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The Full Carter And Randle El Contracts

Couldn't allow the day/night to pass without getting the full details of the new contracts for DE Andre Carter and WR Antwaan Randle El. You guys deserve the full monty, so here goes:

I gave the primer on this earlier in the day, and went over the contracts with a source who has evaluated it thoroughly to make sure I understood exactly what the Skins did. As I noted before, the Skins, cap strapped again, save $4.4 million total against the 2009 cap with the two contracts.

Both these guys were among the 12 or so players who restructured their deals last February; Randle El's latest deal became effective 2/6/09, and Carter's came through this Wednesday. In both cases, the players will pocket in raw cash terms exactly what they would have in 2009 under their previous deals ($4.5 million for Carter - including his old roster bonus - and $4 million for Randle El). Only now most of it comes in the form of upfront, guaranteed money, via new signing bonuses.

Let's start with Carter.

As part of his new contract, he received a $3 million signing bonus, and his deal now extends through 2015 (in principle at least, more on that in a moment). And he has a $7.25 million option bonus in 2010, which the club has until Aug. 31, 2010 to decide whether or not to pick up. If that option bonus is executed, then Carter's deal extends through 2015, with that $7.25 million then prorated over the ensuing six seasons.

If Carter's option bonus is picked up, his 2010 base salary is $1.3 million. If that option is not executed, then Carter's 2010 base salary jumps to $1.95 million, and he becomes eligible for unrestricted free agency following the 2010 season (barring yet another renegotiation/new contract; these two guys have don't 3 deals each with the Skins in 4 years here)

Should the Redskins opt to cut Carter after the 2009 season, prior to executing the option bonus, then Carter would count about $5.1 million in dead cap space (Now, there's a chance we don't get a new CBA in the next year, in which case 2010 is uncapped, so cap hits wouldn't matter. I'm starting to think more and more that common sense prevails here and labor peace wins, but who knows).

The Randle El contract is virtually identical in theory.

As part of his new deal he got a $2.5 million signing bonus, and his deal now has the potential to extend years beyond his old one, through 2015 at max. And he has a $6.25 million option bonus in 2010, which the club has until Aug. 31, 2010 to decide whether or not to pick up. If that option bonus is executed, then Randle El's deal can go through 2015, with that $6.25 million prorated over the ensuing six seasons (feel like you are reading the same paragraph over and over?).

If Randle El's option bonus is executed, his 2010 base salary is $1.375 million. If that option is not executed, then Randle El's 2010 base salary jumps to $1.95 million and he is eligible to become an unrestricted free agent following the 2010 season. Should the Redskins opt to cut Randle El after the 2009 season, prior to executing the option bonus, then Randle El would count $4.4 million in dead cap space.

So there you have it. Nothing too earth shattering; typical Skins business. They were going to face decisions on these guys following the 2009 season already, under their previous deals, and will end up doing so again, only with the players now having the chance to get another $13.5 million in total guaranteed between them at a later stage of their career should those options get picked up.

Neither has been very productive since signing lucrative free agent deals here in March of 2006, and both play positions that have been woefully unproductive here on the whole. From the player standpoint, there's every incentive to do these deals, they end up getting more money up front now and the chance to earn much more. The team's only real incentive is to try to get under the cap, again, and this helps a bit. It's really just shifting some money around - salary cap gymnastics.

By Jason La Canfora  |  February 12, 2009; 9:13 PM ET
 
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So if I'm understanding this correctly, the skins have moved about $4 million off the books this year by giving these players the potential for free agency in 2 years with no dead cap issues? Can this possibly be true?

Posted by: TWISI | February 12, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

WOW!!

Vinny and Danny make a Greeat move and JLaC dosen't acknowledge it.

Shocker!

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 12, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

So there you have it. Nothing too earth shattering; typical Skins business. They were going to face decisions on these guys following the 2009 season already, under their previous deals, and will end up doing so again, only with the players now having the chance to get another $13.5 million in total guaranteed between them at a later stage of their career should those options get picked up.

Neither has been very productive since signing lucrative free agent deals here in March of 2006, and both play positions that have been woefully unproductive here on the whole. From the player standpoint, there's every incentive to do these deals, they end up getting more money up front now and the chance to earn much more. The team's only real incentive is to try to get under the cap, again, and this helps a bit. It's really just shifting some money around - salary cap gymnastics.


By Jason La Canfora | February 12, 2009; 9:13 PM ET

He's right, they haven't been as good as advertised.

BUT, now the skins have a chance to get out. We only keep them for this last year and they will perform there butts off for the next contract from another team. (This is what I have been talking about regarding the uncapped year. It's Redskins' golden parachute). The last sentence ($13.5 Mil) is irrelevant because we all know Danny and Vinny will not exercise those options........

Also what I see that dosen't seem to be reported is that these deals look like deals where Vinny came to the players and told them he will cut them if they don't redo their deals..........

But this post is spun as being negative when there is nothing but positives in this whole post......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 12, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

'...Vinny and Danny make a Greeat move and JLaC dosen't acknowledge it...'

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 12, 2009 10:13 PM |

JLAC, like Moe, likes his smart moves to be forward thinking, not scrambling supermarket 'clean up on aisle three' efforts to correct situatons intended to clean up a mess.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 12, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Great! Skins guaranteed to have 2 more guys on the roster with serious SUCK potential for 2009.

Whoopeeeeeee!

Posted by: sichon | February 12, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

i didnt even read the whole post...jasno, you're the WORST!!!

Posted by: lacanforasuxd | February 12, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

I not hating on Vinny and Co for doing these deals. It saves cap space now, while still giving the skins the abilty to part ways in two years.= with these palyers.

Posted by: TWISI | February 12, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

While it sounds smart and sounds like Salary cap gymnastics etc. etc., it basically rewards two players that stink. Literally Jason was right, they are potentially the worst aspects of the team, yet they stay. We stunk at second WR and we had zero passs rush, so....let's reward both crappy players.

It represents everything that is wrong with the NFL. All I see is Carter sucking wind and not getting to the QB and Randle El sliding down after three east west jukes on a punt return. Miserable.

Posted by: DownTownClown | February 12, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Anybody want to get on the trade Samuels train-
it pulling out of town with a 1st and third round draft pick to be used on a stud tackle and another lineman

Philly has 2 1sts and needs a LT. We could give up Samuels, a second next year and get those two first rounders. Thats three 1st round picks, probably trade 1 back to next year for another 1st and a 3rd. Then instead of 1 1st this year and chris samuels, you get 2 1sts this year (both to be used on O-line, maybe one on D line) and two 1sts next year, plus a third. That is 4 1st round O-linemen if we go that route, and all of a sudden, with one stop gap free-agent, our weakest position has become our strongest in two years.

That is unless Vinny doesnt draft himself to play tackle

Or Guard

But he would be a great center- he has no nutties, a huge upgrade over Rabach

Posted by: DaFunBunch | February 12, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Why is nobody awake
Im doing this new thing where i get home from whatever, take a nap till 11 then saty up all night. It saves so much time, and i feel like ive made the most out of my life the past few weeks. However, blogging is probably not making the most out of my life at this time, but regardless i forgot what i was even trying to get at

Posted by: DaFunBunch | February 13, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Is it just me or does everyone think of 80's themed diners and hoverboards everytime they read 2015?

Posted by: Fresh335 | February 13, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

What, no beep?

Darn you h8t00z!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 13, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

These guys weren't going to get cut and now there is more rome to manuever. Same old, same old.

So since the redskins generally restructure and not cut players to make the cap, why isn't the beat speculating as to whose contract is the next to change in order to keep the guys who should be cut?

Posted by: bangkokben | February 13, 2009 1:29 AM | Report abuse

BangkokBen, Jasno, all the rest? You missed it? ~laughing~

Snidely Owl's wife ( a hot looking ex-model) must have used "chick crack" on him. Convinced him that 2012 is the end of the world anyway. The "Crystal Blue Persuasion" and the oracles of Lemuria verified it!

So, of course, that "goddess nectar" whipped dude is going to make this move.

~laughing~

Posted by: periculum | February 13, 2009 2:29 AM | Report abuse


"Anybody want to get on the trade Samuels train-

Posted by: DaFunBunch | February 12, 2009"

NO, and why would any GM worth his salt? The guy isn't young and has been on IR twice recently. No way, Jose. He is untradeable.

If you want to trade you will have to give up value ... maybe you can throw in guys who have had injuries but can still perform but the centerpiece will have to be a Campbell, a Landry, a Rogers, a Cooley. And possibly a Horton.

Sorry but that is just the way it is.

Posted by: periculum | February 13, 2009 2:34 AM | Report abuse

Snidely Owl: the "chick crack" king.

Posted by: periculum | February 13, 2009 2:35 AM | Report abuse

The above poster is correct - if the uncapped year happens, the Redskins have their escape plan and thus, can allow Carter and Randle-El, amongst others, to leave, and somewhat "reboot" a bit for 2011. That said, an uncapped year and labor discord would be horrible for the NFL at this stage, considering all the issues going around. It could threaten a year of the NFL, considering the union is likely to fight against the salary cap. Short of it is, while it may be good for the Redskins, it is likely to be a horrible thing for the NFL if a labor deal isn't reached to avoid the uncapped year.

To the trade Samuels commenter -

First, no team, particularly a division rival, is going to do the deal that you are suggesting - Samuels and a 2nd for 2 firsts. Aging players get valued less, but more importantly, the Eagles are an organization that, for the most part, has let their aging talent walk. Moreover, if they are going to go after an older OT, they would probably just sign Tra Thomas to a short term deal (they have options at RT, and with 2 firsts, they could draft a tackle as well, albeit, their options that late are likely to be slim, Eben Britton perhaps being the best, with the fast rising William Beatty closing in, and maybe Jamon Meredith in the discussion, but the latter two could be 2nd rounders).

Posted by: toonsterwu | February 13, 2009 5:17 AM | Report abuse

Just to clear up some things....

Some of you said we have 2 more years of ARE and Carter. But, that's not true.

2010 is next year people(the year their option bonuses are due). The year of the uncapped.

So, essentially this is ARE and Carter's last year with us. No way their option bonuses are picked up......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 13, 2009 6:50 AM | Report abuse

Since none of you guys can do the Math I will do it for you, I know you guys just like to hate and not bother to get facts.

JLC is not going to give you this, because then he would have to admit that these were great moves.

Currently to release Carter at the end of this year would have cost 6.825Mil, so not only did they get cap savings this year they can now cut Carter at the end of the year and it only cost 5.1mil.

To cut EL at the end of this year would cost you 6.763Mil, so again they save money against this years cap and his new release fee for 2009 is 4.4mil

So in other words these were great deals, I've heard no one up here say that cutting Carter or EL this year would have been a good move because of the cap. Now they can get rid of both of them at the end of the year and save money.

The initial deals for these guys were terrible that I admit, but again Gibbs was in charge and no one not even Peric. knows who was making these decisions.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 6:55 AM | Report abuse

4th,

I take you out of the you guys above because you seem to get it.

I know Greg will agree with me so I take him out to.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 6:57 AM | Report abuse

They are going to have to get a good punter now, to compete with this new guy they just signed.

So cutting Plack. is OK by me, there is know way we go to training camp with just this journeyman we have now.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 6:59 AM | Report abuse

Good thing we have JLC to keep us informed about Hall.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3902683

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | February 13, 2009 7:05 AM | Report abuse

JM,

We discussed that story yesterday it is obvious that Dickarelli does not watch the Skins since he didn't know that Hall started like 4 games for us.

Hall is also being signed to be the number 1 CB not a backup.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 7:23 AM | Report abuse

I think with the problems the NFLPA is having finding a new president, that there is most certainly going to be an uncapped year. Or they are going to have to concede a bunch of stuff to the Owners.

I think there is a uncapped year and then a new deal is struck that does not include a cap.

However that new deal will be more favorable to the owners when it comes to profit sharing.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 7:28 AM | Report abuse

JLC, you BETTER be writing the definitive front-page Pulitzer Prize-winning article on Vinny's acting career. That clip just explains everything...

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | February 13, 2009 7:33 AM | Report abuse

I wasn't up here yesterday Flounder21. One would think since JLC covers the Skins we would have gotten a post about this. I guess that is just my thinking.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | February 13, 2009 7:43 AM | Report abuse

God, can't we get something good out of this recession and have the Post layoff La Crapola?

Posted by: drewkinnear | February 13, 2009 7:48 AM | Report abuse

God, can't we get something good out of this recession and have the Post layoff La Crapola?

Posted by: drewkinnear


Drew I think that is going a little too far. However, I would have no problem with the Post assigning JLC to maybe soccer. Anything except the Skins but I wouldn't want him to be lose his job.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | February 13, 2009 7:51 AM | Report abuse

happy early V day everyone!!! i'm only doing chocs and flowers for all my ladies. rember even if your woman says "i don't care." and she might be telling the truth but her friends/sisters DO care!!!

just wanted to share "true love in 6 words" off of wapo's frontpage with you...some area helluva funny:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/10/AR2009021002187.html?hpid=topnews

Posted by: dealer1 | February 13, 2009 7:58 AM | Report abuse

The index finger of my right hand is twirling in a cricle. Pay millions to two guys who are not worth it. Be reeady for some more brilliant moves like these two just completed. I can't wait for the two joy boys to mess up the draft. Here we go, we trade the entire 2010 draft to get someone's number one so we can draft the 2008 Ray Guy award winner to fill the punter position. If there's a worse front office in the NFL, it doesn't exist.

Posted by: pjente | February 13, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

"just wanted to share "true love in 6 words" off of wapo's frontpage with you...some area helluva funny:"


"Perhaps too socially lubricated by whiskey."


haha, good stuff.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | February 13, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Flound, when you put the numbers like that, how can you not look favorably on this?? I'm not crazy about either player, I think Carter had a good year in 07, and fell back last year, but now apparently the handwriting is on the wall for these two.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 13, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

By Gary Fitzgerald
Redskins.com
Posted: February 12, 2009

In the 1980s, it was Russ Grimm, Joe Jacoby, Jeff Bostic, Mark May and George Starke, among others. In the 2000s, it was Chris Samuels, Jon Jansen, Casey Rabach, Randy Thomas and Pete Kendall, among others.

No matter the era, Joe Bugel remains loyal to his “guys.”

And as the Redskins re-evaluate the offensive line heading into free agency and the NFL Draft, loyalty remains part of the equation for Bugel.

“When you have been around guys for a long time, you see their ups and you see their downs,” Bugel told Larry Michael on a recent broadcast of “Redskins Nation” on Comcast SportsNet. “You see how they prepare and play through injuries. You have to truly respect guys who don’t miss a lot of practice.

“So you can get close to your players. They’re family. We want this to be a family atmosphere. I enjoy being around the players. I listen to them, they listen to me. I’m concerned about their families just like they’re concerned about my family.”

Bugel accepts that he is open to criticism for loyalty to his core group of linemen.

It’s an aging group--all five of the starters from last year are 31 years old or older--and there is speculation the Redskins may pursue offensive linemen in free agency and the NFL Draft.

“Right now, we’re just looking at people in free agency,” Bugel said. “We haven’t made any decisions. It’s a matter of gathering a lot of facts right now.”

In terms of NFL Draft prospects, the evaluation process continues Feb. 18-24 at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis.

During the “Redskins Nation” broadcast, Bugel reviewed each of his five starters.

On six-time Pro Bowl left tackle Chris Samuels, Bugel said: “Chris got a triceps injury [in Week 14 at Baltimore] and he has to work extremely hard on that. We have to watch him real close because he is a super football player. That really hurt us when he got hurt down the stretch.”

On left guard Pete Kendall, scheduled to be an unrestricted free agent this offseason: “We still haven’t given up on Pete. He’s a warhorse. He thinks he can play about 10 more years. I have a great deal of respect for him because he is a good football player.”

Of veteran center Casey Rabach: “He is one of the top players I have ever coached at his position. His preparation is impeccable. He knows the offense inside and out. He knows the defenses we’re playing inside and out.

"He’s a strong cog on our football team. He’s really a very quiet, unassuming leader.”

On right guard Randy Thomas: “He is coming off a neck injury right now, but he has the capability--the way he takes care of his body--to play about 4-5 more years. He is a legitimate tough guy.”

Finally, on right tackle Jon Jansen: “Sooner or later, when you get up in age, the injuries Jon has had can start haunting you. I don’t think he was ever 100 percent [last year], but Jon can be a lot better at 85 percent than most other tackles.

Continued Below,

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse

The moves never cease to amaze me.... Come on Free Agency.

BTW Wash Post, what's up with all the ADs and flash pop ups???

Thanks goodness for the fox...

Firefox
AdBlock Plus or NoScript for the insane

Posted by: pv1999 | February 13, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Good thing we have JLC to keep us informed about Hall.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3902683

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | February 13, 2009 7:05 AM | Report abuse


How is this article anything we don't know about Hall? Just random cheap shots at JLC...If you hate the guy so much, stop reading the blog.

Posted by: rich20ssu | February 13, 2009 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Continued from above,

“He’s another legitimate tough guy. Hopefully this year he gets all cleaned up and he comes back ready to go.”

Bugel does have a pair of young linemen he has tutored the last few years.

They could be part of the future.

Stephon Heyer started five games in 2007 and seven last year, alternating at left and right tackle. In his third year, the former University of Maryland lineman could have a chance to cement a starting job.

It was thought Heyer accomplished that last year, when he opened the season as the starter at right tackle, but a shoulder injury sidelined him until midseason.

“Stephon can be as good as he wants to be,” Bugel said. “Randy Thomas and Chris Samuels have taken him under their wing and really worked him hard. His offseasons are critical because he grew up so fast as a young man he outgrew his body.

“Hopefully he can go through a season without having injuries. That’s the thing he hasn’t been able to conquer. Hopefully the third year is the charm for him because he has a great amount of talent.”

Chad Rinehart, the Redskins’ third-round draft pick last year, did not play as a rookie.

Bugel indicated that Rinehart showed signs of adjusting to the NFL game late in the season.


Chad Rinehart“I’m expecting a lot from him [in 2009],” Bugel said. “When we activated him toward the end of the season, the light bulb finally went on. The last 4-5 weeks of the season, he started perking up. He started realizing what the NFL is all about.

“He was coming from Northern Iowa and these college kids sometimes hit the wall in the NFL. With preseason, we play 20 games, and that’s twice what he played in college each year.”

Rinehart had to refine his technique and eliminate bad blocking habits before coaches feel comfortable putting him with the starting unit.

“He knows exactly what he needs to do to get ready for next year,” Bugel said.

What about Bugel?

The veteran coach turns 69 on March 10, but he has shown no signs of slowing down.

He is beginning his 32nd year--15th with the Redskins--as an NFL coach. He has coached such memorable offensive line units as "The Hogs" and "The Dirtbags" in separate stints in Washington.

“Maybe I’m getting near the end--I think I have five more years in me,” Bugel said, laughing.

Coaching alongside head coach Jim Zorn has helped reinvigorate Bugel.

“Coach Zorn is a fun guy,” Bugel said. “He gives each coach responsibility and ownership in the program. He’s a diligent worker and I enjoy being around him.

“He wants to be a great football coach and I think he’s going to be that. He is all win win win.”

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 8:12 AM | Report abuse

alright he can cover girls h/s field hockey

Posted by: drewkinnear | February 13, 2009 8:13 AM | Report abuse

I see the once a month posters are out to chime in on how bad the moves are, if you could read you would see the moves were very smart.

But keep on hating because i'm sure Danny will sell the team because you think the FO sucks.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Flound, Danny is gonna sell the team because of the Six Flags stock you ninny. They're co-mingled don't you know.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 13, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

The Tom Cruise flick Danny bankrolled is already in the Black...even if it was a flop, the Skins aren't going anywhere.

Posted by: rich20ssu | February 13, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

How is this article anything we don't know about Hall? Just random cheap shots at JLC...If you hate the guy so much, stop reading the blog.

Posted by: rich20ssu

I stated a long time ago I don't come on here for JLC or the news. Most time I get it from other places before JLC post anything. I come on here to talk with some of the great people I have met.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | February 13, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

This was a good move for all sides involved. This gives the skins an easy out for after the 2010 season (the skins will not cut either of them before that period), and this essentially puts Carter and Randle El on "contract year" status (which is always good for the team).

Smart move by ARE and Carter, who are still being paid what their contract originally stipulated and will also have the opportunity to sign one more decent contract before they really get old.

Posted by: psps23 | February 13, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

The Skins are totaly seperate from any other of Danny boys buisnesses, he could lose everything else he owns and still be able to own the Skins. The NFL in general sh!ts money and the Skins are one of the top sport teams in terms of worth.

Danny is only 43 years old which is only a few years older then me, he is rich and probably has very expensive doctors. He will own this team long after most of us working stiffs are gone. So you can hate all you want and beg for things to change, or you can be like me and hope that the dude gets it and soon.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

psp,

I'm glad you agree with me, because it's Friday and I would have hated to have to argue with you all day.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

From PFT,

This shows that pro basketball even whith it's best players playing is still a joke.

A top college game would have been a better thing to put up against the pro Bowl.

MEANINGLESS FOOTBALL STILL BETTER THAN MEANINGFUL BASKETBALL
Posted by Mike Florio on February 13, 2009, 7:23 a.m. EST
We’ve been meaning to mention this one for a couple of days, ever since hearing Dan Patrick mention it on his radio show.

The Pro Bowl, which we’ve said again and again that we don’t like in its current, is still preferred viewing among sports fans.

Though the official rating for the Pro Bowl dropped from 6.3 to 5.4, it bested the Kobe-LeBron clash on ABC.

The Lakers-Cavs game drew only a 3.8.

Next year, the rating for the Pro Bowl likely will be higher, since it’s being played in Miami a week before the Super Bowl. The mere anticipation of the NFL title game should prompt more viewers to tune in.

But, still, the Pro Bowl has problems, and fixing it requires something more meaningful than playing it two weeks earlier, with none of the participants from the Super Bowl involved.

That said, the NFL clearly remains the king of the hill when it comes to pro or amateur sports.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

"Plaxico Burress seemingly wants to leave the New York Giants.

Drew Rosenhaus, the agent for the troubled receiver, sent an e-mail to NFL teams earlier this week letting them know that Burress was one of his three clients who wants to be traded, an NFL executive told The Associated Press yesterday.

The other Rosenhaus clients looking for new teams are Anquan Boldin of the Arizona Cardinals and Chad Johnson of the Cincinnati Bengals"

I'd say that none of these guys gets traded. No one wants 2 of them, and AZ has gone on record saying they're not trading Boldin.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 13, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

If the analysis of the move to re-work Carter's and ARE's contracts is correct, one wonders if the moves are intended to just get out from under a financial burden or a passive aggressive 'oops' move that suggests the FO wants to move on from obvious mistakes.

It's probably both.

An added bonus to the moves is that the players--Carter and Randle El-- may both see this season as a 'contract year,' and have great seasons.

This again feeds the notion that the team just wants to get what it can out of the roster--such as it is-- as it stands this season.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 13, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | February 13, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

beantown

'...The other Rosenhaus clients looking for new teams are Boldin, Johnson, Burress. I'd say that none of these guys gets traded. No one wants... them'

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 13, 2009 8:45 AM |


To quote Ice T, these guys have all '...played themselves...'.

Boldin seems like he may morph into T.O.'s younger son, what with his screaming at coach about wanting the ball during a tense playoff game.

Burress has court-date issues and is the poster child for those of us who think guns don't shoot people, arrogant dumb football players do it to themselves.

Johnson comes across like a bi-polar clown in that when things are great, he's fine and funny, but they're not, he hates the media, the town, and the league that made him rich.

And being represented by Rosenhaus doesn't help any of them.

If I'm a GM with guts, I avoid them at all costs.

They should all take a college course Moe teaches. It's called, Why Humility Matters 101.

I'd take the path the Saints did and sniff around for a gem like Colston or find with the Broncos did in Brandon Marshall.

There are tons of guys who'd kill to wear the NFL shield on Sunday afternoons in the Fall. These three guys act like they don't understand that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 13, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Seriously. You guys are unbelievable. Carter and El were NOT going to be cut from the team so re-doing their contracts helps the Skins immensely. And Carter had a pretty good season year before last. I know you will be saying "but that was 2 years ago." The same could be said about Julius Peppers - he had a great 08 season but if I remember correctly had an off year in 07.

If the Skins were to sign Asomugha at CB, bring back the "beloved" Champ Bailey, sign Peppers, Haynesworth, Jordan Gross, sign Peyton Manning at QB, Larry Fitzgerald and Boldin, Adrian Peterson at RB, and miraculously do this staying under the cap, you all would still find something to complain about.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 13, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

If the Skins were to sign Asomugha at CB, bring back the "beloved" Champ Bailey, sign Peppers, Haynesworth, Jordan Gross, sign Peyton Manning at QB, Larry Fitzgerald and Boldin, Adrian Peterson at RB, and miraculously do this staying under the cap, you all would still find something to complain about.

yeah, cuz it'll still be a doofus coach and even dumber gm! no team has ever won with that mix (barry switzer had been a head coach before he joined the girls.)

you give me a good hc and a good gm and a good owner and a good stadium. then i wouldn't complain.

Posted by: dealer1 | February 13, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

"Why is nobody awake
Im doing this new thing where i get home from whatever, take a nap till 11 then saty up all night. It saves so much time, and i feel like ive made the most out of my life the past few weeks. However, blogging is probably not making the most out of my life at this time, but regardless i forgot what i was even trying to get at

Posted by: DaFunBunch"


are you really doing that??

what time do you take your nap????

sounds interesting! Might be worth trying!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 13, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

One thing i was thinking about how the uncapped NFL might end up working out 'better'

Essentially you can have huge signing bonuses, which is nothing new, but now they take place of actual guaranteed contract numbers. Then the contract basically become incentive contracts, where everything in the contract is based upon stats... then that creates a 'scale' based upon position.

Now throwing signing bonuses at people is not the best idea, but if the CBA stays and rookies keep getting 30 mil without even playing, my 'new' way or thought is maybe preferable.

So based upon years experience and position, there are ranges of signing bonuses, which would set the market better than the current structure.

Doesnt ensure better playing, but players hold the advantage now by having bonuses plus contract numbers where they dont have to produce to make money (see ARE and carter). At least incentives help players have incentive. Sad to say, but it is needed.

Anyway, just a thought listening to Sports news radio and the Monty Show yesterday,.

Posted by: Zeebs | February 13, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

"you give me a good hc and a good gm and a good owner and a good stadium. then i wouldn't complain."

Posted by: dealer1 | February 13, 2009 9:20 AM |

I don't believe that. And if that is the way you feel, it's probably best to find another team to root for. This has been stated ad nauseum but guess I will have to repeat it. (1) Snyder is NOT going anywhere - we are stuck with him. Just be happy he does not love the limelight like Jerry Jones. (2) We are stuck with the Stadium - at least for a few more years, probably more. (3) We are stuck with Vinny for at least this season - although I've heard "rumors" that if we had a losing season, he will be sent on his merry way.

It is what it is.....


Posted by: Lisa_R | February 13, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

A good move with those two contracts.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 13, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I don't give a damn about punters. The Steelers/Cardinals Super Bowl featured two lousy punters.

The top 5 punters from the regular season:

Shane Lechler (OAK)
Donnie Jones (STL)
Brad Maynard (CHI)
Nick Harris (DET)
Kyle Larson (CIN)

All lousy teams.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 13, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Me and numbers generally don't get along, but from what I understand, if they decide not to pick up the options on Carter (not even mentioning Randle El) than it's a 5 million dollar cap hit? How is that any better beyond this year?

Posted by: ga8085 | February 13, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

If the Skins were to sign Asomugha at CB, bring back the "beloved" Champ Bailey, sign Peppers, Haynesworth, Jordan Gross, sign Peyton Manning at QB, Larry Fitzgerald and Boldin, Adrian Peterson at RB, and miraculously do this staying under the cap, you all would still find something to complain about.
Posted by: Lisa_R | February 13, 2009 9:10 AM

These moves would go two ways up here:
1. Stupid Danny/Vinny, just trying to make a big splash……
2. Great moves for the Skins, but Lachumpcantritejerkfatlosercanfora is a big dumb jerk because either I heard it somewhere before he could type it up, or because he did not put enough of a positive spin on it for my taste. Everything he writes is sooooo negative!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 13, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I repeat: It's a good move (these two contracts), whether you like/dislike Danny & Vinny or whether you like/dislike JLC.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 13, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

"Me and numbers generally don't get along, but from what I understand, if they decide not to pick up the options on Carter (not even mentioning Randle El) than it's a 5 million dollar cap hit? How is that any better beyond this year?"

Posted by: ga8085

No, if they don't pick up the option, then his base salary jumps to $1.95 million (from $1.3) for the 2010 season, and then he becomes a free agent after that season.

If they cut him, it's a $5.1 million cap hit.

That's why I said neither of them will be cut or released until after 2010. They essentially signed 2 year contracts.

Posted by: psps23 | February 13, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

ga, that is how i read it... what is the cap hit to release them this year?

cut those high contract guys like JT and MW and griff to make up for it.

Let the young guys under contract play.

only 4 picks would make this do-able, yes?

Posted by: Zeebs | February 13, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

ok, nevermind. so we have to keep them for two years... hmmm

Posted by: Zeebs | February 13, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

ga, that is how i read it... what is the cap hit to release them this year?

cut those high contract guys like JT and MW and griff to make up for it.

Let the young guys under contract play.

only 4 picks would make this do-able, yes?

Posted by: Zeebs

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Why would you want that? That would mean cutting 4 starters and replacing them with 4 draft picks, 2 of which are late rounders. It's negative immediate value and zero future value, because these guys will all be gone in 2 years regardless.

It makes no sense to cut guys just for the sake of cutting them.

Posted by: psps23 | February 13, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

'...One thing i was thinking about how the uncapped NFL might end up working out 'better'....

Posted by: Zeebs | February 13, 2009 9:25 AM

There are some of us who think there should be no cap in any professional sport.

Athletes point out there is no sal cap in Hollywood, on Wall Street, or in any other profession--why must they be limited by what they make when they have a shorter window to do it in?

Will Smith clocks $20 million a film and no one complains even though he'll film three movies a year.


Plus, an athlete, unlike Mr. Smith, has to bear health issues--and a shorter life expectancy-- that no other entertainer or business person ever has to confront.

Folks say: "Well, no cap means major markets will dominant" like they haven't heard of the Tampa Rays, Florida Marlins, Colorado Rockies, St Louis Cards, et al: small market teams in an uncapped sport that made it to their sports championships and/or won.

The 2000 Washington Redskins and 2008 New York Yankees are proof that spending money doesn't guarantee a championship, so why limit what a guy makes in the name of 'solidarity'?

There's no cap in baseball, but I bet any owner who sold his team tomorrow would do it at a profit--in fact, despite the claims of the lack of business health from high player salaries, when was the last time a pro sports team was sold at a loss?

To me, if an owner wants to burn cash on aging players and have a thin profit margin, that's his stupid problem.

No cap also means teams can retain and develope personnel. It allows a team to reward guys who've humbeld themselves and worked their way up from the bottom.

Just like the owners did to get to where they could buy the team in the first place.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 13, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

The more I think about it, the more I think this was a great move. Both guys are still useful (just not impact players) and both will be necessary for at least next season. If only we can do the same with Jansen, Smoot, and Randy Thomas.

Posted by: psps23 | February 13, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

If they cut him, it's a $5.1 million cap hit.

That's why I said neither of them will be cut or released until after 2010. They essentially signed 2 year contracts.

Posted by: psps23 | February 13, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Okay, thanks.

Posted by: ga8085 | February 13, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

The two moves are necessary because the Skins front office continually skates near the very thin ice of cap problems. Stretching their contracts this far into the future is not really smart in the long term--it just puts more dead salary in the future. In the end this constant restructuring is the greatest benefit to players who are far beyond their best days--the prime example is the drag that Portis' salary will exert in the upcoming years. The club itself only benefits in the immediate, not long term. As we have all seen it limits the options of a club that is in definite need of a do-over for half of its personnel. Players that should be cut based on performance are protected because of cap decisions made on their previous restructuring contracts. The Skins have put themselves on a treadmill that they can not get off of.

Posted by: driley | February 13, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

psps;

not draft picks, young guys. evans should get a chance to start. thomas should be expected to start.

thats two starters that need to be found either draft or FA.

I really dont care, but eventually you have to get young and give those guys a chance.

Posted by: Zeebs | February 13, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

"The 2000 Washington Redskins and 2008 New York Yankees are proof that spending money doesn't guarantee a championship, so why limit what a guy makes in the name of 'solidarity'?"

The New York Yankees have won 26 World Series'. The next closest franchise is the Cardinals, with 10. No other franchise has even reached double digits. No, it doesn't guarantee anything, but it does make it FAR more advantageous.

Posted by: psps23 | February 13, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

psp,

But even if you wanted to cut them and I'm not saying you should the cap hit is less then what it would have been under there old contracts.

I say keep them both next year as well they are both playing for low salaries a few Mil. Then after the 2010 season you let them become FA's and it cost you nothing.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

driley,

These contracts are nothing like the Portis contract if you can read and i know that you can, you will see that for not much money both of these guys will be gone after the 2010 season.

The only way the contract goes until 2015 is if they pick up the option and that will never happen.

You said that is causes more dead money in the future that is totally wrong after the 2010 season they become FA's it cost you nothing.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

"I really dont care, but eventually you have to get young and give those guys a chance.

Posted by: Zeebs"

That's fine, but having those guys on the roster doesn't prevent that. Randle El doesn't have anything near a stranglehold on that position, so there's ample opportunity for Thomas or Kelly to take that role. The last thing this team needs is less WRs that can help JC.

Same with Carter/Taylor. Evans is better suited as a rotating DE/DT anyway, so taking away Carter and Taylor would only hurt Evans' ability to do that, as he would be forced to play DE religiously.

Taylor and Washington I can understand cutting, because they give cap relief and enable the Skins to sign FAs. But Carter and ARE are still guys that can play a role, and they don't add any value to the team if they're cut.

Posted by: psps23 | February 13, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

True, but the cycle has to end somewhere... and paying these guys even though they dont produce is more of the same//

Posted by: Zeebs | February 13, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

+++WOW!!

Vinny and Danny make a Greeat move and JLaC dosen't acknowledge it.

Shocker!

Posted by: 4thFloor+++

Yes yes yes!! You are so ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!

JlC and the rest of us just dont' appreciate the genius of the Rwdskins FO enough.

He doesn't give Danny and Vinny and the rest proper props for writing a check for $3 million big ones to a free agent those same geniuses acquired and who got THREE whole sacks last year! Million bucks a sack. Here you go, Andre, and thanks!

AND, to top it, they wrote a check for $2.5 million to the best durn kick returning pass catchin' team savior in history, Antwaan Randle El!!! He is the main reason the Redkins last two seasons were triumphs!

Recession? Depression? Not for THOSE guys, Or the geniuses at Redskins Park who brought them into the fold,.

Yes, WOW! indeed 4th floor. JLC and the rest of us are just a bunch of durn INGRATES!!!

Why won't that little dweb recognize Greatness??? It'ss Scandal!

Posted by: TheCork | February 13, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

"I say keep them both next year as well they are both playing for low salaries a few Mil. Then after the 2010 season you let them become FA's and it cost you nothing."

Posted by: Flounder21"

Exactly. If what I understood of this post to be true, then this was a great move by Vinny.

Posted by: psps23 | February 13, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Guys, there is NO WAY we see an uncapped year.

Imagine for a moment the ripple effects if the national minimum wage was suspended for a year. Would employers purge their minimum-wage earners hoping to find cheaper labor? Would they arbitrarily change those salaries? How would those laborers react and what would be the fallout? What would need to happen the following year when the minimum wage comes back into effect? There are a great many variables to consider...

Now, on a much much much smaller scale, those same concerns are in play if we have one uncapped year sandwiched between 2 salary cap years. The problem is that no one really knows what would happen. How are the Jerry Joneses and Dan Snyders of the league going to behave? What are the Drew Rosenhauses going to demand for their clients? How are all those veterans with bloated cap numbers going to react/conduct themselves if they start getting dumped/cut? What happens to the draft class and the contracts they sign that year?

The problem is simply that there are too many variables, too much uncertainty, and no one wants to stand around and consider all the permutations and deal with the aftermath...

...but its gonna make for a great game of chicken over the next year during the CBA negotiations.

Posted by: p1funk | February 13, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

+++...jasno, you're the WORST!!!

Posted by: lacanforasuxd +++

Well, who better to cover the worst front office in the NFL?

Let's have a BIG shout out to fans like you who have cleverly deflected blame for this sad franchise onto one of the people who brings you the Bad News.

Good thing you weren't around in 1941. You'd have HATED the guy who reported the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Posted by: TheCork | February 13, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

http://www.eitmonline.com/home.html

halfway down, Cooley checks in

Posted by: Zeebs | February 13, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Jackpot Sarge

Posted by: bbrown4 | February 13, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Jackpot Sarge

Posted by: bbrown4 | February 13, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

whats a 'dweb'??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 13, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

+++Why is nobody awake

Im doing this new thing where i get home from whatever, take a nap till 11 then saty up all night.

Posted by: DaFunBunch +++

Well, Fun, that explains your "trade Samuels to the Eagles" and end up with THREE first round picks idea. You're Sleep deprived.

Your idea combines delusion (a first and a third for a fading OT) and insanity (help an in-division rival), so for God's sake, take a nap.

Posted by: TheCork | February 13, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Cork,

Could to see JLC has not fired you, you said this FO signed these players that is wrong my friend Joe Gibbs FO signed these guys.

The checks you like to point out that there writing for these guys, are less then the checks they would have paid them without the new deal.

And now instead of having a big cap hit to cut them after the 2010 season it will cost you nothing.

The argument is about these contracts not what happened in the past.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

From PFT,

CANTY, PARCELLS REUNION COMING?
Posted by Mike Florio on February 13, 2009, 9:24 a.m. EST
With rumors circulating in late 2007 of a potential return to the NFL by former Cowboys coach Bill Parcells, Jerry Jones moved quickly to lock up one of Parcells’ guys, receiver Patrick Crayton.

Crayton had been scheduled to become a free agent last March.

This time around, the Cowboys have yet to re-sign one of Parcells’ draft picks from his time in Dallas — defensive end Chris Canty.

And, as our own Tim MacMahon of the Dallas Morning News recently pointed out in a blurb we eyeballed in Friday’s Sporting News Today, Canty could be reuniting with Parcells in Miami.

MacMahon points out that Canty recently addressed the possibility of joining Parcells with the Dolphins in an appearance on Sirius NFL Radio.

“He did draft me,” Canty said. “You know, I like Bill, and I’ve always said there’s a part of me that’s always going to be a Parcells’ guy. I’ve played under Al Groh in college and then coming in as a rookie under Bill. What they instill in the brand of football that they play, it’s been with me so that would be a good fit. But you know we have to wait and see.”

Canty reportedly wants a contract that pays Tommy Kelly money (i.e., $18 million guaranteed, $50.5 million total).

“It’d have to start somewhere around there, if not higher,” Canty’s agent, Brad Blank, said last month. “We talked very briefly last summer at that level, and [the Cowboys] didn’t seem very interested.”

Canty was a second-round pick in 2005. He played in 2008 under the first-round restricted free agent tender of $2.01 million.

UPDATE: Thanks to all the commenters who pointed out that Canty was a fourth-round pick. We misread the roster in the 2008 NFL Record & Fact Book. Canty appears below Kevin Burnett in the alphabetical roster, who was the second-round pick in 2005.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

How is this article anything we don't know about Hall? Just random cheap shots at JLC...If you hate the guy so much, stop reading the blog.

Posted by: rich20ssu |

Wassamatta you? It's the REPORTER's fault. ALL his fault.

Some of these guys work at Redskin Park. They're just trying to save their job like Vinny is trying to save his by diverting attention from their own ineptness.

Posted by: TheCork | February 13, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Flound, thanks for posting, and for responding to corky, who is a dweb himself. Given the 2 picks the phins spent on DE types, I'd say that they might take a pass on going after Canty. Just my .02.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 13, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

cork, for as much as you claim that some of us defend/work for the team, you take the same tact when it comes to Jla.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 13, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Flound, thanks for posting, and for responding to corky, who is a dweb himself. Given the 2 picks the phins spent on DE types, I'd say that they might take a pass on going after Canty. Just my .02.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 13, 2009 10:41 AM |

Agreed,

Thats alot of money for him I don't think he gets that from anyone.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse


Yeah yeah, here it comes "Cork is a suck up to JLC" posts from the same people who think the FO is fine.

Nope. I don't care if JLC shi-ites or goes blind. And yup, he gets his cheap shots in along with his fair criticism.

But guess what? The team he is covering finished 2-6 last year and two of the reasons were the Bozos he just wrote about. Remember, Randle El and Carter were FA saviors the dufuses at redskins Park overpaid (along with ARCH and BRANDON) to come save the Franchise.

If a reporter wants to cheap shot people who ruined the team and still have their jobs, that's fine with me.

But this franchise stinks beccause of the incompetence in the Front office, and I get sick and tried of brainddead snark Heads acting like the only problem with the Redskins is the guy at the Post writing about them,.

Posted by: TheCork | February 13, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Cork,

Who are you including in the FO's for all those FA's sounds to me like Vinny and Danny only.

It has been written that Williams wanted Arch, and that Saunders wanted Brandon.

If I remember correctly Gibbs had full control of personell when those deals were done, but your right lets blame Vinny because he was there.

Vinny has done some bone head things and should be criticized for them, but when he makes a good move to get rid of, cheaper I might add two of the mistakes made by Gibbs he deserves credit.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

True flound, but the fish stinks from the head...

Posted by: Zeebs | February 13, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

"The team he is covering finished 2-6 last year and two of the reasons were the Bozos he just wrote about"

um, actually they finished 8-8.....most of the reason behind the failure the second half of the year were due to the offensive line....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 13, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

From PFT,

TEAM-BY-TEAM FRANCHISE TAG POSSIBILITIES
Posted by Mike Florio on February 13, 2009, 10:40 a.m. EST
Here’s a look at the most likely free agent to be slapped with the franchise tag between now and 4:00 p.m. EST on February 26.

Arizona Cardinals: Linebacker Karlos Dansby. (Another possibility is quarterback Kurt Warner.)

Atlanta Falcons: Punter Michael Koenen. (Already done.)

Buffalo Bills: None.

Baltimore Ravens: Linebacker/defensive end Terrell Suggs.

Chicago Bears: None.

Cleveland Browns: Safety Sean Jones.

Cincinnati Bengals: Receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh. (Another possibility is running back Cedric Benson.)

Carolina Panthers: Defensive end Julius Peppers. (Another possibility is tackle Jordan Gross.)

Denver Broncos: None.

Dallas Cowboys: Defensive end Chris Canty.

Detroit Lions: Kicker Jason Hanson.

Green Bay Packers: None.

Houston Texans: Cornerback Dunta Robinson.

Indianapolis Colts: Cornerback Kelvin Hayden. (Another possibility is center Jeff Saturday.)

Jacksonville Jaguars: None.

Kansas City Chiefs: None.

Miami Dolphins: Safety Yeremiah Bell.

Minnesota Vikings: None.

New England Patriots: Matt Cassel. (Done deal.)

New Orleans Saints: Linebacker Jonathan Vilma.

New York Giants: Running back Brandon Jacobs.

New York Jets: Kicker Mike Nugent.

Oakland Raiders: Cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha.

Philadelphia Eagles: None.

Pittsburgh Steelers: Guard Chris Kemoeatu.

San Diego Chargers: Running back Darren Sproles.

San Francisco 49ers: None.

St. Louis Rams: Safety Oshiomogho Atogwe.

Seattle Seahawks: Linebacker Leroy Hill.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Receiver Antonio Bryant.

Tennessee Titans: Kicker Rob Bironas.

Washington Redskins: None.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

True flound, but the fish stinks from the head...

Posted by: Zeebs | February 13, 2009 10:56 AM |

Thats true but the head is going to be around longer then you or I so we have to learn to live with it.

We have to hope the head can get some fabreez sprayed on it, an start smelling better because complaining is not going to work.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

carter was part of a defense that finished #4 overall....not part of the problem...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 13, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Sillyiest read of the day:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/123656-the-colt-brennan-hype
Posted by: alex35332 | February 13, 2009 9:04 AM

Oh, I beg to differ on the silliest of the day! However, its from the same site under nfc east preview.


Washington Redskins: 8-8 Regular Season

Washington may be the team with the least amount of team needs for the 2009 season.

Dumbest statement of the day.

Posted by: will_ga | February 13, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

Stop making sense you are giving me a headache.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I know flound, but I dont think it is wrong to criticize, that is what the blog is for... just like criticizing the critcizer (?)

Posted by: Zeebs | February 13, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

i will say, a beast DT will make AC better...

Doc Walker wants Haynesworth.

I dont think anything can make ARE better. He could be a wes welker type as a 3rd WR... all slants and come backs.

Posted by: Zeebs | February 13, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Cedric Benson potential franchise player? Only the Bengals. Sheesh.

Posted by: skinswest | February 13, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I know flound, but I dont think it is wrong to criticize, that is what the blog is for... just like criticizing the critcizer (?)

Posted by: Zeebs | February 13, 2009 11:03 AM |

I'm not telling you not to criticize please by all means criticize all you want, I'm just saying that the people that criticize everything just for the sake of doing it are idiots.

I criticize JLC but I also complament him when he writes something good.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Will,
I dunno I think that the least amount of needs line is kinda dumb, but not completely dumb. Lot of teams in the east with big holes.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 13, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like Cork is JLC's waterboy...

The JLC article in the Post contains factually incorrect information. The Skins are one of two teams that are over the salary cap; however they are not the worst (@4.9mil over) -- the Colts are at 5.9 mil.

My problem with JLC is he doesn't accept how the team operates. The Skins sign players to large salaries and rework the contracts every year to clear cap space. The owner is willing to spend money. Yet he constantly complains about spending money on players.

A bigger issue is the journalistic integrity. He makes sh_T up and states it as fact or hides behind quotes from dubious sources. His articles often contain factually incorrect information. Plus he misrepresents news conferences and press releases as interviews.

Another issue is JLC is not a Skins fan. He's not really even a football fan. So his constant negative reporting grates on real fans...

Posted by: siris | February 13, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Most papers do not hire fans of a team to be reporters of the same team, get over it siris.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 13, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Siris,

One thing you left out, he only gives the information that supports his claims.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Oh and just for the record -- I still like to read JLC's articles and it's okay to be critical. I just wish he'd be a little more positive in his reporting.

Posted by: siris | February 13, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Lot of teams in the east with big holes.
Posted by: alex35332 | February 13, 2009 11:13 A

True. I just think that since we came in last that means we have the most work to do of the four teams and the farthest to go. Can we get to the top of our division next year? Absolutely, but its gonna be a long haul overtaking the other three.

Posted by: will_ga | February 13, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Why does the stupidity of Oakland giving that contract to Tommy Kelly mean other teams should have to pay at least that for Chris Canty? Canty is a nice player but any team that thinks giving him that much money is a good idea is going to regret it. I hope some of these agents with ridiculous demands price their clients out of jobs like what is going on with baseball.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 13, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

JLaC’s alright. So many on here want to shoot the messenger, yet until they become a regular winner the criticism is sure to continue. The way Snyder runs the team leaves him open to criticism more than most, whether it’s constant HC change, a$$backward HC searches (what successful team hires the coordinators before the coach – really), etc.

Posted by: skinswest | February 13, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I think our division is funny like that. We have seen so many power teams, cant think of the last time we saw only 1 team from the east go into the playoffs. Yet the Conference winner is rarely the last team standing in the playoffs from our conference. Eagles were no 2 this season went to the championship game. Giants were no 2 or 3 or whatever and went to the SB. When the skins went in at 10-6 and the Giants won the division we still went further in the playoffs.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 13, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

will_ga,

The Cowgirls are in total disarray, they are in a worse mess then we are.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 13, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

"Will Smith clocks $20 million a film and no one complains even though he'll film three movies a year."

Ill complain. That dude cant act his way out of a nutsack! Hes the worst actor Ive seen in some time that the masses seem to eat up... makes me sick. Hes the fresh prince of bell air! Come on ppl, stop paying money to see Hancock!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | February 13, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Criticizing the FO's is fine but they also deserve praise when the do things right.

JLC never gives praise he turns good things in to negatives with his spin on the information.

That is what pisses people off, and the fact that he has made everyone over there hate him, so the inside information he should be getting goes elswhere.

He killed the Skins did a whole big post on the guy they didn't get from the Canadian football league.

When they do sign a guy from there the KR, he makes that out to be a bad thing.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

To add to that Will Smith has been in 2 movies I have pure hate for. "Wild Wild West", with a giant robot spider WTF, and "I am Legend", which spits in the face of the book, which was a all time great horror stories.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 13, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

This club is hopeless.

The example of the Caps in the SAME city doesn't seem to have had the slightest effect upon the Redskins insight into how to rebuild an aging team that consistently disappointed in its attempts to win with name players beyond their primes.

Carter and Randle El are has-beens.

Randle El's most famous play as a professional was a QUARTERBACK while Andre Carter started 16 games and came up with as many sacks as DeMarcus Ware got in ONE game last season.

I would put Carter and Randle El on a par level with Ryan Plackemeier.

Both players when compared to their peers fell WAY short of even being solid, mid-level performers.

Instead of extending their deals to save immediate cap space they should have cut both players and used the Jason Taylor $8.5M to balance it out and allow the club to clear the decks more for 2010.

These guys are never going to learn.

Dan Snyder has all the makings of a Art Modell, an owner who didn't win for 30 years after the merger because he didn't want to listen to football people and manage his club the way other successful owners did.

In his case it was UNDER-spending on talent and not retaining key players that doomed the Browns.

But the end result - no championships - was the same.

It was only after the move to Baltimore and the ascendancy of Ozzie Newsome and Modell's willingness to listen to him that Modell was rewarded with a Super Bowl win in 2000.

Hopefully, Snyder will wake up before he turns 67.

He's only in his early 40's now.

Anyone want a continuation of this for the next 15-20 years?

Posted by: leopard09 | February 13, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

4TH, thanks for posting that.

This was interesting:

"Andre Carter also would benefit from the occasional series off. He played 85.9 percent (802 of 933) of the snaps last year"

Could have used a break here and there....losing Daniels really set the team back HUGE....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 13, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

VaBeach,

I think that is going a little far he has been good in some of his Movies, my kids loved Hancock.

I will grant you that he is no Bobby D., Al P. or Tom Hanks, but he is OK.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

To add to that Will Smith has been in 2 movies I have pure hate for. "Wild Wild West", with a giant robot spider WTF, and "I am Legend", which spits in the face of the book, which was a all time great horror stories.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 13, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Have you seen what Will's girl Jada Pinket is doing recently? Started a metal band called "Wicked Wisdom". They played Ozzfest in 04 I think it was, oh and by the way... THAT COMPLETELY SUCK DONKEY BALLS THRU A STRAW! Guess it runs in their family

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | February 13, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Rats. When I saw this headline -- "On Carter, Randle El deals" -- I was hoping the story was going to be about trading both these guys for offensive linemen. A guy can dream.

JLC isn't negative, he's an objective reporter covering a crappy team. That's just the way it is.

The Cowgirls might be in disarray, but I'll take their roster over ours any day. We should be thankful they refuse to hire a real coach.

Posted by: RIP-21 | February 13, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

WOW!!

Vinny and Danny make a Greeat move and JLaC dosen't acknowledge it.

Shocker!

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 12, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

JLaC must have scorned you in some way.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 13, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I liked "I am legend" but then again I'm like Thornton Melon I don't read books who has time I see the movie I'm in an out in two hours.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

They can't trade El as that would remove a 3rd WR option for next year hopefully.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 13, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Check out my bands website:

www.myspace.com/raise78

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | February 13, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

JLC isn't negative, he's an objective reporter covering a crappy team. That's just the way it is.

The Cowgirls might be in disarray, but I'll take their roster over ours any day. We should be thankful they refuse to hire a real coach.


Posted by: RIP-21 | February 13, 2009 11:42 AM |

These are two of the dumbest comments I have seen all day.

JLC is so far removed from being objective that he couldn't find it with the Hubble Space Telescope.

You would take the Cowboys roster please they haven't won a playoff game in 13 years, the Skins have two in that time period.

The Cowgirls are terrible Romo throws more interceptions then any QB in the league, and T.O. is a cancer on any team he plays for.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Flounder,
If you ever get around to reading I would recommend it. Its a short story 200 pages or less.

Its 10 times better and here is why:
Takes place in LA so no safety of the island surrounded by water. The creatures are not low intellect zombie type things but Vampires with human intelligence. The main character is not a scientist like they always make him in the movies but a blue collar full blown alcoholic who just goes into fits of violence. There are a lot of other things that I wont get into her to spoil it.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 13, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Alex,

Sounds good maybe I'll check it out, I just get so bored sitting and reading.

My Wife loves to read but I just can't stay still for that long unless the Skins are playing.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Let me do JLC job again this is from redskins.com

By Gary Fitzgerald
Redskins.com
Posted: February 13, 2009

The Redskins have re-signed veteran long snapper Ethan Albright, the team announced on Friday.

Albright played in all 16 games last season and was flawless at his position. He has been a staple on the Redskins special teams units with his consistency, accuracy and experienced leadership.

The 6-5, 265-pounder, easily identified around Redskins Park by his bright red hair, is a dependable veteran, having played in 218 games, including a current 13-year streak in which he has not missed a contest.

Known as one of the NFL’s best and most reliable long snappers, Albright earned a Pro Bowl nod following the 2008 season.

He has also made his share of plays on kickoff and punt coverage units, contributing 65 tackles during his career. He had three special teams tackles in 2008.

Albright joined the NFL as an undrafted free agent by the Miami Dolphins in 1994. He spent the first half of that season on the Dolphins practice squad before being released and finishing the year on Green Bay’s practice squad.

He rejoined the Dolphins in 1995, appearing in 10 games, before moving on to Buffalo (1996-2000) and now with Washington (2001-present).

-- ALRIDGE ADDED

The Redskins have claimed running back Anthony Alridge off waivers from the Denver Broncos, the team announced on Friday.

The 5-9, 185-pound Alridge spent last season on injured reserve after signing with the Broncos as an undrafted rookie free agent from the University of Houston.

He was waived by the Broncos on Feb. 11.

As a senior for the Cougars, Alridge rushed for 1,597 yards (6.2 yards-per-carry average) and 14 touchdowns and caught 42 passes for 428 yards and five touchdowns.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Aww... I liked wild wild west. It was at least mildly entertaining. Now, Pursuit of Happyness had me almost suicidal by the time it was about over. Just painful to sit thru...

Posted by: will_ga | February 13, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

VaBeach, RE: Will Smith

What happended? Did the Smith's screw you out of some money for a contractor job or something. Wow, let your hate pour through, cuz... To say that Will smith can't act is just crazy. I'm not a big fan, but if he couldn't act he wouldn't have got movie roles since 1993. He's not great, but he ain't terrible either.

You must've had acting asperations as a youth. Any inspiring actor I know can not stand singers/rappers who act in movies.
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Two playoff wins in 12 years isn't something to rejoice over either. More than the Cowboys, yes. But they aren't that much worse.

If you compare rosters from top to bottom, Dallas has the better roster.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 13, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

'...I'll complain. That dude can't act his way out of a nutsack!...'

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | February 13, 2009 11:31 AM |


The thing is, he's a good dramatic actor, but he keeps making the same kind of wack super-hero-moralistic-guy movie over and over again.

Will Smith is as over exposed as Jenna Jamison but for all the wrong reasons. Hers are infinitely more interesting than his.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 13, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

This picture on Cooleys site belongs in the Skins Cowboys rivalry HOF!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_IdiQ9VsQfWI/SZV_4RCHt6I/AAAAAAAABkc/dEfr5V1dItQ/s1600-h/IMG_1768.JPG

Posted by: alex35332 | February 13, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

put Albright in the ring of fame.

i don't know anyone who is more famed, for doing so little.

but what little he does, it's still important, ask pittsburgh.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 13, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

hilarious, alex...

Posted by: RedDMV | February 13, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

JLC never gives praise he turns good things in to negatives with his spin on the information.
That is what pisses people off, and the fact that he has made everyone over there hate him, so the inside information he should be getting goes elswhere.
He killed the Skins did a whole big post on the guy they didn't get from the Canadian football league.
When they do sign a guy from there the KR, he makes that out to be a bad thing.
Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 11:34

I don’t know flound, I think that there are many up here who only look to and automatically interpret things he writes as negative. For example, below is what he wrote about the KR from Canada, and for the life of me, I cannot see any “negative spin” or anything of the sort:


The Redskins have signed kicker Dave Rayner and running back-kick returner Dominique Dorsey, the team announced.
Both were signed to futures contracts, making them in essence extra bodies for the offseason. Rayner should provide some degree of competition to Shaun Suisham, in theory, during camp, though he lacks any NFL pedigree. It's nothing like going out and spending actual money on a proven NFL kicker (but again, don't expect too much in the spending department around here).

Rayner has been with seven different teams since entering the league in 2005 as a 6th round pick of the Colts. He spent all of 2006 with the Packers but is a journeyman's journeyman. Last year Suisham had no other kickers in camp, and he is coming off one of the worst seasons in the league.
Dorsey, 5-7 and 170 pounds, spent the last three years as a return specialist and running back in the Canadian Football League. He earned the John Agro Special Teams Award as the league's most outstanding special teams player.
By Jason La Canfora | February 4, 2009;


I don’t recall him “killing” the FO for not getting the other guy from the CFL either. Also, what “facts” are there that everyone at the park hates him? Obviously not everyone hates him, b/c he still gets info and still has sources. Do you need Cindy to confirm it for you again? He also (IMO) gives praise when it is due……look through the archives. There just hasn’t been much to praise lately.

There just seem to be people who are so thin skinned that they can’t handle someone’s opinion that isn’t 100% in line with their own. And it just comes across as being a whiny crybaby when they continually shout out for his job or call him names or whatever (no matter what the post says or doesn’t say), and then in the next breath criticize the FO in a manner far more scathing than JLC. Internet tough guys at their best. And then to look a little more PC, the fallback is always something along the lines of “it’s okay to criticize”, or whatever.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 13, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Aldridge added?

Another 5'9" speed guy?

His addition plus that of the CFL special teams guy means the FO has gotten the message that it needs a midget-sized speed guy to return punts or 'flip the field'.

Knowledgable fans call this the "Darren Sproles effect".

If we had the picks, we could get Percy Harvin and get the real deal at 6'0 200lbs.

After all, midget players only provide half the benefit of taller ones.

(INSERT rimshot audio)

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 13, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Great Cooley pic!

Posted by: will_ga | February 13, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I think the credit goes to Tanner Cooley on that picture.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 13, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

dl,

Read this and you will see what I'm talking about,

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/01/redskins_pass_on_local_pass_ru.html

Anything JLC reports up here can be found other places first, he gets no scoops.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

How about getting Jason "Candle" signed,I mean he is your statrting QB he only through six interceptions last season while running for his life and learning another numbskull offense that featured one so-called impact wideout,a tightend obsessed with internet porn(HIS),two highly rated draft picks(KID N'PLAY)who couldn't catch a cold and a diva running back who runs his mouth, so how about showing him some appreciation by giving him some security.

Posted by: dargregmag | February 13, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Two playoff wins in 12 years isn't something to rejoice over either. More than the Cowboys, yes. But they aren't that much worse.

If you compare rosters from top to bottom, Dallas has the better roster.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 13, 2009 12:00 PM |

Red,

You are right but it's better then the Cowgirls.

Dallas has more talent but not a better roster, we should know that putting a ton of high priced talent together does not make a good team.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

"It's hard to imagine him not being able to beat out Chris Wilson or Rob Jackson for a roster spot, at the very least, and not being a strong-side replacement for Marcus Washington on passing downs"

dl, this is exactly the type of stuff that jla loves. Speculation of the highest degree, as well as a dig at VC for drafting Jackson, and him never getting on the field.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 13, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

How about getting Jason "Candle" signed,I mean he is your statrting QB he only through six interceptions last season while running for his life and learning another numbskull offense that featured one so-called impact wideout,a tightend obsessed with internet porn(HIS),two highly rated draft picks(KID N'PLAY)who couldn't catch a cold and a diva running back who runs his mouth, so how about showing him some appreciation by giving him some security.

Posted by: dargregmag | February 13, 2009 12:15 PM |

Well because like most of us they are not sold on JC yet, and he only throw 6 INT's but he didn't thow many TD's either.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I guess Cooley saw Witten in the shower.

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 13, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Flounder,
Having read that again, it was indeed a critical piece, and as the skins don’t run a 3-4, probably shouldn’t be looking to sign the guy. I will say it is alarming that nobody on the scouting staff had even heard of the guy, though. As for me, I would argue with JLC just like I typed above; not come out railing about what a waste of a reporter he is, etc like some do. That’s just me I guess. Maybe my skin is thicker than others. I have also come to appreciate what I think are often jabs he puts in his pieces that are only designed to rile up some of the thinner skinned folks up here. Kind of funny actually.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 13, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

After the NHL season, George McPhee will be available to tutor the Redskins management on how to build a competitive team. Of course, it is not a new idea. It is done through the draft. The only free agents considered should not be the high priced type the Skins usually pursue.

Posted by: chopin224 | February 13, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

thats called flip-flopping for those at home....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 13, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Yeah yeah, here it comes "Cork is a suck up to JLC" posts from the same people who think the FO is fine.

Nope. I don't care if JLC shi-ites or goes blind. And yup, he gets his cheap shots in along with his fair criticism.

But guess what? The team he is covering finished 2-6 last year and two of the reasons were the Bozos he just wrote about. Remember, Randle El and Carter were FA saviors the dufuses at redskins Park overpaid (along with ARCH and BRANDON) to come save the Franchise.

If a reporter wants to cheap shot people who ruined the team and still have their jobs, that's fine with me.

But this franchise stinks beccause of the incompetence in the Front office, and I get sick and tried of brainddead snark Heads acting like the only problem with the Redskins is the guy at the Post writing about them,.

Posted by: TheCork | February 13, 2009 10:46 AM |
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Amazing. This is essentially the same post Corksucker wrote on February 4th, 2009; January 21st, 2009; December 16th, 2008; November 12th, 2008; etc., etc., etc.

The Corksucker has the whole "I-don't-care-about-JLC-but-you-people-need-to-stop-criticizing-him" deal down to a science of weak cut & paste retorts!

Yo, fat boy, STFU already.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 13, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

chopin,

I agree the McPhee is very good at his job, he has that young caps team playing very well. Getting Bruce to coach that team was a very good choice, he is a no nonsense guy that tells it like it is.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

From PFT,

LIONS PLAN TO TAG HANSON
Posted by Mike Florio on February 13, 2009, 10:58 a.m. EST
The Lions used a second-round draft pick on kicker Jason Hanson, way back in 1992. Nearly 17 years later, he’s still with the team.

But he’s due to become a free agent on February 27.

So could his tenure with the team be ending?

Um, no.

According to the Detroit Free Press, the Lions will use the franchise tag to keep Hanson in place, if they can’t sign him to a new deal before February 19, the deadline for using the tag.

“Frequently, a deadline kind of moves things along, and the franchise deadline’s coming up next week,” G.M. Martin Mayhew said Thursday. “I think we’ll get something done prior to that. If we don’t, then we’ll franchise Jason.”

On the surface, it might seem silly to use the tag on punters and kickers. They generally are a dime a dozen; if one leaves, another one can easily be found.

But good ones are rare. And Hanson has demonstrated over the years the kind of consistency and accuracy that makes the move make plenty of sense.

Because Hanson’s cap number in 2008 was $2.080 million, the franchise tender will be a bit higher than $2.483 million. the average of the five highest-paid punters/kickers last season (Sebastian Janikowski, Robbie Gould, Adam Vinatieri, John Kasay, and Brian Moorman). Instead, it will take $2.496 million to keep Hanson for one more season.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

From PFT,

This dude needs to get over his self,

MARTZ SAYS FOLKS ARE TRYING TO KEEP HIM OUT OF THE LEAGUE
Posted by Mike Florio on February 13, 2009, 11:16 a.m. EST
Former Rams coach, Lions offensive coordinator, and 49ers offensive coordinator Mike Martz is out of the NFL. And he claims that his current employment status results directly from the efforts of folks who like it that way.

“People are determined to keep me out of the league,” Martz told Tom Curran of NBCSports.com. “It’s been going on for three years and at this point, I can’t fight it. I just can’t fight it. Three years of people putting it out there that I’m a high-maintenance lunatic.

“I keep asking, ‘Who says these things?’ No one will tell you. But I just put two and two together. But when you have a tag and the same damaging things get said two or three times it becomes very hard to shake that tag.”

Martz thinks that the information is coming from the Rams.

“Most of the perception came from St. Louis,” Martz said. “There was so much bitterness and anger and it all stems from my relationship Jay [Zygmunt]. Really, it emanated from a couple people and I’ve now been dogged with it throughout my career.”

Then again, Martz hasn’t done anything since leaving St. Louis to change the perception. Last month, former Lions coach Rod Marinelli seemed to take aim at Martz.

And Martz’s public griping about the closing moments of a Monday night loss to the 49ers last season did nothing to change opinions of him. (Martz was later fined $20,000 for his remarks.)

As the tired saying goes, perception is reality.

In this case, Martz needs to consider the possibility that the perception really is the reality.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Cork,

+++The checks you like to point out that there writing for these guys, are less then the checks they would have paid them without the new deal.

And now instead of having a big cap hit to cut them after the 2010 season it will cost you nothing.

Posted by: Flounder21 +++

And in your fervent desire to back the FO, you've once again missed the point. This is yet another "re-arrange the deck chairs" move this franchise has been forced to make year after year ever since Snyder and Cerrato arrived.

Last year, aside from the pathetic draft class, it was giving away a top pick for a washed-up Jason Taylor and his $8 million contract. Without THAT bad move, they wouldn't need to re-do ARE and Carter's contracts.


So while I defend the reporting of bad news,and you defend those who make sure there is an endless supply of bad news, the team continues to disappoint and underperform.

And THAT's the Point..


Posted by: TheCork | February 13, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

thats called flip-flopping for those at home....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 13, 2009 12:31 PM


Me? I guess admitting I was wrong about one piece of a post I made is a bad thing? Tough to get someone up here to admit they were wrong, and when they do it is still seen by some as negative....There it is.....two ways to look at something and which way do you go?
And if you weren't referencing me, uh.....nevermind.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 13, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Who cares about this cap nonsense...I mean really way too big a deal of this is made by many including JLCantreporta.

We get it. Redskins spend over the cap, have to restructure, pay thier players handsomely and Dan Snyder has to pay all this cash over the cap out of his pocket and push liability to the future.

#1) I don't care how much Danny spends...it is his money not mine. The more the merrier as far as I am concerned. Please do not give me the nieve BS about that is why beer and parking are so expensive. This is a big business and they charge as much as they possibly can regardless of results, salaries or anything else. I don't see any stories about $2 beers at Lions games do you?

#2) Every year is supposed to be the disater year and we hear terrible doom and gloom. Yet we get to sign the free agents the team wants and end up under the cap. Don't be suprised when you see a Monster contract for D. Hall and 1 other guy this year. Seriously I can not rememebr the last time we did not get a FA the team wanted because of lack of money/cap space. Thier poor personel choices are not $ related.

#3) Good for ARE, Carter and any other player that gets paid. Not big fans of either of these guys, but all they do is try to entertain me (all of Redskins Nation) and risk thier physical well being to do it. I would rather Snyders millions go to them instea of some hedge fund or a Tom Cruise movie.

I am not a FO appologist, but MONEY IS NOT THE PROBLEM....talent evaluation is. Poor choices as to who they sign as FAs, Poor evaluations of draft picks who do not work out and replacing guys at the wrong position are the issues.

The Patriots are NOT good because they have a better cap situation. They are good because they saw soemthing in Tom Brady and were right, becasue they knew Randy Moss was a good risk and were right, becasue they drafted sucessfully on the lines. Cause the kicker and punter they picked up that anyone could have had were the right calls. It is all about picking the right guys and then letting the bean counters and capoligist decide what to call the money and what column to put it in.

Posted by: JLR75 | February 13, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Last year, aside from the pathetic draft class, it was giving away a top pick for a washed-up Jason Taylor and his $8 million contract. Without THAT bad move, they wouldn't need to re-do ARE and Carter's contracts.


So while I defend the reporting of bad news,and you defend those who make sure there is an endless supply of bad news, the team continues to disappoint and underperform.

And THAT's the Point..

Posted by: TheCork | February 13, 2009 12:40 PM |

That has nothing to do with this because Taylors contract is not guaranteed they can cut Taylor today and there is no cap hit.

And you still are blaming Vinny for these guys, Gibbs was in charge not Vinny so blame Gibbs if you want to blame someone.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

MEL KAUFMAN’s CAUSE OF DEATH

In an obit today, the Los Angeles Times reports that former Redskin linebacker Mel Kaufman died of “natural causes, specifically and intra-abdominal hemorrhage related to pancreatitis. Kaufman had complained of abdominal pains before his death.”

Still sad, of course, but apparently the tragedy wasn't compounded by his death being due to football related causes.

Posted by: TheCork | February 13, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Cork,

That is a terrible thing and all arguments aside, I feel bad for his family and friends.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

The thing is, he's a good dramatic actor, but he keeps making the same kind of wack super-hero-moralistic-guy movie over and over again.

Will Smith is as over exposed as Jenna Jamison but for all the wrong reasons. Hers are infinitely more interesting than his.


Posted by: MistaMoe | February 13, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

A good dramatic actor... omg... I have never had any aspiration of being an actor. I just cant for the life of me understand how anyone could consider him a good actor, its seems so fake to me. I guess I like movies too much... but Red, you have horrible taste obviously.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | February 13, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Va,

Give me some actors you like so I can better understand why you hate Will Smith.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

VaBeachBlitz

Did you ever watch 'Ali'?

What about "The Six Degrees of Seperation?

The crying scene in 'The Pursuit of Happyness" is fine.

It's the rest of his stuff that's wack.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 13, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

+++Yo, fat boy, STFU already.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 ++++

Dear RI Contributor:

Thank you for your submission. We will, with your permission, we will forward your poem "Yo fat boy, STFU already" to the Pulitzer Prize Committee.

We have also entered it in the first annual "Snoop Dog Funky Fuh-shizzle Ersatz Street and/or Fake Ghetto Bad Boy Impressionist Prize" for use of terms like "yo" and "fat boy" and "STFU already," when accusing their betters of a lack of imagination.

Posted by: TheCork | February 13, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

what if we jus release jason taylor ..and sign haynesworth to fill his cap spot...then reconstruct a few contracts to get under the cap and we should b good to sign the 4 draft picks ..

Posted by: lilchenzo26 | February 13, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

There's a world of difference between a great actor and a "movie star."

Throw Will Smith into the mix with Don Cheadle, Denzel Washington, Forrest Whitaker, Morgan Freeman and then rank them 1 - 5 on acting ability, not box office draw.

In any objective ranking, Will ends up #5.

Having said that, I like most of his films; but by no means would I classify him as a "great actor."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 13, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

when accusing their betters of a lack of imagination.


Posted by: TheCork | February 13, 2009 1:07 PM |
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Still laboring under that delusion, I see.

You're a human zero, as I've already said.

But you're also an easy mark. And why not? No one else spends so much time running down any and all critics of JLC to issue "snarky" and even "superior" posts.

Corksucker, you are unique... in the same way Sanjaya is unique... in the same way the Octomom is unique.... Every blog needs a freak, and you fill that role well.

Selah.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 13, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I guess I like movies too much... but Red, you have horrible taste obviously.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | February 13, 2009 12:54 PM

VBB, to each his own, to each his own.

I like movies also. In fact, I've been crticized for watching too many movies.

It just seems like you have it out for the guy. Like I said, did he screw you out of a business arrangement? Did he turn you down for an autograph? Steal your girlfriend?

I don't know, not to sound self-righteous, or serving, I just don't hate on anybody. I may not care for people, but I never go on a rant about my utter disdain for another person.

Unless you're an immature little jerkoff from S.C.

Will Smith isn't a great actor, and I can sort of understand your point about his following, but people come out to see his movies on the regular - they have since '96, and say what you want about the Fresh Prince of Bel Air sitcom, it hepled him hone his skills and prepared him for films. He took an advantage of an opportunity - that's what it boils down to. Are you mad that he took advantage? Were you one to pass up opportunities when younger, I may have bad taste (shocker!), but you're sounding like a bitter, jealous, agenda filled dude.

Who are your favorite actors?

Posted by: RedDMV | February 13, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

This picture on Cooleys site belongs in the Skins Cowboys rivalry HOF!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_IdiQ9VsQfWI/SZV_4RCHt6I/AAAAAAAABkc/dEfr5V1dItQ/s1600-h/IMG_1768.JPG

Posted by: alex35332 | February 13, 2009 12:02 PM
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Thanks for the best laugh I've had all day.

Make that the ONLY laugh.

("If it was fun, they wouldn't call it work.")
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 13, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

"...MARTZ SAYS FOLKS ARE TRYING TO KEEP HIM OUT OF THE LEAGUE..."

Keep Mike Martz out of the league?

Talk about gall.

Next, Larry Holmes will complain that age is what keeps him from a re-match with Evander Holyfield.

And if folks think he's right, think of the implications that'll come when all the world's failures will get a chance to prove they didn't deserve the first one they got.

George Bush will be re-elected--again.

Flava Flav will get another show where he can mack scrippa pretty chicks while the world laughs.

Wacko Jacko will invite another round of curious young men into his domicile for a round of Jesus Jucie and back rides.

OJ will marry out of his race and move back to Brentwood.

Mike Martz doesn't understand that the sand has run to the bottom of his professional sunglass.

We all know now that "The Greatest Show on Turf" amazed because Kurt Warner and accuracy are closer and more important to each other than stink is to doo-doo.

Or A-Fraud to a needle.

Martz needs to find a nice college job or a high school gig where his fantastic x and o doodles will amaze.

'Cuz in the NFL, it ain't happenin' for him no more.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 13, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Were you one to pass up opportunities when younger, I may have bad taste (shocker!), but you're sounding like a bitter, jealous, agenda filled dude.

Who are your favorite actors?

Posted by: RedDMV | February 13, 2009 1:25 PM |


Red,

You did not just break out Shocker, I took a girl on a date to see Shocker when I was in High School, that was the worst movie ever made. Luckily for me she did not hold it against me.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Unless you're an immature little jerkoff from S.C.

Spurrier bashing? That's a bandwagon I can jump on! Oh wait...

Posted by: will_ga | February 13, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Best Actors:

These are in order only for the top 3 and then it's just guys I like.

Marlon Brando for his work in the Godfather alone, also he was great in Apocalypse now.

Al Pacino

Bobby D.

Tom Hanks

John Malkovich

Kevin Spacey

Nicolas Cage

Christopher Walken

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I left out:

Robert Duvall

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

+++But you're also an easy mark. And why not? No one else spends so much time running down any and all critics of JLC to issue "snarky" and even "superior" posts.+++---MrREDSKIN21

Well at least I got you to stop pretending to be the Blog's resident Hip Hop writer..

Where's you're "yo" Homes? Why are you suddenly writing like a pasty faced community college psychology prof?

Since this is the umpteenth time you've returned to your tiresome "Cork backs JLC" theme, mebbe you should forgo accusations regarding lack of imagination.

Glass houses and such as.

Now, write your "clever" retort and slither back down to Mom's basement. Much as I'd love to keep contributing fodder for Denby's "Snark II" sequel, like the rest of your betters I need to move on to more important things.

Posted by: TheCork | February 13, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Keep my name out your mouth punk !

Posted by: slipperyrichard | February 13, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Martz needs to find a nice college job or a high school gig where his fantastic x and o doodles will amaze.

'Cuz in the NFL, it ain't happenin' for him no more.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 13, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I could see Martz being a choice for head coach in the UFL, as Fassel is going to be coaching the LA/LV team maybe Martz in SF/Sacramento, having 2 coaches with Super Bowl on their resume would help that league out and build a great possible California rivalry.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 13, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Best actor?

Paul Newman

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 13, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Not To Distant Future Headline:
Jason Taylor signs deal with Patriots

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 13, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

flounder21

Folks might beef, but I'd add Joaquin Phoenix to that list.

The guy simply takes over a scene when he's working.

And Michael Caine is one of the best most Americans never talk about.

But for real ol' school. Only one actor gets the award:

H Bogart: Key Largo, Casablanca, Treasure Sierra Madre, Dead Reckoning, Dead End....

'Nuff said..

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 13, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Flounder - if you like Malkovich and have not seen it yet check Burn after Reading. Strange movie - Coen Brothers flick. But Malkovich and Brad Pitt put together some funny sequences.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 13, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

more of the same up in here, until the skins prove that deferring payments and keeping diminishing vets works, JLAC has every right to be critical. why do the JLAC haters always get upset with his critical writing when the skins are mediocre at best?! JLAC writes articles for a paper, he does not make personnel decisions, tired of babies cryin up in here about JLAC.

Posted by: dadanimal | February 13, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Hard to pick favorite actors. I really like Tom Hanks as a dramatic actor, but would be interested to see if he could slip back into a comedic role for a movie or two. Bachelor Party 3, anyone????

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 13, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Paul Newman v Humphrey Bogart

Slap Shot, The Sting, Butch Cassidy, Cool Hand Luke

v

Casablanca, Maltese Falcon, Treasure of the Sierra Madre, Key Largo

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 13, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

RI is becoming an un-funny version of Ground Hog Day....

Al Pacino: Overrated. He has overacted in every film he has done in the last 15 years. I last liked him in Sea of Love

Bobby D.: Obviously

Tom Hanks: over sentimental, psuedo important dog crappe. Was great as a comedic actor, but "serious" Hanks is a joke.

John Malkovich: brilliant

Kevin Spacey: can be brilliant

Nicolas Cage: pre-oscar brilliant, post oscar garbage

Christopher Walken: brilliant

Someone said J. Phoenix....what? Johnny Cash should come back from the grave and give that dueche a serious whup azz!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 13, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Tom Hanks: over sentimental, psuedo important dog crappe. Was great as a comedic actor, but "serious" Hanks is a joke.
Posted by: chrislarry | February 13, 2009 2:14 PM

A joke? Seriously? He might argue that with you while he shines up his 2 best actor awards…….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 13, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Yeah and Jethro Tull laughs while polishing their heavy metal award. Hanks blows hanky.

One vote for Phillip Seymour Hoffman.

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 13, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Man chrislarry. Not enough sleep from the kid or something. Salty.

Work is an unfunny version of Groundhog Day.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 13, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

anyone catch the j phoenix interview on lettermen...classic....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 13, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Shocked I am not seeing Clint Eastwood's name out there. I would also put up Jim Carrey, if you are going to say that Will Smith has talent.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 13, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Aren't we all forgetting someone?

Rhymes with Buck Morris?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 13, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Floud, that's a good list. I just seen cage in Leaving Las Vegas for the first time a few weeks ago... Great movie!

Pacino - for so many movies. I know many might not dig on Scarface too much, but from what I hear it was the first of it's kind. There were many ganster movies up until that point, but none like Scarface.

The content in Scarface paved the way for movies like "Goodfellas" - Best. Movie. Ever.

I couldn't tell you much about the film "Shocker", except that it had the dude from the X-Flies in it, and that it was funny to me - seen it a long time ago.

There is a movie that comes on TV, it has Joaquin Phoenix and Vince Vaughn - it was filmed about 10 years ago, I think. A low budget movie...

Posted by: RedDMV | February 13, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

There is a movie that comes on TV, it has Joaquin Phoenix and Vince Vaughn - it was filmed about 10 years ago, I think. A low budget movie...

Clay pigeons?

Posted by: will_ga | February 13, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

did Flounder just say NICOLAS CAGE is a good actor!?!

My god!

Dude is awful!

and Will Smith is the man, HATERS

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 13, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Gosh... I didn't know Will Smith was that bad... dude can't get ranked higher than Carrey?

I shudder to think what are some thoughts on D. Washington?

And who is Bobby D?

Cool Hand Luke is really good "No one can eat 50 eggs", I remember seeing that and The Great Gatsby for the first time in high school... we were on the whole roaring '20s thing...

Jay Gatsby = Legend, Icon, and Hero

Beware of those green eyes - loved breaking that movie down.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 13, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

will, thats the one. Clay Pigeons.

I like low budget movies; most are very funny - even when they don't try to be funny. I also like to laugh at the terrible acting in those movies, but with that one it had an interesting plot, funny scenes, and two good actors.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 13, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Robert Deniro...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 13, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Red: Bobby D= robert diNiro

Posted by: chrislarry | February 13, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Oh another geat actor, Jim Stewart

Posted by: alex35332 | February 13, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

In the movie "Leaving Las Vegas", Cage goes to Las vegas to drink himself to death. I assume the movie takes place over several days or maybe weeks.

If the character Cage acts as really wants to kill himself with alcohol, he could've done that in one night.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 13, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Nicolas Cage: pre-oscar brilliant, post oscar garbage

Should be Nicolas Cage - quirky roles = brilliant, action roles = beyond horrible

Posted by: skinswest | February 13, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I dont See Depp listed yet either. He is probably one of the rare actors who does his best work in both makeup heavy and just himself roles. You can watch him in Fear and Loathing, Edward Sizerhands and Pirates and its like 3 different people.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 13, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Hate Joaquin Phoenix...?

Watch 'Gladiator' and ask yourself if you've ever hated a guy as much as you hate the character he plays.

It's Russell Crowe's hang-dog gladiator character that's over inflated.

There's an interesting film Phoenix has with Nicole Kidman where he plays a kid who kills her husband just so she can be free of him that's also good.

And 'Walk the Line' beats 'Ray' as the best film about a guy anyone can easily imitate at a party.

And Bogart beats Newman time after time.

Paul Newman just doesn't have the films Bogart has. Paul Newman is one of the best people and businessmen to ever live, though.

But in fact, H Bogart so cool his name is slang for smokers who complain about people who 'bogart' the doobie.

But I digress....at least if I can remember what I was talking about from bogarting this blog.

Besides, it's Valentine's Day tomorrow.

Ain't y'all got crap to go buy for your scrippa pretty chicks?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 13, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Ninth gate and sweeny todd were also good with Depp I thought. He has a great range.

Posted by: will_ga | February 13, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure I'm not the first one to say this, but WHO CARES? The Deadskins won't do anything next year no matter what moves they make. They have to get rid of Vinny and hire a true GM who knows what he's doing. Until then folks, no championships until then. Don't worry, I'm a Skins fan too and have been suffering with everyone else along the way.

Posted by: jwash4472 | February 13, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

shouts to bean and Cl.

yeah, DeNiro is a great actor, no doubt.

favorite roles: Sam Rothstein, Jimmy Conway, Max Cady, and Jake LaMotta.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 13, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Sahara's another great Bogart film. It was just on last weekend.

Posted by: skinswest | February 13, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Depp has NO range. He's a pirate. He has scissors for hands. Shiver me timbers, he's a pirate again! Total lightweight who always needs a costume to hide behind.

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 13, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Depp is my favorite all-time


Fear and Loathing is my all-time favorite movie.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 13, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Greatest Actor of all-time


Adam Archuletta= in his role as a Safety for the Washington Redskins

Posted by: GreatOne1 | February 13, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

"Depp has NO range. He's a pirate. He has scissors for hands. Shiver me timbers, he's a pirate again! Total lightweight who always needs a costume to hide behind.

Posted by: SMACK1"


so you've seen Pirates of the Caribbean and Edward Scissorhands. Two good movies.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 13, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

please you would be hard pressed to find an actor who works harder than Depp to get into his roles. When he was to do Fear and Loathing he lived with Hunter S. Thompson for weeks to figure out how to portray him and if you don't know Hunter S. Thompson then you don't know what that entails. But let me just say, Rabbit hunting with a .45 revolver w/laser site was involved.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 13, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Depp has NO range.

Oh please, If he had no range could he play Moe? I think not. He will be the quintessential stooge. He'll get an Oscar for sure in 2011!

Posted by: will_ga | February 13, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

al, must not have been much left of those rabbits....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 13, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the Skins have picked up some real competition for Cartwright this year.

DE Carter was much better in 2007, with 10.5 sacks. I think the reason for his statistical decline was mainly due to injuries to supporting players. DTs Griffin and Golston were injured for most of the year and failed to collapse the pocket. DEs Phillips and Taylor were out or injured most of the year. Plus the Skins lacked LB zone blitzing speed with injures to Washington, Fletcher, and McIntosh + the backup LBs were ineffective (with the exception of Blades who is a solid backup MLB).

WR Randle El would be far more effective as a #3 slot receiver. He can run reverses and make gadget plays. He should no longer be the primary punt returner as he rarely runs straight ahead after catching a punt; which negates the blocking schemes. Down field blocking was also a problem for ARE. [The Skins need Kelly, Thomas, and Davis to step up this year -- hopefully one of them can earn the #2 possession receiver role.]

Posted by: siris | February 13, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Don't know if its been brought up yet, but we just claimed running back Aldridge of waivers from the Broncos.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 13, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

we should trade Portis, Cooley, and Samuels for Lebron James

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 13, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Greatest Actor of all-time

Adam Archuletta= in his role as a Safety for the Washington Redskins

Posted by: GreatOne1

He didn't look anything like a safety. Now, if you're talking about the most overpaid actor ... I'm on board

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 13, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Greg,
The video did not show the rabbits at the end of the hunt, I think it was the documentary Breakfast with Hunter.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 13, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

siris, I watched Carter a good bit. He was always being handled one on one. Carter plays hard, and made some plays just because he keeps at it. But every time I just watched Andre, I kept thinking the guy blocking him looked like a HOF player.

Not sure what to say. Carter reminds me of a great player who had surgery, worked really hard on rehab, but just didn't make it all the way back.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 13, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

al thats a whole lot of handgun, and not a lot of target......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 13, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Flounder21: I meant threw instead of through my bad.

Posted by: dargregmag | February 13, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

z, agreed. ac has ONE, and only ONE move. There is no counter move, there is no spin, no swim, no rip, no fake outside go inside, no fake inside go outside, there is just run, right into the chest of the tackle opposite of him.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 13, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Not To Distant Future Headline:
Jason Taylor signs deal with Patriots

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 13, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

More distant than the not to distant future:

Jason Taylor records 13 and 1/2 sacks to end his career.

Posted by: Devo2 | February 13, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

"Depp has NO range. He's a pirate. He has scissors for hands. Shiver me timbers, he's a pirate again! Total lightweight who always needs a costume to hide behind.

Posted by: SMACK1"

so you've seen Pirates of the Caribbean and Edward Scissorhands. Two good movies.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 13, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Wait, those were two different movies?

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 13, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

(not in any order)
steve mcqueen(sp)
jack
sean penn
tom hanks
clint E (feels like loved every movie he ever made except for bridges and pink)
rainman and pre rainman dustin hoffman

no women? i can't believe i haven't listed any women...huh! nope can't think of any...

Posted by: dealer1 | February 13, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

lol@smack...

you didn't like him on 21 JS?

Posted by: dealer1 | February 13, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Would like to see an experiment. Use Andre Carter as the nickel back.

Always wanted to see what would happen if the 'free safety' was 6'4", 260 and had some speed. Lots of alligator arms, lots of guys deciding not to go over the middle. QBs wouldn't throw those 'jump ball' passes either

Closest thing to that size and speed was ST21.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 13, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Whats up I'm back, I left out Eastwood that was a bone head mistake he is in two of my favorite movies.

The Outlaw Josey Whales

The Good the Bad and the Ugly

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Much as I'd love to keep contributing fodder for Denby's "Snark II" sequel, like the rest of your betters I need to move on to more important things.

Posted by: TheCork | February 13, 2009 1:54 PM |
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I guess you do. You need to get all the cumrags out from under your roomate's bed for starers, and then brush up on your "I wannabe H.L. Mencken" fantasies. You're headed for another fun-filled Friday night.

You have been used and abused on here, chief.

And the kicker is: you're the only one who doesn't know it.

Selah

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 13, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

How about an experiment where you use Carter or Taylor as a SLB?

Posted by: siris | February 13, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

If you don't think Depp has range, then you've never seen "Blow," "Fear & Loathing In Las Vegas" or "From Hell."

Also, I'm surprised no one has mentioned Willem Dafoe yet. A poor-man's Walken perhaps, but an interesting actor nonetheless.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 13, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Dam left out Jack N. this is to hard there are to many good actors.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

All these posts and people have missed several crucial points:
1) The Skins have to re-do all of these deals just to have space to do a few modest deals. They might sign D. Hall but they aren't going to get Jordan Gross or Haynesworth or Dansby. There is way more money in the NFL these days chasing fewer good players. Teams resign their own more often and teams with more space can better afford to overpay.
2) This way of doing business has the risk of causing Jon Jansen situations - His useful career turned out way shorter than the team guessed and they have had to keep him at least 2 years longer than he could productively start because cutting him would be too expensive. There are other players like Portis and Samuels who are increasingly injured and beaten down, who if they had to retire would pure and simple CRUSH the team with dead cap space. No matter what happens on the field, Portis and Samuels HAVE to stay on the team for at least two more years. It's just not a smart way to manage the team.
3) This way of doing things has cost us players that we needed to keep but simply could not afford - like Antonio Pierce and Dockery. True they were expensive - but that what players cost now. Look two years later at the cost of the Dockery departure - giving up 2 picks for Kendall and he's pretty much done, using a 3rd rounder to pick Rheinhart, and we're still looking for a starting guard after two years of play from Kendall that was much less than we could have gotten from Dockery.

Posted by: thinker11 | February 13, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

From Hell, Sleepy Hollow, Secret Window...period pieces with costumes.

Fear & Loathing, Depp as Groucho Marx on acid, only interesting if you were as whacked as Depp was pretending to be. One of the most pointless and annoying movies of all time.

Yeah, I don't care much for the guy, but that doesn't change the fact that he stinks.

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 13, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

smack, dude! he doesn't "stink". he's not great but he's never stunk it up.

Posted by: dealer1 | February 13, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Secret Window was a period piece?

I'm sure that comes as news to most people, including the author, Stephen King.

If you're not careful, you're going to end up as marginalized as old Corksucker.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 13, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Depp was on his period during filming.

Is that really your best response?

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 13, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Sirius Could File Bankruptcy as Early as Tuesday.

That's just sad. Oh well, as long as Direct tv stays in good shape I'm happy. I couldn't imagine life without Sunday Ticket!!

Posted by: will_ga | February 13, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Cork,

not only could JLC not find unobjectivity (sic) with the Hubble Telescope, he also couldn't find your dinky little d**ck.

Posted by: drewkinnear | February 13, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Depp was on his period during filming.

Is that really your best response?

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 13, 2009 4:37 PM |
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Are you asking me that question, or are you directing it at yourself?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 13, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Gotta say I like the claiming of a 4.3 scatback, don't need to waste a pick on a speed guy now. This guys could be a replacement for Rock and ARE in the return games and be the guy that is that 3rd down threat that Betts isn't really and that we haven't had. Then also maybe now we can truly reduce CP's carries with Betts legitimately cause now there may be a legit 3rd down back on the roster. I hope he pans out, I'd still try and find one more to come to camp just in case.....it's a dimension we need badly IMHO.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 13, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

RI is becoming an un-funny version of Ground Hog Day....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 13, 2009 2:14 PM

CL--What a great insight. Just lose the word "becoming." Probably stays like this until free agency. BTW, do you think we should trade down in the first round?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 13, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Giants franchised Jacobs today too which all but ensures Ward hits the FA market, would love to see us dump Betts and sign Ward.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 13, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

midget players only provide half the benefit of taller ones.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 13, 2009 12:10 PM

And midget owners?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 13, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Willy Wonka, Sweeney Todd, The Mad Hatter, Gilbert Grape.

Anyone see a pattern? Other than MrRedskin21 and of course, Devin Thomas.

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 13, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Did the tubby bag of pus even report on the Redskins claiming Aldridge and resigning Ethan Albright?

I guess he was out drinking his lunch again.

It's funny how ESPN, PFT and PFW have breaking Redskins news, but a blog titled "Redskins Insider" never does.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 13, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

thinker11, finally someone gets the cap issue.

Its not simply about who you sign and what you're stuck with, its about all the moves that turn straightfoward decisions into complicate decisions.

Dockery is a perfect case. He was likely to get a $3-4million a year, 4 year contract. But the Skins had no cap room, so they let the situation play out. Dockery gets $45million (or something like that) to go to Buffalo.

Why didn't the Skins sign Dockery? Because they had cap issues.

That situation would have been far worse if not for Kendall filling in well at a modest price. Skins were very lucky on that.

Still, there was a chance for the Skins to solve the LG position for many years ... it was mismanagement caused by being so close to the cap that was the source of our current problem.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 13, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Much as I'd love to keep contributing fodder for Denby's "Snark II" sequel, like the rest of your betters I need to move on to more important things.

Posted by: TheCork | February 13, 2009 1:54 PM |
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I guess you do. You need to get all the cumrags out from under your roomate's bed for starers, and then brush up on your "I wannabe H.L. Mencken" fantasies. You're headed for another fun-filled Friday night.

You have been used and abused on here, chief.

And the kicker is: you're the only one who doesn't know it.

Selah

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 13, 2009 4:17 PM |

Could not be more true. You could try, but you would not be successful. Well put, Mr. Skin.

Posted by: CPortisRun | February 13, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I'd still try and find one more to come to camp just in case.....it's a dimension we need badly IMHO.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 13, 2009 4:42 PM

Come on, Angry Old Man Jack, when have you ever had an O that was H? But, yeah, let's hope he can do for the Redskins what he didn't do for Denver. After having spent his rookie season on IR, he sounds like the new version of "a real Redskin."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 13, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

If you needed any further evidence of how far this paper has fallen since its heyday of reporting on Watergate and Iran-Contra, look no further than President Obama's news conference earlier this week.

Focusing mainly on the economic stimulus bill, middle class tax cuts, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, when Obama finally called on a Washington Post reporter, the guy asked him about... Alex Rodriguez using steroids.

Philip and Katherine Graham must be spinning in their graves.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 13, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Mista ... Bogart never had the range of Newman. Newman boxed, hustled pool (twice, 50 years apart), rode horses and even skated (best sports flick ever), just to name a few.

Can't argue the point about Bogarting, however. Especially as a Little Feat fan ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 13, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Don't bogart that joint my friend
Pass it over to me
Don't bogart that joint my friend
Pass it over to me

Roll another one
Just like the other one
You've been holding on to it
And I sure will like a hit

[chorus]

Roll another one
Just like the other one
That one's burned to the end
Come on and be a real friend

..........

Not that I know what any of this means

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 13, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Actually a Fraternity of Man original, but since Richie was their drummer too, I guess Feat counts.

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 13, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Denver also released Cliff Russell. Now there's a name out of the past and a reminder of failed WR picks: He was drafted by the Washington Redskins in the third round of the 2002 NFL Draft. Russell has also been a member of the Cincinnati Bengals, Miami Dolphins, and Detroit Lions. At least he got seven years in the league, playing for five teams. And he's played in a total of 23 games, making exactly five catches for 45 yards. Not exactly Mr. Indispensible.

If I'm reading this right, the 'Skins traded Baltimore their second rounder for Baltimore's second and third round picks. The Skins used the second round pick to take Betts and the third to take Cliff Russell.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 13, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

when Obama finally called on a Washington Post reporter, the guy asked him about... Alex Rodriguez using steroids.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 13, 2009 4:52 PM

Who was the reporter? Jasno? Boswell?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 13, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

cliff russell was drafted before brian westbrook, look it up. nuts

Posted by: drewkinnear | February 13, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Bengals claimed Plackemeier off waivers.

Posted by: will_ga | February 13, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

cliff russell was drafted before brian westbrook, look it up. nuts

Posted by: drewkinnear | February 13, 2009 5:06 PM

If russell was off the board, the 'Skins' plan was to draft westbrook.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 13, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Who was the reporter? Jasno? Boswell?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 13, 2009 5:05 PM |
-----------------------------

Michael Fletcher

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 13, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Hogwash, balderdash, poppycock, claptrap, hoohah. Tipsy.

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | February 13, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Michael Fletcher

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 13, 2009 5:13 PM

Okay, here's my guess. No one told Fletcher that Bush is gone and Obama's president. This would have been a good question for Bush, especially with the Texas Rangers connection. Obama? Not so much. He's more interested in an NCAA football playoff -- and I hope he's successful.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 13, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Wow, the Bengals claimed Plackemeier of waivers, I did think he did alright, he didn't have the big leg but he was decent at the directional kicking, heck he got punter of the week after that eagles game.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 13, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

BUT IF THEY DO AGREE ON A NEW CBA IN 2010, THEN THERE IS A POSSIBLILTY OF 9.5 MILLION IN DEAD CAP SPACE.

Posted by: SKIN4LIFE05 | February 13, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Dude, hit caps lock. That's just rude.

Posted by: will_ga | February 13, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

You know a team has a bad kicking game when they think Placemeier might be an upgrade at punter. Here's what Pro Football Weekly wrote about it:

Plackemeier, 25, punted for the Redskins and Seahawks last season. After being released by Seattle after struggling in the season-opener at Buffalo, Plackemeier signed with Washington in October. Plackemeier averaged 41.7 gross yards, but only a net of 33.9 yards, on 55 punts with Washington.

Plackemeier will compete with Kyle Larson, who punted an NFL-high 100 times last season and averaged a league-low 39.5 yards per punt (34.2 yards net).

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 13, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

'...Ward hits the FA market, would love to see us dump Betts and sign Ward...'

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 13, 2009 4:43 PM |


Moe has been bogarting the idea of taking the necessary sal cap hit and letting Betts out of a preference for Derrick Ward.

Yes: Ward played behind a better o-line and it does account for much of his success.

But he'd be a better change-o'-pace for Portis who, no matter what he thinks, doesn't have the break away burst he seems to have behind in Bronco land.

Betts needs mutliple carries to get going. Ward came into Jints' games just as Jacobs was getting warm, and lit up multiple good defenses both as a pass catcher and runner.

The trouble with all of this is the FO might decide to sit on its money and not take a threat away from a division rival.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 13, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Gotta go spend time being a husband....

That means its Valentine's Day tomorrow...

That means Moe has to go work on his moe-joe fo' Mrs. Moe....

Peace...the Force is strong in this BLOG today......

BTW: While JLC was on vaction, Flounder didn't blog muc.

JLC comes back, Flounder has a lot to say.

You don't think JLC and Flounder are the same guy do you...?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 13, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Shane Lechler - soon to be the skins 2009 punter - just a hunch

Posted by: skinswest | February 13, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Ward is irrelevant to the 'Skins after today. We picked up that game-changing scat back that Denver cut, Anthony Aldridge, the undrafted free agent who spent his rookie season on Denver's IR.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 13, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Here's what I don't understand...

If the Skins don't try to get under the cap, they get criticized...

If the Skins had a team full of young talent, they'd say we need veterans....

If we have too many veterans, they's say we need to get younger...

If we stuck with the draft, they'd say we need to sign a big time free agent...

Everybody and their momma criticizes Carlos Rogers, but cry for him when we think of trading him for values picks...

Leigh Torrence gives up a jump-ball 3rd and 18 and when we cut him, he gets 5 blogs making him Lester Hayes.

Damn if we do...Damn if we don't

Posted by: rickyroge | February 13, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator

Point taken about Ward. I don't know anything about Alridge, so I can't comment yet.

I do intend to spend some time reading up on AFC West teams this weekend.

Think of some of the people we'll next fall: Merriman, Sproles, Tomlinson, Cutler, Gates, Marshall, Vincent Jackson, Q. Jammer, Champ (at home? 1st time back), Rivers, McFadden, J Russell, Todd Haley and the newbie Chiefs...

I do and will applaud the FO for adding the two midget speedsters, though.

And the re-working of the Carter and Randle El contracts is another great thing.

Now if we can just avoid FA and add four young lineman, I'll shut up and complain about something else....

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 13, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Translation: They're both gone after 2010, unless that season is in fact un-capped, in which case maybe one or both is gone after this season.

Yawn. We're 8-8 either with or without them. This team has all its money in long-term contracts with mediocrity.

Posted by: drischord | February 13, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

All I want is a new offensive philosophy...we can't continue to smash Portis between the tackles for 30 carries. If we had a Sproles type...used properly, we have something to build on.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 13, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

BUT IF THEY DO AGREE ON A NEW CBA IN 2010, THEN THERE IS A POSSIBLILTY OF 9.5 MILLION IN DEAD CAP SPACE.

Posted by: SKIN4LIFE05 | February 13, 2009 5:36 PM |

No there isn't the article says in 2010 both would become FA's no cap hit.

The cap hit would come if they cut both after this season, and the cap hit is now far less then it would have been.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 13, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Ok this "Insider" is a joke....I get news on espn faster than on this dumb blog....SPEND MORE TIME REPORTING ON THE TEAM INSTEAD OF BASHING!!!

Here is some NEW news on the Skins....

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3905884

Posted by: leevi98 | February 13, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Damn if we do...Damn if we don't

Posted by: rickyroge

Most seasons, we don't.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 13, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Funny thing is Espn reported that news at % pm and 2 hours later still nothing on the blg......Spend more time actually doing your job and reporting on team news instead of thinking of ways to prove your always right and how bad the team runs things JLC!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 13, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse


SICWIDIT'S POP CULTURE BREAK FROM NEWS ABOUT A 3rd RECEIVER and PUNTER...

Fill in the blanks....

"If you ain't got the clientele, say hell no, cause______________

"Welcome to the jungle we got fun and games____________"

"Honey check it out, you got me mesmerized____________"

"I've seen fire and ______________"

"Two years ago, a friend of mine_______________"

"And after all that's been said and done____________"

"I got a letter from the government, the other day___________________"

__________________________________________

"We talkin' bout______________, not a game". How I'ma make my_________________betta by practicing"

"Break was over 15 minutes ago________________"

Posted by: rickyroge | February 13, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Marty Booker let go by da Bears. Not a big fan of his, but given our WRs, we could probably use a vet more productive than Thrash. Plus, Booker's been in Chicago and Miami -- never had much in the way of a QB. And I'm thinking he's cheap

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 13, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S POP CULTURE BREAK FROM NEWS ABOUT A 3rd RECEIVER and PUNTER...

Fill in the blanks....

"If you ain't got the clientele, say hell no, cause_its just better that way

"Welcome to the jungle we got fun and games_and Jeff Probst cooking on a spit"

"Honey check it out, you got me mesmerized_with this old porn video of your sister's"

"I've seen fire and _it looked a lot like Richard Pryor"

"Two years ago, a friend of mine_borrowed my wrench. Now he's dead and I got my wrench back."

"And after all that's been said and done_its still remarkable that Cerrato has a job"

"I got a letter from the government, the other day_and I'm rich, at least in Nigeria"

__________________________________________

"We talkin' bout_athlete's foot, not a game". How I'ma make my_athlete's foot betta by practicing"

"Break was over 15 minutes ago_and I'm still filling out ricky's pop culture thing. Why? I don't know"

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 13, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Ok this "Insider" is a joke....I get news on espn faster than on this dumb blog....SPEND MORE TIME REPORTING ON THE TEAM INSTEAD OF BASHING!!!

Here is some NEW news on the Skins....

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3905884


Posted by: leevi98 | February 13, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Full Metal Beepage.

And such as.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 13, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

'...All I want is a new offensive philosophy...'

Posted by: rickyroge | February 13, 2009 6:59 PM


Hey, Slick Rick....

We got a new offensive philosophy.....

You see, other teams score points....

Our new philosophy is called punting....

'Cause after we score 10 points, punting is all we're able to do....

And with the two new midget special teamers, we can punt about as half as much as we used to....

(INSERT rimshot audio intermixed with groans.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 13, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Carter, El. Archuleta, Lloyd. Millions and draft picks for nothing. Evidence that Gibbs was way over the hill and that his henchman Williams was soon to join him in oblivion. And Vinny and Danny, clueless schlubs both, watching from the sidelines, impressed with this moronity.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | February 13, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

The problem is, once they're eligible for free agency, and they don't like the deal, then they'd stay here for more money instead of accepting a lower deal elsewhere....

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | February 13, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

so salaries are all relative, what really matters is how these guys stack up against their peers.

Carter is getting paid about top-middle of the DE in NFL. He is a decent player, hardly think the pass rush issues are his fault. When he was turned loose last year, he had pretty good sack numbers. His is not the best pay-to-play ratio in nfl, but far from the worst.


ARE- wr pay is all over the board. It seems as if teams pay more out of desperation than anything else, at this position. You have real bargains like Boldin(2.5 mill), Greg Jennings (692K), and several others. But you also have Stallworth (5.2), Hester (5.4), and Ernest Wilford (7 mill) getting way too much, and who it can be argued are no better than ARE. Although we all feel ARE is getting too much, it is not nearly the worst deal in the league.

So to view these deals from a league perspective, they are really not here nor there. Not so much about being overpaid as much as being over analyzed due to lack of success at the position and as a whole.

Posted by: brownvb | February 14, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Give me a break. Jump on Confora all you want...but any one with half a brain knows ceratto is the biggest joke in the NFL.

Posted by: zap123 | February 14, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

So let me get this straight. The Redskins are paying millions of dollars in guaranteed money to sub-par players. No wonder we can't compete with the Pittsburgh Steelers or NY Giants of the world.

Posted by: tmorris55 | February 15, 2009 3:13 AM | Report abuse

I continue to believe that the Redskins have the absolute dumbest fans in the world. How can anyone think that this is a good move? Two more virtual scrubs getting millions to under perform. I can't wait to get another year of 5.5 sacks from Carter and 2TDs and 40 catches from Randle El. Why not just cut these losers? Are they going to get you to the playoffs? Please.....

Posted by: edsmit1 | February 15, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Let's give the skins a chance.
The past is the past.
Let's talk about now only

As of right now. The skins are doing ok. They just clear some space for this year!!!
Thats always good.

Whats next????

Posted by: 1skinfan | February 17, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Now please understand. The skins did not say they like these players.

Look at the facts. They just cleared some money up for this year.

Does that mean they like these players?

Does that mean they will start this year

Does that mean maybe they are clearing up space to replace these two players?

Think about the big picture.

Wow the skins just saved 4.4 millions....let me say that again. millions.
To possibly replace them....

Posted by: 1skinfan | February 17, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

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