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A Redskins' Draft Report Card

The draft is over and the Redskins come away with a defensive end, a cornerback, two linebackers, a tight end and a wide receiver. How well do you think the team did this year in picking Brian Orakpo, Kevin Barnes, Cody Glenn, Robert Henson, Eddie Williams and Marko Mitchell?

Mark Maske gives 'em a B -- that's how much he likes Orakpo.

You can include the UDFAs (undrafted free agents) they signed later last night if you'd like. Among those guys are former Missouri quarterback Chase Daniel, Maryland offensive linemen Edwin Williams (not to be confused with Eddie Williams, the tight end they drafted from Idaho) and Scott Burley.

By Cindy Boren  |  April 27, 2009; 6:06 AM ET
 
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after Orakpo the draft was terrible

Posted by: zyvo23 | April 27, 2009 6:48 AM | Report abuse

I still do not understand not picking O linemen. There were some available. I mean, if we got 1 good one out of the last 4 or 5 picks thats better than none. Other than the MD corner, none of those picks will even make the team. If they do they will play special teams.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 27, 2009 6:54 AM | Report abuse

I don't think you can judge this draft or any until about three years have passed, but I am concerned about why the Skins seemed to take players other than Orakpo well ahead of pre-draft projections. Either the Skins know something that Scouts, Inc. doesn't, or it seems we could have gotten better value on Day Two. I would have preferred to see us take either the Vandy CB or the USC East OT in the third round rather than another Terp.

One grand irony of all the board beefing for me: the constant complaints about Cerrato and Snyder not hoarding draft picks. I understand the cap angle and need for youth, but draft picks are only as valuable as the decisions you make with them. Aside from first rounders, the Redskins' record there over the last several years has been pretty spotty. At this stage, I'm not optimistic that Barnes or any of the other Day Twoers will change that grade.

Posted by: MyJobsMyCredit | April 27, 2009 6:55 AM | Report abuse

I see a lot of people voted but didn't justify the grade given. The Skins draft was horrible, F. 2 players from the 6 will make this team and I will say more UDFA will make the team than drafted players

Posted by: PEACE8 | April 27, 2009 7:01 AM | Report abuse

If Orakpo is as good as I expect he will be, the draft is a success. The Skins have hit home runs, in my opinion, on the last few defensive players they've picked in the first round -- Sean T, Landry and Rogers.

Posted by: SkinsFanNYC | April 27, 2009 7:04 AM | Report abuse

after Orakpo the draft was terrible


Posted by: zyvo23 | April 27, 2009 6:48 AM |

Really who do you scout for what team, or are you a scout for ESPN. Becasue if your sitting in an office like I am then you don't know sh!t.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 7:08 AM | Report abuse

The Skins draft was not successful due to the fact that they reached for players on all picks except Orakpo....

Posted by: OLDNOVA1 | April 27, 2009 7:08 AM | Report abuse

Any Terp fans want to give their opinions on Williams and Burley?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 27, 2009 7:16 AM | Report abuse

Overall this was a weak draft after the 2nd round for all teams. Its a crapshoot for any player. We will sign free agent oline. You guys sound like a brokenn record with the oline.

Posted by: toyota44 | April 27, 2009 7:26 AM | Report abuse

Not sure why we didn't draft a O Lineman. I say the draft was a success because we didn't trade for Sanchez. lol

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 27, 2009 7:30 AM | Report abuse

Any draft that doesn't involve offensive lineman (their greatest need) is tantamount to fail in my opinion.

Posted by: Predator48 | April 27, 2009 7:30 AM | Report abuse

At least we didn't do anything stupid like trade up and lose next year's number 1 for Sanchez. Orakpo seem like a good pick.

Posted by: BarackObama | April 27, 2009 7:35 AM | Report abuse

here's the guy the eagles drafted with the NEXT PICK after we took the nebraska kid:

"Tupou has excellent size and brute strength. He also brings an aggressive attitude with his play. However, he is a bit raw in terms of football intelligence and is going to need high reps to fully grasp NFL blocking schemes."

EXACTLY what we needed.

Posted by: divi3 | April 26, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse
I tend to disagree with this statement. I have been a big proponent of getting OL since the off-season began. When ASmith was falling, he was my man. And I argued that we should take MOher if he was available at 13, which he was, or trading down to get an extra 2nd rd pick.

But not to get a "project" like Topou. We already have our projects. Rinehart sounds just like Topou. Same with Batiste. I wanted someone who would be a starter. like top 4 OT, or Mack, Unger or Wood.

I'm not sold on Orakpo, but he seems to be a highly-rated value pick, and if he can play SLB, I'm happy with the pick.

My only argument is that after taking Orakpo, I would have liked to trade up to early 2nd rd to get a stud C/G.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 27, 2009 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: frediefritz | April 27, 2009 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Nice little bell curve in the poll there. And to think that as a teacher, I used to fret when there were mostly A's or F's. Something about societal expectations and nothing of individual achievement or lack thereof.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 27, 2009 7:37 AM | Report abuse

myjobsmycredit: "I don't think you can judge this draft or any until about three years have passed, but I am concerned about why the Skins seemed to take players other than Orakpo well ahead of pre-draft projections."

Some they did, some not. Barnes was projected at 3rd-4th and actually went behind a couple players (Fletcher and Cox) that he was consistently rated superior to. Probably the shoulder injury and the missed games. Same thing happened to Macho Harris -- his poor 40 time dragged this playmaker down a round or two.

Those two LBs were drafted ahead of projection -- especially the Nebraska kid -- but the TE who's actually a FB is a real prospect. He might be a better fit for a WCO (if we ever get to see one at FedEx) than Sellers the All-Pro.


Posted by: Samson151 | April 27, 2009 7:39 AM | Report abuse

I do not want to be a whiner.
I do not want to be viewed as a whiner.

Yet the Skins FO refused to draft OL when they were there for the taking.

And even in Rd 1 with Orakpo.
Our Defense ranked #4 in yards allowed [yes, I know about the lacking number in sacks, and Turnovers forced so save your time] ...

So I ask you reading this:
Was OL not a much greater need than DE and Orakpo [who by the way we are now told the FO is not sure where they are going to play him LB or DE]

I gave them a C- and that was gracious.
And I love the Skins, and hope they prove me wrong, and I don't think I'm whining either, I think I am thinking this through....

Now, I'm willing to listen to those who disagree.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 27, 2009 7:41 AM | Report abuse

In the twisted mind of the two-headed monster named Snyderrato, let's not draft any offensive lineman so as to maximize Jason Cambpell's chances of struggling this year, thus next season when the defense has an even greater year but the offense struggles, you blame it on the qb and thus have more (fabricated) reasons to play hardball during contract negotiations/shop him around to other teams and maybe get a hard on for the next new shiny toy that is a 'franchise qb'.

This beast is so skilled at screwing over players; as outspoken as Portis is about himself, coupled with his 'tightness' with Snyder, where's his mouth now to speak up for JC, unless maybe he doesn't care?

Posted by: pdfordiii | April 27, 2009 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Flounder21:

Thanks flounder. Although judging from yesterday's marathon I wouldn't rule out ESPN experts or NFL GM's. Wasn't it DUNGY who intimated that he influenced the OAKLAND GM to pick HEYWOOD-BAY with the #7 pick? Quite the sardonic smile afterward too.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 27, 2009 7:45 AM | Report abuse

By the way, one of the regulars here (can't recall which one) corrected (correctly) a post saying Gene Monroe of Virginia rated Orakpo as the best he'd ever faced -- right, it was Jason Smith who said that. But Smith did face some serious defensive players at Baylor, which only one four games against a truly difficult schedule. He lined up against Wake, Connecticut, A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Okla State, Missouri, and Nebraska last season alone (as well as the Longhorns). That's probably a better slate of defensive teams than your typical ACC, Big East, or Pac 10 team faced. And being a senior, Jason Smith no doubt lined up against some pretty serious pass rushers in prior seasons, too.

Give Orakpo credit where it's due.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 27, 2009 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we'd stop harping on offensive line if the team would only do something about this obvious need. I cannot believe they didn't draft one offensive lineman in this draft. Even if they had to reach, it still would have been nice to have some youthful depth coming into camp. I think bringing in some young guys last year pushed the vets a little. It's a shame we didn't have higher quality youngsters last year because that depth would have helped at the end of the season when the line was badly broken.

I think Orakpo was a great pick. I think the kid from Maryland could be a find. The two linebackers they picked are special teamers for the foreseeable future and really don't improve the linebacking corps. The tightend / fullback they drafted is undersized and is a dumb pick. The wide receiver they picked will not pan out - the Skins can't develop the wide receivers who were projected to be stars, so how are they going to develop a receiver projected to be a dud?

Vinny deserves to be publicly flogged for both days. For day one, the obvious absence of a second round pick hurt us in a draft where there were a lot of quality players available at that level. On day two, they reached for every pick and still didn't address their obvious needs on the offensive line.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 27, 2009 7:47 AM | Report abuse

The Dynamic Duo are azzclowns.

Screwing-up the Sanchez deal is actually a "win" in my book EXCEPT now JC is definitely a goner after this year. SO... now we have to draft a QB and start over-over there again next year. Oh, and add to that a new coach cause JZ ain't gonna hang on either.

Orapko was an absolute no-brainer at 13. My Momma could've made this pick.

A corner? A nobody TE? And not one OL?

The Eagles improved 2-fold in free agency and the draft so that's 2 less wins and 2 more losses...

Posted by: kone | April 27, 2009 7:48 AM | Report abuse

OT Scott Burley (MD)

QB Chase Daniels (MO)

DE Derek Walker (ILL)

Ronnie Palmer (ASU)

Free Agent signings, unconfirmed

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 7:56 AM | Report abuse

I think the draft is gonna be pretty bad in hindsight.

Neither of those linebackers will be any good, Orakpo might be good, but I was never sold on him.

The CB from the 3rd might pan out, I can't say.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 27, 2009 7:56 AM | Report abuse

From SI.COM

Brian Orakpo/DE/ Washington/13: Orakpo was one of the draft's best athletes and is a terrific football player. He became a bargain once the Buffalo Bills passed him up with the 11th selection.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 27, 2009 7:57 AM | Report abuse

kone,

We beat the Eagles twice last year, they picked up no starters in the draft. Maclin might start but that is it.

If they wanted Sanchez they would have had him, the Jets hardly gave up anything to move up.

We can say no O-line, but a 3rd round O-Linmen is not going to start this year. I agree that O-Line depth should have been added but what O-Line depth would you have gotten rid of to add more.

Current O-Linmen tell me who goes if you draft O-Linemen late in the draft.

78 Batiste, D'Anthony OL 604 313 3 Louisiana-Lafayette 03-29-1982
62 Clark, Devin OL 6-4 312 1 New Mexico 05-22-1986
74 Heyer, Stephon OL 6-6 325 2 Maryland 01-16-1984
63 Montgomery, Will OL 6-3 312 3 Virginia Tech 02-13-1983
71 Riley, Rueben OL 6-4 305 2 Michigan 09-20-1984
75 Rinehart, Chad OL 6-5 311 R Northern Iowa 05-04-1985
72 Ross, Isaiah OL 6-3 320 1 Nevada 11-06-1981
0 Williams, Mike OL 6-6 360 5 Texas 01-11-1980
76 Jansen, Jon OT 6-6 297 10 Michigan 01-28-1976
60 Samuels, Chris OT 6-5 317 9 Alabama 07-28-1977
66 Dockery, Derrick G 6-6 330 6 Texas 09-07-1980
77 Thomas, Randy G 6-5 317 10 Mississippi State 01-19-1976

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Signing Edwin Williams after the draft and getting Orakpo in round one upgrade this to a C-

Signing TE's with blown ACL's and bypassing linemen for undersized DB's is rediculous.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 27, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Orapko will be a great player, they could not pass on him at 13. He was a top 10 talent.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

For the record, I'm not a fan of trying to make Orakpo a linebacker. Let him play his natural position and hope that Wilson or one of those draft picks pans out as a SLB.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 27, 2009 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Signing TE's with blown ACL's and bypassing linemen for undersized DB's is rediculous.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 27, 2009 8:07 AM |

OE,

The DB from Maryland is not undersized and he hits like a Mack truck. I felt they should have gone O-Line there as well, but I still say that O-Linmen would not be playing this year. The DB will play alot this year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse

So if the two make it to the roster we will see 2 jerseys
Edd Williams and Edw Williams.

Nice.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 27, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

OE,

I agree on Orapko there is no reason why he can't put on 10 to 15 pounds of muscle and be a solid DE.

Blache will have to find ways to use him on the D-Line.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

In the article about Toler today:

Toler received a text message from a Redskins scout that read, "The draft room is crazy right now. I wanted to take you, you're already better than three of the DBs on our roster."

Which confirms Danny and Vinny ARE using a Magic 8 Ball

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 27, 2009 8:12 AM | Report abuse

The Redskin's offense going into the 2009/2010 season will be a hold your breathe and hope scenario. At OT's we have Samuels, Jansen/Heyers, G Dockery and Thomas, and C Rabach. We also signed OT/G Williams as a free agent. We are still developing Rinehart and Batiste in backup positions. We have no adequate backup for Rabach and this is a problem. With many teams going to a 3-4 defense, Rabach will be tested, battered and bruised often. Once again we mortgaged the farm for defensive picks and two "I must ahve fell asleep" picks (WR and TE). Unless we are going to use players for trades later this was futile. Orakpo was a great shift in fortune. The LB's acquired I can accept also, even the CB I can accept for grooming purposes, but TE and WR? We needed depth at O-line and we fumbled big time. Grade B, and most of that is for Orakpo acquisition, otherwise D (for dumb).

Posted by: redskingrove | April 27, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Yoder asked about Williams and Burley- They were the anchors of a decent o-line. Burley had the same kind of injury issues that Heyer had but is a big kid and can play multiple positions also tough as nails.

Williams is smart and has good explosion from the lower body, but has a weak top half. He'll be a good back-up C.

So, now if we could just get Leigh Torrence back we'd have Jasno's dream team and be super-bowl bound!

Posted by: LarryBud | April 27, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse

grove,

Edwin Williams played center at UMD and was a pretty good one. Scott Burley was hurt, but was UMD's best overall lineman his Junior year, would have been a 4th rounder or so if he'd stayed healthy.

BTW, UMD is becoming quite the OLine factory.

Posted by: LarryBud | April 27, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

I gotta admit that I actually cheered when I saw the Jets trade into the 5th spot for Sanchez.
I'm glad we got Orakpo at 13, but as for the rest of our picks I'm not sure about. I would have liked to see some OL but I guess the Skins FO followed their board to a T. Who knows maybe the Free Agency OL pickups will be enough to get us through the season wihtout a breakdown. .

Posted by: BostonWarPath | April 27, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

I think we need to look at this situation for what it is. We got a got DE and a potental starter CB in the draft.

The maybe one of the LB's will make the team and the rest get cut. I would have preferred to get some Oline with these picks however we got some young talent to groom in free agency.

We aren't in an ideal spot but I would say the events over the past few days have left us in a slightly better position.

Posted by: Buckleycj | April 27, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

In the last two years we've drafted 2 players from either the O-line or D-Line even though those positions make up about half your teams starting position.

But we've drafted4 pass catchers.

We did not however give away our future for Sanchez so I give it a C+ on the Snyderato curve.

Posted by: Gweez | April 27, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Larry, guess we just have to hope they get coached up like Heyer did.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 27, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Drafting C. Glen in the 5th was pathetic. We could have had that guy for a ham sandwich this morning. Why waste a pick on a project that no other team even had on their draft board?
If we nabbed OT J. Meredith @ pick 158 then the draft suddenly becomes A-/B+ range.

As for now, I gotta go C- at best.

Posted by: elfreako | April 27, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

flounder21 - Eagles plugged several holes on offense; putting Maclin with Jackson, then inside they have Curtis, Baskett, Avant. Finally added a capable backup to oft-injured Westbrook in McCoy. In FA they plugged two OL holes with Andrews and Peters and added the true FB they've been missing. Now on defense who knows. They lost Dawkins and for my money, he was the only player to fear there.

We have pretty much the same pi$$-poor OL we had last year as far as I'm concerned. The re-addition of Dockery is meaningless - he was thrown out by the Bills. Until that unit is improved we will not be able to have any offensive consistency. Johnny U, Joe Monatana, Sanchez, or JC, it does not matter who the QB is.

Who out of the OL on our roster would I replace? ANY ONE OF THEM starting at Samuels and working down, that's who.

Posted by: kone | April 27, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

OE,

I agree on Orapko there is no reason why he can't put on 10 to 15 pounds of muscle and be a solid DE.

Blache will have to find ways to use him on the D-Line.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse


The concerns about Orakpo are

(1) that he would seem to have to put on 10-15 pounds to be an effective every-down LDE in this system

Daniels plays close to 280; Wynn at 295, Evans played close to 290.

Orakpo's been bothered by knee/leg injuries. When you are a workout warrior and put alot of strain on your joints AND try to add bulk/weight AND try to rely on your explosive athleticism, you are a blown-out joint waiting to happen.

I saw it happen with a buddy of mine at UMaryland who was a WR and coaches wanted him to bulk up 10-15 pounds to play TE, and ended up blowing out his knee running a route in a non-contact practice drill.

2) Orakpo has said he is weak at the run and would need to learn to play better at point of attack. And would also seem to need to learn to play SAM, which the coaching staff intends for him to do.

If we need to teach him to play the run AND teach him to play a new position in the NFL, I don't see how he contributes much this year except as a 3rd down pass-rusher (Hello, Chris Wilson!).

Posted by: p1funk | April 27, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

The FO is sabotaging JC by not drafting O-lineman. They want him to fail so they can wash their hands of him after this year.

Theres no other explanation as to why FIVE TIMES in the 5th to 7th rounds we passed on potential STARTING lineman (Meredith, Robinson, Cadogan) for LBs and WRs who probably wont make the team.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 27, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Who out of the OL on our roster would I replace? ANY ONE OF THEM starting at Samuels and working down, that's who.

Posted by: kone | April 27, 2009 8:35 AM |

You'd replace Samuels with a 3rd round pick, I'm glad you are not working for the Skins.

Peters gave up more sacks then any linmen in the league last year, that guy sucks.

We will be no worse then 3-3 in the division.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

i say that its completely hopeless, and the redskins should concede the 2009 season, and just try and regroup in 2010....there is obviously no other option.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

oh, and if things look this bleary in 2010, then they should just dissolve the team......enough is enough....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Ryp,

5th to 7th round draft picks on the O-Line would not have started this year, otherwise they would not have been there in the 5th to 7th rounds.

The Redskins dont have to sabotage JC17, if he has a good year he will get a contract if he doesn't he wont.

You really believe they would waste an entire season to make JC look bad, that is dumb.

If they hated JC17 that much they would just cut him and start Colt.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Brian Mitchell was just on 980 and said he talked to Campbell about the rumors he wanted to be traded if Sanchez was drafted and Campbell said he never said that and had no idea where that came from

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

I dunno, hard to say with this draft. The draft is supposed to improve the team, and while I think other picks were out there to be had, here's my $.02:

Rd 1: A: Orakpo will be an upgrade, even if he underperforms.

Rd 2: F: Bill Parcells is still laughing at this one: Max Unger was on the board

Rd 3: Barnes will compete with Tryon for the 4th CB spot, possible special teams. Not sure why they didn't go for Toler (see today's article about Toler - apparently a Skins scout thought Toler could start for the Skins)

Rd 4: F: Jets used this pick for trade bait to the Lions, we could have gotten the aforementioned Toler here

Rd 5: B: While we do need a LB, the Eagles took an Oregon OT right behind us, an Oklahoma beefcake was within 10 picks, and even Javon Ringer was on the board

Rd 6: A: We'll have to rely on the scouts for this one; nothing else really jumped out in this round

Rd 7: A: Some sites have this guy listed as a FB, some as a TE. I happen to like the theory of an HB, and I can't see the downside of another Cooley-type player, especially given Cooley was our de facto 2nd receiver last year.

Rd 7: F: Given last years investment in our WR corps, it's hard to justify drafting a guy who has ZERO chance of making the team unless we lose a guy in preseason

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 27, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

Your right why bother playing at all, lets be whiny b!tches like most on here and just quit.

The Girls played great this weekend, we had to face the best 10U team in Maryland twice so that sucked, but they finished in 5th place out of 11 teams.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

SHAME ON ESPN.....SHOWING BILL COSBY WITH QUAN COSBY SO MANY TIMES...AND THE DUDE DOESN'T EVEN GET PICKED....FIRST OFF THAT'S WHY I DON'T LISTEN TO DRAFT NICKS....IT WAS A SHAMELESS PLUG FOR BILL COSBY AND AN UPCOMING SHOW.......SHAME...SHAME...SHAME.......

ON A POSITIVE NOTE HAPPY WITH DRAFT....MAYBE THE FO IS FINALLY GETING IT....GOING THE NEW ENGLAND ROUTE IF SO 'BOUT TIME.........

Posted by: BingCreole | April 27, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse


The draft is over and what's done is done.

We got what we needed: some linebackers and a corner.

We got want we wanted: some young lineman to groom.

We got a guy who might be a fine blocking back who can catch.

When you add in the punter, the special teamers, Dock, Hall, R Thomas, Wynn, Daniels, Prince Albert, Moe says the skins had an all-around fine off season.

Finally, when you add in the fact that Jason Campbell remains our starting quarterback, things actually seem pretty good in redskinsland.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

I do not want to be a whiner.
I do not want to be viewed as a whiner.

Yet the Skins FO refused to draft OL when they were there for the taking.

And even in Rd 1 with Orakpo.
Our Defense ranked #4 in yards allowed [yes, I know about the lacking number in sacks, and Turnovers forced so save your time] ...

So I ask you reading this:
Was OL not a much greater need than DE and Orakpo [who by the way we are now told the FO is not sure where they are going to play him LB or DE]

I gave them a C- and that was gracious.
And I love the Skins, and hope they prove me wrong, and I don't think I'm whining either, I think I am thinking this through....

Now, I'm willing to listen to those who disagree.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 27, 2009 7:41 AM | Report abuse

Those are legitimate concerns, RedskinRay. I've expressed them also. But we did go into this draft with shortage of early picks. I can really like O-sack-O if he can play SLB, but not crazy about him at DE. I think he would be mainly a 3rd down rusher there.

We might have traded our #80 pick to move up and get a top 3 C/G. But I think Barnes will be an improvement over Tryon. And we have some alternative options on the O-line now, with Rinehart and Williams(410 #s and all). Williams did start 48 of 51 games that he was active. Just depends on his health.

So we won't label you as a whiner or a wino. Let's keep drinking the kool-aid. Hail!

Posted by: frediefritz | April 27, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

snyderatto....I LIKE it!!!

You're all missing the point. The plan is to stink SO bad next year the Dyanmic Duo can pick between McCoy and Bradford as the new Skins' savior.

Posted by: bundy44 | April 27, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

"The FO is sabotaging JC by not drafting O-lineman. They want him to fail so they can wash their hands of him after this year.

Theres no other explanation as to why FIVE TIMES in the 5th to 7th rounds we passed on potential STARTING lineman (Meredith, Robinson, Cadogan) for LBs and WRs who probably wont make the team.

Posted by: Rypien11 "


Again, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

We've drafted horribly concerning the OL, and we did so again yesterday, but this sabatoge conspiracy is one of the single dumbest ideas ever posted on this board.

If they hated JC so much, I'm pretty sure they'd just cut him/trade him/start someone else before him. Goodness...

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 27, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

So how many sacks does Orapko have to have for it to be considered a good year?

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Flounder - I don't think they want to waste the season, but I think they just don't care enough to get JC help.

It's clear they are not in his corner, and if he doesn't do well this year, they can say, I told you so, we should have gotten rid of him. And all the Colt riders can rejoice.

You're telling me that of all the lineman picked #80 or lower (Barnes is a decent pick, but I think we could have got a player just as good in the later rounds and it wasn't as pressing a need this year), that NONE of them would have been starters or more capable backups than the guys we have now?

Luigs, Long, Kropog, Green, Meredith, Robinson, Shipley, Murtha, Cadogan (who went undrafted but was projected as a late 3rd rounder - hes not worth a 7th round pick?)?

Come on, at our MOST PRESSING NEED, at least one or two of those guys should have got a spot on the roster.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 27, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

also let me say I really like the Chase Daniel selection.


Overall draft gets a C from me. Still can't believe they passed up on Duke Robinson, Herman Johnson, and Jamon Meredith. I think at least two of those could have seriously competed for the starting spot at their respective position.

Even if they wouldn't have though, what did we gain by getting two OLB's no one wants and I can guarantee won't see real defensive snaps this year? Nothing.

And if we were set on OLB, I think we should've stayed at #150 instead of trading back, and we should've taken who MIN took at that spot, OLB Marcus Freeman from Ohio State. Dude was a potential third round pick.

There were LOTS of potential second/third round picks we kept passing up, all the guys I mentioned were projected as high as 2nd/3rd.


The CB and Orakpo are the only two I really have any hope for, and I'm not sold on Orakpo, haven't been for awhile now. Hope I'm very wrong obviously.

I think the CB will be the best player from this draft, and he won't be a fulltime starter. Ouch.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 27, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Truth - it makes them look smarter if JC fails - if they cut him/bench him - then they incite riots.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 27, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

'....The concerns about Orakpo are...'


The concerns about Brian Orakpo are the end result of listening to too much ESPN.

Stop watching ESPN and you'll notice you'll learn more about sports by watching it less.

Think Ken Harvey when you wonder how Orakpo will be used: on two feet on running downs, three-point stance on passing downs.

Only and idiot would have a young guy like him play with a hand on the ground this season.

Point is, Orkapo allows the defense to do some very creative things.

The team could bring Blades on the field and run a 3-4 hybrid with Blades and Fletch in the middle and Rock and Orkapo on the edges (Haynesworth at nose and Carter and Daniels at end).

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

In the twisted mind of the two-headed monster named Snyderrato, let's not draft any offensive lineman so as to maximize Jason Cambpell's chances of struggling this year, thus next season when the defense has an even greater year but the offense struggles, you blame it on the qb and thus have more (fabricated) reasons to play hardball during contract negotiations/shop him around to other teams and maybe get a hard on for the next new shiny toy that is a 'franchise qb'.

This beast is so skilled at screwing over players; as outspoken as Portis is about himself, coupled with his 'tightness' with Snyder, where's his mouth now to speak up for JC, unless maybe he doesn't care?

Posted by: pdfordiii | April 27, 2009 7:44 AM | Report abuse
This is directd at all the conspirator theorists, not just you, pd. The Truth commented on this yesterday, and I agree with him. The Snidely Owl is not trying to run JC and JZ out of town. He is trying, however misguided(Cutler and Sanchez as examples) to make Skins winners. So knock off the conspirator theories.

I was surprised when they didn't take Duke Robinson after he fell to the 4th round. But a lot of other teams were laying off of him also. So there must have been some concers that we didn't hear about.

But this draft has improved the Skins, especially if Orakpo can play Sam on 1st and 2nd downs. Barnes filled a possible need at nickel. And the later picks are for Teams. That's not bad when we only started with 5 picks, and only one on first day.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 27, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

I am just happy we did not draft a QB in the first round. That is what pushed me to go up to C-

Posted by: alex35332 | April 27, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Gweez | April 27, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

You'd replace Samuels with a 3rd round pick, I'm glad you are not working for the Skins
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Yes I would. It's time to rebuild. Yes we'll take our lumps but this 8-8 or back into the pklayoffs at 9-7 crap is just that, crap. I've seen enough of these slow-footed, over paid, spoiled, old guys.

Peters isn't a stud but he's a two time pro bowler and is 28 (+/-).

3-3 in division? Wow, now there's something to be proud of. IF it could happen, which it won't, no way.

Posted by: kone | April 27, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

flounder

'..So how many sacks does Orapko have to have for it to be considered a good year?'

Really, it's a mix of the pressure, strips, sacks, and interceptions he and Prince Al generate.

D Hall helps as he has the ability to take interceptions to the house for 6 or flipping the field--that's why signing him was smart.

Sacks are nice.

But turnovers that stop drives and shorten field are much better.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

You'd replace Samuels with a 3rd round pick, I'm glad you are not working for the Skins
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Yes I would. It's time to rebuild. Yes we'll take our lumps but this 8-8 or back-into the playoffs at 9-7 crap is just that, crap. I've seen enough of these slow-footed, over paid, spoiled, old guys.

Peters isn't a stud but he's a two time pro bowler and is 28 (+/-).

3-3 in division? Wow, now there's something to be proud of. IF it could happen, which it won't, no way.

Posted by: kone | April 27, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

gweez,

thats pretty cool can't wait for the game to come out.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Chase Daniel Gets Into Twitter Battle
Posted by Mike Florio on April 27, 2009, 8:52 a.m.
The proliferation of Twitter continues. Despite the not-that-there’s-anything-wrong-with-that quality of its name, the service has become more and more important to daily human interaction.

It’s like sending an IM to the entire world. (Or, more accurately, to that piece of the world who cares to receive it.)

Suprisingly, Twitter was a big part of draft weekend. On NFL Network (the preferred draft coverage of PFT), Rich Eisen uttered the word more times than Mike Mayock commented on whether a guy has loose or tight hips.

It wasn’t just Eisen who was tweeting. The Commish periodically chimed in, and Brian McCarthy of the league office tweeted most of the first-round pick as Roger Goodell was striding to the podium with the perfect balance of nonchalance and urgency. (Some of the teams, like the Patriots and Falcons, engaged in premature tweeting of their own picks.)

One of the guys whose name wasn’t called by the Commissioner or one of his various official and unofficial designees has been tweeting, too. And he’s gotten into a slap fight with one of our radio friends.

Missouri quarterback Chase Daniels, a big-stats spread offense quarterback who actually might be a few years ahead of his time, sparked the issue with this entry near the end of the draft: “Hearing redskins possibly! Who knows! Free agent might be better!!”

Our pal Chad Dukes of WJFK in D.C. apparently interpreted the comment as a slap at the Redskins, and thus they engaged in a Twitter tussle, culminating in Daniels being invited to appear on the radio show to defend his statement.

We can do it for him. With all due respect to our buddy Chad Dukes, Daniels didn’t mean it as a diss of the ‘Skins. With only seven rounds in the draft, it’s better not to be picked at all than to be picked in the final round.

Why? Because it gives the player maximum flexibility to find a team where he has the best shot of making the 53-man roster or the practice squad.

So it’s not that Daniel didn’t want to play for the Redskins — it’s just that he recognized that, by round seven, being able to pick his team would be more fruitful than being stuck without options.

Of course, the best proof that Daniel wasn’t slamming the ‘Skins is that, once the draft ended, Daniel signed with the Redskins as a free agent.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

I actually liked the draft. I gave them a B overall. At first blush, it looks as if the skins strategy this offseason was to help it's offense start in better field position by becoming more dominate on defense and improving its special teams play. They drafted players that should help make those goals possible.

Posted by: TWISI | April 27, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I'd keep Samuels another 2 year, Dock should be ok for 3-4 years, but C, RG, and RT all have to be replaced by the start of next year, and we should have got some pieces in place this offseason.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 27, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

How do the Giants get the same grade as the Cowboys? Cowboys clearly had the worst of the two teams. Kiper gives the Giants a B+ and the Skins a C+, which I agree with alot more.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 27, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I just realized Kevin Barnes was responsible for that utter mugging of the Cal kid that left him throwing up on the sideline.

Bring him on! (Strong Safety even?)

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 27, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Brian Mitchell was just on 980 and said he talked to Campbell about the rumors he wanted to be traded if Sanchez was drafted and Campbell said he never said that and had no idea where that came from
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In all fairness, what else can he say at this point? Give him credut, he's trying desperately to stay above this mess. He has more class than Danny, Vinny, and Jimmy combined.

Posted by: kone | April 27, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Guys - they drafted a TE. A TE! the one place where we have significant depth and can pick up as other teams make cuts.

Drafting a TE when there are OBVIOUSLY more pressing needs reaks of stupidity.

Posted by: oldnova | April 27, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Drafting a TE when there are OBVIOUSLY more pressing needs reaks of stupidity.

Posted by: oldnova | April 27, 2009 9:20 AM |

He's more of a FB then a TE.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Know I am listening to Big O and Dukes now.


Posted by: alex35332 | April 27, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

"Truth - it makes them look smarter if JC fails - if they cut him/bench him - then they incite riots.

Posted by: Rypien11"

No it doesn't. Not at all. I hate to be harsh but that's a stupid idea.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 27, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

oldnova the TE is going to convert to FB. I think the skins have one FB on the team and that person is currently with holding his services for higher pay.

Posted by: TWISI | April 27, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

kone,

You say JC is classy and he is, so I believe him when he says he never said that, because a classy guy would never say something like that.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Guys - they drafted a TE. A TE! the one place where we have significant depth and can pick up as other teams make cuts.

Drafting a TE when there are OBVIOUSLY more pressing needs reaks of stupidity.

Posted by: oldnova | April 27, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse
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He has FB/HB potential, which is where he is projected to play for the Skins.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 27, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Barnes will be on 980 in a few minutes.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

flounder - You say JC is classy and he is, so I believe him when he says he never said that, because a classy guy would never say something like that.

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don't get me wrong, i believe he didn't say it.

Posted by: kone | April 27, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Guys - they drafted a TE. A TE! the one place where we have significant depth and can pick up as other teams make cuts.

Drafting a TE when there are OBVIOUSLY more pressing needs reaks of stupidity.

Posted by: oldnova | April 27, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

They drafted him as a FB. And apparently they are excited about him. I'm sure he can't block as well as Sellers, but he has better hands, and is probably quicker. Could be a good WCO FB.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 27, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

flound, congrats on the softball stuff from this weekend.

moe, tough series, I'm sure that the first time the sox are in the Bronx, we'll suffer the same results...

draft grades prior to football being played=power rankings

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

He has FB/HB potential, which is where he is projected to play for the Skins.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 27, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Ummmm correct me if I'm wrong but don't we have Cooley, Davis, Yoder, and Sellers? Did we really need a TE that we are going to try and change to a fullback who just blew out his knee when we could have taken an Olineman?

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 27, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

At this point in my Redskins fan career I can only say, "hey I hope it all works out, that would be neat".....

Go Caps, Rock the Red!

Posted by: chrislarry | April 27, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

In concern to this injured "FB" that they drafted, he seems to be the second coming of Nehemia Brighton. What's the point of wasting a pick on a guy who already has a serious injury and no telling when and how effective he'll be when he comes back? Stupid pick..

Posted by: ga8085 | April 27, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

He has FB/HB potential, which is where he is projected to play for the Skins.
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does this mean the end of Sellers who is locking for more $? i sure hope not.

Posted by: kone | April 27, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

"In all fairness, what else can he say at this point? Give him credut, he's trying desperately to stay above this mess. He has more class than Danny, Vinny, and Jimmy combined.


Posted by: kone"

Jeeze. Some of yall are just, I don't know.

Jim Zorn also said that there was never serious thought about drafting Sanchez, and that JC is their starting QB and he's very happy with that.

But big bad Zorn is a twisted liar, right?


I like JC, but good god.

Apparently our front office wants to never win a game this year, JUST so they can tell the posters on this blog "I told you so". They'd rather lose with JC than win with JC or anyone else. That's their ammo this year folks. From the owner all the way to the general manager, they want to lose every game this year, and they are secretly meeting behind closed doors to discuss finding another QB.

Like did yall see they got Chase Daniel? He's in on it, too. How awful! Poor JC, professional athlete that the same front office who is now conspiring against him traded a bunch of picks to get. What did JC do wrong to go from front office favorite to conspiracy victim?


LOL

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 27, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

I really really hope that Jim Zorn mis-spoke when he said they were on pins and needles when waiting to make their 5th and 6th round picks and were actually trying to move up to get them. The two picks were complete wastes. If they had picked up Duke Robinson or the OT from South Carolina with the 5th pick it would have been a very nice draft, and you could understand them being excited that kind of talent was available so late, but they didnt.

I give the offseason a B in total with the FA pickups, and if a couple of the unsigned FA pan out it could be better. I like both players they signed after the draft last night, but which QB do you let go? Your only experienced back-up, or the project you say is much improved from last year? I guess it all delends on just how far Colt has progressed if you can take a chance on letting Collins go because with no OL help, you are sure to need your backup to play this year.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 27, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

draft grade - B

several positins of need were addressed.

if they got an O lineman in the 3rd, I would have given an A.

i hope we re-sign Kendall.

Samuels-Dockery-Rabach-Thomas-Jansen
Heyer- Clark- Williams-Reinhart-Batiste
-Ross- -Montgomery-Riley


just taking a(n) (updated) stab at the depth chart.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 26, 2009 11:35 PM

Still thinknig a B (not A+, A, or B+.....B) slightly better than avg.

1. Orakpo (need + value)
3. Barnes (need)
5. Glenn (need + special teams prospect)
6. Henson (need + S.T. prospect)
*7. Williams (FB more than TE, S.T. prospect, + #2 FB on D.C.)
*7. Mitchell (need + S.T. possibility)

Sure would have been nice to see an O lineman in there somewhere.

But we do have a bunch of new, young, bid OL's on the roster.

And, we got the BUGES

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Truth -

You can spin it any way you want, but if they wanted JC and the offense to improve, and they wanted to protect JC and have him be the QB of this team into the future, they would have got line help. There were plenty of chances to do so.

I don't fault the Orakpo pick, but there were plenty of chances after that. Could even have traded next years 3rd or something.

The fact that they didn't shows that they really don't care about the development of JC and the offense - theyre just willing to take whatever they get this year and if its bad and they need to start over after this year, so be it.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 27, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Zorn likes JC. Snyderatto obviously doesn't. And theyre the ones who make the decisions.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 27, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Yesterday I read where they compared Orakpo to Demarcus Ware, in that they're similar in build, and their games are somewhat similar. I'm hoping that Blache takes this cat and moves him all around the field. I think putting him exclusively at DE would diminish his effectiveness.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

OE,

I agree on Orapko there is no reason why he can't put on 10 to 15 pounds of muscle and be a solid DE.

Blache will have to find ways to use him on the D-Line.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse


The concerns about Orakpo are

(1) that he would seem to have to put on 10-15 pounds to be an effective every-down LDE in this system

Daniels plays close to 280; Wynn at 295, Evans played close to 290.

Orakpo's been bothered by knee/leg injuries. When you are a workout warrior and put alot of strain on your joints AND try to add bulk/weight AND try to rely on your explosive athleticism, you are a blown-out joint waiting to happen.

I saw it happen with a buddy of mine at UMaryland who was a WR and coaches wanted him to bulk up 10-15 pounds to play TE, and ended up blowing out his knee running a route in a non-contact practice drill.

2) Orakpo has said he is weak at the run and would need to learn to play better at point of attack. And would also seem to need to learn to play SAM, which the coaching staff intends for him to do.

If we need to teach him to play the run AND teach him to play a new position in the NFL, I don't see how he contributes much this year except as a 3rd down pass-rusher (Hello, Chris Wilson!).

Posted by: p1funk | April 27, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

i agree p1funk...if he adds more weight he will lose more agility and speed to get to the qb. they drafted him as a pass rusher, not as a run stopper like wynn/daniels.also, blanche rotates lineman anyway so he wont play every down.

Posted by: SKIN4LIFE05 | April 27, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

OE,

I agree on Orapko there is no reason why he can't put on 10 to 15 pounds of muscle and be a solid DE.

Blache will have to find ways to use him on the D-Line.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse


The concerns about Orakpo are

(1) that he would seem to have to put on 10-15 pounds to be an effective every-down LDE in this system

Daniels plays close to 280; Wynn at 295, Evans played close to 290.

Orakpo's been bothered by knee/leg injuries. When you are a workout warrior and put alot of strain on your joints AND try to add bulk/weight AND try to rely on your explosive athleticism, you are a blown-out joint waiting to happen.

I saw it happen with a buddy of mine at UMaryland who was a WR and coaches wanted him to bulk up 10-15 pounds to play TE, and ended up blowing out his knee running a route in a non-contact practice drill.

2) Orakpo has said he is weak at the run and would need to learn to play better at point of attack. And would also seem to need to learn to play SAM, which the coaching staff intends for him to do.

If we need to teach him to play the run AND teach him to play a new position in the NFL, I don't see how he contributes much this year except as a 3rd down pass-rusher (Hello, Chris Wilson!).

Posted by: p1funk | April 27, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

i agree p1funk...if he adds more weight he will lose more agility and speed to get to the qb. they drafted him as a pass rusher, not as a run stopper like wynn/daniels.also, blanche rotates lineman anyway so he wont play every down.

Posted by: SKIN4LIFE05 | April 27, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

B-town Greg is correct. They should look to utilize the skill sets Orakpo has and not force him into being what he is not. At least initially.

Good coaches design schemes to talent available, not force the talent into predetermined schemes.

Kean Beatrice used to preach that back in the day. I loved me some Ken Beatrice!

Posted by: chrislarry | April 27, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Grading the draft now is both dumb and fun. Sort of like life.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 27, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Overall this was a weak draft after the 2nd round for all teams. Its a crapshoot for any player. We will sign free agent oline. You guys sound like a brokenn record with the oline.

Posted by: toyota44

To you adn all other broken records FO apologists: We sound like a broken record about the Oline because the Oline is still broken.

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Maske:objectivity::Redskins:Super Bowl

It's ridiculous that he gave the Redskins draft a B and the Giants a C-. Fact: Jerry Reese's track record as GM is fairly impeccable. Fact: Vinny and Danny not so much (Fred and Malcolm and Devin were AWESOME last year). Fact: they traded away a second round pick for the corpse of Jason Taylor, which should effect the draft grade. Fact: many scouts question whether Orakpo can be effective against the run in the NFL.

The Giants needed a receiver and they got a receiver, rather than being held up by the browns or the cards. They also needed a linebacker and got Sintim - good need pick. There's also nothing to say that they can't now make a trade for Boldin or Edwards.

Maske, what'd you give the Redskins draft last year?

Posted by: killercarlson | April 27, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

But D Ware plays in a 3-4. So I don't know how that will transition over to Blatche's disciplined scheme.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

cl, I'd move him around EVERY down. LDE, LOLB, RDE, ROLB, MLB. put this cat in positions where he can wreak havoc. If AH is lined up at DE on 3rd down, I'd put Rak on his outside shoulder, and start a jail-break...

how's the baby...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Have to laugh at sports radio and their contention that JC should "be upset" about "the way he's been treated."

I love JC, and I have high hopes that he'll have a great season, but he doesn't done anything to remember in this league yet, and at the end of the day it's a business.

I think he knows that, even if the talking heads don't.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 27, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Something that I think all of us should keep in mind is that all we have to go on when rating these picks is second hand information. We can look up info about these players on the internet, maybe watch a highlight reel, read what someone else thinks, but that's it.

The redskins scouts get to see these guys in person, watch extensive game tape on them, and have far more experience evaluating talent than any of us.

It's amusing that so many people think that just because they read a dozen articles about oline prospects, they instantly know more and have more credibility than all of the Redskins scouts. Further, in doing their online research, they instantly can denounce the Redskins draft as a complete failure and that the Redskins will suck this year.

All because they watched some videos online and read what some internet websites had to say. Awesome

Posted by: -swb | April 27, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Truth -

You can spin it any way you want, but if they wanted JC and the offense to improve, and they wanted to protect JC and have him be the QB of this team into the future, they would have got line help. There were plenty of chances to do so.

I don't fault the Orakpo pick, but there were plenty of chances after that. Could even have traded next years 3rd or something.

The fact that they didn't shows that they really don't care about the development of JC and the offense - theyre just willing to take whatever they get this year and if its bad and they need to start over after this year, so be it.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 27, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse
Come on, Ryp. What it shows is that when they got to the 3rd pick, no one on the board compared favorably with Williams, Rinehart. The top C/G's, who could have competed for a starting slot, were gone. So they didn't waste the 3rd pick on someone who would only compete for a backup slot. Instead, they filled a possible nickel slot on D.

Forget about the conspiracy theories. These guys did do the scouting, and compared draftees with who is already on the roster. Apparently they were comfortable with who has already been signed.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 27, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

hasn't done anything*

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 27, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

OK, I just watched some video of Barnes and I retract my prior statement. That dude looks legit.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 27, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Give Orakpo credit where it's due.

Posted by: Samson151

Let's say he's ROY and All-Pro. Skins still likely blew the draft.

EVERY expert I've heard said the Giants and Philly had a superb draft. The Redskins, having traded away high picks forplayers no lomnger in football, were screwed to start.

The "reaches" after Orakpo in many cases were cause by the inept draft last year. They took--among othr things a CB becaue Tryon stunk, and a couple of receievrs to replace the one that stunk last year.

You don't have ot be a rocket surgeon to know the team lost ground to division rivals who were already loaded.


Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I am ok with this draft. We needed an OLB, a DE, an OT, a CB, and a change of pace RB.

We got a DE, a CB, and a couple of LB's. I was hoping for an OT as well, but I can't be that upset. I know that they did call for Sanchez, but I am happy that they didn't offer next years number 1.

Posted by: moosepod | April 27, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Brian Mitchell was just on 980 and said he talked to Campbell about the rumors he wanted to be traded if Sanchez was drafted and Campbell said he never said that and had no idea where that came from

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 8:46 AM |

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If true, that sux.. Turn public opinion against a popular QB before trading him.
It seems to be the same MO that the Redskins PR used when Spags turned down the Head Coaching position offered to him by Snyder last year.
I am not a fan of JC's play.. .but I was of his professional demeanor until that quote came out.. Now it would appear, if Mitchell is accurate, that the quote was Redskins Park PR abating public backlash in the event of a JC Draft day trade.
More corporate games from Snyder...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 27, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

"But D Ware plays in a 3-4. So I don't know how that will transition over to Blatche's disciplined scheme....."

Wait, did you call Orakpo a bust overall or just for the Skins? Pretty sure you didn't clarify it with defensive schemes.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 27, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

The thing that amazes me is how anybody cannot think this draft was anything but a gigantic f-up. Anybody who knows anything about football has been saying for 5 years now that we need to get some young oline talent. Anybody who watched last year saw that our Oline, particularly the right side was overmatched in almost every game. And it has been painfully obvious that our line is injury prone and lacks depth. Everyone on here, every draft guide, every scout, analyst, and even our own team admitted we needed oline help specifically at RT but at C and RG as well. This offseason we replaced Kendall with Dockery, which is certainly an improvement for the long haul as Dockery will play for many more years and Kendall may have one left, but Kendall was solid last year and arguably our best lineman so in immediate terms its kind of a wash at LG. Our only other addition is a 410 pound former bust who has been out of football for a while and everyone thinks this was a successful draft?!?!? Last year with 10 picks we took two wide receivers, a tight end, and a corner. This year with 6 picks we make 3 repeats? And we take two LBs that most people didn't even rate as likely to be drafted after we took Orakpo who we say will play LB, all this after they move Wilson to LB, and after signing Thomas. So that means at LB options before the draft we have Thomas, Fincher, Blades, Fletcher, McIntosh, Wilson and then in round 1 we added Orakpo. Did we really need to use two draft picks for one position where more than likely only one guy makes the roster and most likely we could have gotten either one of the guys off the street or somebody with a very similar skill set for nothing when some quality line prospects we're still available?

As a Tryon hater and thinking he was a wasted pick last year I understand the Barnes pick and I'm ok with it. I even get the argument for the Orakpo pick, I don't love it, but I get it. But after that, the rest of the draft until the WR flier late was inexcusable. With a compensatory pick in the late 7th a flier on a physically gifted WR after last year's no show by Kelly and Thomas I can't fault. But to have the chance to add some real oline prospects/projects to the mix and to instead take too undersized questionable projects at LB and then a TE with a blown out knee that you going to try to make into a fullback and then feed us a line that these were the best guys on your board at the time?!?!?!?!?! That's just idiotic, inexcusable, and if its true that their board said that all of them should be fired right now and taken into the street and beat mercilessly for their stupidity.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 27, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Watching Vinny and Danny compete against the brain trust of the Giants, Philly, NE, Jacksonville, Jets, hell, even Cincy in this past draft, was like watching the Washington Generals play against the Harlem Globetrotters.

Say--that's a good nickname for the front office Brain Trust. The Washington Generals.

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I don't know much about the players drafted aside from Orakpo and Barnes. Getting Orakpo at #13 from what I've heard of him prior to the draft seems like a bargain if he can stay healthy...

sure it would have been nice to see an OT come along, but there was a run on them obviously before we went at #13 and then again near the beginning of the third.

The picks seemed fine, I just wish they had more of them.

Posted by: showell81 | April 27, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

bean

'...tough series, I'm sure that the first time the sox are in the Bronx, we'll suffer the same results...'


Tough series....?

The Yanks got exposed: there's nothing at the bottom of their order but ground outs, pop ups, double play outs, and money-spent disappointment.

Materson is one good pitcher. And Ellsbury stealing home: when does that ever happen?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Beantown, agreed about moving him around....Baby is great, thanks for asking...she is already developing a big demanding fun obnoxious opinionated personality...we are shocked at where that might come from....

I think Blache already was scheming to better use Jay Tay.....which is why they felt good about Orakpo....

but who knows...

Posted by: chrislarry | April 27, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

You can grade drafts based on a team addressing needs..Taking WR, an injured FB, and a OLB who with only 1yr experience and at the position doesn't address needs. I would of liked to see the Skins atleast try to move back up in the late 1st or 2nd round to get Oher or Beatty (not sold on Loadholt). But hey, maybe they weren't impressed with Oher or Beatty. After all, when you have Jansen, the sky's the limit.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 27, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Brian Mitchell was just on 980 and said he talked to Campbell about the rumors he wanted to be traded if Sanchez was drafted and Campbell said he never said that and had no idea where that came from

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 8:46 AM |
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It came from sports radio and writers/bloggers who create these rumors to fill time/space.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 27, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse


... The top C/G's, who could have competed for a starting slot, were gone. So they didn't waste the 3rd pick on someone who would only compete for a backup slot. Instead, they filled a possible nickel slot on D.


Posted by: frediefritz

You CAN'T spin this as a positive, sorry. The reason the Redskins had to pick a nickle is because they blew their pick for one last year. Similarly, they spent two picks this year on a TE and a WR because they failed in picking those positions last year.

Give em time, yeah yeah. This isn't just me SAYING it. This is the Redskins FO DOING it, by re-drafting the same positions they drafted for last year.

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Yes, they should have taken on offensive lineman or two. HOWEVER - 5th round offensive lineman are usually not going to be seen as starters in their first year, and maybe not even their second - so the phrase "pissing in the wind" comes to mind. It's amazing how many people here confuse the concept of potential vs. actual talent and honestly assume that by taking an offensive lineman in the later rounds that our problems will be solved. Not to say they should not have taken some one to try to coach up, but it's not as big a freakin' deal as everyone is making.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | April 27, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Mista m,

I am with you as a Yankees fan, buy wasnt it their pitching that was more exposed than their hitting?

Boston is obviously a better squad in any way you slice the pie...

Posted by: chrislarry | April 27, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

No O help this year for JC... Is Danny taking the poison pill for 2009 to grab a QB golden boy from the 2010 Draft..Bradford, Tebow, McCoy..??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 27, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Cork, those same "experts" were also saying that this was not a very deep draft. Belicheck said before the draft that this was not a good draft and wanted (and did) to trade out of the first round. He also traded some of his third round picks for 2010 2nd rounders. This was the draft to not have many picks.

So I would not praise the jints or iggles with gaining ground on the Skins.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 27, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins cornerback depth chart:

Hall
Rogers
Smoot
Barnes
Tyron
Westbrook

It's a passing league, people.

Having four corners is a must, and our top four compare quite nicely when you glance around the league.

Any team that utilizes four/three-wide sets will not have a mismatch against us if Barnes comes in to play nickle corner.

We've all seen the video of him lightin' up the clueless Cal kid, meaning he can play fearless run support, too.

Using Orakpo like a Ken Harvey to help Prince Al and Carter generate pressure should give us more INTs, tipped passes, and an occasional touchdown or long return.

Again: this was a good draft, and when you see it in the light of all the other players we've added, things look good in redskinsland.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

That was a dumb draft, on multiple levels.

Orakpo could be great, but was a late faller down draft boards. That sometimes suggests that teams (other than the 'Skins) have 'found out' something about him. With his knee problems and transformation from skinny basketball prospect to raging man-beast, this could suggest Merriman-esque issues.

Barnes seems an OK pick, but no better than the multiple O-linemen which were available, and which we desperately needed more. Those of you who are critical of posters who keep harping on this point obviously do not understand football and/or did not watch the team last year. All of our line is a year older, in its 30s, with its linchpins - Thomas and Samuels - coming off serious injuries. An unbelievable, unnecessary and staggering omission.

We overreached for players that were projected to go lower or not be drafted at all when we could have had signed some of them for nothing.

We had no 2nd or 4th rounder due to past poor decisions, with some excellent starter prospects available in the 2nd round when we would have picked. The draft is not just the picks you make during D-Day, but those decisions and picks you make before it and must be factored into any grade.

Our top three picks, and most of the rest, all have histories of injuries.

We picked a linebacker prospect at five, with some good O-lineman prospects left, who has played less than one college season at the position.

On the plus side, Orakpo, if he pans out, could be a good, nasty addition. Barnes may also turn out to be a fearsome playmaker (although I fear that we are grooming him to take over Rogers' position, which would ultimately be a huge mistake). Maybe one of those later picks will turn out to be another Horton, although I doubt it. We at least didn't trade any of next year's picks away. Overall, I give the Skins a solid D, with possible chance for a C if Orakpo delivers and some later round players become more than special teams guys and an F if what scared other teams about Orakpo materializes.

Posted by: SammyT1 | April 27, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I think Zorn and the FO have really taken to Gibbs' running scheme.

We could be seeing more of the singleback - 2 TE offense with Davis and Cooley. We added an H Back. We have a pro-bowl HB and FB.

We have 7 +300 lb. OL with

We needed Offense -or- we needed Sacks & Turnovers.

Defense is probably easier to draft because it requires a bit more athleticism.

We went for Sacks & Turnovers


Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Come on, Ryp. What it shows is that when they got to the 3rd pick, no one on the board compared favorably with Williams, Rinehart. The top C/G's, who could have competed for a starting slot, were gone. So they didn't waste the 3rd pick on someone who would only compete for a backup slot. Instead, they filled a possible nickel slot on D.

Forget about the conspiracy theories. These guys did do the scouting, and compared draftees with who is already on the roster. Apparently they were comfortable with who has already been signed.

Posted by: frediefritz

You're talking about 410 pound Mike Williams, who won't make the practice squad, and Rinehart, who coaches have no confidence in and didn't sniff the field last year, even with a rash of injuries?

The nickel slot I can understand, although I think that could have waited a year until Smoot was gone.

But come on, you're telling me that no one from #80 on down had a SHOT of being a starter? Or a better backup than the scrubs we have?

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 27, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I agree that some of the later picks were questionable, but what OL were they supposed to draft in the fifth round? They invested a pick on guard last year, lets see how he does. They may even get Kendall back. We have a potentially solid DE and a good sized corner. Everyone should be happy that as of right now we have seven picks next year.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 27, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

JLAC quoted NFL sources.. not bloggers..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/23/AR2009042304673.html


Brian Mitchell was just on 980 and said he talked to Campbell about the rumors he wanted to be traded if Sanchez was drafted and Campbell said he never said that and had no idea where that came from

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 8:46 AM |
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It came from sports radio and writers/bloggers who create these rumors to fill time/space.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 27, 2009 10:01 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 27, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

moe, get a-rod back in that lineup, and you guys will be fine, hitting is not even close to your problem. The steal of home was all on Ellsbury too, tito didn't give him the sign to do it.


cl, no idea where she'd get that personality....really a mystery....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

chrislarry

The Yanks pitching has had games where its given up 16, 22, plus runs more than a couple times.

My thinking early on was that the Yanks would lose a lot of low scoring games because of the suspect defense.

Well, they play good d, but teams are hitting the pitching early on in the season, and that ain't ever good.

And I'm wondering if the whole Gardner/Cabrera centerfield idea should be scrapped. Bring on Austin Jackson or Shelley Duncan: they hit much better.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Yes, they should have taken on offensive lineman or two. HOWEVER - 5th round offensive lineman are usually not going to be seen as starters in their first year, and maybe not even their second - so the phrase "pissing in the wind" comes to mind. It's amazing how many people here confuse the concept of potential vs. actual talent and honestly assume that by taking an offensive lineman in the later rounds that our problems will be solved. Not to say they should not have taken some one to try to coach up, but it's not as big a freakin' deal as everyone is making.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | April 27, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

that kind of reasoning is why we are where we are. Of course a 5th round pick probably isn't a starter.....but neither are the freaking two LBs, WR, and TE they took. By never drafting young lineman you never have the shot of a young cheap durable player providing depth and perhaps developing into a starter. Every other team in the league besides the Raiders took at least one offensive lineman. I wonder why most other teams have good lines and we don't? Go team by team and look at the starters, not every lineman on every team is a top round pick that started as a rookie. Most were mid to late round picks that played a game or two a season as depth for injured starters and developed into starters as vets cycled out at the end of their careers. We never have that option cause we refuse to build our line in the draft, so we always have to overpay to get starters when our old starters leave and we have no good young depth behind them so if one or two get hurt our season tanks and we perennially finish in the middle of the pack despite annually one of the highest payrolls and almost always the biggest names/flashiest pickups. When you're weak at the core it doesn't matter whats outside.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 27, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Reese has had success, but his drafts have not been "impeccable" as one of the posters above stated.

The Giants 2008 draft:

1 31 (31) Kenny Phillips S Miami (FL)
2 32 (63) Terrell Thomas CB USC
3 32 (95) Mario Manningham WR Michigan
4 24 (123) Bryan Kehl OLB Brigham Young
5 30 (165) Jonathan Goff ILB Vanderbilt
6 32 (198) Andre' Woodson QB Kentucky
6* 33 (199) Robert Henderson DE Southern Miss
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Phillips played 16 games, but still didn't have the stats (tackles, assists, INTs) that Chris Horton did for the Skins, and Manningham had 4 catches for 27 yards.

Not saying Manningham is a bust, but then neither is Thomas or Kelly.... yet.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 27, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I love how people think Mike "I haven't played football in 3 seasons" Williams is an instant upgrade. Unicorns such as...

Posted by: chrislarry | April 27, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

If true, that sux.. Turn public opinion against a popular QB before trading him.
It seems to be the same MO that the Redskins PR used when Spags turned down the Head Coaching position offered to him by Snyder last year.
I am not a fan of JC's play.. .but I was of his professional demeanor until that quote came out.. Now it would appear, if Mitchell is accurate, that the quote was Redskins Park PR abating public backlash in the event of a JC Draft day trade.
More corporate games from Snyder...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

I don't agree with this statement at all. Vinny was actually asked about the "Campbell wanting out" rumors (before the draft) and he said they had heard nothing about that from either Campbell or his agent. Not that Vinny is trustworthy but this is something he probably would have admitted to if it were true.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 27, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I agree that some of the later picks were questionable, but what OL were they supposed to draft in the fifth round? They invested a pick on guard last year, lets see how he does. They may even get Kendall back. We have a potentially solid DE and a good sized corner. Everyone should be happy that as of right now we have seven picks next year.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 27, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Duke Robinson, Jamon Meredith, the LSU T/G and many other options were there and from where we traded down from in the 5th to like 4 picks after we took our RB oh excuse me our LB, 6 olineman were taken.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 27, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

ZJFR2 - thank you for doing all the long typing for me.

My opinion = zjfr2 +1.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 27, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I love how people think Mike "I haven't played football in 3 seasons" Williams is an instant upgrade. Unicorns such as...


I can only speak for myself, but I dont think people view him as an instant upgrade. I view him as somebody who is just as good as anybody that we would have drafted in the fifth or sixth round, has nfl experience, and probably could play guard. If he makes the team I dont think he will start, but they didnt give up anything to get him so what is the big deal? If he works out great if not we did not invest anything meaningful in him.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 27, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Re-post from last night, on why the Redskins went in the direction they did:

I highly, highly doubt the FO is "sabotaging" JC17. What they may be doing, however, is preparing for the very real possibility of a new offense in 2010.

For the past couple weeks, as the Sanchez talks heated up, I posted about how drafting a guy like Sanchez would be a bad idea due to the uncertainty of the head coaching position going into the future. I know everyone's heard the names ad nauseum, but there will be some serious coaching candidates on the market next year. And given Zorn's less-than-stellar work with the offense, I don't see Snyder giving an unconditional leash to work his way into production.

Having said that, what might have gone into play here is the idea that Snyder doesn't want to blow draft picks on guys that may not factor into the future. Two of the names that would most certainly circle head coaching speculation should Zorn flop are Mike Shanahan and Bill Cowher. The two of them run completely separate systems that require nearly completely different players. This includes offensive line as well. Shanahan prefers lighter, quicker linemen to run a zone-blocking scheme, whereas Cowher prefers the beefier, wear-you-down linemen employed in a power-blocking scheme. Snyder wouldn't want high picks spent on one type of lineman if the other type was needed when the new coach stepped in. I know it may be a reach, but I could certainly see something like this playing in to decisions.

So what Snyder could essentially be saying to himself is "either these guys (JC and Zorn) make it work with what we have now, or we're scrapping this and rebuilding from square one in 2010." If Zorn and JC succeed, great, they build on what they have. If they don't, then he brings in a new coach, and he gives the new guy full reigns on his preference of players. Blache, on the other hand, seems like he's here for as long as he likes, and even if he decides to retire, Jerry Gray could step right in and take over much like Blache did. This defense will be here regardless of which prospective big name coach steps in. Thus the risk level with defensive picks is much lower, given the situation.

Is this idea a reach? Possibly. What can I say, I'm hungover and exhausted. Two Caps playoff games in 3 days plus 1.5 days of puzzling draft picks can do that to you.

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2009 10:42 PM

Posted by: psps23 | April 27, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

'...We went for Sacks & Turnovers...'


We sure did, thank god.

Sacks, pressures, turnovers usually result unnerve a quarterback and make him ineffective in some way.

Look at the top defenses in the league minus ours: they get INTs, sacks, turnovers and whatnot which keep their offenses on the field or shorten the field for quick scores.

Again: we've made some good additions.

Folks should chill about the no drafting lineman issue as not a one of them would've started or be that dominant this season anyway.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

On an up note for you Yankee fans.. The Steinbrenner family may have to sell the Franchise if they cant sell out the new GaBillion dollar stadium. Anybody else see those emtpy $2500 seats at the last Yankee home game??
Ahh.. it could be the reverse curse of the Bambino....for demolishing the house he built.... Should of renovated the stadium like the red sox did... By not doing so, the Yankees lost all the tourist coming to see Yankee Stadium..


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Mista m,

I am with you as a Yankees fan, buy wasnt it their pitching that was more exposed than their hitting?

Boston is obviously a better squad in any way you slice the pie...

Posted by: chrislarry | April 27, 2009 10:06 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 27, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I give them a D for the draft. I'm good with the first two picks. We needed a DE and a CB that can take over the nickel spot.

The rest of those picks... it looks like they were drafting for the Practice Squad. I think they whiffed in the 5th hoping Meridith or Tupou would be there in the 6th or 7th. I don't care how athletic Glenn is but he is a huge project at OLB and that was a luxury pick considering Meridith and Tupou were available.

Just crazy... draft for special teams before filling my critical needs like depth on the O-line. I just PRAY the O-line does not collapse AGAIN down the stretch.

Posted by: GiveMeTheBall | April 27, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

The DB from Maryland is not undersized and he hits like a Mack truck. I felt they should have gone O-Line there as well, but I still say that O-Linmen would not be playing this year. The DB will play alot this year.

Posted by: Flounder21 ****

I would rather read he covers receivers tighter than a drum over, he hits like a mack truck. The hits are overrated IMO like the dunks in B-ball. All highlight reel stuff. Darrell Green, Pat Fisher, Deangelo Hall, Carlos Rogers, Champ Bailey.... I don't read stuff like they hit super hard, but they cover up the WR's they are on.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 27, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Folks should chill about the no drafting lineman issue as not a one of them would've started or be that dominant this season anyway.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

and you're an idiot.....fine Orakpo and Barnes, great picks, but you're trying to say the two LBs and the TE will be starters and dominant to the point that we could have used young talented bigs to back up our current old injury prone starters? Come on.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 27, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Wait, did you call Orakpo a bust overall or just for the Skins? Pretty sure you didn't clarify it with defensive schemes.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 27, 2009 9:56 AM

I called him the biggest potential bust of the Draft (with Oher 2nd) overall. And I said he wouldn't fit a 4-3 because of size as a LDE.

But, now that he is with the Redskins, I support him 100% and hope for sucess and his knee will be ok.

Now, I see this as Carter's last year. He restructured his contract where I think we can cut him next year being unCAPped and we can move Orakpo over to RDE full time next year.

I'm sure he will play this year, but I doubt it is the level everyone is expecting. Defensive line is now our deepest area, with the secondary in 2nd.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

So, Lisa, who the h=ll was JLAC quoting when he said NFL sources...?? And if he was just quoting a rumor blog..et al.. JC should have his Atty on WaPo's editorial a$$..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/23/AR2009042304673.html

If true, that sux.. Turn public opinion against a popular QB before trading him.
It seems to be the same MO that the Redskins PR used when Spags turned down the Head Coaching position offered to him by Snyder last year.
I am not a fan of JC's play.. .but I was of his professional demeanor until that quote came out.. Now it would appear, if Mitchell is accurate, that the quote was Redskins Park PR abating public backlash in the event of a JC Draft day trade.
More corporate games from Snyder...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

I don't agree with this statement at all. Vinny was actually asked about the "Campbell wanting out" rumors (before the draft) and he said they had heard nothing about that from either Campbell or his agent. Not that Vinny is trustworthy but this is something he probably would have admitted to if it were true.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 27, 2009 10:16 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 27, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Orakpo could be a great pick, I would have liked Oher there, but fine whatever, Barnes, a good pick, I'm fine with it. But if our team had Duke, Boone, Meredith, Xavier Fulton, Tupou, or Herman Johnson we'd all feel a little better than a converted rb who got sued for a ticket scalping incident and suspended with 50 some career tackles.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 27, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I don't agree with this statement at all. Vinny was actually asked about the "Campbell wanting out" rumors (before the draft) and he said they had heard nothing about that from either Campbell or his agent. Not that Vinny is trustworthy but this is something he probably would have admitted to if it were true.


Posted by: Lisa_R | April 27, 2009 10:16 AM


His agent could be the only source to Steve Wyche and Sal....

Also, Like I said, No worries because the Skins weren't really pressed about drafting Sanchez.....

My man Jackson went 3rd overall....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I think I know why Mike Williams was signed.

Dan Snyder's next movie project is a remake of Wildcats. Williams will play Finch.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 27, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I called him the biggest potential bust of the Draft (with Oher 2nd) overall. And I said he wouldn't fit a 4-3 because of size as a LDE.

But, now that he is with the Redskins, I support him 100% and hope for sucess and his knee will be ok.

Now, I see this as Carter's last year. He restructured his contract where I think we can cut him next year being unCAPped and we can move Orakpo over to RDE full time next year.

I'm sure he will play this year, but I doubt it is the level everyone is expecting. Defensive line is now our deepest area, with the secondary in 2nd.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 10:24 AM |
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Orakpo is 6' 3", 263.... Osi Umenyiora is 6' 3", 261.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 27, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

anyone hear of any undrafted guys they signed yet, apart from what has already been reported.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Orakpo looks like a perfectly solid choice, and as to the rest I'm not qualified to comment, though I Googled Edwin Williams and am impressed with his record at Maryland.

"Edwin Williams, Maryland: The overall world-class depth of this year's center class is driving down the value of good players like Williams. Because he isn't the tremendous athlete of the top of the class, teams can expect to start bidding for his services later in the second day, and they may just get a steal. Williams had the admiration of his teammates and coaches for his leadership both on and off the field, and he could be counted on to disrupt surprise-blitzers and to call the exotic defensive plays correctly for his team. Adequate strength and speed, with excellent short-area quickness and a great explosion off the snap, he can be beaten by quicker defenders consistently, and struggles to maintain longer blocks on the stronger players. Overall a solid player with limited upside but who could provide dependable depth for years."

Posted by: Tedskins1 | April 27, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

anyone hear of any undrafted guys they signed yet, apart from what has already been reported.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

why you hoping like I am for some OFFENSIVE LINEMAN LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE FREAKING DRAFTED?

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 27, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

The best thing to come out of the draft that no one is discussing is the fact that Jason Campbell remains our starting quarterback.

The team didn't mortgage the future to get some 22 year old underprepared photo-genic Trojan: yippee, anyone?

And anyone who's hated on Campbell-Moe included-will be forgiven provided he remembers the following:

The maturation of Jason Campbell is the most important issue facing the Washington Redskins. He should be given the time and space to prove his worth on the field.

The polite and earnest demeanor he put forth during a time when multiple trade winds swirled about his name speaks volumes about his character.

We have a very good young quarterback, people. And whereas he may not have the best o-line to play behind, he won't complain about it in the way we've complained about him.

Maybe that's a lesson from him we could all learn.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Also, it's painfully obvious the Skins were going for the home run draft here. Every player they drafted, save for maybe the ILB from TCU, had one thing in common in their anaylses:

Major. Upside.

Barnes was a potential 1st rounder before his season ended. Big corner, makes plays on the ball, dynamic hitter.

The OLB from Nebraska was a converted RB, and per scouting reports, was considered a "revelation" following the position change. By all accounts he seems supremely athletic, the type of guy that you'd want to drop in coverage from the OLB spot (if he develops properly).

The TE, same thing, would have gone higher if not for the injury. Another versatile weapon to put out on the field, and hopefully take over for Sellers one day (albeit in a different role).

And everyone knows about Orakpo's ability.

The real concern comes from the injury standpoint. All of the above guys missed time during their careers, most of them significant time. So again, they're banking on these guys being able to keep themselves on the field, something that hasn't been too kind to this franchise as of late. But one thing I do like is that our defensive coaching staff does do numbers with little-known players, particularly in the secondary and in the linebacking corp. That's something to keep in mind when projecting how these guys play out.

Posted by: psps23 | April 27, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Do prospects get tested for steroids by the NFL prior to the Draft? Or do they join the NFLPA before the Draft and acquire that same protection that NFL players have?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 27, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

greg,

Thats it for now.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

The OLB from Nebraska was a converted RB, and per scouting reports, was considered a "revelation" following the position change. By all accounts he seems supremely athletic, the type of guy that you'd want to drop in coverage from the OLB spot (if he develops properly).

Posted by: psps23 | April 27, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

He can also hook you up with Club seats.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 27, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

we could have used young talented bigs to back up our current old injury prone starters? Come on.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 27, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse


How talented are they if they are hanging around in the later rounds? For every late round success story there are 30-40 guys who dont even make the team or they hang around a few years until the organization realizes the cannot help the team. Remember Mark Wilson, Jim Molinaro, Kili Lefotu? What happened to those young talented bigs?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 27, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

lsskin,

The hitting remark was to counter the undersized remark, the guy is a good cover guy and has good speed.

Carlos Rogers is a big hitter as well.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

zj, I'm gonna get crazy here, so stay with me. Yeah, we all kind of wish they picked up some OL guys, but lets see what the guys they did pick can do, thats the crazy part, letting them actually play football....try and wrap your mind around it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 10:24 AM |
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Orakpo is 6' 3", 263.... Osi Umenyiora is 6' 3", 261.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 27, 2009 10:27 AM


Vernon Gohlston is 6' 4", 264 lbs.


So, what is your point now?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

mrredskin: "The Giants 2008 draft:
1 31 (31) Kenny Phillips S Miami (FL)
2 32 (63) Terrell Thomas CB USC
3 32 (95) Mario Manningham WR Michigan
4 24 (123) Bryan Kehl OLB Brigham Young
5 30 (165) Jonathan Goff ILB Vanderbilt
6 32 (198) Andre' Woodson QB Kentucky
6* 33 (199) Robert Henderson DE S. Miss"

Yes, looking at other teams' drafts does help provide perspective.

The Jints' target in 08 was the DB, and both Phillips and Thomas played quite a bit, though mostly on special teams. Phillips did get 2 starts, Thomas 3. Jury's out on them as well as LB Kehl (2 starts). Jonathan Goff was a 2 tackles nonfactor and neither Woodson nor Henderson played.

Drafts like that are hard to evaluate, and maybe the '3 year' rule applies most. You're starting with a strong club with relatively few holes, but one that was coming off a disappointing end to the season: a home loss to Philly, an embarrassing road loss at Dallas, and a squeaker loss at the Vikings. That's what motivated the DB picks, and the results so far have been inconclusive.

Still, using Belichick's rule, if after a couple season you've got three legit players out that crop, you're doing OK.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 27, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

So, what is your point now?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 10:35 AM |
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My point is people saying Orakpo is "undersized" are wrong.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 27, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

zfjr

'...and you're an idiot....'


Yes: I am an idiot.

But you've spent the morning complaining that the team didn't draft linemen as if my complaining could somehow reverse time and change history--something which, only an idiot would do.

So the team didn't draft linemen, so????

Move on, bro'. Whining about not getting what you want defines 4 year olds and whorish women who need to be pimp slapped.

And this idiot hits real hard, b!tch.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Gohlston could still be good, lets see what Rex Ryan does with him. 4th you routinely say you can't judge players after 1 year, and correctly so. Yet then flag Gohlston as a bust to flog your same point.

Weak.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 27, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

They lucked out a couple years ago when they found Heyer, a guy that looks like he'll have a successful NFL career as a quality backup. Now, they've gone back to the UMD-undrafted well hoping for the same or better results. Danny & Vinnie seem to view OL as unskilled labor, not worthy of using up valuable draft picks. Look for them to be signing guys up at the Home Depot parking lot.

Posted by: nonsensical2001 | April 27, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

But you can't compare him to Osi. Osi is legit and has made it. Orakpo has to go through the same process which I hope he does, but he won't be Osi this year. Osi wasn't Osi until year 3 or so.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

OK. I may be the first to do this, but I am going on record. Jon Jansen WILL be the starter and have a solid season. I think there is enough evidence to show that the types of injuries Jansen suffered (achilles, then the dislocated ankle, broken bone) take two seasons to recover from. He came to workouts this off season with his body fat reduced by 8%. He is older but I truly believe Jansen is the starter and performs well this season... Rip away!

Posted by: Club320 | April 27, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

He has FB/HB potential, which is where he is projected to play for the Skins.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 27, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Ummmm correct me if I'm wrong but don't we have Cooley, Davis, Yoder, and Sellers? Did we really need a TE that we are going to try and change to a fullback who just blew out his knee when we could have taken an Olineman?

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 27, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse
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Davis and Yoder are traditional TEs, Cooley is an HB, and Sellers a FB. They aren't really interchangeable.

Anyway, I wouldn't argue the point about an O-lineman, but the kid does get high marks for making plays, which seemed to be the theme of the draft over character, durability, or experience.

Last year they kind of went the same route (with the playmakers) and the results weren't stellar, but there is no arguing that Thomas, Kelly, and Davis have the tools to make plays in the NFL, and if they do this year, all will be forgiven.

Further thoughts on the O-line. With another year under his belt, not to mention the experience replacing Samuels, Heyer should finally beat out Jansen at RT.

Dockery isn't a massive upgrade, but he improves the over all line picture.

A projected lineup of Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Thomas, and Heyer would average under 30 years of age, with old man Thomas being one of the few bright spots on our line the past few years.

Samuels is still the wild card unless this colossal Mike Williams character has anything left in the tank. Heyer simply isn't good enough to play LT, an certainly isn't good enough to cover for the deficiencies on the other side of Jansen has to start.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 27, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

4th: " called him the biggest potential bust of the Draft (with Oher 2nd) overall. And I said he wouldn't fit a 4-3 because of size as a LDE."

Biggest potential bust of the draft? Either of those two QBs, of course.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 27, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Oh, I'm not comparing him to Osi re play, I'm comparing him to Osi re size... For that matter, Dexter Manley was even smaller than Orakpo, at 6'3" 253, and I have no doubt Manley could play in today's game and dominate.... perhaps this time he would avoid the cocaine and have a longer career.

At any rate, if Orakpo is a bust, it won't be because of his height/weight.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 27, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

zj, I'm gonna get crazy here, so stay with me. Yeah, we all kind of wish they picked up some OL guys, but lets see what the guys they did pick can do, thats the crazy part, letting them actually play football....try and wrap your mind around it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

All of you are still missing the point, just like Snyderratto. Yeah its exciting that the guys they took are physically gifted and may develop, but its about needs and our oline is way way overdue for help. No they wouldn't have gotten a starter in the 5th round, but they didn't get a starter with their converted LB project either, every good team drafts at least one lineman late most every year. Its about stocking your team with young potentials at other than QB the most important unit on any team. Will every one of them hit and develop? of course not, but some will and at worst they provide you with young cheap backups so that you don't end up in a situation with an undrafted rookie as your starter (heyer) one of the highest paid tackles in the league (Jansen) as his projected backup, and a 450 bust who has been out of football as your salvation plan. Overtime with the consistent picking of one or tow late round lineman you will develop legit players. To say wait and see if two project linebackers develop ignores that not only was this a dumb draft but that our entire drafting philosophy is idiotic and its no wonder why we have an overpaid, old, injury prone line.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 27, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Cl - Maybe I incorrectly interepited (sp?) Mr. R21'a analysis of my analysis.

I still think Gohlston can be successful, but I just don't feel comparrison's to Ware and Osi (for Oarakpo) are usable at this moment. I hope he can jump into it, but he hasn't done anything to warrant that. He is just a pass rusher (this year). Not a run stopper. Not a coverage guy. Pass Rusher like the media called our 2nd rounders pass catchers......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

obviously heyer is not a rookie, I meant he was undrafted and has serious questions still.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 27, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Got ya R21......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

In the last two years we have had 16 picks and have drafted exactly 1 offensive lineman. That says it all right there.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 27, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

zj, you're not listening, so like moe suggested, perhaps less posting, and more time spent on that time machine is in order....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Pretty good draft - I like the DB, big WR and west coast FB we picked up, but the linebackers appear to be of the Dallas Sartz variety

Posted by: coparker5 | April 27, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

zjfr2 there isn't really much difference between a late round prospect and a FA prospect. If the skins bring in 3 or more ubdrafted FA OL players over the next two days, they are effectively getting the same developmental player you are talking about. I think it is best to wait and see which players they bring in.

Posted by: TWISI | April 27, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

zj, you're not listening, so like moe suggested, perhaps less posting, and more time spent on that time machine is in order....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

and you can just go on thinking everything is fine in Redskins land, nothing to see here, another great draft, and we can't do anything about it so we should all just happy go lucky keep supporting the idiots in charge with no opinion or logic or feelings of our own except "go redskins" vinny is the best wait and see.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 27, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

'....The concerns about Orakpo are...'

The concerns about Brian Orakpo are the end result of listening to too much ESPN.

Stop watching ESPN and you'll notice you'll learn more about sports by watching it less.

Think Ken Harvey when you wonder how Orakpo will be used: on two feet on running downs, three-point stance on passing downs.

Only and idiot would have a young guy like him play with a hand on the ground this season.

Point is, Orkapo allows the defense to do some very creative things.

The team could bring Blades on the field and run a 3-4 hybrid with Blades and Fletch in the middle and Rock and Orkapo on the edges (Haynesworth at nose and Carter and Daniels at end).

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Ha! Moe is calling other people idiots right before he unveils his brilliant notion that we move to a 3-4 hybrid defense with Blades...

Maybe you should listen to more ESPN and turn off the Madden, at least your ideas would be based on real life scenarios...

Look.

Orakpo is not an LDE in this defense. Just like Taylor was not an LDE in this defense. Maybe on the right side, but not in the current scheme. Maybe we change up the scheme a little bit and Orakpo can wander around and make plays. But he is not a linebacker and would need to be groomed for this role.

Orakpo also doesn't play the run well - HE SAID IT HIMSELF. That is the primary role of the LDE in this scheme. He's also not an SAM - we would need to teach him this role.

It's not that I don't like Orakpo. It is that I'm not crazy about Orakpo AT #13 FOR THIS DEFENSE.

We were ranked 4th last year with less talent...why change the scheme? It's working!

You can make me the argument that Orakpo was the best talent at the pick and we couldn't trade down - fine. OK.

But that means we simply made the most of the opportunity, it does not mean it was a brilliant pick.


Posted by: p1funk | April 27, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

OK. I may be the first to do this, but I am going on record. Jon Jansen WILL be the starter and have a solid season. I think there is enough evidence to show that the types of injuries Jansen suffered (achilles, then the dislocated ankle, broken bone) take two seasons to recover from. He came to workouts this off season with his body fat reduced by 8%. He is older but I truly believe Jansen is the starter and performs well this season... Rip away!

Posted by: Club320 | April 27, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse
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That may be true but Jansen is due for his biannual freakish injury this year. Besides, last year with Jansen and Samuels they could run either way and pass block the backside. With Heyer in, they couldn't run left OR block the backside.

I still think Heyer beats out Jansen though, given his starting experience on the left side last year.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 27, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | April 27, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Not much difference between a 5th rounder and an undrafted FA? Really? then why don't they just stop the draft after round 1 since there's no difference.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 27, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I'm just glad we didn't trade away all of next year's picks. Based on the interviews I saw, we would have easily traded some high picks in next year's draft to move up and get Orakpo and Barnes. Luckily, the other teams were not willing to allow us to throw away picks for players they knew would drop to us.

Posted by: BT23 | April 27, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

They drafted one tight end and signed two more free agent tight ends. Sounds to me like they plan on making some moves with tight ends. Is this just that Yoder is on the bubble or are they thinking about trading Cooley or Sleepy? Clevelnad trding Winslow to Tampa Bay so they could use a great pass catching tight end. The Redskins have demonstrated a lack of faith in Campbell and Cleveland has Brady Quinn on the bench. Could we see a Campbell plus Cooley trade for Brady Quinn?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 27, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

"The polite and earnest demeanor he put forth during a time when multiple trade winds swirled about his name speaks volumes about his character.

Posted by: MistaMoe"

Jeeze come on now.

What would you expect him to do? Only Jay Cutler is dumb enough to screw up that situation worse. JC would have to be a moron to act any different than he did.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 27, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"In concern to this injured "FB" that they drafted, he seems to be the second coming of Nehemia Brighton. What's the point of wasting a pick on a guy who already has a serious injury and no telling when and how effective he'll be when he comes back? Stupid pick..Posted by: ga8085"

Nah, Broughton's a short-yardage running back. This guy is versatile.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 27, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins are not going to trade Cooley.

Posted by: BT23 | April 27, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

It seems p1funk has spoken more eloquntly my concerns of Orakpo than I could have.

I don't know what ESPN was saying but NFLN people were bagging on him hard, but I saw what they were talking about (not going hard every play and being handled by a TE in one game and Jason Smith in another).

That's why I think the ultimate end game here is Orakpo replacing Andre Carter @ RDE next season full time and he'll be playing part time this situationally on passing downs and we will NOT see him at all in a 2 point stances, unless he is rushing from a 2 point stances......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Brady Quinn is awful.

But there's a fair question, WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH ALL THESE TIGHT ENDS?


jeeze, it's like we want to have the deepest stable of tight ends in the league...

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 27, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Chris Cooley would be an immediate 11 mil. cap hit if traded, it can't happen so shut up about it an move on.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

zj, again, you're not listening.

All I'm saying is that the draft is now whats called, "history" they cannot change what is done....so if you must continue to piss and whine, can you do so elsewhere....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I disagree with calling Cooley a H-Back (please write that right HB=Half Back, H-Back = FB/TE hybrid)

Anyway Cooley is what I consider an X-player, he can play FB,TE, and WR. He is like a R. Bush, a guy who can just line up anywhere and does what he does.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 27, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Is it me, or do our draft picks/signings look like risk riddled with injury? We already have problems keeping current players on the field (e.g., Malcolm Kelly, Erasmus James, Linebacker, Cornerback, O-line). OK, ex-roster players Marcus Washington, Jason Taylor and Shawn Springs were aging and/or oft-injured. Yet, is our draft strategy to find steals by hoping that, through PT, we can prevent recurring injuries from manifesting?

Eddie Williams - "Williams suffered a knee ligament injury in mid-November sidelining him for the remainder of the season."

Kevin Barnes - "His senior season ended prematurely when he fractured his shoulder blade."

Cody Glenn - "Glenn has struggled with foot injuries during his college career..."

Mike Williams - "He has struggled with injuries during his career, including a sore back that limited him in his final year at Buffalo..."

Posted by: rogerwallison | April 27, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Looking at the NFC East,

It appears it will be Us vs. Philly for the Division Title and Dallas and NYG will be taking the year off......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I see they picked up Scott Burley and Edwin Williams. Solid lineman that probably will compete at the level of anyone else we would have picked up in the 7th round. I still say we could have done much better with Duke Robinson in the 5th. I understand wanting to bolster the LB core, but either of those guys, especially the 5th rounder would have been available after the draft. Probably the TE as well.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 27, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

"That's why I think the ultimate end game here is Orakpo replacing Andre Carter @ RDE next season full time and he'll be playing part time this situationally on passing downs and we will NOT see him at all in a 2 point stances, unless he is rushing from a 2 point stances......

Posted by: 4thFloor"

And there is nothing wrong with that. At first he'll be a rotational pass-rusher (which is very much a need, let's not kid ourselves), and later he'll be a full-time DE, hopefully a dominant one. That's very much worth the 13th overall selection.

Posted by: psps23 | April 27, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

INSTANT UPGRADE FROM LADELL BETTS....

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Cardinals Expected to Release James
The Arizona Cardinals reportedly are expected to release tailback Edgerrin James.

The Arizona Republic reported that the move could occur before the defending NFC champions have a minicamp this weekend.

The Cardinals selected Ohio State running back Chris (Beanie) Wells in the first round of the NFL draft Saturday.

James had wanted out of Arizona at times last season. He lost his starting job at one point to rookie Tim Hightower. But the Cardinals went back to James as their primary runner during their playoff run to the Super Bowl, and they kept James on the roster so far this offseason.

James ran for 514 yards for the Cardinals in 13 regular season games last season, seven of which he started. That ended a string of five straight 1,000-yard rushing seasons.

He has played three seasons with the Cardinals after seven seasons with the Indianapolis Colts and has rushed for 12,121 career yards.

James turns 31 in August.

By Mark Maske |

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Orakpo on 980 just said Snyder was the greatest owner in football.

Which brought involuntary laughter from my cube.

Posted by: Predator48 | April 27, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

What's wrong with pissing and whining about the redskins draft. What else do we have to talk about. Anyway the header of the post is Redskins Draft Grades. Seems to me that opens up the post for draft reflections...

Posted by: Gweez | April 27, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

zjfr2 I'm attaching this link so you can understand what I'm saying. One little piece of information in the article is the revelation that the team that has the least drafted players on its roster over the last three years is the Patriots, third worst Steelers. Theses two teams do a good job of finding undrafted players to fill the bottom of their rosters. Of course some successful teams like the Colts and Jints draft well and those players contribute to their teams success. Here's a quote form the article.
"The bottom line: Drafting NFL-caliber players is very important, but it doesn't necessarily equal success on the field. Finding other strategies to plug the gaps, like the Patriots and Steelers have done, is essential. So don't judge your team's success at the end of draft day. Wait to see how it all plays out--and watch for what your team does to boost draft deficiencies."

http://www.forbes.com/2009/04/08/nfl-draft-teams-lifestyle-sports-nfl-draft.html

Posted by: TWISI | April 27, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Mr Redskin - keep in mind that Phillips was splitting time with Butler, who's now in St. Louis. His stats should go up when he gets more PT. You're not going to hear me bash Horton, who was a heck of a player period, and for a seventh round pick, unbelievably solid. But given the redskins draft history under Vinny and Danny, you have to say this looks like the case of a blind squirrel finding a nut.

Thomas moved into the nickel as the season went on. Manningham is a rookie receiver, didn't look good, but not ready to write him off yet - obviously this year a crucial year for him (as it is for Kelly, Thomas, et al.). Kehl played and contributed - may have even gotten a start or two early.

With respect to Jerry Reese, I think his 2007 draft class buys him a lot of street cred. Contributors up and down the draft, from Aaron Ross to Ahmad Bradshaw. Just sayin'.

Posted by: killercarlson | April 27, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

By the way, there must be some reason why Duke Robinson fell so hard. Could it be testing positive?

Posted by: psps23 | April 27, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I see they picked up Scott Burley and Edwin Williams. Solid lineman that probably will compete at the level of anyone else we would have picked up in the 7th round. I still say we could have done much better with Duke Robinson in the 5th. I understand wanting to bolster the LB core, but either of those guys, especially the 5th rounder would have been available after the draft. Probably the TE as well.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 27, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Thank you, that's my point, Duke at one point was said to be a 2nd rounder, he fell big time, but in the 5th????

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 27, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

But that means we simply made the most of the opportunity, it does not mean it was a brilliant pick.


Posted by: p1funk | April 27, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse
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You'd be hard pressed to argue that making the most of opportunity is not brilliance.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 27, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Coach Zorn keeps emailing me.

This is the 3rd time this offseason he has been trying to pimp Skins season tickets to me........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Looking at the NFC East,

It appears it will be Us vs. Philly for the Division Title and Dallas and NYG will be taking the year off......

Posted by: 4thFloor

Is this a joke?

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 27, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I agree with using some 3-4 looks on third down, but not with Horatio Benedict on the field. As big as Daniels/Wynn are for DEs and as athletic/relatively lean Corn Griffin is for a DT, coupled with now having a true NT in Haynesworth, there's the "3" portion of the 3-4 right there. Then keep London Baker and Rock Mac back while bringing Orakpo and Carter off the edges. That should give Carter some wider angles to get around the tackle.

Posted by: PatM1 | April 27, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | April 27, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Looking at the NFC East,

It appears it will be Us vs. Philly for the Division Title and Dallas and NYG will be taking the year off......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Really? What on earth makes you think the Giants will be taking the year off? Wishful thinking me thinks.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 27, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Well the Redskins did not draft a replacement for Campbell, however they should have. While I am glad they did not trade up to get Sanchez, look at it this way: Campbell is in the final year of his contract, the Skins will not offer an extension until midway though the season at earliest, if he is having a great season. They will wait to see how he progresses this year, and that assumes he will even be interested in signing with the Skins. If he has a great year it will be time for him to get paid and given all the Skins have done to him, he is definitely not going to give them a hometown discount. So my guess is either way we will have a new starting QB in 2010. Way to go Synder and "crazy eyes" Cerrato.
Oh the rest of the draft, after the first pick, pretty much what you would expect from this group of clueless idiots at Redskins Park. Why the hell couldn't Jack Kent Cooke leave the team to his son like a normal father? That choice has cast a curse on this franchise.

Posted by: timchadwick | April 27, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Really? What on earth makes you think the Giants will be taking the year off? Wishful thinking me thinks.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 27, 2009 11:17 AM

The only game the Giants won during the Paxico A.D. era is one. And that was against us.

They have not shown anything to say they are still legit. And they lost Derrick Ward. That's 2 offensive weapons lost. JAcobs will be asked to carry the ball more.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Cerrato, you did a good job. Have to give you credit when you get it right.

We got a much needed DE who even as a rookie outweighs Andre Carter and should be able to rush the passer on 3rd down in a way that Daniels and Wynn can not.

We got a fast but powerful CB to replace the exit of Springs. What team is going to throw well against Rogers, Hall, Smoot, Barnes, Landry, and Horton with a good pass rush staring their QB in the face?

These two picks alone are a heck of an upgrade that will produce more 3 and outs.

You add to that an OLB who had 5.5 tackles per game in his first year playing the position. A guy who played RB and therefore understands the thought process is going to sniff out plays and be where he supposed to be. Nice developmental player pick.

I give them a solid B for this draft. Need based picks at the top end and two Maryland Linemen as UDFA.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | April 27, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I think we're prime candidates for a FAIL.ORG posting!!

lmao.

yeah, I just don't get not picking up O-Line.

Fail.org

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 27, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Looking at the NFC East,

It appears it will be Us vs. Philly for the Division Title and Dallas and NYG will be taking the year off......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse
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I really dont agree with you there.

Philly ditched a ton of talent on both sides of the ball and are without question rebuilding.

The Giants still have that monster front 7 on D, a solid offensive line, and a stable of RBs. They will be fine without Plax.

The Cowboys likewise got rid of their most cancerous players and very well may have gotten better on offense as a result. Defense is a wild card, but I definitely dont see them taking the year off

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 27, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

matt, how do the cowboys replace to's production?? Roy Williams was a collossal failure last year.

And replacing plax is gonna be a steep process for the giants.

As much as TO, and Plax are idiots, for different reasons, they were/are very talented players.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

ranking division finishes in april=power rankings=mock drafts

Posted by: chrislarry | April 27, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

anyone else not know about Cooley's two torn meniscus' in his left knee he mentions in this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ6Q6eWXHmw&feature=pyv&ad=3592175298&kw=chris%20cooley&gclid=COyqgeyukZoCFSbxDAodngJDFA

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 27, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

And the defense? They're just as good if not better with Osi coming back. They picked up some solid LB's as well. Bradshaw will take over for Ward and be effective and they will find a way to adjust not having Plax anymore. They're still the cream of the crop, and I shudder to think about game one having they're D line go against the Skins O line.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 27, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I think both the Giants and Dallas will recover from the WR loss enough given training camp/prep....Roy Williams didnt forget how to play. I don't see a huge fall off.

The NFC east is a war of attrition anyway. All 4 teams have a punchers chance at surviving.

But if you are not scared of the Eagles upgrade at both Otackle slots, you should be.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 27, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Also, anybody know where Brannan Sutherland FB UGA went or did he get picked up after the draft?

I would've liked to see us draft him, he's a darn good fullback.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 27, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

truth

'...What would you expect him (Jason Campbell) to do? JC would have to be a moron to act any different than he did....'


If this was a battle in cynicism, I'd win.

But it's not, and at some point, folks need to see in Campbell the stability and continuity and maturity that so many pro athletes today don't possess.

And you're missing my overall point: we didn't mortgage the future to get another quarterback, we don't have a quarterback controversy, and finally, we have an adult managing the position.

Perhaps the newness of this--stability-- is such that most redskins fans don't understand what it is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I don't think there is a such thing as "Not going hard on every play".

If you slack off on an NFL field, you'll get killed - literally. So to say that Orakpo doesn't play with focus and tenacity on every down is bullcrap.

Look, these "draft experts" have to find something negative about these prospects, so their knock on Orakpo is that he doesn't "Go hard on every down".

And as for NFLN or ESPN showing tape of him getting stifled by a TE, I say: Who gives a damn? ...like there hasn't been anyone in the history of the game that hasn't been beat.

I wished they would've drafted help along the offensive line, but they look intent on having a top 5 or 3 defense for the next few years. I liked the CB pick (what becomes of Tryon and Rogers now?) and I like the LBs they picked - WHO CARES if they weren't on Kiper's, Mayock's, or McShay's "McBoard"?

Most of the guys drafted won't go on to do anything of significance in the NFL, so before we rip Snyder and Cerrato, again, lets actually try and take a few positives from this draft instead of whining like a bunch of spoiled brats because you didn't get the GI Joe with the Kung-Fu grip Christmas morning.

This draft is a win for the 'skins and their fans, because they didn't trade up for Mark Sanchez, but with the level or whining going on today you could've sworn they did.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 27, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

The Giants got a 1, two 2s, two 3s, and a 4,5,6, and 7. Maske gives them a C-.

The Skins got a 1,3, 5,6,7, and 7 and get a B from Maske.

This proves to the skeptics that you don't need to build with the draft, that quality depth on your team is irrelevant, that you can trade away your picks for washed up veterans all you want. It shows that two 7th round picks are better than two 2s, an extra 3 and a 4th rounder. You can do without all the top picks and still get better results than those who hoard their draft picks.

Maske is right! The Giants better watch out for the Skins this year, and into the future years as well.


Posted by: EdDC | April 27, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Ward and Bradsaw are 2 different RBs.

Giants front 7 is stout. Secondary, no so much.

Cowgirl's have nothing.

Philly to me is finally trying to get weapons on O. But there Secondary is suspect as well.

And ChRis LarRy should be on CAPS blog in April.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Dude 4th, doing double time...dont slag my Caps worship...its in full effect...

Remind me again 4th which RB was the number 2 banana and the other hurt during Giants SB run????

Posted by: chrislarry | April 27, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

The Cowgirls suck and have for the last 13 years, but it's funny how they get a pass and the Skins who have atleast one a playoff game recently get pounded all the time.

Cowgirls don't make the playoffs this year guaranteed.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Red - Dude, you gotta look at both sides. A top 15 pick should never be handled by a TE by himself in freakin college. Never.

But I'm not here to knock him....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Floud, I sort of agree the cowboys could be in for a rough year...but I also just feel the NFC east is bunched up real tight...we wont know until October really how it might shake out....

Posted by: chrislarry | April 27, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Bradshaw was getting his man during the playoof/SB run.......

Which was 2 years ago...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

4th, those clips, Orakpo was hardly handled...much ado about nothing...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

The Cowgirls suck and have for the last 13 years, but it's funny how they get a pass and the Skins who have atleast one a playoff game recently get pounded all the time.

Cowgirls don't make the playoffs this year guaranteed.

Posted by: Flounder21

Totally agree with you on this one. Not saying the Skins are great but if you going to blast one you should the other.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 27, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

UDFA list from the Skins blog (apologize in advance if this has already been posted):


Chase Daniel, QB, Missouri
Edwin Williams, C, Maryland
Scott Burley, OL, Maryland
Robert Agnone, TE, Delaware
Devin Frischknecht, TE, Washington State
John Halman, WR, Concordia
Jaison Williams, WR, Oregon
Derek Walker, DE, Illinois
Antonio Dixon, DT, Miami (FL)
Brigham Harwell, DT, UCLA
Ronnie Palmer, LB, Arizona
Lendy Holmes, S, Oklahoma
Doug Dutch, CB, Michigan

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 27, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

True CL,

We will have to wait and see how it unfolds, one major injury on any of these teams could put that team at the bottom.

I like the division overall I think it will be very competative, and do really well against the rest of the league.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Also, I thought the Patriots had by the far the best draft.

Ridiculously good, thought they could've went in a couple other directions here and there, but look :

34 Patrick Chung S Oregon - little early, not a huge fan of him, but 5/10

40 Ron Brace DT Boston College - very solid pick, 8/10

41 Darius Butler CB UConn - great pick, 8/10

58 Sebastian Vollmer OT Houston - not familiar with him, 5/10

83 Brandon Tate WR UNC - great pick, might be better than Hakeem Nicks, just as explosive IMO 9/10

97 Tyrone McKenzie OLB South Florida - one of my favorite mid-round linebackers in the draft, he's a playmaker 10/10

123 Rich Ohrnberger G Penn State - not familiar with him, 5/10

170 George Bussey G Louisville - not too familiar with him, 5/10

198 Jake Ingram LS Hawaii - lolongsnapper 0/10

207 Myron Pryor DT Kentucky - great value pick, 7/10

232 Julian Edelman WR Kent State - can't really say, 5/10

234 Darryl Richard DT Georgia Tech - not familiar with him particularly, but GT had a lot of talent on their DL last year. 6.5/10


by contrast :

13 Brian Orakpo DE Texas - according to most, good value. As someone here said, should be an upgrade whether or not he performs to potential. 9/10

80 Kevin Barnes CB Maryland - good pick, I was surprised at first but looks to be a player. 8/10

158 Cody Glenn OLB/HB Nebraska - awful pick, 9 games experience a OLB. Has shown potential, but Duke Robinson, Herman Johnson, and Jamon Meredith were all on the board, and all went within the next 10-15 picks. 2/10

186 Robert Henson OLB TCU - better pick than Glenn @ 158 and probably a better all-around player than Glenn. He would've been about a 5/10 if picked at #158, but I'll give a 6.5/10 for the pick here. Okay value.

221 Eddie Williams TE Idaho - 0/10 awful pick

243 Marko Mitchell WR Nevada - big guy, I'm okay with this pick as the last pick, if only the picks between this and our 2nd pick had been a lot different. 5.5/10

also, I just saw that Succuop from USC was Mr. Irrelevant. Couldn't be more fitting for a former Gamecock! LMAO

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 27, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I really like the center from MD, hoepfully they will not let him get taken off the practice squad like they did with Crummey.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

This draft was a win for Shanahan.. No lost picks and he gets to build the Offense his way, next year...with possibly a Bradford, or McCoy or Tebow thrown in if some "move up" deals are made..

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

This draft is a win for the 'skins and their fans, because they didn't trade up for Mark Sanchez, but with the level or whining going on today you could've sworn they did.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 27, 2009 11:34 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 27, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

yod, thanks.

Curious as to where Cadogan, and Alex Boone ended up....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Obviously I hope I'm wrong, but it could be that with TO finally off his back, Romo will be able to focus without worrying about the cry-baby screaming for the ball on every down.

Williams, Witten and Crayton are three good targets.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 27, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

matt, how do the cowboys replace to's production?? Roy Williams was a collossal failure last year.

And replacing plax is gonna be a steep process for the giants.

As much as TO, and Plax are idiots, for different reasons, they were/are very talented players.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse
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Actually, TO and Plax had mediocre years last year (even considering the Plax injury) so - numbers wise - you don't need to replace them with beasts. And I doubt any one would argue they need replacing in the locker room.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 27, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Obviously I hope I'm wrong, but it could be that with TO finally off his back, Romo will be able to focus without worrying about the cry-baby screaming for the ball on every down.

Williams, Witten and Crayton are three good targets.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 27, 2009 11:50 AM |

Romo is a playoff choke artist, he is no concern. He will throw more picks then TD's this year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

'...The NFC east is a war of attrition anyway. All 4 teams have a punchers chance at surviving....'


Hopefully, we master the AFC West (San Diego should be the only real fight we have).

Tampa/Detriot should be wins, but Carolina, Nawlins, and Atlanta good fights, especially so now that we have a good punter and better defense.

The division is what it is, but you have to hope the team takes the out of division games real proper like.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Greg, Boone went to SF...don't know about the other guy. I figured the Skins would take a flyer on Cedric Dockery.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 27, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

right, 4th. I'm sure Bruce Smith was never dominated by a TE at the line of scrimmage - ever.

Getting beat on certain plays happens to every athlete in sports, c'mon man, you can't be that naive and agenda based that you can't see that.

Like I said, this drafted could've gone a lot worse. They didn't draft a OL, but with the UDFA they signed and the offensive linemen that were signed at the end of the season - add the guys that were already on the roster last year I don't think they're necessarily desperate, for help along the o-line.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 27, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Actually, TO and Plax had mediocre years last year (even considering the Plax injury) so - numbers wise - you don't need to replace them with beasts. And I doubt any one would argue they need replacing in the locker room.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 27, 2009 11:50 AM |

matt,

Your right they had down years and the Cowgilrs missed the playoffs, and the Giants were bounced in there first game so they do need to be replaced with studs.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

The division is what it is, but you have to hope the team takes the out of division games real proper like.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2009 11:53 AM |
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Absolutely. The Skins were 3-3 in the division last year, but the teams that kept them out of the playoffs were the Rams and Bengals.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 27, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Actually, TO and Plax had mediocre years last year

If by mediocre you mean TO having 69 catches, over 1000 yards, and 10 touchdowns, then yeah, he was very mediocre.....he's had 38 touchdowns the last 3 years, again, that will be hard to replace....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

yod, thanks. I'm curious about Dock jr. too.....bring him in for a look see, as a favor to Derrick

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

This was a good draft for us. The FO obviously made the decision that the OL could wait one more year. Besides, Buges prefers to deal with the older experienced types. Hopefully, they preferred the people they have available, over the 50/50 chance of some prosects.
Any thought that the Nebraska kid might get reps at RB? The later WR looked like the possesion type we so sorely lacked in the red zone. Even if they don't start, they look like special team contributors. We have to give the benefit of the doubt to the scouting department. (Yes, OL has me worried)

Posted by: Krooz | April 27, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Edge James anyone?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

didnt the saint sign baby dock? Or I am making that up?

Posted by: chrislarry | April 27, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Chase Daniel, QB, Missouri
Edwin Williams, C, Maryland
Scott Burley, OL, Maryland
Robert Agnone, TE, Delaware
Devin Frischknecht, TE, Washington State
John Halman, WR, Concordia
Jaison Williams, WR, Oregon
Derek Walker, DE, Illinois
Antonio Dixon, DT, Miami (FL)
Brigham Harwell, DT, UCLA
Ronnie Palmer, LB, Arizona
Lendy Holmes, S, Oklahoma
Doug Dutch, CB, Michigan

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who

Hopefully the DT from UCLA is another baller like Hoton.

Posted by: TWISI | April 27, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry, you're right...the saints signed baby dock. I heard he wasn't anything like his bro anyways

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 27, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

"But it's not, and at some point, folks need to see in Campbell the stability and continuity and maturity that so many pro athletes today don't possess.

And you're missing my overall point: we didn't mortgage the future to get another quarterback, we don't have a quarterback controversy, and finally, we have an adult managing the position.

Perhaps the newness of this--stability-- is such that most redskins fans don't understand what it is.


Posted by: MistaMoe"

well I understand all that


but I'm not ready to bow down and worship JC as the classiest guy in the world as a result. Maybe it's me, but it's just too darn easy to do things that are considered "classy moves" nowadays.

A guy gives 1/100000 of his paycheck to a charity as a tax writeoff, he's a "classy guy", a guy smokes marijuana and he has "character issues". Kinda funny I guess.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 27, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

If Orakpo pans out as a pro, and Haynesworth stays healthy, the defense should get more sacks. With more sacks, the skins should end up with better field position at times and have less field to cover...

Now if they can only figure out how to get the ball over the goal line.

Posted by: bgmathis | April 27, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Are they really scouting people? Linbacker Glenn, our fifth round pick, played only 9 games. He is short and undersized. Don't the Skins have enough undersized linebackers on the team.

Posted by: japark89 | April 27, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

'..This draft was a win for Shanahan..'

Zorn is our coach.

Shanahan is done. Gruden will become a media guy. Cowher has too much sense to be the next Dorothy for the Wizards of Redskins Park to abuse. Martz has been exposed as over-rated.

And the one guy who could really turn things around--Dungy--is too satisfied being Tony Dungy to care enough about coaching again.

Let's support the idea that Zorn completes his contract, and then gets evaluated.

Let's not start another blogga round of, "Hey, let's go get the next new shiny object...."

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Skin now lead teh lead in Williams's selected or FA'D

Hey, cut me some slack, I'm trying to sgtay positive adn it ain't easy.

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Not much difference between a 5th rounder and an undrafted FA? Really? then why don't they just stop the draft after round 1 since there's no difference.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 27, 2009 10:54 AM

Um, because then they wouldn’t have rounds 2 through four? Come on People, harder questions here, please.

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Edge James anyone?

Posted by: 4thFloor |

I'd second that.

Posted by: TWISI | April 27, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

"What kind of animal smokes marijuana at his own confirmation"

Carmela Soprano

(great line about her own son.)

Posted by: chrislarry | April 27, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Current O-Linmen tell me who goes if you draft O-Linemen late in the draft.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 8:05 AM

It’s early, but here’s my pick on who stays, and why

Mike Williams (Slims down to a svelte 395. Also Buges thinks kid's GF, Kirstie Alley, is HOT)
Stephon Heyer (Like a bad Polaroid, still developing slowly)
Chad Rinehart (Too soon and too embarrassing to cut him)
Jon Jansen (Cap reasons and more recovered from devastating injury)
Chris Samuels (Because he’s Chris Samuels)
Derrick Dockery (Because they let Kendall go)
Randy Thomas (Because he said so.)
Casey Rabach (Because they cut Geissinger. That’s a joke, son.)

Last year the line was old and small. This year, it’s old and fat.

Call me crazy, but I think that group could be upgraded.

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Supposedly Shanahan has a strong past relationship with ol Bug eyes....fairly friendly with Snyder, and very close to Portis (good timing for when that Contract comes up too).

You had a Defense in the top 4 last year.. and an Offense that was in the bottom one-fourth of the league scoring less points than the 0-16 Lions... But you spend your top picks selecting Defense.. It would seem you are packaging the team for a new Head Coach who also wants control of the Offense...Shanahan fits the bill pretty well.

Of course, this is all thrown out if Zorn can make the playoffs.. Nope.. wait a minute we're talking Snyder logic here.. cross that..
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
'..This draft was a win for Shanahan..'

Zorn is our coach.

Shanahan is done. Gruden will become a media guy. Cowher has too much sense to be the next Dorothy for the Wizards of Redskins Park to abuse. Martz has been exposed as over-rated.

And the one guy who could really turn things around--Dungy--is too satisfied being Tony Dungy to care enough about coaching again.

Let's support the idea that Zorn completes his contract, and then gets evaluated.

Let's not start another blogga round of, "Hey, let's go get the next new shiny object...."

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2009 12:07 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 27, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

any draft run by danny-boy and vinny will be terrible. Get us a real owner and gm.

Posted by: 1of9000 | April 27, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Like San Francisco got lucky with Crabtree at 10, the Redskins (hopefully) did the same with Orakpo.

I would like to thank the New York Jets organization from saving Snyder/Cerrato from themselves.

I am completely perplexed the Redskins didn't address the offensive line - the biggest problem.

Kevin Barnes? I would have preferred WR Derrick Williams so the Redskins can finally find a solid #2 WR.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | April 27, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Why didn't the Skins trade down from #13, and try to get a later 1st rounder and a 2nd?

Maybe they tried and it wasn't there, who knows, but maybe they could have picked up Oher, for instance, and had a 2nd rounder too.

Posted by: dclifer | April 27, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

My draft weekend observations:

Fell to my knees in gratitude when trade up for Sanchez did not come to pass. Round by round analysis is as follows:

1. In 1st round, would have rather traded back to get extra picks and maybe still land that Tennessee DE instead, but I can live with this pick. I don't really see Orakpo as a full-time LDE, though, but rather as a situational pass-rusher and eventual replacement for A. Carter on the right end (or sooner if Carter has another substandard season).

2. Loss of second round pick still hurts - Unger (C/G) and Loadholt (RT/RG) were both on the board and would have been nice need-meets-value additions at that point. A few tears had to be shed over Vinny's spilled milk..

3. CB in the 3rd round was a bit of surprise, but sounds like it was a value pick, as well as a final admission that Tryon was a wasted pick last year. Could also be viewed as leverage/insurance for the Carlos Rogers contract situation.

4. 4th round pick would have been nice to have - Gerald McRath, OLB would have been there for us. Again, it's spilled milk, but worth noting in this exercise.

5-6. 5th and 6th round picks really hurt - reaches instead of value, and for major projects, while quality OL depth was still available (Robinson and Tupou in 5th and Cadogan in 6th).

7. The 7th round picks I'm o.k. with, as those are basically flyers, anyway...the WR should contribute on specials and maybe could push one of last year's guys for a spot, and the FB is insurance if Sellers holds out, and may be a better fit for WCO anyway.

UDFAs - like the pickup of the Center from Maryland, but have to say "WTF?" regarding QB Chase Daniels. Don't we already have an undersized system QB filing the 3rd string spot on our roster? Again, there are still OL propsects out there (including Cadogan, if he hasn't already signed elsewhere) that would seem to be a much higher priority.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/860536.html

Overall, I gave this draft a flat "C" grade, based on hopes that Orakpo and Barnes live up to their potential, and the assumption that everyone from there on down is a long shot to make the active roster.

Posted by: PDXskin | April 27, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

My draft weekend observations:

Fell to my knees in gratitude when trade up for Sanchez did not come to pass. Round by round analysis is as follows:

1. In 1st round, would have rather traded back to get extra picks and maybe still land that Tennessee DE instead, but I can live with this pick. I don't really see Orakpo as a full-time LDE, though, but rather as a situational pass-rusher and eventual replacement for A. Carter on the right end (or sooner if Carter has another substandard season).

2. Loss of second round pick still hurts - Unger (C/G) and Loadholt (RT/RG) were both on the board and would have been nice need-meets-value additions at that point. A few tears had to be shed over Vinny's spilled milk..

3. CB in the 3rd round was a bit of surprise, but sounds like it was a value pick, as well as a final admission that Tryon was a wasted pick last year. Could also be viewed as leverage/insurance for the Carlos Rogers contract situation.

4. 4th round pick would have been nice to have - Gerald McRath, OLB would have been there for us. Again, it's spilled milk, but worth noting in this exercise.

5-6. 5th and 6th round picks really hurt - reaches instead of value, and for major projects, while quality OL depth was still available (Robinson and Tupou in 5th and Cadogan in 6th).

7. The 7th round picks I'm o.k. with, as those are basically flyers, anyway...the WR should contribute on specials and maybe could push one of last year's guys for a spot, and the FB is insurance if Sellers holds out, and may be a better fit for WCO anyway.

UDFAs - like the pickup of the Center from Maryland, but have to say "WTF?" regarding QB Chase Daniels. Don't we already have an undersized system QB filing the 3rd string spot on our roster? Again, there are still OL propsects out there (including Cadogan, if he hasn't already signed elsewhere) that would seem to be a much higher priority.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/860536.html

Overall, I gave this draft a flat "C" grade, based on hopes that Orakpo and Barnes live up to their potential, and the assumption that everyone from there on down is a long shot to make the active roster.

Posted by: PDXskin | April 27, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Some of you people need to give it a rest about not drafting a o-lineman in the draft. By the way we signed a o-lineman the day before the draft and last night. Thats not to mention the offensive lineman that we already have. We have like 10-12 offensive lineman right now on our roster with proven starters. These young guys have to step up if they ever gonna replace some of our veterans. Joe Buegel is not just going to put anybody in there. The Redskins did a good job in the draft. We addressed each and every need, and even bought in another WR and TE just in case. Now it is a matter of who really wants to get on the field. Coach Zorn is saying that Orako will probably be on the line instead of playing LB. I actually like that more anyway. Carter, Griffin, Haynesworth, and Orakpo as our starting D-line. We just need our young receivers to step up and we will be on our way. Stop worrying about the o-line so much. We will have our best o-lineman on the field. Its scary to think if our defense will be better than last year. I pray that Snyder will not pull the plug on Zorn after this season. GO SKINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: louloudekdek1 | April 27, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Listening to people defend Snyderatto's day-two picks (besides Barnes, I guess) is like listening to ppl deny climate change, or its severity.

For our sake, I hope they're right - I'd LOVE for them to be right - but every ounce of logic and empirical evidence screams otherwise.

It doesn't matter that these later picks wouldn't have likely been immediate starters. In addition to quality starters, you need decent depth across the line, even more so when your starters are picking out rocking chairs for their immediate future - they're gonna get tired and hurt more regularly than younger players.

I'm usually suspect of conspiracy theories, including the one that Snyderatto wants JC to fail this year - but I sure can see how they arise. People seek reason for things that seem illogical (see the creation of all the world's relgions) and nothing seems less sensible than Snyderatto ignoring the O-line AGAIN.

Given that this is JC's contract year, given that it will be his first repeat year in the same O system, and given that there are some quality QBs coming out next year, this would've been the perfect time to give JC some protection and see what he, and last year's WR picks, can do, and draft according to the results next year.

But of course that would make sense, so you can forget about that happening at Redskins park.

One last request to Snyderatto. Now that you've done all the damage you can do in the draft, you deserve a nice break. Why don't the two of you go vacation down in Mexico city, and while you're there, go lick some handrails. I hear they taste great.

Asshats.

Posted by: hogmeister | April 27, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I give them a D.

But I weight them per pick. One and out. They could have had a computer pick a random available number after Orakpo and might have faired better. We shouldn't have to have a FA O-line like some might suggest.
There is a shallow, big splash, headline grabber thing going on. Bottom line, with a salesman who thinks he "can sell anything to anyone." There probably is a high failure rate entering the pros from the collegiate level. Forget scouts and infrastructure; advertising, headlines, and we even drafted an experienced ticket scalper with the 3rd pick. This will go hand in hand with the monopolization of the $50.00 parking. Less overhead and more money.

Alright... Orakpo warrants a better grade. Sanchez might be a C, but for us he would have guaranteed a failing grade. Sanchez could have been our only pick in the draft. But I'm left feeling it worked out that way even with a good natural pick in the 1st.

Though I could be wrong. Those two undersized LBs could end up with long, productive (though undervalued due to lack of prototypical size) London Fletcher type careers. Especially with THE MAN himself to lead the way. Coaching and leadership could salvage this thing. But I find myself losing respect for Zorn in the draft. For the first time, as I have been a supporter of him as a coach. If he is just a yes man to Snyder then he's just another Cerrato. Destined to failure. What was that TV show where Donald Trump fires everyone? Maybe it is inevitable either way.

Posted by: chavez66 | April 27, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

not bad not great, 2 starters,1 special teamer. were in a jam already. no way jason campbell will have his head on straight this year. unless we start 3-0. do we spend the pre-season kissing jason's butt (rightfully so)and the first 3-4 regular season games.
like it or not we are going to suck this year. as usual who is the next qb? if are 2 huge letters but IF only we had signed mike singletary

Posted by: tammanyhall2109 | April 27, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

One thing i did not see "you can't judge the draft yet silly" you minus well say i suck at my job and i hope one or two darts hit. i really hope we have one or two smarter personell evaluators. that statement blew me away. many super bowl teams were built by gm's

Posted by: tammanyhall2109 | April 27, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

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