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The Larry Strikes Again

Larry, Danny's main man, wanted to refute some of the comments about his rah-rah, Snyder guest blog from Tuesday.
So here it is. Should clear up any questions:

1) I'm not Tom Cruise

2) Everyon likes to criticize the front office structure. The Patriots have the same front office structure. They don't have a GM, Bellichek has final say on personnel and they get rid of more core players then we do. There are two differences: 1) They value the draft 2) Bellichek has done a much better coaching job.

3) If I told you 3 years ago that we had the chance to bring back gibbs as coach, but he would be in charge of personnel, how many fans would say they wouldn't want Gibbs back?....hindsight is 20/20, but 99% would have said yes to that scenario.

4) Is it Snyder's fault the Redskins are 13-18 in games decided by 7 poins or less the past 3 years?

5) Gibbs part one was known for a master at halftime adjustments...in our 11 losses this year, the skins were outscored 143-77....is that snyder's fault?

6) Is the poor playcalling, game management and clock management snyder's fault?.....that has nothing to do with not having a GM.

7) for all of you crucifying Snyder, you deserve to have bill bidwell or william ford as your owner.

8) Had coach Gibbs been the same coach he was in the 80's, the skins would have made the playoffs the past 3 years and nobody would be talking about our "organizational structure"....PERIOD!!!!

Larry

By Jason La Canfora  |  January 10, 2007; 7:00 AM ET
 
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JLC are sure Larry isn't Vinny? lol

Posted by: jm220 | January 10, 2007 7:11 AM | Report abuse

Is this Larry Michael?

The difference between the core players New England gets rid of and the core players the Redskins get rid of is that New England's player are usually on the down side of their prime or past it. The free agents they bring in are bargains. They don't overpay for average players. Their owner does not intervene in contract negotiations and they tend to part with their players amicably.

I dont think Robert Kraft ever sent a player a plasma screen tv to watch games that he won't be playing in.

Posted by: Turd Fergusson | January 10, 2007 7:11 AM | Report abuse

First it was Tom Cruise now it's Larry Michael. Can't wait to read Vinny Cerrato's post tomorrow...

Posted by: John | January 10, 2007 7:41 AM | Report abuse

The difference btwn WAS and NE is the VPs of Player Personnel. One is essentially a GM, but who really works for the coach. The other is essentially a head scout, but who really works for the owner.

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2007 7:41 AM | Report abuse

Hey bubba lay off the illegal drugs. Those magic Deadskin mushrooms are illegal.
And stop licking those stamps for Danny Boy. You cant recapture the magic times change. Gibbs was lucky the first time around he had above average players, a legendary owner and a great gm and coaching staff. Now he has an owner that sucks that cant even sniff the Squires jock, a coaching staff who thinks with their smaller brains while the Cialis kicks in, a GM ie Gibbs who is a moron and players that dont care about winning just the paycheck. Your boy Danny Boy Larry will go down as one of the worst NFL owners ever. Worse than Bidwell or Ford.
I am sure Mrs Danny Boy would have rather spent a romantic evening with JKC in his eighties than Danny Boy in his prime! Now Larry dont you have to get the dungeon ready for Tomkat's visit. Hoopefully Tomkat and Danny wont leave marks like the last time.

BTW I miss Lindsay Czarniak's interviews of Gibbs and Buggs. She always ahd these two old guys pressing the wrinkles out of their Dockers. George and Sonny never had the same effect. Something you probably have no interest in Larry.

Posted by: vaherder | January 10, 2007 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Touchy, touchy...

I did say then, again no proof except my boys who heard me say it, that, as much as I love Joe Gibbs, that his return would be a mistake for him and the franchise. I still hope that I'm wrong about this and at the end of last season was willing to admit that I was, but to see this season unfold the way it did was crushing for those hopes.

Here's the other thing, whether or not the football decisions were Joe's or Danny's they were of the same type that has been made since Danny came here; overpaid bad fits, the type amde by an owner with too much influence and a coach with no GM/VP that isn't a siccophant named Vinny.

And the end game of this argument, if you want to blame it all on Gibbs, is that Danny is the one that brought Gibbs back AND gave him control of personnel.

Posted by: evan | January 10, 2007 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Larry = Tom Cruise

Posted by: Dorf | January 10, 2007 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Seriously though, Larry makes some interesting points and we all turn on him like he's got some kind of agenda other than being a fan of the Skins.

Larry, I respect you as a blogger and although I don't agree with you on some issues, I acknowledge your opinions and accept you in this realm of discussion. If there's one thing I learned this year on the blog (insert Full House music here) its that you can't take things personally... I mean look at Boofer, we talk about how he lives in his mom's trailer and has a 3rd grade reading level and the guy has been surprisingly quiet for some time now... wait, its because his team hasn't won a playoff game in a decade and his savior Romo just pulled a Ray Finkle.... anyway, Larry, even if you are Tom Cruise, or Vinny, or if you live on a steady diet of government cheese in a van down by the river and guest blog from the local library, you're welcomed here and can always blog your Snyder loving guts out any time you wish.

Group Hug.

Posted by: Dorf | January 10, 2007 8:59 AM | Report abuse

vaherder, please direct your personal attacks to Larry and lay off Bubba. Bubba Tyer is the corest Skin there is.

Sonny for GM.

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2007 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Dorf = Sallie Mae

*hugs*

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2007 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Tom Cruise+Dan Snyder= Damn Scruiseyou

Posted by: evan | January 10, 2007 9:01 AM | Report abuse

1. We can't be sure.

2.Scott Peoli's bio:

"As vice president of player personnel, Pioli's responsibilities include overseeing the college draft and free agency, as well as serving as the Patriots' primary contract negotiator"

If it's setup the same then your saying Vinny Raquetballs is Scott Peoli?

3. Yes, I would have accepted it. However I also would have told you that Madden 2003 was the best game out there. Now it's Madden 2007. I reserve the right to say it's Madden 2008 next year.

4. Yes, it's Snyders fault. Win's are wins and losses are losses. Ultimately he will be the only constant in this organization over the next 30 years and he will be graded on wins and losses.

5. Please see 4.

6. Please see 4.

7. Faulty thinking. Two wrongs don't make a right. If he was the Rooney's or the Krafts I'd be much happier.

8. If my aunt had b@lls she'd be my uncle.

Gibbs isn't the same coach because he's the Coach, President and GM. I'm not saying everything is Danny's fault.

What I'm saying is this culture of constant change, disregard for current players and infatuation with playing Fantasy Football didn't exist during Gibbs 1. It did exist pre Gibbs 2 with the exeption of one year. The year Martyball came to town and got rid of Danny's racquetball partner. For winning 8 games he was fired. Is that Gibbs fault?

Danny is saying he's got nothing to do with the team and Gibbs is tephlon Don and and willing to fall on the sword. Now none of us can prove Danny is meddling but absence of proof is not proof of absence.

Posted by: Skinz | January 10, 2007 9:02 AM | Report abuse

I'm only half joking about Sonny as GM. He and Madden are the only two announcers who call plays like they see them (and correctly so), are willing to go against the grain of Big Media-like chatter about players, and sound informed/reasonable. These guys are the GMs for fans' eyes/ears. Skeptical buyers.

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2007 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Skinz, on your #8, does this change things with your original uncle (not that there's anything wrong with that!).

Larry, on #4, maybe you're right ... maybe its not Mr. $nyder's fault ... I blame John Hall.

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2007 9:08 AM | Report abuse

We need some kind of change in the FO - probably just replacing Vinny with someone who really has a clue. That being said, if we bring in a GM (not likely) and the team still sucks, everyone will be calling for his head before the season is over.

I'm been listening to (and watching) too much sports talk but one thing I keep hearing over and over from former Redskins players (from the Gibbs 1 era) is that they never thought they would lose ANY game. They were always confident in the game plan and themselves.

Bring back the old days....

Posted by: Lisa | January 10, 2007 9:11 AM | Report abuse

The sound you hear is the dead horse being beat over and over and over again. We need new conversation fodder...I'm hoping JLaC's comparison between the Ravens and 'Skins organizations does the trick. Given that the article itself will likely need to be edited for space for the print edition, I'd love to see the background info on the blog...

Until then, I think most of us have made our points ad nauseum already...

BTW, we're close to 100 hours away from the "24" season premiere. Hold on to your butts...

Posted by: P Diddy | January 10, 2007 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Larry you need to shove it. You are talking to the wrong people, the wrong way. We pay your paycheck last time I checked and whether right or wrong, we are right because we are the fans. If we want to crucify Danny Boy, he will be crucified but know that any owner of a losing team will have to take a little bit of heat at some time. Not all of the blame was placed on Danny Boy but if you want us to focus on him we can make you reading blogs a living hell. Awesome job Skinz, love the listings!

Posted by: Tweedr01 | January 10, 2007 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Last I checked they aren't overpaying players in New England in such the way as we have done with, oh, let's see...Archuleta (four times more than the next suitor, the Bears, were offering), Brandon Lloyd, Mark Brunell, Randle El, Andre Carter, Trung Canidate, L.Coles, Jeremiah Trotter, Bruce Smith, Neon Deion...please stop me.
Further, New England doesn't covet every other teams players the way we do, and they certainly don't toss in extra draft picks on trades. They draft well in the later rounds and always ensure they have a full complement of picks, thereby minimizing their mistaken picks and developing those that make the team to eventually replace players that leave via free agency for big bucks.
Absolutely no comparison from the Pats to the Skins. Unless you think Vinny C = Scott P. Like to see how you spin that one.

Posted by: CTSkinz | January 10, 2007 9:31 AM | Report abuse

He is right on about half of it, to be honest.

BTW, So Czabe talks about the Brunell suprise injury/surgery this morn on his NAtional Radio Show. He mentions how this all was announced 2 Days AFTER Gibbs stopped doing his round of podium interviews. He was wondering if Gibbs was in cohots with Brunell not to mention it at all or if Brunell was just hiding it? Now Brunell is out 5/6 months and no one can ask any questions (from the local media).

He also mentioned that it seems that they might have changed the game plan during the season because they didn't want him to worsen his injury by throwing the ball deep. Thus, you get dink and dunk.

Discuss...........

Posted by: 4th Floor | January 10, 2007 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, ask Deion Branch, Ty Law and many others how amicable their split with the pats was. Winning solves everything. When the skins can consistently win, they can have whatever setup they want and nobody will care.

Posted by: WrongDog | January 10, 2007 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Larry, Larry, Larry.

Its all about the QB.

I live in New England and have seen first hand how the Patriots operate. While you are right the structure is the same there is one element that changes whole dynamic of this comparison, its Tom Brady.

I have said this before on posts, that Pats were viewed a whole lot differently, before Bledsoes injury and Brady's insertion in the line up.This was a team in termoil off the Pete Carroll years and 5-11 in year 1 of Bellicik. The were stuggling early in that season, behind against the jets in that fateful game and in an instant that all changed. Brady's play leadership etc etc etc etc made them a winner. Once they became a winner they were in a position to do other things to help their team through the draft and free agency. They have done smart things, But you can't tell me that if Drew Bledsoe is still their QB that all those moves make them a 3 time superbowl winner. Quite the contrary, I tell you what happens, if bledsoe doesn't get hurt they are 6-10, 7-9 something like that, Bellicick who was already under intense pressure gets fired and the franchise continues to be scrutinized by the New England Press, which was exactly what was happening before Brady's entry.The Pats were pretty dysfunctional, ownership was being second guessed at every turn.Brady changed that on the field and off.They went from turmoil to control in one offseason and now they have the upperhand (management) can cleary negotiate with both players and free agents on their terms, players either fall in line or are sent packing ( Ty Law,Lawyer Malloy) Free agents sign for less because they know they have a chance to win.

We now have Jason Campbell. I am not saying for one nano second he is Tom Brady, lets make that clear. What I am saying is we have a young, tall atheltic QB, who also appears to have the intangibles to lead, stay calm under pressure and generally handle himself in away that make his teamates want to play well for him. We haven't had that in this franchise in a long long time.

It starts there, the other things we need can be fixed. Again, for now I am just talking about being a respectible playoff contending team. Championship calibur not so much. That will take alot more.

We have Good Coaches. We have found an Idenity on offense. We play solid special teams, we don't turn it over much. We can run the ball.Thats a pretty good start with a young QB who has upside.The defense can be fixed,and if Campbell continues to develope we view this thing more as the beggining of a new era as oposed to the continuation of a totally dysfunctional organization.

Posted by: Old School | January 10, 2007 9:37 AM | Report abuse

OMG!!!! LARRY! you BAMF! if you wanted to "REFUTE" why didn't you do so in the comments section. you really want me to pay attention to you? so here it is:

1) I don't give a fukc!

2) the difference between NE and Was? 3 fcuking Superbowls you MORON!!! that's why no one criticizes their front office or their structure!

3) I for one CRINGED at that notion!

4) Yes, cuz he and mini-me put that team out there that can't closeout games! and gibbs is wrong when he says "it's all on me" cuz Snyder was the idiot that gave him all the control.

5) Then Fire GIBBS! who the FcuK you gonna bring that's going to work with this f-ing dysfunctional FO to produce a winner? Nick Saban? Steve Spurrier? Bill Bellichoke? WTF!

6) Yes, it does you F-ing moron! HE HAS the power to say "NO" or "F NO!" to gibbs when it comes to hiring his cronies and paying millions and millions of dollars. and if he can't then he needs to HIRE SOMEONE WHO CAN!!!

7) WE ARE THE F-ing REASON that snyder can f-ing line his pocket with money. WE, the FANS, CREATED a rich owner you dumb ass!!! look at f-ing jack kent cooke! What other big city has a bidwell like owner you idiot? NAME ONE!

8) HE IS THE SAME COACH YOU FCUK! but with gazillion different roles and control that snyder GAVE UP!!! HE NEEDS TO HIRE SOMEONE WHO CAN SO NO TO COACHES!!!! PERIOD!

ps...i see nothing wrong with mr. snyder's business acumen. the only problem i have(actually two) his him fleecing the people who go to games. that's it. nothing else. and the fact that he has no football knowledge or luck to hire a football person to help him with his skins. truely sad actually cuz the guy wants to win so badly.

now please, if you'd like to respond to any criticism do so here! like a human being like i just did. :)

Posted by: dealer | January 10, 2007 9:43 AM | Report abuse

WrongDog,

You are comparing a guy who wants just above minimum wage and is an FA to a guy who was holding out of training camp with a year left on his contract? Sorry just not analogous.

Posted by: Skinz | January 10, 2007 9:44 AM | Report abuse

4th Floor, I think Brunell was hiding. He did the same thing last year. Whether this is the 'character' that Gibbs likes, or the stubborness that my 2 year old displays, it says "not a team player" to me. A torn labrum in his throwing arm? Please. That's just selfish to hide it given what it costs the team. This will be the excuse to keep him ... that the dink and dunk wasn't Saunders' fault, it was Brunell's torn labrum's fault (with discussion of Brunell's decision to hide completely avoided). [Also, I'm a little pissed about Springs doing the same thing ... waiting till the preseason to come forward and admit he had a MUSCLE PULL ITSELF OFF HIS PELVIS! How do you not notice that when you walk?]

Larry, I accept what you have to say ... but if you blog post something that comes to the same defense of the VP of Player Personnel, I'm going to have a problem.

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2007 9:45 AM | Report abuse

and good morning to you!

diddy, you think what i did to that horse is considered illegal in some states?

Posted by: dealer | January 10, 2007 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Nothing is illegal in Texas. Thus, Boofer.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 10, 2007 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I'd think that someone who reads other parts of the WaPo (looking at you, P.Diddy) would keep us up on BREAKING NEWS, like this from yesterday's Style section:
___________

LOVE, ETC.

Dating: Jason Campbell and Mercedes Lindsay. The Redskins quarterback and the newly crowned Miss District of Columbia USA 2007 were one of the cutest couples at the mayor's inaugural bash. That's one completed pass in the off-season.

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2007 9:56 AM | Report abuse

i think even texas might have a problem with "that".

btw, you guys rember the guy who screwed a horse carcas? he got arrested and during trial his lawyer said that the horse stopped being an animal when he died...i forgot what the verdict was though...

what you doing up so early?

Posted by: dealer | January 10, 2007 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Tiiiight

Can I get a pic of Ms. DC?

Posted by: 4th | January 10, 2007 10:08 AM | Report abuse

One this is true: winning cures everything. Last year at this time, nobody was cursing about Pierce. Nobody was cursing about Champ. Nobody was cursing about the front office structure (okay, maybe we were cursing Vinny, but that's nothing new). Nobody was cursing about Grilliams being too tough.

Winning is a sweet elixir.

Posted by: CMoney | January 10, 2007 10:12 AM | Report abuse

1) I'm not Tom Cruise

Yeah, you're telling me.

2) Everyon likes to criticize the front office structure. The Patriots have the same front office structure. They don't have a GM, Bellichek has final say on personnel and they get rid of more core players then we do. There are two differences: 1) They value the draft 2) Bellichek has done a much better coaching job.

The Pats and Eagles are pretty much the only teams without traditional GMs so they're the exception, not the rule. Also both place extremely high value on the draft, and that makes all the difference in the world, as the team records show.

3) If I told you 3 years ago that we had the chance to bring back gibbs as coach, but he would be in charge of personnel, how many fans would say they wouldn't want Gibbs back?....hindsight is 20/20, but 99% would have said yes to that scenario.

This is very true but this doesn't mean Gibbs is a good G.M. It just means he's better than The Danny. Gibbs has tried and failed, the right thing to do is bring someone else in to be G.M.

4) Is it Snyder's fault the Redskins are 13-18 in games decided by 7 poins or less the past 3 years?

A majority of NFL games are decided by 7 points or less, that's what differentiates the playoff teams from the the non-playoff teams. Hence, we're sitting at home right now.

5) Gibbs part one was known for a master at halftime adjustments...in our 11 losses this year, the skins were outscored 143-77....is that snyder's fault?

No argument here.

6) Is the poor playcalling, game management and clock management snyder's fault?.....that has nothing to do with not having a GM.

No argument here, however these are minor problems when compared to our personnel and front office woes.

7) for all of you crucifying Snyder, you deserve to have bill bidwell or william ford as your owner.

No one would argue that Snyder is worse than those losers, but that doesn't exactly mean Snyder's doing a good job, does it?

8) Had coach Gibbs been the same coach he was in the 80's, the skins would have made the playoffs the past 3 years and nobody would be talking about our "organizational structure"....PERIOD!!!!

By "been the same coach" do you mean "coach for a hands-off owner who knows how to hire the right GM?"

Posted by: Clinton Hill | January 10, 2007 10:14 AM | Report abuse

DALLAS COWBOYS HAVE MORE PLAYOFF APPEARANCES AND SUPER BOWL TITLES THAN SKINIS!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

DALLAS COWBOYS AND JERRY JONES HAVE NEW, BEST STADIUM IN NFL OPENING SOON WHICH WILL HOST MANY SUPER BOWLS DOWN THE ROAD. CAN THE SAME BE SAID FOR DANNY-BOY'S FEDEX? HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

FINALLY, OVER ALL RECORD OF DALLAS COWBOYS VS. WASHINGTON REDSKINS: DALLAS 55 WINS, WASHINGOTN 36 WINS, 2 TIES. TAKE THAT SKINI FANS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | January 10, 2007 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Dealer..wow...you are cranky this morning!

4th Floor: Why do we keep listening to ANYTHING that idiot Czabe has to say? He just wants to start something. Personally, I feel it was Brunell holding back and that Gibbs was not aware of the injury (or the extent of it)

Posted by: Lisa | January 10, 2007 10:25 AM | Report abuse

dealer,

Not that I disagree, but wow...

I think the point of posting in the guest blog column again was to address all of the myriad criticisms. Plus, that's really up to the guy who owns this blog.

And what's with all the personal stuff.

I don't agree with Larry but I don't feel the need to flame him like that.

We do need more group hugs... and emoticons ;) oh and IM abbreviations, too those rock.

Posted by: evan | January 10, 2007 10:25 AM | Report abuse

dealer,

Not that I disagree, but wow...

I think the point of posting in the guest blog column again was to address all of the myriad criticisms. Plus, that's really up to the guy who owns this blog.

And what's with all the personal stuff.

I don't agree with Larry but I don't feel the need to flame him like that.

We do need more group hugs... and emoticons ;) oh and IM abbreviations, too those rock.

Posted by: evan | January 10, 2007 10:26 AM | Report abuse

sorry for the double this cpu sucks!

Posted by: evan | January 10, 2007 10:28 AM | Report abuse

4th --

One thing I agree with is that the fans deserve to know exactly who knew what and when about Boonell's injury. We're not talking about turf toe here. We're talking about a torn muscle in his THROWING SHOULDER.

Brunell, Gibbs....you've got some 'splaining to do.

Posted by: CMoney | January 10, 2007 10:31 AM | Report abuse

evan, lisa, sorry but that was the only way i could've beaten an already beaten-dead-horse.

i hope larry doesn't take it personal and if he does then i will to for the fact that he doesn't read our crap, cuz if he had then those points have been addressed over and over by us, jason, 980. but he forces us to read his. AND he called me/us sheep in his first post by saying that we're "brainwashed"! F- him! i'm the biggest "moulder" there is you #$#@! :)

the other dude mr. chile was short and sweet. he may've been totally wrong by some of your opinions but it was refreshing.

Posted by: dealer | January 10, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Skinz, not what I meant man. I was just responding to Turd Ferg who said that the pats split amicably with their players, and pointing out they don't always split amicably. I want a GM, all skins fans want a gm, right? I'm just saying that you can have any set up you want if you win--then it becomes a model.

I don't blame snyder for this year's disaster.

Posted by: WrongDog | January 10, 2007 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Larry,

1) You write: "Had coach Gibbs been the same coach he was in the 80's, the skins would have made the playoffs the past 3 years and nobody would be talking about our "organizational structure"....PERIOD!!!!"

But the problem with Gibbs when he first came back in 2004 was that he and his assistants WERE the same coaches that left in 1993. They ran the same offense in 2004 that they ran in 1993, and it was way out of place. Jon Jansen said so at the time. Reread the Tom Friend article; it notes G. Williams' disdain for the outdated Gibbs offensive approach in 2004.

Gibbs adjusted in 2005. Then, after a taste of playoff success, READJUSTED AGAIN by adding a completely new offense. A different office structure, with someone in a position to question Gibbs' moves, would definitely have tempered that approach. Would it have saved the 2006 season? Who knows.

2)You write: "Everyon [sic] likes to criticize the front office structure. The Patriots have the same front office structure. They don't have a GM, Bellichek has final say on personnel and they get rid of more core players then we do. There are two differences: 1) They value the draft 2) Bellichek has done a much better coaching job."

This is true IN NAME ONLY. Scott Pioli of the Patriots has basically the same title as Vinny Cerrato - vice president of personnel - but his actual working relationships and level of responsibility are not the same. Pioli and Belichick have a very close working relationship, and Pioli is valued around the league as GM material, as evidenced by the Giants' recent pursuit of him to fill their GM position.

Cerrato is Snyder's man. He does not have the same working relationship with Gibbs as Pioli does with Belichick. He is also not valued around the league as having GM-level expertise.

Now, the point is: IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT YOU CALL THE POSITION (VP of Personnel or GM). It is important that you have someone who is one of the best at what they do, and it is important that this person is able to "push back" against the coach when deciding on personnel (or coaches, or coaching systems). In Pioli's case, he has a strong working relationship with Patriot coaches because of his relationship with Belichick, rather than by the traditional institutional design of the GM - Owner - Head Coach system. Fine. Who knows what the Patriots will do after they leave, but fine for now, it works.

The people doing player personnel now at the Redskins - Gibbs, to a lesser extent G. Williams, and to an even lesser extent Cerrato - did a VERY POOR JOB OF PLAYER ACQUISITION this year. See Duckett; B. Lloyd; A. Archuletta; and so on. The effects of these desicions are more than just getting the wrong players; the use of draft picks to get Duckett and Lloyd have jeopardized the ability of the 'Skins to build for the future. This player acquisition system - including the philosophy of using the future to try and win immediately - has to be fixed before the Redskins can win consistently.

Last, a GM-type position, with a well qualified person filling it, would ensure a measure of consistency in the organization after Gibbs leaves.

Altogether, these are some of the main reasons so many people are calling for a different front office organization.

For more on the Pioli-Belichick working relationship, see this article here:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/2005draft/2005-04-21-patriots-draft_x.htm

Posted by: Rennypolis | January 10, 2007 10:59 AM | Report abuse

dealer,

It's cool. Ulitmately, you're right and he's wrong. Especially about the dead horse thing.

I'm somewhat guilty there.

But isn't that what blogs are all about?

Posted by: evan | January 10, 2007 11:00 AM | Report abuse

To put a fine point on it, I want an Ozzie Newsome-like GM. Skeptical buyer. Former Pro-Bowler. Independent, internal scouting program. Talks to Big Media off-the-record on the phone, not in front of the cameras. Respected by and respectful of the players.

I agree with someone's response to Larry's Guest Blog, Part I. Meet us halfway and buy an internal scouting operation (rather than buy into the league wide scouting system). I'm a little bored by the scouting combine (except that I would love it if JaMarcus Russell (LSU) beat Brady Quinn (NBC's America's Team), or better yet, BBM, on the Wonderlic test).

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2007 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Well said Larry. I agree with much of what you've said, and I completely agree that fans need to stop complaining about Danny. Where I disagree is with your view that Gibbs can't get the job done -- if he just focused on coaching like he did in his first term with the team, I think he'd be fielding a consistent winner (look at what he did last year with average talent while juggling all of his current responsibilities?).

Posted by: Kevin | January 10, 2007 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I don't blame snyder for this year's disaster.

wrongdog, when did blaming a CEO for a company's continuing failure become a sin?

how is this year not snyder's doing? he still signs gibbs, cerrato's, double G's and all of his players checks right?

who setup this FO? who selected the FO? who's responsible for selecting the players and coaches? gibbs is being condescending by saying "blame me". no, i want to blame the person who was stupid enough to not say "No" to you when you asked for "FULL" control! THEN and only THEN i'm going to blame you, mr. el presidente.

and this whole: "winning cures all". yes, it does. and skins haven't won for 15 years. there's been god knows how many coaches, assistants, players but there's only been one constant. and that's Mr. Snyder.

so if you keep changing the one ingredient in recipe and it still tastes like poop then you're pretty stupid for not changing the other ingredients and you deserve to eat poop.

Posted by: dealer | January 10, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Lisa - I was just opening up as a disscussion. I like to listen to Czabe (to disagree with him mostly) sometimes and atleast he is passionatte.

I am where CMoney is. Who knew what, and when did they know it. Gibbs may have known and kept from us because he know we would have out a hit out on his boy. Why have played Todd or JC earlier?

Posted by: 4th Floor | January 10, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

one ingredient he keeps changing is coaches and players...the one he isn't changing is cerrato and himself...

Posted by: dealer | January 10, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I hear ya Wrong. I think their dealing Branch further illustrates what the Patriots do right and the Skins do wrong.

Patriots don't panic and hold players accountable to their contracts and fine them for not showing up. As a result they got a 1st round pick for Branch and are 12-4 because of depth created by drafting.

Skins pay a 3rd and 4th round pick for a locker room cancer with a year left on his contract. They redo his contract giving him Top 10 money WR money and goes out and can't catch a cold.

Posted by: Skinz | January 10, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

4th, I'm with you bro. I heard Czabe this morning and was a little intrigued. I realize that he is the ultimate conspiracy theorist, but the timing of Brunell's injury is interesting, as is the timing of the announcement, when Gibbs doesn't have to do any more pressers.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | January 10, 2007 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Skinz, you forgot that, even though the Pats faced a HUGE risk of uncertainty letting Branch leave (not only in his production and chemistry with Brady, but also the risk about Brady being steamed himself), they didn't need to panic b/c of the depth they had been building at WR.

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I actually could not agree more with Larry Cruise. The days of Snyder making personel moves (Deion and Bruce Smith) are over. He now goes and gets who the coaches want. We're a lot better of with him than we are with a lot of the other guys out there. Obviously, things haven't gone well under his regime but Larry pointed out how you cannot really blame Snyder for much of the in-game shabingi.

I'm not a Danny fan by any means but we need to recognize how good we have it compared to some of the other chooches out there.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | January 10, 2007 11:22 AM | Report abuse

they didn't need to panic b/c of the depth they had been building at WR with "cheap and available gators".

Posted by: dealer | January 10, 2007 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know anything about Alan Branch, the Michigan DT? I want knowledge on this man from someone ASAP.

Posted by: The Governor | January 10, 2007 11:25 AM | Report abuse

and we want a pic of Miss District of Columbia USA 2007, Mercedes Lindsay?

Posted by: dealer | January 10, 2007 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I checked everywhere. Wikipedia, Miss DC website, and Miss USA website. No Freakin pic......

Posted by: 4th | January 10, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse


The objective for Datish on Saturday is to find a way to slow down and contain Michigan's Alan Branch, the nation's most dominant defensive tackle. Branch has taken his game to another level this year and should be a Top 10 pick in the draft.

Best Article is here:

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2007/prospects/alan_branch.html

Posted by: Skinz, Special Asst. to the Gov. | January 10, 2007 11:39 AM | Report abuse

He's 6'6' 330. Sounds like a 3-4 team would love to get their hands on this guy.

Posted by: Skinz | January 10, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Skinz, you are very right about how it illustrates the differences between the orgs. But going back to an earlier post, the difference at qb can't be overlooked. The skins seemed to be a WR away from making a nfc championship game last year and were struggling to find a good one to add to the mix. The pats have brady and can basically plug in any WR and still be successful. Something tells me if we had brady on the team, we wouldn't have had to be as worried about it as we were. I truly believe that if JC can be our franchise QB for the next 10-15 years, a lot of these problems will work themselves out.

Posted by: WrongDog | January 10, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

This sight is good. Doens't have a breakdown of Branch but has one of the dude from Louisville as well as other positions. Enjoy:

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/rankings/dt.html

Posted by: Skinz, dropper of knowledge and I went to college. | January 10, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Yes, this is "The Larry" as J-LAC would put it....Let me refute/rebut a few more things:

1) I an assure you i'm not Larry michael, tom cruise or Vinny...I'm just a die hard skins fan from NYC.

2) I don't support Vinny...he's irrelevant. This is joe gibbs show and everyone is along for the ride...including snyder.

3) I never said Gibbs is incapable of getting the job done...But so far, he hasn't gotten it done.

4) some questioned snyder for controlling the media...if i was him I'd do the same thing considering how often the media has misrepresented him and the team....as an example, how often have we heard that this team was going to be in cap hell?...we're still waiting for it to happen.

5) i don't take offense to people ripping me...i'm not that sensitive.

Posted by: Larry | January 10, 2007 11:50 AM | Report abuse

The interior of the Redskins defensive line is in such shambles that they've been forced to start Kedric Golston, a rookie 6th round pick, alongside Cornelius Griffin. Needless to say an infusion of talent in the middle sure wouldn't hurt and to land the top defensive tackle on the board here would be a coup. A massive presence at 6-6 and 331 lbs., Alan Branch is a great all-around player who will remind you of John Henderson and he could be the impact defensive lineman the Redskins have been searching for. Only a junior, Branch has emerged as one of the best prospects in the college game this year and will go very high should he decide to go pro early.

Posted by: Skinz, man I'm good. | January 10, 2007 11:51 AM | Report abuse

While I agree that we should not blame Snyder for the money spent on players, etc. (he was just giving Gibbs & Co what they want)now is the time for him to put a stop to it. As Riggins stated the other day, Snyder has to now stand up to Gibbs, Williams, etc. and put his foot down if they want to flagrantly spend more $$$. He has to learn to say NO.

Posted by: Lisa | January 10, 2007 11:53 AM | Report abuse

The interior of the Redskins defensive line is in such shambles that they've been forced to start Kedric Golston, a rookie 6th round pick, alongside Cornelius Griffin. Needless to say an infusion of talent in the middle sure wouldn't hurt and to land the top defensive tackle on the board here would be a coup. A massive presence at 6-6 and 331 lbs., Alan Branch is a great all-around player who will remind you of John Henderson and he could be the impact defensive lineman the Redskins have been searching for. Only a junior, Branch has emerged as one of the best prospects in the college game this year and will go very high should he decide to go pro early.

Comes from their mock draft.

Posted by: Skinz | January 10, 2007 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Skinz and others

let me chime in on the whole Pats Deion Branch thing.

The Patriots totally misjudged the whole situation with Branch. They told him go find anyone willing to give you what you are asking for (smuglly thinking he would find no takers) much to their surprise there not one but two teams willing to make the deal and give branch what he sought. They handled it very arrogantly and when it came apart and the player (branch) won, they were tottally and woefully unprepared. forcing them to deal for the raiders Doug Gabriel, who they then released after 12 games. They caught tremendous heat for most of the season because of a lack of production from their wr's. The really have a bunch of srubbs, but Brady (the comsumate Pro)never complained and has steadily worked with this group and now they are begining to produce at exaclty the right time and by the way they still went 12-4.

Just reinforces my earlier point about having a franchise QB. That building block alone alters both the perception and reality of where you are headed as franchise. New Enland took plenty of heat for this and ty Law and Lawyer malloy and mcginist and other things as well, but the media and fans know as long as they have Brady they will win and contend.

Posted by: Old School | January 10, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

dealer, blaming a CEO for a company's failure is not a sin at all. But is snyder really a ceo? No, he's the owner. Gibbs is the CEO, and for the money snyder is paying these coaches, why would we hold him responsible? snyder is an owner, not a football guy. He brought in Gibbs as the ceo. He pays assistant coaches what some HCs don't make. He turns over the operation to them. They struggle in year one, and win a playoff game in year 2. Then the ceo decides to bring in a new coach and the defense collapses and things fall apart this year--based on what the ceo and coaches who were successful the year before think is best. Why, just b/c he sings their checks, is this Snyder's fault??? Can't you give them more time to see what they can accomplish? you sound like the snyder of old making rash decisions and firing people after one year. If they had not had success last year and had 3 straight years of failure, sure, I see your point. But they had success and made the playoffs and even won in the playoffs (unlike the cowgirls since 96). Maybe we simply took a step back in 06 so that we can take a step forward in 07? I just think patience is required b/c if there is one thing that gibbs has proven, it's that he wins.

Posted by: WrrongDog | January 10, 2007 11:56 AM | Report abuse

The problem with the skins since Snyder took over and for awhile after Mr. Cook past has been the lack of effective management. In this regard Snyder is the one to be held accountable. As one who has been vocally critical of Gibbs, Snyder does not get all the blame cited. Their play on the field is Gibbs responsibility and he has been getting passes. The disarray after Cook passed was understandable, but the front office seems to be stuck in that dysfunctional state. Snyder has been inconsistent and very erratic in his running of the team. Four coaches in however many years, with 4 divergent philosophies. He apparently makes decisions without regard to cause and effect, nor impact analysis. On a pure football perspective that is my issue, the poor management of the organization is my issue. Add in the price gouging and his apparent desire to simply grow richer, my feeling grow worse.

Posted by: RobGreg | January 10, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Skinz is my boy. Thank you Skinz.

Posted by: The Governor | January 10, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Oldschool,

Brady did complain.

Why is it arragant to say honor your contract?

How did Branch win? The Pats are 12-4 got a first round pick and in the playoffs.

They understand (something the skins don't) that once you allow one player to dictate when he needs a raise then how do you turn down another. It wasn't arrogance, it was shrewd biz and personell decisions on their part.

Posted by: Skinz | January 10, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

For those hoping Alan Branch stays at Michigan, don't hold your breath. As of Wednesday afternoon, a person in the U-M registrar's office said Branch was not enrolled for this semester's classes, which begin today.

That is from last wednesday.

Posted by: WrongDog | January 10, 2007 12:05 PM | Report abuse

There is no way that this Larry is Larry Michael. How do I know? First off, this Larry insinuated that it is Gibbs' fault that the team has performed poorly. Larry Michael woud've blamed the bad performances on injuries, weather, and unfortunate and often bad luck. Second off, if this was Larry Michael, he would have mentioned "Redskins.com TV" or new Redskins merchandise about 10 times throughout the article. And plus, you could probably smell the sulfer through your computer if it was Michael. God, I miss Frank Herzog!! Maybe it is all Larry Michael's fault that we are losing! Hmmmmm

Posted by: Macaca Johnson | January 10, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: CMoney | January 10, 2007 12:23 PM | Report abuse

thanks cmoney! you da google! not my cup of tea....like the one on the right much better.

Posted by: dealer | January 10, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

DO IT NOW CHLOE!!!

Posted by: Jack Bauer | January 10, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I wish I was Jack Bauer... Jack Bauer gets results

Larry, so you're saying you don't want a group hug? Up here, we group hug.

Sounds like Dealer needs to be apart of this group hug too

Posted by: Dorf | January 10, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Skinz

Point well taken. I actually sided with them for the same reasons. But they were arrogant because they felt confident that no one would meet their trade demands and he would come back tail between legs. They really had no other options, the reciever they drafted in round one last year chad jackson is looking like bust and the rest are just scubbs. They really needed and wanted to keep Branch. Brady never complained, he just went to work.

Posted by: Old School | January 10, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Branch got paid and he is in the second round too.

Posted by: Old School | January 10, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

About taking a DLineman, don't you all think that if Griffin comes back healthy and Goldston is actually the solid guy he seems to be that DEnd or DBack might be a better draft choice?

I didn't think the interior of the line was the issue. I think having an undersized, slowish, hurt safety playing middle line backer and a weak side LB that kept being abused were the biggest issues, especially with stopping the run. I think that better pass coverage and stronger rush from the DEnd positions would have helped Lemar Marshall and Holdman look a whole lot better.

Just asking.

Posted by: evan | January 10, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

IT'S SO FUN TO READ ALL THE FRUSTRATED AND WHINY SKINI FANS COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW THEIR TEAM IS RUN, WHO'S PLAYING OR NOT PLAYING, WHO THEY SHOULD DRAFT, ETC. THANKS FOR ALL THE LAUGHS SKINI FANS.

ALSO ON DRAFT DAY I'LL STILL BE IN BED ASLEEP WHEN THE SKINI'S PICK, SINCE THEY PICK SO EARLY IN THE DRAFT BECAUSE THEY HAD A STINK-TASTIC YEAR. HAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: Anonymous | January 10, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Jack Bauer should be the Redskins GM. He wouln't have given up any picks, he'd have broken Atlanta's fingers until they gave us TJ Ducket.

Posted by: Tony Almeda | January 10, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

is there a group hug emoticon? maybe () or (:) or !@#$$%&* oh, that one's taken.

Posted by: evan | January 10, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Tony,

Tony Soprano would have made that deal... He'd be a good GM and I think he's connected to the DiBartolo's too.

Posted by: evan | January 10, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

P.S. THE SHOW '24' IS INCREDIBLY BORING AND STUPID. OF COURSE ONLY SKINI FANS WOULD WATCH. HAHAHAHA

Posted by: Anonymous | January 10, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

you know how the internet existed before Al invented it?

aren't chall getting the feeling that he invented global warming too? the globe's been warming up for the past 20 years or so but not till Al showed up with his "global warming warning" that we average 60 degrees in JANUARY in DC?

i would NOT want to mess with that dude. i think he's connected. i wonder if next year he comes in to Ashburn and says "skins need a GM" and BAM! there's a GM in '08 for the skins...

dorf, shutUP! or i'll group hug the shti out of you. just kidding...*group hug* how does one group hug? is there someone in the middle? yuck. i don't want to be that person...

Posted by: dealer | January 10, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I think we should group hug with this cowboys troll in the middle till his eyeballs pop out of his skull.

Al didn't invent global warming, he just perfected it and then used it to jump start his career.

Posted by: evan | January 10, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I would like Jack Bauer as the GM. Terry Tate Office Linebacker as the Player Personal person.

Posted by: jm220 | January 10, 2007 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Skinz, I'm not in man love with Golsten or anything, but I don't think the Skins were "forced" to start him; I think he earned it. They were lucky to start him. He was one of the well-drafted players. Being a 6th rounder doesn't mean he's less of a player (see Brady, or Marques Colston).

Branch could be good b/c he's fast and heavy, but I think his height could be a disadvantage at the next level b/c he necessarily will have more body opened to interior lineman. Focusing on technique will be important (at a position where technique should be the least important ... and playing with crazy abandon is key). Excellent article by Les in the WaPo today about the Raven's noseguard -- same weight, much much shorter (two time national champ heavyweight wrestler in high school ... guy understands the importance of controlling the other guy's center of gravity).

Still, I think Skins should trade down from #6 in the first round to a lower position in the first AND second rounds (e.g., see if Pats are interested in a HIGHER second pick in the first round).

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

evan, yep everyone from our own John Riggins to Oprah want a piece of him.

btw, Coughlin is coming back as the giants HC.

Posted by: dealer | January 10, 2007 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I would like Jack Bauer as the GM. Terry Tate Office Linebacker as the Player Personal person.

Posted by: jm220 | January 10, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Curtis,

I'm having Chloe triangulate Boofers internet connection and we'll converge on his trailer.

Posted by: Jack Bauer | January 10, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I would like Jack Bauer as the GM. Terry Tate Office Linebacker as the Player Personal person.

Posted by: jm220 | January 10, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

how does one group hug? is there someone in the middle? yuck. i don't want to be that person...

Posted by: dealer | January 10, 2007 12:51 PM

What if the group hug involved Niki Blonde, Briana Banks, Tiffany Rayne, and Jenna Jameson?

Posted by: P-Box | January 10, 2007 1:14 PM | Report abuse

The one on the left is aaiight. I'll take the one on the right. Who is that Miss Teen DC?

Posted by: 4th Floor | January 10, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

jm220 -

can you post one more time, i'm not quite sure who you want as "Player Personal Person" and GM.

Posted by: BOOFER | January 10, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

4th, I dunno whose on the right, but Wikipedia says that Miss Teen DC (2007) is her sister, Ava Goldsen.

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the many post crew. Computer at work went crazy on me. I wonder if the FCC is checking on me. lol

Posted by: jm220 | January 10, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Dear Person of Interest and everybody else, nothing to see here. Move along.

Posted by: FCC | January 10, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I tip my hat to Larry for taking a very unpopular stance here, and standing in not once but twice to be assailed by vicious attacks (I'm looking at you, dealer). We can and will go back and forth, back and forth about Snyder's perceived good and bad traits as the owner and primary steward of our beloved franchise.

As others have noted, Snyder will not be loved, admired or even begrudgingly respected by a plurality of Redskins Nation until the team sustains a run of consistent excellence over a long period of time: making the playoffs more than half the time, winning division titles, going deep in the playoffs, and winning a Super Bowl. I don't mean one or two good years, I mean 5-10 years of excellence on the field. And that excellence must be capped by one or more league championships.

That is the standard established by Mr. Cooke, a mean old buzzard who we tolerated and celebrated and grew to love because he was a CHAMPION and he made us all feel like champions by association. Maybe it's unfair to Snyder, but that's the role he chose when he bought the team; he will always be compared unfavorably to Mr. Cooke until he adds more metal footballs to that trophy case out at the Park.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Yes, move along.

Posted by: NSA (and NRO) | January 10, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

FCC, nice one.

AMTTS, you dropped 'shabingi' and 'chooches' in one post up above. Strong, strong work.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 1:27 PM | Report abuse

FCC, nice one.

AMTTS, you dropped 'shabingi' and 'chooches' in one post up above. Strong, strong work.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Like jm220, I am perfecting my double post move today.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Let's just accept the fact that Snyder is a WEENIE! He pulled the typical yuppy trick of trying to buy success right away rather than build up slow and steady through hard work. It hasn't and doesn't work.
Boofer, I have to congratulate you, you beat us, the cowgirls owner is the worst, the only one to beat out DannyBoy. I know DannyBoy is your big brother and you have the big inferiority complex thing going.
Oh yeah, our fight song is better than yours, that's why your founder held it hostage.
Dallas sucks forever!

Posted by: ILikeSonny | January 10, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I love Boofer. Boofer, will you marry me?

Posted by: Jack Bauer | January 10, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I love Boofer. Boofer, will you marry me?

Posted by: Jack Bauer | January 10, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I love Boofer. Boofer, will you marry me?

Posted by: Jack Bauer | January 10, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Nate, 5-10 of excellence in the NFL is no longer possible nowadays per this from Maske today:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/09/AR2007010901488.html

Looks like the owners are getting what they have long sought: parity. Parity = everyone is mediocre and fans everywhere are irate.

ILikeSonny, according the Maske article, Mr. $nyder's 'yuppy' move is far from unique in the NFL and is becoming the norm. Also, on your blog name, I like Sonny too. I want him for GM.

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Note to dealer: bro, you had me howling. I was laughing my guts out (your morning response to Larry). Can you bottle some of that mojo and give it to Ggrilliams?

Posted by: ILikeSonny | January 10, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

nate, BUT he called me "brainwashed" first!
:p~~~~~~~

Posted by: dealer | January 10, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Damn! This is a good day on here.

1. Miss DC is NAILS! Did JC teach how to run a quick out the next AM?

2. Tell Larry "YES", it is all Dan Snyders fault. It's his plane. Make it fly.

3. BOOFER...seriously. Over Under on when you lost your V card is at 32 1/3 in vegas right now. I like you buddy, but I have to take the over on this one.

keep up the good work and happy hump day.

Posted by: Pub Golf | January 10, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

DC, that was a quote from an article not my personal opinion. I love Goldsten, I think he'll continue to develop and should be a solid if unspectacular player for us.

Old,

I agree that the Pats tend to come off as pompous sometimes. I don't think they did anything wrong but certainly could have handled it with more tact.

Brady didn't openly critisize the org but he did put his weight behind Branch,

"... But the bottom line is that Deion is one of the best in the world at what he does, and it's so hard for him and for us, because this is a really ruthless sport."


Posted by: Skinz | January 10, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Like jm220, I am perfecting my double post move today.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 01:31 PM

Huh? I can't follow your post (move).

Adam

Posted by: DoubleMove | January 10, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

thanks ilikesonny that was the intent. always is.

pg, you like her(mercedes)?*surprised* dunno man...i'm kinda getting scared for my boy. i feel like someone like don king is taking over our rocky...

Posted by: dealer | January 10, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Group hug good for me
With both them lovely ladies
I'll take the middle

Posted by: MV Dame | January 10, 2007 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I LOVE MY V CARD TO PUB GOLF'S MOM WHEN I WAS IN 9TH GRADE. GOOD TIME WAS HAD BY ALL. WHO KNOWS, MAYBE PUBGOLF HAS A LITTLE BROTHER OR SISTER RUNNING AROUND SOMEWHERE.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 10, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I LIKE DALLAS WINNING PLAYOFF GAMES. I REMEMBER IT LIKE IT WAS 10 YEARS AGO!!!

BOO HOO

Posted by: Anonymous | January 10, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Ode to Sonny- (cue Beach Boys music in backgound)
HE'S SO FINE, THAT NUM-BER-NINE!

Sonny as GM would be a hoot, maybe he'd round up Billy Kilmer and take Vinny out for some "night before the big Draft Day" brewskies. Now THAT would be refreshing as a cold can of Pabst, with a Virginia Gentleman chaser.
When I lived in DC I would turn the volume off the skin's games on TV and listen to Sonny and Sam's commentary via radio.
SIGH* Oh for the old days when heroes stood tall, were supersmart, and played their guts out.
Had Chris Hanburger (#55 All-Pro linebacker) walk into the store once, I almost fell over. Better than Tom Cruz and whatzername any day.

Posted by: ILikeSonny | January 10, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Holarious!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Dealer, yeah, I think she's aiight, but maybe I've been in the hills to long. I'm sure she's nowhere near what JC was used to at the 'Burn though.

Boofer, both my moms were pretty hot back in the day, so I'm proud of you buddy, but a couple of items wrong with your response:

1. No friggin way they got 9th grade in Texas. Everyone knows Texans stop at 2nd, and go right to "Sheep proding".
2. If I had a little brother or sister, I would have found the following letter in my mailbox -

BIG BROTHER!!! WHERE IS MY DADDY!!!HEEHEHEEHE! YOU SKININ FAN!! hehehe JACK BAURE BORING.

Posted by: Pub Golf | January 10, 2007 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Ode to Sonny- (cue Beach Boys music in backgound)
HE'S SO FINE, THAT NUM-BER-NINE!

Sonny as GM would be a hoot, maybe he'd round up Billy Kilmer and take Vinny out for some "night before the big Draft Day" brewskies. Now THAT would be refreshing as a cold can of Pabst, with a Virginia Gentleman chaser.
When I lived in DC I would turn the volume off the skin's games on TV and listen to Sonny and Sam's commentary via radio.
SIGH* Oh for the old days when heroes stood tall, were supersmart, and played their guts out.
Had Chris Hanburger (#55 All-Pro linebacker) walk into the store once, I almost fell over. Better than Tom Cruz and whatzername any day.
If Russ Grimm becomes the Steeler's coach, I'm backing THEM in the AFC, baby!

Posted by: ILikeSonny | January 10, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Dudes, until he does something awesome and earns a nickname, can we please show some respect for our semi-stud rookie by spelling his name right: it's GOLSTON. Kedric Golston.

I know I'm breaking a blaw by commenting on spelling, but this is a dude's name.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Sadly, FOTRIB (friend of the redskins insider blog) Tim Goodman isn't going to do his lengthy Tuesday morning blog deconstruction of "24" (thereby depriving the Washington Post sports department of one reason for living). But he will do a shorter version.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/indexn?blogid=24

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 10, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

awe! thanks editor! for reminding.
i'm going there right now...

Posted by: dealer | January 10, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

please tell me it hasn't aired yet! i thought it wasn't till next week?

Posted by: dealer | January 10, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Re: the Pro Bowl...

Won't it be weird watching Samuels protecting Ro-Moron's blindside?

Posted by: disappointed | January 10, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

disappointed, who'll be watching the pro bowl??

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

nate, you want to do rock, paper, scisor for it?

here's what you do: P-synchroize your watches with internet clock and then post "rock scissors or paper" at the same time...

how about at 2:31 pm EST?

Posted by: dealer | January 10, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Glad to see there's several of us double posting our guts out.
Big wet hickey smooch to Boofer, he must've been dropped on his widdle hed when he came out' the test tube.
poor widdle thing!

Posted by: ILikeSonny | January 10, 2007 2:31 PM | Report abuse

dealer, it's ON. T-minus one minute...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm joining in late so I hope there is still some dead horse left for me to beat.

Who is to say that if the Redskins did hire a GM that he wouldn't be as clueless as everyone else Mr Snyder has hired?

Look at who he has brought in to manage personel: Vinnie, Gibbs, Pepper Rodgers..etc.

Now look at who he has let go: Charlie Casserly, Bobby Mitchell and Marty (Drafted Smoot, found Pierce and Lemar Marhall, brought in Ki-Jana Carter to back up S. Davis).

Granted, he hired Marty first but obviously didn't like the way things were going so he canned him.

My point is, Dan Snyder has no idea what a real football guy is so how can he be expected to hire one?

Not a sermon, just a thought.

Posted by: etrod | January 10, 2007 2:32 PM | Report abuse

skinz

right on all counts. Players in this league are only "core" until management finds a cheaper younger player to take their spot. Very very few players are irreplaceable. 99% find out the hard way, ie released.

Posted by: Old School | January 10, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

blog is so slow today I am dyin' out here. we finally get some good conversation flowing and it's taking forevah for the thing to load... aaaargh.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

paper

Posted by: dealer | January 10, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

dealer, you beat me, I had ROCK (Cartwright, actually). Though my 2:31 Eastern attempted post got lost in the ether.

Paper allegedly covers Rock, though you and I know that nobody can cover Rock out of the backfield.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I know a gamesman such as yourself, dealer, will already be well versed in the literature of rock-paper-scissors, but just in case any of blog peeps are unfamiliar with this brilliant site:

http://www.worldrps.com/

I highly recommend the 'basics' and 'gambits' sections.

One of the funniest sites I've encountered in a while. Takes me back to the heyday of origamiboulder.com and the dancing hamster.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

you lose sucka! no one beats me in that thing...game! muuuhaahaha

okay on a sad note:

KENNETT SQUARE, Pa. -- Barbaro has suffered a significant setback in his recovery from laminitis, with damaged tissue removed from the Kentucky Derby winner's left hind hoof.

Posted by: dealer | January 10, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

dang, dealer, you gotta bring me down. I will quote the ELO song currently rocking out in my headphones:

"Don't bring me down! No no no no no! Ooh-woo-hoo! 'll tell you once more, before I get off the floor, don't bring me down!"

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

BARBARO SUFFERED HIS INJURY BECAUSE HE HEARD SO MANY SKINI FANS WHINING ABOUT THEIR PATHETIC EXCUSE FOR A PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL TEAM.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 10, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Nate: "Like jm220, I am perfecting my double post move today."

Ain't nothing you could do about it.

Posted by: Trips | January 10, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Go Cowboys!

Posted by: Jack Bauer | January 10, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

"dealer is who I thought he was. He's who I thought he was. I played him in preseason... who the hell thinks in the third game of the preseason like it's [bleep][bleep]...

"I played him in the third game, everybody played three quarters. dealer is who I THOUGHT he was! That's why I took the damn field! Now, if you want to crown him, then CROWN his ass! But he IS who I THOUGHT he was! And I let him off the hook!"

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

this from The Bastard (the link editor provided):


"That's not to say Cox isn't up for a provocative makeover of her light-comedy persona. While the pilot has pretty much every actor partaking in "Nip/Tuck"-style sex scenes, Cox's Spiller character takes her boy-toy one-night stand and pushes him down under the sheets (and later calls on him to repeat the task). But mostly she's reduced to her vibrator -- she's too busy for sex and love anyway, and as "Dirt" tries unconvincingly to show us, Spiller gets her only true orgasms by revealing celebrity sins. ("Dirt" still goes out of its way to show Cox masturbating, which may boost ratings and sex up Cox's reputation but is oddly off-putting.) "Dirt" tries to make Cox seem like the most feared woman in Hollywood -- she runs two magazines, Drrt and Now, a quasi-journalism empire -- but viewers are likely to spend any time invested here wondering why Monica from "Friends" is trying to play tough (and why her masturbating is so unsexy). This is the biggest obstacle -- but not the only obstacle -- to the success and believability of the series. Something is amiss here. Monica/Cox could not possibly be mean and, no offense intended to Cox, but she's not the type of woman that men tend to imagine in the masturbation arena

Posted by: dealer | January 10, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

By the way, FedEx stadium will never host a Super Bowl for good reasons. It is too far north - so the winter weather is an unknown factor - and it is not a dome stadium. That's all.

Posted by: charlie | January 10, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Rock-Paper-Scissors is my 2 1/2 year-old's favorite game.
The only problem is that she has fallen into the habit of choosing scissors.

Always.

To the point that we refer to it as scissors-scissors-scissors.

However, I must point out that this is hardly the stuff of which 'blogging our guts out' is made.

Posted by: cload and daggar | January 10, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Rock-Paper-Scissors is my 2 1/2 year-old's favorite game.
The only problem is that she has fallen into the habit of choosing scissors.

Always.

To the point that we refer to it as scissors-scissors-scissors.

However, I must point out that this is hardly the stuff of which 'blogging our guts out' is made.

Posted by: cload and daggar | January 10, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

yeah yeah ibtch! i own your ass!

btw my picks:
bears (beating the spread) (sure)
iggles (sure)
indy (75% sure)
pats (50% sure)

now, i know we all hate archie's boy but we have to root against b'more this weekend so our brother, jason can "go home" for some QT with his Famalee...until superbowl. (i think that's true).

Posted by: dealer | January 10, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Nate, good looking out. Walking away from the table with cards unplayed isn't a good feeling. So yeah, you drop shabingi...you throw chooch around and you work at it. You work supersmart and you fight.

With regards to our defense, the line was terrible. The whole thing; not just the ends. Griffin is old, Golston did some nice things but he won't be the kind of force that Branch supposedly can be. I don't think Branch is 'the guy' for my $$$. I watched him. I didn't see that 'Tommie Harris Top 10 D tackle' that was unblockable and raised havoc. I saw someone who was pretty good.

This is yet another reason why I advocate traiding back a bit and picking up my dog LaRon Landry the best defensive playmaker in the entire draft.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | January 10, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

cload, we were playing to not have to watch the probowl. now nate has to watch the probowl and report on it the day after.

Posted by: dealer | January 10, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

yeah i agree griff didn't play well this year. they started to double AC pretty quickly but still no push from the tackles.

Posted by: dealer | January 10, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Syracuse, NY



Jan 10 Tonight
Windy early...occasional snow showers. Low near 20F. W winds at 20 to 30 mph, diminishing to 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 60%.
Jan 11 Tomorrow
Partly cloudy skies. High 39F. Winds SSE at 15 to 25 mph.
Jan 11 Tomorrow night
Partly cloudy skies during the evening will give way to cloudy skies overnight. Low 32F. Winds S at 10 to 20 mph.
Jan 12 Friday
Showers possible. Highs in the low 40s and lows in the upper 30s.
Jan 13 Saturday
Rain and snow showers. Highs in the low 40s and lows in the mid 30s

Posted by: loco mullin | January 10, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Nate, good looking out. Walking away from the table with cards unplayed isn't a good feeling. So yeah, you drop shabingi...you throw chooch around and you work at it. You work supersmart and you fight.

With regards to our defense, the line was terrible. The whole thing; not just the ends. Griffin is old, Golston did some nice things but he won't be the kind of force that Branch supposedly can be. I don't think Branch is 'the guy' for my $$$. I watched him. I didn't see that 'Tommie Harris Top 10 D tackle' that was unblockable and raised havoc. I saw someone who was pretty good.

This is yet another reason why I advocate traiding back a bit and picking up my dog LaRon Landry the best defensive playmaker in the entire draft.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | January 10, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Aaaargh... I think editor needs to do a Fonzie on the blog machine, smack it on the back of its head to make it start working right.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

charlie,

Dallas and NYC will host Super Bowls as long as their new homes have retractable rooves. The SB is usually dangled when trying to convince localities to subsidize stadium construction, before resorting to outright blackmail by threatening to move. The new Atlanta and Detroit buildings have already hosted the mother of all football games.

Danny will find a way. Either a retractable roof will be added to FedEx at great expense or he'll build a whole new stadium. But Danny will host a SB during his tenure as owner, mark my words.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Good post Dealer. I think I might start watching this Cox girl on tv. Man, the guy wrote Cox's name about 10 times in the piece....

Posted by: 4th Floor | January 10, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

The Cowboys still suck - Day 4.

Boofer is still an idiot - too many days to count

Posted by: The Indians | January 10, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

The Cowboys still suck - Day 4.

Boofer is still an idiot - too many days to count

Posted by: The Indians | January 10, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

didn't the bullets once give up FIVE first round picks to get webber?

if QB's make the team and give orgs respectability then:

i wonder if the pats'll take 5 first rounders for brady?

Posted by: dealer | January 10, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

OK. I'll bet you 10 TCCL's!!!

Posted by: charlie | January 10, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

SMELLY BUTT

Posted by: BOOFER | January 10, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I do have to admire Boofhead's guts for continuing to post here after he boldly kept predicting for five weeks that Romo-mania was going to lead them to the Super Bowl yet he couldn't even handle a routine snap to win one playoff game and that the Cowpokes were going to "win" the division which they did not. So how can we believe anything else he says?

(Sorry to bring him up again - but I couldn't resist.)

Posted by: charlie | January 10, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

So help me Jesus, if we do not select a defensive player, I won't drink coffee for a week.

If I could have one, I would chose LaRon Landry. If I could get two, give me Landry and Moss. If for some incredible reason, I got three picks, give me Landry, Moss and Pinnock from OSU.

This week's nominee for greatest albums of all time: Compton's Most Wanted, "Musice to Drive-by"

(booyakashot)

Posted by: The Governor | January 10, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I was just bumpin 'We come Strapped' in my Zune.

G'yeah.......

Posted by: 4th Floor | January 10, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

COWBOYS ARE THE BEST ORGANIZATION IN ALL OF PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL. HAVE BEEN AND ALWAYS WILL BE. ONLY COWBOY-HATER SKINI FANS CAN'T ADMIT THAT THEIR TEAM IS WORSE THAN THE 'BOYS!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | January 10, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Bears (rock) and Shehawks (scissors)
Saints (paper) and Eagles (rock)
Colts (paper) and Ravens (scissors)
Chargers (scissors) and Patriots (scissors, but overtime rock)

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Its hard to judge who is going to be our pick at this point. Once guys have their pro-day's, and the combine is done, that will separate the wheat from the chaff. I'd like to see how Branch, and Jamal Anderson, DE from Arkansas test.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | January 10, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Gov, AMTTS, I'll be happy if we stay at #6 and pick a blue chip D-man, regardless of his position. I'll also be happy if we trade down and get more defenders later. I'll also be happy if we trade down twice and get even more defenders later.

We may disagree on the most pressing position needs, and we may entirely differ from what the decision-makers consider their most pressing needs, but at least on the blog we can't disagree that D is where we need help.

I won't be happy if we draft ANY offensive players except maybe a depth O-lineman, and that only if we've already addressed multiple D needs.

Hoping we re-sign Dockery, sign a top-tier FA corner -- again, my thesis is that we must have a CB triumvirate of Springs + Double Move + new guy -- and turn our meager draft picks into something unequivocally positive and instantly impactful. THEN we could breathe a sigh of relief until minicamp. Or we could immediately start second-guessing...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

What am I thinking, we can proactively second-guess the decisions of this front office! We can start criticizing moves they haven't yet made! That will save everyone some time.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

"COWBOYS ARE THE BEST ORGANIZATION IN ALL OF PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL."

Ho, ho, ho! That's the best joke I've heard in a long time!

Posted by: charlie | January 10, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Monk is one step closer to the HOF... he and Grimm are among the 17 finalists.

http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/story.jsp?story_id=2285

"Russ Grimm and/or Art Monk would be the 16th and/or 17th Washington Redskins Hall of Fame members. They would join George Allen, Cliff Battles, Sammy Baugh, Bill Dudley, Albert Glen "Turk" Edwards, Ray Flaherty, Joe Gibbs, Ken Houston, Sam Huff, Sonny Jurgensen, George Preston Marshall, Wayne Millner, Bobby Mitchell, John Riggins, and Charley Taylor."

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww snap 4th Floor!

Mister Mister Scarface in the 9-Deuce, you gotch yo nine, I got my nine too

Damn, Son!!!!

G'yeah. g'yeah. You can make the duck sick...

Posted by: The Governor | January 10, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

How is Joe Jacoby not in the Hall?

Or Mark Mosely?

Posted by: CMoney | January 10, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Grimm would be the token Hog if he got in. I think Big Jake deserves it just as much (being a homer) or even more since he was left tackle, but who knows how these things work.

Moseley was great from our perspective as Skins fans, but I don't think his body of work gets him close to the HOF. Being the last straight-ahead kicker probably works against him, not for him.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Sombody Snitched, ain't that a b**ch, muthaph**kin 5-0 at my front-Door, uh.

Talkin bout they got a gang full nesses. Wanna come in and search my premises....

Also a classic line from the album:

DJ Quick in a Kahki-Bakini (I laugh everytime I hear this)

Posted by: 4th | January 10, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Dealer, why are you sure the Eagles will win this weekend? They did not look so hot last Sunday. GO SAINTS!

And I have no problem rooting for the Colts since I am sick to death of hearing the Ravens players (Ray Lewis in particular) talk about how great they are and that no one can beat them. GO COLTS!

Posted by: Lisa | January 10, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Re: A. Branch -- I read the scouting report on him, but I don't know where they get the idea that he's not a penetrator. He was very disruptive in the games I watched, played a lot on the offense's side of the line of scrimmage, and put a fair amount of pressure up the middle. With his size, he would make the LB corps better.
In a perfect world, I might want a big, fast DE as a counter to Carter (small, fast DE), but that type of player doesn't show up in the draft every year. Gaines Adams seems to be the best DE, but it's not clear he'll make it down to 6th pick, and he's not that much bigger than Carter.
The other big benefit to Branch is that DT is a reasonably straightforward position to play, so we shouldn't have to wait until midseason to see him start.

Posted by: cload and daggar | January 10, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Like everything else in the NFL, the Hall of Fame has deteriorated in the past two decades into a kiss-ass personality/popularity contest, driven by the media. The number of outstanding players who have been rejected by HOF voters is equalled by the number of players with dubious accomplishments who have been admitted. Sad to say, this trend will worsen in the future, similar to the farcical voting each year for the Pro Bowl. (Best recent example: Tony Romo)

The NFL Hall of Fame should adopt a few minimum standards for entry also, as follows:

1) One-trick ponies, one-hit wonders, and players with substance abuse issues (on or off the field) should be automatically disqualified;

2) Minimum of ten years of NFL playing experience required;

3) Demonstrated record of success (career top 10% in all statistical position categories);

4) Additional significant factors of note, i.e. strong participation in community-based outreach, winning the Nobel Peace Prize, etc. (Token participation in United Way commercials does not qualify, however.)

Finally, Hall of Fame voting should be open only to current and living members of the Hall of Fame. Eliminate the media from the process. (Many of the current "selectors" can't tell the difference between a blocking dummy and an editor.)

Posted by: Knute Rockne | January 10, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

PG, that was brilliant!

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | January 10, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Weather report for Nome, Alaska:

Today - Cold
Tomorrow - Cold
Friday - Cold

Posted by: Coco Muffin | January 10, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Moseley was great from our perspective as Skins fans, but I don't think his body of work gets him close to the HOF.

Are you kidding? He led the league in kicking for 4 seasons (only Lou Groza led for 5). He was one of the best clutch kickers in his era. He won a Super Bowl. And he is the only kicker to ever win the MVP.

He should be in.

Posted by: CMoney | January 10, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I ain't no blocking dummy!

Posted by: Peter King's Editor | January 10, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Knute Rockne - If your case is made, then you are saying John Riggins shouldn't be in the HOF. He played 9 seasons. He NEVER made a pro-bowl. He is an alcholic.

AND, by your record. You are saying Tiki Barber should be in. Now that is bull-crap! The bama had 3 good years with T. Couglin. The 1st 7 years he was Tiki Barber on the carry, Fumblelya, Fumblerusky.....

Posted by: 4th Floor | January 10, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Lisa....have you seen the ladies around 14th and Vermont recently? Are they still around?

Posted by: Mr. Mackey | January 10, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Baxter? Bark twice if you're in Milwaukee.

Posted by: Dorf | January 10, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Tony likely to be back at MNF next year, from Newsday...

http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/ny-sptony105046726jan10,0,3312516.story

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

CMoney, Moseley never even made the HOF final group, which means the selectors in all their wisdom didn't find his career that impressive among all the dudes they were considering.

Remember, they're allergic to kickers and punters. There is ONE pure kicker in the HOF: trailblazer Jan Stenerud. I bet for most people, that one is enough. That was my thinking, that Moseley wasn't so incredible that he could straight-ahead kick his way through that glass ceiling.

Who knows, maybe Moseley will get in as a Senior Committee pick.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 5:05 PM | Report abuse

To the blog slobberers who want multiple likely first round picks, you must pick one. Then, odds are, he won't be who we pick.

The good news is that the last year, for as few picks as we had (six ... two more than this year), the college scouts did pretty well because they came up with four who made the roster (assuming making the roster is an indication of a good pick). By the end of the season (OK, the last game), two of those six actually started: RockyMac and Golston. Doughty and Montgomery being the other two who made the roster.

Of this year's four picks, that should mean that three make the roster. [The two from last year who didn't make it -- Lefotu and Simon -- were 7th rounders.] For as much as I am not OK with their VPPP boss, I think the Skins' college scouts do OK on the ones they are actually allowed to draft.

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

where/what is the PDX?

Posted by: embarrassed | January 10, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Wait a minute, sween. Are you saying we won't be able to draft LaRon Landry, Gaines Adams, AND Quinn Pitcock, all with our #6 pick?

I guess I don't understand the mechanics of the draft as well as I thought.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

It's a military base's grocery store. Tee Hee.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 10, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

where/what is the PDX?

Posted by: embarrassed | January 10, 2007 05:08 PM

TWO MILES FROM COWBOYS HEADQUARTERS. HEHEHEHE.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 10, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

PDX = airport code for Portland, OR

I thought it made for a snappy codename when I started posting up here. But I've had to pdxplain it about fifteen times now, so it's lost a bit of its luster.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Note: I don't actually live in the airport like the dude Tom Hanks played in that movie.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

where/what is the PDX?

Posted by: embarrassed | January 10, 2007 05:08 PM


It's a sexual position

Posted by: jm219 | January 10, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Suggestion: Nate in Stoudamire's Weed Patch.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 10, 2007 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I can't see the Cowboys' headquarters from where I live, but I can smell it.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Re: Stoudamire's Weed Patch, I went to my first Blazers game on Sunday. It was the one where Dwayne Wade came back from a bum wrist and freakin' dominated. The one where the Blazers had an uncomfortable lead and just collapsed like a house of cards. Yeah, that one.

Juan Dixon played a good bit and looked good, for you Terp fans. I root for that dude even though I have no love for the Terps.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I finally read the Baltimore Sun article on Ozzie Newsome. All I can say is I'm jealous and where can we find his twin? There were a lot of good statements but I liked this one, "He always lets things play out," Savage said. "He has been around long enough to know a decision made in haste is probably the wrong decision." The first thing I thought of was our trade for Duckett.

Posted by: Steve | January 10, 2007 5:52 PM | Report abuse

" If your case is made, then you are saying John Riggins shouldn't be in the HOF. He played 9 seasons. He NEVER made a pro-bowl. He is an alcholic." 4th

Nope, I am not saying that.

1) If a player is already in, he stays in. So Riggins stays in and Jim Brown stays in. (years in league). LT stays in. (drug issues)

2) Making it to the Pro Bowl is a joke, and should not be a determining factor ever again. (Tony Romo - need I say more?)

3) Riggins had statistics on his side: career yards, for example.

So the issue is not who is in there now, but who will be in the future.

Like it or not, Tiki will get in. Look at his rushing statistics. (Everyone who carries the ball fumbles to some extent. The question is: did your other efforts overcome the mistakes? Do you really think they will keep Brett Favre out of the HOF because he throws lots of interceptions? Interceptions didn't keep Sonny J. out.)

The problem (again) is that it has become a popularity contest in recent years. The process needs to be fixed so that outstanding and consistent performance (without artificial enhancement) over a long career is recognized.

Using those guidelines, Art Monk would be the first new inductee into the Hall of Fame.

Just for the record, there should be a separate Hall of Fame category for the original Hogs O-Line, also. Put them all in together as a GROUP. They are no less famous than Pittsburgh's Steel Curtain defense in the 70s, and both groups should be recognized as such.

Posted by: Knute Rockne | January 10, 2007 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Nate, Dealer, The Gov I see you guys been blogging your guts out up here.

Lisa good to see you made it back.

Still see the one who's name will not be said still wishes he was me.

Posted by: jm220 | January 10, 2007 6:14 PM | Report abuse

jm220,

Did you lose a pound or is someone impersonating you? (See above)

Posted by: Lisa | January 10, 2007 6:29 PM | Report abuse

>>> "Sadly, FOTRIB (friend of the redskins insider blog) Tim Goodman isn't going to do his lengthy Tuesday morning blog deconstruction of "24" "

Damnit! Chloe, send me satellite imagery of Goodman's address on my PDA. Have a backup team meet me there and tell Audrey it's going to be a long day.

God, can't WAIT until Sunday night!

Boofer, unlike everyone else here, I ordinarily love your posts. They break up the monotony of calling for Snyder's head or St. Joe's resignation or Brunell to retire or whatever. But, mate, busting on "24" is not, not, not Kosher.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 10, 2007 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Lisa come on baby. You got to know that's not me.

P I am with you brother. I can't wait until Sunday night and the start of 24

Posted by: jm220 | January 10, 2007 6:41 PM | Report abuse

jm, I did not think so but just had to check to be sure.

Guys, I am probably the only person who has NEVER watched 24. But I am excited about Grey's Anatomy tomorrow night.

Posted by: Lisa | January 10, 2007 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Guys, I am probably the only person who has NEVER watched 24.

Lisa you just lost some blog crush points there. You have to watch this show. Trust me when I say it is good.

Posted by: jm220 | January 10, 2007 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, I'm with you. I have never seen an episode of "24".

This reminds me of a dude I knew back in the early 90's who made up tee shirts that declared, in plain block letters, "Did not attend Lollapalooza."

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Golly, I hope that didn't cost me any blog crush points.

*hugs*

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Nate in the Terminal, do you think that Boofer can explain how Romo-sexual got elected to the Pro Bowl after only 8 starts?

I think Alien Face pulled some strings.

Posted by: disappointed | January 10, 2007 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Golly, I hope that didn't cost me any blog crush points.

*hugs*

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 07:53 PM

No but it will get you a smack in the back of the head. Wait they are all for double G. You get a free pass this time. lol

Posted by: jm220 | January 10, 2007 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Well, the main reason I have never seen 24 is that I am such a sports chick that just about all I watch is sports...football, basketball, the NFL Network, ESPN, Comcast Sports Net, NBA TV...you name it.

The only reason I started watching Grey's Anatomy (from its inception) was because of a commercial I saw promoting the show. There was a clip of Isiah Washington - and man he was hot! Had to check the show out just to see him..and it's the bomb!

Posted by: Lisa | January 10, 2007 8:19 PM | Report abuse

One other show I do watch and highly recommend is JLC's favorite - HBO's The Wire.

For those of you who have not seen it....Season 1 is debuting tonight (at 9:00) on BET. Check it out.

Posted by: Lisa | January 10, 2007 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, you can make 24 sports related...

CTU vs. Terrorists
Keep score, Jack racks up some pretty gaudy #s. You can do stat comparisons...Jack's kills vs. Curtis's kills. Plus, at the end of each episode you know some kid somewhere thinking about blowing something up or betraying his country just crapped thier pants. Its good ol' American fun/propaganda.

Jack Bauer gets results.

Posted by: Dorf | January 10, 2007 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Lisa- Trust these guys. You'll love 24. It's the best show on tv by far. Diddy and jm...I'm ticked off. A guy at work told me a serious spoiler from hour 4 this upcoming season. I didn't believe him, so I checked it out and it's true. Damn! I hate knowing ahead of time.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 10, 2007 9:46 PM | Report abuse

4-12 man you should have gave him Terry Tate it's pain time hit.WTF is wrong with him. He would got a print out on his desk that said "keep your head up after work" lmao

Posted by: Anonymous | January 10, 2007 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Snow in Portland, y'all! Expecting a whopping two (2) inches tonight. I don't know who's more excited, Nathan Jr. or me. It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Nate,
I'm not familiar with the weather there. Won't the snow melt before 11 1/2 months?

Posted by: cload and daggar | January 10, 2007 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Whoops, apparently Nate had to step out for bread, milk, and toilet paper. Don't forget to pick up a generator while you're out there...

Posted by: cload and daggar | January 10, 2007 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Best news of the day: eBay buys StubHub for $310M. All you guys who had your season tickets revoked for selling them on eBay have a right to be pissed now :-)

Posted by: P Diddy | January 10, 2007 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Romo's balls are too slick:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6352822

Same old tired excuses. Pff.

Posted by: Megskin | January 10, 2007 11:05 PM | Report abuse

First Nate talks about a 2" whopper, then Megskin brings up Romo and his slick balls.

Coincidence? I think not.

Posted by: cload and daggar | January 10, 2007 11:18 PM | Report abuse

2 simple equations........

N.E.'s FO = 3 superbowl trophies

D.C.'s FO = 0 superbowl trophies

Posted by: Afrodezeeak | January 11, 2007 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Loco mullin really dropped the ball on that one Nate... who cares about Syracuse when the PDX is expecting 2 inches. Speaking of dropping the ball...
Nice Michael Jackson joke with a Romo twist

What does Tony Romo like about twenty eight year olds?

There's twenty of them!!!!

Posted by: Dorf | January 11, 2007 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Wondering if this snow thing is just a hoax. It's awfully clear out there. Hmm...

As far as Romo's slick balls, to quote the late, great Sgt. Schultz, "I know notheenk!"

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 11, 2007 12:12 AM | Report abuse

File the "Expecting a whopping two (2) inches tonight" under "immediately regrettable posts." Ugh. At least it didn't double post.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 11, 2007 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Ok, I know it will happen to most of us dudes in time, but the pic of Brian Billick accompanying this article highlights his hairline/halo in a most un-flattering way.

This hairline isn't receding, it isn't retreating, it has surrendered and fled the battlefield.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/10/AR2007011002541.html


J-La, can you gently let Billick know it's time to shave the dome?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 11, 2007 12:20 AM | Report abuse

From Les Carpenter's article on the Ravens' Brian Billick:

". . . All this gave Billick the strength earlier in the fall to do something he never felt possible when he fired Jim Fassel, one of his best friends who had been the Ravens offensive coordinator. For some time, Billick said, he worried that that things weren't working out with Fassel.

Maybe this was because Fassel, once the coach of the New York Giants, wanted to be a head coach again, while Billick already had the job he wanted. Fassel was putting together the game plan in ways that reminded Billick of himself as a young coordinator in Minnesota, with an eye on what would impress other owners and general managers with hopes a job would follow . . ."

Maybe someone should forward this article to Joe Gibbs, re: the continued employment of Al Saunders and G Williams.

Posted by: Ed Poe | January 11, 2007 4:28 AM | Report abuse

Ed Poe I am with you and been saying all year. Smack double G in the back of the head and kick him out the door.

Posted by: jm220 | January 11, 2007 6:53 AM | Report abuse

Romo's balls are too slick??? I'm tempted to say something really dirty here....

Posted by: Lisa | January 11, 2007 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Billick looked like a young vibrant Newt Gingrich.

Posted by: Dorf | January 11, 2007 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Hi Larry,
Listen to all the Washington Turkey,
their coach Gibbs is getting old. He had
to get a coach with 700page playbook that
never work at all. Gibbs better go and
with race car.
This kid of today are not kid of
yesterday. Gibbs can not hold them.
As for Tony Romo, he'll be back. For
Campbell Washington pick 1st draft they
don't make the team. A couple games,
down and out.

Cowboysfan

Posted by: Cowboysfan | January 12, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

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