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Lions Missing More than a Heart

We will discuss the ineptitude of the winless Detroit Lions in greater detail later this week, but this team has shown a versatility in its ability to lose games. The Lions have blown large second-half leads, given away games with weird safeties and led wild comebacks attempts that fell short.

You name a way to get whacked, and they've done it.

But do you want to hear something truly remarkable? The Lions have been outscored, 54-0, in the first quarter this season. And you can't blame it on Matt Millen anymore. On the season the Lions have allowed 90 more points than they have scored - that's over just six weeks, folks.

The team passer rating - split between Jon Kitna and the current starter, Dan Orlovsky, is a woeful 72.4. They have given up three return TDs (all on INTs). Opponents have an average time of possession of 35 minutes. (Strangely, the Lions have fumbled 11 times and lost just two; otherwise, imagine how ugly some of these stats would be. For a team this putrid, the Lions' minus-3 takeaway ratio is actually not nearly as bad as one would expect.)

Now, Calvin Johnson is a superstar in the making at WR, and Kevin Smith has stabilized the run game, but the quarterbacking has been disastrous (yielding an average of four sacks per game ain't helping) and the defense has been nonexistent. They have registered just one interception and rank last in the NFL in yards allowed, pulling off the rare feat of ranking 31st against the run and 30th against the pass.

For good measure, they rank dead last in first downs allowed per game and points allowed per game.

By Jason La Canfora  |  October 21, 2008; 10:15 AM ET
 
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4th we are winning and you bring that up. who cares about hurry up offense. hater....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 21, 2008 8:02 AM |

You will care win it matters in trying to win a game.

The Skins are not perfect and JZ has alot to learn!

And to keep you guys grounded, let me tell you this........Plenty of Rookie Coaches have had good 1st seasons with the prior coaches players, but once they try to take control in later years, they go downwards ALOT.

OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD I CAN NAME THESE COACHES WHO HAVE TANKED AFTER THE 1ST OR 2ND YEAR OF DOING A GREAT JOB WITH THE PREVIOUS COACH'S PLAYERS:

*Ralph Freidgen
*Jon Gruden
*The Guy who took Gruden's place in Oakland
*Charlie Weiss
(I had some others but was forced to do some work and they now have left my mind)

And JZ so far is fitting in this categorey.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 21, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

So many

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 21, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I think you can still blame Millen. Not like the new GM's put his stamp on this team.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 21, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

This thought has crossed my mind more than a couple times this season. Zorn is winning with most of Gibbs picked players. The rookie class will only show its colors in time. And from here out, Zorn gets players to coach that Vinny picks. Its too early to make a judgement on Vin's knack for drafting, you have to give it time. Im thinking 3 years, by that time, we will have seen this years picks play 3 seasons and have 2 other draft classes to evaluate. My concern is will Zorn give or know how to give proper input to Vinny on player picks. Like, telling Vinny the Skins need this kind of player at this position. And will Zorn be able to develop players who become leaders, like Gibbs did. Even if Gibbs didnt win another SB, he certainly did well as a GM by picking up good FA's and draft picks. He also helped players develop into leaders, men.

Posted by: TonyButterFingersHomo1 | October 21, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Gweez | October 21, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Maybe this will be the week Devin Thomas does something. Hopefully going back to Michigan will inspire him. Of course at this rate an impact for him would be 3 cathes for 35 yards.

Posted by: skinswest | October 21, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

It's true that some coaches succeed with a former coach's players, but certainly not all. Only time will tell. In the meantime, I'm enjoying the ride. I don't mind that they are winning close. That is the typical way in the NFL. But anytime they have a lead, run off 5-8 minutes, then take a knee and win by 3 or 7, that is not "winning close". That is just good football.

Posted by: frediefritz | October 21, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse


reposted from prior thread.

Posted by: frediefritz | October 21, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD I CAN NAME THESE COACHES WHO HAVE TANKED AFTER THE 1ST OR 2ND YEAR OF DOING A GREAT JOB WITH THE PREVIOUS COACH'S PLAYERS:

*Ralph Freidgen
*Jon Gruden
*The Guy who took Gruden's place in Oakland
*Charlie Weiss
(I had some others but was forced to do some work and they now have left my mind)

And JZ so far is fitting in this categorey.....


Posted by: 4thFloor | October 21, 2008 10:21 AM

I take issue with your choice of comparisons.

Ralph Friedgen You can't compare college coaching to NFL. Zorn is not picking the players, that Vinny's job.

Jon Gruden.....um was a good coach at the Raiders and won a Super Bowl his first year. I HOPE Zorn turns out like this guy!

Bill Callahan (The guy who took Gruden's place in Oakland) Dude its Oakland- nuff said.

Charlie Weiss Once again college coaching is hard to compare to NFL coaching.

Zorn seems to have a good grasp on this team. And yes we can thank Gibbs( and Vinny) for bringing a core of good guys who are mentally tough. But like Gruden was to Tampa, Zorn seems to find ways to get more out of the players than Gibbs did either through coaching and playcalling.

I for one hope he follows Gruden's path to a tee.

Posted by: Predator48 | October 21, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Oh, I think you still pin this on Millen. Charles Rogers, Mike Williams, Joey Harrington, Roy Williams, all high top ten draft picks, all not contributing to the teams success or failure as it were....all drafted under his watch. That is just absolutely disasterous from a team building point of view......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 21, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I think you can still blame Millen. Not like the new GM's put his stamp on this team.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 21, 2008 10:27 AM

Though the new GM will get to make a first impression...2 picks in the first round this year and 1st overall, I assume

Posted by: moo21 | October 21, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

In response to 4thFloor

I don't see how you can say Zorn fits into this category.

You describe these guys as rookie coaches who have done well with old personnel, but fail when they try and take full control.

Now Zorn hasn't even finished his first season, so before labeling him a failure, why don't we wait until he is no longer a rookie coach and can actually fit into your category.

Posted by: lkanner17 | October 21, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

4th, you took my bait...I was obviously kidding......although last week anyone who had a criticism of the team was hater, this week your leading the charge...color me confused...and ugh on the all caps...

Also Gruden should not be on that list, you could make a list that defends your point. Your list doesn't do it.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 21, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Now, Calvin Johnson is a superstar in the making at WR

By Jason La Canfora | October 21, 2008; 10:15 AM ET

He's gonna take a step backwards this week when he faces Carlos Rogers. Never thought I'd be writing that, and half mean it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 21, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I think, if we honestly look at Gibbs 2.0 and compare it to the first 7 games of the Jim Zorn era, we can say this.

The games that we have won, especially against the Saints, the Eagles, the Browns and MAYBE the Cowboys are games that somehow, the JG 2.0 era teams would have managed to lose, mostly through non-aggressive offensive play calling.

That said, there is an X factor with this team, that most of these guys went through the Sean Taylor tragedy together, and as Joe Gibbs once said, "those guys that go through bad things toghether are the guys that can stand up and do good things later on" (or something to that effect)

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 21, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

you could make a list that defends your point. Your list doesn't do it.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 21, 2008 10:42 AM

Yeah and you can also make the opposite list: coaches who did well their first year and for the rest of their career. Whoop-di-dooo. These lists mean nothing, because you have no idea which list Zorn belongs on.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 21, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and on that list - I wouldn't put Friedgen on any list to draw a conclusion from - that is one SJKed up team in College Park - and I think using college coaches to make your point has only limited viability, given the inherent structure of collge recruiting.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 21, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Though the new GM will get to make a first impression...2 picks in the first round this year and 1st overall, I assume

Posted by: moo21 | October 21, 2008 10:39 AM

Detroit's not picking first unless they trade with Kansas City. Everyone in my fantasy league seems to win when they've got someone going against KC.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 21, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

moo, good point. If Mayhew is the guy calling the shots, then he should trade back, trade back, and then trade back again. They've got more than just ONE glaring issue, so multiple picks, more so than 2 first rounders, would solve. He's got a chance to set this team up for years to come.....either for the better or worse...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 21, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and on that list - I wouldn't put Friedgen on any list to draw a conclusion from

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 21, 2008 10:47 AM |

Not on any list? How about coaches that were so fat their first season and continued to gain weight until they couldn't get through the bathroom door?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 21, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

TE - that list I'll put RF at the top of, as well as most likely to wear out a golf cart over the course of a season of practices.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 21, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

As Winston Churchill might say about the Lions, they are a modest little team with a lot to be modest about.

I concur with everyone else -- we need to get CP going (hit 120, hopefully with less than 25 carries) then sit him. I'd love to see Rocky/Alexander get 10-15 carries between them. More than that, I want to see JC air it out. I mean, really air it out. Thomas and Davis with more than 2 a piece; heck maybe even throw one to One-Knee Kelly, if he's biped and active. And most important of all: get that 6th win.

Posted by: LittleSoren | October 21, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

If Mayhew is the guy calling the shots, then he should trade back, trade back, and then trade back again.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 21, 2008 10:47 AM

And it's doubtful that the owners are going to want to pay top money to any players.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 21, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

4th not such a big fan of the caps but I'm not so sure why people are attacking people who do anything but heap praise on Zorn or the Redskins. This team is far from perfect.

State your opinions without attacking the person who doesn't share your point of view people. I learned that in 3rd grade. Some of you have 3rd grade grandchildren and haven't learned it yet.

Posted by: Gweez | October 21, 2008 10:24 AM |

Who was I attacking?

Me using CAPS = Point of EMPHASIS, that's all. Nothing more nothing less.

Maybe if they had the INTERNET when I was in 3RD GRADE I would know BETTER!

Also, who was I attacking? No one. Just making a point of EMPHASIS....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 21, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

TE - that list I'll put RF at the top of, as well as most likely to wear out a golf cart over the course of a season of practices.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 21, 2008 10:51 AM

They're gonna have to get the shock absorbers off a Peterbilt.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 21, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you John D. I think the thing that held the Skins back in Gibbs 2.0 was the lack of a modern day NFL offense. If this offense was in place the last 4 years, this team wins at least one Super Bowl (likely in 2005 and/or 2007). I just hope that the good times keep rollin' and that the Skins make some noise in January!

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 21, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

4th,

I wasn't saying you were attacking anyone. I was defending you. (obviously doing a poor job of it) The caps stuff is still ungooder. Cap=yelling.

Posted by: Gweez | October 21, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Of course I meant Rock, not Rocky. Though I'd love to see Rocky carrying the ball too, after picking off O'v'sky.

Posted by: LittleSoren | October 21, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

>

Wow. You must have a big head. What a loon.

Hey, how's the record for first-year coach who took a losing team and gave it the best record it's had in 10+ years? Zorn isn't George Seifert taking over for Bill Walsh.

And by the way -- "a lot" is two words.

Posted by: bc1123 | October 21, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Some of you have 3rd grade grandchildren and haven't learned it yet.

Posted by: Gweez | October 21, 2008 10:24 AM |

We resent that. We might not be smarter than a fifth grader but we're sure ahead of a third grader, by at least a grade.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 21, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure if anyone touched on this here, but I'm really happy to see Singetary get a shot in SF. I wish he was getting a better situation, but I think he's going to be a great coach. No knock on Zorn, but I really wanted Singletary when Gibbs left. Hope he does well there (except for Week 17, of course).

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 21, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I think all these stats mean nothing at all as we can see with the Redskins. I'm not looking at any teams stats anymore. We had 3 of some of the supposedly "worst" teams statistically in the last two and up-coming opponents. We can all see what happened with that. A loss to the Rams, a squeaker against the Browns, and the Lions coming up hungry for a win as well.

Posted by: mbroo1 | October 21, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I wrote that because all I'm saying is, this dude ain't perfect. And there's plenty to work on.

And you can compare college with NFL as far as personnel, IMHO.

All I'm saying is this is JZ's 1st year. Let's enjoy it while it's happening and hope they progress to get better as the season goes forward.

Like Vinny said, it's too early to peek at this time in the season.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 21, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Sorry Gweez. That's what I thought at 1st until I reread it.......

I know some of you hate caps, but just know most words in the dictionary have multiple meanings, and I'm using meaning #2, not #1......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 21, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I have a big problem with this blog today ... but only on the title of the thread.

The Lion was missing courage. The Tin Man was missing a heart.

I disagree with everybody suggesting pushing Portis to a dollar by halftime. I say play Portis plenty, but as a block/chip blocker for Jason Campbell in the passing game. Jason Campbell needs to get back on the tempo track of being able to convert in the passing game. THAT'S how the Skins were able to be successful against the Saints, Cards, Eagles, and Cowboys. His ability to get a rhythm got disrupted by the Rams. And Zorn didn't come back to it with the Browns (something about a groin).

Browns had (have) a tough secondary. Not so much with the Lions. I say its time to refocus on the passing game. Protect the passer (both Portis and, if necessary, Heyer). Get yards for the pass catchers. Score lots of points. Steal the Lions in the roar.

Posted by: dcsween | October 21, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

+++Lions Missing More than a Heart

We will discuss the ineptitude of the winless Detroit Lions in greater detail later this week, but this team has shown a versatility in its ability to lose games. The Lions have blown large second-half leads, given away games with weird safeties and led wild comebacks attempts that fell short.

You name a way to get whacked, and they've done it...----JLC +++


I've often defended Jasno against those who call him a Redskin hater. But I can't help him here. If Redskin players read this and believe this crud, the Lions will no longer be winless after Sunday.

Of course the Lions are awful. But any pro team can beat any overconfident other pro team on any Given Sunday. Just showing up doesn't get it done.


Posted by: TheCork | October 21, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

4thFloor:

I understand the concept of "keeping people grounded", or in Zorn's words "medium." However, you seem to only be trying to bring people down and speak in negative terms and forsee negative outcomes for the future of the Redskins. And for that I have to say screw off. You are a bamma. Stop hatin'. Be negative elsewhere.

Posted by: marleyb313 | October 21, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

+++4th we are winning and you bring that up. who cares about hurry up offense. hater....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 21, 2008 8:02 AM +++

I don't agree with 4th's post either. But calling someone you disagree with a "hater" is as bad as calling someone who calls someone a "hater" a moron. So I'm not calling you a moron, but it crossed my mind.

I guess that makes me a hater.

Dang, life is complicated.


Posted by: TheCork | October 21, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure if anyone touched on this here, but I'm really happy to see Singetary get a shot in SF. I wish he was getting a better situation, but I think he's going to be a great coach. No knock on Zorn, but I really wanted Singletary when Gibbs left. Hope he does well there (except for Week 17, of course).

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 21, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Agreed on that, I cant really say i thought we were gonna get him that would have been a roundabout way to get a D cor as a head coach but i am very happy for him. Everytime i see this guy speak he seems like one of the more intellectual and passionate football people i have ever seen, i think its long overdue he got his shot. He is going to turn Patrick Willis into the leagues top defender, if he isnt already. much love to Fletch , Rogers, and Landry.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 21, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

That list you guys want to put Friedgen on ... the one that includes the rhythm about two by four and bathroom doors ... Friedgen ain't got nothing on Kansas' Mark Mangino.

http://media.lawrence.com/img/photos/2004/11/16/2___.jpg

Posted by: dcsween | October 21, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Great article from Matt Mosley on the four-letter network's website: praises the Skins, downs Dallas. My favorite kind!

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfceast/0-4-141/Zorn-never-wavered-after-loss-to-Rams.html

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 21, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Cork I was KIDDING!!! I hate the hater term. That was my whole point. And if you kept reading I said "just kidding" in the very next post......

Last week 4th was calling everyone with an observation that wasn't positive a hater. This week when he proposes a valid arguement for "medium" he has dudes like marley teeing of on him as a "hater" that was the point I was making......


jeesh....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 21, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

cork, cl was kidding.

Posted by: dealer1 | October 21, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Sorry I'm late to the party....want to point out that Gruden's Raiders made it to the Super Bowl, and faced Gruden's Bucs....

Posted by: Cindy Boren | October 21, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

maybe your a moron cork for being addicted to your own rhetoric that you don't even read....I usually defend you, but today you can live firmly on my bama list.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 21, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Agreed on that, I cant really say i thought we were gonna get him that would have been a roundabout way to get a D cor as a head coach but i am very happy for him. Everytime i see this guy speak he seems like one of the more intellectual and passionate football people i have ever seen, i think its long overdue he got his shot. He is going to turn Patrick Willis into the leagues top defender, if he isnt already. much love to Fletch , Rogers, and Landry.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 21, 2008 11:13 AM

Yeah Stu, he also had a hand in making Ray Lewis a Hall of Famer. I saw a great deal of his stuff on NFLN during the Senior Bowl and the guy makes me want to run through a brick wall for him. If anyone can turn the Niners around, it's Samurai Mike.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 21, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Friedgen ain't got nothing on Kansas' Mark Mangino.

Posted by: dcsween | October 21, 2008 11:13 AM

Pizza the Hut from Spaceballs doesn't have anything on Mark Mangino...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 21, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

sween, thanks, dude, I couldn't quite put my finger on what seemed wrong about the thread title, but that's probably because I don't have a brain.

But on the other hand, you'll miss me most of all.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 21, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

dont forget patrick willis, Singletary built that beast too....he will prolly have the 49ers humming by the time we play them. I like singletary a lot as well, but we will have to crush his soul one sunday this fall!!!!!!!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 21, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I didn't catch the kickoff of last night's game (but I gather from up here that Cutler got hurt ... too bad for them ... he was looking like THE QB this season) ... but the pregame suggested that the rumor was Nolan was set to get fired after this NEXT game. Did it already happen and I missed it?

Posted by: dcsween | October 21, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

However, you seem to only be trying to bring people down and speak in negative terms and forsee negative outcomes for the future of the Redskins. And for that I have to say screw off. You are a bamma. Stop hatin'. Be negative elsewhere.

Posted by: marleyb313 | October 21, 2008 11:06 AM

Where is your proof? I'm far from a Negative Nancy when it come to this team. I'm a realist and I back the FO more times than most people on this blog?

I was just pointing out that JZ is doing this with Gibbs peoples. He didn't take over a Detriot, A Houston, or the Raiders......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 21, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

i didn't have a chance to blog it out guys (repeat)...WE WON!!!!!!!!!!!! WE WON!!!!!!!!!!! a HUGE game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hugs and kisses muah muah!!!

so like if jc's groin isn't a problem i'm expecting a huge day from him. portis needs a break. i say 50 points by half and rest the whole team cuz the steelers game is gonna be a bruiser. nice to have a bye week before and after that game.

"yeah i said it!!! i said it!!!!" this is a bye week baby!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | October 21, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Sorry I'm late to the party....want to point out that Gruden's Raiders made it to the Super Bowl, and faced Gruden's Bucs....

Posted by: Cindy Boren | October 21, 2008 11:18 AM

That was the 1st year of Gruden's and Callahan's. Neither of them has made it back since their 1st year.

I want to win (and always predict) a SuperBowl win for the Redskins every year. I don't just want to win the very 1st year of the coach's tenure and never come back. That leaves a bad taste in your mouth, just ask how the Ravens fans how feel about Billick. They all hate him even though he brought home a Trophy...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 21, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

You know, its really not that hard for a guy to do a little research ... like NFL.com ... which said that Nolan was, in fact, canned ... and that Cutler did finish the game (crappily). i.e., never mind.

Posted by: dcsween | October 21, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

The Skins offense set the NFL record for consecutive passes without a pick (332). Campbell has extended his team record to 224 passes without a pick. Where, oh where, is "Sports Guru" now?

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Campbell__Redskins_Set_NFL_Interception_Record_25655.jsp

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 21, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I will stop, though as I don't want to get too ahead of myself (as I have done on my previous post).....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 21, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

4th, to make the arguement that Gruden is a bad coach is not one worth making.....he isn't, he is a good coach.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 21, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

i didn't have a chance to blog it out guys (repeat) ...

Posted by: dealer1 | October 21, 2008 11:33 AM

Didn't have a chance? You were up here crazy talking all day yesterday! That said, prattle on ...

Posted by: dcsween | October 21, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

That leaves a bad taste in your mouth, ...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 21, 2008 11:34 AM

... I see, so its kind of like Domino's Oreo Pizza?

Posted by: dcsween | October 21, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

4th, to make the arguement that Gruden is a bad coach is not one worth making.....he isn't, he is a good coach.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 21, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I'd say he's medium. Maybe medium well. He's got the ring though...

Posted by: Gweez | October 21, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Plus, Gruden swears like a sailor.

Posted by: dcsween | October 21, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Wait a sec, 4th. I'm confused (shocking, I know). So you don't want the 'Skins to win the Super Bowl this year, because of the chance they might not make it back during the rest of Zorn's tenure?

Posted by: 4-12 | October 21, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Did they report up here that Jansen reclaimed the starting job? Just read it on cnnsi.

Posted by: Gweez | October 21, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

just ask how the Ravens fans how feel about Billick. They all hate him even though he brought home a Trophy...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 21, 2008 11:34 AM

That's because he's an arrogant prick and he never developed a QB, which was supposed to be his specialty. If Boller or Grbac could play, he'd still be there. Since Zorn has a QB, I think he'll be alright.

Isn't that the great equalizer? Look at the guys 4th was listing: Callahan, Gruden, Billick--those guys went to the Super Bowl with great defense and old "game manager" type QBs that weren't the long-term answer. Zorn's a step ahead of those guys because JC's for real.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 21, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Um. Ill take a suber bowl if it means he does nothing and lives a miserably terrible life following it, its a super bowl. Nothing against him but cmon, btw these arent ravens fans.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 21, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

i hate typing into this little pad on iphone...no subsitute for a regular size keyboard...and don't much have access to a laptop at home...

so like i don't get it...portis was running WILD all game last game...so why are people complaining that zorn wasn't agressive? isn't the whole point taking what the defense gives you and not force anything? AND they're up by 11 5 minutes to go...if portis doesn't fumble it's over. and the reason portis apologized vehemently was because i think portis felt he was being selfish...he was trying to hit a homerun when a homerun wasn't needed...by the team...

Posted by: dealer1 | October 21, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

4-12 - That's why I posted that last post (not getting too far ahead of myself). That's my bad. I knew it was gonna get interupeted (sp?) like that and I def didnt want it to, but I hit submit while in a mini rage.........

GWeez - JZ said it in his press conference.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 21, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

skinz, yeah it was announced monday at jim's presser but don't know if cindy reported it or not.

jim was like "i'm not an idiot...i don't want to mess up something if it's working..." simply genius!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | October 21, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

"mini-rage"...I didn't realize there was any other fit in which to post in....works well for me....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 21, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

"mini-rage"...I didn't realize there was any other fit in which to post in....works well for me....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 21, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

So True.

Posted by: Gweez | October 21, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Dealer -- it was me you destroyed in FF this week. I gotta do better on defense. I've given up close to 40 FF points to Jackson, Turner and romo. They've all had by far their best days vs Me.

Well, that and Reggie Wayne has gotta get me more than 2 points

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 21, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Actual power rankings have not come out yet at espn, but love how Matt Mosley (mr cowboy) has the girls ranked at 15. How the mighty have fallen!

The Beast pulls back curtain on Power Rankings

October 21, 2008 11:17 AM

Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

As the nation anxiously awaits this week's NFL power rankings, let's take a look at how the Beast voted. As most of you know, the Giants (5-1) and Redskins (5-2) won and the Cowboys (4-3) lost. The Eagles won their bye week convincingly. Here's how I ranked the Beast:

New York Giants -- No. 2 behind the Titans. Yes, I know it's weird to think of the Titans as an elite team, but they keep winning games. The Giants weren't impressive on offense, but the dominating defense was back.

Washington Redskins -- I have them at No. 5 following Sunday's 14-11 victory over the Browns. Running back Clinton Portis is making a mad dash toward a league MVP and the defense stifled Derek Anderson all day. The only reason the Browns scored a touchdown was because of a Redskins turnover.

Philadelphia Eagles -- The bye week couldn't have arrived at a better time. I have the Eagles 11th overall. Players such as Brian Westbrook, Kevin Curtis and Reggie Brown had time to heal. A healthy Westbrook could make all the difference. And the Eagles only trail the Cowboys by a half-game now.

Dallas Cowboys -- What a pitiful display that was in St. Louis. Even Wade Phillips couldn't find a silver lining in this one. I dropped the Cowboys to No. 15 in the power rankings. Pretty amazing for a team that spent the first three weeks of the season at No. 1. And I'm probably being generous with the No. 15 ranking. Haven't heard much from the writers who thought Tony Romo's injury might be a good thing for this team.

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Posted by: Curzon417 | October 21, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

as for the Futa Swim Club team name ...

http://www.pbase.com/faerie_39/image/101671809

you can recognize me by my shoes

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 21, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I smell something...sniff...sniff...

150+ yrds for Clinton Portis...on this horrid defense...

Posted by: wiz-skins07 | October 21, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

CL that was so true to the rage not the "works well for you" part.

Posted by: Gweez | October 21, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I smell...sniff..sniff..

Clinton Portis 150+ rushing yrds...

Portis for MVP
Horton for Rookie of The Year
Rogers for Most Improved Player
Zorny for Coach of The Year

Posted by: wiz-skins07 | October 21, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: Cindy Boren | October 21, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I'm just different, but I couldn't care less about someone's power rankings. I also couldn't care less about who on the team makes the pro-bowl, which as evidenced by Marion making is last year, is a joke. POY, ROY, all that stuff amounts to a hill of shti in my eye's. Win. Defeat the Lions this week. Then defeat who-ever is on the schedule the next week. Lather, Rinse, and Repeat until there are no more games to be played.

This power ranking stuff....who cares....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 21, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Getting here late today but I just wanted to say that it was gruden who led the Bucs in the Super Bowl but that was Dungy's team....

Posted by: Hail2theChief | October 21, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I smell... ... horrible. Gosh I need a shower.

curzon - that's hilarious!

btw, I usually try not to mix politics and football (you've seen me complain of this before).. but here's an interview that does both:

Hard Hitting Interview!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 21, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Correct me if I'm wrong, as I like to recall things from memory not google, but aren't we on a 20 game winning streak against the Lions? we must dismantle this team this week in order to get some momentum rolling. After detroit we face Blitzburgh and then our bye. It is crucial to head into the bye feeling good about ourselves, of course while staying medium.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | October 21, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I smell something...sniff...sniff...

150+ yrds for Clinton Portis...on this horrid defense...

Posted by: wiz-skins07 | October 21, 2008 12:01 PM

I hope so...my fantasy squad needs him to! And about 3 or 4 TDs wouldn't hurt my feelings either!

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 21, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I've been wrong plenty about Skins personnel moves but I've said from Day 1 that Carlos Rogers was going to be a vrey good corner. He had good, not great speed, but he was physical with good instincts and knows how to play press coverage. There is a lot to be said for being able to play physical at the LOS as a DB. If Springs can get healthy, we'd have one of the best trio of corners in the league.

I guess Pittsbrugh lost McFadden for 4-6 weeks with a broken arm, so looks like they'll be down a starting corner too....

Wait, why the hell am I talking about the Steelers...don't we play University of Detroit this week? Michigan St? I forget.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 21, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

***They have registered just one interception and rank last in the NFL in yards allowed, pulling off the rare feat of ranking 31st against the run and 30th against the pass.

For good measure, they rank dead last in first downs allowed per game and points allowed per game.***

Unleash the hounds, I smell blood!

Its time the Redskins offense finally put it all together and play 60 minutes of mistake free dominant football. Don't get me wrong, i am very very pleased with our results so far, but like most if not all of you, i recognize that they are leaving points on the field and not maximizing scoring opportunities. I figure there are three ways it can go when a team racks up lopsided yards gain stats: 1) lose a close one due to suicidal mistakes 2) win a close one by doing enough to win as a team while overcoming the suicidal mistake tendencies 3) totally kick the snot out of the opponent and win going away. Redskins have managed to check off 1 and 2 over the last 2 weeks. To their credit, they are winning lopsided stats victories. Its time for the stats to show up in the ultimate stat...the scoreboard. Get some.

Hail.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 21, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

***They have registered just one interception and rank last in the NFL in yards allowed, pulling off the rare feat of ranking 31st against the run and 30th against the pass.

For good measure, they rank dead last in first downs allowed per game and points allowed per game.***

Unleash the hounds, I smell blood!

Its time the Redskins offense finally put it all together and play 60 minutes of mistake free dominant football. Don't get me wrong, i am very very pleased with our results so far, but like most if not all of you, i recognize that they are leaving points on the field and not maximizing scoring opportunities. I figure there are three ways it can go when a team racks up lopsided yards gain stats: 1) lose a close one due to suicidal mistakes 2) win a close one by doing enough to win as a team while overcoming the suicidal mistake tendencies 3) totally kick the snot out of the opponent and win going away. Redskins have managed to check off 1 and 2 over the last 2 weeks. To their credit, they are winning lopsided stats victories. Its time for the stats to show up in the ultimate stat...the scoreboard. Get some.

Hail.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 21, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

4th floor:
Ralph Friedgen has taken Maryland to 5 bowls in 7 seasons. Before he came in as the coach, Maryland had been truly awful with I think 14 season without a bowl game. His first three seasons the Terps won 10 games. You may want to believe he was a "one-year wonder" but the stats just don't back it up.

I worry about the hurry-up offense, but I'm not sure that's just Zorn. The Redskins weren't much of a hurry-up team under Gibbs either--I'd say that our play in the last 2 minutes of the first half has certainly seemed a bit better than under Gibbs (we actually score points sometimes when given the ball inside 2 minutes).

You fail entirely to connect your first point (the Redskins aren't particularly good at hurry-up offense) and try to turn it into an argument about Jim Zorn's future. Then you attack Ralph Friedgen for being the most successful football coach at Maryland since the '60s. It's kind of hard to take you seriously after that.

Who knows how Zorn will work out? We're less than halfway through his first season. The only thing I can say for certain is his team played in Dallas and Philadelphia like I'd like to see my Redskins play.

Posted by: jjhare | October 21, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

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