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Posted at 2:47 PM ET, 11/30/2010

The League: Were fines appropriate in Johnson-Finnegan fight?

By Washington Post editors

The League Panel discusses the fallout from Sunday's brawl.

By Washington Post editors  | November 30, 2010; 2:47 PM ET
 
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I'm not clicking that link.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 30, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse


thank god that's over.

Posted by: hessone | November 30, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I remember the days of 300-500 posts in a working day on this blog. Ah those were good times...good times indeed.

Posted by: TWISI | November 30, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Hess seems to be in a good mood!

Posted by: PlayAction | November 30, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, the whole post seems to be in a better mood, no major fights, no problems over the past couple of days. Almost like something was missing.......oh yeah, you were gone! Think things will go back to normal soon enough now, with all these NERDS on these DIVE ASS posts!!! hahaha

Posted by: monk811 | November 30, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

The League: Were fines appropriate in Johnson-Finnegan fight?

What I find funny is that the high-minded, moralistic sports media types decry the fight while showing clips of it on a loop for 4 minutes each time they come to complain about it.

It's like they are saying, "I hate porn, but let's watch some to point out how sick it is."

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I remember the days of 300-500 posts in a working day on this blog. Ah those were good times...good times indeed.

Posted by: TWISI | November 30, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Then Jason Reid and Co. came along.....

Posted by: monk811 | November 30, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a big-time cool-aid drinker when it comes to the Skins, but I do hope and pray they win each week. Had a feeling they would lose to the Vikings.

Having said that, I think the Skins can take 4 more games--a strech I know, but it is realistic. Lose to the Giants last game of the year.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | November 30, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I barely knew who Finnegan was before that fight.

Now I know who he is. He's a twerpy punk highly deserving of a bloodied face. Which is just what he'll reap if he keeps it up.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 30, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Almost like something was missing.......oh yeah, you were gone!

Posted by: monk811 | November 30, 2010 3:17 PM

Haha...only been in one blog fight up in here...and YOU were involved...with that dive turkey who wanted me to meet him at the stadium so he could beat ME up cause you called him a NERD lol...where the hell is that drunk DORK now?

Posted by: PlayAction | November 30, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I remember the days of 300-500 posts in a working day on this blog. Ah those were good times...good times indeed.

Posted by: TWISI | November 30, 2010 3:16 PM

You must be missing something. We get that number before lunch just between hessone, monk811, and PlayAction.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 30, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I barely knew who Finnegan was before that fight.

Now I know who he is. He's a twerpy punk highly deserving of a bloodied face. Which is just what he'll reap if he keeps it up.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 30, 2010 3:20 PM

Them Finnegans and McGraths I grew up with with did deserve of a lot of bloodied faces, which they received. But they gave 'em too! Especially when the belly was warm with Irish wiskey!

Posted by: smokeybear2 | November 30, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

the league messed up -- gotta toss in a game suspension, at least for the instigator.

My instant reaction when I saw it -- wow, looks like a hockey game.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 30, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse


My instant reaction when I saw it -- wow, looks like a hockey game.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 30, 2010 3:30 PM |

on green ice at that

Posted by: hessone | November 30, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Today's Bad Metaphor Award got to:

Tracee Hamilton:

The Redskins' front office is filled with savvy shoppers. They made arrangements to get the bird they wanted way back in April. They could have gone with some young tom from a turkey farm, but you don't know what they feed those birds or how they're going to turn out. Sometimes they don't mature in time for the table. They could also have gone free range, but those gobblers are pricey and it's hard to find just the right one, not too old, not too young, tough but not scrawny.


Anybody who compares the contruction of a football team to the preparation of Thanksgiving dinner doesn't deserve to eat.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Them Finnegans and McGraths I grew up with with did deserve of a lot of bloodied faces, which they received. But they gave 'em too! Especially when the belly was warm with Irish wiskey!

Posted by: smokeybear2

Knew a guy in college who described himself as a fast talking Mick. When he'd fight, the first thing he'd do is ask someone to "hold my teeth". He lost the originals along the way ...

He was also an All-American athlete, hero in the first WTC bombing and a victim on 9/11.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 30, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I remember the days of 300-500 posts in a working day on this blog. Ah those were good times...good times indeed.

Posted by: TWISI | November 30, 2010 3:16 PM

You must be missing something. We get that number before lunch just between hessone, monk811, and PlayAction.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 30, 2010 3:28 PM

And what's really remarkable is that it's all from one person!

Posted by: PlayAction | November 30, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Knew a guy in college who described himself as a fast talking Mick. When he'd fight, the first thing he'd do is ask someone to "hold my teeth". He lost the originals along the way ...

He was also an All-American athlete, hero in the first WTC bombing and a victim on 9/11.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 30, 2010 3:38 PM

Thanks for sharing. God bless his family.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | November 30, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Does seem rather lightweight -- especially when compared with other events taking place in the league office. So they'll heavily fine and suspend a player for making a legal tackle or incidental contact, but then look the other way when a known thug decides to rip off your helmet and start wailing away.

Posted by: Vic1 | November 30, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Today's Bad Metaphor Award got to:

Tracee Hamilton:

Posted by: MistaMoe

Moe, started to read that piece for a sentence or 2, then skipped down to see if she kept with the metaphor. The metaphor was still going so I exited, and saved myself 3 stomach churning minutes.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 30, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Anybody who compares the contruction of a football team to the preparation of Thanksgiving dinner doesn't deserve to eat.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, saw that. And the torturous part was that she just kept going on and on and on about it... with no apparent point.

So we got McNabb as the turkey....

and Banks as the cranberry sauce...

etc., etc., ad nauseum.

Whatta hack job!

Posted by: Vic1 | November 30, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse


I see that redskin fans are now being labelled hecklers. nice

Posted by: hessone | November 30, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Having said that, I think the Skins can take 4 more games--a strech I know, but it is realistic. Lose to the Giants last game of the year.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | November 30, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I think we win 5 more.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 30, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Almost like something was missing.......oh yeah, you were gone!

Posted by: monk811 | November 30, 2010 3:17 PM

Haha...only been in one blog fight up in here...and YOU were involved...with that dive turkey who wanted me to meet him at the stadium so he could beat ME up cause you called him a NERD lol...where the hell is that drunk DORK now?

Posted by: PlayAction | November 30, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, I think that DWEEB just gave us some elderly man's seat, P*SSY wouldn't give us his REAL seat. I think it was beep and one of his many User ID's.

Posted by: monk811 | November 30, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I remember the days of 300-500 posts in a working day on this blog. Ah those were good times...good times indeed.

Posted by: TWISI | November 30, 2010 3:16 PM

You must be missing something. We get that number before lunch just between hessone, monk811, and PlayAction.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 30, 2010 3:28 PM

And what's really remarkable is that it's all from one person!

Posted by: PlayAction | November 30, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Yep, the post's security guard, beep-beep, keeps a tally of everyone that's in here and what they are saying. "Beep-Beep, keeping RI safe for all!!!"

Yeah Play, how many User ID's do we have under just one person, I lost count. We are kinda like the Borg Collective. "I am 7 of 9, resistence is futile!"

Posted by: monk811 | November 30, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Anybody who compares the contruction of a football team to the preparation of Thanksgiving dinner doesn't deserve to eat.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

My grandma would make a hell of a GM.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 30, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Yep, the post's security guard, beep-beep, keeps a tally of everyone that's in here and what they are saying. "Beep-Beep, keeping RI safe for all!!!"

Yeah Play, how many User ID's do we have under just one person, I lost count. We are kinda like the Borg Collective. "I am 7 of 9, resistence is futile!"

Posted by: monk811 | November 30, 2010 3:59 PM

Sure is confusing keeping this charade going!

Beep-beep is like most of the girls I have known in my life...they say they hate you...but can't stop thinking and talking about you.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 30, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse


Beep-beep is like most of the girls I have known in my life...they say they hate you...but can't stop thinking and talking about you.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 30, 2010 4:05 PM |

you were just hanging around with the wrong women dude. or does everyone hate you ?

Posted by: hessone | November 30, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

you were just hanging around with the wrong women dude. or does everyone hate you ?

Posted by: hessone | November 30, 2010 4:09 PM

Little early for you to start drinking hess...don't ya think? Get a good nights sleep and I'll see you back here bright and early to give you a lesson on women.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 30, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

My grandma would make a hell of a GM.

My grandma was a retired prostitute.

Any time a visitor would take money out of his wallet, she'd remove her false teeth out of habit.

She bragged that her throat was all the erectile dysfunction medication any man needed.

"Knee pads," she'd brag. "Are for suckers."

(INSERT rimshot audio and bad pun groan from very pissed AARP members as Rodney "Moe" Dangerfield yanks his X-Mas tie while complaining about the lack of respect he receives in this blog.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I remember the days of 300-500 posts in a working day on this blog. Ah those were good times...good times indeed.

Posted by: TWISI


Co-sign. It's been like a conversation between a monkey with tourettes syndrome and a retarded blind mouse in here lately.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 30, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Beep-beep is like most of the girls I have known in my life...they say they hate you...but can't stop thinking and talking about you.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 30, 2010 4:05 PM

Hardly surprising that most of the girls you have known say they hate you. And I get your message about how much you talk about me. I had one post with your name in it and you've had six -- four as PlayAction and two as monk811.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 30, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Anybody who compares the contruction of a football team to the preparation of Thanksgiving dinner doesn't deserve to eat.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

My grandma would make a hell of a GM.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 30, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

the funniest part of this entire article was that she admitted that she doesn't even cook a turkey. She serves meat loaf on Thanksgiving Day.

Posted by: frediefritz | November 30, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

TWISI/Red-

cosign. There's got to be a better place for that sort of jibba jabber.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 30, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bangkokben | November 30, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

i think the punishment is bs

i like hockey's way of punishing those who fight

5 minutes in a box and then let them back in the same game and let the players decide for themselves if they want to go back in the box

it seems to work out great for both parties w/out the commish getting involved

Posted by: retroskins14 | November 30, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

There's got to be a better place for that sort of jibba jabber.


The postings reflect the redskins' poor outcomes.

There are a lot of folks on here when we win, and not so many when we lose.

Too, if you go back afew years, the Gibbs return brought a lot of folks out of the closet and from under the rug.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Moe,

The 'skins are 1-3 in their last four games including losses to the 2-9 Lions, 3-8 Vikings and getting their worst butt-kicking at home to the division rival Eagles. Squeaking an overtime loss over a team that hasn't scored since they lost their top two qb's is not exactly a confidence booster. Most folks are ready for somethingelse. There just isn't much to be positive about.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 30, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Here are some stats to try throw a positive spin on things.

The 'skins are 3-2 against winning teams. Four of their last five games are against teams with winning records.

The 'skins are also 3-2 on the road and have three of their last five games on the road.

The 'skins are 2-0 against winning teams on the road. This week they play the 7-4 Giants on the road.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 30, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

One guy threw haymakers, one guy threw zero punches. Johnson ripped Finnegans helmet off the previous play (I think), so that's the rules of engagement.

Total double standard AJ definitely should have got a harsher sentence because he threw punches.

If you disagree you're wrong, period!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 30, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I barely knew who Finnegan was before that fight.

Now I know who he is. He's a twerpy punk highly deserving of a bloodied face. Which is just what he'll reap if he keeps it up.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 30, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

why is ok for AJ to be a punk and not CF?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 30, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse


Here are some stats to try throw a positive spin on things.

The 'skins are 3-2 against winning teams. Four of their last five games are against teams with winning records.

The 'skins are also 3-2 on the road and have three of their last five games on the road.

The 'skins are 2-0 against winning teams on the road. This week they play the 7-4 Giants on the road.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 30, 2010 5:29 PM |
---------

and then reality sets in.

the redskins coaching staff has been figured out due to the lack of talent on the roster

Posted by: hessone | November 30, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse


Get a good nights sleep and I'll see you back here bright and early to give you a lesson on women.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 30, 2010 4:19 PM |
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that's alright, I already know how to use my hand

Posted by: hessone | November 30, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

The 'skins are 3-2 against winning teams. Four of their last five games are against teams with winning records.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 30, 2010 5:29 PM

One could interpret that to mean that the best teams are looking past us, and we are their "trap" games.

Posted by: edvar | November 30, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

One guy threw haymakers, one guy threw zero punches. Johnson ripped Finnegans helmet off the previous play (I think), so that's the rules of engagement.

Total double standard AJ definitely should have got a harsher sentence because he threw punches.

If you disagree you're wrong, period!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 30, 2010 5:32 PM


Nice job peabrain. Way to leave it open for discussion.

Because your word is final and cannot be challenged, right?

Posted by: edvar | November 30, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

why is ok for AJ to be a punk and not CF?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 30, 2010 5:36 PM


Fighting didn't make Johnson a punk.

Instigating and then grinning like a little weasel made Finnegan a punk.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 30, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

This is one of the few times I'm 100% okay with Goodell's inconsistent policy. Andre has been great for the game his whole career, just a quiet dominator.

Players across the league respect the way he goes about his business. 'innegan (no F because he got it knocked out of him Sunday) is a notorious cheap shot artist, and got what he had coming. It should have been a suspension for Andre and maybe innegan too, but this time around I'm okay that it wasn't. Can't wait to see how Goodell handles the next brawl, he's set a dicey precedent.

Posted by: AdamCr | November 30, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

One guy threw haymakers, one guy threw zero punches. Johnson ripped Finnegans helmet off the previous play (I think), so that's the rules of engagement.

Total double standard AJ definitely should have got a harsher sentence because he threw punches.

If you disagree you're wrong, period!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 30, 2010 5:32 PM


Nice job peabrain. Way to leave it open for discussion.

Because your word is final and cannot be challenged, right?

Posted by: edvar | November 30, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

got your attention. No one up here needs an invitation.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 30, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

why is ok for AJ to be a punk and not CF?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 30, 2010 5:36 PM


Fighting didn't make Johnson a punk.

Instigating and then grinning like a little weasel made Finnegan a punk.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 30, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

one guy threw punches one guy didn't. I think there is a clear line there and one guy crossed it one guy didn't, he just smiled.

But AJ scores TDs so people take his side. Double standard.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 30, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

No, the fines were totally inappropriate and unfair.

I can't believe they fined AJ - a travesty of justice. They should have given him a medal.

When a snot like Finnegan openly declares that his ambition is to play "dirty", he's basically saying "my intention is to play in a fashion where I break rules at other people's expense and get away with it."

Someone like that should get no protection from the rules that he openly intends to manipulate.

Fining AJ makes the league look chump.

The only thing more disappointing about the fine given to AJ is that none of his haymakers landed flush on Finnegan's nose...oh, well, maybe next time.

And if Jeff Fisher does anything less than come out and roundly condemn Finnegan for the type of player that he is, then Fisher should lose his seat on the NFL Competition Committee.

Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

You just can't make with the punching. That is what the NF of L has to prevent. They won't abide having fisticuffs sully their precious, zealously managed entertainment experience. Too much at stake.

So the question is not who was the bigger punk, who instigated, who deserved what, or whatever, it's whether the punishment will prevent future incidents. We'll see.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 30, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Freakzilla, did u see the play before the fight when Johnson knocked finegans helmet off?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 30, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Aj instigated on the precious play, so CF retaliated on the next play. IMO the guy who threw punches should get a bigger penalty.

In hockey if one guy punches and one guy doesn't, the puncher takes a bigger penalty.

Just a bunch of TD lovers taking AJs side. The double standard is offensive, pun intended.

The refs shouldve flagged the previous play and squashed it.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 30, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

why is ok for AJ to be a punk and not CF?

Posted by: pabrian2003


Anyone who has watched more than one half on NFL football the last year or two knows of Finnegan and his dirty play.

AJ let the azz get under his skin. Would love to see a beat down on CF's head in a MMA octagon.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | November 30, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

I have to add my two cents and agree with my other pabrian brother.

One player was composed and knew all along what he was doing.

The other player lost his composure and started swinging.

The idiots defending Andre Johnson are the same mainstream lemmings who haven't gotten over their adolescent-"all that glitters is gold" phase.

pabrian2003,

Those idiots are wrong. They are like that idiot chick who roots for a team because of their jersey color.

ooooooh Andre Johnson is a better player than Cortland Finnigan, so therefor he's cooler and should be able to swing on anybody that is not as cool as him ooooooh

BS

Posted by: pabrian2008 | November 30, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

PFunk, that's the type of player jeff fisher was on buddys D, so your expecations are off IMO.

A lot of defensive players have that attitude, "arrive quickly and with bad intentions"

doesn't surprise me that so many are taking the more popular players' side, even though AJ instigated on the previous play and the refs didn't throw the flag.

If AJ can pop CF in the head and the refs won't call it then CF popped AJ on the next play and forced the refs to do their job, that's good tough defense!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 30, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

then Fisher should lose his seat on the NFL Competition Committee.

Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2010 6:51 PM

Fat chance skunk.

Fisher not only allows violence in his lockerroom, but he encourages it.

Posted by: pabrian2008 | November 30, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | November 30, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

and anyone who watches football knows it's a brutal sport that glorifies thugs, so don't pretend it isn't or has ever been different

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 30, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

it's whether the punishment will prevent future incidents. We'll see.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 30, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse


Future incidents will be prevented when the NFL gets serious about punishing dirty cheap-shot artist instigators like Finnegan more severely.

Apparently Finnegan had already been fined/warned multiple times by the NFL regarding dirty play.

They should adopt an NBA-style running tally of personal fouls/late hits (technicals) on a player with quickly escalating punishments that result in suspensions.

Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

I just wanna say, you guys make lurking this blog worth it. It's always chalked full of win.

Thanks!

Posted by: WishboneJr | November 30, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

"doesn't surprise me that so many are taking the more popular players' side, even though AJ instigated on the previous play and the refs didn't throw the flag." -My Brother

Cosign + 1

Watch out for diesel44, b/c I know he's lurking and I know he'll respond..

He is the biggest mainstream groupie on the blog. If it's popular, he'll defend it no matter how insane or wrong he is.

Posted by: pabrian2008 | November 30, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

AJ let the azz get under his skin.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | November 30, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

AJ defended himself.

Finnegan went with both hands at AJ's face/neck - that's when AJ ripped off that chump's helmet and started to hit back.

Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

AJ defended himself.

Finnegan went with both hands at AJ's face/neck - that's when AJ ripped off that chump's helmet and started to hit back.

Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2010 7:17 PM

Wrong as usual.

On the previous play AJ ripped Finnegans helmet off.

Finnegan defended himself or else who was to stop AJ from doing that again, the refs? You?

Posted by: pabrian2008 | November 30, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

pabrian,

I'm gonna tell you something that is not so PR, but it's the truth.

If AJ had been suspended and not CF, there would have been quiet, yet loud rumblings among a "certain crowd of folk" who feel like there is a conspiracy against the darker complected "certain crowd of folk" versus the lighter complected "certain crowd of folk"

Just watch TV and explain to me why the lighter complected "certain crowd of folk" get more run. Or why they photoshop darker "certain crowd of folk" to make them a few shades lighter?

Reddmv
mistamoe
4thfloor
and the other not so obvious brothers here will tell you what I've just told you (is true to some extent) while you're chillin with them playing video games and smoking blunts.


Back to the point=
It would have been bad juju for the NFL to only suspend the darker complected player and not the lighter complected player.

Oh and "certain crowd of folk" = "black people"

Posted by: pabrian2008 | November 30, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

On the previous play AJ ripped Finnegans helmet off.

Finnegan defended himself or else who was to stop AJ from doing that again, the refs? You?

Posted by: pabrian2008 | November 30, 2010 7:21 PM

This was not a two play incident, rather three years of putting up with a dirty punk player.

If you can't see that then you are the idiot everyone thinks you are.

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 30, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

You can't see that and you are the idiot everyone knows you are.

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 30, 2010 7:32 PM |


There, fixed it for you.

I honestly don't understand why everyone continues to engage the 2 biggest trolls ever to post on this blog.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

....Back to the point=
It would have been bad juju for the NFL to only suspend the darker complected player and not the lighter complected player.

Oh and "certain crowd of folk" = "black people"

Posted by: pabrian2008 | November 30, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Finnegan is a "ginger", so your arguement is invalid in this case

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 30, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse


I still don't understand why people up here respond to certain blogger/posters whose only intention is to find out what people think and then be an obnoxious proponent for the opposite POV just to get attention.

It's a tiring act, made only more tiring by responders who feed it with direct responses.

My advice is to treat it the same way you would treat that annoying rattling sound that comes out of your window-unit air-conditioner. Instead of banging it again and again hoping it will shut off, just ignore it and let the mindless droning blend into the background noise.

Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

So this is no worse than James Harrison's late hit on the QB? That's what the NFL is saying.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 30, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

On the previous play AJ ripped Finnegans helmet off.

Finnegan defended himself or else who was to stop AJ from doing that again, the refs? You?

Posted by: pabrian2008 | November 30, 2010 7:21 PM

This was not a two play incident, rather three years of putting up with a dirty punk player.

If you can't see that then you are the idiot everyone thinks you are.

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 30, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

wrong he's the idiot every thinks I am, you have to look closely to see the difference - 2003 vs. 2008

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 30, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Somehow got sucked in scamp. Usually leave it alone...gonna go smash my fingers on the door for that.

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 30, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

I truly think AJ was the instigator and crossed the line by throwing punches. Finnegan's past shouldn't cloud the present or future. I'm not just playing devils advocate.

AJ hit CF in the facemask and knocked his helmet off, so CF hit AJ on the next play and a fight ensued. One player threw punches, one did not. "Jordan Rule" sucks IMO.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 30, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

If Finnegan were in fact breaking rules, the smart, veteran move would be to get in the ref's ear from the beginning of the game saying "Watch this dude" and keep it up all game long. Not complaining, not whining, just saying "Watch this dude." and explaining what rules he's breaking.

And by the way, the smart, veteran coaching move would be sending in videos to the league every week, complaining as loudly as possible that rules aren't being enforced.

If those steps (which I believe are completely within the league rules) aren't sufficient to get flags thrown for illegal acts, then the league has a severe problem.

(And if the provocative acts which some have claimed are against the rules are not in fact rule violations, then God bless players like Finnegan for doing what they do within the rules of the game.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 30, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

So this is no worse than James Harrison's late hit on the QB? That's what the NFL is saying.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 30, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse


A guy running full speed using the crown of his helmet to get someone could cripple/paralyze somebody.

No one is gonna get crippled by a couple of wild haymakers.

Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

This was not a two play incident, rather three years of putting up with a dirty punk player.

If you can't see that then you are the idiot everyone thinks you are.

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 30, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Then the league and the refs are to blame for letting this behavior go on for so long, and only dealing with it when it has escalated to far

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 30, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

wrong he's the idiot every thinks I am, you have to look closely to see the difference - 2003 vs. 2008

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 30, 2010 7:41 PM

Congrats pabrain! You've finally made it! You have your very own troll that mocks your flamboyantly stupid posts. I truly don't know how you find your car when you leave your house, each step is a mini miracle.

I'll take 2008 version over the 2003..

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 30, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

You can't see that and you are the idiot everyone knows you are.

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 30, 2010 7:32 PM |


There, fixed it for you.

I honestly don't understand why everyone continues to engage the 2 biggest trolls ever to post on this blog.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

'Third man in' is a penalty too

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 30, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 30, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Finnegan is a repeat offender who'd been warned by the league.

He's been flagged during games, he's been fined b/c of video.

THe only problem is that a couple of $7500 fines aren't going to dissuade someone who's self-proclaimed ambition is to be the dirtiest player in the league from fulfilling his dream.

You're right. THe NFL has a problem b/c the rules don't crack down on dirty cheap-shot artists.

That's why I was saying they need to start getting medieval the way the NBA did regarding player-whining and technicals.


Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Finnegan was protecting his island, is he not a pro bowl CB?

deez44 = hater

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 30, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

BTW. Finnegan is such a punk that Kubiak gave AJ a game ball for his pummeling of that dude from the Jersey Shore.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 30, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

I would like the original Curzon417 back.

D44 = Sorry about the cheapshot earlier but I love when you and my brother go at

I'm just trying to be the dirtiest blogger on Redskins Insider

Posted by: pabrian2008 | November 30, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

I remember the days of 300-500 posts in a working day on this blog. Ah those were good times...good times indeed.

Posted by: TWISI | November 30, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Then Jason Reid and Co. came along.....

Posted by: monk811

Well yeah, and congrats to those who couldn't wait for Jason LaC to loeave.

In truth the idiots and the haters and the juveniles here have driven away many if not most of the thoughtful posters.

Reading this tripe all day can actually cause a person to become cynical.

Posted by: TheCork | November 30, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Soon, scott will show up and then precisely 3 minutes and 11 seconds later beep-beep will ride the wave.

That mix is the Hemlock.

Nothing likea mother and father putting the little RI kids to sleep...Zzz

Posted by: pabrian2008 | November 30, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

D44 = Sorry about the cheapshot earlier but I love when you and my brother go at

I'm just trying to be the dirtiest blogger on Redskins Insider

Posted by: pabrian2008 | November 30, 2010 8:01 PM

No problem Chia..

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 30, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Fact that no RI blogger is keen enough to notice:


[{(TheCork is a pabrian groupie)}]

Posted by: pabrian2008 | November 30, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

I do agree with TheCork. I rarely post b/c my interests, genuine discussion of matters football, don't seem to match the interests of most who post here.
I remember when I posted the hemmy/hammy question (days of great barroom like bluster and accusation and all in good fun!), NateinthePDX wondered if the blog had peaked. That was some 4 years ago! and the blog has continued. But what is now missing is the f-u-n and the camradie that was felt by all. Even the challenges to fight were laughed at (uh, how do you land a virtual roundhouse, anyway?). So, I think the decline of RI is directly related to the era of handhelds and the wont of children to text and msg while they should be paying attention in school. Why are adults vying for time on the swingset in the schoolyard?
PS hecklers are, as my mother would say, pussywillows. BTW, pussywillow is the root for the modern poussy that everyone thinks is obscene.

Posted by: MrChili | November 30, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Somehow got sucked in scamp. Usually leave it alone...gonna go smash my fingers on the door for that.

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 30, 2010 7:42 PM

Oh crap!

Is that the penalty?

I think I'm the idiot that started it by calling him out for self congratulating himself again. He does that so often I bet he has fur on his hands...

I'll try the fingers-in-the-door thing next. Maybe then I'll learn.

Posted by: edvar | November 30, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

I'll try the fingers-in-the-door thing next.

Posted by: edvar | November 30, 2010 8:19 PM

Don't do it. You will hurt yourself. Kerzon is a professional. He's had enough tequila that he won't feel a thing.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 30, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Devil's advocate: people up here killed Santana when he got into it last year. Johnson and Moss both lost their cool; the antagonists wins when you lose your cool. The agonists wins by burning their opponent for multiple TDs. This is schoolyard 101.

What you do is get someone to move their car from the stadium parking lot parking lot and leave it in Music City with a sign that says "I hate rednecks"

Or leave fudge dragon all slumped over like a little brown ragdoll in one dudes shoes.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 30, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Oh and Deez4gottherestofyourname, I hope you had a Happy No-Carb-Thanksgiving.

Posted by: pabrian2008 | November 30, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

"one OF dude's shoes"

I'll get it one of these days.

F Dallas?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 30, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Peace RI

Mother says us pabrain brothers have to go to bed during the second half of the o'reilly factoid show.

Insert Image of older pabrian using one hand as a sheild to whisper to younger pabrian, because he doesn't want mommy to spank him

She say were too young for his mature material. We share a bunk bud upstairs..guess who's on top ?

You guys should thank me is scott never shows up twonight. However that's about as likely as chrislarry skipping a meal

oh a i saved the best for last

you won't be hearing from us pabrian brothers for the rest of the night.

Posted by: pabrian2008 | November 30, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Good riddance perineum. Guess you guys haven't figured it out yet that the peabrains are perineum/skinshaveaGM/sports_guru etc. Pathetic...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

So what are we looking for outta the Skins the rest of the year? Being a koolaid drinker yet realist I do not share h8's assessment that we'll win out. I'm looking for continued improvement in learning the offense. I think our defense is topped out because of talent. I think McNabb and the offense have a way to go. I also would like to see some new blood on the oline. Would be nice to see if ANY of the young uns can stick. No way to tell that in practice (at least I can't cuz I'm not there.) A couple wins and the rest close games means that we aren't too far behind the rest of the NFC East. That's what I'm looking for. I've seen a little of it in the offense in the last few games. The first drive showed improvement yet drops and regression in playcalling doomed the rest of the game. What say you intelligent beings. The rest please scroll past (guess I shoulda put this at the beginning.)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Don't do it. You will hurt yourself. Kerzon is a professional. He's had enough tequila that he won't feel a thing.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 30, 2010 8:32 PM

Thanks Beeps. I owe you big!

Posted by: edvar | November 30, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MrChili | November 30, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MrChili | November 30, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse


Boo-hoo, ladies.

If you don't know how to ignore the trolls and jump into a legit discussion, then by all means, pop in your Springsteen "Glory Days" single and pine for JLa.

Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Boo-hoo, ladies.

If you don't know how to ignore the trolls and jump into a legit discussion, then by all means, pop in your Springsteen "Glory Days" single and pine for JLa.

Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse


Meant to include Cork on that one too.

And I think that's 15 consecutive posts where he has to mention being "cynical" at some point.

Aging that poorly, eh?

Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

And I think that's 15 consecutive posts where he has to mention being "cynical" at some point.

Aging that poorly, eh?

Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2010 9:18 PM

Au contraire, mon amis! He's not getting older -- he's getting better. For Cork "cynical" is the mellowing that comes with age. He used to be angry, bitter, and misanthropic.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 30, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

So what are we looking for outta the Skins the rest of the year?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse


1) More Terrence Austin, Fred Davis and Brandon Banks involved in the offense.

2) McNabb showing a better grasp of offense.

3) Audition some new folks on the Oline that haven't been getting run.

4) Figuring out some way to reconcile (2) and (3)

5) Younger guys getting reps on defense to see what's there: Jarmon, Riley, Barnes

6) Beating Dallas

7) Losing non-Dallas games so that we can get positioned for a higher draft pick

Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Meant to include Cork on that one too.

And I think that's 15 consecutive posts where he has to mention being "cynical" at some point.

Aging that poorly, eh?

Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2010 9:18 PM

You did include Cork. You said ladies.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Reddmv
mistamoe
4thfloor
and the other not so obvious brothers here will tell you what I've just told you (is true to some extent) while you're chillin with them playing video games and smoking blunts.

I object to this listing as I don't play video games.

And just what the F is an "..not so obvious brother.."?

Are you suggesting that my quality of Negritude is not what it should be?

Do you have me confused with Malcolm X or Wayne Brady?

Listen: I had fried chicken and red beans and rice with a glass of red kool aid for dinner.

I think that qualifies me as a brother.


Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

And just what the F is an "..not so obvious brother.."?

Are you suggesting that my quality of Negritude is not what it should be?

Do you have me confused with Malcolm X or Wayne Brady?

Listen: I had fried chicken and red beans and rice with a glass of red kool aid for dinner.

I think that qualifies me as a brother.


Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse


He's talking about folks like me, Moe.

Straight-up white suburban guys who also have the capacity to roll w/ "homies" on the blogosphere b/c of my cross-ethnocultural acumen.

Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

"So what are we looking for outta the Skins the rest of the year?"

I'm looking for Shanny to continue to do what he feels like he needs to do to win this Sunday, even if that means playing some banged up players. He also needs to be either really lucky or really shrewd in choosing his match-ups against their D.

"I also would like to see some new blood on the oline."

If we lose this Sunday, then we should go into "tryout mode" and bring up youngins like Cook and Capers to see what they have. Maybe IR Torain and give Davis 12-18 touches regardless of performance against the Bucs to see what he can do when he gets into a rhythm. Continue to develop Darrel Young and Keiland Williams.

And for God's sake rest Banks, Lo, and especially Landry--no need to risk serious injury or further wear-and-tear for a lost cause. BTW, I'm not saying we should totally bail, just be selective in giving the bottom of the depth chart some PT across the board at select times.

"A couple wins and the rest close games means that we aren't too far behind the rest of the NFC East."

If we win this Sunday, then we should go on an all out push to win the NFC East. We'll need help, but I don't think a wild card is in the offing. If the stars align and about a dozen of us simultaneously sacrifice a goat at midnight on the winter solstice (or Edvar smashes ALL of his fingers in the door), we could even lose a game to Jacksonville and still win the Beast if others crap the bed.

"I've seen a little of it in the offense in the last few games."

IMO the flashes we've seen since MNF Debacle '10 have been KS disguising our weaknesses (cough! running game) for a drive or two. That said, if Cooley and Moss can get their heads straight and focus on catching the ball, we might be singing a different tune. (You know, it's the one AA sings; DMac hasn't fully learned that tune yet either).

"What say you intelligent beings."

My bad, you should have put that up front.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 30, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

p1funk

Straight-up white suburban guys who also have the capacity to roll w/ "homies" on the blogosphere b/c of my cross-ethnocultural acumen.


My unattractive big-booty daughters want to marry a guy like you.

Why?

Good credit, what else.


Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Is MistaMoe gonna have to choke a b!tch?!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 30, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

My unattractive big-booty daughters...

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2010 9:36 PM

Are they unattractive or big booty? Can't be both.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 30, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

So what are we looking for outta the Skins the rest of the year?


We'll see and improving passing offense, poor running game, and wack defense.

That equals a finish of 6-10, top 10 draft slot in a draft loaded with quarterback and wide receiver prospects.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

So what are we looking for outta the Skins the rest of the year?


We'll see and improving passing offense, poor running game, and wack defense.

That equals a finish of 6-10, top 10 draft slot in a draft loaded with quarterback and wide receiver prospects.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

p1funk

Straight-up white suburban guys who also have the capacity to roll w/ "homies" on the blogosphere b/c of my cross-ethnocultural acumen.


My unattractive big-booty daughters want to marry a guy like you.

Why?

Good credit, what else.


Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse


My credit rating is immaculate...

Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep

Are they unattractive or big booty? Can't be both.


A woman can't have a big booty and be unattractive?

You obviously are a man who has never been in a ghetto strip club at 5 am when the lights are turned on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

1) More Terrence Austin, Fred Davis and Brandon Banks involved in the offense.

2) McNabb showing a better grasp of offense.

3) Audition some new folks on the Oline that haven't been getting run.

4) Figuring out some way to reconcile (2) and (3)

5) Younger guys getting reps on defense to see what's there: Jarmon, Riley, Barnes

6) Beating Dallas

7) Losing non-Dallas games so that we can get positioned for a higher draft pick

Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2010 9:26 PM

I agree with all but the last. Can't keep a fanbase by losing. I want them to learn by winning.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Au contraire, mon amis! He's not getting older -- he's getting better. For Cork "cynical" is the mellowing that comes with age. He used to be angry, bitter, and misanthropic.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 30, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse


He's def getting older...we haven't had a lecture about journalistic integrity in a long time...dude is getting tired alot quicker..can't go the distance...needs more naps.

Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

That equals a finish of 6-10, top 10 draft slot in a draft loaded with quarterback and wide receiver prospects.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

One more game we win? Really? I'll stick with my preseason prediction and say we win 2 for 7-9. And no thanks to the WR/QB pick unless you can suggest a can't miss pick?

I'm still rooting for winning the NFC East with some help, but Wildcard hopes are finished IMO.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 30, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

How would we do with last year's defense and this year's offense? (This year's special teams too.)

And this place has never been anything other than stupid. It's just a different stupid now.

Posted by: mack1 | November 30, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

And for God's sake rest Banks, Lo, and especially Landry--no need to risk serious injury or further wear-and-tear for a lost cause. BTW, I'm not saying we should totally bail, just be selective in giving the bottom of the depth chart some PT across the board at select times.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 30, 2010 9:35 PM |

This part I don't agree with. Can't rest guys cuz you're afraid. These dudes need reps and learnin'. Case in point: Favre ran for a first down to seal the win for the Viqueens while Lo stood there watching not knowing what to do.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

And this place has never been anything other than stupid. It's just a different stupid now.

Posted by: mack1 | November 30, 2010 9:55 PM |


Seriously?


Seems like the same old stupid to me...

Posted by: edvar | November 30, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2010 9:26 PM

I agree with all but the last. Can't keep a fanbase by losing. I want them to learn by winning.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse


Eh.

Let's win next season when we have a chance...

...after we draft Justin Blackmon at around #10.

Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

romo

And no thanks to the WR/QB pick unless you can suggest a can't miss pick?


Remember: there is no such thing as a 'can't miss pick'.

So, you gotta have some kind of established criteria.

Any player who's had 3 years as a starter in a major program in an NFL-lite offensive system is worth a top 15 selection.

The obvious choices come the time we pick? (maybe picks 7-15):

Julio Jones

Ryan Mallet

Jake Locker

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm still rooting for winning the NFC East with some help, but Wildcard hopes are finished IMO.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 30, 2010 9:52 PM


Soooo....

The Wildcard is out, but Winning the NFC East is still on the table?

Mack1 - see what I mean?

Posted by: edvar | November 30, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

This part I don't agree with. Can't rest guys cuz you're afraid. These dudes need reps and learnin'. Case in point: Favre ran for a first down to seal the win for the Viqueens while Lo stood there watching not knowing what to do.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

I don't have any specific knowledge of this, but 980 was saying earlier that Laron's calf/achilles injury has been ongoing and is now serious; he risks a complete tear by continuing to play. That's just what they say. If we take this at face value, would you still want to play him if we can't make the playoffs? Wasn't that the beginning of the end for Jansen (or was it the freakish ankle snap?).

I'll def give you Lo, and possibly Banks--not sure what his risk is for continuing to play but dude is still the most exciting player we have.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 30, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

I'll def give you Lo, and possibly Banks--not sure what his risk is for continuing to play but dude is still the most exciting player we have.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 30, 2010 10:08 PM |

It's different if dude is already injured. We're not going to the playoffs so sit him.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

p1funk

My credit rating is immaculate...


Sure.

I believe it.

And when you meet my 21 year old daughter and her 7 year old son, she'll tell you she's a virgin.

And you'll believe that, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

And when you meet my 21 year old daughter and her 7 year old son, she'll tell you she's a virgin.

And you'll believe that, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2010 10:12 PM |

So she adopted? Oh wait, you mean she's lying.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see any o yall call corland or android a pnk to his face ("ponk" in proper dc black vernakular), wattie is a ponk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6pE-2g4hZU&playnext=1&list=PL045CAD2E7FC517E6&index=2

Posted by: frak | November 30, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse


Yeah, that's him...

...I believe he caught 2 TDs in Carrolton Lock-up...

Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

There's been some noise up here of late about grabbing a Center in the first round (which I'm not crazy about).

Aside from Stefen Wisniewski from Penn State and maybe Kristofer O'Dowd from USC, are there any other top flight Center prospects out there that anyone's aware of?

It seems as though the draft is pretty rich with Guards this year, so we should be able to get some pretty good talent there.

Posted by: edvar | November 30, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

This is Justin Blackmon


I read somewhere that Justin Blackmon might just be the best player in next year's draft.

We'll see.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

I read somewhere that Justin Blackmon might just be the best player in next year's draft.

We'll see.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse


In 11 games, he's got 102 catches, 1665 yards and 18 TDs...plus a 69-yard rushing TD...and no fumbles...

...yes, and a DUI charge...

...but Vincent Jackson has a couple of those and it's not preventing some folks up here from throwing $50 million at him...

Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

...but Vincent Jackson has a couple of those and it's not preventing some folks up here from throwing $50 million at him...

Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2010 10:26 PM |

Yes, and those people are morons. I'm not saying don't draft him because of it. I'm saying that $50 million vor VJ is ridiculous. I'm not real big on drafting a WR in the first. We need linemen on both sides. A good center can be had in the 2nd but a NT? I don't know. I am one of those "BPA" guys though.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm still rooting for winning the NFC East with some help, but Wildcard hopes are finished IMO.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 30, 2010 9:52 PM


Soooo....

The Wildcard is out, but Winning the NFC East is still on the table?

Mack1 - see what I mean?

Posted by: edvar | November 30, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Edvar, F you and your door jamb.

Here's the current wild card picture for the NFC:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/standings/playoffrace

Giants have: Skins, Vikings, Iggles, Packers, Skins.

Iggles have: Texans, Giants, Vikings, and the Cowgirls twice.

Saints have: Bengals, Rams, Ravens, Falcons, Saints

Bucs have: Falcons, Skins, Lions, Seahawks, Saints

Packers have: 49s, Lions, Patriots, Giants, Bears

Seahawks have: Panthers, 49s, Falcons, Bucs, Rams

Would you take our chances vs our division (2 teams with 2 more wins than us) or the rest of the NFC, all of whom have 2 more wins than us except for New Orleans, who has 3 more wins than us (excepting NFC west, they aren't bringing two teams).

So, which way do you want to go?

BTW, I said:

"If the stars align and about a dozen of us simultaneously sacrifice a goat at midnight on the winter solstice (or Edvar smashes ALL of his fingers in the door), we could even lose a game to Jacksonville and still win the Beast if others crap the bed."

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 30, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 30, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

The obvious choices come the time we pick? (maybe picks 7-15):
Julio Jones
Ryan Mallet
Jake Locker

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2010 10:01 PM

This is the only way I will deviate from Diesel44's rebuild set for seasons 2011-2012. If we ended up with a draft pick in the single digits to 15 then it has to be BPA unless we can trade down.

If we're stuck with the pick. This team has way to many needs not to get an impact player early in the draft if they can't trade back.

Considering the top 5-8 guys would be off the board we'd still have an opportunity to grab one of these impact guys.
Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
Marcell Dareus, DE/DT, ‘Bama 3-4 DE
Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
Nick Fairley, DE/DT, Auburn 3-4 DE
Prince Amukamara, CB, NEB
Da’Quan Bowers, DE/DT, Clemson 3-4 DE
Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas
Adrian Clayborn, DE/DT, Iowa 3-4 DE
Von Miller, DE/OLB, T A&M OLB to be paired on the other side of Orakpo
Allen Bailey, DE/DT, Miami 3-4 DE
Akeem Ayers, DE/OLB, UCLA OLB to be paired w/ #98

If they can get a late 1st and a middle second then I'd go with 3 of these guys
Mike Pouncey, G/C, Florida , Stefan Wisniewski, C/G, Penn St, Kristofer O’Dowd, C/G, USC: all three have the ability to come and start at either C or OG.

Jerelle Powe, DT, Ole Miss NT a la Vince Wilfork
Lee Ziemba, OT, Auburn: think Jon Jansen a 10 YR RT.
Quan Sturdivant, ILB, UNC
Malcom Floyd, WR, ND
Deunta Williams, FS, UNC

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 30, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 30, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Edvar, forgot to mention we play 4 games against the aforementioned teams--Gints twice, Cowgirls and Bucs once respectively. That's three games in division, with one other in conference, and one more out of conference. Thus, if voodoo is legal and we use it, we could still win our division if others f*ck up something fierce. And what's our in-conference record?

F cynicism.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 30, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

RomoLB - chill, I was kidding.

Personally, I don't think we have a chance at either. Not with our O line and RB situation and a D ranked dead last. Not a good formula for a late season run for glory.

Beeps talked me out of smashing my fingers, but I am willing to sacrifice a goat if it will help.

And I will be watching and rooting for the Skins ever Sunday until the biter end - much like you I suspect.

Posted by: edvar | November 30, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Edvar, all good. I'm pretty sure they won't, just trying to make my contribution to the jibba-jabba.


"Personally, I don't think we have a chance at either. Not with our O line and RB situation and a D ranked dead last. Not a good formula for a late season run for glory."

Agreed. Thanks for the goat.

No doubt about the rooting for the Skins!!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 30, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Where can I purchase a goat for killin'?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

i think jesus told us killing goats doesn't work anymore.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | November 30, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Where can I purchase a goat for killin'?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2010 11:07 PM

County or State Fair would be my guess.

Posted by: edvar | November 30, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

i think jesus told us killing goats doesn't work anymore.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | November 30, 2010 11:13 PM

Dude - that was before football. Goats totally work.

You just need a lot of them.

Posted by: edvar | November 30, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

County or State Fair would be my guess.

Posted by: edvar | November 30, 2010 11:15 PM |

Orange County fair? I highly doubt it. Maybe a washed up actress or socialite but not a goat.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Orange County fair? I highly doubt it. Maybe a washed up actress or socialite but not a goat.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

I was thinking Paris Hilton+random goat for blue ribbon, but I guess Kristin Bell had other plans…

http://www.ivillage.com/kristen-bell-goat-twitter/1-b-229669

And I guess Shaq found one.

http://popdirt.com/justin-bieber-hangs-out-with-shaq-in-phoenix/79643/

That's at least 4 willing sacrifices right there...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 30, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

What I find interesting was Lavar's commentary on how the giants perceived the skins, having confidence that the Giants should win. He was referring to the time he was with the giants. I don't think much has changed from their standpoint since Lavar was there. They've won what 7 of last 8? I think that thought process is NFL wide. Teams see the skins and say this is our chance to rack up a 'W'. There was a period, 70-92 - where for the most part, if you went to play the skins you better have your A game or you were going to get an L - even tho there were some down record years. With this bunch, Detroit and St. Louis lick their chops. I think there's greater parity than ever but now that extra inch, that penalty, that dropped ball, that missed interception, is what appears to be the separation of W and L but maybe it really boils down to can the O-line blow anybody off the ball when needed and can the D-line(or what is is now-a-days in a 3-4) stuff the run when needed in a crucial situation, even if that is a first quarter 3rd and 1.... or a 1st quarter 1st and 10. Once they get the lines fixed, then the rest can fall into place, and we can fuss about the QB losing it (or winning it)...

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | November 30, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

If they can get a late 1st and a middle second then I'd go with 3 of these guys
Mike Pouncey, G/C, Florida , Stefan Wisniewski, C/G, Penn St, Kristofer O’Dowd, C/G, USC: all three have the ability to come and start at either C or OG.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 30, 2010 10:46 PM

Diesel - for the record, those are the same guys I've got on my draft board. I'd take any or all of them.

Also should take a look at Stephen Schilling from Michigan. He's 6-5, 310 and runs 5.1 - 40. Sounds like a guy who could do a little damage up front.

Out.

Posted by: edvar | December 1, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

i haven't been comprehending how serious landry's injury really is, but it figures with this team that the only player to go from good to great is going to end up playing only half the year

banks? from a complete college nobody to nfl very good, but of course he had surgery during the yr and has yet to do/allowed to show much of anything on O

armstrong? from outta the nfl to solid, def solid

LoAl? solid special teamer to solid LB and great special teamer, though he's evened out the last few games, but the yr is taking a toll on everybody now

gano? hahah, ok, but it looks like the guy can really kick the football. i was shown stats comparing him to a. vinatieri in their first 2 years and their stats are almost identical w/ gano getting the nod

Rocky Mac? solid, def solid, but we already know what we r getting out of him, and i dont think any kind of 'emergence' will happen,

LF59? MVP MVP MVP, mos def the player i enjoy wearing the burgundy and gold since ST21 passed, excellent pro all around on and off the field, cant say enough about his style of play and his passion for the game

torain? solid, runs like a bull when he plays, too bad that's only 10% of the time

T-Dub? really good, the best oline we have, but he's been hurt for the past 8 games it seems and it shows

moving forward to 2011, i just dont see many players on the roster who might emerge from good to great, who i have not mentioned and i only mention LF59 b/c he's da man and rocky mac, coooooooley def too, but those drops along w/ moss r just killers, but i think that concussions f-ed up cooley

we just dont have enough draft picks and ability to find supreme talent competing w/ 31 other teams doing the same thing to be super bowl competitive next year

if we could only agree to give up on a year to rebuid, that might be what it takes, but we demand so much and super bowls every year (even though we cant win the damn division) that rebuilding has never been an option (see no draft picks really)

reality hits hard and filling our biggest needs O and D lines plus playmakers just wont be easy w/ our limited resources, that of course we have brought on ourselves

it is what it is and we may not win anything for another generation, look at the eagles, they've been really good for an entire generation and havent won sheeet

but switching teams or not watching or just plain quitting isnt an option b/c the reward for a great nfl team is just so f-in great, i was in the 3rd grade when we last one it and i still remember that season and the super bowl game itself and the moments after

we are "stuck" w/ the team we root for and im okay w/ my team being the Redskins b/c we are the f-in best at everything even though we really arent
dig in, who knows if this is the beginning, the middle or close to the end when we finally get # 4, but getting drunk and high, cooking dope meals w/ fam and friends is really what it's all about AND F DALLAS

HAIL

Posted by: retroskins14 | December 1, 2010 12:30 AM | Report abuse

I ate goat once. It was in a stew in the Dominican Republic. A lot of bone for not that much meat. I didn't get to kill it myself or anything, which looking back on it now, makes it kind of a disappointment.

If the Skins win out, it has to be the no names who do it. The run after Sean Taylor's death under The Todd was like the Bad News Bears (plus a couple few of the regulars like Moss and pre-bone break Cooley plus the once great Portis). Back then, it was the Collins-Yoder show.

Posted by: dcsween | December 1, 2010 6:16 AM | Report abuse

beeps peeps

Posted by: hessone | December 1, 2010 6:19 AM | Report abuse

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