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The HC Horserace

I'm calling this a four-man race at this point. Steve Mariucci is in. Made too much sense all along. I believe he was the covert candidate dating back to the weekend and it seems this thing has picked up considerable steam since we blogged about it Sunday night.

I am hearing from multiple sources that the Redskins will cross paths with Mariucci in Arizona during the Super Bowl. Owner Daniel Snyder and executive vice-president-football operations Vinny Cerrato were set to fly to Arizona today after completing their second interview with Ron Meeks - this time in Indianapolis - and they are expected to formally interview Mariucci this week.

So we've got Jim Fassel, Mariucci, Ron Meeks and, still to be interviewed, Giants DC Steve Spagnuolo (New England assistant Josh McDaniels could be interviewed as well, but I don't see him making this move and I don't see Snyder hiring a 31-year-old coach, either.)

Fassel - Still the leader as we come down the stretch. Despite the public reaction he has impressed Snyder and the Skins came ever-so-close to hiring him last Wednesday. Could not put together his dream staff, but Snyder and Cerrato have certainly followed many of his recommendations. He wants the job, no doubt about that, and has handled being put on hold for 10-12 days like a pro. There would be major questions with his hiring by the fans - judging by the initial flare up - but Snyder never pretended to be a man of the people.

Mariucci - Snyder may not be a PR maven, but he's anything but stupid. Just as the storm Wednesday gave him pause, so, too, I am sure his people have monitored blogs, message boards and talk radio to gauge support for Mariucci since the "Something TO Chew On" post went up. May be an easier sell, though Mariucci brings baggage as well, having been fired from his last job in mid-contract. There is a lot to sort out - issues about personnel, how he would interact with Cerrato, if his wife wants to leave the West Coast, and, as always, money. But no doubt all of this will be explored in depth, and I believe he's making a strong push down the stretch.

Meeks - I see this being more for down the line. He has solely a defensive backround and several NFL execs believe Meeks may not be ready to make the jump. His agent, Gary Wichard, is very tight with Cerrato, which never hurts, and no doubt many would herald the Redskins for hiring a minority as head coach, rightfully so in the nation's capital and a city as diverse as Washington.

Spagnuolo - If the Giants win the Super Bowl, and especially if they shut down the Pats, then he would leap past some other guys in a flash. Strange as that is - basing too much on one game - several sources who have talked to Snyder during this process believe that is very much the case. And, hey, nothing's been normal anyway, so why not? Only been a coordinator for one year, but interviewing him is a no-brainer, as one GM pointed out to me, given his extensive knowledge of NFC East foes Philly and New York. You can gain a lot of info in that regard and it's a smart business/football move. While this thing has had plenty of bizarre moments, Snyder's thirst for knowledge should be heralded if nothing else and this guy could be most beneficial of all in that regard.

Meanwhile, here's a news update:
The St. Louis Rams have hired Al Saunders as offensive coordinator, according to an Associated Press report out of St. Louis. LaCanfora says that it's virutually certain that Saunders' son Bob, a Redskins assistant, will join his father there. QBs coach Bill Lazor, whose responsibilities will be taken over by Zorn, could end up in St. Louis as well. ... League sources say RBs coach Earnest Byner had a strong interview Tuesday in Tampa Bay, but the Buccaneers intend to interview one more candidate before making a decision. Byner's contract with the Redskins expires Thursday (Jan. 31) and he is the only coach not under contract for 2008. He is mulling a one-year offer from the Redskins.

By Jason La Canfora  |  January 30, 2008; 6:02 PM ET
 
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Comments

First......Drink!!

Posted by: kost52 | January 30, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Spags to Win, Mooch to Place & Facile to Show

Posted by: bobeaston | January 30, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

SNYDER HAS NEVER BEEN A D-HC GUY, I don't see it happening.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 30, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

i think that Steve Mariucci will do a good job here but i think they needed to hire gw for a year if it didnt work out for him then dan would have cowher next year bad move dan

Posted by: jharris257 | January 30, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

I'd be reluctant to base any opinion on the outcome of one game. It's not like Redskins will have to play the Patriots twice a year. It was the only game where we were blown out. So just because the Giants win the SB is not enough for me to elevant the Spaniel past all the other candidates. There have to be other reasons.

I think Snyder first needs to make a decision: does he go with a Defensive-Minded (Meeks/Spaniel) or Offensive-Minded (Fassel/Mooch). once he's done that, then he needs to decide. Trying to sort through all 4 would be a bit much.

I agree with alex35332: Snyder is more likely to go with an offensive guy. probably because a) he wants the focus to be the improvement of #17, b) the defense has been stout for 3 of the past 4 years, and c) he knows and trusts Greg Blatche. He's taking a chance on Jim Zorn and might want a proven offensive coach above him.

If it's between Fassel and Mooch, i hope he goes with Mooch.

Posted by: DreamOutLoud | January 30, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Mooch or the New England Kid.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 30, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

To the jockey who is riding Mooch -


GET THE WHIP OUT!!!!

Posted by: kost52 | January 30, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

My prediction:

Win: Fassel
Place: Mariucci
Show: Meeks

My hope:

Win: McDaniels
Place: Mariucci
Show: Meeks
Nowhere near a professional football team again: Fassel or anyone who has ever coached with the Dallas Cowboys

Posted by: PDiddy | January 30, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Hire Mariucci.

Please Dan -- NO FOSSIL!!!

Posted by: SonnyFan | January 30, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Anyone making any good ("foolish") props bets at the Super Bowl?

Posted by: PDiddy | January 30, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

....and it's Mooch and Fassel in front coming into the home straight, and.....oops there goes Fassel!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spjmcJ-Z7Aw&feature=related

Posted by: kost52 | January 30, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Geeze! It's great to compare the merits of these coaches, but lets look at what they see as they interview.

Danny-Boy has already hired a new staff of offensive and defensive coordinators, etc. So the new guy doesn't even get to pick his own coaching team?

It mystifies me as to why any coach worth more than a sack of dirt would be willing to buy into a situation like that.

The mess continues. It just seems like we are being set up for more years when it is really hard to be a Skins fan.

Posted by: paulimse | January 30, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Which outcome would satisfy everyone? Mariucci...

Which outcome would piss everyone off?
Fassel...


Fassel it is!

Posted by: byram | January 30, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Mariucci is the only one of the four that doesn't turn my stomach. Meeks and Spagnuolo don't have the experience yet and Fassel just doesn't fit. The fact that he has tried and failed to get the HC job at a lot of other spots and failed plus the whole Ravens deal (although he may have been a Billick scapegoat) just doesn't sit well.

Maybe I like Mooch because I am one of the lucky ones with NFL Network and have had a chance to get to "know" him. He does bring a level of credibility (if we ignore the stint with the Lions) and would be a good thing for JC.

Then again, this is Snyder...so who knows?!!

Posted by: roger_c_hughes | January 30, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

for what its worth...which is obviously as much as we pay to post on the blog:

My personal HC rankings:

1. Meeks
2. Mooch
3. Spags
4. Craig T Nelson's character from the sitcom Coach.
5. Movie Coach on Friday Night Lights
6. TV Coach from Friday Night Lights
7. Bubba Tyler
8. New Coach of the Caps
9. Doug Jarvis
10. Coach Carter
11. Fassel

Posted by: chrislarry | January 30, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Oh I would also say that we should look to go for Mooch and a ton of grooming candidates young prospect coach types

Posted by: alex35332 | January 30, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

pdiddy:

my fave bet is an over/under on how may times that tool box joe buck will mention "Peyton Manning". Can be either in mistake or gratuitous mentions of peyton and the family/bro thing.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 30, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

CL - You forgot the Rock from Gridiron Gang, that guys made heroes out of those kids, imagine what he could do for someone like Receiver, The!

Posted by: kost52 | January 30, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I like the TV Coach from FNL better than the movie coach and Craig T. Nelson. I think he might actually beat out Meeks and Mooch for me. Spags sounds like he's a fancy pasta I've never heard of. I'm on a low carb/high booze diet, so I'll pass on him.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 30, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

What's the biggest victory in Superbowl history? I wonder what odds I could get on that record being broken.

Posted by: kost52 | January 30, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

GRIMM GRIMM GRIMM - let's not forget that he hangs out in AZ these days, right?

Posted by: theclevz | January 30, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

And let's not forget Al Pacino from Any Given Sunday!

Posted by: kost52 | January 30, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

In recent RI style:

"P diddy what are you an idiot? You must be the boyfriend of the TV FNL coach. butt buddies. You must be a liberal loser pascifist who has never watched a game of football. Its so obvious that the movie version of the coach on FNL is more qualified to run sammy baugh's version of the WCO. If vindan hires the wrong guy I hope you snyder and JC crash in the andes and your forced to live off Snyder's thigh to survive. Your a TV media apologist who should either log off your mom's computer or move to Dubai where they put up with your type of moron"

Posted by: chrislarry | January 30, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

And Gene Hackman (as pseudo Gibbs I) from the replacements.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 30, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

And Greg Kaneer as Vermiel from Invincible

Posted by: alex35332 | January 30, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

CL, that's just way out of line!!! Since when do they put up with that type of moron in Dubai???

Posted by: kost52 | January 30, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

No way that can be the real CL.

Posted by: jm220 | January 30, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

actually, parody aside...i think I agree with diddy......def TV FNL coach over movie....

actually b/c I am a NYC elitist intellectual snob I like the book FNL Coach the best.....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 30, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

it is the real me! Playing a parody character in the "voice" of how some people have been posting lately!

Simply in satire, you know pdiddy is my dawg!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 30, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm getting a migraine by all this head coach carousel. Snyder is interviewing everyone on the face of the earth. Geez! First it was Jim Fossil. Then they brought in Meeks. Now Mariucci? Who is next? John
Madden and Bill Walsh? How about some P.E
teachers @ Marshall High School. Maybe Joe Gibbs can coach 'em up a bit.

Posted by: livebig_22311 | January 30, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

from PFT:

RAMS GET SAUNDERS

The St. Louis Rams have hired Al Saunders to serve as offensive coordinator. Per media reports, he signed a three-year deal.

The move could prompt Rams fans to ponder a possible return of the "Greatest Show on Turf," since Saunders was receivers coach in St. Louis in 1999 and 2000.

He became the Chiefs' offensive coordinator in 2001 when former Rams coach Dick Vermeil emerged from a one-year retirement to take over the job in Kansas City.

After Vermeil retired, Saunders accepted the position of "assistant head coach-offense" with the Redskins. His performance there, however, didn't have the same impact as in Kansas City.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 30, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

The real shame here is that the dynamic duo fell behind on the HC search, then panicked and decided to hire the staff in lieu of the HC.

They felt pressured to do something. In doing that though, they devalued the HC position and painted themselves into a corner with respect to the quality of HC candidate that they will eventually hire.

It's just so transparently naive.

Posted by: gdennie | January 30, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

look at me stealing 4th's thunder!

from PFT:

WILLIAMS INTERVIEWS WITH JAGS

Former Redskins defensive coordinator Gregg Williams became a head coach in Buffalo based on his performance as defensive coordinator of the Tennessee Titans.

Now, Williams could be taking that same position with one of the Titans' biggest rivals.

According to the Florida Times-Union, Williams interviewed with the Jaguars on Tuesday for the position created when defensive coordinator Mike Smith was hired to become the new head coach of the Falcons.

"Gregg was here," Del Rio said. "I will provide more info once the staff is completed."

The Times-Union points out that Jacksonville linebackers coach Mark Duffner could be promoted. If not, Williams could get the job.

Williams recently was fired by the Redskins after multiple interviews for the head-coaching job there resulted in no offer to replace Joe Gibbs.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 30, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

i broke the blog....sorry!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 30, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

The defense is set. Blache is the only link to continuity, and he's going to be a very good DC. Snyder is not hiring a defensive-minded coach. Besides, he's had too many years of sputtering offense.

I think if he was going to hire Fassel, he'd have done it. Same with Williams in the early going.

Now, Mooch's contract with Detroit is only expiring today or tomorrow. That would fully explain why he hasn't been (publicly) interviewed until now, and why his top choice assistants were already scooped up.

It's also entirely possible that Snyder is wisely using the time he has available to talk to a lot of people, gain football knowledge at a minimum, but be sure of his decision as well.

Mooch would be a great fit not only for the field, but also it seems like his personality would mesh well with the front office and Snyder himself. Considering the contract date, it could have been Snyder's pick from day one, and the rest of this process has been thumb twiddling to avoid giving Detroit any due.

And won't you Snyder haters owe an apology if there's actually been a method to all of this madness.

Posted by: jvwright | January 30, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

I have this little desk calender, and there is a little quote on the bottom of each page, usually something clever, something that makes you think. I don't normally pay too much attention to them, I just generally flip them as each day goes by, but today, the quote caught my eye -

"I have opinions of my own - strong opinions - but I don't always agree with them." - George Bush

Posted by: kost52 | January 30, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

We need Grimm!!!!! Dan Snyder is the biggest bag of bull I've ever seen!!!! He has made a mockery of our team. Mooch wouldn't be bad but fassel he's a bum & if they hire him we will lose every game played. I've been a skins fan for 40 years and I just can't believe it our team being throwed around like this we need to stick with what we have and get a couple of players and we are there.

Posted by: bert3 | January 30, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

As was mentioned numerous times, the defense will stay solid I believe with Blache. Mooch/Zorn will solidify the offense in time, so Mooch it is.

Posted by: joeboggs | January 30, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't Mariucci just roll off your tounge? It's like the Presidency. Who do you want to look at, and listen to for the next four years? Mooch! Mooch!

Posted by: coastallp74 | January 30, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

I love the fact that J La mentions how Snyder's minions troll message boards to see fans reactions.

It will probably be Mooch because he seems to be the one that the fans don't complain about as much.

He should have kept Willams and Saunders to see how they would work out and if it didn't work, he could just blow up the team and get cowher next year. But then again Danny needs to tinker.

By the way, get rid of Larry Michael

Posted by: skinsfan1234 | January 30, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

No bout adoubt it. . .GRIMM, GRIMM, GRIMM.

But I digress. Are any of these guys better than Gregg Williams would have been? NO!

RedskinNation, keep the heat on. YOUR OPINIONS MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IF THEY DID NOT, FOSSIL WOULD ALREADY BE THE COACH.

GRIMM, GRIMM. The only way to keep some semblance of peace for Synder is to bring in a TRUE Redskin--an original Hog--arguably (no offense to Stark) THE HEAD HOG. Go RUSS!!!

Posted by: weldonhill | January 30, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Getting rid of Larry Michael is way too sensible for this organization.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 30, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse


Anything more on that cryptic comment about Grimm's supposed "personal" issues being a hindrance for HC consideration?

Probably no chance anyway, as Redskin nostalgia or respect for "true Redskins" never has really true currency in the organization post 1991, only the fans. Remember Skins took a dump on Monk at the end, BMitch got the boot, Frank Herzog is fired, and even unequivocal Redskin players and high producers like Smooty and Pierce were let go for a few bucks (under Joe Gibbs' watch I'd add. I'd love to see the franchise operate like our history, players, style, and unwavering fan base mean something, but since JKC passed, it's not been our mark.

Posted by: chrisjohn91 | January 30, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Mooch would be a great fit not only for the field, but also it seems like his personality would mesh well with the front office and Snyder himself.

>>> So Mooch can stick his head way up dans ....

And won't you Snyder haters owe an apology if there's actually been a method to all of this madness.

>>> It is not so much hate as white hot rage. When we haters cool down it will be contempt. (I don't mean to speak for every one)

>>>> Can you give a 'theory' as to what that method is or is Dan to smart for all of US. Like Rudies rope-a-dope in the primaries.

Posted by: mul | January 30, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

I ws thinking that just maybe...this is all a PR front for the last week and a 1/2...Iof course don't know i'm not there in the office but it seems that the staff that has been hired may have already been picked out by the next HC. Who knows ...the mooch could have handed Dan a list two weeks ago.

Posted by: leevi98 | January 30, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Ooooh! Ooooh! Gene Hackman from "Hoosiers"!

Posted by: piovino1 | January 30, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

The continuity that Dan Snyder talked about was Larry Michael and Vinny Cerato......Larry Michael for Head Coach

Posted by: skinsfan1234 | January 30, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

PR stands for public relations.

Does what happened in the last week seem like an effort to improve public relations.

Can you ever think of a time that the HC was not rolled out for weeks while fans went crazy and the staff was selected? I can't? That makes the Owner look stupid, the players and fans look at the HC like a tool.

If you are correct it is even worse then we thought. Many more decisions are going to be made this year. God help us poor skins fans. Maybe Snyder is like the Gipper. He got a coach then forgot the next day.

Posted by: mul | January 30, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Now if Larry Michael was the head coach then someone who could see it was 3rd and 1 could actually call the game. On the otherhand the redskins would be out of challenges by the end of the first quarter.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 30, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

The most interesting part of this article for me is this quote and it's a real shame that Jason doesn't explain how he is "so sure."

"I am sure his people have monitored blogs, message boards and talk radio to gauge support for Mariucci since the "Something TO Chew On" post went up."

Jason why are you sure?

Posted by: nativedc | January 30, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

piovino, come on now. No way a basketball coach can run the WCO.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 30, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

The most interesting part of this article for me is this quote and it's a real shame that Jason doesn't explain how he is "so sure."

Jason why are you sure?

Posted by: nativedc

Because his F tools have been here all week. All companies look at the PR when things go south. Larry Michael who works for Snyder reads ES. He has a section on the his show when he reads ES. Any other reasons needed.

OMG You can't be real.

Posted by: mul | January 30, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Oh yes ES (that is a fan sight) is on Dans network.

I am going to explode now.

Posted by: mul | January 30, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Just saw "No Country for Old Men".

Now, I am an effete elitist snob with a penchant for great tequila, fine wine, and finer champagne. I like truffle oil, but can tell when there's too much in a dish. I enjoy fast cars designed by Italians with one word names and clothes made by designers whose names sound like an unusual pasta. I like women who know how to hold and sip from a champagne glass and whose bra straps and panty lines never show. I fashion myself a "Goldwater Republican", which is an apologist's way of saying I'm a Democrat. I read. I fly first class and turn my nose down at my fellow passengers at the skinny end of the plane who dare bring their children up front with them.

But I do not understand this movie. I may never understand this movie. Indeed, I may never understand a Cormac McCarthy book in my entire lifetime.

I'm going to need Cliff's Notes for this flick.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 30, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

I like Puppies :)

Posted by: mul | January 30, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

maybe pdiddy can help us here, and I am not defending snyder but rather Janso....but wouldn't be smart of snyder to monitor "new media" fan outlets.....so is that ludricus for Janso to suggest he does???

Posted by: chrislarry | January 30, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

diddy,

dont forget diagraming offensive football plays via DVR on that list...

haven't seen that movie yet, but I did Cormac's The Road (pre Oprah endorsement by the way)did you not like that one?

Posted by: chrislarry | January 30, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Mul -

"So Mooch can stick his head way up dans ...."

So they can get along. Or would you rather a coach who doesn't know how to talk to the owner and the front office in a way that they can actually have a friendly conversation.

"It is not so much hate as white hot rage. When we haters cool down it will be contempt. (I don't mean to speak for every one)"

If you want to hate Snyder, you're gonna. He could bring Gibbs back (oh, wait, he did) and you're still going to hate him. Get over it.

"Can you give a 'theory' as to what that method is or is Dan to smart for all of US. Like Rudies rope-a-dope in the primaries."

The method is that Detroit owns Mooch's contract. If Snyder talks to him before today or tomorrow, he has to go through the Lions and jump through all sorts of hoops. But as of tomorrow, Mooch can talk to whomever he wants and he's free to make deals.

Dude, don't let logic and rational thought get in the way of your hatred.

Posted by: jvwright | January 30, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

I am sure Snyder does. I would go another step and suggest that Snyder has people who make posts for him on this site and extremeskins.

I saw some posts on extremeskins that had to be written by Snyder's wife or best friend.

Posted by: skinsfan1234 | January 30, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

"I then asked Zimmerman about the upcoming Pro Football Hall of Fame selection meeting, which is on the day before the Super Bowl. Zimmerman is one of the selectors, and he recently changed his mind about former Redskins receiver Art Monk, saying that after years of being the most vocal opponent of Monk's enshrinement, he will now vote for Monk. So what changed his mind?

"I figured, just put him the f--- in already," Zimmerman told me. "I'm tired of being the a--hole."
"

Wow....Just Wow....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 30, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Snyder has Larry Michael monitoring this blog right now

Posted by: skinsfan1234 | January 30, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Of course "Mr." Snyder's minions are reading the blog and ES and ESPN and on and on. It's called a "PR Coverage Report" (with or without the associated cover sheet). Any time you make a big decision that involves media coverage, your PR Agency will pull together a coverage report for you. All coverage reports in this day and age include summaries of blog activity, including those blogs run by everyday fans/customers and not simply those written by members of the mainstream media.

My PR Agency used to assign a numeric scale from 1 to 5 for favorability to my message (1 being lowest) as well as a separate numeric scale from 1 to 5 for "pickup" of the message (how well the media outlet/blog carried my message, independent of any editorializing).

It's safe to say that the concept of hiring Jim Fassel probably generated an average score of 1 or 2 for both dimensions.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 30, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

thanks 4th.....

f dr. z

Posted by: chrislarry | January 30, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Posters, lurkers and spies:

This is, of course, out of our hands.

VinnyDAN has appointed himself GM and has decided, either through a master plan or through FUBAR gone mad, to put his team together Bass Ackwards.

Do I think it will work? No - I think if we did get close VinnyDAN would kill it going for the quick fix. But the only thing VinnyDAN have to do to prove us all wrong is WIN.

Win a superbowl with Bass Ackwards bunch, and we all shut up.

At this point, anything less is failure. And the worst kind of failure, the one where everyone says you are doing it the wrong way, you say you know better, and you end up dead wrong.

That is where I think we are going.

Now prove me wrong.

Posted by: RedBee | January 30, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

4th, that is the best news 'Skins fans have heard in WEEKS.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 30, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Anyone but Mooch. He is the West Coast offense version of Norv Turner. Mooch's teams never have any fire or intensity.

Posted by: cabraman | January 30, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

look at me stealing 4th's thunder!

.................

Posted by: chrislarry | January 30, 2008 07:32 PM

Good one. Meeks hijacked the Williams ship I was driving, so any Williams news is completely meaningless to me. Meeks is our Capt'n now.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 30, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if anyone covered it up here, but the Cowboys rehired Dave Campo. I wish I had a witty something or other to say about it, but I'm out of snarky comments today.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 30, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

my monk theory:

harry carson was the guy that caused fights/debates. It was all LT/Parcells/was on bad teams...blah blah...

he finally got in, and monk took over that "guy" who these 46 writers had to argue about and keep their "controversy" relevant.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 30, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

4th, where is that Dr. Z quote from?

Posted by: PDiddy | January 30, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

hahahahaha

re: "look at me stealing 4th's thunder!"

i didnt mean williams i meant the PFT updates!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 30, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

What are the chances of Grimm/Monk/Green making it in this year? If that happened, I would def be in Canton.

BTW, rewind 12 months ago. Remember we were planning our trip to Canton last year? That was a bummer. Let's not jinx it this year again........

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 30, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

CL, "The Road" didn't pass my 50 Page Test (subtract your age from the number 50, that's the minimum number of pages you must read before giving up on a book. It also means that once you turn 50, you're entitled to judge a book by its cover.)

Posted by: PDiddy | January 30, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

nothing snarky??????? c'mon...a nation turns its humor deprived eyes to you!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 30, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

If the HOF inducts Monk and Green (Grimm is doubtful), I'd bet dollars to donuts that one of the teams in the HOF Game is the 'Skins. Then you'd get an opportunity to go to Canton and cheer on your heroes, then go to the game and boo Fassel.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 30, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Dude, don't let logic and rational thought get in the way of your hatred.

Posted by: jvwright

Oh now I understand my bad everyone. The lions would not allow us to talk to Mooch, without going through hoops, even though his does not work for them and is out of his contract next year (Matt Million why do you do this to Danny boy).

I did not know that. It is all very logical.

I am just mad to be mad. Jla why do you make us be mean to Snyder.

Posted by: mul | January 30, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm trying too hard. It's like when you're drunk and trying to pick up a (sober) chick. Maybe I should go and get drunk.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 30, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

really? i dug the road, stayed up all night...but i am a sucks for post apocolypse type stuff....even though i can't spell it...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 30, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Saunders was out of a job for 5 full days! I can't wait for the Rams Redskins game next season. Good for Al! Too bad for the skins and the new Zorn system.

Posted by: lsteudle | January 30, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

I will never forgive JLaC for raping my childhood and making me hate the owner of the 'Skins. He's dead to me.

But not this blog.

I love this blog.

I also love cheese.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 30, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

I thought so Cl. But, that was the reason I didn't post it.

F GW. He's gonna be coaching for someone else. See how short minded us fans are???

Diddy - I got it from JustMe http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/01/30/dr-z-on-art-monk-s-hall-of-fame-chances-just-put-him-the-f

Is anyone else watching the rerun SBs on NFLN? I'm loving it......

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 30, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

"No more drugs ... for THAT man."

Posted by: FlimFlam | January 30, 2008 04:33 PM

Excellent line, excellent film!

Posted by: Redcoat | January 30, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

It was Jla who got Jeff George on the Redskins.

He also manufactured the ice cream story.

Posted by: mul | January 30, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

i will say right now if we get a hall of fame hat trick...i am there...i can say that with full confidence b/c...its not happenin...

and i think grimm should totally get in...but again not holding my breath...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 30, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

My PR Agency used to assign a numeric scale from 1 to 5 for favorability to my message (1 being lowest) as well as a separate numeric scale from 1 to 5 for "pickup" of the message (how well the media outlet/blog carried my message, independent of any editorializing).


Posted by: PDiddy |

You are 'supper smart.' I thought everyone on this blog was a dumb as me and Cl.

Posted by: mul | January 30, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Grimm should get in because someone from The Hogs has to be in the HOF. That's one of the most well-marketed and recognizable groups in the NFL, to say nothing of one of the most dominating at times. I don't think anyone else but Grimm from that group rates high enough to be in Canton, so he should go in to represent them all. I don't think it will be this year, however.

Monk should have been in 2-3 years ago, and if Darrell Green's not a first-ballot Hall of Famer, I don't know who is.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 30, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

if we can bring back people from the dead...my vote is Herb Brooks!!!!

and if not...then Kurt Russel...he played herbie in the movie Miracle...

Posted by: deadskin | January 30, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm actually quite supper smart. For example, right now I'm debating between a steak joint and a Mexican joint. I'm using all of my pre-booze brain cells to do it, and I just blew out the light in my home office doing so.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 30, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Kurt Russell is not dead. He just acts that way.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 30, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

On the comcast show I saw you
And then you slipped away
Playoff dream crushed I called you
And turned to hear you say
If only for today
I'm staying on

You took my Gibbs away
You took my Gibbs away

Watching every motion
In this foolish Saunders game
Haunted by the notion
Our o-line's going down in flames
Punting and returning
To some special teams design
Watching in slow motion
As you turn my way and say

You took my Gibbs away
You took my Gibbs away

Posted by: Redcoat | January 30, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Some people doubt that this is all part of some sort of master plan. Isn't it obvious? The plan is:
Damn, Joe quit. What do we do now Vinny? Well that Fassel guy was pretty nice last time. I guess we gotta interview Greg. A few times. But Jim is our guy. Let's float his name out there. Test the waters. Holy crap! They hate him. Almost as much as us. Let's deny it. We can waste another day of that Meeks guy's life. Then find some new guys. We'll fly around in the jet. See what people are saying. What about Mooch? He was mean to me in San Francisco. Now you can be mean to him. What about that Spaghetti guy on the Giants? Or Belichick's son. He's young, you could boss him. Let's hit Arizona hard. Take in the spectacle. We'll interview anyone who will talk to us. Every name out there. Except Marty. Sure Vinny. Then we'll see what happens. Comb the message boards see who's hot. Then we can make the big announcement after the Super Bowl. The Fassel guy? Of course. F 'em.

Posted by: mack1 | January 30, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Fassel gets hired = I puke. It reeks of Norvell Part Deux. I look at Fassel, I see the Giants. Not good, Danny. Not good.

It's got to be Mooch or McDaniels at this point. Spags isn't going to come here and have Blache and Co. forced upon him. Same goes with Meeks. But McDaniels doesn't have the connections to bring in his own staff, so Zorn and Co. could work.

In the end, I maintain that it's Mooch.

The way Danny has this thing set up - Zorn running the offense, Blache the defense - he clearly is looking for a Head Coach to fill the general oversight role that Gibbs had. Mooch is perfect for that. He's charismatic. He's a "moral leader." He can set the vision and let Zorn and Blache do their thing.

Posted by: CMoney1 | January 30, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

"Retire Snyder's old school regime!

My name is Shan Shariff and I am the Sports Director and host of "New School" airing on Delmarva's ESPN Radio 1240 in Cambridge, MD. On Thursday, January 31st, I am taking my show out to Redskins Park to voice YOUR opinions about the mismanagement and deceitful actions we have seen this offseason. From 1-4pm, you are invited to speak your mind on the air about this absurd debacle. If Thursday is a success, we will continue throughout the entire week so that the voice of Redskin nation can be heard.

These are some of the common thoughts I have read over the past month from Redskin fans who are disgusted with the recent frustrating and heart-breaking decisions of the Dan Snyder regime.

"I've been a fan for 20 years, but today I don't want to be a fan anymore. The only problem is that I don't know how to root for another team."

"The fans deserve better. We spend our hard earned money on merchandise, tickets, and parking all of that goes straight to Mr. Snyder's pocket. We deserve some stability. We shouldn't have to start trembling in fear every offseason because some owner wants to play fantasy football."

"After the most tragic and difficult season in Redskins team history, the ownership of the team consciously decided to smear the defensive coach of the team by spreading lies about him through the media."

"Today is a sad day in Redskins history."

Joe Gibbs worked too hard to build a foundation for the future. If Dan Snyder is intent on destroying that, it will not go unnoticed.

"

http://www.shanshariff.com./

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 30, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if anyone covered it up here, but the Cowboys rehired Dave Campo. I wish I had a witty something or other to say about it, but I'm out of snarky comments today.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 30, 2008 10:39 PM

See, we're not afraid of creating a Super Bowl distraction by announcing a major coaching hire.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 30, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

wait how can a font host a radio show?

Posted by: chrislarry | January 30, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Is that Shan Shariff of Shan Shariff and the Pharaohs?

Posted by: daggar | January 30, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

no, no, cL -- that's Stan serif.

Posted by: daggar | January 30, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Campo has been hired to hold onto the ball of extra skin in the back of Jerrah Jones' head.

Posted by: daggar | January 30, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

wasn't he in laurence of arabia?....oh right that was omar sharif

Posted by: chrislarry | January 30, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

You know, to make him look good at the Super Bowl, where he'll be watching from a box high above the stadium instead of leaning onto the field two steps away from Porky Phillips!

Posted by: daggar | January 30, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if anyone covered it up here, but the Cowboys rehired Dave Campo. I wish I had a witty something or other to say about it, but I'm out of snarky comments today.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 30, 2008 10:39 PM

See, we're not afraid of creating a Super Bowl distraction by announcing a major coaching hire.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 30, 2008 11:16 PM

SMACK (Why put the 1 at the end??) - You guys also hired Dom Capers. Sometimes I think Snyder and Jones are competing against each other too much...

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 30, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

smack, if you were wade phillips wouldnt you find it weird all tour cordinators were picked by garrett...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 30, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

My bad. Capers is talking to the Cowboys. Not yet hired....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 30, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

How come there's no support for Patches O'Houllihan from Dodgeball?

I thought all of you would be 110% behind pushing Receiver, The into 70+ mph beltway traffic after saying "If you can dodge traffic, then you can dodge tacklers"

Adam

Posted by: argh | January 30, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

The way that ownership has reacted to Joe Gibbs retirement in the past three weeks strongly suggests that Joe Gibbs left the Redskins because he realized it was POINTLESS TO CONTINUE. Other than beg him to stick around, Dan and Vinny are not people whose leadership and presence seem to make anybody want to do anything for them.

Has anyone wondered what the past 4 years would have been like with Joe Gibbs as HC and a different owner and no Vinny?

I feel really terrible for the players, but anyone who comes here to coach is doomed to fail as long as Dan Snyder and Vinny are here.

After almost 40 years as a Redskin Fan I will be pulling for Al and Gregg to come back here with their new teams and beat the crap out of the Skins.

I never thought I'd say this, but if Gregg gets hired by the Cowboys I will pull for them to beat the SKINS.

Posted by: chargersix | January 30, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Wayne Fontes had a radio show.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 30, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I'm at a bar. It's a cold, wet, miserable night in Seattle. All the mountain passes are closed so I can't go boarding. No one else is out (where do they all go???) and I'm the only one here. Good thing I brought my laptop. Time to drink.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 30, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

I could recommend a nice Merlot, but I'd have to go downstairs to read what it was.
Besides, it's not Patrón...

Posted by: daggar | January 31, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Hey, MAJOR PROPS to Jasno for spotting the Mariucci needle in a Snyratto haystick.

Monk should have been in ages ago. Seriously. Everyone says he was unselfish, did all the little things. A great blocker, led by example, made smart plays. Went over the middle. Made big plays. Was excellent in the postseason. Won championships. Oh yeah, and the unselfish guy set major some major records. How does that happen?

I've seen some rational questions raised, but they answers don't hurt Monk at all. Its almost like the guy was so good and so solid that some people need to poke holes in his case. But if you really want to answer how good Monk was, name all the modern era receivers -- then tell me which guys would have gotten the Skins more wins. Other than Jerry Rice (and isn't he the exception to everything), the answer is no one.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 31, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

If Gregg Williams is hired as defensive coordinator by the Cowboys, we will be haunted by him and then some. It will serve Daniel Snyder right. What a jerk Snyder is. He has torpoeded the Redskins in less than a few weeks. Unbelievable.

Posted by: royhobbs56 | January 31, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

pdiddy, aren't all nights cold, wet, and miserable in Seattle? I'm just saying...
Did anyone hear Riggins say Danny boy should coach the team himself? I think it would be funny if Danny had a puppet of himself to conduct the post game interviews! If you're the ultimate puppet master (clearly what they're looking for in a HC right now) why now have a puppet of yourself to control...

Posted by: kelly2field | January 31, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

I ws thinking that just maybe...this is all a PR front for the last week and a 1/2...Iof course don't know i'm not there in the office but it seems that the staff that has been hired may have already been picked out by the next HC. Who knows ...the mooch could have handed Dan a list two weeks ago.

Posted by: leevi98 | January 30, 2008 10:05 PM

PR stands for public relations.

Does what happened in the last week seem like an effort to improve public relations.

Can you ever think of a time that the HC was not rolled out for weeks while fans went crazy and the staff was selected? I can't? That makes the Owner look stupid, the players and fans look at the HC like a tool.

If you are correct it is even worse then we thought. Many more decisions are going to be made this year. God help us poor skins fans. Maybe Snyder is like the Gipper. He got a coach then forgot the next day.

Posted by: mul | January 30, 2008 10:15 PM


Of course "Mr." Snyder's minions are reading the blog and ES and ESPN and on and on. It's called a "PR Coverage Report" (with or without the associated cover sheet). Any time you make a big decision that involves media coverage, your PR Agency will pull together a coverage report for you. All coverage reports in this day and age include summaries of blog activity, including those blogs run by everyday fans/customers and not simply those written by members of the mainstream media.

My PR Agency used to assign a numeric scale from 1 to 5 for favorability to my message (1 being lowest) as well as a separate numeric scale from 1 to 5 for "pickup" of the message (how well the media outlet/blog carried my message, independent of any editorializing).

It's safe to say that the concept of hiring Jim Fassel probably generated an average score of 1 or 2 for both dimensions.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 30, 2008 10:34 PM

Thank You P Diddy!

Posted by: leevi98 | January 31, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Not all nights, good sir. Seattle is actually a pretty fun little town. But it's totally dead in January. Everyone leaves for warmer climates and the bars are completely empty.

I used to complain about Seattle all the time. But the snowboarding, restaurants, clean air, and lack of crime can't be beat. It has grown on me like the moss and fungus that grows on sidewalks and stucco.

Drinks so far:
1. Pinot Noir
2. Shot of Hornitos (I don't do Patron)
3. Another shot of Hornitos
4. Specialty vodka-based cocktail with a girly name that I shall not utter

I give myself 4 more drinks before becoming a wee bit drunk.

Blog along with me peeps.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 31, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Final shot before I bif you all goodnight:

You missed a true giant of sports coaching in those earlier lists, Coach Ernie Pantuso from Cheers.

Sadly his passing brought us Woody Harrelson, hardly a fair bargain...

Posted by: Redcoat | January 31, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Just connecting the dots here folks.

This guy is it. Former US Sentator John Edwards. Think about it. He used to live in DC. He wanted to live in DC again. He says he cares about the poor. Danny says he cares about the poor. They share the same hair stylist.

So Edwards drops out of the prez race just in time. Coincidence? I don't think so. Edwards stayed in the prez race until GG was passed over. Edwards would have quit right then, but it seemed Fassel was imminent, so he stuck with plan B, the White House thing.

But when Danny said he would wait until after the Super Bowl, Edwards saw the opening. He essentially stopped campaigning for president and let Hillary and Obama walk away with that last primary thing so he could announce his withdrawal. If he'd been too close, he couldn't have walked away.

Take it to the bank. next HC of the Redskins: John Edwards

Next up: Rudy Guliani

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 31, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

The way that ownership has reacted to Joe Gibbs retirement in the past three weeks strongly suggests that Joe Gibbs left the Redskins because he realized it was POINTLESS TO CONTINUE. Other than beg him to stick around, Dan and Vinny are not people whose leadership and presence seem to make anybody want to do anything for them.

Has anyone wondered what the past 4 years would have been like with Joe Gibbs as HC and a different owner and no Vinny?

I feel really terrible for the players, but anyone who comes here to coach is doomed to fail as long as Dan Snyder and Vinny are here.

After almost 40 years as a Redskin Fan I will be pulling for Al and Gregg to come back here with their new teams and beat the crap out of the Skins.

I never thought I'd say this, but if Gregg gets hired by the Cowboys I will pull for them to beat the SKINS.

This just in.....Joe Gibbs' Grandson leukemia...He found out after being committed to the 07 Season...HELLO!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: leevi98 | January 31, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Opp that post I commented on above was posted by


Posted by: chargersix | January 30, 2008 11:45 PM

Posted by: leevi98 | January 31, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

would love to pdiddy but 6am is right aroung the corner for us right coasters, if time doesn't put me to sleep the SA white ale will do the trick...but what we all should ask ourselves is, seriously, Who WOULD you hire as HC if you were the Redskins belt-buckle wearing Danny "you'll shoot your eye out!" Snyder? Goodnight and Godspeed

Posted by: kelly2field | January 31, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

It's not real until The Ombudsman and his sources weigh in.

Seriously. That dude, sitting on his prized Hill of Sanctimony, knows everything that's going on. He has earned the right to cast the first stone, to throw rocks at glass houses, to pontificate against all of us.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 31, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

5. Another shot of Hornitos with a friend's crazy (and crazy hot) ex-girlfriend.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 31, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Just connecting the dots here folks.

This guy is it. Next HC of the Redskins: America's mayor: Rudy Gulliani. Think about it. He so wanted to live in DC. He talks about defense all the time. He's always understands the long yardage situations, like when the team needs 9 or 11 yards.

Danny is the only one with hair, so he won't feel threatened. Rudy has plenty of experience with divorce, so when Danny's wife wants to move on, Rudy's expertise will be a big help.

So Rudy drops out of the prez race just in time. Coincidence? I don't think so. Rudy stayed in the prez race until GG was passed over. Rudy would have quit right then, but it seemed Fassel was imminent, so he stuck with plan B, the White House thing.

There is one big strike against Rudy. He could well be a spy. Get Danny to hire Rudy so he won't hire Spagnolo. Protect the NYG guy while destroying the Skins from the inside. But seriously, no one can destroy a team from the inside better than Danny, so what is there to worry about.

Anothe plus for Rudy. He was a prosecutor and still has major connections. Which could totally intimidate the refs. I mean, what stupid ref is going to call a weak pass interference penalty against the Skins, fully knowing that he'll get flown off to some foreign country to be tortured, then brought back to face bogus federal charges. I'll bet that ref will see the wisdom of a 'no call' in that type of situation.

When Danny said he would wait until after the Super Bowl, Rudy saw the opening. He essentially stopped campaigning for president and let McCain and Romney walk away with that last primary thing so he could announce his withdrawal. If he'd been too close, he couldn't have walked away.

Take it to the bank. next HC of the Redskins: Rudy Gulliani

Next up: Ron Paul ... ?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 31, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

I feel really terrible for the players,...
Posted by: leevi98 | January 31, 2008 12:29 AM

Really? Really...I wish my bank account was stacked like those poor little football players so you could feel terrible about poor little ol me too...
alright, seriously that's my last post tonight, the booze is maken' me brian cells swim, besides I'd hate to piss everyone off like our...et..um.."beloved" Redskins owner!

Posted by: kelly2field | January 31, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

So, other than Diddy in Seattle and Nate in Portland and me in San Jose, who are the West Coast bloggers?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 31, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

6. Another shot of Hornitos

Posted by: PDiddy | January 31, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

5. Another shot of Hornitos with a friend's crazy (and crazy hot) ex-girlfriend.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 31, 2008 12:34 AM

First the place is empty and now, all of a sudden your ex-friend's girl is doing shots with you? Right pdiddy Right, next thing you know she'll be asking for body shots! ok I lied about this being my last post....so sue me!

Posted by: kelly2field | January 31, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Dude, get the story right. Friend's ex-gf. Not the other way around. I did the shot because I'm polite and a man of the people (and a drunk).

Posted by: PDiddy | January 31, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Does he know you're doing shots with his ex? I think I said it right...trust me...I know....totally worth it!!

Posted by: kelly2field | January 31, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Been thinking...I think it's time to hold a little soiree in DC. Anyone have a preference for venue? I'm thinking of coming out in late February. I'm thinking Saturday 2/23.

Note: if it's out of DC City Limits, it's a non-starter. I know where I'll be staying, and I have no interest in the 'burbs.

Ideas, fellow hamsters?

Posted by: PDiddy | January 31, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

PDiddy,

Can you clarify what the code says about a friends EX-girlfriend? Does a certain amount of time have to have passed since the break up?

Or once you've passed shot #6...does that get you a mulligan regardless?

Posted by: dchandler | January 31, 2008 1:05 AM | Report abuse

She was with her new boyfriend. Who is a) better than my friend and b) completely devoid of personality.

She, of course, is a coke addict and a nutcase. But what can you do? She's got the bartender sniffles.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 31, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Let's just say that this is a chick whose nuttiness FAR outweighs her hotness.

God, I'm old.

7. One last shot of Hornitos.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 31, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

I've always have lived by this little credo
"it's hard to think when you're about to sink the pink"

Posted by: kelly2field | January 31, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Let's just say that this is a chick whose nuttiness FAR outweighs her hotness.

God, I'm old.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 31, 2008 01:08 AM

Yes, Sir...yes you are.

Posted by: dchandler | January 31, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

There seem to be some "crazy like a fox" theories going around today. I only saw one DanBOT (that is my new term) today to it seems worth exploring.

"Sanders was going to be gone no matter what, defense stays the same -- continuity!"
maybe

"we have a coach but the will not tell us"
Maybe

But...............

see next post

Posted by: mul | January 31, 2008 1:15 AM | Report abuse

8. Vodka Martini: stirred, not shaken.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 31, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

This is my one note to all the boys out there:

If they've got the sniffles and they're not sick: stay the F away.

All chicks are nuts. This is a well known fact. And nearly all chicks are worth the nonsense if you're about to do what kelly2field says.

But if they're not sick and they're doing crap with their nose that makes you think twice: don't think anymore. Run. You (and your checkbook, and your family, and your friends, and everything you hold dear in your life) will be glad you did.

And, with that, I'm gonna sign off, because...

8. One (okay, for real this time) last shot of Hornitos.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 31, 2008 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Wow, lost count.

9. One last shot of Hornitos.

Good night.

For real.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 31, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

D green mentioned the Dirty Dozen in his blog. Is he on to something?

So I am going to put all the pieces in place from our sources (DanBOTs, Crazy fans, mental cases.)

Not Dirty Dozen but -- Trading Places.

Do you remember two guys Eddie M. and Dan A. feel used by the power structure who bet one dollar that they can make a PUNK (eddie) into a winner (DAN) and make Dan the PUNK.

Also we know from one of the DanBOTs people on the post are the type of people who beat and pick on DANNY boy yada yada yada. We also know from D. Green and others that the Redskins make Lots of money.

Well you see now. At 15 Dan made a bet with one of the friends after getting his A$ kicked by some redskin fans that he could run the most screwed up NFL team in history and set recored in MONEY for any team in the world. Probably bet a set of comic books.

Now you are saying sure he has the highest pay role and makes double what the Cowgirls bring in but some soccer teams and the Yankees make more. Ahh don't forget about the dome that is coming to DC. Yea don't forget we are going to subsidies that P K. (I feel sick)

The last part of the theory .....

Posted by: mul | January 31, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

He is going to make the most money so will win the bet on that end. But are we the most screwed UP NFL team?
That is what is stopping him from winning the bet. He managed to bring in Gibbs have the FO make some bad cap moves. And brake up the team after a tragic year. So who is stopping him but Oakland. You see it is

Al Davis who was his friend at 15. They are in a stand off now waiting for the other one to make a move. Like a short distance bike race. Al has sent his Coach a letter of resignation but the coach will not quit and Dan had done everything possible to undermine the next coach. They have to wait for the other one to make the next move.

Only one man can settle this bet is "Art Shell"

Posted by: mul | January 31, 2008 1:39 AM | Report abuse

Ahh PDiddy drunken rant messed up the flow.

There seem to be some "crazy like a fox" theories going around today. I only saw one DanBOT (that is my new term) today to it seems worth exploring.

"Sanders was going to be gone no matter what, defense stays the same -- continuity!"
maybe

D green mentioned the Dirty Dozen in his blog. Is he on to something?

So I am going to put all the pieces in place from our sources (DanBOTs, Crazy fans, mental cases.)

Not Dirty Dozen but -- Trading Places.

Do you remember two guys Eddie M. and Dan A. feel used by the power structure who bet one dollar that they can make a PUNK (eddie) into a winner (DAN) and make Dan the PUNK.

Also we know from one of the DanBOTs people on the post are the type of people who beat and pick on DANNY boy yada yada yada. We also know from D. Green and others that the Redskins make Lots of money.

Well you see now. At 15 Dan made a bet with one of the friends after getting his A$ kicked by some redskin fans that he could run the most screwed up NFL team in history and set recored in MONEY for any team in the world. Probably bet a set of comic books.

Now you are saying sure he has the highest pay role and makes double what the Cowgirls bring in but some soccer teams and the Yankees make more. Ahh don't forget about the dome that is coming to DC. Yea don't forget we are going to subsidies that P K. (I feel sick)

The last part of the theory .....

He is going to make the most money so will win the bet on that end. But are we the most screwed UP NFL team?
That is what is stopping him from winning the bet. He managed to bring in Gibbs have the FO make some bad cap moves. And brake up the team after a tragic year. So who is stopping him but Oakland. You see it is

Al Davis who was his friend at 15. They are in a stand off now waiting for the other one to make a move. Like a short distance bike race. Al has sent his Coach a letter of resignation but the coach will not quit and Dan had done everything possible to undermine the next coach. They have to wait for the other one to make the next move.

Only one man can settle this bet is "Art Shell"


"we have a coach but the will not tell us"
Maybe

But...............

see next post

Posted by: mul | January 31, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

ABF!!!!

Posted by: pat5387 | January 31, 2008 2:04 AM | Report abuse

On hiring the assistants first I agree, If they waited until after the Super Bowl, with other teams looking to fill spot for assistants they may have had slim pickings, If the coach they hire wants more, he will likely get them. Better get some quality, especially Blache and Buges than get left out in the cold. It was either that or make a quick hire on the head coach, and if they were not ready to hire the HC it was not a good idea to make the hire. Here they need to be patient, yet cover their bases.

1. Grimm
2. Mooch
3. Meeks / Spags
4. McDaniel
5. Arnold Ziffel
6. Dennis Kucinich
7. Mr. Haney
9. Jim Fassel
10. Bram Wienstien

Posted by: pat5387 | January 31, 2008 2:51 AM | Report abuse

I like women whose bra straps show, just not on the outside of their clothes. I also like Russ Grimm. Since the offensive coordinator is already hired, and that horse has left the barn, why not let Zorn do the heavy west coast lifting? Then Russ can run the return to the hogs pr machine. A natural, and a hell of a line coach to boot...

I do NOT buy all this Jason Campbell needs a HC that has developed a QB...garbage. They need to leave that young man alone and let him play football. If you really want to help him get him some receivers. If not, we are the Philadelphia Eagles, albeit with truffle oil.

Posted by: Caldwell | January 31, 2008 7:02 AM | Report abuse

"My bad. Capers is talking to the Cowboys. Not yet hired...."

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 30, 2008 11:36 PM

Same deal with Gregg Williams @ Dallas.

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2008 7:27 AM | Report abuse

I don't think its fair to compare us to the Eagles with our current WR corps. I assume you mean the Eagles of the past 4-5 years, the exception year being the TO year. Anyways Moss and El are a better duo then the old Thrash/Pinkston. Though I think the Eagles found one in Kevin Curtis, but Brown is a no 3 playing the 2 slot. But my gut tells me, like any good Eagles office move, these guys will be traded for a 6th round pick and some nachos. We at least have a 3rd option with Cooley, where their no 3 guys are around 200 yds receiving. All that said we do need to get a big man on that WR list of ours. I look at what NYG did for eli with Plexico a GIANT man & Toomer was always a solid built guy. I don't think Cooley will ever be able to play that slot WR position that Gibbs tried to put him in, he is a step to slow and a few inches to short.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 31, 2008 7:34 AM | Report abuse

Grimm, Grimm, GRIMM!!!!!!

Mooch second choice and if he hires Fassel to even fill the waterboy job I am done!

Signed a 47 year fan

Posted by: Thoroughbred | January 31, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

If you had to rank the WR teams for the NFC East I think it goes NY,Dal,WAS, PHI

Posted by: alex35332 | January 31, 2008 7:41 AM | Report abuse

I always hear guys saying "I am done" I don't buy it. We are all suffering from that think that abused spouses get. So to quote some white trash out there when the cops come knocking at the door " Don't take em aways, I love eim'"

Posted by: alex35332 | January 31, 2008 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Hers is my picks:
Grimm
Mooch
Scherleth,
Darrell Green
joe jacoby
We need someone who knows the redskins tradition
heck maybe Sonny Jurgenson & Joe Thiesman would be great co coaches

Posted by: bert3 | January 31, 2008 7:53 AM | Report abuse

This is an open letter to Mr. Snyder; hopefully his PR folk will see this as they comb through blogs.

Having been widely praised for your acts of kindness through the Taylor murder, you now have the opportunity to do the right thing again, but, this time, it would not be based on money.

It strikes me (and perhaps others) that many people are loyal to you, largely because you paid them handsomely--for example Mr. Cerrato or even Coach Gibbs who lauded you repeatedly for your willingness to spend.

This is a pipe dream, but here goes. True loyalty has no price; it comes from the souls of persons. Similarly, a team has a soul, and a big part of the Skins' soul was ripped away in bad fashion via the dismissal of Coach Williams. The players will continue to "do their jobs" to the best of their ability, but their "will" to strive for excellence was in the soul of the "TEAM".

Do the right thing. Coach Williams is still out there. Your PR people could spin it and say, "We released Gregg so that he could be free to interview with other clubs; we never said we did'nt want him." You'll have to sell it to him, but if you want the player's loyalty, the fans' genuine praise, and all-around good will for a team that was finally headed in the right direction, this would be the blockbuster strategic move. . .Far-fetched, yes; but just think about it.

Posted by: weldonhill | January 31, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Jason,
I don't like the Old Nags in your race but there's a better looking race at a different race track. Tell Dan to take a look.

Denni Green
Ron Meeks
Russ Grimm
Mike Singletary

And the winner is.......

Posted by: jamesrice | January 31, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

When healthy, our receiving corp is fine. Santana Moss had a bad year, but he still showed at the end that he's one of the top deep threats in football. Randle El showed that he can step in to the #2 slot in more than a satisfactory manner. Our 3, 4, and 5 (thrash, mccardell, caldwell) receivers performed well this year, possibly even overachieved a bit, but I do have confidence in them when they're out on the field, just not confidence that they'll be gamebreakers. And we do have 2 young, talented, developing receivers that could make an impact next year in Espy and Mix. We also have two talented backs in catching out of the backfield. And Cooley has progressed every year from good, to better, to great, and will establish himself as one of the leagues top tight ends. We may need to "upgrade" due to injury concerns, but not because our guys aren't talented enough. I'd be willing to bet if we can stay relatively healthy next year, we will have the best receiving year (statistically) that this team has had in a LONG time.

Posted by: psps23 | January 31, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Jasno,
I don't like the Old Nags in your race but there's a better looking race at a different race track. Tell Dan to take a look.

Denni Green
Ron Meeks
Russ Grimm
Mike Singletary

And the winner is.......

Posted by: jamesrice | January 31, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Fassel has laminitis, someone please put him down. Mooch, once way off the pace, comes back to win it.

I'd be OK with that. I like Meeks and would be happy with him but I don't think The Schneid would gamble on him.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 31, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

If he takes the job with Snyder he'll have to be more Smooch than Mooch.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 31, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Given that the Skins' goal is to get to the Super Bowl:

How many head coaches, after reaching the Super Bowl with one team, take another team there? How many two-time head coaches who never reached the Super Bowl take a third team there as head coach?

These aren't rhetorical questions. I think Parcells, Vermeil and Holmgren are the only answers to the first question; don't know any coach who fits in the second class. The point is this -- percentages. What are the chances Fassel will be another Parcells or Holmgren (he does kinda look like Vermeil)? What are the chances Mooch will do what (I think) no coach has ever done? Not likely.

Most head coaches in the Super Bowl are in their first position as a head coach. A few others are head coaches, who not making it in brief stints with one team, eventually make it with their second team. We missed out on Williams. So hire Meeks. Hire the Patriots OC or the Giants DC, Grimm or Singletary. Play the percentages.

First time for anything, you say. There must always be exceptions. Yes, but what recently about the Redskins has been exceptional?

Posted by: LittleSoren | January 31, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Everyone seems to like Mooch--not so sure why. The guy had a horrible record in Detroit. Also, he totally blows his own horn. But I guess that is the kind of guy that Dan likes.

Posted by: n6797p | January 31, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

"How many two-time head coaches who never reached the Super Bowl take a third team there as head coach?"

Coughlin (Jags-Giants), Gruden (Raiders-Bucs), Belicheck (Browns-Pats), Dungy (Bucs-Colts)...

Posted by: skinsfan_81 | January 31, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Mariucci would be a better choice than Fassel but I'm still boycotting Synder and his stupidity!!

Posted by: skinsfan7 | January 31, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

n6797p it's we just dislike Fassel so much that we will take anyone else. No to Fassel. No to Fassel.

Posted by: jm220 | January 31, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Was is Vinny Larry this morning?

Posted by: jm220 | January 31, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

I don't buy it that you need an offensive minded head coach. But if you go that way I'd much rather have Grimm than Mooch or Fizzle. And McDaniels; I'm afraid if he were by himself at Redskins Park late at night you'd have a scene from Home Alone.

But I would gladly accept Spinoza or Meeks. They both clearly have skills that would be valuable to the defense, and I would not worry about egos getting in the way. And Blache, Meeks and Spag all seem to like to play a similar kind of attacking defense with more man than zone coverage.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 31, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Al Saunders in St. Louis =

Marc Bulger - return to the Pro Bowl
Torry Holt - 1400 yards/12TDs
Steve Jackson - 2000+ combo yards/25 TDs

Al is gonna show the world that his offense was NOT the problem in Washington...hope we don't have to see them next year...

Posted by: p1funk | January 31, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Al is gonna show the world that his offense was NOT the problem in Washington...hope we don't have to see them next year...

Posted by: p1funk | January 31, 2008 09:12 AM

We get them at FedEx in 2008.

Posted by: HogsHead | January 31, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Obviously Gregg Williams would have been the best choice. He would have fielded an aggressive and tough team. He also would have left Al Saunders alone. After 3 years, Saunders system would have really taken off! The best way to soothe the livid anger of the fan base would be to hire Mooch. I think he is a terrific coach. You can't hold Detroit against him, no one can win up there. Is it true that Larry Michael drives Danny boy to work every morning??

Posted by: jimwell | January 31, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

If Todd Collins goes to St Louis maybe the Redskins can get Gus Frerrotte to back up JC.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 31, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

We get them at FedEx in 2008.

Posted by: HogsHead | January 31, 2008 09:16 AM

DAMN!

Posted by: jm220 | January 31, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Al Saunders in St. Louis =

Marc Bulger - return to the Pro Bowl
Torry Holt - 1400 yards/12TDs
Steve Jackson - 2000+ combo yards/25 TDs

Al is gonna show the world that his offense was NOT the problem in Washington...hope we don't have to see them next year...

Posted by: p1funk | January 31, 2008 09:12 AM

Tory Holt had close to those number this year.

Steven Jackson would have if he had played all season.

If any of those predictions happen I assure you it will be because they will have an offensive line this year, not because of a different offense.

Posted by: sams3 | January 31, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Everyone is missing the point. I'm fine with Mooch, fine with Meeks, fine with Spag's, fine with McD, fine with Grimm, but not Fossil. Point is, it should have been Williams...period. He's out of it now and we have to live with that, but GG should have been the guy.

Snyder knew it...Vinny talked him out of it...and ultimatly they blew it. Completely blew it. The players wanted him, the coaches wanted him, and yes even the fans wanted him. The Skins finally became a "family" at the end of last year and he was the guy who could have kept it all together. Name one of the dominant sporst franchises right now that doesn't have that "family" thing going??? Pats, Spurs, Yanks (puke, but true until Torre left), etc. Thats what makes temas great.

Snyder and Cerrato threw it away and missed one of the great opportunities in sports. So be it. Time to deal with it and cheer for the burgandy and gold no matter what!

HAIL!

Posted by: akabat | January 31, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

The other day there was some talk of the Cowgrrls trading Barber and some round 1 picks to Miami to get McFadden.

Looks like that may be off now as Ocho-Cinco has asked the Bengals to trade him to Miami. The word is now that Miami might trade frist rounds with Atlanta so they can get McFadden and then trade Atlanta's first round to Negals as part of the Johnson trade (Bengals want a DT) and then use the Bengals pick to get Chris Long....

Posted by: Redcoat | January 31, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

RC, what would Miami be getting in return for trading back that much? What would Atl. be giving them other than swapping of #1's? How do you feel about these trades? I thought that the Dallas trade would be a HUGE windfall for your team.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 31, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

If any of those predictions happen I assure you it will be because they will have an offensive line this year, not because of a different offense.

Posted by: sams3 | January 31, 2008 09:27 AM

The HOGS are the reasons for our SBs. Both times we made a run to the playoffs during GibbsII was because of the play of our offensive line.

This is the start of any solid team and should be our focus. With time to throw, any QB can make all of the throws, or any RB can run through holes provided by the HOGS of old. These are the men that make it happen!

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 31, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Anybody else see in the story in the paper today at the bottom that Double G has drawn interest from Dallas? The thought of Williams in Dalls drawing up blitzes on Campbell just makes me sick and I really hope that doesn't happen, but that would be the ultimate way to get back at the Danny.

Posted by: Hammertime9 | January 31, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

RC, what would Miami be getting in return for trading back that much? What would Atl. be giving them other than swapping of #1's? How do you feel about these trades? I thought that the Dallas trade would be a HUGE windfall for your team.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 31, 2008 09:48 AM

Not sure, but here's the skinny from a Fins site. Aplogies for the long non-Skins post.

"Ultimately the Bengals should make a decision that will be best for the team. Come draft day, two players could have heavy bearing on that decision. Its well known that the Bengals have issues on the interior of their defensive line, and to make things worse, Justin Smith might also be out the door. While it's a safe bet the Bengals can land a Defensive End like Derrick Harvey, Calais Campbell, or Phillip Merling with the number Nine pick, there is no safe bet they will land Glenn Dorsey or Sedrick Ellis with that pick. You have to go back to 2003 and Dewayne Robertson to find the last time a Defensive Tackle was held in such high regard. In a year when there are two such players the Bengals have a shot to hit on a dominant prospect that can be a cornerstone for the defense and they might go ahead and pull the trigger while unloading a disgruntled Johnson at the same time. With the number Nine Pick the Phins could take one of the Offensive Tackles that fall, either Clady or Long. My personal favorite is Linebacker Dan Connor. If Zach is lost, that's a huge dropoff in production and leadership. Connor could step in right away and play next to Crowder.

Another scenario could involve the Falcons. I know most everyone thinks that a Quarterback is a lock for them, but not me. People fail to forget that the Falcons could not even sellout football games until Micheal Vick arrived. The year they went 14-2 and earned a trip to the Super Bowl they only had two sellouts. Two! However they set club records in season ticket sells with the addition of Vick and had six straight seasons of sellout games that finally came to an end this year. In a town of hard line hard to please fans, Vick is a superstar. Vick played the system by failing a drug test just before he went into prison which qualified him for a drug rehab program and further qualified him for early release. He won't be out this season but should be out the following one. If Vick comes out humbled, apologetic, and determined to play football, Falcon fans will be excited to have him back. Seeing how Blank treats Vick like a son, I don't see why he wouldn't give him another shot.

If the Falcons were to fall in love with McFadden and Oakland picks before them, they could desire to trade up. Besides the fact that most people consider McFadden with his incredible combination of speed and strength to be the best player available, he and Vick could combine for a lethal duo. A best case scenario in my best case world would involve the Dolphins trading down to the Falcons, and then trading down to the Bengals. At least there is potential for some options."

Posted by: Redcoat | January 31, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Anybody else see in the story in the paper today at the bottom that Double G has drawn interest from Dallas? The thought of Williams in Dalls drawing up blitzes on Campbell just makes me sick and I really hope that doesn't happen, but that would be the ultimate way to get back at the Danny.

Posted by: Hammertime9 | January 31, 2008 10:01 AM

That truly is horrifying! We may never beat Dallas again. Thanks Danny!!

Posted by: jimwell | January 31, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Who would be unhappier: (1) a Snyder fan/lover/apologist after reading this blog over the past few weeks or (2) a Jets fan forced to watch the game on Sunday night?

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Vinny Larry come out and play. Vinny larry come out and play.

Posted by: jm220 | January 31, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

RC, thanks for the update.

Regarding the GG to the Cowboys, not sure I buy that. I think he end up in Jacksonville.

Also regarding the O-line, agreed 100 percent. There is a cat from Nebraska, I think his last name is Nix, goes about 6'6, and 341, had a great showing at the Senior Bowl. Could be a good second round pick, if he pans out at the Combine/pro-day.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 31, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

There is plenty of offensive line talent to be found in the later rounds. This is where our front office needs to do their homework.

Buges is our most important keep IMO.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 31, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Anybody else see in the story in the paper today at the bottom that Double G has drawn interest from Dallas? The thought of Williams in Dalls drawing up blitzes on Campbell just makes me sick and I really hope that doesn't happen, but that would be the ultimate way to get back at the Danny.

Posted by: Hammertime9 | January 31, 2008 10:01 AM

That truly is horrifying! We may never beat Dallas again. Thanks Danny!!

Posted by: jimwell | January 31, 2008 10:03 AM

This statment makes me laugh, the grass is always greener baby!

When Williams was here no one was saying "Boy, we can't ever lose to Dallas becaue we have Williams!" Now that he may go somewhere else where ever he goes is an instant winner. The redskins didn't win too much when Saunders and Williams were here however, according to everyone where ever they go they will be the best of all time.

Hard logic to follow.

Posted by: sams3 | January 31, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

kerz, agreed, but so far the Redskins haven't been able to unearth any late round offensive linemen. I'd be happier if they spent an early pick on one...if they have a chance to get a top notch guy, then by all means they should...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 31, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Hire Mariucci Already!!!!!

Posted by: SonnyFan | January 31, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I never thought I'd say this, but if Gregg gets hired by the Cowboys I will pull for them to beat the SKINS.

This just in.....Joe Gibbs' Grandson leukemia...He found out after being committed to the 07 Season...HELLO!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: leevi98 | January 31, 2008 12:29 AM

Wow you would cheer for some coaches over the team you are supposed to be a fan of? You might just be the worst fan ever, or an idiot, or both. Go become a Cowboys fan, we need real fans to cheer for this team.

Posted by: briank450 | January 31, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

"... Regarding the GG to the Cowboys, not sure I buy that. I think he end up in Jacksonville. ..."

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 31, 2008 10:18 AM

Jaguars are one of the poorest franchises in the NFL, right there with the Bills. If Saunders' annual salary here exceeded Linehan's in St. Louis, then Williams' salary probably would lap Del Rio's. I think the only team in the NFL able to keep up with the Synderes on being able to unload Williams' salary would be the Joneses. Williams was making more than most head coaches in the NFL.

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Greg, Derrick Dockery was 3rd round and according to Buffalo (not me) is worth 5 trillion dollars, do you mean 4th round or later?

Posted by: sams3 | January 31, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

greg(b), I thought Montgomery and Golsten were picked btwn rounds 4 and 6 ... Lorenzo Alexander and Heyer weren't drafted at all. Seems like awhile since they even tried to use the draft for an offensive lineman (other than Kili Lefotu).

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

briank450, I'm going to go with idiot without pride.

Posted by: sams3 | January 31, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Greg, I agree. IMO 1st round DL, 2nd round OL (though we may need to go with DB early). But we have to make good use of our later round picks.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 31, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

clearly you can't root for williams if he goes to dallas. Why even mention that. It shows you have more dislike for the owner than love for the team... ie not a real fan. Hate The Schneid all you want but love the Redskins more. Period!

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 31, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

If we went DL or WR, depending on who is available at #21, and then OL in the second and third, I'd be happy with that. If Calais Campbell tests out well, and all the WR's are off the board, then I think you have to pick him. But if Limas Sweed is still out there...he's going to be tough to pass up...

Also agree that CB needs to be addressed, depending on what happens with Springs, and how Rogers rehabs.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 31, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Not sure I am sold on Sweed and WR are a gamble in rd one. With our young tackles, DE in 1st.

Don't expect Springs back, and hope Rogers not only recovers, but continues to step up.

If we go DL, OL through most of this draft, I would be happy. To me, this is the key.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 31, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 31, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

free agency precedes the draft. i think we should seek a CB in free agency, and then another guy, either DE or WR.

what that remains for the draft would be the position not picked up in free agency (DE or WR) and an offensive tackle. my gut tells me to prepare to replace jansen, but my brain tells me to prepare to replace kendall.

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

what about trading betts for a WR?

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 31, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

When Williams was here no one was saying "Boy, we can't ever lose to Dallas becaue we have Williams!" Now that he may go somewhere else where ever he goes is an instant winner.

Hard logic to follow.

Posted by: sams3 | January 31, 2008 10:24 AM

sams, I think what the poster was saying is that GG will know exactly how to go after Jason, what looks he struggles to read, what his behaviors are in certain scenarios. Also, that if Blache means 'continuity' on defense, GG would also know where the holes are in the schemes (more or less) and more-importantly, what the Skins defensive personnel can and cannot do.

Of course if the Skins personnel changes significantly, all bets are off, but even then, GG would know what 'looks' an offense should give to LFB to throw hinm off the scent....

As for Weird Al, that would just come down to execution, but he again should at least know who to pick on in the defense from the current roster.

If you want to seehow this works look at Mangini vs. Belichick. Last year (first year away) Mangini was embarrassing the Pats all over the place because he obviously 'knew' what they would o in given situations. This year with different personnel, that effect has begun to wear off.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 31, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

If we can get Samuels, that would be a steal. Hard to compete with how NE runs their organization, so money is the key to getting him.

My fear is our salary cap not letting us get the FAs we need.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 31, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

If Calais Campbell tests out well, and all the WR's are off the board, then I think you have to pick him.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 31, 2008 10:42 AM

I've heard chat that the Bungles are very interested in Calais Campbell too. he may not be there for you guys.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 31, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

This is why I want Mariucci:


COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLEY!!!

SMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCH!!!

Posted by: rhyde | January 31, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

kerz, I somewhat agree on Sweed, but if his wrist is healed up, he could be a HUGE steal at 21. Had he not gotten hurt this year, and merely duplicated his numbers from last year, he'd be a top 5 pick, I'd guess.

dc, I disagree about Kendall. Sure he needs a day or two off a week to rest his knee's, ankles, but I think he's pretty durable, and played well throughout the year. With Jansen, I think the mind is able but his body is just not willing anymore....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 31, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Williams will draw up blitzes against Cambell and we will never beat Dallas that makes me laugh you mean like all the blitzes he drew up here that we never used. We could not get any were near the QB while he was with us we produced no turnovers and we collapsed in the second half on numerous occasions. Dallas can have him he wont help the fact that there secondary is terrible. People act like he is the second coming of VL give me a break.

Posted by: kmdp4 | January 31, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Betts may have some real value this year and smart trades, even though we lose "core players" are also needed to fix the cap unless our players are willing to redo their contracts.

Health will also determine our record and with Jansens recent history...

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 31, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"what about trading betts for a WR?"

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 31, 2008 10:50 AM

Seems like the Skins always come out on the bad side of trades. The trade for Kendall seems like the closest the Skins have come to a break even point in many many years ... twelfth year guard for a 4th or 5th round draft pick. The former has a finite shelf life and the latter has infinite possibilities (ranging from success to failure). Taylor Jacobs for Mike Rumph was junk for junk. Other than those two, I can't recall the Skins even approaching break even.

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

ChrisLarry is such a d-bag. Who uses words like "tool" anymore? What are you, 12?

Posted by: rickyd | January 31, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

NYC peeps/frequent visitors

Headed up to NYC (staying close to the UN) for the weekend and was looking for ideas for fun, not not crazy expensive (no $25 cover/$20 drink) places to hit Sat evening. Would really like to know where I could run into Adam Samberg and Maya Rudolph, but I realize CL and Nate cannot divulge such information.

Thanks in advance

Adam

PS Diddy, it's not too original, but I'd think the Zaytinya/IndeBlue combo for a Sat evening in DC would work well.

Posted by: argh | January 31, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

The redskins didn't win too much when Saunders and Williams were here however, according to everyone where ever they go they will be the best of all time.

Hard logic to follow.

Posted by: sams3 | January 31, 2008 10:24 AM

Actually, the Skins made the playoffs 50% of the time for each coach (1/2 for Saunders, 2/4 for Williams). I'd say you have to be somewhat of a winner to get to the playoffs 50% of the time, particularly with a franchise that only went to the playoffs once in the previous 12 years.

Additionally, Williams D was in the Top 10 3 out of 4 years he was here.

Add to that the fact that both men were further seasoned under Hall of Fame Coach Gibbs (for 2 and 4 years, repectively), and I'd say there's every reason to believe they're better coaches now than when they first got here. Williams certainly seemed to smooth some rough edges under Gibbs.

They're perfectly set up to blossom, which is why I believe so many other teams immediately expressed interest.

Again, who else is talking to Fassel besides the Skins? Follow the logic now?

Posted by: Alan4 | January 31, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

GG does not need the money. Jacksonville is where the road to his next HC job lies. And I think he learned his lessons about hands on owners. Though not a rich franchise, well run IMO.

Greg, I still think a DE is more important that WR. With a good line, our WR can give us another year, especially if we use caldwell.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 31, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

sams, I think what the poster was saying is that GG will know exactly how to go after Jason, what looks he struggles to read, what his behaviors are in certain scenarios. Also, that if Blache means 'continuity' on defense, GG would also know where the holes are in the schemes (more or less) and more-importantly, what the Skins defensive personnel can and cannot do.


From the looks of last year, pretty much ever Defensive coach in the NFL knows exactly how to get at him. All you have to do is send someone up the middle and he will just be let through untouched.

Posted by: sams3 | January 31, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I dont see Williams going to the boys, the boys run a 3-4 williams has always been a 4-3 to completely different defenses. I wouldnt surprise me to see him go to the jags or the rams.

Posted by: SAK2 | January 31, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

redcoat - your thoughts on Ocho wanting to go to miami? they don't seem to have any QB to throw to him and would have to give up the 1st round to get him? Sounds like a poor move if you ask me.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 31, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

"... Who uses words like "tool" anymore? ..."

Posted by: rickyd | January 31, 2008 10:59 AM

A carpenter? A plumber? A dentist?

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

argh - Josh Roseman is at Lucilles tonight... if you like jazz. It's free; It's the grill at BBKings.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 31, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Alan4, I get what you are saying but i don't think getting pounded into the ground by Seattle in 2 playoff appearances makes you a good coach.

Al and Greg are both older guys how much blossoming do you think they have left to do?

I would argue that the only reason they had any success was because of Gibbs. As far as Williams having the D in the top 10 3 of 4 years, its much easier to hold a team to less yards and points when you don't score at all yourselves. Ask the Radiers what happend to them since last year? When you score no points other teams take it down a notch.

Posted by: sams3 | January 31, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

"I don't think its fair to compare us to the Eagles with our current WR corps."

Alex- like P Diddy I am a very fair man if anything. But look at it: Santana can't stay on the field, the Hell yeah Randle El is a great slot receiver but outside...? (By the way he reminds me of Welker) And Cooley will serve but we can definitely upgrade...

And we need to because of the importance of the passing game in 2009 and on...any team will make Jason beat them.

What we need is a 6 plus man with attitude ala OCHO CINQUO. Yes it could happen. Just make him sign in blood that he wouldn't go T.O. on us.

Posted by: Caldwell | January 31, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

My fear is our salary cap not letting us get the FAs we need.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 31, 2008 10:51 AM

Are you serious? The ONLY thing Snyder does even remotely right is pay for FAs. Now, if we could only get him to pay the right ones...

They need to score big in this draft more than anything else. Contrary to popular belief in Redskin Nation, this team is NOT close to a Super Bowl contender. They need to get a coach who is a teacher and can cultivate young talent, and use the next 2-3 years drafting that talent so they can contend for a 5-6 year window instead of loading up on FAs and having a window of only about 3 years. But that, of course, depends on Vinny picking studs and making the draft count. God help us all...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 31, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

There is not much point in draft day fantasizing at this stage. The someday to be named head coach may have a few firm ideas about what kind of existing players would fit into his plans. After that turnover period then we see where the more immediate holes are. Each new coach seems to see a few more inherited players as being immediately expendable than his predecessor.

Posted by: driley | January 31, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand why people think Miami would want Chad Johnson. If they wanted a top tier wideout instead of a high draft pick why would they have traded chambers away for a pick? that would be the stupidest thing of all time to trade away a top notch reciever for a pick then waste a pick by picking up a different one.

Not that I am saying Chamber is CJ but he looked pretty good this year.

Posted by: sams3 | January 31, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

And Cooley will serve but we can definitely upgrade...

They need better than one of the top 5 TE's in football?

Posted by: sams3 | January 31, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand why people think Miami would want Chad Johnson. If they wanted a top tier wideout instead of a high draft pick why would they have traded chambers away for a pick? that would be the stupidest thing of all time to trade away a top notch reciever for a pick then waste a pick by picking up a different one.

Not that I am saying Chamber is CJ but he looked pretty good this year.

Posted by: sams3 | January 31, 2008 11:16 AM

Remember though, it wasn't Parcells that traded Chambers.

Posted by: ceevans | January 31, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Brown, FA are expensive and unless some of our players redo their contracts, we will not be able to afford them. For, Samuels is the best FA available, but will be expensive.

This team has shown that it will pay for the FAs, but most have been splashes. Agree with the rest of your post. If we win the SB in the next couple of years will be great, but we need to be realistic and build this team for many SB ala Kraft in NE.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 31, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know if Mooch and Fassel are friends? Just wondering if the mysterious flight to the SW was a round about way for management to communicate with Mooch and avoid the Detroit issues. Then the OC/DC hires could have been the guys Mooch wanted.

Posted by: Keyskonnection | January 31, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

"As far as Williams having the D in the top 10 3 of 4 years, its much easier to hold a team to less yards and points when you don't score at all yourselves."

Now that is a statement that made me wonder about someone's football IQ. If a point diffential is great than defenses have a tendency to play deeper zones and give up the shorter yard passes. However, if an offense is forced to play from behind then they are also forced to run the ball less and to committ to the passing attack. Now the defense can concentrate on only playing pass defense which will create more turnovers and sacks. When the defense is forced to gamble because the offense can not score then bad things tend to happen, the odds of constantly gambling will work against them eventually.

Posted by: driley | January 31, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I want no part of either Assante Samuel, nor Chad Johnson. I'm hoping neither of these guys is even on the Redskins radar. Every guy who leaves the pats, never does anything, and its a long list. David Givens, Deion Branch, Christian Fauria, Damien Woody, David Patten, no thank you on Assante.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 31, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

What's wrong with having Chad Johnson?

Posted by: jm220 | January 31, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

"As far as Williams having the D in the top 10 3 of 4 years, its much easier to hold a team to less yards and points when you don't score at all yourselves."

Now that is a statement that made me wonder about someone's football IQ. If a point diffential is great than defenses have a tendency to play deeper zones and give up the shorter yard passes. However, if an offense is forced to play from behind then they are also forced to run the ball less and to committ to the passing attack. Now the defense can concentrate on only playing pass defense which will create more turnovers and sacks. When the defense is forced to gamble because the offense can not score then bad things tend to happen, the odds of constantly gambling will work against them eventually.

Posted by: driley | January 31, 2008 11:26 AM

If this was true point differentials would be 40 points per game not 7-10 like it actaully is.

Posted by: sams3 | January 31, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

"... Contrary to popular belief in Redskin Nation, this team is NOT close to a Super Bowl contender. ..."

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 31, 2008 11:14 AM

Given what you need to get to the Super Bowl, i.e., play very very well in December, I don't think this can be projected. I would agree that the Skins probably are not contenders to win the NFC East ... but all we need to do is get the wild card.

Also, Asante Samuel is not the best free agent CB out there ... Nnamdi Asomugha is. Samuel is an important part of an overall very strong defense on a team that can keep the defense off the field and fresh. Asomugha is an overall very strong CB on the Raiders.

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

"And who should be ahead of me in line, ordering coffee and then spilling a significant amount of that coffee, but Jim Fassel"

Another reason No Fassel! No Fassel!

Posted by: jm220 | January 31, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Teams, save the pats, usually play up or down to their competition. 2 years ago the Raiders scored about 5 points per game but they were one of the best defenses. Last year they were awful. The talent only got better, the reason the D appeared to be worse was becaue the offense coudl somewhat score. Instead of the game being a joke the other teams offense felt pressure to move the ball.

Over half the game the Redskins offense doesn't come close to moving the ball. This is when the Defense makes the majority of its stands. The other team gets into the flow of the game which is not scoring. I promise you if the redskins were scoring 35 points a game that defense woudl not have been in the top 10 of the nfl.

Posted by: sams3 | January 31, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

jm220, I'm with you. I would welcome CJ (or Larry Fitzgerald) with open arms. Though Ocho Cinco is flashy, he seems like a decent guy, a solid teammate (with the exception of this week's yammering to the press that he wants to be traded), and a solid performer on the field. The WR version of Clinton Portis.

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

sams 3, just two points:

i don't think getting pounded into the ground by Seattle in 2 playoff appearances makes you a good coach.

Ignoring the playoff victory, as you did, losing 20-10 to the Seahawks with limp-armed Brunnel (need I say more) and giving away a game in the 4th quarter of a 14-13 game when your kicker and backup QB screw up is hard to put on the coaches.

Al and Greg are both older guys how much blossoming do you think they have left to do?

I'm an older guy (40) working on my PhD. I peronally think there's always room to grow and improve. I actually admire that Gibbs, at his age, admitted his offense wasn't working a recruited Saunders. That's growth.

As far as Williams having the D in the top 10 3 of 4 years, its much easier to hold a team to less yards and points when you don't score at all yourselves. Ask the Radiers what happend to them since last year? When you score no points other teams take it down a notch.

By your logic, the bottom scoring teams should have the top defenses. But I see the Colts, Pats, and Steelers in the top 5, and they also have among the best offensive point productions.

The Skins are a playoff team. One team they crunched at the end of the season is in the Super Bowl. Williams D held the Giants to 10 points when they were still fighting for a playoff spot. Did the Giants take it down a notch on them?

Posted by: Alan4 | January 31, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

...sorry, three points.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 31, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

jm, I just think he's too much of a drama queen. Good to great player, but at this point is getting up there in age, and his salary would be prohibitive.

Just my .02

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 31, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

sams3 give credit where credit is due. There are other teams that scored less than us but their D wasn't in the top 10. Give Williams the credit he earn.

Posted by: jm220 | January 31, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

By your logic, the bottom scoring teams should have the top defenses. But I see the Colts, Pats, and Steelers in the top 5, and they also have among the best offensive point productions.

this isnt true because most of the bottom teams have no defensive talent.

Posted by: sams3 | January 31, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

If this was true point differentials would be 40 points per game not 7-10 like it actaully is.

Posted by: sams3 | January 31, 2008 11:30 AM

A true dominating offense will make a 10 point lead stand up. If an offense can control the clock with long drives then the opposing offense can not score at all. This shortens the game in the sense that there are fewer series for the opposing offense to have a chance to score.
Since we have not had a dominating offense (what was our highest offensive ranking in the Williams' tenure?) then for Greg Williams defense to be ranked in the top ten is more impressive.

Posted by: driley | January 31, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

jm220, I love Williams it's not an attack on him. I think he was a great coach. I am simply saying the team he goes to isn't going to instantly be in the top 10. He got alot of help in Washington that he may not get elsewhere. Mainly the past 4 of the redskins 1st picks (every year he was there) were defensive studs. 3 of which came in the first 8 picks.

Not every team is willing to give your side of the ball all the talent in your draft.

Posted by: sams3 | January 31, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

They also brought in almost an free agent defender that gregg wanted. Not every team in the NFL has the bank to do that.

Posted by: sams3 | January 31, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

OK cool sams3. It came across to me like it was attack. I agree with you last statement that he might not get 3 players in the first round with his next team.

Posted by: jm220 | January 31, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | January 31, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

IMO defensively a DE and CB are the two missing pieces, and depth. Samuels would be a good fit. So would Asomugha.

My point was more to the fact that we will not be able to afford the top FA out there because of the cap.

Agree with the productions of NE FA after they leave.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 31, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

or start here if you're too lazy to scroll up to the top

http://www.coachmike.net/artmonk/artmonk.htm

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | January 31, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

A true dominating offense will make a 10 point lead stand up. If an offense can control the clock with long drives then the opposing offense can not score at all. This shortens the game in the sense that there are fewer series for the opposing offense to have a chance to score.
Since we have not had a dominating offense (what was our highest offensive ranking in the Williams' tenure?) then for Greg Williams defense to be ranked in the top ten is more impressive.


Posted by: driley | January 31, 2008 11:39 AM

So true. That was the Skins winning formula in Gibbs 1.0. Long, slow running drives kept the defense off the field.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 31, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Adam/argh, I am at liberty to divulge the location of my excellent dinner with cL and ArtMonkToTheSticks on Monday: the Spotted Pig, W 11th St @ Greenwich St (not Greenwich Ave, which AMTTS found out the hard way).

While it was awesome that Andy Samberg sat to my immediate right and I rapped with him a little bit, Maya Rudolph was seated diagonally across from chRIs LarRy, so he had the best view of this longtime object of his affection. I cannot promise you'll see a celeb while you're there, but the food and drink were excellent.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 31, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

PoopPoop-

Wow. Just...wow.

It can never be said enough:

F Peter King
F "Dr." Z
F the HOF

Posted by: 4-12 | January 31, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Whoa there... I think that other Art Monk for the HOF site is more up to date.

Yes, PeKing and Dr. Z have blackballed Monk for years, but I believe BOTH of them are now on record as Monk supporters for this year's class.

We need to be very gentle with anti-voter statements the next few days! We don't want to give them any bulletin board material for when they're in that smoke-filled room casting their secret ballots.

Art Monk and Darrell Green for the HOF class of '08... make it so!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 31, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Poop,

Excellent article on Art Monk. I guess you truly have to be an ESPN mouth to get into the HOF these days. Being just plain good and quiet gets you nothing. I did not see a statistic for catches for first downs. I think that was his true value.

Posted by: driley | January 31, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

How about this list...

Wish 1...Mooch
Wish 2...Det. Bunk ( WIRE reference!!! I'd just love to hear him on the sidelines yelling at #17 the way he yells at McNaulty .." Jason!??! Have you lost your f****n minD!??"

WISH 3...Barak Obama...oooops wrong list.

Ok gimme a minute

Posted by: cej75024 | January 31, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

So if Paul Zimmerman is willing to cave in on his own personal agenda regarding Monk after all these years, is this somewhat of an admission that he was wrong, or that his argument was not all that compelling in the first place?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 31, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Sams - I didn't mean to denigrate your man Cooley, I meant we can upgrade the WRs. It wouldn't hurt to have some more depth behind him though, other than blocking TEs. That way, if he gets dinged, we aren't ...well...short-handed

Posted by: Caldwell | January 31, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

"ChrisLarry is such a d-bag. Who uses words like "tool" anymore? What are you, 12?

Posted by: rickyd | January 31, 2008 10:59 AM"

Wow bashing someone on their choice of slang! sorry to offend ricky d

But I am a creature of habit so:

F U ricky d, you tool.

I am hoping for nothing but the worst for you today!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 31, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Mariucci is the biggest LOSER of them all...and I'm not referring to weight loss.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | January 31, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

redcoat - your thoughts on Ocho wanting to go to miami? they don't seem to have any QB to throw to him and would have to give up the 1st round to get him? Sounds like a poor move if you ask me.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 31, 2008 11:06 AM

I think we'll pick up a new vet QB this offseason, unless Trent Green can ABSOLUTELY prove his fitness beyond any doubt. Would be nice if we could persuade McNabb to fly South but that's unlikely.

As for letting Chambers go sams3, look at his numbers with Miami. A great guy, but disappeared in most games when he could have made the difference and mostly got yards, not TDs - plus plenty of drops.

He's getting some good coaching in SD and will be a better player for it, at Miami that probably would never have happened although under Parcells, who knows.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 31, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

No matter who they decide upon I am DONE. Spitting in the face of the players and fans by firing GWilliams, esp after all the continuity rhetoric, is all I needed to bail.

You've got an old team that made the playoffs with a ton of injuries, a murdered player, real tough sched, negative turnover margin.... One figures their luck has to be better next year. You might as well stay the course for another season or 2 before you HAVE to blow everything up. The OL, Fletcher, Springs and Portis etc...only have 1-2 more yrs anywho. Not to mention your 'potential' franchise Qb just started to turn the corner with AL. Why not go to the playoffs a couple more times with them?? Look at the Giants, they limped in and have a shot at the title...the league is so even, HE actually could have won with that group.

I am currently interviewing new teams to pull for. Its down to Pitts and Denver but hey, at least I am not jumping to an NFC team. But no more Skins. Can't do it. No games, live or TV, no jerseys, hats nothing. Every cent we put in HIS pocket he misuses. A child, an idiot, el Diablo has embarrassed a once proud franchise and I am checking out.

But to the current chatter here...There is no exciting candidate in the hat. Fassel and Mariucci are retreads who will handicap JC for 2 more years with their West coast crap. Spags and Meeks are DC's and unknowns as head men--basically GWilliams 5 yrs ago. WTF??

Sorry guys..at least I have the memories. Good luck with your team. I cannot do it anymore.

Posted by: peter.fraker | January 31, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Can some network please offer Trent Green a job, so he can get out before its too late?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 31, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

All due respect to the guy linked above, whose heart is obviously in the right place, I think this is the definitive site on Monk's shot at the HOF:
http://artmonk.wordpress.com/

This page breaks down the way every single voter is leaning based on whatever statements they have made, on a zero to ten scale, ten being most likely to vote for Monk. PeKing and Dr. Z are both rated at 9, "definitely yes."
http://artmonk.wordpress.com/hall-of-fame-voters/

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 31, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

RC, I think the Phins did well by getting a 2 for Chambers. He never really became the player he should have been, I think he could have been a top notch guy, don't know if that was a lack of effort or what.

You guys have what 43 second round picks next year?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 31, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I wish they would stumped, but it's Trent who wants to play!

Posted by: Redcoat | January 31, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

test

Posted by: skinfanman | January 31, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

So if Mariucchi is a good coach why wasn't his name mentioned when all the other teams were looking for head coaches? I didn't hear his name at all. Same for Fassel. Goes to show you that The Danny and The Vinny have no idea what makes for a good football team. They only know what makes them more money and gets them more PR.

Posted by: tasaking | January 31, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Mariucci is a carpetbagger who needs a new home now that his payments from the Lions are about to dry up (an NFL version of Petrino). He will not stand the test of time.

Don't be hating Fassel. He actually won big against all of the NFC East teams (including our Redskins). Too bad he had the misfortune of being announced at the same time that fans realized that when the Little General spoke about "continuity," he meant a return to his performance as promoter/judge on the NFL's version of the old Star Search show. Such a shame.

And, what a contrast with Art Monk. A class act and Hall-of-Famer regardless of the vote of a handful of petty writers who couldn't carry his jock!

Posted by: oryx | January 31, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

A tiger can't change it's stripes.

You are either a tiger, or not.

But speaking of change, can we please change the name of this team?

Now seems like as good a time as any.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 31, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

No matter who they decide upon I am DONE

Posted by: peter.fraker | January 31, 2008 12:33 PM


Now, I certainly am not a blind follower. I don't roll with whomever. BUT !!!! What if this team with, Mooch, Fassel, Bunk, WHOMEVER starts off next year...say...4-2. All of these ID's...( "I'm Done " ) will be back here talking us up. Trying to gas our face about how great it will be to make the play-offs with all of the turmoil...yadda yadda yadda.

Attn: ID's !!! ( "I'm Done !! ")

Please note your name below, so at some point in the future ( next year, 09, whenever)...I'll start the list with...


1. peter.fraker

Posted by: cej75024 | January 31, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of petty, if you look at who is, and who is not voting for Monk, it should come as no big surprise that Len P is not voting for him.

What a bitter, pathetic and sad person he has made himself...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 31, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Lenny P should be locked up!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 31, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

no one can replace joe gibbs. but someone HAS to. Fans will gripe about whoever is named HC. Its unavoidable. I am confident Snyder will hire the best avaialable man for the job.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | January 31, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

By hiring and having a plug-n-play staff set for a HC it means one of two things:
a. Danny boy has his HC in the bag and all this waiting til after the super bowl to name his HC is a ruse to show off his "due dilligence" in a HC search
or
b. Batman and Robin have painted themselves into a corner and the only "name" guys we keep hearing about now are retreds who would gladly accept millions under these conditions.
I'm cheering for the 'Skins to Win
and to make Synder's wallet thin

Posted by: kelly2field | January 31, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Nate u da man

Wanted to go to the Spotted Pig after seeing it on Anthony Bourdain's show (No Reservations NYC). Hope I can convince others that this is the way to go.

Thanks,

Adam

PS Whoever posted about the jazz, thanks for that info to. Sounds like it's worth a gander as well.

Posted by: argh | January 31, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=503812&cc=5901

This is what we need to do to oust snyder

Posted by: s1kerste | January 31, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Argh,

If you did BBQ here are two cool places as well:

Blue Smoke: Uses the recipes and smoking techniques of BBQ legend Mike Mills (not the REM guy...)

Hill Country: Good TX style BBQ

Also a fun place for east asian fusion that can also be a lounge/hang out type place is the Spice Market.

A great dive bar with cheap drinks, good juke box is the Lakeside Lounge


Posted by: chrislarry | January 31, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

no one can replace joe gibbs. but someone HAS to. Fans will gripe about whoever is named HC. Its unavoidable. I am confident Snyder will hire the best avaialable man for the job.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | January 31, 2008 12:55 PM

except snyder could've killed two birds with one stone by hiring grilliams. he would've hired the best man for the job AND avoided griping by the fans.

but it's over i guess, now we just have to be happy with snyder's leftovers.

Posted by: psps23 | January 31, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

So if Paul Zimmerman is willing to cave in on his own personal agenda regarding Monk after all these years, is this somewhat of an admission that he was wrong, or that his argument was not all that compelling in the first place?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 31, 2008 12:26 PM

Double that sentiment for Peter King.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | January 31, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Hill Country: Good TX style BBQ

Next blog get together this is where we going Vinny Larry.

Posted by: jm220 | January 31, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

If you do not know about the Spotted Pig already, you probably should. It is the gastropub love child of celebrity chefs, musicians, record label executives and hip-hop superstars. There may well be two full floors of great microbrews, food and wines. But the third floor, well, you are not invited.

Tonight, Chef April Bloomfield has prepared capozelle, the supremely old school Sicilian specialty of sheep's head roasted to perfection. Yeah! Good stuff, yes, yes. Oh, look at that. Oh man, come on. That is beautiful.

notjm220 (Actually from the No Reservations NYC script)

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 31, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention that for Zimmerman to trot out the "8 yard hooks" as all that Monk did, makes him look misinformed, and disinterested in the whole thing.

Yeah, both PK, and PZ suck...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 31, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Yo JM2FRUIYT,

We already did! Nate, Art Monk 2 the...and others watched the Skins beat the eagles there on a MNF game!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 31, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

errr...JM2FRUITY

Posted by: chrislarry | January 31, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention that for Zimmerman to trot out the "8 yard hooks" as all that Monk did, makes him look misinformed, and disinterested in the whole thing.

Yeah, both PK, and PZ suck...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 31, 2008 01:12 PM

--------------------------------------

Yet, somehow, with only catching 8-yard hooks, Monks yards-per-catch average is well above 8 yards. Interesting.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | January 31, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Yo JM2FRUIYT,

LMGO! Now that might be the best one yet from you CL.

Posted by: jm220 | January 31, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

None of these coaching candidates are doing much for me. I so desperately want to be backing at least one of them but I think I'm still just a bit disappointed with what happened to Williams. Kind of had my heart set on him getting the job and seeing if he could make this team win. If I had to choose one of these 4 to get the job then I'd like to see it go to Meeks or Spanguolo. I could just a bit more excited about seeing what a young coach could do. Fassel and Mariucci don't do much for me at all I'm afraid. McDaniels ain't an option - no way is he going to give up the Pats for this.

Posted by: tartanskin | January 31, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I could just a bit more excited about seeing what a young coach could do.

Posted by: tartanskin | January 31, 2008 01:21 PM

Sorry, when I say "young", I really meant untried cos Ron Meeks obviously ain't that young given that he's in his mid-fifties.

Posted by: tartanskin | January 31, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

The only one I am really pulling for is Meeks. But will accept anyone except Fassel.

Posted by: jm220 | January 31, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

anything is better then fassel

Posted by: s1kerste | January 31, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

anything is better then fassel

Posted by: s1kerste | January 31, 2008 01:28 PM

I don't know if you would be better.

Posted by: sams3 | January 31, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Who Would Jesus Hire?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | January 31, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I think that there may be a surprise Super Bowl halftime show. Since the talk about Janet Jackson's wardrobe is still buzzing media circles, the producers have enticed Danny to come up with something memorable. Danny will have the three latest coaching candidates mount the stage. Each will describe in vapid terms what the HC position would mean to them if they win the job title. Danny will then mount the stage squinting into the Arizona sun and turn about face, leaving the coaches looking at his backside. Danny will then drop his pants exposing his nether regions to the coaches and the sunny side of the stadium. The coach who is least shocked by this will be awarded the job. Fassel, of course, has an advantage, having witnessed this behavior most recently. (Puckering your lips may be considered an overriding qualification for the job.)

Posted by: driley | January 31, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Jack Bauer.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | January 31, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe no one's mentioned Matthew McConaughey from We Are Marshall. So long as he stops talking with his mouth all sideways and gets rid of the 70's hairdo, he'd be golden. Especially if he coaches with his shirt off. And it would def be a melllllowwwww team.

It's the Hall of Shame until they let Monk in.

Do we have to take Mariucci? He looks like a used car salesman -- very Romney-esque.

I don't even want to think about GW in Dallas.


Posted by: kickinblonde | January 31, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe no one's mentioned Matthew McConaughey from We Are Marshall. So long as he stops talking with his mouth all sideways and gets rid of the 70's hairdo, he'd be golden. Especially if he coaches with his shirt off. And it would def be a melllllowwwww team.

It's the Hall of Shame until they let Monk in.

Do we have to take Mariucci? He looks like a used car salesman -- very Romney-esque.

I don't even want to think about GW in Dallas.


Posted by: kickinblonde | January 31, 2008 01:45 PM
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Randall "Pink" Floyd - Hey, you know Wooderson?

Wooderson - Hey.

Freshman - Nah, hey how's it going?

Wooderson - Hey man, you got a joint?......

Freshman - Nah, not on me man.

Wooderson - It'd be alot cooler if you did. hehe

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | January 31, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

You guys have what 43 second round picks next year?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 31, 2008 12:37 PM

Just two, so far!

Posted by: Redcoat | January 31, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Wooderson - Party at the Moon Tower.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | January 31, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

RC, really? Makes sense, now that I think about it, the Welker deal was for last year.

Who did you guys pick with that pick?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 31, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

CEJ...

Well, I won't be on your list next fall. For 2 reasons....they will not start 4-2 AND I really am done, I don't have the energy any longer. Its one thing to stick by a team you can believe in, but for me that simply is not the case here. I tried but the foundation is broken, what 6 coaches now?(2 HoFamers?). Cmon.

I was done before too...sold my tix after the sacking of Marty(btw, they have changed hands twice since--way to hold on to your fan base Danny), and even stopped watching them on TV during Spurrier reign.

The ONLY THING that got me back in fold was Gibbs. THAT was a stroke of genius by El Diablo but that was his one and only trump card...at least for me. Who is he gonna pull out of the hat now, Lombardi?

Posted by: peter.fraker | January 31, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Wooderson - That's what I love about these high school girls. I keep getting older, they stay the same age.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | January 31, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

CEJ...

Well, I won't be on your list next fall. For 2 reasons....they will not start 4-2 AND I really am done, I don't have the energy any longer. Its one thing to stick by a team you can believe in, but for me that simply is not the case here. I tried but the foundation is broken, what 6 coaches now?(2 HoFamers?). Cmon.

I was done before too...sold my tix after the sacking of Marty(btw, they have changed hands twice since--way to hold on to your fan base Danny), and even stopped watching them on TV during Spurrier reign.

The ONLY THING that got me back in fold was Gibbs. THAT was a stroke of genius by El Diablo but that was his one and only trump card...at least for me. Who is he gonna pull out of the hat now, Lombardi?

Posted by: peter.fraker | January 31, 2008 01:53 PM

OK Got it! So what your really trying to say summed up a bit shorter...your called a "Bandwagon" fan.....

Posted by: leevi98 | January 31, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

So if Mariucchi is a good coach why wasn't his name mentioned when all the other teams were looking for head coaches? I didn't hear his name at all. Same for Fassel. Goes to show you that The Danny and The Vinny have no idea what makes for a good football team. They only know what makes them more money and gets them more PR.

Posted by: tasaking | January 31, 2008 12:39 PM

I completely dis agree with you and any one who says Mooch is not agood coach...he is an excellent coach...Hell BILL WALSH sure thought so when he hired him....The Mooch was not mentioned in any coaching searches mainly because he had said up until last week he waas not interested in coaching...He thinks the Skins is a good fit for him....

The problem with most fans in here posting...Is there is not HUGE nam like Gibbs or parcells to be hired...Man this blog has really shown me how whiny and plain pathetic our fan base is....

Posted by: leevi98 | January 31, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm getting a migraine by all this head coach carousel. Snyder is interviewing everyone on the face of the earth. Geez! First it was Jim Fossil. Then they brought in Meeks. Now Mariucci? Who is next? John
Madden and Bill Walsh? How about some P.E
teachers @ Marshall High School. Maybe Joe Gibbs can coach 'em up a bit.


Posted by: livebig_22311 | January 30, 2008 07:20 PM

So I take it you would have rather Dan..hire the first guy through the door and hire qucikly without thinking long and hard about it...Limit your option and cross your fingers and hope for the best? Your kidding right?

Posted by: leevi98 | January 31, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

B E E P

Posted by: tafka | January 31, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Wooderson: Yeah, well, listen. You ought to ditch the two geeks you're in the car with now and get in with us. But that's all right, we'll worry about that later. I will see you there. All right?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | January 31, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

the more I read here the more I laugh...Damn I did not realize that the Skins fan base ignorant when it comes to football....It baffales me at some of the stuff Im reading....seems like some of you are just flat out never happy...when Gibbs was here bloggers were calling for his head...last season they were calling for Willaims head. last two seasons up until Collins came in everyone was calling for Saunders head..now they barely make the playoffs at 9-7 and everyone acts like we were so solid and a very great team who cannot live without Willaims Saunders or Gibbs...Freakin crack me up!

Posted by: leevi98 | January 31, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

That's why I like those High school Girls...I get older...they stay the same age.....yes they do...

Posted by: leevi98 | January 31, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

leevi, if it's any consolation, most of the stuff I read from you baffles me :)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 31, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

NateinthePDX,

Like what Nate? Adn I was not referring to you my friend

Posted by: leevi98 | January 31, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

NateinthePDX,

you have to agree that alot of posts in here are just baffling...

i never claim to always right but I tend to think with my head more than my heart....and just because I am happy and agree that Williams was not the HC for this team does make me dumb :)

Posted by: leevi98 | January 31, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Wooderson - "You got a coach man? Be a lot cooler if you did."

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 31, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Ah, anytime I see someone painting a group as diverse as this one in broad strokes -- everybody is wrong! what a bunch of idiots you are! you people aren't good fans! -- always rankles me.

I also have a problem with comments escalating into personal attacks, which has started happening with high frequency of late. Like, some people are clearly just coming here to pick fights.

Not that you have done either of these or are a worst offender type, but I do believe you've evinced some of this behavior... which is why I wanted to goose you a little bit up there. I tend to think the best of people until proven otherwise, and sometimes I hope a kind word might help keep the conversation going in a happy, healthy way up here.

Anyway it's not my blog, it's OUR blog, it's what we all decide to make of it. I am not trying to be a scold, or fall back into my Deputy Fife ways of old.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 31, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Can't we all just get along?

BTW - love the Wooderson stuff. Made my day.

Still think Mariucci looks like a used car salesman. I know that's no criteria for HC ...but then, I'm also against hiring Cowher cuz he looks like my former father-in-law. Seeing him on the sidelines during the games would be painful. Yuck.

Posted by: kickinblonde | January 31, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I would love it if we had a coach who looked like my father-in-law. The old guy is a character; he just looks like a rascal. Well, maybe an assistant coach.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 31, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

whoaooooh oo ooh,how bout chuck brown for coach,anything you want in the dc lottery

Posted by: DLESMonday | January 31, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Let's look at it for how it appears:

Fassel= fired from NY did make the super bowl once and playoffs a few tims, fired from the Ravens as OC... anemic offense...no staying power..re-tread

Spags= NYG making a run..defense seems to put together a few quarters of great football but not a complete game..we already have that with our team. great run in playoffs but we went up to NJ and put up 22pts in bad conditions with a back up QB in the heat of their playoff run and won that game when they really needed it..don't believe the hype

Mooch=great success with SF made playoffs quite often..won games in playoffs..fired from Det with no success (its Det he might get a pass)Has been in the booth for a couple of years coaching always looks easy from the booth. Was he a great coach in SF or was he playing with remaining good talent
Mcdaniels= OC of Pats on verge of winning 4th SB;offense and QB ratings have been great since he became QB coach in 2004 and OC in 2006;hard to please Bill Bchk trusts him to call the plays;comes from winning tradition;playoff experience,AFC championship exp;SB experience..Has no upside b/c he is making it happen now;In 2006+2007 since becoming OC and calling plays Pats have scored b/w 20-30 pts 13 times and > 30 pts 26 times;In 2006, the Pats did not have Moss, Welker,or Stallworth and still were very hard to stop...2007 Avg 41 ppg against NFC East; Imagine how may games the skins would win (assuming no defensive fall off) if we avg a mere 24 ppg. I hate to say it Skins fans but IT Is What It IS!!! Mcdaniels>Mooch>Fassel>Spags; I also think he would be a cheaper than the middle two since we are cutting costs after letting go AS and GW..Good Luck GW and AS wishing you nothing but the best!!!!

Posted by: jatwater2 | January 31, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

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