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The Lying Game

Okay, I am going to preface this by saying that this is the time of year when the NFL - land of super, double, top secrets - becomes the domain of loose lips. Everyone is lying about everything. Still, there is always a kernel of truth available out there, and here is what I heard from people today. So, with that caveat out there and this duly filed under the "slightly-more-than rumor" category, here's what I have heard:

Looks like the Skins would have to trade to first overall to get Calvin Johnson. I heard today that the Raiders will end up with Culpepper after MIA cuts him (also heard today the Fins asked the KC Chiefs for the proper sizes and specifications of Trent Green's equipment today). So the Raiders take the stud WR to replace Randy Moss - who probably goes to Green Bay - and Russell falls a bit.

Detroit loves Gaines Adams. Have visited with him three times. The coach there might see him as a reincarnation of Simeon Rice, who he coached in Tampa (although some people I talked to him see him as a situational pass rusher who is a third-down guy at the next level). They could probably trade down and still take him, and the Lions have been shopping this pick since right after the combine (when they first explored trades with the Redskins).

Cleveland is deadset on a QB (Lions might be gunshy about taking another Qb so high even if Russell is still there). Cleveland loves Quinn, but I hear the Dolphins do too, maybe even enough to trade up and get him should he still be there at 6th overall (hint, hint).

Tampa loves CJ, but could flirt with a QB, too. They might also end up trying to trade that pick if CJ and Russell are gone.

Arizona really loves the tackle, and his agent happens to be the same guy who represents the new head coach and offensive coordinator there.

So at 6 the Skins could very well have their pick of the defensive players. If they use the pick, I would be stunned if they took someone not names Landry or Okoye (both have completely wowed the team and again, I heard Landry had a killer workout Monday). After those two, Jamaal Anderson and Gaines Adamas would be the next two best options among some people out at The Park, with Calvin Johnson likely ending up the top player on the Skins overall draft board (that will be completed this week after the offensive draft meetings end this week - defense went last week, position by position).

Minn. is set on a Qb or Landry if available, I hear, and Houston will probably draft D, too.

Mia is thinking QB if possible as I said and Atlanta has fallen hard for Okoye (who played for the coach and D Line coach at Louisville) and Landry, enough so to trade up for either. Again, the Skins at 6 could be prime partners. Keep an eye on this, cause at 10, plus getting a second round pick, the Skins might find two really good players in such a trade.

Also, I hear the Skins will have something like 15 kids - on defense only! - at the facility this week, to say nothing of all the offensive players who have come through and still will come through. Is that overkill and indicative of the over-the-top nature of the guy who signs the checks? Is that too many bodies for any team to really handle in a limited time? Is it a little circus-like?

Yeah, probably, but that's the Skins. That's how they roll.

In the end, it doesn't really matter, as the film study, interviews and backround checks should carry the day. If they get the right guy or make a shrewd trade, then more power to them. There remain no shortage of people in that building really hope they trade down, but we'll see what the Snyder/Gibbs axis ends up doing in the war room.

By Jason La Canfora  |  April 16, 2007; 9:19 PM ET
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Posted by: Anonymous | April 16, 2007 9:44 PM | Report abuse

the skins need landry. you need like 10 safties to be a good team

Posted by: Anonymous | April 16, 2007 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Good to hear Jason! I'm pretty happy with the position we're going to be in, big chance of trading down, if not, Okoye or Landry!

Posted by: kost52 | April 16, 2007 9:46 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Anonymous | April 16, 2007 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Now THIS is inside dope. Love it. Straight talk from the man his own bad self. Damn.

By the way, we need an updated scorecard of J-La's offseason prognostications. Who was keeping tabs on this?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 16, 2007 9:59 PM | Report abuse

All sounds good to me!

Okoye or Landry

Its about to be on and poppin',
Shirts off and ****ies droppin'!

Posted by: Big Murf | April 16, 2007 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Any possibility of the Skins trading current players for picks?

Posted by: sicwidit | April 16, 2007 10:07 PM | Report abuse

I did read somewhere that OT Joe Thomas is meant to be visiting on Saturday??

Posted by: kost52 | April 16, 2007 10:09 PM | Report abuse

J-La --

Bro, we missed ya. Love to see this stuff again.

So if Detroit is not taking Russell, then with whom do they trade down? Miami?

I am also down with Okoye or Landry.

Posted by: Paps in Manila | April 16, 2007 10:19 PM | Report abuse

There remain no shortage of people in that building really hope they trade down,

jason, please identify these people. they sound *competent*. they have no say do they? they're probly copy/coffee boys aren't they?

Posted by: dealer | April 16, 2007 10:22 PM | Report abuse

please no Landry. Waste another pick on a another DB in the top 10. Only the Redskins.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 16, 2007 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Not to bash guest bloggers or other posters, but there is nothing like the real deal...Love the insight

Posted by: RBD202 | April 16, 2007 10:23 PM | Report abuse

sicwidit -

Not sure, I think Springs is the most likely candidate, although I think we'll be keeping him. A few days ago someone said Marcus Washington WILL be traded, but there hasn't been too much talk about that.

Posted by: kost52 | April 16, 2007 10:24 PM | Report abuse

You know... if it weren't for the fact that this team just seems "snake-bit" I'd say all options look great.

But we're just do darned good at snatching failure from the jaws of success.

Posted by: Redskinrex | April 16, 2007 10:28 PM | Report abuse

seriously...please no landry...or any defensive player for that matter.

JUST TRADE DOWN MAN! love the idea of going from 6th to 10th and getting a 2nd round pick but with this FO??? no way they pull that off.

jason, you think they'd notice if i just walked in their "war" room right now...?...i can just see st. joe's face...and double D i mean double G trying to riddle me to death...

Posted by: dealer | April 16, 2007 10:29 PM | Report abuse

but you cool would it be if everyone and their maama thought the skins had a bad draft and then just went on a tear once the season began and won the superbowl.

btw, no one answered who's the 3rd QB for the skins? are they gonna go young or old if they don't have one?

Posted by: dealer | April 16, 2007 10:33 PM | Report abuse

dealer -

I agree with you about trading down, I think there's a big chance with Miami at #9 if Quinn is still on the board at #6, so they can nab him before the Vikes, but I reckon that will all depend on what happens with Trent Green.

I love this excitement!!

Posted by: kost52 | April 16, 2007 10:38 PM | Report abuse

dealer, the Skins' roster lists the following dudes at the QB position.

15 Collins, Todd
8 Brunell, Mark
17 Campbell, Jason
5 Bramlet, Casey

And don't forget Antwaan Randle El, who has some QB skills.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 16, 2007 10:39 PM | Report abuse

3rd I think Todd Collins is still 3, with Casey Bramlett 4??

Posted by: kost52 | April 16, 2007 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Gibran Hamdan (technically belongs to MIA, but we could get him back with our '08 #1 pick...)

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 16, 2007 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Good one, cload.

You can read all about Bramlet's offseason side project here, especially if you can read the German:

Only 35 Euros for the best seats in the house for the Sea Devils' home games. Worth every Euro penny.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 16, 2007 10:45 PM | Report abuse

It's good to have more informed speculation from you JLC but could you please post one article or have one appearance on WPL without the biting sarcasm. Too much of it comes off as being obnoxious.

Posted by: David | April 16, 2007 10:51 PM | Report abuse

La Canfora:

Just dropping that knowledge, son! See, this is a blog. That is how you post. I guarantee you ArtMonktotheSticks is going to shutdown his computer, turn out the lights and hide under the bed of his hotel room after he reads this knowledge. He is so nervous this will get jinxed. He did this the year we drafted my favorite Redskin of all time LaVar Arrington. It happened to me in 2004 with Sean Teezee. And now, with Landry. There is no way Russell drops lower than two. I just can't see it happening. I still think he goes #1. I think the Skins love Okoye but he's just too much of a project. I just compare him to Mario Williams who was bigger and nastier and faster and it took that dude 3/4 of a season to figure out where the QB lines up before the snap. Or Broderick Bunckley the son of Satan who murdered the mouths of the young at FSU and he had a tough rookie year. Okoye will get shoved around in year one and we'll be wondering why. But L2, no chance. Immediate impact player who will allow the greatest safety the world has ever seen to do his thing. Plus, the Skins love that he has a brother in the NFL.

Swoop and L2...son.

Posted by: The Governor | April 16, 2007 10:54 PM | Report abuse

kost52, I can't help noticing that the fellow sporting jumper #3 for the Geelong Cats, Mr. Bartel, leads the league with 89 disposals through three rounds. Good grief, that seems a massive number of disposals. Go Cats!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 16, 2007 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Whoops, I had some trouble interpreting the chart or table or whatever. Turns out there are two smug bastards from WBD currently first and third in disposals. Oh well. It's a young season, and Bartel is still doing us proud.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 16, 2007 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Governor, I have a question for you and AMTTS (by proxy): what is the preferred nickname for LaRon Landry? Is it L2, something else? A bomb you're going to wait to drop up here?

We had some suggestions on the last post, but you guys have squatters' rights since you were first in.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 16, 2007 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Nate, we had another good win last weekend! Jimmy Bartel is a gun, he'd probably be decent odds for the Brownlow Medal (our version of MVP) at this stage!

Posted by: kost52 | April 16, 2007 11:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm a pimp.

Posted by: Laron Landry Himself | April 16, 2007 11:23 PM | Report abuse

And who are we going to take at 10th? I trust other people's front office more than ours (ie if we trade down, we are probably losing value.) Last year there wasn't much difference in guaranteed money between the 6th and 10th picks.

In 2006, contracts were:
5th pick) LB 6 years, $37.5 million (approx. $15 million guaranteed)
6th pick) TE 5 years, $25 million ($15.45 million guaranteed)
7th pick) S-CB 5 years, $22.5 million ($15 million guaranteed)
8th pick) S 5 years, total amount undisclosed (approx. $13.5 million guaranteed)
9th pick) LB 5 years, total amount undisclosed ($12.1 million guaranteed)
10th pick) QB $14M guaranteed
11th pick) QB 6 years, $48 million ($11 million guaranteed)

For all these picks, that's a lot of guaranteed cash. So, the big question is is: in trading down 3 or four slots, are we lowering the likelihood that we draft someone who will do well in our system? And how likely is it that a DE or other player we pick in the the second round going to succeed in our system?

Personally, I like the low first round/high second round choices, because the guaranteed money is so much less, the draft picks are sill motivated to listen/play hard, and the picks usually don't play if they aren't ready.

And let's not congratulate anyone in the FO for getting back a second round pick by trading down. If 2nd rounders were so valuable, then they never should have traded it for Rocky, right?

I still love Joe Gibbs and believe he can coach. But, I've got no faith in Potomac Dannyboy's leadership skills or his ability to put in a system that doesn't out-think itself.

Posted by: ironcain | April 16, 2007 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Just finished listening to Eazy E's "Real Mutha******* Gs". Just getting amped up. Nate, the nickname is L2. I thank you for your courtesy. But if we draft L2, we can all share in the glory together. AMTTS just did a show in Regina, Canada. But it's not pronounced that way. As he put it to us, it rhymes with a female part of the body. Literally, I laughed for hours after hearing that.

Posted by: The Governor | April 16, 2007 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like AMTTS is tracing the footsteps of French trappers and Frank Black, who found inspiration up in those parts and even wrote a song entitled "Manitoba" about the province next door. Those people must be starved for good comedy.

Regina, haw haw.

L2 it is.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 16, 2007 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Culpeper, like a telephone pole but less mobile. Only the Raiders would make that dumb of a move while weighing the #1 overall. Did you see their O-line last year? Like matadors without capes. Even the back ups didn't want to go in. Who knows? It sounds just dumb enough for the Cryptkeeper Davis to pull the trigger on that debacle. Definitely would be good for the Skins to get some nice picks for #6.

Posted by: Hatty | April 16, 2007 11:59 PM | Report abuse

If I read correctly, JLC implies that a trade with the ATL would land us at #10. They are now in the 8-hole after the trade with Houston. I doubt they would give up a 2nd rounder to move up 2 spots, but what do I know. If Landry and Okoye are on the board at #6 then maybe ATL takes it chances that Minny won't want the one we don't choose.

Hee haw.

Posted by: Sam Wainright | April 17, 2007 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Do the 'Skins even know how to trade with someone who isn't Denver or the Jets?

Don't see how the Raiders trade for Culpepper and also get rid of Moss. I would think they would want to reunite the two...unless they hate each other now :-)

Posted by: P Diddy | April 17, 2007 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Why Al Wilson should be considered..

First and foremost it would kill anymore talk of Lance Briggs. Secondly, Al Wilson is the kind of versitile linebacker that could play weakside or Middle at an all pro level. He will immidietly provide compition and depth to a linebacking core that could use it. Marcus Washington's Hip worries me, London Fletcher's age will eventually catch up with him. Some will argue it will slow the progress of Rocky-Mac but I argue that Depth at any position is not a bad thing and Rocky will earn his way on the feild alot more this year regardless. Given Wilson's injury he will not get a multi year deal with anybody unless it's insentive laden. He's a great blitzer from the linebacking position and would fit in great with Williams style. You should be able to get him for 1 or 2 years at a reasonable price with out giving up a draft pick. He'll be hungry to get one more pay-day and he's great in the lockeroom. To me, this is the kind of Bargin Shopping the Skins need to do more of.

Posted by: Jay-Hog | April 17, 2007 12:26 AM | Report abuse

you forget that AL wilson Failed a physical with the G-Men

Posted by: KCskinfan | April 17, 2007 12:39 AM | Report abuse

F Al Wilson, can you say M. Barrow part deu!

If the raiders pass on Russell in favor of culpepper they deserve to be turned into an arena league team...

I would be siked with either Okoye or LaRon, even better to trade down to 10 and still get Okoye, that would rule...

Posted by: chris larry | April 17, 2007 12:49 AM | Report abuse

J-La great to have you back and way to represent with the posts!

Not to bring everyone down but on a day like today with the tragedy at VT. . . well once again I do a mental list of all the once and former students I've had who have the capacity for this kind of horror in them . . it sucks to put it in/uneloquently. Happy thoughts happy thoughts. . . .
which oddly and surprisingly brings me to fubol and the Skins . . .

Posted by: sfskin | April 17, 2007 12:55 AM | Report abuse

chris larry - I'm with you and the Raiders. They should institute the Al Davis rule in the NFL . . . the equivalent fo the Marge Schott rule from MLB.

If you are that big a douche and disaster your team gets taken away from you. Once again I ask is Calvin Johnson going to throw passes to himself? Culpepper? Whaaa?

That being said I LOVE the intrigue. . . (although J-la I don't think the NFL would want Boy George singing their theme song, not manly man enough.)

Reading SI today and the talk amongst FO peeps in the league talking about how a lot of first rounders this year would be second or third rounders in past years and they are going to get way overpaid. . . um it's a billion dollar business and it's supply and demand kids. I agree we pay the wrong people too much money (no bias here as a teacher)but if the market will bear it well then give it to the players.

Posted by: sfskin | April 17, 2007 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Final thought before I go beddy bye - I am outraged, OUTRAGED I tell you that Saturn as appropriated the "Mmna Mmna" song!

Is NOTHING sacred anymore?

Hey Cyn Cyty how close are we to 50K for draft day?

Brady Quinn . . . can anyone say Rick Meier? Does anyone remember Rick Meier?

Posted by: sfskin | April 17, 2007 1:03 AM | Report abuse

I really thought Rick Meier was going to be the next Joe Montana. Now why was Tim Couch and Akili Smith ever drafted so high?

Posted by: bangkokben | April 17, 2007 2:23 AM | Report abuse

So Landry at 6, Okoye at 8, maybe Anderson at 9?

According to the draft value charts I've seen online, a trade down from 6 to 8 or 6 to 9 wouldn't merit Atlanta or Miami giving up their early 2nd round picks. But Miami has the 60th overall pick from New England. The #9 and #60 for the #6 comes close to even on the draft value charts.

That leaves the question, do the Redskins have a player or players they love who will fall to 60?

I'm a sucker for a good article or two, so I now love the prospect of picking up Weddle out of Utah.

Not sure if he'd still be there at 60, but Anderson learning from Griffin and Carter while Weddle gets used to covering alongside Taylor sounds ideal.

It is so good to have J-LaC back in the saddle - three topical, insiteful, fact-packed posts in one day.

Posted by: mugamack | April 17, 2007 3:53 AM | Report abuse


John Murphy and Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports report that some NFL types believe that the Buccaneers are planning to make a play for the No. 1 overall pick in the draft.

The selection is currently held by the Raiders, who fleeced the Bucs five years ago out of two first-round picks, two second-round picks, and $8 million for the "rights" to coach Jon Gruden.

"I definitely get the feeling that's where the Bucs are going," an executive from another NFL team told Yahoo!

Though we realize that much of our own stuff comes from unnamed executives and other league sources, it's hard to put much credence in the above quote without knowing who said it. The Browns, for example, would have a strong interest in seeing such a deal go down, since it would ensure that either quarterback JaMarcus Russell or quarterback Brady Quinn will be available when Cleveland picks at No. 3.

Per the report, there is also speculation that the Bucs have offered four first-day picks (No. 4, No. 35, No. 64, and No. 68) for the No. 1 pick. Under the trade chart, however, that quartet of picks falls 130 points short of the value of the first overall selection. As a result, the Bucs would have to give up all of their remaining picks -- with the exception of two compensatory picks at the bottom of round seven -- to make up the entire difference.

Bottom line: If Al Davis is going to give up the No. 1 pick to two of his former employees (Gruden and G.M. Bruce Allen), it will have to be on the Raiders' terms. We wouldn't be surprised to see Davis ask for all of Tampa's picks in 2007 and a first-rounder in 2008.

And we also wouldn't be surprised to see the Bucs give all of it up; for Gruden and Allen, having to worry about not having a first-round pick in 2008 will be a good thing, since it will mean that they did well enough in 2007 to still have jobs. (

Posted by: Anonymous | April 17, 2007 5:21 AM | Report abuse


From the last post... yes a good GK is key...

anyway, JLa, I think ATL likes Landry and Okoye as you say, so if Minny is stuck on QB, and is stupid enough to let that be known, ATL prolly sits tight and sees who falls to 8, either Landry or Okoye.

Now if Minny likes Landry, and Atl likes Landry, we could have a little fun time having them play one-upsmanship with picks.

Then we just fall two spots at most and still get the player we want, Anderson.

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 17, 2007 7:22 AM | Report abuse

Also, to quell the talk of not needing Landry... if we cannot move out of the 6 spot, no DL is worth that pick. We have a lot of needs, so you take best available... at 6 the only one worth that is L2.

And remember that the FO always thinks they can find FA to fill holes, so in their eyes they think they are in a good spot to get a good player who should help immediately and then the scour the FA after June 1 for DL, OG etc...

Also, Grilliams started Reaper as a Rookie.

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 17, 2007 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know if Carriker has been to the Park?

He would be my choice definitively, even if we don't trade down. The more I read and hear the buzz about Landry and Okoye the more I think Landry will be gone and that Carriker is better than Okoye.

Now, as a self professed draft idiot, I will most likely be toasted for this opinion but I just have a creeping feeling that Okoye may not be all that he is billed to be.

Something that sween had in the previous thread struck me as well. "Smart is good. Super smart is better."

Not always and especially not in football and especially not in foot ball on DLine. I played a little end in my time and speed, strength, reflexes and reaction time way outweigh smarts. That's why Dexter was such a stud. Not cause he was a genius.

Thinking too much at DEnd is what got Carter in trouble so much at the beginning of last season. So while I appreciate that Okoye might be a genius and that Carriker is just "football smart", I also would say that that is another big plus in the Carriker column.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 17, 2007 7:34 AM | Report abuse

Wow... didn't think that one would be a thread killer.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 17, 2007 8:36 AM | Report abuse


I am assuming that Carriker is one of the 15 D players due in this week, as JLa reports.

I understand your point of football smarts, but when studying tape, tendencies, etc... it is good to be 'smart' i.e. understanding trends, probablitity etc.

I like Carriker, what I have heard, I like Anderson, dont like Adams (too light in the butt)and Okoye makes me nervous for some reason. I dont think we draft DT since we have Golston and Montgomery from last year.

Obviously I like Landry, and if we trade Springs I like CB Hall below #10 pick (GB and Peterson Falling is how I see us past #10) and as Nate or Sween mentioned yesterday, I love the kicker from Colorado in the second round.

The one thing I notice about all of the Super Bowl teams over the past years was they had a stud kicker. Viniteri was the reason NE won 2 superbowls (need I say Norwood) and then he goes to Indy and they win right away.

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 17, 2007 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Draft down and take Carriker, he'll make the LB's behind him instantly better. Okoye looks to be a phenom (in a year or so) but dropping to 8 then to 21 (Denver wants Levi Brown and Landry and we all know how much our FO loves to give them draft picks) means getting Jarvis Moss, David Blaylock (G) and Moss' teamate Ray McDonald (DT). None nearly as good as Okoye but all upgrades to what we got.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 17, 2007 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Are the visits this week purely coach and Danny interviews or will there be any of the current players involved and giving input?

Posted by: Skin in NC | April 17, 2007 8:46 AM | Report abuse

There is no need for Landry. Safeties are a dime a dozen. No safety is worth the 6 pick. And more importantly, no secondary is good unless there is a pass rush. The Redskins have to get someone who can put pressure on the QB or occupy interior linemen so the ends can get to the QB. When that happens even Springs, Smoot, Rogers, and Taylor will look like they can cover.

So I'm all for taking Okoye, Branch, Anderson or Carriker.

Posted by: M.E.G. | April 17, 2007 8:53 AM | Report abuse

It is highly unlikely that we would draft Carriker...He is best suited to play in a 3-4 deffense...that's what he's been playing in Neb.

Posted by: charlieo | April 17, 2007 9:01 AM | Report abuse


As posted in the last thread, Phillip Daniels spoke recently and said that DL's occupy blockers in Grilliams scheme, while CB, LB and S blitz to get pressure. He also said last years lack of good coverage made the line move from 4 to 3 down lineman which made us play cover 2. which lead us to get burned.

this is where the Landry talk came about. I like DL and I like Landry... and also as posted earlier about the Safeties taken in the first round recently that they are making probowls and are generally better and a more imiportant cog in the defense than in years past. In response to your dime a dozen arguement.

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 17, 2007 9:01 AM | Report abuse

kost52, I can't imagine who wrote on here that the Skins will trade Marcus Washington - thats just crazy talk and will never happen.

Posted by: Lisa | April 17, 2007 9:14 AM | Report abuse

What DoubleEl said, especially in Grilliams D.

I like Landry, too. I just have a feeling that someone will trade up to get him.

Also, we might be having a chicken/egg argument when it comes to pass coverage/rush and Dline play v. Dback play.

I think Landry would make the pass rush stronger. The question is would he make it stronger than Okoye or Carriker would?

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 17, 2007 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, we do, however, have lingering concern about Marcus Wash's recovery from his surgery, right?

I think worry about his health is one of the best (okay, one of the ONLY reasonable) arguments for adding another starter-quality LB, which for this front office could be called "The Duckett Gambit."

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 17, 2007 9:23 AM | Report abuse


I did. Actually that he would be a cap casualty because I read an article on a draft analysis page (Murphy from Yahoo) that said that the skins might take an LB because they might cut Washington. There was something about the injury being worse than expected.

I also think it's crazy just based on his "coreness".

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 17, 2007 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Larry Bud, in the absence of any facts or even factoids but awash with speculation, as a fellow draft idiot I don't care which D lineman we pick -- to paraphrase Old School -- I just want him to be the RIGHT guy.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 17, 2007 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of recovery time, Caron Butler wants to get his cast off early so he can come back for the second round of the playoffs...

Um, has he watched any of the Boulez' games since he and Gil went down? Caron is a trouper, and "don't stop believin'" and all that, but we ain't heading for the second round.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 17, 2007 9:30 AM | Report abuse

PDSquared (can I still call you that? the whole tentativeness of the AMMTS underbed jinx fears ... I'm just not ready ...), I was kidding about Mason Crosby. I was hoping for some disinformation. Also, I read somewhere (two places I think) that the K that the Skins want to bring in to compete with Suisham is a guy named Nick Folk from Arizona (Arizona State?).

Posted by: dcsween | April 17, 2007 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Nate; Sad about the Wiz... before the all star game we were in 1st in the Eastern Conference.... how the might have fallen, or should I say limped

Larry; It is definately a chicken or egg discussion, which is why i am cool with either. If we get a young DL, then we get pressure, one backer on the blitz, man up on the outside, 2 safeties over top.

If we take safety, then we get some depth to keep DL fresh and occupy blockers. Giving the CB ability to blitz cause L2 comes down and covers for them with Reaper over top.

I lean towards Landry b/c at 6 he is the pick there. If we move down, it would be so another team could draft him, and we take DL. That is why I like our position in this draft. Not to mention what may happen should Quinn or peterson drops.

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 17, 2007 9:40 AM | Report abuse


That's why he said it. He know's he won't have to.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 17, 2007 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Sween, you can call me whatever you'd like. It might confuse some of the not-so-frequent bloggers, but I care not.

Crosby has a range of 60-65 yards... I like that. 2nd round, if we get one in a trade, I say try and get him. I like Suisham, he has proven he can hit inside 40 consistently, his accuracy is suspect after that. He does have long kickoffs which we absolutely need. Competetion is always good.

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 17, 2007 9:44 AM | Report abuse


True, true...

Speaking of Journey, has anyone seen VH1s "Best Songs of the 80's"? They had Hungry Like the Wolf at #1.

You know you've crossed a demographic landmark when MTV is supplanted by VH1 and then VH1 is supplante by VH1 Classic...

Ugh, I feel old today.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 17, 2007 9:45 AM | Report abuse

The next installment of our blogmaster's love for The Owner ...

"... I hear the Skins will have something like 15 kids - on defense only! - at the facility this week, to say nothing of all the offensive players who have come through and still will come through. Is that overkill and indicative of the over-the-top nature of the guy who signs the checks? Is that too many bodies for any team to really handle in a limited time? Is it a little circus-like? ...."

Though JLaC is THE beat guy, I tend to disagree with the implication that this behavior is a bad idea. The Skins obviously will not be able to get more than one or two of these players -- THIS year. That doesn't mean that the courtship for guys at this talent level shouldn't start now. Its like how fraternities are on their best behavior during rush, and how law firms overpay and entertain their law student summer interns. Its all about creating the first impression. When these guys finish their rookie contracts, maybe it would be a GOOD idea if the player actually comes to the Skins seeking the next contract, as opposed to the Skins having to "express interest" in that player. If the business model is to rely heavily on free agency, then these guys need to be treated as free-agents-to-be. When these guys come to visit the Park, they should be made to marvel at the spectacle of what a rich owner does for the team. I say throw in a body/body/coconut oil visit with a local coed ... what happens in the Park stays in the Park. No questions asked. Add these guys to the Christmas card list and remember to call on their birthdays. Parting guests receive a lifetime supply of Rice-A-Roni and a Speigel gift certificate. Circus? Unquestionably. But no animals were harmed in the production of this motion picture.

Posted by: dcsween | April 17, 2007 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Sween; LOL

Larry, I love VH1 and the wifey and I were discussing how the transition happened without us even knowing! I check out classic from time to time, but I still havent crossed that threshold ;)

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 17, 2007 9:53 AM | Report abuse

On defense almost all of the players on your roster play. Most Dlines rotate players to keep them fresh, all teams have nickel/dime packages where most of your db's are on the field, Goal line /short yardage etc. you are really a good defense for a few reasons, sound scheme, quality depth ( cause they all have to play), play your assignment (have confidence that the guy next to you will play play together) and last you need some impact players, guys who make plays. you don't need 11 play makers, 2 or 3 is realistic ( best case is to have one on each level DL, LB, DB. Thats the formula.

Posted by: Old School | April 17, 2007 9:54 AM | Report abuse

If it comes down to calling dibbs, Landry or Okoye would be AOK with me. Frankly, any really good player or players would be good. Old School repeatedly says it best -- it doesn't matter who they pick, as long as they pick right (i.e., any contributor ... just not a bust ... %@^*ing Taylor Jacobs!).

The Skins' model relies on free agency. The draft is a luxury and reliance on it is not critical. Therefore, the Skins SHOULD select "best player available" -- value is value. If they do pick JRussell, I have to think it would be like Arizona last year picking Leinart. The Cards had sufficient QB power with Kurt Warner (what they really NEEDED was a O-line). When Leinart slipped so far, the Cards found themselves in an upside position -- high value player signable at below market rate (based on pick location). [That said, if they did pick Russell, I hope the idea would be to trade him within the next hour or so of Round One.]

The Skins approach to that #6 should be a risk-adverse, Old School-counselled choice. Don't go out on a limb. Make sure the guy (whoever he is, whatever position) is not going to be Ryan Leaf, Robert Gallery, Akili Smith, Taylor Jacobs, Mike Rumph, etc. Just make sure to get a contributor. Pro Bowl rookies are great, but should not be the guiding principle. Just not a bust.

Posted by: dcsween | April 17, 2007 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Defensive line is a MUST. Branch will still be on the board at #9/10.

Take the gaurd I have been talking about in the 2nd.......

Easy as 1,2,3...

Posted by: ExtremeSkins | April 17, 2007 10:00 AM | Report abuse

The best dope from JLaC's starter here is the Raiders taking CJ. Everyone else in Big Media seems convinced that the Raiders cannot move off JRussell. The thought is "if they pick CJ, who is going to throw to him?". The question should be, "if they pick JRussell, who is going to teach him how to play NFL?"

The market for vet, second run QBs seems deep to me. JLaC says the Raiders will go for Culpepper after he gets cut. I'm guessing, by that time, there will even be more serviceable QBs available to compete with Culpepper. Probably even a couple cast offs from Tampa Bay alone. I'm not convinced that Carolina is convinced that Leftwich is their guy. We know the Lions have been dangling Josh McCown. Charlie Batch (currently in Pittsburgh) has demonstrated his chops. Boller may want to start again. Sage is still out there. Volek thought he had a job (and the Chargers JUST picked Charlie Whitehurst last year). I could very easily see the Raiders aiming to pick CJ and forcing Tampa Bay to do the Ricky Manning deal with all their draft picks if they want CJ.

Posted by: dcsween | April 17, 2007 10:13 AM | Report abuse


I am completely off the Branch bandwagon. You might be driving solo there.

Latest word I heard last week was that he is slipping, and that is b/c he has a weight issue as well as the dreaded 'he takes plays off' which can both be explained by bad workout habits = LAZY... I like the 'high motor' tag for a guy with less talent that the 'takes plays off' tag for those with a lot of skill.

SOunds like Carriker has that high motor, Anderson as well. Adams plays best when on a 'nasty streak' which sounds like taking plays off to me.

Sorry bruh, NO TO BRANCH

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 17, 2007 10:14 AM | Report abuse

sween, your comment reminded me of the one question posed by J-La's post: yeah, this looks like a circus out at the Park (and it helps that we view the front office on their best day as the Keystone Kops 2.0), but how does it compare to what other teams are doing this week and next?

I would imagine that there are at least a few other teams having a BUNCH of dudes in, because as you get later in the first round it's so hard to predict who will be available, and you want to be ready.

Lest we forget, the teams picking at 11 and 16 and 22 and 29 have a lot of pressure to get their picks right, just not as much pressure as we top-sixers have.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 17, 2007 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Ricky... Williams?

And hats off to me for a super-smart Captain Obvious post just now. Sometimes I re-read the crap I submit and wonder why I'm not being blocked up here.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 17, 2007 10:21 AM | Report abuse


As far as taking plays off, I've heard the same thing about Okoye.

There was a funny story about him on Yahoo. Apparently, he was supposed to appear on Stupidest Damn Sports Shabingus Ever and didn't take a change of clothes. He was going to get fitted for a super fly suit by one of the tailors to the stars but was running late, so he went to a local mall.

He got very frustrated when there was nothing to his liking in size 44 waist and almost had to do the interview in the same sweats he had been wearing for 24 hours. Somebody hooked him up so that didn't happen, but, c'mon, I mean he's a genius and he couldn't remember to bring clothes?

Like Nate said, in the absence of facts or factoids any speculation will do.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 17, 2007 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Okoye or Landry at #6. Or trade down a few and get Anderson or Branch and extra pick. I like it. From just a player stand point Okoye sounds like he may have the most "upside". First round talent at 19yrs old, smart, quick, can penetrate, likely to get bigger, possibly better. A rotation with him Golston and Griffin could be interesting.

Posted by: skinswest | April 17, 2007 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Nate, part of the circus is probably about thinking about how/what do to if a trade down offer does present itself.

I'm certain lots of other teams are talking to their alloted 25 out-of-town guys, but not sure how many provide the coed and the Rice-A-Roni.

Posted by: dcsween | April 17, 2007 10:31 AM | Report abuse

After yesterday's discussion about the starter RFAs at DE -- and how they all seem like third-fifth round picks -- I'm steaming a little bit about the Duckett deal.

The chatter about the upside for Okoye sounds good, but the DE from Hawaii, Alama-Francis, also seems like a great upside deal (natural athlete, newish to the position, from a football family) ... and I'm wondering whether he is even going to be available with the #6 pick in the FIFTH round.

Posted by: dcsween | April 17, 2007 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Hungry like the wolf??? Are you F'ing kidding me??? That's not even the best Duran Duran song from the 80's (Rio)

I will review this so called "list" and return with my thoughts.

I say we go for L2 unless someone offers us a 1st, 2nd and at least a 5th.

Posted by: etrod | April 17, 2007 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I was driving in my car listening this weekend to a Tampa sports station [I miss Kornheiser and the DC sports....]and their special guest was Chris Landry.

Landry as many of you know was an NFL coach, scout, and now serves as a consultant for a few NFL teams and is employed by Fox Sports Radio.

They were discussing the first 4 picks [Tampa selects #4] when suddenly another Redskin fan tranplanted to FL due to work like myself, telephoned.

Landry's comments about our Skins were tough to hear. They pierced like a knife through hot butter.

He said Joe Gibbs has proven himself as a man, leader and coach. However the FO is what has set back this franchise. Landry said that for the last 7 years the FO has tried quick fixes, paying out too much money and not building through the draft. He actually said the draft for the Skins this year is so depleted because of bad choices under Danny and Vinny.

Then the big close by Landry was this. "I don't understand why Vinny Ceratto, is where he is, and I don't know of ANY other NFL team that would have Ceratto in that position".

It was so sad. We are the laughing stock as far as FO goes in the NFL. To hear this over radio where they know they are not in Redskin country and to be talking about us this way... well, it just made me sick!

Posted by: Redskin Ray | April 17, 2007 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Are any of the aforementioned draft picks going to be potential holdouts? Who are their agents? If a rookie is going to be a starter and contribute he must get his butt into camp on time. We needed an immediate starter out of this draft.

Posted by: Throwback | April 17, 2007 10:49 AM | Report abuse

My wife, a certified Duran Duran psychopath, agreed.

But I had to remind her that we were dealing with commercially popular.

I also feel compelled as a guy who grew up UVA fan and who is currently a UMD season ticket holder that we are all Hokies today.

I know it's been said, but I'm feelin it at the moment.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 17, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse


The main holdout agent is NEXT QUESTION, and Snyder has him on lock... or wait.... is it the other way around? Our last and only holdout I can think of recently was P Ramsey.

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 17, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Just found the aforementioned list and I should have known not to trust my wife...

Here is the list 1-10:

1 "Livin' on a Prayer" Bon Jovi
2 "Pour Some Sugar On Me" Def Leppard
3 "Hungry Like The Wolf" Duran Duran
4 "Billie Jean" Michael Jackson
5 "When Doves Cry" Prince
6 "I Can't Go For That (No Can Do)" Daryl Hall & John Oates
7 "Sweet Child O' Mine " Guns N' Roses
8 "Like A Virgin" Madonna
9 "Walk This Way" Run-D.M.C.
10 "You Shook Me All Night Long" AC/DC

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 17, 2007 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I thought DD peaked artistically with "Wild Boys," which really showcased the laughable weakness of Simon LeBon's voice, but "Hungry Like the Wolf" was huge, no doubt.

We need the whole list for a complete analysis. etrod, looking to you, buddy.

This is just the sort of Important Issue that could get us to 50k!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 17, 2007 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I looked it up and Hungry Like the Wolf was #3. Livin on a prayer was #1. Slightly more acceptable but still crap.

I must have spent 1/3 of my college weekends on road trips to VT. I can drive from Newport News to Blacksburg with my eyes closed. I was so sick yesterday...still am.

Posted by: etrod | April 17, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Ah, look at that list. The list is life.

The Eighties were AWESOME.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 17, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

It amazes me that with the stories, spins, and outright lies that are being flung about re: all these guys, that the one that seems to have stuck is the "Branch is slipping" claim.
I'm just an unfrozen caveman blogger, I have no idea whether this shabingus is true; but I do know that he still continues to be listed as a top DT prospect, and with his size and athleticism is a great fit for the NFC East. So I want the FO to do their due diligence, look at the film, workout/interview, and make a call.
But I'll ignore the various whispering campaigns if you please.

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 17, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Nate, ask and ye shal receive:

1. Bon Jovi / "Livin' on a Prayer"
2. Def Leppard / "Pour Some Sugar On Me"
3. Duran Duran / "Hungry Like the Wolf"
4. Michael Jackson / "Billie Jean"
5. Prince / "When Doves Cry"
6. Hall & Oates / "I Can't Go For That (No Can Do)"
7. Guns N' Roses / "Sweet Child O' Mine"
8. Madonna / "Like a Virgin"
9. Run-D.M.C. / "Walk This Way"
10. AC/DC / "You Shook Me All Night Long"
11. Journey / "Don't Stop Believin'"
12. Whitney Houston / "How Will I Know"
13. U2 / "With Or Without You"
14. The Bangles / "Walk Like an Egyptian"
15. Van Halen / "Jump"
16. INXS / "Need You Tonight"
17. Whitesnake / "Here I Go Again"
18. Dexy's Midnight Runners / "Come On Eileen"
19. Cyndi Lauper / "Time after Time"
20. Rick Springfield / "Jessie's Girl"
21. Michael Jackson / "Beat It"
22. The Cure / "Just Like Heaven"
23. Cyndi Lauper / "Girls Just Want to Have Fun"
24. A-Ha / "Take On Me"
25. Go-Go's / "Our Lips Are Sealed"
26. Guns N' Roses / "Welcome to the Jungle"
27. Kajagoogoo / "Too Shy"
28. Wham! / "Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go"
29. Talking Heads / "Burning Down the House"
30. Pat Benatar / "Love is a Battlefield"
31. Queen and David Bowie / "Under Pressure"
32. Night Ranger / "Sister Christian"
33. Soft Cell / "Tainted Love"
34. Poison / "Every Rose Has It's Thorn"
35. Phil Collins / "In the Air Tonight"
36. Tommy Tutone / "867-5309 / Jenny"
37. Aerosmith / "Janie's Got a Gun"
38. U2 / "Pride (In the Name of Love)"
39. Modern English / "I Melt With You"
40. The B-52's / "Love Shack"
41. Motley Crue / "Dr. Feelgood"
42. The Clash / "London Calling"
43. ABC / "Look of Love (Part One)"
44. Bananarama / "Cruel Summer"
45. Janet Jackson / "Nasty"
46. The Police / "Every Breath You Take"
47. Twisted Sister / "We're Not Gonna Take It"
48. Bruce Springsteen / "Born in the U.S.A."
49. Beastie Boys / "Fight For Your Right"
50. Eurythmics / "Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)"
51. Ratt / "Round and Round"
52. Dead or Alive / "You Spin Me Round (Like A Record)"
53. Billy Idol / "White Wedding"
54. Salt-N-Pepa / "Push It"
55. A Flock of Seagulls / "I Ran (So Far Away)"
56. Bonnie Tyler / "Total Eclipse of the Heart"
57. Toni Basil / "Mickey"
58. Culture Club / "Do You Really Want to Hurt Me"
59. John Mellencamp / "Jack & Diane"
60. Young M.C. / "Bust a Move"
61. Styx / "Mr. Roboto"
62. Berlin / "Take My Breath Away"
63. Devo / "Whip It"
64. Paula Abdul / "Straight Up"
65. Foreigner / "I Want to Know What Love Is"
66. Depeche Mode / "Just Can't Get Enough"
67. REO Speedwagon / "Keep On Loving You"
68. Public Enemy / "Fight the Power"
69. R.E.M / "It's The End of the World As We Know It (and I Feel Fine)"
70. Joan Jett & The Blackhearts/ "I Love Rock N' Roll"
71. Rick James / "Super Freak"
72. The Fixx / "One Thing Leads to Another"
73. Nena / "99 Luftbaloons"
74. George Michael / "Faith"
75. Prince / "Little Red Corvette"
76. Thomas Dolby / "She Blinded Me With Science"
77. New Edition / "Candy Girl"
78. Blondie / "Call Me"
79. Human League / "Don't You Want Me?"
80. Rob Base & DJ E-Z Rock / "It Takes Two"
81. Cameo / "Word Up!"
82. Squeeze / "Tempted"
83. Prince / "Kiss"
84. Lionel Richie / "All Night Long (All Night)"
85. Robert Palmer / "Addicted to Love"
86. Bow Wow Wow / "I Want Candy"
87. Falco / "Rock Me Amadeus"
88. Chaka Khan / "Ain't Nobody"
89. The Pretenders / "Brass in Pocket"
90. Tone-Loc / "Wild Thing"
91. Katrina and The Waves / "Walking On Sunshine"
92. New Kids on the Block / "You Got It (The Right Stuff)"
93. Gary Numan / "Cars"
94. The Rolling Stones / "Start Me Up"
95. Debbie Gibson / "Only in My Dreams"
96. Men at Work / "Down Under"
97. The Romantics / "What I Like About You"
98. Bobby Brown / "My Perogative"
99. Wang Chung / "Everybody Have Fun Tonight"
100. Loverboy / "Working for the Weekend"

Posted by: etrod | April 17, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

#6 - I think Branch could be the next Sapp. No one moves up or down in the draft as Sports talk gurus say. It's all about the Hype. You refered to getting a guy whose engine is always moving and is fast but might be lighter. We already have one - Carter.......

Yes to Proposition #40 (Branch)

Posted by: ES | April 17, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

How do you even begin to rank all those songs? A labor of love, to be sure. But about as subjective an exercise as ranking the D linemen in this draft, I guess.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 17, 2007 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Just read this on the National's Journal, just proof the RI is the best!:

"So because this is obviously a competition among/between the blogs and the members of The Department who produce them, and because our self-worth is attached to how many page views we get in relation to other members of The Department, I announce to you that "Nationals Journal" is currently sixth of the nine blogs produced by The Department for TPATRWRSWHRNO. (No idea where the podcasts fit in. Separate animal, I think.)

Can you guess the order? Think about it for a second.

Okay, second's up. Total layup to guess that Jason La Canfora's "Redskins Insider" draws the most page views, not to mention fervent responses. JLC fills that baby up, and it's simply more proof of something we all realize anyway: The Redskins rule this town with an iron fist. Isn't going to change. Ever."

Posted by: ce1782 | April 17, 2007 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Dlinemen should be the easiest.

Big & Heavy - Good
Light & Fast - Not this time....

Posted by: ES | April 17, 2007 11:09 AM | Report abuse

True cload;

Whisperings is all we have, and all we have to blog about. But as we get closer to draft day, these whisperings get louder b/c progressively over time people are letting thier thoughts and 'scouting' be known... it is like a big secret and it cannot be kept inside!

And trusting the the FO has more info than these whisperings is a BIG leap of faith. But that said, if they draft him I will assume they know what they are doing and hope for the best. I am reminded that Griff had the same knock his 1st 3 years in the league and then came to us and learned hand technique b/c he could not get by on pure athleticism anymore.

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 17, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I will most likely be toasted for this opinion but I just have a creeping feeling that Okoye may not be all that he is billed to be.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 17, 2007 07:34 AM

If the Redskins draft Okoye, he will become the 3rd or 4th man in a rotation of defensive tackles that will rarely distinguish itself. If Okoye is drafted by any other team in the NFL, he will become a perennial All-Pro and the highest-paid defensive tackle in league history. It always seems to work that way.

If all players in the NFL became free agents today with no salary cap, and Snyder signed the top two star defensemen at every position, Super Coach Double-Cheese (Williams) would proceed to turn them into the most underperforming unit in the league and then complain about how he needed better talent to make his system work. A defensive end with 12 sacks? Not in the Williams system. A cornerback with 10 interceptions? Not going to happen here. A starting defensive unit whose members leave as soon as their contracts expire? The list wil be long and glorious.

Players don't have to be smart or super-smart to be defensive starters for the Redskins. They only have to be able to say "Yes, Coach", "No, Coach" and "Right away, Coach' while memorizing a system that rewards repetition and stifles instinctiveness. Here's how it works.

(Carlos Rogers) "Okay, the Eagles are in a 3-wide set. Coach has called a 3-deep zone so I have to play 8 yards off. Wait - the tight end just went in motion away from me - now I have to press. Oops, QB just checked off - now I have to drop into zone again. Here comes my guy - looks like he's running a deep corner - better get moving. Damn - the QB is rolling this way - now I have to let my guy go to the safety and close on the QB, I think. Hey, what's Sean doing up here? Who's taking my guy? Man, maybe they were in a Y-slant zone. Oh man, my guy just caught the ball and there is no way I am going to catch him now. But hey, I made some great decisions out here. Guess I might as well dance a little to celebrate!"

Posted by: Pulp | April 17, 2007 11:11 AM | Report abuse

And can we at least agree that any FO that doesn't meet as many draftees as permitted under the rules is leaving money on the table?

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 17, 2007 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I can't respect that list ... it doesn't have Trio's "Da Da Da".

Posted by: dcsween | April 17, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I would've put the whole list on there the first time if I'd thought you really wanted it...

The 80's were OK and all but, damn.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 17, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

etrod's semi-top ten (off the top of my head and in no particular order):

GnR - Sweet Child O' Mine
AC/DC - Back In Black
The Cult - Fire Woman
NWA - Express Yourself
Dramarama - Anything Anything
The Cure - Love Song
Berlin - The Metro
Aerosmith - What it Takes
Whodini - The Freaks Come Out At Night
Prince - Purple Rain

Posted by: etrod | April 17, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Here's a link to a site that has greatest 80's songs listed by how long they were at #1 and how many they sold.

Check out #60. That's all I have to say about the 80's:

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 17, 2007 11:17 AM | Report abuse

ce1782, it will be veddy, veddy interesting to see how the Nats ascend in relative prominence when the new stadium opens.

Not that they'll ever challenge the Skins in DC, but I would love to see a nearly-full stadium rocking it during the lean months after the Caps have tanked and the Wiz have been eliminated and before Skins training camp.

And baseball people are nuts. All that numerology/stat worship stuff. So they got that goin' for them.

The main thing is having GOOD, competitive teams representing DC in all the sports.

Well, except hockey. The Caps are killing me. The return to red, white and blue unis should be good for a couple wins next year.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 17, 2007 11:17 AM | Report abuse

WOW skip a few posts in the middle and you end up in VH1.

Thats what I get for being lazy

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 17, 2007 11:22 AM | Report abuse


Thanks for the props.Just a keen observer of all things redskin football over the years.

I think you all know my QB/coach stability theory. I don't buy the snyder just wants to make money shabingus. This franchise has long viewed expierenced players are of more value than rookies, have always had an aggressive stance when comes to getting players, but they have been successful when they have had stabilty on the field. QB/coach in motion combined with players in motion is a recipe for... well exactly what we are mediorce.

Gibbs is providing the stability and setting the on field idenity of the team (we get 5 years of team building consitencey without the threat of the coach being fired). That being said is not a garentee that he will be successful, but I do believe, that the skill he brings is team building, putting the best 53 together not neccessarily the most talented. He rolled the dice on the wrong QB to lead us but that has been corrected. I generally like what we have done so far, but what we lack is that impact defender to get us to a playoff level contender.

Posted by: Old School | April 17, 2007 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Larry Bud,

That is why we never equate sales to greatness. The general public buys what it is told to buy. If a song or artist is marketed well, it will sell well, no matter how crappy it really is. All the public needs to know is that they are supposed to like it because it's on MTV.

Come to think of it, the music buying public is kind of like the Skins' front office. I wonder what's on Vinny's ipod?

Posted by: etrod | April 17, 2007 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Larry Bud's 80's list:

1. U2-Pride
2. U2-Sunday Bloody Sunday
3. U2-Where the Streets Have No Name
4. U2-I Will Follow
5. U2-Heartland
6. U2-Bullet the Blue Sky
7. REM-Wendell G
8. RUN-DMC- My Addidas
9. Fugazi-Bad Mouth
10. Beastie Boyz- Paul Revere

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 17, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Vinny's IPOD, (I got this from an inside source who wishes to remain nameless)

1. Loser- Beck
2-10. See #1

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 17, 2007 11:28 AM | Report abuse


"Thats what I get for being lazy"

I get irony...

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 17, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

That was a trick question. Vinny doesn't have an ipod. He overpaid for a 10 year old sony walk man.

Posted by: etrod | April 17, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Wendell Gee, Larry Bud!? Excellent 'deep cut' from the vault.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 17, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

There remain no shortage of people in that building really hope they trade down, but we'll see what the Snyder/Gibbs axis ends up doing in the war room.

By Jason La Canfora | April 16, 2007; 9:19 PM ET

You can tell who in the FO are hoping to trade down for more picks - they are the ones who come here looking for analysis by DCSween.

Posted by: Pulp | April 17, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Alright, so I had this really bad dream last night after watching NFL Network late. Jamarcus Russell was still available as the #6 pick of the Redskins came up. The Redskins selected him. A little while later, they announce that the Redskins have traded Jason Campbell to the Raiders for the Raiders 2nd round pick. It was pretty much a nightmare so I woke up before finding out who the Redskins selected in the 2nd round.

Posted by: Pulp | April 17, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse


looks like you are down on double G. If he is to blame for anything last year, it was his insistance on the square peg (arch) for his D the round hole. given a solid goup of 23 guys (what ever the d roster is)he has a track record of putting some of the NFL's best defense's on the field over the years ( not many people wanted to face Tenn back 99 or our D the first 2 yrs) he didn't have the right depth players (his fault) but his D works when it all comes together and lots of that is on players like double move and sean taylor. The talented guys have to up their game, we need to add a guy(impact) like i've been saying and the role players need to play together, if that happens we can be a D nobody looks forward to facing. it ain't double G only.

Posted by: Old School | April 17, 2007 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Hall and Oats in top 10?! Uh uh. dcsween - love the pull on Trio.

The ONLY reason we should draft Russell if he is till at #6 is because we've worked out a San Diego/Eli Manning deal ahead of time with someone else. Play the scenario out - draft Russell he comes he competes but Soups starts and shockingly it being is first full season falters. Then what? We call for his head? We demand Russell? He comes in plays well but ultimately (within a season) proves not great. Then what?
We've established a pattern/sent the message that young QBs as lauded as they are won't get a real shot in DC and we'll keep bringing them in until we find "a winner."

Boo I say boo!

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 17, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Pulp, you flatter me (like Nate did yesterday). There is only ONE reason I post here, and its rule #6 of the WaPo blog rules. [See the hyperlink just comment posting box.]

6. For any content that you post, you hereby grant to the royalty-free, irrevocable, perpetual, exclusive and fully sublicensable license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display such content in whole or in part, world-wide and to incorporate it in other works, in any form, media or technology now known or later developed.

>>> One of these days, I just hope to post something worthy of the WaPo's license (now known or later developed) to it.

Posted by: dcsween | April 17, 2007 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Pulp, Grilliams has weathered too many jm220 smacks and hammer blows to be bothered by your taunts.

But as Old School notes, he's a better coach than last year indicated, and no matter what any of us thinks of him, he's the D coordinator going into this season. We might as well hope for the best, which would be a return to the form his defenses have had most of his career.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 17, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

We're at 44,979. 50K by Draft Day is cake. Pure cake. I'd be surprised if we didn't hit 60K by Draft Day.

Posted by: Cindy | April 17, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

That's about 500 comments a day.

I accept the challenge.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 17, 2007 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Nate, double G is still here so it's not working. Maybe I should get a larger hammer. lmao

Posted by: jm220 | April 17, 2007 12:13 PM | Report abuse

If there really is concern over Marcus' health, then a LB isn't out of the question. The Briggs deal certainly makes sense in that case. It would also make sense to take Willis. Either Willis or Landry would add a hard-nosed football player with blazing speed. Trading down just to 9 or 10 and we can probably still take Willis. A little further and maybe we need to settle on Carriker.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 17, 2007 12:14 PM | Report abuse

jm220 my friend, you KNOW you loved watching this D dominate in Grilliams' first year and be really good his second year! Admit it!

That was the same dude we've all (rightly) criticized for last year's D play. I'm just sayin'...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 17, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I knew you would, Nate!

Posted by: Cindy | April 17, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

His attention span wanes
as the newness wears off,
Like a shiny new toy
in a little boy's hand;

Many years of despair
never winning the prize,
Changing pieces once more
with a wave of his hand.

Posted by: Ode to a Geek Unlearned | April 17, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Landry! Landry! Landry!

Defense will kill people with him in the secondary. It will be like the first year under Williams... coverage sacks galore!

Williams hasn't picked up a pass rusher since he has been here... I don't expect him to now. That is not how his defense works.


Posted by: JoeyV | April 17, 2007 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Nate, I'm with you all the way. I can't wait for the new stadium to open up. RFK is great but it will always be known as the home of the Redskins. I think once the Nats get a home of their own and if they continue to build around the good young group of players they have, we could have something special here in DC to help us get through the months without football.

Posted by: ce1782 | April 17, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: D7 | April 17, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Actually Nate those first two years I look at it as Marvin Lewis D.

Posted by: JM220 | April 17, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"Again, the Skins at 6 could be prime partners. Keep an eye on this, cause at 10, plus getting a second round pick, the Skins might find two really good players in such a trade." - JLC

The trade down scenario many of us have been hoping for. It makes perfect sense. That's why it won't happen.

Posted by: 4-12 | April 17, 2007 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Redskins have traded Jason Campbell to the Raiders for the Raiders 2nd round pick. It was pretty much a nightmare so I woke up before finding out who the Redskins selected in the 2nd round.

Posted by: Pulp | April 17, 2007 11:49 AM

Wow, I had a similar nightmare, except I had the skins drafting Quinn and trading Campbell for Randy Moss.

Posted by: skinswest | April 17, 2007 12:41 PM | Report abuse


Those two years of good grilliams D had nothing to do with Lewis.

Lewis' D was read and react where as grilliams D was attack attack. I feel like their styles were on complete opposite spectrums.

Funny how LaVar did not fit in either.

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 17, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Glad to see some other people also want us taking Crosby in the 2nd round. If we trade back and take say Anderson, I think I would still want Crosby over Weddle or an OG. We haven't had a decent kicker since Lohmiller. I don't trust Suisham, and Crosby has the chance to be a lot more than just decent.

Posted by: Jon | April 17, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I like the idea of drafting Crosby. I hate the idea of taking any kicker before the fourth round. I know - the skins don't have a fourth rounder - yet.

Posted by: skinswest | April 17, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Elmer Fudd decided to grow a garden so he could make salad. He wants to make it 10.1 m long and 4.2 m wide. However, in order to avoid Bugs Bunny from entering his garden he must make a fence surrounding the garden. He decides to make the fence 11.2 m long and 5.0 m wide. What is the area between the fence and the garden?

Posted by: loco mullin | April 17, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Crosby should be around in the 3rd, by the end of the 4th he will be gone though...

Posted by: Jon | April 17, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse


Welcome to the bandwagon... AMTTS is the proprieter and owner, I will be your driver. License plate says L2Skins!


I am glad to see you agree on crosby. Saw a Sportscenter or NFL network highlight on the guy... damn good kicker.

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 17, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I agree we could use a real stud at kicker for a change...

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 17, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Jon | April 17, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

#6DoubleEL, didn't LaVar have his best year under Marvin Lewis, 11 sacks when Lewis just set him loose on the QB? not saying he 'fit' in the scheme, but he did well.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 17, 2007 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Probably Nate;

I just remember the struggle it was to get him to not 'freelance'.

LaVar was my man, sad he could only do one thing.

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 17, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Note to JLC: Shouldn't it be obvious why I'm bringing the top 50 draft prospects into Redskins Park, even though I have only one draft choice that I haven't traded away (yet)? Answer: I'm entertaining future free agents that I can overpay five years from now.

Posted by: Dan Snyder | April 17, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Trade down and get Jamaal Anderson!

Posted by: meraj | April 17, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse


Why overpay in the future when you can overpay for a guy you've already had?

Big Daddy is on the block!!!,29566

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 17, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Wes Mantooth | April 17, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I sure hope we dont make any trades until draft day. That will make it much more exciting.

Anyone here from the Baltimore Area, a couple of us will be getting together to watch the draft @ Glory Days in Towson. I will have my silver Cooley jersey and will be stiing at the bar jawing with the purple baltimorons! Come join!

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 17, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

8.8 square meters?

Posted by: dcsween | April 17, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Larry Bud: I would only be interested in overpaying for Big Daddy if I could also overpay for Dana Stubblefield. Maybe we could also bring in Bruce Smith and Adam Archuleta to play DE.

Posted by: Dan Snyder | April 17, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

nah, 13.58, to think of it more simply, it's the big square minus the little square, which leaves the area between the 2

Posted by: Jon | April 17, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Where is Haikuman?

Posted by: Cindy | April 17, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

We should let the past be the past.

Danny and the boys have showed remarkable restraint the past few months. Sure there have been bad decisions in the past, but I would be willing to bet that not all of them were considered bad at the time.

Lets give Snyder and the crew a chance to redeem themselves this year. For better or worse, he is an owner that attracts talent.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 17, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

What is the area between the fence and the garden?

Posted by: loco mullin | April 17, 2007 01:29 PM

I got it...

its the fenceline!

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 17, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

If everyone is interested in getting a safety, then we should STILL TRADE DOWN and get Reggie nelson. Reggie nelson is no joke. very fluid athlete who performed well for the Gators.

Posted by: meraj | April 17, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

finally someone posted the real reason for the Skins interest in Briggs.
Marcus' injury and subsequent surgery make it very problematic that he can ever return to his Energizer Bunny form.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 17, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

one other note.
CJ as a Redskin is ridiculous, regardless of his talent.
WR's don't win championships. if they did, Rice would have a dozen Super Bowl rings instead of three.
ask Montana why the 9'ers dominated their era and he'll tell you it was their DEFENSE!!

Posted by: flipthatswitch | April 17, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

What is the area between the fence and the garden?

Posted by: loco mullin

The border.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 17, 2007 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Where is Haikuman?

Posted by: Cindy | April 17, 2007 01:55 PM

We should let the past be the past.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 17, 2007 01:55 PM

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Posted by: ExtremeSkins | April 17, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse

leadership and dependability go along way in making really talented players great. Because Lavar was not dependable he could not or would be thought of as a leader, he just didn't work hard enough at the film study , workouts, etc. fans and teamates marveled at his physical abilities but in the end many guys like him are cursed by that gift.

I am afraid that sean t is also headed in the same direction (it hasn't been decided yet) its the little things that in the end get it done. Thats when you stop being game planned for ... ie We know we can a fool this guy a few times every game a get a big play... to we better not try and go over there.

to use examples from more my Era do you think any team... at any time said ...yeah we'll go over to LT'S side a few times cause we know we will get him? How Ronnie Lott?

Lavar maybe coulda been a poor man's LT
and Sean t has a chance but better step it up.... I 'm not say'n.

Posted by: Old School | April 17, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

1. Gaines Adams, Clemson (6-4¾, 258, 4.67)
Adams had a complete workout at the Combine except for lifting. He ran his two 40s in 4.64 and 4.69. He also recorded a 35-inch vertical jump, 9-foot-11 long jump, 4.36 short shuttle and 7.17 three-cone drill. He did 21 bench presses at Clemson's Pro Day on March 13. Adams played eight-man football in high school, playing wide receiver, where he posted 158 catches and 65 touchdowns, and defensive back. His team won the South Carolina state championship in 2000. He also played one year at Fork Union Prep before he entered Clemson in 2002. Adams started at Clemson the past two seasons. In 25 starts, he had 22 sacks and 15 tipped passes. He was named the ACC Defensive Player of the Year in 2006. Adams is an outstanding athlete who is just learning the game. He has outstanding quickness and speed to rush the passer, plays with leverage and effort, and has toughness and plays physically. He does not play the run as well as you would like, but he is getting better. He needs to get stronger, and he will. He is an older player; he will be 24 years old in June. He has traits you look for in pass-rushing ability, and has long arms (34 1/8 inches.)

2. Alan Branch, Michigan (6-5¾, 324, 5.08)
Branch worked out at the Combine but did not do shuttles. He ran his two 40s in 5.07 and 5.08 and also recorded a 27½-inch vertical jump, 8-foot-11 long jump and 33 bench presses. At Michigan's Pro Day, he had a 4.79 short shuttle and 7.56 three-cone drill. Branch played high school football in New Mexico, playing both running back and defensive line. He was the high school Player of the Year in New Mexico and played in the 2004 Army All-America game. He also started on the basketball team. Branch played as a true freshman at Michigan in 2004 and started 10 games in 2005 and 13 in 2006. Branch has great size and strength for the defensive tackle position and has very good movement in the short area. He does not play hard on every down and needs to play lower. He will rise up sometimes, which may happen when he gets tired as he did not play in a rotation as most NFL teams use. This type of defensive lineman has decent but not great athletic ability. His numbers give him a chance to be a top-flight player.

3. Jamaal Anderson, Arkansas (6-5 3/8, 283, 4.79)
Anderson did not work out at the Combine due to a hamstring problem, but he did everything at Arkansas' Pro Day on March 13. He ran his two 40s in 4.78 and 4.79 and also recorded a 32½-inch vertical jump, 9-foot-8 long jump, 4.15 short shuttle, 6.87 three-cone drill and 22 bench presses. Anderson played defensive end and wide receiver in high school and also was an outstanding basketball player. He played as a true freshman in 2004 and started five games as a sophomore in 2005. He was a full-time starter in 2006 and had 13 sacks in 14 games. Anderson has good explosion on his first step and plays with energy and emotion. He is very young, just turning 21 years old on Feb. 6, but is very alert as a player. He is big and will get bigger, has good production, and plays hard all the time. He has to improve against the run and needs to improve his use of his hands. He should have a long career at a high level as his best football is ahead of him.

4. Adam Carriker, Nebraska (6-6, 296, 4.91)
Carriker had a complete workout at the Combine, running his two 40s in 4.90 and 4.91. He also recorded a 31½-inch vertical jump, 9-foot-2 long jump, 4.16 short shuttle, 7.08 three-cone drill and 33 bench presses. At Nebraska's Pro Day, he ran 4.71 and 4.74 in the 40-yard dash when his weight was 291 pounds. Carriker played quarterback and defensive end in high school. He was a three-year starter at quarterback and also played baseball. Carriker redshirted in 2002 at Nebraska and played nine games in 2003. He started the past three years and had 20½ sacks, and he was named the Big 12 Defensive Lineman of the Year in 2006. Carriker has outstanding strength, gives very good effort, and is a hard worker. He can change direction and is a student of the game. He can play inside at defensive tackle or outside as an end. He is not a great pass rusher as he does not consistently rid himself of blockers. He is a very good, solid player who will play many years but not in a lot of Pro Bowls.

5. Amobi Okoye, Louisville (6-2, 306, 5.07)
Okoye worked out at the Combine but only ran one 40-yard dash, posting a time of 5.07, and didn't do the short shuttle. He did do 29 bench presses and worked out again at Louisville's Pro Day, running under 5.00 in the 40 and recording a 4.44 short shuttle. Okoye was born in Nigeria and moved to Huntsville, Ala., as a 12-year-old. He was tested and entered into the ninth grade, where he started playing football for the first time. He started 13 games as a defensive lineman at 13 years of age. Okoye started for two years at Louisville (2005 and 2006) and had eight sacks as a senior in 2006. He played in 13 games in 2003 as a 16-year-old. Okoye has a big, thick body with a big chest. He has good use of hands, can control blockers and has quickness, agility and balance. He needs to play hard all the time. He worked and played better at the Senior Bowl than he did during the season at Louisville. He needs to watch his weight.

6. Justin Harrell, Tennessee (6-4 3/8, 300, 5.06)
Harrell had a complete workout at the Combine. He ran his two 40s in 5.04 and 5.07 and also recorded a 30½-inch vertical jump, 9-foot long jump, 4.79 short shuttle, 7.63 three-cone drill and 24 bench presses. He worked out again on March 21 at Tennessee's Pro Day when his weight was 314 pounds and he posted 31 bench presses. Harrell played tight end and defensive end in high school, where he was a three-year starter. He also played basketball, averaging 17 points a game as a senior. Harrell redshirted at Tennessee in 2002 and played the final eight games of 2003 after breaking his ankle before the season. He tore his bicep in September 2006 and tried to play with one arm. He would have been a three-year starter if not for injuries that forced him to miss starts. Harrell is a very athletic player who can be a difference-maker if healthy. He has long arms with good strength and can play nose tackle. He needs to learn to rush the passer better, but is a very solid player if healthy.

13. Ikaika Alama-Francis, Hawaii (6-5 1/8, 276, 4.88)
Alama-Francis was injured and did not work out at the Combine. He worked out at Hawaii's Pro Day on March 29, running his two 40s in 4.85 and 4.91. He also recorded a 35-inch vertical jump, 9-foot-5 long jump, 4.68 short shuttle and 7.29 three-cone drill. He did not do any strength lifts as he is recovering from a torn pectoral muscle. Alama-Francis did not play high school football and instead was a big-time basketball and volleyball player and also played baseball. He went to Hawaii in 2002 as a basketball player. Alama-Francis started playing football in 2003 as a backup, playing in six games with no starts. He started one game in 2004 and made 25 starts over the 2005 and 2006 seasons. He tore his pectoral muscle in the Hula Bowl, preventing him from working out at the Combine, and he still wasn't 100 percent at his recent workout. Alama-Francis has talent but is very inexperienced and was not really productive at Hawaii. He is the type of player that can be a big hit or a big miss. He worked out as a tight end and looked great catching the ball in drills.

14. Tank Tyler, N.C. State (6-2¼, 306, 5.24)
Tyler pulled a hamstring on his first run attempt at the Combine, but did have a 28½ vertical jump and 42 bench presses before getting hurt. He worked out on March 20 at North Carolina State's Pro Day, running his two 40s in 5.24 and 5.24. He also recorded an 8-foot long jump, 4.76 short shuttle and 7.47 three-cone drill. Tyler played offensive tackle and defensive tackle in high school. He graduated early from high school and entered N.C. State in January of 2003. He played but did not start in 2003, and went on to start 28 games over the next three seasons. He played offensive tackle in 2004 spring practice. Tyler has very good strength, is very good against the run and has some initial quickness. He needs to be better conditioned because he lacks stamina. He is not good as a pass rusher and takes plays off, which may be as a result of the lack of conditioning and being top heavy. If he gets in shape it might help him play better.

Wild Card
Marcus Thomas, Florida (6-2¾, 314, 5.25)
Thomas did not work out at the Combine, citing a pulled right quad, but did do 27 bench presses. He worked out March 29 in Jacksonville and ran his two 40s in 5.23 and 5.27. He also recorded a 26½-inch vertical jump, 9-foot-5 long jump, 4.81 short shuttle and 8.03 three-cone drill. He looked good in drills and it's doubtful he was 100 percent. Thomas played defensive line and running back in high school and had 30 sacks as a senior. He became the first true freshman to start a game for Florida since 1992, playing 358 snaps, the third most among defensive tackles. He started 24 games over the next two years but was suspended early in the 2006 season for five games and was subsequently dismissed for not complying with the guidelines for reinstatement. Thomas has outstanding ability but has character issues and needs to stay in shape. He is a first-round talent who someone might take a chance on in the third round or later.

Posted by: ExtremeSkins via | April 17, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

leadership and dependability go along way in making really talented players great.

Posted by: Old School | April 17, 2007 02:11 PM

I dont care what you say, I still think that leadership stuff is overrated

Posted by: Jeff George | April 17, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Since the D scheme is for DL to occupy blockers while the LB or DB attacks the QB, it seems to me that more than a highly skilled DL we need several heavy meat DTs rotating to wear out the oppposing OL. Think of it the same way as opposing Os RBs constantly pounding the line. At the end of the game, those RBs break off big defeating runs. If our O does what it should, then the opposing O will be having to play catch up with a bunch of worn out OLmen at the end of the game.

Posted by: Neil in Durango | April 17, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Jon, for width, I subtract 4.2 from 5.0 (0.8). For length, I subtract 10.1 from 11.2 (1.1). 0.8 x 1.1 = 8.8, right?

For stat monkey, this site points to a maybe good late rounder (Ameer Ismail from Central Michigan). Check out his turnover numbers (sacks and tackles for a loss).

Posted by: dcsween | April 17, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Finally! Someone with some sense!

No to LAndry.

Yes to big fat Branch!

Posted by: ExtremeSkins | April 17, 2007 2:27 PM | Report abuse

dcsween, sorry for the long explanation here but...

not quite, firstly, 0.8 x 1.1=0.88. Also, multiplying those 2 figures together does not work anyway. The simpler way to think about it is the larger area is 56 square feet, and the garden's area is 42.42. By merely subtracting the garden's area from from the total fenced area, you have the area within the fence that is not the garden (56-42.42=13.58).

A more complex way to do the problem, whcih you are getting at, is to calculate the area in sections. A diagram helps with this, but you can compute the area of 4 rectangles (2 pairs of identical ones) that surround the garden. You then must add the area of the corners not covered by these rectangles.

Anyway, back to the Redksins........although my Arsenal Gooners are about to kickoff against Man City on FSC!

Posted by: Jon | April 17, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

God bless Virginia Tech

Posted by: JonTPK126 | April 17, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Jon, thanks. Though I jammed on the SATs for math, its the attention to details that killed me. Lazy I am. That and the fact that, as X approached infinity, my ability to comprehend approached the trashcan.

All this talk about the first round (where whatever we do will be fine, as long as they do it right) has distracted us from the Skins true task ... which is finding four worthwhile second day picks.

Check out the timed speed by this local guy, Howard CB Geoffrey Pope. To me, that says SOLID return guy. The Bears found Devin Hester on the second day. Given that, on the Skins, special teams is its own unit, and given how Randel El is going to be more important as a receiver until Brandon Lloyd gets over his bad self, maybe the Skins should dedicate their second day picks to guy's whose best position is "athlete" and focus on special teams.

p.s. From everything I've read, Maryland's own CB Josh Wilson is looking to be the rich man's Devin Hester and should be gone in the second round if not the third.

Posted by: dcsween | April 17, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

sween, 4.29 is fast. Scary fast. Super-fast.

How does he rate in this class, and I don't mean compared to the fatties we D line mavens have been focusing on? Is there one site which lists trustworthy 40 times across the board?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 17, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

...and everybody loves the local kid, especially from a smaller school, fighting for a roster position in camp. The media loves it, the crowds at the Park love it, we all love it to death up here.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 17, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I ran the 40 yard dash in 4.2 seconds at the age of 40.

My fastest 40 yard dash time was 4.15 seconds.

Now THAT's scary fast.

Posted by: Darrell Green | April 17, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

dcsween, and math was always my strong suit (I also happen to be studying for the gmats, so I'm in prime test-taking mode).

From Football Outsiders, I haven't seen the numbers from last season, but the season before last (when Hester was still at the U), Randle-El was the best punt returner in the NFL. That said, the idea of him getting hurt returning kicks is a little scary......

Posted by: Jon | April 17, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

What up, DG?! I was just going to remark the Wikipedia has your fastest time at 4.125. How amazing is that chot?

Posted by: D7 | April 17, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Nate, on that Scott Wright mock site, he has the fastest time (including against RBs and WRs).

Posted by: dcsween | April 17, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I think I am gonna get a #28 and put GUMBY on the back. Just like a #21 with REAPER and #17 with SOUPY.

Does CAP'N CHAOS fit on a #47 jersey?

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 17, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

or CAP'N STUBBING on #21

Posted by: Smooty | April 17, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

#6DoubleEL- btw- I'm a Skinsfan in BMore, but can't make it to Towson on draft day. Good to know though, that local Glory Days are friendly wateringholes.

Posted by: D7 | April 17, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Ah, Darrell. He's the ex-Redskin I miss the most when training camp runs around. He played FOREVER, and when he lost a step he was still better than most, a Redskin through and through, the last active link to Gibbs 1.0... alas.

Uh-oh, rumor has it Vince Young is cover boy for the new Madden. Maybe the Titans will want to trade up for a QB...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 17, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Plus the uber-cool thing Darrell had where he stopped running the NFL's fastest man just to let the other dudes have a shot at it. Kind of like Ty Webb not keeping score.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 17, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse


The glory days chain was started in NOVA... they have the 'Hoggettes Sandwhich' (pulled pork), the REDSKIN Potatoes... etc.... they have sport memorabilia, since it is in the Baltimore Area, they have Colts and Ravens gear, but they also have Redskins gear as well. \

The Ravens fans seem to despise the fact that a number of Skins fans watch the games there (b/c of the stupidest rule about not showing Skins at the same time and only one non-skins game on fox a sunday). We represent well there, although I havent been since I moved to PA a year ago and got Sunday Ticket.

Interestingly enough, York County is a Baltimre Ravens first, but without the restrictions you have in Bmore, so Skins games are on every sunday (York County has the Eagles blocked up there).. so only two games a year I dont see the skins on reg TV, the two Ravens home games against NFC opponents which Fox carries.

Bye Bye Sunday Ticket!

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 17, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Darrell played so long that he had a full decade for Gibbs 1.0, and only missed Gibbs 2.0 by one season.

Posted by: 4-12 | April 17, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Oh crap, that reminded me of Darrell's upcoming candidacy for the Hall and how we'll have to balance our excitement for him (he HAS to get in the first time, right? right?) with our renewed angst about #81...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 17, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

#6ElEl: Ahhh, gotcha. Now that I think about it, one of my old roommates from W&M grew up in Reston and mentioned Glory Days a few times. Growing up a Skins and O's fan, I was a little torn with the prospect of a replacement football team in B-more. At first, they were AFC- so I could deal with it- you know they were my "AFC team." (Not to mention my lifelong love affair with defense- always a priority for the Ravens).

Then I went to a few games their 1st few seasons- Ravens fans HATE Redskins fans- or at least a lot of the younger or more intoxicated ones took pride in informing me so. Not to mention that was smack in the middle of the Post-Gibbs1.0 Era mediocrity. Fine. You folks have your team, I have mine. I've actually begun actively rooting against the Ravens, which is much easier considering my woman's Pittsburgh heritage.

Needless to say, i've found a great 'Skins hangout in Bmore- FedHill to be exact. Sly Fox Pub on Fort Avenue. It's run by the brother of the guy who runs the Sly Fox in Annapolis- for those who are interested. Great place. They're also huge Tech supporters- sigh.

Posted by: D7 | April 17, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Jamaal Anderson was on Best Damn last night. He's a big guy - and has LOTS of personality. Also bears quite a resemblance to Ludacris.

Posted by: Lisa | April 17, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Nate- You got that right. DG will get in, but they'll keep #81 out again. Instead, they'll elect Cris know with all of his "signature" playoff and Super Bowl catches. What's that? None come to mind? Hmpffff

Posted by: 4-12 | April 17, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

debbie gibson "only in my dreams"
tone loc's funky cold medina
MJ's Bad
george michael's faith album, the whole thing.
Guns and Roses heaven
vanila ice's stolen work (was that 90's?)

etrod, where can you get that list? it's awesome.

Posted by: dealer | April 17, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Anybody know where I can find some footage of the lower bowl at RFK wobbling during a playoff frenzy? I'm almost positive I've seen it before on NFL Films or an espn retrospective.

Posted by: D7 | April 17, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Also on the fakery tip: Milli Vanilli

Ba-ba-ba-bah, ba-ba-ba-bah baby!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 17, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Walk this Way wasn't even the best RunDMC song during the 80s.

Posted by: Hip Hop LIves. Rap is Dead and Stinkin'. | April 17, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

kind of a quiet afternoon ... I'm betting our man on the beat, JLaC, is cooking up something ... emails and phone calls ... but admittedly, there really can't be that much Skins stuff to report on ...

One thing that pleases me (and maybe other profootballtalk readers noticed this too ... on the "Turd Watch") is that the players of the NFC East seem to have kept their noses clean and stayed out of trouble so far this offseason. I'm especially liking how there is no offseason intrigue/worry about a free safety. Last season's offseason Skins news (ATVs, etc.) made it not so fun to be a Skins fan. On the behavior front for the whole team generally, no news is great news (esp. now that the NFL has a new sheriff in town).

Posted by: dcsween | April 17, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

PFT Reports that their sources are telling them that they don't really care if a player smokes Pot or not. So why test for it? It dosen't give you a boost or anything like that......

Posted by: ExtremeSkins | April 17, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

hail victory
braves on the warpath
fight for old dc
run and pass and score
we want a lot more
beat em swamp touchdown
let the points soar
hail victory
braves on the warpath
fight for old dc

Don't dog us in the draft this year Gibbs, Danny and Crazy Eyes. Know its tough but rational thought out moves.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 17, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

good point sween,

hopefully you didnt just jinx us though

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 17, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

ExtremeSkins, who are the 'they' in your post? I didn't quite follow.

Testing for illegal drug use (no matter what your opinion of whether the drug should be legal) makes a hell of a lot of sense in a league as high-profile as the NFL.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 17, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of all's quiet on the Eastern front, I wonder how Bum's boy is getting along in his new gig. Anybody got any dope on how T.O. has welcomed the new boss?

Warning: a T.O. rap song comes on automatically on that page. I just lost some IQ points listening to it while I frantically searched for a stop button.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 17, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

If we trade down twice we can have four picks that we should have already possessed anyway.

We could still draft about 15-20 and get a good Def player and then draft a couple of more Def players as well.

Then we could risk a little more and draft a Marcus Thomas who is a Rd 1 talent but will slip to day 2 because he was kicked off of UF Gators.

But if we don't trade down then we cannot risk any picks whatsoever.

What were Vinny and Danny thinking to get us into this mess?

Posted by: Redskin Ray | April 17, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor hardest hitter in the NFL:

Nice to see the Reaper get some respect.
Also nice to see Roy 'Toasty' Williams didn't make the list.

Posted by: Diesel | April 17, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

There's a Cowboys fan who sits across from me, and she saw a projection that they would take one of the USC WRs in the first round. She was not happy about that, says they need help on the O line before another primadonna receiver.

I didn't have the heart to tell her that history says this will be the year for T.O. as locker room cancer, coach migraine, thrower-of-QB-under-bus. Especially as Wade struggles to find his way and the team starts, say 3-5. Fun times in Big D.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 17, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

NAte - They are PFT's sources (GMs,Agents,Scouts,the Janitor, etc., etc.)

I don't believe they test for Mary Jane in the NBA, the player from Golden State estimated that 80% of thier league smokes.

The question came up because it has been said that a 'Blue Chipper' has admitted to front office officials that he has 'experimented' with the substance in College.

Follow me now?

Posted by: ES | April 17, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but Troy Palamalu is not a top 5 hitter....

Posted by: ES | April 17, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Nate, your Cowboys neighbor puts even the daffiest of Cowboys fans to shame. Go O-line in the first round after resigning Gurode, inking Lenny "Buffet" Davis, and signing Molinaro? Hahahahaha.

What's wrong with drafting a receiver? Terry Glenn? She's about 40, and TO is just a winged unicorn away from a meeting with St. Peter. Crayton showed flashes, but is still unproven in my mind. I'd be happy w/ Steve Smith or Jarrett, or this guy Meacham(?).

This Cowboys moment brought to you by...

Posted by: SMACK | April 17, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

SO who administers these drug tests, and are players routinely tested for weed, and what's the punishment if a player tests positive for weed?

Do you mean that the fellow admitting weed smokage to prospective employers need not worry because teams and the league don't test for weed, or that he need not worry because there is no penalty for a positive test, or that

Sorry, I am missing the point and actually getting a contact high just trying to follow what you mean. I need some snacks.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 17, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Aha, I knew that would lure you out of the shadows, SMACK!

My Cowgirl neighbor was muttering something about the running game. She is not psyched for Jarrett.

I should regale her with stories of Moley Russell's Wart doing feats of strength during his time at the Park. Between him and Fatso "I don't really care for football" Davis the 'Boys should have a solid, solid O line this year.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 17, 2007 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, I feel a little bit stoned trying to parse that ES post -- and I'm not being intentionally obtuse, dude -- especially after having my head explode "Scanners"-style with that Math question earlier today.

As Dorf would say, if he weren't on a break, "Uff da!"

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 17, 2007 5:28 PM | Report abuse

If you can smoke the sticky icky and still have enough aggression to play football, then more power to you.

They will look a little silly running down the field at 3 miles an hour though; and even though I've never played in the NFL, I would venture to say that it is hard to catch a ball with a pringles can stuck to your hand

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 17, 2007 5:29 PM | Report abuse

More talking head at this afternoon's chat at ESPN.

Brent (VA): Do the Redskins trade out of 6? If so who moves up Miami, Chicago, NE, etc.?

SportsNation Nolan Nawrocki: (4:22 PM ET ) They are trying to trade down. It's an expensive position to be in, however, and finding a buyer is a lot more difficult than it might appear, and I don't see anyone being willing to move up right now. Don't rule out the Broncos.

>>>> Sounds like insider information ... only substitute "Broncos" with any other team's name (except Redskins) and it still sounds equally credible.

David (Lackawanna NY): If Peterson is available at 6 do the bills trade with the skins to get him? what will they have to give up?

SportsNation Nolan Nawrocki: (4:39 PM ET ) I do not see the Bills trading up for Peterson. I think they have bigger needs on defense at CB and LB and I think there's a pretty strong chance he could even be gone at No. 5 to Arizona.

To move from 12 to 6, based on the points chart that teams use, they would likely have to give up at least a mid-second-round pick.

>>>> Which is just what the Skins are looking for. Act now and we'll throw in Ade Jimoh.

Posted by: dcsween | April 17, 2007 5:30 PM | Report abuse

They sure seemed to care about Stickybud Ricky. The only athletes they should test for weed are those professional eaters. That test is so damn easy to beat anyway. Whizzinator OUT!

Posted by: SMACK | April 17, 2007 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I am a professional 'game day inactive' thank you very much.

Posted by: Jim Molinaro | April 17, 2007 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Nate - They were just bringing up the topic since a top ten guy has admitted to some teams with the experimentation.

They test players for EVERYTHING illeagal, which includes the Ganga.

Their 'League Sources' tell them that prob the magority of these kids smoke or have smoked, so it's not a big to them.

You get the suspension if you fail the drug test for anything.

Question - Should their be more leniancy towards 'weed' positive tests?

Posted by: ES | April 17, 2007 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I seriously think the Redskins are trying to get Eric Weddle in the 2nd round. He is a versatile guy, which means the Redskins would NOT get Landry but maybe a DT.

Posted by: DCdangerous | April 17, 2007 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Warren Sapp had the weed allegations in '95, and that dropped him to around 11th or 12th in the 1st round if memory serves. We of course used our 4th overall pick in that draft on Michael Wes... forget it. I won't say his name.

Posted by: 4-12 | April 17, 2007 5:45 PM | Report abuse

I think we should all thank 4-12 for showing restraint in not saying the full name.

I think if you say it out loud three times he comes back.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 17, 2007 5:53 PM | Report abuse

If player conduct (or, at least, the public perception of player conduct) in important to the NFL -- and it is, at least right now -- then players' use of weed will remain a matter of heightened scrutiny in the draft. REALLY.

Posted by: dcsween | April 17, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Michael Wes... | April 17, 2007 5:57 PM | Report abuse

I understood there would be no math on this blog. . .

Posted by: sfskin | April 17, 2007 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I gotta believe that they only pursue positives on wacky tabacky when it is above a certain level. I mean if everyone who came up positive for weed in America was dinged we'd have to turn all of Nevada into a prison/detention/rehab facility rather than just the parts we have now.

With the amount of pain killers these guys take is it even possible to see a positive on weed in their urine?

Posted by: sfskin | April 17, 2007 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Cheyenne - um if we don't live in the past then we can't be real Skins fans isn't that in the bylaws?

I'm doing my part with gratuitous posts to get to 50k!

Posted by: sfskin | April 17, 2007 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Makes me wonder about the QBs and RBs who analysts describe as having "great field vision"

Posted by: 4-12 | April 17, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

DCdangerous, what do you base your thinking on? Has someone from the Redskins spoken about Weddle?

Here's a hypothetical: If the draft goes Johnson, Adams, Russell, Quinn, Peterson, Do the Redskins take Thomas at #6?

I realize this scenario is a long, long shot, but if it were to happen and one of you out there were The Beltbuckled One, would you pull the trigger on Joe Thomas?

Posted by: mugamack | April 17, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey didn't everyone see that Sallie Mae just sold herself for $25billion. Nice job!

Sallie Mae - time to buy the team and get us all 50 yard tickets in a new stadium! Oh plus I'll need round trip transpo to DC.

Posted by: sfskin | April 17, 2007 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Skins news (sort of, at least the skin part of it) ... the team announced the roster for next season's cheerleading squad ... and my first round pick survived the cuts!

Posted by: dcsween | April 17, 2007 6:06 PM | Report abuse

I hate United Airlines. My flight from Boston to SFO is delayed, which will cause me to mis-connect en route to Seattle. Naturally, they won't compensate for the hotel (not that I care, I'll be at the W and they wouldn't pay anyway, but it's the thought that counts). I hate flying. I really need my own jet.

The good news is that I continue to smuggle hair gel past the TSA. I feel safer already.

Posted by: P Diddy | April 17, 2007 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I am flying back to DC on Thursday afternoon for a couple of days. I think its on United, maybe I should change it huh?

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 17, 2007 6:24 PM | Report abuse

The 80's were and still are poo

Lisa - I thought it was pretty dumb myself, considering Washington is one probably our most consistent performer! But whoever it was seemed extremely confident, something along the lines of "Mark my words, Washington WILL be cut!"

Posted by: kost52 | April 17, 2007 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Gratuitous post towards 50K.

Posted by: 4-12 | April 17, 2007 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Hey Redskins Ray, sorry I haven't gotten back to ya...been pretty busy. You make some good points on your rebuttle there, but I had absolutely no problem with you wishing someone a happy Easter. It was when you said "Most important and probably most missed; Easter is a reminder of the Lord coming to earth yet rejected by the hatred of humanity, being crucified, but rising again being vindicated, proving he really was whom he stated himself to be." Nothing wrong with that sentence, but it just seems pretty preachy to me. If a satanist came on here and wrote on the blog "Today is a reminder of the great satan and how he is better than God and is a martyr for all humans," I would react the same exact way. It sounds preachy, like the person is persuading you what to believe. Talking about trivial stuff is fine to me, but when you start spreading the gospel in here, idk it just gets on my nerves for some reason. Anyway, just how I feel. On a sadder note, what happened at VT has sickened me and I am praying for the families and all those involved. It's a very tough deal.

Posted by: Macaca Johnson | April 17, 2007 6:43 PM | Report abuse

McShay from ESPN has Crosby going to the Cowboys in Round 3. He has the Skins taking Okoye at #6, DE Xavier Jackson - Missouri in the 5th Rnd, OG Cameron Stephenson - Rutgers in the 6th Rnd, WR Dallas Baker - Florida in the 6th Rnd, CB Reggie Lewis - Florida in the 7th Rnd.

Posted by: kost52 | April 17, 2007 6:57 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Anonymous | April 17, 2007 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Vinny's IPOD, (I got this from an inside source who wishes to remain nameless)

1. Loser- Beck
2-10. See #1

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 17, 2007 11:28 AM

Hey, somehow they missed -
I'm A Loser - Beatles

Posted by: oops! | April 17, 2007 8:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure if these are actual rumours, or made up scenarios, but interesting either way!

Posted by: kost52 | April 17, 2007 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Forgive all the screwups of opening day - warm beers, hot dogs with no buns and long lines...Nats wearing VT hats tonight. Stan Kasten is the best.

Posted by: RBD202 | April 17, 2007 9:15 PM | Report abuse

The 80's were and still are poo

Posted by: kost52 | April 17, 2007 06:38 PM

Mate, is that poo as in what my 4 month old does many times a day, or is it Australian slang for something good? lol

Posted by: Anonymous | April 17, 2007 9:18 PM | Report abuse

sorry kost52- that last one was from me

Posted by: 4-12 | April 17, 2007 9:20 PM | Report abuse

16th Amendment
In 1913, Wyoming ratified the 16th Amendment, providing the three-quarter majority of states necessary to amend the Constitution. The 16th Amendment gave Congress the authority to enact an income tax. That same year, the first Form 1040 appeared after Congress levied a 1 percent tax on net personal incomes above $3,000 with a 6 percent surtax on incomes of more than $500,000.

Posted by: F###K Wyoming!!! | April 17, 2007 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Soy un perdedor

Posted by: Vinny Cerratto | April 17, 2007 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Hahaha no Aussie slang here mate! I reckon it's like your 4 month old's daily deposits!

Posted by: kost52 | April 17, 2007 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I think I'll pick up Eileen and Michelle B. as undrafted free agents.

Back to football, I would be fine with Landry "L2" so I'm kinda on the long as we pick D I guess I will be happy. I'm also intrigued by the kicker someone was talking about earlier.

Posted by: RockyTopSkin | April 17, 2007 9:43 PM | Report abuse

kost, the link to those trade scenarios don't look like bona fide rumors to me ... just complicated Madden trade scenarios based on possibilities (the fact that NE has two first rounders) and widely whispered truths (the Skins want to move down) and the obvious (that Oakland has way more problems than one draft can fix). Still, it does make for fun reading....

Posted by: dcsween | April 17, 2007 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Just making sure I wasn't missing something.

I see that Brendan Cannon had to retire from Super 14. Was he a big star?
Of course, reading that a "34-year-old veteran hooker" retired has an entirely different meaning here in the States!

Posted by: 4-12 | April 17, 2007 9:46 PM | Report abuse

4-12 -

I don't know if I'd say he was a big star, hooker isn't exactly a glamour position, but he was a regular for the Wallabies (National team) for the last 5 or 6 six years, so he wasn't exactly a bum. It's an interesting comp the Super 14, it's made up of 5 teams from South Africa, 5 from New Zealand, and 4 from Australia.

Posted by: kost52 | April 17, 2007 10:10 PM | Report abuse


We're you thinking that over here, poo might have something to do with that statistic which Nate loves so much, disposals?? haha

Posted by: kost52 | April 17, 2007 10:13 PM | Report abuse

kost52- Awesome! Maybe that's why I was thinking poo was good.
And you had the quote of the day, even though it was unintentional: "hooker isn't exactly a glamour position".

Posted by: 4-12 | April 17, 2007 10:18 PM | Report abuse

hahaha I've never really understood why the position is called a hooker, would that make the coach a pimp?

dcsween - I agree, especially once it starts getting into 3 or 4 team trades, it starts to seem a little absurd. The first scenario seems feasible, and it sort of ties in with what J-La says.

Posted by: kost52 | April 17, 2007 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Well, it looks like Vince Young will get hurt this season....he is going to be on the cover of Madden.

Posted by: Lisa | April 17, 2007 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Makes you kind of glad there's never been a Redskin on the cover doesn't it!

Posted by: kost52 | April 17, 2007 10:49 PM | Report abuse

I tell you what....if I were a player and was offered the cover I would absolutely turn it down. Past history is just too telling.

Posted by: Lisa | April 17, 2007 11:17 PM | Report abuse

ESPN held a chat with Jamaal Anderson, when asked which teams had shown interest in him, he reeled off Detroit, Tampa, Minnesota, Atlanta, St. Louis, San Francisco, Kansas City. Didn't mention the Skins.

Posted by: kost52 | April 17, 2007 11:31 PM | Report abuse

kost, watch the clip: Jamaal was wearing a Redskins bathrobe and eating a slice of Papa John's pizza when he was answering that question. The signs are all there.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 17, 2007 11:44 PM | Report abuse

What's Papa John's??

I did think it a little odd, he was directly asked a question about if he had visited the Redskins and how it went, but he managed to avoid answering it.

Posted by: kost52 | April 17, 2007 11:50 PM | Report abuse

I'd trade the 6th pick for a full-time, dedicated and knowledgable GM, if we could. Gibbs keeps talking about fixing 'past mistakes', about training, showing the playbook in the pre-season, etc., but the team's greatest flaw, the lack of a GM, is still unaddressed. Gibbs is ONE out of touch, stubborn and BLIND on this issue, or TWO under his humble, aw-sucks persona, too power hungry to relinguish control or THREE is so focused on winning now that he is willing to mortgage our future and leave us with a bad team for five years after he leaves. He will forever ruin the team by trading away youth for old guys on their last legs who he feels comfortable with. I don't care what Gibbs has done in the past, he could not have done it without the players who were chosen by GM Beathard. Gibb's big flaw is using past performance as his sole criteria when choosing players, hence, he tends to bring in guys who have already laid it out on the field and have little left. Wise teams know that you also need to factor in the mathematics of longevity. Not only do you consider proven talent, but the years he is able to perform for you. 10 solid years from a young guy you bring in is worth more than two great years from an ageing veteran. Gibbs has been doing the trade draft picks/sign 30-year+ veterans for so long that not only are we bad, but the team we have is geriatric and will only worsen in years to come. Get a GM, Mr. Gibbs, or do this city a favor and step down. In the meantime, draft Okoye. Even if he isn't the great player some are saying he'll be, it will at least show a renewed dedication towards building a team around youth.

Posted by: SmittyT | April 17, 2007 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Hear hear, Smitty. Well said.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 18, 2007 12:01 AM | Report abuse

kost, Papa John's is a regional purveyor of crappy pizza, and they had and may still have a cozy marketing relationship with the Skins. Sorry for the silliness. I made that whole thing up.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 18, 2007 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Papa John's had an incredibly stupid (for them) deal one season (maybe 1999?): on the day after a Skins game, they would subtract from the price of all pizzas $1 for each touchdown the Skins scored.

The Skins went on an unlikely scoring rampage, so Papa John's was giving away a lot of pies for super cheap. I remember gleefully calling them and trying to think up ways to take full advantage (do you have a pizza larger than large?).

It became a running joke because they had obviously been counting on another year of mediocre offensive production and got burned... and of course they've scaled WAY back on the generosity of their tie-in offers since then.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 18, 2007 12:11 AM | Report abuse

That's alright Nate! My bad for being so gullible. I thought it a little odd that there'd be a clip for a web chat! hahaha

Posted by: kost52 | April 18, 2007 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Halfway to our 500 comment/day quota, kost. We're going to need some reinforcements up here.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 18, 2007 12:43 AM | Report abuse

I doubt Papa Johns lost much money on the deal, but they sure got slammed on those high-scoring Mondays... it became less of a promo to "award the fans" and more of a "hey everybody, free pizza!" stampede.

Good times.

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 18, 2007 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Yeah strange isn't it, considering it's the best thread we've had in a couple of weeks! Also you'd think that the closer we get to draft day, the more speculation there'd be on different draft choices/trades!

Posted by: kost52 | April 18, 2007 12:55 AM | Report abuse

I think we exhausted ourselves with the proposed Briggs shabingus (which could still happen, lest we forget) and anything involving Denver, like the proposed Dre Bly shabingus.

We can and will rally now that J-La is back from 'parenting' and providing the goods once again.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 18, 2007 1:10 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, free stuff. People love free stuff. I had a friend once who liked to say, "If it's free, it's for me."

Like free ice cream cone day at Ben & Jerry's, which was today. On the way home I saw a huge line of people wrapped round a downtown Portland block, and I was wondering what on earth all the fuss was about on a drizzly Tuesday afternoon. Then I saw someone with a cone, and another, and another, and it dawned on me.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 18, 2007 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I missed out on the Dre Bly trade rumours, only arrived during the Briggs shabingus (loving that word, say it all the time over here and no one knows what the hell I'm talking about). Very glad the Briggs rumours are all but gone.

Posted by: kost52 | April 18, 2007 1:42 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else think Anderson is keeping quiet about the Redskins because he was instructed by the team to keep his mouth shut so the Redskins could trade down to 8 or 10 and take him there? Otherwise it doesn't make sense why he would avoid associating himself with the team with the best draft pick that has been rumored to take him. Some biznas is going on there.

So assuming the Skins take Anderson, what do you think they would do with him? Pass rush subsititute? Spell Daniels? Left or right side? Or both?

Why do people like Carriker over Anderson? Carriker comes from a 3-4 and isn't an outside rusher who gets to the quarterback. He's not a bad player, but I just don't see how people rate him ahead of Anderson.

Posted by: mugamack | April 18, 2007 2:16 AM | Report abuse

Look at this pic of Carriker.

Even "football smarts" looks like it could be a real stretch for this guy.

Of course, if ABC decides to greenlight a "Life Goes On" remake, this guy could totally out-do Bozworth, Howie Long and O.J for Hollywood longetivity.

Posted by: mugamack | April 18, 2007 2:32 AM | Report abuse

Oh man! I so remember the time I went to the Redskins vs Chicago on Oct. 28 or something. I remember seeing it was a Domino's deal where you bring your ticket to Domino's and you get one dollar off a large pizza for every touchdown from that game. That was the game when Dan Wilkinson intercepted the ball and went 95 yards for a touchdown. Redskins 48 Chicago 22. I got $8 off my large pizza! Everyone rejoiced seeing the number of dollars off rising. The announcer reminded us every time the Redskins scored a touchdown.

Posted by: DCdangerous | April 18, 2007 3:25 AM | Report abuse

DCDangerous, where are you getting your info on the Skins being interested in Weddle?

Posted by: mugamack | April 18, 2007 3:27 AM | Report abuse

Dangerous, that was a great game - we dominated from the first snap - I remember Davis (I think) running the length of the field for the first TD.

Just looked it up - 6 touchdowns - $6 off!

Posted by: mugamack | April 18, 2007 3:33 AM | Report abuse

The one and only thing I like about Domino's is online ordering. There are days when I just can't be bothered talking to people...

Is the draft here yet???

Posted by: P Diddy | April 18, 2007 4:10 AM | Report abuse

1) Nate, it would be a Dre Blingus I think...
2) I would like to welcome those of you who have chosen to ride upon the L2 train. Please be aware that this train makes frequent stops. It also makes plays. We need plays made.
3) I am the first one to admit that safety isn't our biggest 'need'. Here's my thing: none of these other chooches that are up top of the draft board are the answer to fill our needs. You can mark it down and then hold it up in the air at a gathering when you and your boys are watching football and you can tell them to pipe down because you have a date stamp. We draft the best player possible.
4) I'm in Calgary which is in Canada. Everything is weird. Their television programming is subpar and the coverage of sport is like watching a junior high school news program rehearse without the teacher present.
5) I would never hang out in Regina (Ruh-GYE-NUH).

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | April 18, 2007 4:45 AM | Report abuse

Welcome back, Pops. We missed you.

Trading down for picks is a great scenario, but I wouldn't be disappointed if the Redskins used the pick on Amobi Okoye. After the near trade for Lance Briggs and how it came about, I have no confidence at all that Snyder will keep his mitts off. The more involved he is, the greater the screw-up potential.

Posted by: Master4caster | April 18, 2007 7:02 AM | Report abuse

AMTTS, there is one must-do item in Canada, as far as I'm concerned: the breakfast sandwiches at Tim Horton's.

TH is basically Dunkin' Donuts combined with Starbucks, slinging donuts and joe all across Canada and slowly making inroads across the border. But those innovative Canadians have outdone themselves with the breakfast sandwich. You know what it is about these little delights, it's the biscuits. Freakin' delicious.

Since you are an Entertainer on the Road, I would imagine you have already availed yourself of this slice of heaven on earth. If not, make your morning a hell of a lot better by getting there ASAP.

When are you coming to Portland? I go past a comedy club on the way to work every morning. Would be awesome to see "ArtMonkToTheSticks" on their marquee.

So the Canadian press probably isn't giving you the goods on the NFL draft, eh? At least you're getting good hockey highlights. And SCTV reruns.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 18, 2007 8:16 AM | Report abuse

And the teevee show Trailer Park Boys, which I would count as the second greatest thing currently available in Canada, after the Tim Horton's breakfast sandwich but only by the slenderest of margins.

Also, AMTTS, sorry for mentioning the #81 HOF shabingus above. I needed to get my advance concern out there, but now I regret it. Sort of a bad mojo thing.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 18, 2007 8:18 AM | Report abuse

mugamack (I think I've been writing mugamUck this whole time, sorry about that), how can you not love the picture of a Carriker -- a guy who puts on a suit jacket and tie, but doesn't shave. Sure, he's ugly, but its not like he's Nate Clements-ugly.

If the Skins do go for Carriker, it would be to update the role currently played by Daniels -- big and beefy DE bookend (counterposed against lean and speedy Andre Carter).

Favorite SCTV character -- Peppy Longsocks (Romanian Pippy Longstockings, with out of sync fake dubbing) played by John Candy ("Peppy, you are unusual"). Plus Edith Prickly, as well as Gil Fisher, the fishin' musician ("Good dog, Shadow, sit").

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 8:52 AM | Report abuse

"I'm Yosh Schmenge!"
"And I'm Stan Schmenge!"
"And we're the Happy Wanderers!"

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 18, 2007 9:41 AM | Report abuse

There's ugly and then there's ugly. Popeye Jones?

Such an iconic figure -- the incredibly homely but otherwise anonymous NBA journeyman -- that no less than Yo La Tengo dedicated a song to him when I saw them a few years ago at the 9:30.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 18, 2007 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Nate, that Papa John's/Skins promotion was much more recent than 1999 - although they may have done it then as well. The promotion was only 2-3 years ago.

Posted by: Lisa | April 18, 2007 9:48 AM | Report abuse

It was explained to me growing up as a lad in Detroit that "we didn't need cable, because we had channel 9 in Windsor". Wacky Canadian humour (!) indeed.
I suspect that the real reason was that no one could meet Mayor Coleman A. Young's price, oh, that, and the fact that most cable systems consider "employee turnover" the number of employees who quit the job, not the number that don't make it back at the end of the day.

Motown -- My Town...

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 18, 2007 9:56 AM | Report abuse

There was also a free pizza topping for each TD scored, a promotion I remember being more recent.

Glad my weak joke about Jamaal Anderson has spawned an in-depth discussion of the Papa John's promotional calendar. Hey, at least it's vaguely related to football.

(I had hoped to lure Ricky Bobby out of his silence so he could issue one of those classic 'Loooove that chicken at Popeye's' references which were his bread and butter in the dark days of late '06.)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 18, 2007 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Nate -- just go back to the magic of Super Bowl night.... like moths to a flame, they cannot resist.

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 18, 2007 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Nate, the more I read your posts in this blog, the more anxious I am to sit down at a McMenamin's with you.
Have you tried a Rubinator? Half Ruby, half terminator. Like eating a raspberry chocolate bar, only totally different.
As for receivers with Pringles cans on their hands,Cheyenne, I doubt seriously, because the boo provides no advantage before or during games.
It's medicinal qualities are best received in the jacuzzi after a particularly physical contest.
This post is simply adding to the total and has no other redeeming qualities.

Posted by: flipthatswitch | April 18, 2007 10:06 AM | Report abuse

beep beep new post!

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2007 10:11 AM | Report abuse

NAte - Did you go to sleep last night? I can't tell?

Posted by: ExtremeSkins | April 18, 2007 10:12 AM | Report abuse

So Nate -- I followed your link to the Sea Devils site yesterday, and had two items of note:
1. Nice ad for the Sea Devils logo-ware... start with a head shot of a nice-looking girl, then zoom in and down to the tee-shirt. Need to see something like that for the RI apparel line.
2. I just received an email -- in German -- from a Mr. Hermann-Joeseph Lamberti of Deutsche Bank, informing me that I just won the German Lottery -- I think. I'm not sure what Sicherheitsanwendung is, but I'm quitting my job and flying over there today!

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 18, 2007 10:17 AM | Report abuse

The Papa Johns free topping promotion still goes on for each TD scored. After the SF Win in 2005,(52-21?),Papa had problems cooking the pizzas with seven toppings. Of course since we do not score alot at home you all probably forgot.

Posted by: DC in DC | April 18, 2007 10:19 AM | Report abuse

"If the Skins do go for Carriker, it would be to update the role currently played by Daniels -- big and beefy DE bookend (counterposed against lean and speedy Andre Carter)."

More like: it would be to update the role currently played by Daniels -- old and crappy DE bookend with a young and good one (counterposed against a lean and underachieving Andre Carter).

Still though, I far prefer Gaines Adams...and think I prefer Okoye over Carriker or Anderson

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2007 10:22 AM | Report abuse

After a mostly prudent and productive off-season/free agency period this year, watching the Redskins and waiting to see what they do before the draft is like standing on a beach and watching a tsunami coming towards you.

Posted by: Rip Current | April 18, 2007 10:28 AM | Report abuse

beep beep . . .

New Post

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2007 10:29 AM | Report abuse

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