now but i'm glad my wife doesn't watch sports. she knows enough about all of them but wouldn't skip a re-run of sex and the city to watch a reg skins game.

and sherry is right if my wife watched sports with me i wouldn't know what the h-e-double hockey sticks(sorry jack's kids) to do to get away from her.

Posted by: dealer | July 16, 2007 9:16 AM | Report abuse

i want my space!

Posted by: dealer | July 16, 2007 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Sherry there is nothing wrong with a woman that's into sports.

Dealer not sure why you wouldn't still have your space if she was into sports.

Posted by: jm220 | July 16, 2007 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Dealer, isn't the way you feel about women and sports because she is your WIFE? If you were on the dating scene, wouldn't it be more interesting to date a woman that know sports and enjoys sporting events than someone who wants to shop all the time?

Posted by: Lisa | July 16, 2007 9:42 AM | Report abuse

because jm220 watching sports is a major part of "my space". actually i'd say 90% of 2 hours of alone time i get in a week is spent on watching sports. and if she was into sports also we'd be sitting in the same aproximity of eachother. thus invading "my space". i want her to confuse sports center with sports authority. that's how much i don't want her in my space.

Posted by: dealer | July 16, 2007 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe I just read that some think Betts will be getting the carries in the red zone. You could not have been watching last year when CP had 7 TD's in 8 games while Betts was ripping up yards between the 20's but then we were always settling for FG attempts. Once we're down there CP will and should be getting the rock. Betts maybe on some swing passes.

Posted by: cdubb | July 16, 2007 9:54 AM | Report abuse

YEP! lisa, you hit it right on the head. absolutely. that's why i said i didn't know how much i love the fact that my wife isn't into sports and god forbid had i married one that was...:)

i didn't know any of this before i got married (after the honeymoon was over). and yes, you're right i would've thought "cool" a woman who knows sports.

Posted by: dealer | July 16, 2007 9:56 AM | Report abuse

most of the girls(NOT women) i met who liked sports did so because either
A. their ex-boyfriend did so
3. their dad was into sports
f. they were tomboyish

and neither of those reason is a turn-on for me.

boys like sports because of the whole daggone society...it's expected of us from day 1. you don't have to worry about the reasons we like sports...we do cuz we're boys. that's what we're suppose to do.

Posted by: dealer | July 16, 2007 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Well, I am not "tomboyish" at all....I'm a very feminine woman.....which makes my sports addiction even more surprising to guys.

Posted by: Lisa | July 16, 2007 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Dealer, I really appreciate your input. However, none of those reasons apply to me. Sure, my dad is still teaching me some of the finer points of football (since I never played it, I had to learn by watching), but it's my mom who used to keep me awake during Monday night Skins games with her yelling. I don't have any ex-boyfriends who were into sports. Most importantly, no one would ever consider me a tomboy!

Posted by: Sherry | July 16, 2007 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Sherry, in answer to your question about ladies and sports, this is from GQ magazine. Interesting article.


http://men.style.com/gq/features/landing?id=content_5710

Posted by: LH | July 16, 2007 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I wish my wife were a little more into sports, it would just make it a little easier to catch more of it on tv. She will tolerate watching a Skins game, and will get into it every now and then, but watching the sweet 16 or any other teams but the Skins is a complete non-event to her.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | July 16, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe I just read that some think Betts will be getting the carries in the red zone. You could not have been watching last year when CP had 7 TD's in 8 games while Betts was ripping up yards between the 20's but then we were always settling for FG attempts. Once we're down there CP will and should be getting the rock. Betts maybe on some swing passes.

Posted by: cdubb | July 16, 2007 09:54 AM

for real????? Portis dances around too much for me. Betts hits the farking hole like a freight train man. Yes, CP is quicker (not sure how much the injury is gonna affect that....wasnt it a knee injury?), but it seems like he just doesnt do well on runs that are not stretch plays, or zone blocking, allowing for those quick cuts that he does so well. I want someone with a little force hitting the hole down on the G-line. Ive been a huge Betts fan for years now after i saw his vision and moves. Now that he has been given the chance, the sky's the limit.

I mean, i love CP's speed and agility, but Betts is a better fit for the system in my opinion.

Actually, the best meat-dozer we have is Sellers. I want to see him get more carries down there. Our best goaline package has Sellers and Betts in the backfield. Both are tough, solid runners and both have great hands.

I hope Betts does so well that we trade Portis while he's still semi productive. But he'll probably go down mid season with some kind of break or strain....sigh.......I miss Champ.....

Posted by: skinnyntenny | July 16, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Portis dances around too much for me.

ummmm the only reason he'd ever "dance around" is if it was a broken play. don't you rember one of his first carries againsta tampa? that's not "dancing around" that's called having a vision.

i don't think i've heard anyone say that about portis. i've never seen him "dance around" either. portis is gazillion times better back than betts ever will be.

if you want a straight-head-down-"hit the hole" where no hole exists...give the ball to mike sellers not betts.

Posted by: dealer | July 16, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

tenny - respect your opinion but just don't agree. Having both RB's is a good problem to have. Kinda sounds like you are questioning CP's toughness, the guy blows up blitzers much bigger than him regularly and is a tough runner inside. I like Betts and all and I agree he hits the hole hard but when opposing D's are clamping down in the red zone it doesn't do much good to run straight into a brick wall. I want Sellars leading whoever is carrying plus I don't trust guys who are not used to carrying the ball a lot. Great weapon to have as we saw 2 years ago catching the play action passes but I am hesitiant to hand the ball to a FB.

Posted by: cdubb | July 16, 2007 11:36 AM | Report abuse

tenny, Portis does this neat thing that Betts has not yet mastered: he crosses the goal line while still in possession of the football.

I vote Portis in the red zone, with Sellers lead blocking and Betts rooting them on from the bench area.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 16, 2007 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Dang, sorry tenny, looks like we were piling on ya there.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 16, 2007 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Betts has the potential to be an effective running back in the red zone, IF he can learn to hold on to the ball reliably.

Posted by: Otter | July 16, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

lh, good pull. yes, this is one of those things that only look good until it happens.

sherry, lisa, i wasn't saying that all women are like that. i was just saying from my personal experience those are the only girls(0-25 years old) i've ever known who liked sports.

Posted by: dealer | July 16, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs made a stop on his way to vacation, to settle some silliness involving Tony Stewart, who won the NASCARs this past weekend.

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?seriesId=2&id=2937430

Sure, maybe this is a distraction on some level, but better now than towards the fall. And it serves as yet another reminder of how nice it is NOT to have any drama like this with any Skins players.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 16, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

The only bad reason to have a girlfriend who is into sports? That Fathead hanging from the ceiling in her bedroom.

Posted by: Otter | July 16, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: JustMe | July 16, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

It does no good as I am hard headed....the whole blog could be against me and i would stick by my decision. Does nobody remember how after that 1 big run against Tampa, he had a big scoring drought?...CP was the perfect back for Denver's system, not the perfect back for any system. Hell, he didnt get productive till we started running zone blocking and stretch plays man.

Meanwhile, Betts can run the counter so much better, as well as run the zone blocking, has better hands....and yes..in my opinion, is much tougher than CP. Portis showed real team spirit by racing down and tackling the interceptor last preseason when he fukd up his shoulder and i love to see that hussle. But the fact remains that he has been hurt about 35 to 40% of the time hes been here( somebody who is into stats can correct me if im wrong). By being hurt, I mean not at 100%( but then again, who is all the time?)

If someone has time, and Ill check if noone does cuz im off today, how many fumbles per carry did Betts and Portis average the past couple of seasons. As far as the bad timing fumbles, I think they both are about the same....

But then what do I know?.....Im just a hick, living in the mountains...here in good old Tennessee.

HAIL!!!!

Posted by: skinnyntenny | July 16, 2007 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Does nobody remember how after that 1 big run against Tampa, he had a big scoring drought?

that's because skins passing game was from the 1980's. and everyone was stacking 9 at the LOS.

Posted by: dealer | July 16, 2007 11:57 AM | Report abuse

well..there is some truth to that dealer....

I dont know...ive just always felt that CP was a tad overrated. And by no means was he worth a Champ Bailey by any stretch.

U also have to figure in that Mark Brunell couldnt hit a barn that season, for whatever reason, and that may have been a factor in CP's lowerd production.

Also, they still run the same routes that they ran in the 80's, that they do now. Maybe the philosophy is diff. but a go route is still a go route. so....i dont really buy that excuse.

I think teams realized that Joe was playing safe football, and that Mark B was just washed up.

But that......is another story...

Posted by: skinnyntenny | July 16, 2007 12:05 PM | Report abuse

thank you for the article voodoo queen!

but the fact that he put detroit and cincy ahead of the skins pretty much says it all about his predictions.

and don't forget the clown thought that danny woefull was going to have a great year after he saw him at osaka.

Posted by: dealer | July 16, 2007 12:07 PM | Report abuse

JustMe,

For your info, around here Peter King's opinion has about as much respect around here as a [place the insect of your choice here.]

Posted by: charlie | July 16, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

2 years ago when we made the playoffs, Portis almost single-handedly put the offense on his back. He was good enough for everyone believe that mark brunell could be the quarterback of a team that was hoping to make the jump from squeezing into the playoffs to superbowl contender.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

charlie,

I know that. :-) I think I, personally, regard him even lower than the average RI blogger, or Skins fan for that matter. I just find it amusing that even when someone "likes" the moves the team has made, it still adds up to residency in the league's cacahole.

But then, at least we're not Arizona. He has them at 30. LOL

Posted by: JustMe | July 16, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Portis is the best RB we have. He can score from anywhere - though I think one of the others would be more effective inside the 5. He brings enthusiasm and drive to the team that is just as important as talent. When things are going bad - he wants the ball and will pound into the line until something happens.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha rocks.

Posted by: charlie | July 16, 2007 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Campbell should have the opportunity to surprise some folks. 28th out of 32? Ugh. A little fuel for the offseason water cooler.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7024980

My two cents - I'd take a healthy Portis anyday. Unfortunately I'm concerned he may be on a premature downslide to his career. He's just not that big and has been taking a huge beating these past few years. Betts is a great #2 or 1a to have just don't think he's as good as a healthy CP. Hope he proves me wrong.

Posted by: skinswest | July 16, 2007 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Player Games Rushes Yards Receptions Yards "Touches" Tot.Yds Fumbles Lost Touches/Lost Fumble

Portis 39 822 3354 87 621 909 3975 8 6 151.5

Betts 44 424 1863 78 627 502 2490 9 6 83.7

Betts loses fumbles almost twice as often as Portis.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2007 12:26 PM | Report abuse

The "problem" with women who loves sports is that sports is mainly a "guy thing" and when a woman knows more about sports than he....well, I think you can fill in the rest.

Posted by: charlie | July 16, 2007 12:27 PM | Report abuse

dealer,

The funniest thing is that he expects to be credible after putting Detroit into almost the top third of the league in one offseason (weren't they a 3 win team last season???), but doesn't see any significant improvement with other teams that have made what I would consider to be better moves.

Posted by: JustMe | July 16, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Sherry,

I am also a single, professional woman, with no kids who also loves sports (pro football and basketball). The sports pages are the first thing I check out online everyday and I TiVo my favorite programs on the NFL network. I would love to meet a man who would appreciate my love of sports. I am a Cowboys fan and follow this blog, b/c living here in DC, I'm more familiar with the media folks around here. I also wonder if I should dumb down my knowledge of sports--the last guy I dated told someone that I knew more about sports than he did.

Posted by: PJ | July 16, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I think we've reached an incredibly happy place when what is ostensibly a Redskins blog is interesting and inviting enough that we have so many women and so many non-Redskins fans joining the conversation. I love it.

HAIL

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 16, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey, gang! It's good to be back....kinda. Good question, Nate. The Post doesn't look on its blogs as a sideshow...It's an important way for us to interact with our readers, get their input. One of the most critical roles of a sports section is to be a watchdog for fans. And to empower them by giving them a forum.
It also makes the Post more vibrant, more lively. It develops a real personality, distinct from the paper.

Posted by: Cindy | July 16, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, so glad you are back! How was your vacation? Don't ever leave us again.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 16, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

The only bad reason to have a girlfriend who is into sports? That Fathead hanging from the ceiling in her bedroom.

Posted by: Otter | July 16, 2007 11:46 AM

LMGO!

Posted by: jm220 | July 16, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

PJ -

1) Make arrangements to meet SMACK immediately - he will certainly appreciate you more than you can imagine.
2) Then leave town permanently, and take SMACK with you. You'll both be happier and the world will be a better place.

HTTR! (F the Cowboys.)

Posted by: JP | July 16, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

PJ- So you like sports, and you obviously speak English. According to SMACK's criteria, if you bathe regularly, an RI *gasp* Cowboys love connection could be right around the corner......
_______________________

All I ask...

1) Speak English
c) Bathe regularly
VII*) Love sports

*List format stolen from...dealer? cL? MV?

Posted by: SMACK | July 15, 2007 06:15 PM

Posted by: 4-12 | July 16, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Player Games Rushes Yards Receptions Yards "Touches" Tot.Yds Fumbles Lost Touches/Lost Fumble

Portis 39 822 3354 87 621 909 3975 8 6 151.5

Betts 44 424 1863 78 627 502 2490 9 6 83.7

Betts loses fumbles almost twice as often as Portis.


Ok...i am a hick. Cuz i cant really make heads or tails of the last few groups of numbers.

But the fact that he looses more fumbles cannot be directly attributed to his skill. Once the ol pigskin is loose, anything can happen. So, Portis is just lukier because he either got a good bounce, or had some friend close by, or was closer to the sideline......not better at holding onto the ball...

Trust me guys... I can see these things before they happen. When everyone was suprised at how good Betts was, i wasnt. When Pierce was on SP and playing in the preseason, I knew he was special. Just like I know Smoot is gonna have a great year cuz he kicked ass his first year in it.

Thus Betts will prove any CP faithful, wrong. But enough of this.....unless someone has better stats to throw out there.

HAIL!!!

Posted by: skinnyntenny | July 16, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

PJ I think it had more to do with the Cowgirls being your team.

Posted by: jm220 | July 16, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

It also makes the Post more vibrant, more lively. It develops a real personality, distinct from the paper.

and for all ya Loudounites wapo just started LoCo Livin

hmmmmmmmm i wonder if loudoun (w)esterner is in trouble...

Posted by: dealer | July 16, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Trust me guys... I can see these things before they happen. When everyone was suprised at how good Betts was, i wasnt. When Pierce was on SP

skinny, welcome to being a sports fan.

Posted by: dealer | July 16, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Every year there's some nutcase who claims that the world is going to end and year after year after year I need to say it ain't gonna happen - no matter what Nostradamus or the Mayan calender says.

But if Cowboy fans start making love connections on this site, it will truly be a sign that the end of the world will be here soon!

Posted by: charlie | July 16, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dealer | July 16, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, thank you for the bad news. i'll be in your shoes for the first preseason game. i guess we could always find it on the internets radios and listen to it. and we'll leave the visuals to peeps up here.

Posted by: dealer | July 16, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Every year there's some nutcase who claims that the world is going to end and year after year after year I need to say it ain't gonna happen - no matter what Nostradamus or the Mayan calender says.

But if Cowboy fans start making love connections on this site, it will truly be a sign that the end of the world will be here soon!

Posted by: charlie | July 16, 2007 01:16 PM

LMGO!!! Best post today

Posted by: jm220 | July 16, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Thus Betts will prove any CP faithful, wrong. But enough of this.....unless someone has better stats to throw out there.

Posted by: skinnyntenny | July 16, 2007 01:07 PM

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Forget stats. Being a former TN resident, I developed a(n) (un)healthy affection for Jack Daniels. Let's say we wager a bottle on who has the better 2007. I say CP in a landslide.

Posted by: JustMe | July 16, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

PJ- So you like sports, and you obviously speak English. According to SMACK's criteria, if you bathe regularly, an RI *gasp* Cowboys love connection could be right around the corner....
Posted by: 4-12 | July 16, 2007 12:57 PM

Speaking of corners, maybe I'll put the old Double-Move on her. Come on now fess up, which one of you guys are playing with my mind.

Posted by: SMACK | July 16, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

CP is a leader on and off the field. As for his toughness - yeah he has been injured but bear in mind he came back from that shoulder injury last year at least a week before he should have to help out the team. That may contribute to his being on a downslide (I have the same worry).

Betts is a good back no doubt with moments of sheer greatness but not sure the leadership is there. And he lost the ball on at least 2 crucial/critical occaisons last year that took the air out of the balloon. I imagine it's hard to get the rest of guys to follow if they constantly fear when you're going to cough it up.

Posted by: sfskin | July 16, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I think we might see both CP and Betts in the backfield every now and then. Both present a threat to run and catch. . . although I'm not familiar enough with Weird Al's 800 pages - does he do stuff like that?

I also wonder - if Betts is all that and a bag of chips why not test the FA market? I hate to be cynical . . .no I don't. . .but in this day and age is anyone a team guy anymore? Yeah he got paid here but there are any # of teams that might have coughed up the $ or more.
This team/system gives him the best chance to shine with a nice fat pay check.

Posted by: sfskin | July 16, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Just, I'll take u up on that wager! Only, not that green label BS. I want the Gentleman!

Christ almighty, this season is going to be so much fun!! I ve read the Post's coverage of the skins for years but I didnt even know about the blog!! You guys...and girls dont know how good it feels to be able to talk about the skins to people other than my dad.....

Cmon preseason!!

Posted by: skinnyntenny | July 16, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

As for Peter King - I go hot and cold on him. Sometimes he's got it right others he's too inlove with the celebrity of it all.

Bear in mind this is the guy who picked Dallas for the SB last year. Also the one nice thing about his list is TB is ranked below us! I really am coming to hate TB!

Here is what is great about the NFL and the parity. Any year is anyone's guess. How often do any of the "pros" get the predictions right?

Posted by: sfskin | July 16, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Are we gonna count injuries? Or more of a Yards/TD/Fumble per touch kinda thing? Cuz when CP breaks something else, i dont want any renigging.

But dont worry, knowing my luck, Ill be shipping to you mate. You have my word.

HAIL!!

Posted by: skinnyntenny | July 16, 2007 1:33 PM | Report abuse

justme, you like jack? but do you like jack with coke or pepsi?

Posted by: dealer | July 16, 2007 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Also although the adrenaline is starting to pump the closer we get to training camp. And the Kool Aid is chilling in the fridge. . . I'm still in the mindset of thinking 9-7 will be a very solid year for us.

Posted by: sfskin | July 16, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Just, I'll take u up on that wager! Only, not that green label BS. I want the Gentleman!

Posted by: skinnyntenny | July 16, 2007 01:30 PM

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skinny,

Gentleman, of course! I try to block the green from my mind. LOL I remember one night when I was in my early 20s and low on money, I decided to give the green label a try. My body didn't even react to it nicely. It made my head hurt -- badly. Since then, it's the good stuff or nothing.

Posted by: JustMe | July 16, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

skinny? you're showing your age more than you're showing your location by comparing injuries.

this is the first time in his career that portis was injured where as last year was the first season that betts stayed healthy in 7 years.

Posted by: dealer | July 16, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

dealer,

If it's Gentleman, I drink it straight up. If it's the black label and I mix it with something, it will be either a little whiskey sour mix or 7up. I *hate* the taste of it with colas. But, there's something about the 7up that I really like with the flavor of the Jack.

Posted by: JustMe | July 16, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

justme, i like coke straight up on rocks myself. i'm just glad you didn't say pepsi.

Posted by: dealer | July 16, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

One of the most fun New Year's Eves I ever had (which mind you is a low bar) was "sipping" Jack and Ginger. Hmmm it tastes like candy!

dealer - Coke always and forever!

Posted by: sfskin | July 16, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, was it you who asked why we love popcorn and how it became a staple of the moviegoing experience?

A question along those lines was asked of the Onion's Q&A feature this past Friday:
http://www.avclub.com/content/feature/ask_the_a_v_club_july_13_2007

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 16, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Just catching up after my week away, is it me or has RI turned into Blind Date while I was away?

I see no mention of last weeks' get-together, does that mean it didn'e happen or is it that no-one who went has yet resurfaced!

Posted by: Redcoat | July 16, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

hey, any of you dweebs want some extra cash? I need my yard mowed and my pool cleaned.

Posted by: Big Pappa | July 16, 2007 2:05 PM | Report abuse

This is an alarming/horrifying story:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070716/ap_on_re_us/neglect_internet_addiction

Make sure nothing even like this ever happens RI'ers!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I have a question which I'm sure has been asked before but I don't remember.

How many Skins fans here on RI go to Cowpaddy blogs?

I'll start. I've never been to such a place. Not sure if that demonstrates taste and intelligence or narrowminded fanaticism. Or both.

Posted by: sfskin | July 16, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

skinny,

I'm not worried about injuries. So, injury or no injury, the winner is the one with the best numbers at the end of the season (in other words, "the Yards/TD/Fumble per touch kinda thing" works just fine).

CP will be a man on a mission this year. It'll be a bad time to bet against him, I think. So, I'll just sit back with my legs crossed and envision the bottle you'll be sending to me each time he breaks those runs where Betts got dragged down from behind by a safety for TDs.

Posted by: JustMe | July 16, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

"How many Skins fans here on RI go to Cowpaddy blogs?"

It's been answered by the fact their fans come here.

Posted by: charlie | July 16, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

so much for hoping when somebody leaves the country they stop "contributing" to the RI blog

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

sfskin et al, you may be too dignified to go on a Cowboys blog, but I assure you, some of your brethren are not.

It doesn't really bother me. I believe in blog desegregation. Heck, our teams do play on the same field now and again, knocking the snot out of each other for three hours. It's the same thing here, but with less snot.

Posted by: SMACK | July 16, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

We have our snotty moments though, don't we, SMACK?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 16, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Actually I'm only here because anonymous is so darn charming.

Posted by: SMACK | July 16, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

so much for hoping when somebody leaves the country they stop "contributing" to the RI blog

Posted by: | July 16, 2007 02:34 PM

hey you chicken-wimp hiding behind anonymous posts,

It's not like you're making any "contributions" by insulting me almost every time I post. Quit hiding and express some intelligent views and stand behind your real name. But somehow, I don't think you have any guts whatsoever and you will continue to post anonymously.

Posted by: charlie | July 16, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Nate's anonymous fan has a blog crush on you now Charlie.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 16, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

SMACK,

Anyway, I'm cool with you here - you know you have to take some knocks being here. I do have other Cowpoke friends.....oooh, I shouldn't have mentioned that! ;-)

Posted by: charlie | July 16, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Charlie, are you going to watch any of the Rugby World Cup while you're in France?

You may not be able to watch much NFL while you're there, but that should go some way to assuaging your need for contact sports.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 16, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Nate's anonymous fan has a blog crush on you now Charlie.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 16, 2007 02:47 PM

Funny, I was going to give up this blog until September but I think I stick around just to irritate anonymous' bowels.

Posted by: charlie | July 16, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

New Post......

Posted by: 4th | July 16, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

not sure if anybody pointed it out yet. There is a new post!

Posted by: gethanr13 | July 16, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

dang, 4th beat me to it

Posted by: gethanr13 | July 16, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat,

Nah, I just don't seem to have any desire to get into rugby.

"but that should go some way to assuaging your need for contact sports."

I will get into the game, coach, involving a contact sport of the non-spectator variety.

Posted by: charlie | July 16, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Have you watched any Charlie? Go to a game - you will be astounded how many eligible women you see there. Which of course brings follow-up opportunities for other contact sports.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 16, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Well, I just might Red, I just might.

Posted by: charlie | July 16, 2007 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Well, sfskin, to answer your question, we who live in this area (you have noticed there are a lot of us here, right?) love to read this blog and laugh at you guys as you get your hopes up in the spring by the reckless and overspending by your "front office" personnel in Ca$hburn through the season as your hopes are dashed game-by-game and you start wondering who you are going to get with the 4th overall pick in the draft (provided Grandpa doesn't trade it away for another Brandon "I'm really an entertainer" Lloyd).

Posted by: Dallas Fan in DC | July 16, 2007 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Coke always and forever!

Posted by: sfskin | July 16, 2007 01:55 PM

what else would you expect a coked up hamster to say?

Posted by: Redskins Willie | July 17, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

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