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The NFL Looks for Gang Signs

There continues to be nothing on the Favre-to-DC front, but this is an intriguing read. The NFL is reviewing videotapes for signs of players making gang signs. You guys watch a lot of fubball; is this a problem?

Back to Favre patrol.

By Cindy Boren  |  July 16, 2008; 12:41 PM ET
 
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Just say no to Favre! And gangs! And drugs! And school! Wait a minute...

Posted by: [cc] | July 16, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Lets go Get Brett!

Posted by: Hopkins | July 16, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

from previous thread:


Coat, I generally find myself agreeing with you most of the time, but not even close this time. To say that you know what you have in Rodgers based on 3 quarters of a game against the worst cover safety in the league and one of the worst secondaries outside of newman is just silly. They have no idea how rodgers will be with teams game planning against him and better defenses, he is very much a mystery.

Posted by: zjfr2 | July 16, 2008 1:05 PM

Posted by: zjfr2 | July 16, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

(]:';".*^^!$@=-

Posted by: RI Gang Sign | July 16, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Chia - scuba at Sebastian inlet. Awesome. Should be good surfing there too. Dixie Crossroads is in Titusville up 95 a tad.

Posted by: Dik | July 16, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

If anyone really doesn't want Farve for 3 years you must be retarded. Obviously if it happened it would be the end of Campbell period. May as well trade him at that point. With an aging Defense Farve would make us playoff contenders again this year. Chances of us winning 5 in a row again to squeak in is unlikley. Look at all the controversey when Dallas was signing TO, he instantly took them to the next level. I know that it isn't Farve of 5-7 years ago but he is better than anything we have or will have for the next 2-3 years without him. Besides.. who doesn't like to watch Farve play... I would Trade Campbell for Farve yesterday and I have been a loyal fan since '79

Posted by: Dianna | July 16, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Yankees show appropriate respect for the Southeast at all times, treating it like the giant pig farm that it is.

Posted by: Noah | July 16, 2008 1:08 PM

Posted by: Noah | July 16, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

The Alfalfa hair style will no longer be permitted.

Posted by: Our Gang sign | July 16, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Gang signs are ubiquitous now-a-days, school kids flash them, sorority girls, soccer moms, ero-trash over here on vacay exploiting the exchange rate....this is pointless. Is it disburbing if you dig deep into meaning? Of course. Can it be stopped? No. Is it a waste of time for the No Fun League?...obviously.

Posted by: chris LArry | July 16, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, let's all switch to the Buckwheat look.

Posted by: Buckwheat | July 16, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm worried that Clinton Portis is in the infamous "give the football CPR" gang........their rival gang "pop a cap in da football" is growing more and more violent. Let's hope that they aren't rep-re-zent-in' at any games this year. It could be trouble......

Posted by: dlhaze | July 16, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

That's my sense of it, too, chris LArry.

Posted by: Cindy | July 16, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Some of us need a primer on basic gang signs.

Posted by: Redcoat's Gang | July 16, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I grew up watching Brett Farve play and enjoyed every second of it. I have nothing but respect for him. You can tell he truly loves the game. That being said, I feel that Farve will never preform like he did last year with whatever team he ends up with. Of course I might be wrong but The Redskins don't need more attention from the media. What we need is for players to gel and it would make that harder with ESPN and the entire world nosing around Redskins Park. Keep JC as QB and lets stay under the radar and win in the playoffs.

Posted by: Skinsophrenic | July 16, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm with Z on this one. Rodgers is not a known commodity by any stretch of the imagination. When you have about 10 games that D's can look at and scheme against you then you start earning your money.

Posted by: Skinz | July 16, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

JOSH MCCOWN INJURES THROWING HAND
Posted by Josh Alper on July 16, 2008, 8:36 a.m.
The decision to let his little brother have the fun job may cost Josh McCown in his quest to be the starting quarterback of the Miami Dolphins.

McCown and his younger brother Luke, member in good standing of the Buccaneer quarterback auxiliary, were chopping firewood at their home in Texas when he was injured. Big brother held the wood for little brother who swang an ax that missed the wood and sliced the index finger of Josh's throwing hand. Josh needed six stitches has 10 days to recover before Miami opens camp.

The injury could have been worse, it seems, but it may hamper McCown enough for him to lose ground to John Beck or Chad Henne in the battle for the Dolphin starting job. Luke McCown isn't in line to start in Tampa but his lack of accuracy may hurt him in his own battle to remain a member of Jon Gruden's overflowing stable of quarterbacks.

UPDATE: It's been a long year for the index finger of McCown's throwing hand. During the 2007 season while playing for the Raiders, McCown smashed the same finger into a teammate's helmet.

Posted by: Dolphin Diary Update | July 16, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

that's a great idea if JC is good enough to even get us to the playoffs. Brett Favre is. Can you imagine what Portis could do if people actually had to respect our passing game?

Posted by: zjfr2 | July 16, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

school kids flash them, sorority girls, soccer moms

Aside from painting with VERY BROAD, and inaccurate strokes, in your statement above,
everyone is doing it, so we should just turn out back on it, and leave it alone. Heck, those gang members just need a hug, and they'll be ok.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Hard for me to comment on the gang sign thing as an NFL player doing some awkward sign language on the field hardly offends me. But I'm not the kind of person who would be affected by such things. I'm not a child, I'm not (and never have been) immersed in a gang-infested environment, and I'm not prone to being influenced by any glorification of gangs.

What I suspect is that parents and community leaders in those communities that ARE affected by this behavior have asked the NFL for help in combating such glorification. And who am I, with my posh suburban lifestyle, my relatively privileged upbringing, and my complete lack of understanding of the affected communities, to pass judgement on that?

Posted by: P Diddy | July 16, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Forget to mention, looking for gang signs is retarded. There is so much going on during any single play that a player picking his @$$ would be considered a gang sign. A gang from San Francisco maybe.

Posted by: Skinsophrenic | July 16, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait for training camp to begin, so we can talk about football instead of gang-signs.

Posted by: Fineline | July 16, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

If Todd Collins was able to perform as well as he did last season working in an offense that he was comfortable with( and THE reason for snoopy lovers to dis-credit what he was able to accomplish last season)...I believe that Brett Favre could do the same inside of 16 games next season for Washington( working inside of an offense that Holmgren and Zorn are VERY familiar with.)

And if Campbell is traded...good. Because we traded up from the 3rd round, to the 1st and all it cost us was the 3rd a 1st and a 4th.

If Campbell stays...he can impress us once again with his ability to comprehend a new offense, and learn it slowly.

However that is something that he has not had any success with before.

Posted by: Richmond Redskin | July 16, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

gawd anon your so predictable......Yeah I guess I am seeing things when I see people of ALL KINDS flash signs whenever someone has a camera. Actually have seen each group I mentioned do it with my own eyes. Many aspects of pop culture vernacular have seedy origins and than cross over into mainstream culture (ahem, Jazz, cough). I wasnt endorsing anything simply looking at through sociological lens.....I know what a lame thing to do....

Posted by: chris larry | July 16, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

this might be the dumbest thing the NFL has ever done, and consequently, may be the dumbest thread ever on this blog. I wish they were doing some analysis like the Times is of a position by position break heading into camp and what to watch for. That'd be nice. Aren't there like 3 staffers on this thing now, couldn't one of them do that?

Posted by: zjfr2 | July 16, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Okay, okay, here we go. For the "Ode to Sunday" haiku challenge, it's got to be a three-way tie:

Alex35332:

Drunk off four dark beers
Watching my crappy T.V.
How I play the game
cload and daggar:

swollen agony
Suisham kicks one hundred yards
right in the Rabachs

kost52:

As the season nears
I keep my fingers crossed tight
Please, no hammy pings

Posted by: Live from "Crowd Noise" | July 16, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

As much fun as it is to watch Farve. I hope the skins don't sign him. This is the year that they need to find out about Campbell. (I think he's the real deal). If he's not going to be the QB of the future they need to look for a long term solution and to clear some cap room. If he is the real deal, they need to sign him for the long run.

Posted by: Fineline | July 16, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I'ma pop a cap in yo' a$$, b!tch!

Posted by: not P Diddy | July 16, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

wait, I thought last year was the year to see if JC was the real deal after half a season of starting.......oh that's right, it was, but we're extending the deadline because he isn't and we're not ready to admit it. Here's to doing what we gotta to get Tim Tebow in 09!

Posted by: zjfr2 | July 16, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Yo Z Man Jack. I agree and will henceforth resist the urge to comment on such matters. Its been mucking this place up lately. And my fan club will just jump in my poop any way.

So hey fan club, relax a bit huh? We all love the Skins, how about drop the nameless anti-socialness and give us your take on the use of Mike Sellers this year?

Posted by: chris larry | July 16, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Soccer moms, sure you did cl, sure. Money/Mouth, post the pictures, otherwise you need to shut it...

and stop being such a martyr,

"what a lame thing to do".

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Good point Z. But JC didn't get a real chance to show us what he had, with the Injuries and the rest, (and he was in an offence ill suited to his stenths and weaknesses). I think the jury is still out on him.

Posted by: Fineline | July 16, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Never put all your eggs in one basket, especially when it's held by a QB from the University of Florida.

Posted by: Aesop | July 16, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Go F your own soccer mom anon

Posted by: chris larry | July 16, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I think Sellers has a pro bowl year, but mainly because he is going to plow the road for CP just like Mack Strong did for Alexander in those MVP years. (my how the mighty have fallen) and I was kidding about the Tebow thing btw, JC deserves a shot with all his weapons healthy. But I still say if Favre is available, get him.

Posted by: zjfr2 | July 16, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Now Cl do we have to give you the corner for such language? lol

Posted by: jm220 | July 16, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Point is.. The "Jury" isn't still out on Favre. Favre gives us a better chance of winning for the next 3 years than anyone else we have. What else is there to discuss?

Posted by: Dianna | July 16, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

"what a lame thing to do".

Posted by: | July 16, 2008 1:35 PM

You know, Anon, pretty much everything you write up here is the lamest of the lame. Your fixation with all things related to Chris Larry is beyond disturbing; seeking professional help at this point would be appropriate.

In the interim, the Committee has checked its files and is pleased to inform you that the blog nickname "Mr. Lame" is available for your exclusive use. We hope you'll enjoy being a more permanent and identifiable member of our community.

Have a nice day!

Posted by: RI Nickname Committee | July 16, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Some of us need a primer on basic gang signs.

Posted by: Redcoat's Gang | July 16, 2008 1:19 PM

Barging into a room, saying "Wot's all this then?" is one classic gang sign.

Posted by: Harry "Snapper" Organs | July 16, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

The Truth notes that the southeast is home to some of the best beaches in the United States, and also the "Best Mannered City" in the US for 10 straight years in Charleston, SC.


The Truth really doesn't need to say more.

Posted by: The Truth | July 16, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Also, The Truth would like to note that he took his lunch break to get away from Brett Fay-ver discussion and was insulted even further when ESPN had an "exclusive Brett Fay-ver interview" on TV.


The Truth spits in disgust!

Posted by: The Truth | July 16, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

"Go F your own soccer mom anon"

Translation:

I'm full of crap on the soccer moms statement I made earlier, and got called on it, and now I'm mad.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

The Truth is 100% sure Brett Favre will not be playing in 3 years.

Also, The Truth asks Dianna if s/he really thinks The Redskins will suddenly win a Superbowl with the only change being Favre under center?

The Truth answers his own question - NO.

Posted by: The Truth | July 16, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Wot's all this then?

Posted by: Fineline | July 16, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

"Keepin' it Real up in da field, aiiiigght."

..|..
my gang sign to all you gang haters.

Posted by: SE Jerome | July 16, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Are people moving from the Southeast to the Northeast or is it the other way around?

Posted by: Tulsa | July 16, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I dunno, I kinda think any public statement against gangs is a good thing. There sure is enough sentiment to the contrary. I like that the NFL makes a stand, not matter how ineffective or inconsequential, it should still be taken.

Posted by: Dik | July 16, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

This thread has brought out all of them.

Posted by: Tru Banger | July 16, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Chris Larry echoes the truth, SE Beaches kick azz....

Posted by: chris larry | July 16, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

What else is there to discuss?

Posted by: Dianna | July 16, 2008 1:38 PM

Dearest Dianna, you must be new around these here parts.
you got your jibba and your jabba, which are sorely lacking lately.

Posted by: RI welcome wagon | July 16, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I'll pop a cap in not Diddy!

Posted by: K Fed | July 16, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Never said the will win a super bowl. I am saying that he gives us a better chance of winning that any other option we have. If Vinny T can win a game at 44 I am sure Favre can play 3 more years. Plus, you know how motivated hew would be to prove the packers wrong?? He is already the most motivated player in the league.. With Favre, you know what you are getting. Our offensive weapons are way better than he has had in greenbay since he won the super bowl.

Posted by: Dianna | July 16, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Nate is our official welcome wagon.

Posted by: another regular incognito | July 16, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and I love the irony of a poster named P Diddy stating he hasn't been immersed in gang activity.

Well - I'm the Amazing Dik Shuttle of the Fabulous ShuttleLOUNGE and I have been immersed in ... booze.

Posted by: Dik | July 16, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

u got me anon. I will write on blackboard

"Will never insult the sacred soccer mom stereotype again"

Posted by: chris larry | July 16, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

you got your jibba and your jabba, which are sorely lacking lately.

Posted by: RI welcome wagon | July 16, 2008 1:49 PM

And she's also got her attitude, of which we already have more than we asked for. She's got more attitude than Tampa Bay has quarterbacks.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Put up all four fingers on one hand, and all three on the other, that's the Clumsy With Power Tools Gang sign.

Posted by: SMACK | July 16, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Let's stop making excuses for "the quarterback, the" and take a look at what he did statistically with a year and a half to learn "off the field" with Al's offense...

Now Let's take a known quantity like favre whose had success with a very similar offense that our head coach would like to run...

The positives outweigh the negatives.

Jason...wish you luck if you stay, and wish you luck if your bags are packed...nice try dude.

Posted by: Richmond Redskin | July 16, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

The Truth will correct Dianna. The Truth says that Favre is not the most motivated player in the league, but Favre is the most selfish player in the league.


The Truth knows he can't be the only person that saw through Favre last year? The Truth can't be the only person that knows he only came back to set records last year.


The Truth sighs.

Posted by: The Truth | July 16, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

ITA CL.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Random question for RI's...will we ever win a Super Bowl under Mr. Snyder?

It depresses me to admit it but my gut feeling is no. :(

Posted by: scheming against snyder | July 16, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Ms. D. "If Vinny T can win a game at 44 I am sure Favre can play 3 more years."

In all due respect, I think you logic is flawed. Just because one quarter back can play well enough to win one game, does not mean that another QB could still play well in the NFL at the same age.

By the way, what makes you so convinced that Farve will be better than Campbell next year, or even this year?

Posted by: Fineline | July 16, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Favre has no definite plans to apply for reinstatement
ESPN.com news services

We just need to pass on this Diva. JC will play well this year and all that are coming down on him make sure you show up to eat your words.

Posted by: jm220 | July 16, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I just clicked on the link above and went to a page on the LA Times website. I thought that was a no-no, delivering your customers to your competition's website.

And if it's not a no-no, isn't it a sign of how weak your own reporters are -- that they can't generate stories so you let other papers' reporters do your work for you? And you don't even independently verify the accuracy of their reporting?

Maybe I just don't understand Old Media doing New Media.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 16, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

u got me anon. I will write on blackboard

"Will never insult the sacred soccer mom stereotype again"


In other words, you're a liar.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

What's all this fuss about Gong Signs?

Posted by: Emily Latella | July 16, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

To correct Fineline. Favre is 38 so if he played 3 years her would be 41, not 44 as Vinny was last year. So, it was a point not so much a comparison. No way you can compare Vinny and Favre. Nothing is gauranteed, it's all speculation, you just go with what you know and the facts.. Again, point is based on FACTS, Favre give us the best chance to win period. If Campbell didn't get hurt last year I would bet we wouldn't have made the playoffs. So, not sure why you are so high on Campbell.

Posted by: Dianna | July 16, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Gang signs? Is that what Michael Vick was doing that one time he raised the backs of both his hands to the crowd with only the middle fingers raised? I'm pretty sure that wasn't the sign for the Van Buren Boys.

Also, I might be the only one worried about a fall off in performance from Sellers after that concussion that knocked him out on the field (I thought he had broken his neck and died). Shaun Alexander had a little fall off after his concussion.

Finally (right!), isn't Dianna also the first name of Mrs. Favre?

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

gawd anon your so predictable......Yeah I guess I am seeing things when I see people of ALL KINDS flash signs whenever someone has a camera. Actually have seen each group I mentioned do it with my own eyes. Many aspects of pop culture vernacular have seedy origins and than cross over into mainstream culture (ahem, Jazz, cough). I wasnt endorsing anything simply looking at through sociological lens.....I know what a lame thing to do....

Posted by: chris larry | July 16, 2008 1:27 PM

That wasn't me, cL. I am much more pointed with my attacks and criticism.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Saints Bush wants Kardashian to trim some booty

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-- NY Post

Posted by: 4th | July 16, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

No, it's Deanna, sween.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 16, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

" ... And if it's not a no-no, isn't it a sign of how weak your own reporters are ..."

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 16, 2008 2:02 PM

Nope, its a gang sign ... for the gang called Old Media.*

*Some of my favorite media are old media ... am I the only one who held on to his 8-track tapes?

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Interesting thought about gang signs: What happens when the radio in the QB's helmet fails? You got it! Plays are sent in by substitute players and (gasp) hand signs.

Hope the OC is up to speed on what are acceptable hand signals and what could be a possible gang sign.

Sorta off-topic: Then again, we will always have the memories ... Michael Vick giving the one-finger salute to his hometown "fans". I guess that is the gang he is rollin' with now.

Posted by: BoltsFan | July 16, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

. If Campbell didn't get hurt last year I would bet we wouldn't have made the playoffs

Since you can see how things turn out before they happen. Can you tell me what the lotto will be tomorrow? lol We don't know if the team would or wouldn't. To say that you know would be foolish.

Posted by: jm220 | July 16, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Sween--trade you some of my Betamax tapes for some of your 8-tracks. Do you have any Earth, Wind, and Fire?

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 16, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

* By the way, what makes you so convinced that Farve will be better than Campbell next year, or even this year? "fineline" *

Richmond Redskin response: (sigh)and just like "the truth" ,respond without responding.

Are you serious fineline? Or are you the mother to "the quarterback, the" ?

The experiment of "the quarterback, the" was an admirable one...but a failed one.

Given the age of the nucleus of this team, I don't believe that time to "groom" an another year out of a below average quarterback is a smart idea.

Posted by: Richmond Redskin | July 16, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Since you can see how things turn out before they happen. Can you tell me what the lotto will be tomorrow? lol We don't know if the team would or wouldn't. To say that you know would be foolish.

Posted by: jm220 | July 16, 2008 2:08 PM

What I was saying was that Collins did a kick ass job to get us to the playoffs and that I don't think Campbell could have done enough to get us those 5 wins. MAybe he would have but again, my point is that Favre is a better option. Campbell is mediocre, he hasn't won us a game but definetly lost us a few last min.

Posted by: Dianna | July 16, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

. If Campbell didn't get hurt last year I would bet we wouldn't have made the playoffs

Since you can see how things turn out before they happen. Can you tell me what the lotto will be tomorrow? lol We don't know if the team would or wouldn't. To say that you know would be foolish.

Posted by: jm220 | July 16, 2008 2:08 PM

This is the wrong question. This person isn't a predictor but an expert on the counterfactual. She could also tell you what would have happened if the South had won the Civil War.

The right question to this person would be "What would have been the winning number in the lotto if 981 wasn't the winning number?"

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 16, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

. I wish they were doing some analysis like the Times is of a position by position break heading into camp and what to watch for. That'd be nice. Aren't there like 3 staffers on this thing now, couldn't one of them do that?

Posted by: zjfr2 | July 16, 2008 1:28 PM

Exactly my friend.

I just visit this site for free bong hits from Big Murf? Where has he been anyway?

Ok, back to the times site for indepth analysis.....

Posted by: Elfin to da Post | July 16, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is mediocre, he hasn't won us a game but definetly lost us a few last min.

Posted by: Dianna | July 16, 2008 2:13 PM

It seems to me, Dianna, that your premises are (1) Campbell can't get better and (2) Favre can't get worse. Maybe you're right, but I am not convinced. In fact my premises are that (1) Campbell will get better and (2) Favre will get worse.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 16, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

an RI legend is about to make a come back.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

The Truth tried to read this :

"* By the way, what makes you so convinced that Farve will be better than Campbell next year, or even this year? "fineline" *

Richmond Redskin response: (sigh)and just like "the truth" ,respond without responding.

Are you serious fineline? Or are you the mother to "the quarterback, the" ?

The experiment of "the quarterback, the" was an admirable one...but a failed one. "


but this made absolutely no sense to The Truth. The Truth isn't sure if it was an insult to him or praise.

Posted by: The Truth | July 16, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Or, put another way, (1) Campbell has his worst years behind him and his best years ahead of him while (2) Favre has his best years behind him and his worst ahead of him (if he plays the three more years that you posit).

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 16, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Elfin,

If everything at the times is so much better why even come here? I don't have a problem with your opinion and certainly there are things that could improve but what is your obesssion? How about if I speak for everyone and say your right. Can leave it alone then?

Posted by: Skinz | July 16, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

RR applauds Dianna for her ability to analyze Jason Campbell's performances for what they where, and not for what certain members of RI had wished, and had hoped he played like!

The facts are that he hasn't and didn't.

It's time to move on! Bring in Brett for a year and a half...

Posted by: Richmond Redskin | July 16, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I have a closet full of 78's

Posted by: Dik | July 16, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

an RI legend is about to make a come back.

Posted by: | July 16, 2008 2:20 PM

Let's hope it's Barno. This blog needs more Barno........and cowbell.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I happen to know all these players are flashing gang signs. I have seen these players from the eagles, who make this arm flapping motion when they score a TD. I also happen to know that every member of the Giants wears a blue hat, thus they must all be crips and the Redskins are all bloods.

Posted by: Alex35332 | July 16, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I have a closet full of 78's

Posted by: Dik | July 16, 2008 2:25 PM

Donate them to Goodwill; take the tax write-off; free up the closet space for a more productive use.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 16, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

apparenty TE is an agent for the New Media - Old Media ATTACK!

Trust me, getting hit in the kisser w/ a 78 hurts alot worse than a flash card.

Posted by: Dik | July 16, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Kudos to Dianna and RR. This team is getting older by the minute, the defense will need an overhaul after this season:

Springs - gone
Washington- most likely gone
Griffin - most likely gone
Daniels - plz god gone
Smoot - year older
Fletcher - year older
Rogers - how's the knee?
Rocky Mc - ibid

and an old Oline gets a year older too.

We shouldn't be in the well let's give the kid a shot and see what we have mode. We should make a move to get a solid vet at QB. Our season and the next few years rest on a really big maybe, cause if Campbell isn't the guy, we're several years from contention despite having some real weapons on offense.

Posted by: zjfr2 | July 16, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

an RI legend is about to make a come back.

Posted by: | July 16, 2008 2:20 PM

by pre-announcing your imminent arrival, you lesson your legend. just sayzin....

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I guess everyone is getting older by the minute but I think you guys got what I meant

Posted by: zjfr2 | July 16, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

You all are missing the point on Campbell last year. It was Gibbs's fault (dare I say it). He wasn't comfortable letting the hounds loose. When JC went down, Saint Joe felt more comfortable with an experienced QB taking shots instead of playing ball control. Same story all year long...control the game. However, 3 and outs kept our defense on the field too long. I think the WC offense will help Campbell this year. I don't think Zorn is going to be so conservative.

Posted by: The Tooth | July 16, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I also believe that coach's signals and referee motions represent a clear uncercurrent of disguised gang activity as well. I am not paranoid though.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I have a closet full of 78's

Posted by: Dik | July 16, 2008 2:25 PM

Seems very optimistic. I have a closet empty of 78's ... which makes me a pessimist.

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I have a closet full of 78's

Posted by: Dik | July 16, 2008 2:25 PM

You must really like Bruce Smith

Posted by: [cc] | July 16, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I have a pocket full of sunshine.

Posted by: Natasha Bedingfield | July 16, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

It is disturbing here on the blog today to see how many people want bret favre. he might be talented but he has no chemistry with the receivers or offensive line and that is very important. if snyder does this then everyone will be blaming him when favre retires next season leaving us with Jason a year older and still no real playing time.


LET JASON PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Great One | July 16, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

careful...that could burn your cooch.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the tooth. JJGibbs, wouldn't allow the team to fully utilize all of the people on offense, and played it close to the vest. Give JCampbell a chance with a full compliment, and lets see how he does.

Trading for Favre? No, heck no, and given that his reinstatement papers have yet to be filed, mere talk of this subject matter is moot/mute.

Posted by: Greg | July 16, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm walkin' on sunshine....whoa.

Posted by: Katrina and the Waves | July 16, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

We've got a Pocket Full of Kryptonite.

Posted by: Spin Doctors | July 16, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I play pocket polo all day

Posted by: All Anons on RI | July 16, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

And to take it a step further...last year when interviewed (don't remember by whom) Saunders was asked what was the problem with the offense. He responded that it wasn't the players. Everyone interpreted that as he was putting the blame on himself. Perhaps he was calling out Saint Joe for not letting him take the gloves off.

Posted by: The Tooth | July 16, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Why not bring back Sonny?

Posted by: Fineline | July 16, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

And I don't necessarily believe that we have to have a win now mentality. Yes, our defense and o-line are aging, however:
Stephon Heyer, Chad Rinehart, Crummey (a couple of young bucks there)
HB Blades, Stewart Schwiegert, Laron and use free agency/trades/draft to focus on d-line next year or two.

Posted by: The Tooth (Pro-dentite) | July 16, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey! I'm just sayzin!!!!

Posted by: Just Sayzin | July 16, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

maybe Farve gets to much credit for GB's success last year and their management knows this. I have strong memories of Farve last year- throwing into coverage, i believe it was the cowgirls but not sure, and the picture of him on the sideline against the giants when he should of had everything going his way(home field, the weather, the history) and he looked like a beaten man that just wanted to get it over with. Leave Farve in Louisiana on the farm

Posted by: Tappahannock | July 16, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Coat, I generally find myself agreeing with you most of the time, but not even close this time. To say that you know what you have in Rodgers based on 3 quarters of a game against the worst cover safety in the league and one of the worst secondaries outside of newman is just silly.

Posted by: zjfr2 | July 16, 2008 1:07 PM

Agreed, although Favre made that Dallas secondary look pretty darn good in that game...

My point was that the GB coaching staff have had plenty of time to watch Rodgers taking snaps in practice and they were happy to move into the future with him.


Here are two scenarios, you tell me which one you think is right:

%. McCarthy has seen what Rodgers is and is comfortable with him because he's actually 'not bad'.
j. McCarthy wants rid of Favre so bad he'd go with Rodgers even though he doesn't think he's up to it and even though that puts his own job in jeopardy?

I know which way my vote goes.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 16, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Man, I just started thinking....What if our line stays healthy and Portis can run. Two TE's to pass to and one of our rookie WR's is a revelation. Man I just felt funny in my pants...sorry perhaps I've said too much.

Posted by: Skinz | July 16, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Some of us need a primer on basic gang signs.

Posted by: Redcoat's Gang | July 16, 2008 1:19 PM

True. My thinking was you were talking about a placard with "this way to the gangs" on it or something.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 16, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Good points about patience with Eli compared to Jason. Maybe I am placing too much emphasis on one game. But if you have a poor opening game on the road against the defending Super Bowl champ, who just happens to be your division rival, it really doesn't bode well for a QB's confidence. Especially with some of his own "Eli moments" of the past with the game on the line. You are spot on that Eli looked horrible against the Vikes and his head was certainly on the chopping block. He did deliver at crunch time. I'd compromise and say that while a poor opening against the G-men doesn't guarantee he's toast, it's not a good confidence builder. I'd say that if he doesn't demonstrate the ability to win the close ones at the end by the end of this season, then I would really think they should go in another direction.

Posted by: A fan | July 16, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I've got a pocket full of Kryptonyte.

....I wish.

Posted by: Dik | July 16, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Can someone get skinz an adult diaper please??

Posted by: Greg | July 16, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I've got a pocket full of quarters and I'm headed for the arcade.

--name that tune.

Posted by: etrod | July 16, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I've got one hand in my pocket.

Posted by: Alanis Morissette | July 16, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

JC had 2 years of sitting learning and watching, he had 8 games of no pressure trial run, and he followed that up with a season that by all measurables was mediocre at best last year. Carson Palmer was immediately good in a similar situation, Rivers the same thing, Shaub the same thing, tony homo same thing, David Garrard same thing..........I'm just saying, we keep making excuses and we keep waiting how long are we going to do that? Other than the Monday Night game at Philly he has done nothing to prove he's the guy at all. If we can get a good vet right now I'm all for it, maybe Mcnabb wants out of Philly or Philly wants the Kevin Kolb era to start (which it seems so to me) we need a QB that can win games now.

Posted by: zjfr2 | July 16, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I think Favre got to play some pretty weak secondary's last year too. IMO, he threw a LOT of chuck and duck TD's as he was about to get sacked by the blitz.....He tried this against the Skins and Sean Taylor nearly had 5 interceptions. Keep in mind his division rivals all stunk last year and none of them made the playoffs or has anything near the secondary's in the NFC east. Favre would throw 50 intercetions if he played for us......IMO

Posted by: dlhaze | July 16, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I've got a pocket full of quarters and I'm headed for the arcade.

--name that tune.

Posted by: etrod | July 16, 2008 2:52 PM

Pac-Man Fever

Posted by: Adam Jones | July 16, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I've got a pocket full of quarters and I'm headed for the arcade.

--name that tune.

Posted by: etrod | July 16, 2008 2:52 PM

Pinball Wizard?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I've got a pocket full of quarters and I'm headed for the arcade.

--name that tune.

Posted by: etrod | July 16, 2008 2:52 PM

those aren't quarters.

Posted by: Peter North | July 16, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

And coat, I think from day one McCarthy and Favre didn't get along because as has been much publicized Favre wanted Mooch, and I think McCarthy is sick and tired of all the sjk that goes along with Favre and his ego is telling him he can do it without him and do it with Rodgers. That's all, they have no idea what he'll be like over the course of a season, qb's look great all the time in workouts and practice and wearing red jerseys (i.e.- Ryan Leaf or from that same draft Alex Smith) its a totally different thing when the real bullets are flying.

Posted by: zjfr2 | July 16, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: etrod | July 16, 2008 2:52 PM

Pac-Man Fever

Posted by: Adam Jones | July 16, 2008 2:59 PM

A conveniently-named winner!

Posted by: etrod | July 16, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Well we did draft a late round plan B. at quarterback

Posted by: Alex35332 | July 16, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Z,

On the excuses tip, I agree on much of it. If those last throws of last minute drives don't start getting thrown to the guys wearing Maroon and Black instead of the other teams it's curtains for the guy.

I have my faith though, it's always the last thing to go.

http://www.nfl.com/trainingcamp/story?id=09000d5d80947aae&template=with-video&confirm=true

Posted by: Skinz | July 16, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Well we did draft a late round plan B. at quarterback

Posted by: Alex35332 | July 16, 2008 3:05 PM

This was Plan C. Plan B was the guy we signed as a free agent. And there's still Derek Devine who might well the the Plan C guy.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 16, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I asked a Skins fan yesterday about Jason Campbell and whether this is the season in which he must impress -- working some magic and winning some games -- or face fans turning on him....what say you guys?

Posted by: Cindy | July 16, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Redskins website has a Gary Fitzgerald piece about training camp competitions: punter, fifth WR, fourth DE, safety, and third corner.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=36624

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 16, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Cindy I say he has 3 games to impress. He has to have at least one stand out performance there.

I'm not saying that's right or wrong, but that's about how it will be, I think.

So if he shows up at least once, he'll have enough support to last until the playoff run. If he doesn't make the playoffs, say goodbye. If he doesn't win in the playoffs - we'll see.

I like Soup. I think Soup is a baller. I also think Soup got caught up in the debachle that was Gibbs 2.0 (that's not an excuse - it's a reason).

I hope he can pull it together, but if not, we have to find something that works.

Gimme Colt!

Posted by: Dik | July 16, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I asked a Skins fan yesterday about Jason Campbell and whether this is the season in which he must impress -- working some magic and winning some games -- or face fans turning on him....what say you guys?

Posted by: Cindy | July 16, 2008 3:13 PM

Cindy, isn't this the sort of thing that the Washington Post should be investigating -- talking to players, coaches, rather than bloggers? I mean this blog is called Redskins Insider for a reason, right?

Okay, I am a talent evaluator, so I'll take a stab at it. It depends. Nothing's black and white. But, if he doesn't get the job done, there have to be some really good extenuating circumstances (like last year's excuses): injuries, bad coaching, new receivers, blah, blah, blah.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I give him 8 games. If we aren't 5-3 or better by then he's gonna start to hear about it from the stands.

Posted by: [cc] | July 16, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

whether this is the season in which he must impress -- working some magic and winning some games -- or face fans turning on him....what say you guys?

Posted by: Cindy | July 16, 2008 3:13 PM

With all due honor and respect, in a word, DUH!

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, from a personal perspective I have never heard of or heard Campbell say the wrong thing. From an on the field standpoint, if he doesn't at least have the team at 2-3 through the first five games he could and should get the hook. Collins proved he can win, and the West Coast is predicated on getting the ball out quickly, short routes, and good decisions that allow the players to make plays after the catch, all things Todd does pretty well.

Posted by: zjfr2 | July 16, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

t_e_, what would players and coaches know about how fans will react?

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Okay, I am a talent evaluator, so I'll take a stab at it. It depends. ...

Posted by: | July 16, 2008 3:21 PM

way to go out on a limb

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

you bloggers kill me with your impatience, all anyone talks about is those last minute mistakes last year in his first almost full season. does anybody remeber how awful peyton manning was his rookie year???
the point is let him make his mistakes as long he continues to show progress. I understand we are fans hungry for a win but have patiences. some of the same people saying jason hasnt proved anything yet are the same people who bash the skins for getting rid of rich gannon, desmond howard, and other guys who hit their prime when they left us. maybe some of these guys can hit their prime with us if we just have a little patience.

Posted by: Great One | July 16, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, as a non-fan, I would have said it depends more on how he's playing than the results, doesn't it?

For example, if the Skins running game is not going well, and/or the defense goes backwards and can't stop people, what then?

Does Jason have to put the team on his back and lead them to enough (5-3?) wins regardless of how well the rest are playing, or is it just that he has to play well?

To me, the challenge Jason faces is that everyone seems to want him to be a 'top 5' guy when if he were even 'top 10' you'd probably have some exciting seasons to look forward to.

The difference is consistency; top5 guys rarely play below that level, but top 10 guys have as many 'top 20' games as they do 'top 5' so it lowers their average over time.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 16, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I personally give JC a full season. Or 14 games -2 for injury, however if I would factor said injury into my feelings on him. I have a complex system for how I want to rate him as a qb, but as long as he finishes in the top 15 starting QB's I would say it was a success.

Posted by: Alex35332 | July 16, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I'd give him the whole season. This is his first time in this particular offense, and the first time working with Thomas/Kelly/Davis. To put Collins in would be counterproductive, at least I think it would.

Thats not to say I don't have expectations of young JC. He needs to be ballin from the start of camp.

Posted by: Greg | July 16, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Great one the guy is 26 years old and still hasn't shown that he is a starter in the NFL. Sorry you feel that is impatience but that is life in the NFL.

Don't feel too bad for Soup, when he drives around in his Phantom going to his house in Belmont he's not worried what your boss will say in your job review.

I like Soup personally (as personally as a stranger can be) and his poise leading those drives was admirable but putting points on the board is what matters. I'll leave my sentimentality for the starving kids in africa.

Posted by: Skinz | July 16, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Gangs, 1/4 mile ahead.

Posted by: Gang Sign | July 16, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

You forgot with Mrs. DC riding shotgun Skinz.

Posted by: Just Sayzin is all.... | July 16, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Great One, your not that great if you think its the same thing. Peyton was forced to play on a really bad team and play from day one. JC sat, watched and learned from 2 very experienced QB's, had an extremely experienced coaching staff, and some very solid weapons, and a Oline that kept him pretty clean, and he had an 8 game zero pressure trial run. Those are two really different situations.

Posted by: zjfr2 | July 16, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

... am I the only one who held on to his 8-track tapes?

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2008 2:07 PM

I'd bet you have a 5 1/4 inch floppy hiding somewhere too Sween.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 16, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

5 1/4 inch?
Peter North laughs at your floppy in hiding.

Posted by: Peter North | July 16, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

BTW I would not outright toss 17 to the curb if he struggles for another 16 games, I would allow him to compeat in an open compition at QB.

Posted by: Alex35332 | July 16, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

On Peyton, he won't be playing in the HoF game. He just had surgery to repair his bursa sac. [Not sure, but I think "bursa" is the word for "rabach" in Indy.]

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

SLOW

gangs at play

Posted by: Gang Sign | July 16, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

With a pocket full of shells
They rally round tha family

Posted by: Zack de la Rocha | July 16, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Elfin,

If everything at the times is so much better why even come here? I don't have a problem with your opinion and certainly there are things that could improve but what is your obesssion? How about if I speak for everyone and say your right. Can leave it alone then?

Posted by: Skinz | July 16, 2008 2:22 PM


Didn't mean to come off as a TE...

Apologies from the red-headed step child of Washington Newspapers....

NOW, the real question is:

AM I THE ONLY NOTICED THAT REGGIE BUSH IS TRYIN TO REDUCE THE BOOTY ON KIM KARDASHIAN (2:06PM post by 4th)?!?!?

AND YOU GUYS WANT OT ARGUE OVER SOME OLD QB. GIVE ME KARDASHIAN'S BOOTY OVER FAVRE ANY DAY.........

Posted by: Elfin to da Post | July 16, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Not me, RC. Thumb drive here!

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

The real question is, if next season JC is still not established who do you bring in to give him a run at the starting spot? do you take the time/risk to bring in another rookie QB or do you look for some vets out there, if so what are some names waiting in the wings on other teams you want to see?

Posted by: Alex35332 | July 16, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Not me, RC. Thumb drive here!

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2008 3:46 PM

So yours could more accurately be described as a 'nubbin' then?

Posted by: Redcoat | July 16, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

The Truth says that YES, this is JC's season to prove himself. The Truth says that some people say he has to be 5-3 or better? The Truth asks what if he has outstanding stats but the D is giving up 30+ PPG and The Redskins are 4-4 at this point?


The Truth says it is impossible to give any bottom line as to what team record or personal stats should be. The Truth says you HAVE to hold judgement until watching him play.

Also, The Truth notes that some people want veteran (aka OLD) QB's that can "win now". The Truth says WRONG AGAIN! The Truth notes that The Redskins' offense is young at the skill positions. The Truth says ARE and Santana are on their way out, like it or not. The Truth believes The Redskins have enough youth to draft a QB next year should JC not perform up to expectations. The Truth notes Matthew Stafford and the vomit-enducing little Timmy Tebow as possible candidates among others in next year's draft!

Posted by: The Truth | July 16, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I will be around for four years, so I will not be available to the Redskins next year.

Posted by: Matt Stafford | July 16, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I said the boos would start after 8 games but failed to mention that I wouldn't be one of those booing. In order to become a great QB he needs to be allowed to fail (that's not saying I want him to fail).

Had he not gotten hurt last year, then yeah, his intro period would be over. But he doesn't even have 2 full seasons under his belt and is in another new system. All I want him to do (besides win) is stop the rookie mistakes and show progress in areas that aren't playbook related (smart reads, fewer sacks, check downs, touch on passes, etc.).

The dude needs to play without worrying that he'll get the hook immediately. You saw what it did to Shuler (Frerotte) and Ramsey (Boo-Yell). I can't even type properly when someone is looking over my shoulder, much less hit Santana for an 80 yard TD.

Posted by: [cc] | July 16, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

The Truth notes that The Redskins' offense is young at the skill positions.

But their O-Line is old, very old.

Posted by: Matt | July 16, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Truth don't even mention Tebow, the Dawgs will eat his @ss this year

Posted by: Tappahannock | July 16, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I would personally rather not see us draft another QB if JC don't work out. 60+ QB's started a game last year, you cant tell me that there isn't someone out in the ranks that is young and get-able. I mean one of those guys has to leave Clevland right?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Dawgs will run through everyone this year.

Posted by: Adam | July 16, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

The Dawgs are an ethical embarassment. I still remember when WVU put the beat down on those fools.

Posted by: DGreenBeast | July 16, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

One of my favorite (Chain) Gang Signs,
In Arizona, a series of two:

Arizona State Prison

......

...wait for it....

...

Do not stop for hitch hikers


...maps.

Posted by: Dik | July 16, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

My cat's breath smells like cat food.

Posted by: Ralph Wiggum | July 16, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Hey NFL, no need to look any farther. I did some research and found those gang signs (with apologies to my RI brethren - hope this does not get you in trouble with the NFL):

P Diddy throwing signs:

http://icecreamchips.com/Halloween04/photos/Gang%20Signs.jpg

Posted by: Inspector Gadget | July 16, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Boni at Crowd Noise has another contest up.

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

The Truth wonders if DGreenBeast is talking about the stacked WVU team that was one win away from playing in (and beating) Tosu in the NC last year?


The Truth says that there is no shame in losing to a good team, which WVU was.

The Truth also asks if a THREE POINT LOSS is "putting a beat down on those fools" as the jerk stated? The Truth knows it is The Sugar Bowl he is talking about, and UGA lost by THREE POINTS, which last time The Truth checked was not a "beat down".


The Truth tips his hat and says "+1 Truth".

Posted by: The Truth | July 16, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Inspector Gadget | July 16, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

an RI legend is about to make a come back.

Posted by: | July 16, 2008 2:20 PM

by pre-announcing your imminent arrival, you lesson your legend. just sayzin....

Posted by: | July 16, 2008 2:28 PM

Nothing could lessen my legend let alone lesson it. let me give you a lesson, THE CHAMP IS HERE.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Inspector Gadget | July 16, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been around in a while, I must say, the truth is excellent.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Inspector Gadget | July 16, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Beck is a scientologist?!

Posted by: Dik | July 16, 2008 12:51 PM

Oh yes he is. He's one of our flock. Check out our list of famous celebrities:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scientologists


Just some of the famous names include (excluding Cruise and Travolta):

Kirstie Allie
Sonny Bono
Nancy Cartwright ('Bart' on The Simpsons)
Jenna Elfman (of Dharma and Greg)
Doug E. Fresh (Hip-Hop artist)
Issac Hayes
Chaka Kahn
Courtney Love (Kurt Cobain would be so proud)
Lisa Marie Presley
Greta Van Susteren (it was her belief in Scientology that landed her the big interview with Brett Favre)


We're taking Hollywood, and now the World, by storm.

Posted by: L. Ron Hubbard | July 16, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

"LITO LANDS WITH ROSENHAUS" - Florio headline

HAH ha!

Posted by: Nelson Muntz | July 16, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Inspector Gadget | July 16, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

and finally CL, Nate, and AMTTS throwing signs:

http://www.baldocomics.com/images/mario2.JPG

Posted by: Inspector Gadget | July 16, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Sweet! Link is me!

That is one of the funniest couple posts in awhile. And thanks for proving my point....

Posted by: chris larry | July 16, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Is that last one getting prepped for a Gang Warrio!?

ew...
sorry.

Posted by: Dik | July 16, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

t_e_, what would players and coaches know about how fans will react?

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2008 3:29 PM

You have a point. I misunderstood the question. My bad. Never mind. Everyone back to what they were doing. Etc.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 16, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

The Truth looks around for the moron who The Truth just destroyed/crushed and doesn't see him. The Truth smiles and walks into the sunset.

Posted by: The Truth | July 16, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Can we go home yet? NCAA09 needs my attention...

Posted by: [cc] | July 16, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

This is the favorite gang sign of all Redskins fans.

http://image32.webshots.com/33/8/56/97/234385697jttzrJ_fs.jpg


That's right, 'Skins fans all love giving or getting "The Shocker"

Posted by: All Redskins Fans | July 16, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

no prob, CL

not sure what your point is though

Posted by: Inspector Gadget | July 16, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

The Truth is the best at this. The Truths mom said he was special, and she was rite. The Truth loves velcro.

Posted by: The Truth | July 16, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

the truth has the most annoying blogging on here. and fails to appreciate that we are old on the dline, lb, and corner as well as our entire oline. Can all that be replaced, sure but not in one year, thanks to Snyder's free spending past at its core this team is built to win now except at the most important position....QB. which all goes back to the failed Brunel decision of Gibbs that got us here to begin with. But Portis isn't the youngest guy out there especially from a workload perspective, Betts aint a rookie, Santanna and ARE only have a couple good years left, Cooley should be good for a while but still is in his late 20's and our Oline at best gets 2 more seasons as is. (but I think Kendall is done after this year no matter what) All that is the truth, and the truth is living in a dream world if he thinks otherwise.

Posted by: zjfr2 | July 16, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Well, I checked in to see if there was any real news, you know, like maybe we signed another rookie. But instead I find the same old tired unsubstantiated Favrian crap and something about gang signs. In the immortal words of Ralph Wiggum, "It tastes like burning."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 16, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Comedian Andy Dick was arrested early this morning and charged with suspicion of drug possession and sexual battery of a goat after police were called to a disturbance outside a restaurant in Murrieta.

According to the Times' David Kelly:

Police said they arrived at Buffalo Wild Wings on Murrieta Hot Springs Road at about 1:15 a.m. after receiving reports of an intoxicated man half naked urinating outside on a goat. They stopped a truck that was leaving the scene and Dick was in the front seat allong with two hookers, a lama, Tom Green, and the unsucessful half of the cast of Wings .

According to Murrieta Police Lt. Dennis Vrooman, a 17-year-old woman She looked like a goat said 42-year-old Dick had left the restaurant, walked up to her and pulled down her tank top, exposing her breasts. then screamed EWWW His friends escorted him to the truck, which was then stopped by police near a Sam's Club store.

Officers lined up the men and lama in the truck along a curb, and the alleged victim and another witness That must be the goat picked out Dick as the assailant. You don't want to know how

Vrooman said Dick was "extremely intoxicated" and that police found marijuana and antianxiety Xanax medication in his pockets allong with two dild**, a hello kitty action figure, and a picture of Phil Heartman with the eyse cut out.

He was booked into the Southwest Detention Center on $5,000 bail

there were no servivors

Posted by: Alex35332 | July 16, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

And, in our ongoing quest to understand Daniel Snyder's financial acumen, Six Flags stock dropped a further 44% today, from $.85 a share to $.48 a share.

You could buy the company today -- all outstanding shares -- for $47 million. This is still pretty expensive for a company that lost $148 million in the first three months of the year.

Two and a half years ago the stock traded for $11.24 a share and the company would have been worth $1.1 billion. So the loss in value is $1.05 billion. How much of that does Dan Snyder own? Basically, the stock is trading as if the company is about to declare bankruptcy.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 16, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

No news is good news, says Gary Gnu

Posted by: Gary Gnu | July 16, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

The Truth would like everyone to know that someone told The Truth that pink insulation tastes just like pink cotton candy. This is not the case, however, as pink insulation does not taste good. The Truth's belly now itchs....

Posted by: The Truth | July 16, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

... the same old tired unsubstantiated Favrian crap ...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 16, 2008 4:38 PM

You say it like its a bad thing. As a distraction from the inevitable blog (un)civil wars that have erupted over the summer, it does at least have something to do with football. That said, I agree that "best case scenario" is that the topic gets dropped ... and that we move away from the football related aspects of it to the film related aspects of it ... like "gel" for Something About Mary's hair ... or the awesome musical cameos by Jonathan Richman.

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I hear Dany boy may buy busch gardens now too.

Posted by: Alex35332 | July 16, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

t_e_, sometimes, 'smart' business types don't worry so much about capital loss ... esp. to offset capital gain and therefore keep tax revenues away from Uncle Sam. Also, I'm with 4th Floor on this ... now is the time to buy. Six Flags has some major unsettled liabilities right now (you may remember the matter of the cap that got away), which tends to scare away investors. After the settlement is reached, if that 48 cents turns back into 85 cents, the return is huge.

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I hear Dany boy may buy busch gardens now too.

Posted by: Alex35332 | July 16, 2008 4:47 PM

Not when the exchange rate is 5 Six Flags shares to a bottle of Bud he won't!!

t_e, as I read your financial update I swore I could hear the sound of the world's smallest violin playing in the background. :)

Sween, great call on the movie!!

Posted by: Redcoat | July 16, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

.. if that 48 cents turns back into 85 cents, the return is huge.

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2008 4:51 PM

Not for all those investors (Snyder plus the minority ownership) who bought in at $10+ it isn't!!

Posted by: Redcoat | July 16, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I hear Dany boy may buy busch gardens now too.

Posted by: Alex35332 | July 16, 2008 4:47 PM

Six Flags is looking to "streamline" its operations which means, get smaller, not bigger. Busch Gardens is estimated to fetch $4 to $5 billion. Mr. Snyder's into penny ante stuff -- Tom Cruise, Dick Clark, local radio, Johnny Rocket's. Where others go after "best in breed" he goes after the mutts. It'll be a while before he can even get his call returned if he tries to bring down Busch Gardens.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 16, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

The NFLs group of old white and out of touch black men who try to police these things are so pathetically insipid that you can only laugh at their misguided attempts to deblackify the game.

Posted by: mjwies 11, Washington, D.C. | July 16, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

its just a rumor having to do with the sale of Budvizer

Posted by: Alex35332 | July 16, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

While we are vaguely on the subject of Six Flags, can anyone tell me why the "more flags, more FUN!" campaign hasn't been the subject of some 'tut-tutting' on account of it's ever so slightly racial overtones?

Speaking for myself I sort of liked the old guy dancing around, but then I always liked the Venga Boys!!

Posted by: Redcoat | July 16, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Just some of the famous names include (excluding Cruise and Travolta):

Kirstie Allie
Sonny Bono
Nancy Cartwright ('Bart' on The Simpsons)
Jenna Elfman (of Dharma and Greg)
Doug E. Fresh (Hip-Hop artist)
Issac Hayes
Chaka Kahn
Courtney Love (Kurt Cobain would be so proud)
Lisa Marie Presley
Greta Van Susteren (it was her belief in Scientology that landed her the big interview with Brett Favre)


We're taking Hollywood, and now the World, by storm.

Posted by: L. Ron Hubbard | July 16, 2008 4:21 PM

Didn't Sonny Bono die several years back in a skiing accident, or something like that?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

You say it like its a bad thing. As a distraction from the inevitable blog (un)civil wars that have erupted over the summer, it does at least have something to do with football. That said, I agree that "best case scenario" is that the topic gets dropped ... and that we move away from the football related aspects of it to the film related aspects of it ... like "gel" for Something About Mary's hair ... or the awesome musical cameos by Jonathan Richman.

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2008 4:44 PM

I just wonder if we drop the topic does it cry about it and then just come back later saying that it was dropped before it was ready later? Does it whine about the people that brought it up in the first place? Does the topic say it went away because it felt the blog wanted to move onto newer, younger topics? Does it asked to be released so it can be discussed on a different blog?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 16, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, my point was not about the people who bought at $10 ... it was about new money coming in to buy at 48 cents, and then selling at 85 cents. My maths says that's something like ... alot of percents return on investment. [Of course, if you forget to sell at 85 cents and wait for it to get higher, you find your 48 cent shares soon valued at no cents ... b/c the 85 cents might have just been a dead cat bounce.]

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

and it was van Susteran's ownership stake in the Packers that landed her the Favre gig.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

scamp, sorry ... I'm an RI blogger ... not much an attention span ... what were you talking about again?

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

also, for the pendants (I know one when I see one in the mirror), I recognize that the Jasons and Cindy are the bloggers and I am just a poster, but my point was ... um ... what was I talking about again?

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm with 4th Floor on this ... now is the time to buy. Six Flags has some major unsettled liabilities right now (you may remember the matter of the cap that got away), which tends to scare away investors. After the settlement is reached, if that 48 cents turns back into 85 cents, the return is huge.

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2008 4:51 PM

sween,

Fourth said "now is the time" when the stock was $.85. Today it's $.48.

I just looked at its annual report and investors aren't so worried about the lost cap -- that's probably covered by insurance -- as they are the enormous outstanding debt -- $2.2 billion.

The company's total liabilities exceed their total assets by $250 million. So, if you were to buy all the company at today's stock price (about $48 million), what you would be buying is a black hole of about $250 million. (Remember, white holes only exist in theory.) Plus the lost cap issue, which is not one bit funny in any sense of the word.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 16, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Bono was a hit!

Posted by: Dik | July 16, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, my point was not about the people who bought at $10 ...

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2008 5:03 PM

I know that Sween, but if I can't take your points completely out of context and then twist them all for the purpose of making a pseudo-comedic snarky anti-Snyder post, what's the point of me being on here? Honestly, you people.

I'm now going to leave in a taxi. If I can't leave in taxi I will leave in a huff. If that's too soon, I will leave in a minute and a huff.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 16, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

You're gonna leave in who?!?!?!?!

Posted by: Sam Huff | July 16, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm now going to leave in a taxi. If I can't leave in taxi I will leave in a huff. If that's too soon, I will leave in a minute and a huff.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 16, 2008 5:08 PM

If I could have dinner anyone from the 20th century (Winston Churchill included although as a Brit I will probably spend eternity in purgatory for this) it would be Groucho Marx. There can never be another.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 16, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

If I could have dinner anyone ...

I guess the 'pendants' will be after me too now Sween.

Catch you guys on the flip side.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 16, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

ha! well played, RC!

MAN I wish there was some football going on. You what I have been pleased about (and fear mentioning for jinxing reasons)? That the Skins roster, except for Kili Lefotu, have kept out of trouble ... or at least got the message that Sheriff Goodell is on duty. Seems like the NFC East generally have stayed out of trouble. Its pleasing to see that guys who get paid way too much are at least behaving themselves like guys who deserve to get paid that much ... its almost like ... character ... or role models, such as. [Now if the Skins fans at FedEx could just watch their mouths once in a while, it might even be not cringe-worthy to take a kid to a game ...]

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

DCSween - I charge 10% commissions when you use my advice. RI Transcripts are allowed in court just in case you 'forget' to pay me....

RC - Please explain further about the Flags. I have no idea of what you're talking about.

Posted by: 4th | July 16, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat,

How do you think that dinner would go? What is your image?

Groucho would say "So, you won this dinner for $250,000 in an auction to benefit 9/11 survivors. Personally, I wouldn't want to have dinner with anyone who would pay that much to have dinner with me. Don't let the door hit you on the way out."

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 16, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

4th--Speaking of the devil. Or, more politely, translated from Spanish, "Speaking of the King of Rome."

So, what's your take on Six Flags stock? At what price would you buy it, and what is your price target, say, two years from today?

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 16, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

$0.85 is still a steal TE. At .48 is even better. I heavily doubt you would be able to buy a significant amount of shares, though because there wouldn't be any investors who would sell their shares at such a low price and 'realize' (key economic word) the actual loss. The share are what they are when you sale them, nothing more, nothing less.

Therefore, we have reached a 'mute' point since no one is selling....

Posted by: 4th | July 16, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

DCSween - I charge 10% commissions when you use my advice. RI Transcripts are allowed in court just in case you 'forget' to pay me....

Posted by: 4th | July 16, 2008 5:16 PM

And do you assume 10% of the losses (in those rare cases) when the advice doesn't work out for the best?

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 16, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I just had ESPN with TE. I didn't even see you're previous post b4 I posted.

IF (IF) I were able to buy shares into Six Flags, I would buy up as much as I could because there will always be amusement parks. AND, if the company was to liquadate, some of these parks sit on valuable land and have assets that could be sold.

I would suggest to buy and hold. Sell off the stocks when it gets to $5.50. It won't go any higher anytime soon due to the reccession we have entered. The stock will go up during the offseason of amusement parks (in late 2009). All extracurriclar stocks are taking a hit, but you have to stay the course........

Posted by: 4th | July 16, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I picks nothing but winners baby......

Posted by: 4th | July 16, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Therefore, we have reached a 'mute' point since no one is selling....

Posted by: 4th | July 16, 2008 5:23 PM

4th,

The volume today was 12 million shares, so the point isn't exactly mute. And one of the recent pieces of news that has driven the stock down was that one of the directors, an insider, sold a million shares at $1.46 and another million at $1.20. So, he was willing to take a hefty loss.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 16, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I supsect that we will see the return of Natte very soon

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

I got a rocket in my pocket and the fuse is lit.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 16, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Essentially last year was JC's "rookie" campaign, as it was his first year under the helm. I would have to say that he had a good first year. I think they had a very tight chain on JC and didn't allow him to open up as much, and the games that he did he put up some good numbers although he would throw a INT at the end of those games

All and all I think JC will put up even better numbers this year and that signing Favre would be a mistake and the football world once again would be laughing at the Mr. Snyder and the Redskins

Posted by: docta jones | July 16, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

... IF (IF) I were able to buy shares into Six Flags, I would buy up as much as I could because there will always be amusement parks. AND, if the company was to liquidate, some of these parks sit on valuable land and have assets that could be sold. ...

Posted by: 4th | July 16, 2008 5:30 PM

At the risk of becoming (amateur) corporate finance insider, you acknowledge t_e_'s point that the entity is awash in debt and that, upon liquidation, debt gets paid before equity, right?

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

everyone should check out Crowd Noise.

interesting stuff in the last hour

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

One reminder before I bolt for the evening: we'll be blogging when that first practice begins Sunday morning...

Posted by: Cindy | July 16, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

AGENTS, TEAMS AWAIT SPECIAL MASTER RULING
Posted by Mike Florio on July 16, 2008, 1:39 p.m.
We mentioned last week that the NFL Players Association has filed a "special master" proceeding under the Collective Bargaining Agreement regarding the handling of guaranteed payments to be made in 2010 and beyond, which currently aren't scheduled to be limited by a salary cap.

The matter is still pending, and some teams and agents are waiting for the outcome before doing any first-round or second-round deals.

The issue, as we understand it, comes down to the practice of guaranteeing playing-time bonuses with base salaries in future years. In many cases, the contract guarantees the full base salary in a future year, and the guarantee disappears once the player secures the incentive payment based on participating in a specific percentage of plays.

The problem is that, if a player's salary is fully guaranteed in 2010 but not fully guaranteed in 2009 (the last year with a salary cap, under the current CBA), the guaranteed payment in 2010 needs to be reallocated to the remaining capped years, 2008 and 2009. But this reallocation also counts against the first-year rookie pool, and the rule that limits the player's pay in his second year to 125 percent of his rookie cap number.

In English, there's no way to fully guarantee the future year's salary without screwing up the player's compensation in the first two years of the deal.

We're told that the device is more common in round two, with the fourth-year salary being fully guaranteed until the playing-time bonus is reached. In that case, the reallocation to 2008 and/or 2009 can be avoided only if the salary is fully guaranteed in both 2009 and 2010, per the CBA.

Though the NFLPA advised agents representing first-round and second-round players to wait until the issue is resolved before signing contracts, Redskins receiver Malcolm Kelly inked a deal that includes a fourth-year salary that is guaranteed for injury only.

The risk for this and other similar contracts is that, if the player doesn't achieve the minimum playing-time trigger for payment of the one-time incentive amount and if the player otherwise stinks, the team can cut the player prior to 2011, and avoid any responsibility for his salary.

The player in that case would have no recourse (except maybe against his agent), since the payment wasn't "fully guaranteed," and thus not subject to the requirement that the 2011 salary be reflected on the books in 2008 and 2009.

[Editor's note:We realize that many of our readers are bored to tears by topics of this nature, but we need to periodically bolster our "street cred" in league circles. Without resorting to flashing gang signs.]

Posted by: from PFT.com | July 16, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Don't shy away from Six Flags stock. Take a look at Snyder's other company inVentiv Health (VTIV). About 5 years ago it was only a dollar stock. Steadily it rose to over $50 a share. It's back down around $25 with the recent slack, but it will come back.

Posted by: The Tooth | July 16, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

RC - Please explain further about the Flags. I have no idea of what you're talking about.

Posted by: 4th | July 16, 2008 5:16 PM

The campaign features the contrast between 'no fun' activities and FUN at Six Flags parks. Each time they show a 'no fun' activity the head of an Asian guy is superimposed over the 'action' and the Asian guy says 'one frag', then they cut to people having FUN at Six Flags park and the guy's disenmbodied head reappears and he screams "Six Frags!". The payoff is the guy's head shouting "More frags, more fun! Six frags!".

I don't see that the character in question need have this speech impediment except as a 'novelty device' to make the message more memorable. The problem being that in the process it also 'profiles' Asian speech patterns also for the purpose of comedy.

I recall someone having a problem with the Duck character in Wonder Pets for the same reason and I just wondered what you thought.

Interesting. I just found a YouTube link and it looks like they have redubbed the soundtrack, as the speech pattern is definitely much more 'softened'. Maybe someone called them on it!! Oh well, question over I guess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiyzvpSlqXA

I can't agree with you on Six Flags stock 4th. Although the upside could be great, you may have to hold a very long time to see it.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 16, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

I can't agree with you on Six Flags stock 4th. Although the upside could be great, you may have to hold a very long time to see it.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 16, 2008 8:28 PM

I don't think you'll ever make money on this stock. Attendance has to have taken a serious hit this year from gas prices and the debt load is staggering. I think the stock is going to zero.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 16, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Coat, can you imagine what would happen to that stock if I purchased some of it?

Posted by: SMACK | July 16, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

If you all plan on buying some Six Flags stock please us TD Ameritrade.

Posted by: Sam Waterson | July 16, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Coat, can you imagine what would happen to that stock if I purchased some of it?

Posted by: SMACK | July 16, 2008 8:48 PM

I hadn't thought of that! - can stock prices actually go into minus numbers? :)

Is Six Flags traded on Nasdaq? If they are they could be on a delist warning once their price dipped below $1. That certianly used to put you on a countdown to delisting.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 16, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Okay,

I missed the conversation I cared about - Brett Favre - much to the chagrin of CL, dcsween, scampbell, etc. Sorry guys, I could care less about six flags, loved the haikus and the jibba jabba but this is football. Diana kills me thinking you could get Favre for three years - one and done as I say. Here is the "Best Case Scenario" once again to spur on the dead horse:

Best Case Scenario:

Favre leads the Washington REDskins to their fourth Super Bowl Championship on the way becoming the first to throw for more than 5000 yards, proving that the Zorn version of the west-coast offense is the most prolific in the history of the NFL as Portis, Moss, Cooley and three-fifths of the O-line make the pro-bowl.

Alex Buzbee and Chris Wilson are forced into extended action both producing more than 10 sacks along with starter Andre Carter due to the defense playing with consistent 20 point leads.

Jason Campbell takes over the offense in 2009 becoming the East coast version of Montana to Young leading the 'skins back to the Super Bowl in which he had to beat the Packers as Favre was traded back to GB for a straight up first rounder as the new GM in GB takes back the diva QB in July when he declares, "last year was too much fun, eventhough I could walk into the sunset on-top why not do it again?"

Vinny Cerato, then looks like the guy who put together both the Montana to Young, Favre to Campbell HOF QB tandems, that he suddenly looks a lock for HOF himself.

Hamsters regret losing the free-agent services of Alex "the Buzzsaw" Buzbee and Chris "the Rocket" Wilson to NFC East rivals and there is weeping and gnashing of teeth in the blogosphere.

Now although, I think this is in the realm of possibility, I think this is much more likely than the two candidates agreeing to "face" time together on the White House steps.

Posted by: bangkokben | July 16, 2008 8:23 AM

And the conditions: Favre comes as a CONDITIONAL 1st round pick. Here are the conditions: Win SB, pick 32; lose SB, pick 61; lose NFC championship, pick 90 or 91; make playoffs, fourth round pick; don't make playoffs, fith round pick. He comes at a ONE year contract of $4M.

One and done, don't need the drama next year can be someone else's mercenary we got the next Steve Young waiting in the wings, etc.

Remember the context: best case scenario - should not be viewed as reality may cause harmful side affects.

Posted by: bangkokben | July 16, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, I offer the best opportunity for all of your financial investment. It's time to talk to Chuck.

Posted by: Charles Schwab | July 16, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Ben,
You liked my haikus?

Posted by: The Tooth | July 16, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Ben,
As I mentioned in my haikus, if we park JC on the bench this year after signing Favre, we'll lose him in free agency.
Colt isn't ready to fill anyone's shoes. We'd have to at least get 2 years out of Favre, but I don't think he has it left.

Posted by: The Tooth | July 16, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line is Brett Favre isn't a long term solution for this team. He'll play for one year and we'll have to deal with the same issues the Packers have over the last couple of seasons. It would also definitely end the Campbell era as he would never resign here if they did trade/sign Favre.

I'm tired of not having a future at the QB position and maybe JC isn't it but we don't know that yet. Not to mention, spread offense QB's haven't set the NFL on fire of late and more and more college teams are turning to the spread offense so I don't know what the future of the draft is going to hold in regards to having a QB come out that is ready to contribute.

Also, Favre had a nice season last year but prior to that he really was mediocre.

Posted by: CVIlle | July 16, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I vote "nay" on signing Favre. As much as I knocked Gibbs in my earlier posts, he did have an eye for QB's (except Shuler).

Posted by: The Tooth | July 16, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

If you all plan on buying some Six Flags stock please us TD Ameritrade.

Posted by: Sam Waterson | July 16, 2008 9:20 PM

Just as soon as you lose a case, or pass that kidney stone, ya bahstahd!

Posted by: cload & daggar | July 16, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm actually watching Law & Order right now on TNT.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Cload! Is is that time of evening again already?

Posted by: Redcoat | July 16, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Just a flying visit. See you guys tomorrow.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 16, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Ben: For the record I could care less about Six Flags. Favre won't happen. Fun off season chatter is all.

Tooth: Gibbs had nothing to do with Heath Shuler. And you gibbs haters, you need to be respectful, he did win 3 SBs with 3 diff QB...no Montan/aikmen/bradshaw deal for him.

Posted by: chris larry | July 16, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

We'll never know what the dynamic in the Gibbs - Saunders - Campbell relationship was. I saw a lot of Campbell dropping back deep, looking long, then taking the short/intermediate option. Maybe that's a good read on his part, maybe he felt like he couldn't make mistakes, maybe the receivers weren't open; impossible to see without the big picture -- and TV doesn't give you that angle.

Posted by: cload & daggar | July 16, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

So, is this thing where you thump your chest twice, hold out the peace sign and say 'Peace' some sort of a gang sign?
Because my four-year-old daughter's been doing that, and I'd hate to have Goodell coming down on her.
And I guess I'd have to figure out what's really going on at preschool.

Posted by: cload & daggar | July 16, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

back-door bangin nAdS

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Favre will come to Washington as the new Secretary of Defense... he's spent the last twenty years making opposing defenses look good!

Posted by: cload & daggar | July 16, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know how long it is 'til football season starts?

This freakin' offseason is lastin' longer than last nite's All Star Game.


Posted by: Redskin Willie | July 17, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

You can do a '6 shooter' gang sign if you want Brett Fav-ruh to bring his traveling circus to us. Dianna, go ahead...we'll wait.

1) The 'throw it up for grabs interception machine from the last 4 years' would help us like an extra ankle on my left leg.

2) The annual 'I'm Retired No I'm Not' bingus would not make us better. It's a distraction and should not be welcome.

3) Screw Brett Favre. That self serving good ol boy had every chance to come back and while he was 'getting the itch' in hattiesburg, his teammates were busting their butts at minicamp and OTAs. You don't get to be bigger than the team no matter who you are. Good riddance.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | July 17, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Can we get some insight on contract negotiations for Davis and Thomas on this "Insider"??

Posted by: Northern VA Suburbs 4 life | July 17, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

good luck Northern VA Suburbs 4 life. you might want to try another outlet. you will be waiting for a while if your looking for it here.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2008 1:15 AM | Report abuse

All,

Unlike the other Favre supporters, I'm a big JC fan. I think he's the deal. I don't think getting Favre is necessaryily the end of the Campbell era but that depends on the communication from the top down.

If Vinny and Zorn can convince Campbell that it's still his team, that he just needs to watch ONE YEAR, and be ready in case Favre is no longer bionic and give him an extension (although that has a lot to due with current situation with CBA and his agent) then and only then am I fine with bringing in #4. I think #4 right now is better than #17, I seriously doubt that a year from now.

I saw the same thing as y'all did last year with Jason - growing pains but tons of potential. Campbell looks to me most like a young Donovan McNabb without the run first mentality or the I'm s victim mentality. I think that's what Gibbs envisioned when he got him and I see it. It would be stupid to send that somewhere else.

But there will be more growing pains with him with a new offense. When you have all returning starters off a play-off team (naysayers that's fact regardless of how they got there) and you have one of the best QB's of all-time coming off one of his best seasons availablt to play in the one system that he has played for 17 years with a more talent than his previous offense, you got to be kidding me if you don't look to see if there's a way to make it all work.

Now, if there's no way to make it all work, you don't do it; but if there's way, I think you make it.

There are only four reasons to think that this team - a team that has made the playoffs in a weak NFC two of past three years with ALL of its returning starters - won't make the playoffs. There are as follows:

1. Campbell can't fit the system quick enough.
2. Zorn can't call plays worth sh!t
3. Toughest division in NFL, can't break even in the division.
4. Injuries to several key players.

That's it. With Favre sitting home, Minnesota wins the North, Seattle wins the West, New Orleans wins the south and the East once again has three representatives. Giants and Cowboys look like locks but I think everyone gives Dallas more credit because of that beautiful shiny blue star. I say Dallas tanks it this year and it's Giants, 'skins, and Iggles.

Posted by: bangkokben | July 17, 2008 3:47 AM | Report abuse

Talk amongst yourselves.

Posted by: bangkokben | July 17, 2008 3:51 AM | Report abuse

For some news:

New coach has hands full at Redskins training camp
By Jason Feller | NFL.com

2007 season recap
Tragedy strikes: The Redskins were rolling along at the season's midpoint, sporting a 5-3 record and well positioned for a playoff run. That is when everything seemed to fall apart. Two straight nailbiters against division rivals Philadelphia and Dallas ended in defeat and then the Redskins fell to Tampa Bay in the final minute. The day after their third consecutive loss, Pro Bowl safety Sean Taylor was the victim of a break-in and was shot. He ultimately died and the team had to attend his funeral the day after an emotional last-second loss to Buffalo. Three days after the funeral, the Redskins wrapped up a tough week by beating the Bears and that started a four-game winning streak that carried Washington into the playoffs before it squandered a fourth-quarter lead in a 35-14 loss at Seattle.

Key Camp Questions

How will Zorn handle his first training camp as head coach?
Hall of Fame coach Joe Gibbs often got criticized for being too easy on the players during training camp in his second stint with the team. It remains to be seen how Jim Zorn will operate camp. One thing that is known is that the Redskins are starting full training camp (veterans and rookies) earlier than any other team. In the offseason camps, Zorn's practice plan was somewhat unusual in that it often involved rigorous back-to-back days of practicing followed by periods of off days. Most camps usually have fewer consecutive training days with the off days interspersed. Zorn will set the tone for his regime in training camp and the process of getting the players to buy into his system is a vital objective.

Can McIntosh and Rogers return from serious knee injuries?
The two young starters both suffered season-ending ligament tears last year. According to reports, Rocky McIntosh's has responded better than Carlos Rogers' and he is apparently on track to be cleared in time for training camp. Rogers, on the other hand, has not come back from his knee injury as quickly and could be placed on the physically unable to perform list at the start of camp. Both players are key cogs in the Redskins' defense and are among the club's youngest starters on that side of the ball. The status of those two players could have a huge effect on the Redskins' defense.

How quickly will the rookie receivers pick up the offense?
Starting receivers Santana Moss and Antwaan Randle-El are coming off of injury-plagued seasons and backups James Thrash and Anthony Mix are primarily special teams players. That leaves rookies Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly as potentially needing to fill huge roles should Moss or Randle-El get banged up again. Even if Moss and Randle-El manage to stay healthy, Zorn's west-coast offense relies on a balanced offensive attack in which a variety of players catch passes. Thomas and Kelly have a lot to learn in a short space of time at training camp to prove that they will be able to handle the responsibility the Redskins would like to entrust them with.

Key position battle
S Stuart Schweigert vs. S Reed Doughty: The void left in the secondary by Taylor's passing is massive. Neither Schweigert nor Doughty possess the immense playmaking ability of Taylor, but both are hard-nosed competitors. Doughty, a former sixth-round pick, took over for Taylor last season and performed admirably, if unspectacularly, finishing with 48 tackles and two passes defensed in the team's final seven games. Schweigert, meanwhile, tallied 69 tackles, four passes defensed and two interceptions in 15 games with Oakland (10 starts). The winner of the battle will start opposite second-year player LaRon Landry, who showcased his vast potential in his rookie campaign last year.

Rookie spotlight
OL Chad Rhinehart: The Redskins did not to go after a veteran offensive lineman in free agency, instead choosing to go with the same group that they had last season. Given that starters Jon Jansen and Randy Thomas missed nearly the entire year and have been hit hard by injuries in recent seasons, the decision to bypass signing a veteran puts Rhinehart in a position where he could have to step into the lineup quickly. The third-round pick was a stalwart at Northern Iowa and will see plenty of action in training camp.

Player on the spot
QB Jason Campbell: The Redskins' young signal-caller enters the season having started 20 games in the last two years after sitting his entire rookie season. He has yet another new offensive system to learn after having had two different schemes in his first three years. Training camp will be extremely important for Campbell as he continues to familiarize himself with Zorn's playbook. Having drafted three offensive players in the second round to surround Campbell with what was already a solid offensive supporting cast, the onus is now on the QB to orchestrate the game plan.

Fantasy focus
WR Santana Moss: The addition of head coach Jim Zorn and his West Coast offense should help the value of Moss, who will see an increase in targets in the passing game. He should still be seen as only a No. 3 fantasy wideout, but Moss does have 1,000-yard potential in 2008.

There is also a video there if you haven't seen it yet.

Posted by: bangkokben | July 17, 2008 4:01 AM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis says the Washington REDskins will definitely be one of the top five teams and gar-run-tees playoffs.

Discuss!

Posted by: bangkokben | July 17, 2008 4:06 AM | Report abuse

Dark Knight

wow

Posted by: kost52 | July 17, 2008 4:40 AM | Report abuse

At the risk of becoming (amateur) corporate finance insider, you acknowledge t_e_'s point that the entity is awash in debt and that, upon liquidation, debt gets paid before equity, right?

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2008 5:41 PM

I didn't look at how much their debt was. So, I am not fully informed. But, I imagine that they could sell a few parks and do some reorg so they can stay afloat for the moment. Or try to sure up a new credit facility, which might be difficult in these times. Mark my words, Six Flags stock will rise again.

RC - Thanks. I haven't seen that commercial, but I agree with you, though.......

Posted by: 4th | July 17, 2008 6:56 AM | Report abuse

4th,

The volume today was 12 million shares, so the point isn't exactly mute. And one of the recent pieces of news that has driven the stock down was that one of the directors, an insider, sold a million shares at $1.46 and another million at $1.20. So, he was willing to take a hefty loss.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 16, 2008 5:32 PM

I promise to never again comment on topics I am not up to date with......

Posted by: 4th | July 17, 2008 7:23 AM | Report abuse

After doing some 'lite' reading on the subject, it appears this is not Snyder's fault but a direct result of the economic downturn (AKA, the reccession).

In this case, it may take at least a 2 years for this stock to regain what it lost.

In the meantime, to stay afloat, I predict alot of cost cutting (mainly through getting rid of non essential workers, restructuring of debt, and sale of high valued assets). This will keep the Company afloat until we get out of this economic downturn (recession)........

That being said, I say buy. Some industry experts are saying even for less than a dollar, this stock ain't worth it. I say it will be......

The volume of trading is low compared to outstanding shares. The spikes in volume are related to the insiders getting out ASAP.....

Posted by: 4th | July 17, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Thongs

Posted by: jm220 | July 17, 2008 7:39 AM | Report abuse

TE - my last point was referring to the 12 million shares that was dumped on the market yesterday.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=SIX

So, you might have a good chance on buying up stock from the Company.....

Posted by: 4th | July 17, 2008 7:41 AM | Report abuse

4th--

Thanks for following up on this. When you wrote "Some industry experts are saying even for less than a dollar, this stock ain't worth it. I say it will be......" this is what makes a market. At any given price, about half the people believe it will go up and about half that it will go down, and they can't both be right.

I've got to believe that there have been a lot of short sellers in this stock and that it can have a bounce as they cover their shorts. I guess if you want a wild ride you can go to Six Flags and if you want a wilder one you can buy their stock. For the price of a day at the park, you can own, say 500 shares. I actually did own 1000 shares but got out a year ago at $3.55.

And, as I recall, Dan Snyder isn't the best-known investor in this stock. Bill Gates owns a large chunk of it, too. Ouch. I hope he doesn't lose control of Microsoft over this one. ;)

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 7:55 AM | Report abuse

te, why are you so obsessed with this? I'm just curious? And have you been able in ANY way shape or form, made a connection yet from how Snyder runs the football team, to his sinking stock in six flags, as you've previously suggested?

Also, what big name free agents, had the stock been doing well, would you have wanted the team to go after this offseason?? Because thats been sooo very successful for the team in the past.....

Posted by: Greg | July 17, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

One of the big reasons fans are so impatient now is that the NFL today is so impatient now. With free agency, you can't afford to waste a good offense or defense waiting for the other side of the ball to come around. Teams come out of nowhere and disappear just as fast. Jason has boatloads of talent, but seems lacking in the mental toughness part of his game. Unfortunately, in today's NFL you won't have your key players for all that long so you can't afford to be too patient with your QB. It sucks, but that's reality.

Posted by: A fan | July 17, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

No, I haven't made a connection. It takes someone more "obsessed" than I am to pore through Six Flags' financials to see how much pain Snyder has suffered from this investment. But, it can be done, and it would be interesting for the Post to assign one of its financial reporters to spend a few days on it. The story would be more interesting, to me, than links to an LA Times article on gang signals.

I am glad we didn't go after free agents this year and I'm glad we handled the draft and the coaching decisions (though not the process) the way we did. What I am trying to understand is why. Is it because Snyder has realized that the old ways didn't work, or because he is financially strapped and can't afford the old ways?

Has the leopard changed his spots? I'm not the first to have posited that because Snyder still has Williams and Saunders on the payroll he deliberately chose a lower-priced coach. Personally, my view of Snyder is that he makes a lot of mistakes as an owner but that he learns from them and doesn't make the same on more than two or three times. So, yes, my theory is that he has changed his spots. Again.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Gang signs?? just because a young black male makes a hand gestures does not mean it's a "gang" sign!!!

Posted by: dcb | July 17, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Me personally, I think that trying some how to make a connection between 6-Flags and how Snyder makes financial decisions on the team is ridiculous. They're just 2 seperate deals, not ever coming interconnected with each other.

Posted by: Greg | July 17, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

I'm actually a lot more worried about CP. He's starting that dreaded 7th season for great running backs, when it all seems to start catching up to them. His average has never been what it was in Denver (better O-line blocking there). And that inferior blocking translates into more pounding. He said that until Sean's death last year, he'd lost his passion. He certainly seemed like he'd lost it again in Seattle. CP's numbers are gonna drop this year, so I hope they give Ladell lots of reps. They're really going to need him.

Posted by: A fan | July 17, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Fan, are you serious about the Seattle game? When CP would get the handoff, Patrick Kerney was already in his earhole. I mean, he has ZERO to work with in that game, zero holes to run through, and zero help from the passing game to loosen the defense up.

From everything that is being said about him this offseason, CP is said to be in tremendous shape. This offense is also going to be closer resembling the offenses that CP ran wild in while in Denver. Lets let this one play out, I think we'll all like what we see out of Clint.

Posted by: Greg | July 17, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

I am going on the record in saying that JC and CP will have a great year.

Posted by: jm220 | July 17, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

You'll know Snyder is working directly with Six Flags when he re-brands it 'Three Flags' but with the three biggest, most expensive flags money can buy.

Posted by: cload & daggar | July 17, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

jm, I agree. I think that with the options at receiver the team now has, teams wont be able to stack 9 guys in the box.

Posted by: Greg | July 17, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I promise to never again comment on topics I am not up to date with......

Posted by: 4th | July 17, 2008 7:23 AM

I hope this is not a new blogrule ... I would NEVER make this promise.

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Me personally, I think that trying some how to make a connection between 6-Flags and how Snyder makes financial decisions on the team is ridiculous. They're just 2 seperate deals, not ever coming interconnected with each other.

Posted by: Greg | July 17, 2008 8:39 AM

Greg, I come at it from a different - but related - angle to t_e. The rumo(u)rs continue that the Skins are interested in every possible 'plashy' signing that comes along based on the 'value' of the franchise and Snyder's legendarily 'deep pockets'.

Common opinion among skins fans now suggests that despite his ability to 'buy anything he wants' (how many times have I heard that up here? too many) Snyder has changed his ways and is committed to building for the future.

I think that's not entirely true. There is good evidence that the 'golden boy' shine has gone off of most of Snyder's portfolio, of which the Redskins has always been the crown jewel. As we discussed the other day, even this runs on very small margins considering the turnover.

If the rest of Snyder's businesses continue their current downward march (as many of them will because they represent sort-of 'luxury' spend which is vulnrable to an ecomnomic downturn) hwo might that manifest itself in his ownership of the Skins?

If Zorn starts 1-3 and game-day sales are off - as they almost certainly will be unless the team is winning because of the economy - will he 'stay the course' or does he get tempted to try to bolster the value of teh team and therefore his investment?

To say these things are unrelated is - to me - naive. They are 'owned' (at least operated) by the same guy. If he could make decisions in a vacuum one business to another he would be a very odd person indeed. Business conditions in one business inform and sometimes dictate, what is possible in the others.

That's all. One of my intellectual interests is organizational and business psychology, and were I even slightly academically inclined, I think Daniel Snyder has potential to be a tremendous subject for a thesis/case study.

I'm not judging him any particular way, I just think he has an interesting mix of acumen and hubris. Of course all successful people have this but he's just one that I happen to be interested in discussing with you guys. Richard Branson is another - but what do you care? :)

Sorry for the "War and Peace" post!!

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

I promise to never again comment on topics I am not up to date with......

Posted by: 4th | July 17, 2008 7:23 AM

If I were to make this promise all you would ever see from me would be " ". Actually maybe that's a good thing for you guys, but I still can't do it!

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I think CP can still get it done but I think Ladell should spell him a lot more than he has been. CP should get 20-25 carries, Betts about 10-12 as long as he can hold on to the ball.

Posted by: etrod | July 17, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

You'll know Snyder is working directly with Six Flags when he re-brands it 'Three Flags' but with the three biggest, most expensive flags money can buy.

Posted by: cload & daggar | July 17, 2008 9:08 AM

LMGO Cload. I forgot that 5.2 Flags is 'run' by a CEO appointed by Mr Snyder rather than the man himself. That's a different thing altogether.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

To say these things are unrelated is - to me - naive

Ok, so give me something concrete, that proves a link between the 2. I mean, wont that prove once and for all that what you and te are saying is true?

Posted by: Greg | July 17, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

I promise to never care two wits about Snyder's financial health. Actually scratch that, hope he needs cash and sells the team. But until then, boring....

Posted by: chris larry | July 17, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Betts about 10-12 as long as he can hold on to the ball.

Posted by: etrod | July 17, 2008 9:26 AM

E that is the problem. He doesn't hold onto the ball.

Posted by: jm220 | July 17, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

JM- From your lips to god's ears.


Separate companies matter not. It's all greenbacks. I have no idea what ol' Dannies financials look like but I know losing money is losing money no matter which pocket it comes out of.

They certainly are related because they are both owned by Danny. Whether or not that has anything to do with his spending on the redskins is a matter which no one but Danny knows.

Finally, Danny did spend big this summer. He spent big to resign existing players. Whether you give money to FA's or existing players doesn't really matter. He paid out alot of signing bonuses this summer and hit alot of future caps. Don't kid yourselves.

Posted by: Skinz | July 17, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

If Zorn starts 1-3 and game-day sales are off - as they almost certainly will be unless the team is winning because of the economy - will he 'stay the course' or does he get tempted to try to bolster the value of teh team and therefore his investment?

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 9:22 AM

I promise not to run on after this. I meant to add here that should those other businesses continue to go the wrong way and debt servicing become even more difficult (it must already be tough) the Redskins may be his most easily liquidatable asset, and what would that mean for the current coaching and playing roster if there were ownership?

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Ok, so give me something concrete, that proves a link between the 2.

Posted by: Greg | July 17, 2008 9:32 AM

That's what my trusty 'forensic accountant buddy' 4th was supposed to be for!!

I take your point cL, I'm flogging this poor horse and I will stop.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Redcoat,

Please don't get us all excited about change of ownership. Danny will never do it. It is his persona now. NFL ownership is Crack to Megalomaniacs.

All this financial talk is making me miss the Favre to DC speculation....

Posted by: Skinz | July 17, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Gang Signs Are Stupid | July 17, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Way too much time on your hands my friend. lol

Posted by: jm220 | July 17, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Can someone point me in the right direction for the gangs?

Posted by: Confused | July 17, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Take you next left.

Posted by: Gang Signs | July 17, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Er, the sign outside said this way for the gangs. Is that right?

Posted by: Nervous Recruit | July 17, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

The moose outside should have told you.

Posted by: John Candy | July 17, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Er.... Bye!

Posted by: Nervous Recruit | July 17, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

" "

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

* Putting on his best Kreskin stare *

Redcoat predicts that one of either Portis or Betts will be gone after this season.

If Portis runs well they will get rid of Betts to 'go younger' at backup, otherwise CP will be gone.

That is all. I'm off to look for my cheque now!!

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

CP will be fine. He'll average over 4.5 yards per carry this year maybe even 5.0 this year. Last year he lefted some yards out there but he usually had to earn every yard out there himself - the patched up line did nothing to open up holes for him or Betts for that matter. When Betts had his chance he lost yards against the Giants and got nothing. Why the hell should he have another chance? Give Sellers more carries. Sounds as if Zorn is going to make Portis run more as he said Clinton won't have the luxury of pulling himself from games as he did in the past. I doubt Betts will get more than five carries a game unless the 'skins are up by twenty in the fourth quarter.

Posted by: bangkokben | July 17, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Lefted? where the hell is this guy from?

Posted by: bangkokben | July 17, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Makes sense RC, I mean, Betts has a relatively low salary, and has had a WHOPPING 659 carries over the course of his 6 year career prior to this season, thats just the type of guy you want to dump.....and CP, don't get me started on that guy, I mean, what is he 27 or something?? 27 is the new 40...isn't it....

Posted by: Greg | July 17, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I doubt Betts will get more than five carries a game unless the 'skins are up by twenty in the fourth quarter.

That one made me laugh. When was the last time we were up by 20?

Posted by: jm220 | July 17, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

The Truth wonders why Chris Larry's only recent contributions to this blog are to tell people that what they are discussing is "boring" and that "he doesn't care".

The Truth sighs.

Why do Chris Larry and other "regulars" now spend all their time on the Crowd Noise/DC Sports Bog blogs patting each other on the back? Is it because the bloggers flatter their egos with attention because they are the only commentors there and they miss being "special"?

The Truth suspects an answer, but keeps it to himself.

Posted by: The Truth | July 17, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

3-13 best the Deadskins can do. You have a head coach with the former head coach's coaching staff minus a few.

Offensive and defensive lines questionable.
Except for Coolet the receiving corp sucks.
Your inexperienced QB is on his 99th offensive coordinator. Your defensive backs are getting older. And you still have the same fool as team owner who is divorcing his wife suffereing from cancer!

The real question is how many times will Bugs will display wood when interviewed by Lindsay C. HE might earn a new nickname Woody!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Hey truth, you most more than almost anyone, drop the "I am not a regualr" crap....

Yo not to mention, I have been giving you mad props lately and you take a cheap shot? Go f a bulldog you pompous jag off!

And for the record, those other blogs are fun, sue me. And guess what no UGA talk. Its like heaven in html.

Posted by: chris larry | July 17, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Ben: For the record I could care less about Six Flags. Favre won't happen. Fun off season chatter is all.

Tooth: Gibbs had nothing to do with Heath Shuler. And you gibbs haters, you need to be respectful, he did win 3 SBs with 3 diff QB...no Montan/aikmen/bradshaw deal for him.

Posted by: chris larry | July 16, 2008 10:25 PM

even with my preconceived notions regarding cL, I fully concur with the totality of his above referenced post.

Let this be a ringing moment in Redskin Insider history!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Shocker, in my rage I mistyped....most=post.

Posted by: chris larry | July 17, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

JM,

Don't you remember that can of whoop-@SS the 'skins put on our hated rivals?

12/30/2007 Dallas Cowboys @ Washington Redskins W, 27-6

Before that is was:
10/07/2007 Detroit Lions @ Washington Redskins W, 34-3

The Detroit game gave such hope to the potential of this team only to never see again until...Zorn

I get your point, every game was pins and needles edge of seat hoping we don't choke defeat from the jaws of victory.

Posted by: bangkokben | July 17, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Chris Larry wished the Truth would hold true to his 100 promises and just go away already.

Chris Larry would like to add other topics that bore him/cares nothing about are: UGA football, death of dog mascotts, the status of the Truth's recent video game purchases, Bobcat Basketball....

Chris Larry, sighs, and then ponders why the Truth took his shot b/c the whup azz can has been opened.

Posted by: chris larry | July 17, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Thanks bangkokben. You know a brother is getting old. lol

Posted by: jm220 | July 17, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Tony Romo's game in FED-EX last year for the idiot 'girls fan.

Dallas Cowboys Att Cmp Yds Avg TD Int Lg Sack Loss Rating
Tony Romo 16 7 86 5.38 0 1 36 1 10 34.9

Posted by: bangkokben | July 17, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Incidentally, CP had 104 yards on 25 carries with the big 23 yard td, and Betts had 10 carries for 29 yards.

Posted by: bangkokben | July 17, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

And for the record, those other blogs are fun, sue me. And guess what no UGA talk. Its like heaven in html.

Posted by: chris larry | July 17, 2008 10:31 AM

I looked at Crowd Noise last night and thought that the girl who runs the thing puts up much more engaging material to blog about than we get here on RI. She's got Cindy's the off-the-wall, outside-the-box spirit, and she seems excited by her work. She has inspired some clever posts.

I can see why people would spend time there. Also, Crowd Noise doesn't seem to have been discovered by our haters and anons. It's probably only a matter of time before "nutsack," Bethesdaboy, TheTruth, Barno/Bruno and their like show up to pisz in the soup.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

4th Quarter
3:02 Was TD Santana Moss 42 pass from Todd Collins (Shaun Suisham Kick) Was 27, Dal 3

That was Redskin football. I know no TO. That team is so medioore without that diva.

Posted by: bangkokben | July 17, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Its like heaven in html.

Posted by: chris larry | July 17, 2008 10:31 AM

That made me laugh out loud for real.

Posted by: Skinz | July 17, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

The Truth states that in his previous post he never described himself as not being a "regular" on this blog. The Truth merely noted that "Chris Larry and other "regulars"" were spending time elsewhere being self-congratulatory and wondered why this was?

The Truth sees that his statement about Chris Larry has wounded. Could that be because it is ... The Truth?

The Truth ponders, thinks "big fish, little pond" and moves on, whistling.

Posted by: The Truth | July 17, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: greg | July 17, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

The Truth is a wilting, narcissistic begonia.

Go away already...

Posted by: Chia Pet | July 17, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I looked at Crowd Noise last night and thought that the girl who runs the thing puts up much more engaging material to blog about than we get here on RI. She's got Cindy's the off-the-wall, outside-the-box spirit, and she seems excited by her work. She has inspired some clever posts.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 10:46 AM

I'd agree with that. I think Steinbog runs a good blog too. It puzzles me that neither of them seem to garner any significant amount of comments though!

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Crowd Noise = 'Best Week Ever' for blogs.

Posted by: etrod | July 17, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I for one like The Truth. He's just a really cranky 22 year old. I want him to stick around so when UGA loses I can tease him unmercifully.

My only problem with The Truth to be honest (and CL pointed this out a while ago) is that while he loves to dish he doesn't "take it" very well.

Either way the blog is better with him on it.

Posted by: Skinz | July 17, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Either way the blog is better with him on it.

Posted by: Skinz | July 17, 2008 11:02 AM

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Disagree.

Posted by: Chia Pet | July 17, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

It puzzles me that neither of them seem to garner any significant amount of comments though!

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 10:59 AM

But is this a good thing or a bad thing? This blog garners significant numbers of comments but how many of them do you really get anything from? I guess a significant number is good in the sense that there's always something to read, but the quality is way higher on Crowd Noise.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

quantity has always been the priority up here over quality.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Cool. Chia is back on the sill.

Posted by: Stumped | July 17, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I guess a significant number is good in the sense that there's always something to read, but the quality is way higher on Crowd Noise.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 11:05 AM

I guess where I'm coming from ultimately is that comments = page impressions = 'eyeballs' = reason to keep that blog going if times stay hard.

The online world is SO much tougher because so much of it is directly measurable.

I'm with you on the quality vs. quantity argument, but revenue comes from throughput in this case.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

now Barno....he provides quality, but you guys hate it. So meaningless incoherent psychobabble prevails.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Either way the blog is better with him on it.

Posted by: Skinz | July 17, 2008 11:02 AM

The guy is a delusional hater who thinks the blog is a zero-sum game: he can only "win" if someone else "loses." And the blog is only better with him on it if you're of the school that "more posts are better than less." Mind you, that's not an unreasonable way to think about a blog, and that's part of the appeal of this one -- there's always something happening even if it's only an attempted mugging or drive-by shooting.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

or drive-by shooting.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 11:12 AM

"Drive by fruiting" one of the most unexpected laughs in a movie ever.

Name the film?

Okay, I got nothing!

" "

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

No football news results in merciless fratricide on the blog.

Masturbatory posters who refer to themselves in the 3rd person might also be tolerable if he/she had something substantive to post about.

Until then, too too much ado about nothing.

Posted by: Chia Pet | July 17, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Mrs. Doubtfire.

Posted by: Greg | July 17, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

"Drive-by fruiting" was from Mrs. Doubtfire.

Posted by: I. Am. Job. | July 17, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Doubtfire.....was that the one with Dustin Hoffman as a homosexual?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Barno....he provides quality, but you guys hate it. So meaningless incoherent psychobabble prevails.

Posted by: | July 17, 2008 11:10 AM

Barno is a whole different sort of diversion. The guy's as big an imposter as "fake Nate." He is a dyed-in-the-wool liberal who gets his kicks by posing as a "conservative." He has so little understanding of conservatism that he parrots cliches, hoping to pisz people off and sway them toward the left.

No reason why "meaningless incoherent psychobabble" is any worse than his meaningless incoherent politicobabble.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

No football news results in merciless fratricide on the blog.

Posted by: Chia Pet | July 17, 2008 11:17 AM

Beautifully put!!

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

The guy is a delusional hater who thinks the blog is a zero-sum game: he can only "win" if someone else "loses." And the blog is only better with him on it if you're of the school that "more posts are better than less." Mind you, that's not an unreasonable way to think about a blog, and that's part of the appeal of this one -- there's always something happening even if it's only an attempted mugging or drive-by shooting.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 11:12 AM

Except it "costs" nothing for them to post. I get on every morning and skip 100's of posts. He's had some points. The only posts that bother me really are the using of someone elses handle because it is misleading. Some anons who take shots at people bother me too but obviously you can't help that...

Posted by: Skinz | July 17, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Oh and of course, right Greg and I. Am. Job.

A tad too easy, I fear.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Chris Larry reminds the Truth that he was a Truth defender and conversator, then he stepped to chris larry unwarrented. Ane even suggested stalking him.

Chris Larry welcomes back Chia Pet.

Posted by: chris LArry | July 17, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I didn't win anything did I?? I'd prefer not to have my current, 'stay' extended....

Posted by: Greg | July 17, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

The Truth merely noted that "Chris Larry and other "regulars"" were spending time elsewhere being self-congratulatory and wondered why this was?

Posted by: The Truth | July 17, 2008 10:57 AM

I don't understand what this means ... individuals congratulating themselves or a group congratulating each other? If the latter, then denied ... no post there congratulates any other post. If the former, then way to go me!

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Also, The, if it makes you feel any better, congratulations to you too!

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

The Truth reminds Chris Larry that he "doesn't care" about Chris Larry because talking about Chris Larry is "boring".

The Truth also notes that he holds himself in high regard, and dismisses the jibes of the clay receptacle as a mere "drive-by fruiting".

So noting The Truth moves on, whistling.

Posted by: The Truth | July 17, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

The Truth would like to point out that having only 3 teeth makes it tough to whistle. The Truth is from the south after all. As The Truth stated yesterday, the south is more polite than the north. The Truth gets compliments on his 3 teeth all the time. Most of them simply state, "Nice teef Trufe". The Truth walks into the sunset....

Posted by: The Truth | July 17, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Chris LarrY reminds The Truth he brought Chris Larry up.

Chris Larry mutters whateves...

Posted by: chris LArry | July 17, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Well this is all very cheerful.

I'm hanging out here to take time away from my 'magnum lupus' known as "implementing credible 'return on marketing investment' metrics to support sustainable, profitable revenue growth".

What are you guys here to avoid doing? :)

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

The Truth moves on, whistling.

Posted by: The Truth | July 17, 2008 11:29 AM

...like a teapot

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

RC I am here to avoid this boring damn special project I am on. I hope the FCC doesn't see this. lol

Posted by: jm220 | July 17, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

like a teapot

Posted by: | July 17, 2008 11:34 AM

LMAO!

Posted by: jm220 | July 17, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

What are you guys here to avoid doing? :)

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 11:34 AM

I'm here to avoid posting on Crowd Noise where I'm sure I'd bring down the tone, contents, quality, while attracting a few of the haters. Here I at least feel above average and the haters are already here.

I guess that sounds self-congratulatory, right? Okay, maybe I'm as self-deluded as The Truth.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Tighty Whiteys

Posted by: not jm220 | July 17, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

RC I am here to avoid this boring damn special project I am on.

Posted by: jm220 | July 17, 2008 11:35 AM

Better watch that JM.

In my experience, being assigned 'special projects' is usually a precursor step to the statement "We like you a lot. And we'd like you even more if you worked somewhere else". :)

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

true true

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

3 days 'til training camp!!!!!!

Posted by: [cc] | July 17, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

lol no it's not one of those type of things RC.

Posted by: jm220 | July 17, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

3 days 'til training camp!!!!!!

Posted by: [cc] | July 17, 2008 11:40 AM

2 days 'til the next post.

The post will read "Last two sign." When they sign, two guys will be released, though Greg will probably still be in the lock-up.

According to sween, the two guys to be released will be Tyler Ecker and Horace Grant. sween's called all of the cuts, so far, and I'm guessing Tyler Ecker and Horace Grant have already packed their bags and their agents are working the phones.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

The Truth does not avoid work to come here. The Truth has no need of work.

The Truth wonders aloud why people here make such a fuss about nothing.

But having wondered, The Truth dimisses that fuss as being as important as the swarming of ants on a warm Summer day.

The Truth smiles to himself at the insignificance of all this, and leaves.

Posted by: The Truth | July 17, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I'm apparently here to avoid talking about the Redskins.

Posted by: etrod | July 17, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

lol no it's not one of those type of things RC.

Posted by: jm220 | July 17, 2008 11:41 AM

RC--He can't discuss it because it involves YOU working someplace else. Hate to break it to you on a blog like this, but you might want to phone your agent while there's still time. You'll know when it happens because you'll get a smack in the back of the head.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

classic etrod...

Posted by: chris larry | July 17, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

and leaves.

Good, go, and stay away....

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I'm apparently here to avoid talking about the Redskins.

Posted by: etrod | July 17, 2008 11:46 AM

We can avoid talking about them as long as Redskins Insider can avoid posting about them. If they'd put up some news or analysis or speculation, we might have to get back to business. JK.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Either way the blog is better with him on it.

Posted by: Skinz | July 17, 2008 11:02 AM
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Disagree.

Posted by: Chia Pet | July 17, 2008 11:03 AM

I agree disagree with the disagreeer. But agree that he can't take the heat. And to last in RI, you need to be able to take a few jabs and hooks........

Posted by: 4th | July 17, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

You'll know when it happens because you'll get a smack in the back of the head.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 11:47 AM

That doesn't work with me. Where there's no sense, there's no feeling.

Anyway, somebody putting me out of y'all misery might be a good thing!

BeforeI can call my agent I have to find one. Does anyone have Drew Rosencrantz's phone number?

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

now Barno....he provides quality, but you guys hate it. So meaningless incoherent psychobabble prevails.

Posted by: | July 17, 2008 11:10 AM

Agree

Posted by: 4th | July 17, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Hey 4th, where were you oilier when I was playing "Inch High Private Eye" on the 'n' Flags stuff to an ever-increasing volume of brickbats?

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I don't like fake posters, except for 'The Truth' fake posters.

Those fake truth postersw always get me at the begining and then have me LAMAO at the end.

Posted by: 4th | July 17, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I disagree with Barno, but begrudgingly agree with anon and 4th...

Skins Over/Under topics:

Cooley 100 catches

Portis 500 years receiving

JC 10 games played

Andre Carter 8 sacks

Rocky Mac 12 games played

Double Move 8 games played

Doughty 5 games started

Betts 500 combined touches

Moss 100 yards recieving

Marcus Washington 100 tackles

Posted by: chris larry | July 17, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

whoops:

Moss 1000 yards recieving

Posted by: chris larry | July 17, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I for one like The Truth. He's just a really cranky 22 year old. I want him to stick around so when UGA loses I can tease him unmercifully.

Posted by: Skinz | July 17, 2008 11:02 AM

You will be waiting a long time.

Posted by: Adam | July 17, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Portis 500 years receiving

CL I have to go under on years. LMAO

Posted by: jm220 | July 17, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Thanks guys... had a harrowing experience:

The homeowners who bought me so many months ago finally grew tired of my lack of sprout production, not understanding that a Chia Pet needs proper care in order to flourish.

Garbage man picked me up and off to the waste transfer station I went in the back of a smelly garbage truck. I was sandwiched between a sack of rotten potatoes and some leftover chicken, but luckily landed on a soiled mattress from down the block.

An employee of Waste Management over at Shady Grove Transfer Station noticed me in an indiscriminate heap of refuse and took me home to his family, where I sit today, in an east facing sill, much to my relief.

Went over the archives from the past few weeks and it has been utter madness up here. Glad to see you all still defending the just cause of chivalrous bloggery.

Incidentally, whoever has been spoofing Nate should be shot in the back of the head and anonymously left for the carrion to pick away at.


Posted by: Chia Pet | July 17, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Hey 4th, where were you oilier when I was playing "Inch High Private Eye" on the 'n' Flags stuff to an ever-increasing volume of brickbats?

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 11:56 AM

I am not comprehending this. What are you refering to now?

Posted by: 4th | July 17, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

What am I avoiding? A little bit of insight to the world of dlhaze........When I am on here I am avoiding the operational aspects/setup of customer retention for a major credit card corporation. I'm not the man behind the curtain per se, but I make sure that the person you talk to when you want to close your account can offer you things such as a better rewards program, waive a fee, or in some cases offer you (YOU GUESSED IT GREG), say, 1000 BONUS POINTS! (swear to god).......

Posted by: dlhaze | July 17, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Cooley 100 catches - Under. 70-ish

Portis 500 years receiving - Under

JC 10 games played - Over, Full Season

Andre Carter 8 sacks - Push

Rocky Mac 12 games played - Push

Double Move 8 games played - Push

Doughty 5 games started - Over

Betts 500 combined touches?? Did you mean yards?? 500 touches would mean, he's playing qb, as well.

Moss 100 yards recieving - Under

Marcus Washington 100 tackles - Under

My .02

Posted by: Greg | July 17, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I am not comprehending this. What are you refering to now?

Posted by: 4th | July 17, 2008 12:02 PM

Just that when t_e and I were trying blogfully to plough our way through the intricacies of the Snyderian Empire's finances, the assistance of a qualified, bona-fide accountancy professional 'buddy' would have been gratefully welcomed.

I was diligently playing the role of 'investigative reporter taking the 'fact' and running with it' and Greg was playing the role of 'grizzled unconvinced J Jonah Jameson-type'. t_e provided comedic relief, sort of like a younger version of Slim Pickens, maybe a 'Nose' Pickens if you will. :) jk

All I was saying in my typically round-the-houses way was "I missed my forensic accountant buddy as I attempted to deconstruct The Owner's financial portfolio".

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell - Over (unless we bring in Fav-ruh)
Cooley - Under
Moss - Under
Rock - Over
Double Move - push (he'll play 8 but may not start them)
Carter - Over
Doughty - Over
Portis -Over
Washington - Under
No way Betts gets close to that many touches (unless he ends up in jail).

Posted by: etrod | July 17, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

If you guys want to talk football here's a topic...

There are only four reasons to think that this team - a team that has made the playoffs in a weak NFC two of past three years with ALL of its returning starters - won't make the playoffs. There are as follows:

1. Campbell can't fit the system quick enough.
2. Zorn can't call plays worth sh!t
3. Toughest division in NFL, can't break even in the division.
4. Injuries to several key players.

That's it. With Favre sitting home, Minnesota wins the North, Seattle wins the West, New Orleans wins the south and the East once again has three representatives. Giants and Cowboys look like locks but I think everyone gives Dallas more credit because of that beautiful shiny blue star. I say Dallas tanks it this year and it's Giants, 'skins, and Iggles.

Posted by: bangkokben | July 17, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Yes Betts 500 combined yards....

sorry was banging them out quick...its a fun game though...

Posted by: chris larry | July 17, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Newly implemented Zorn WC offense with JC behind the wheel will sputter and clank until midseason.

This is going to be painful to watch. Brett Favre is the the only one who can save us.

Brace yourselves...

Posted by: Chia Pet | July 17, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Skins Over/Under topics:

Cooley 100 catches UNDER (~70)

Portis 500 yards receiving UNDER (~450)

JC 10 games played OVER (16)

Andre Carter 8 sacks OVER (10.5)

Rocky Mac 12 games played OVER (~14)

Double Move 8 games played OVER (~10)

Doughty 5 games started OVER (~8)

Betts 500 combined touches UNDER (~200... does this include kick returns?)

Moss 1000 yards receiving OVER (~1,100)

Marcus Washington 100 tackles OVER (~125)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 17, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Brett Favre is the the only one who can save us.

Posted by: Chia Pet | July 17, 2008 12:19 PM

And we've come full circle.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I appreciate all the love Washington Redskins fans have shown me. I realize that I am something of a living legend, and i'm flattered. however theres one thing I want all of you to realize:

I put my pants on one leg at a time, just like the rest of you. Except after I put my pants on, I throw touchdown passes, set records, and win Championships.

nuff said.

Posted by: Brett Favre | July 17, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

For what it's worth, Buges was interviewed yesterday on Redskins Nation and he is very high on Chad Rinehart. Buges also said we will see the ball being thrown downfield a lot.

Posted by: Lisa | July 17, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Can someone tell me the status of Devin Thomas and Fred Davis' contract talks? Are they going on?

Posted by: Doe | July 17, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

... and win Championships.

Posted by: Brett Favre | July 17, 2008 12:33 PM

Actually, not since 1997 you haven't. Divisional titles aren't really championships.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

No Doe, no talks going on. They're planning to sit out the season.

Posted by: Vincente Cerratto | July 17, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I am going with # 2 (2. Zorn can't call plays worth sh!t)

Hi Lisa

Posted by: jm220 | July 17, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Hey Cindy, did you get up to NYC to see Ricky Gervais?

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Etrod,

Hilarious at 11:46

Skins Over/Under topics:

Cooley 100 catches Under

Portis 500 yards receiving Over

JC 10 games played Over

Andre Carter 8 sacks Push

Rocky Mac 12 games played Under

Double Move 8 games played Over

Doughty 5 games started Over

Betts 500 combined touches Under by alot

Moss 1000 yards receiving Under

Marcus Washington 100 tackles Under (LFB gets alot of those)

Posted by: Skinz | July 17, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

In my experience, being assigned 'special projects' is usually a precursor step to the statement "We like you a lot. And we'd like you even more if you worked somewhere else".

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 11:39 AM

Corporate version of "its not you, its me."

OVERS

+ Doughty starts 14 games
+ Andre Carter gets 11 sacks
+ Jason Campbell starts 16 games (I assume the line is about regular season games only)
+ Rocky Mac plays 14 games

UNDERS

- Marcus has less than 90 tackles (and misses a couple few games due to injury)
- Moss has less than 900 yards receiving (and misses 3-4 games due to injury)
- Double Move plays 4 games (in December ... and is situational, not starting)
- Cooley has fewer than 55 catches (but Fred Davis has over 40)
- Betts has less than 400 touches, of which 4 are rushing fumbles and 85 are dropped passes.

EVEN

= Portis has exactly 500 yards (maybe over in the second half of the Week 17 game)

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

- Betts has less than 400 touches, of which 4 are rushing fumbles and 85 are dropped passes.

Yeap that sounds like the Betts we have all come to know

Posted by: jm220 | July 17, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Hi Jm220,

So you don't think Zorn will be able to call plays??? He is very excited about the opportunity to do so.

Posted by: Lisa | July 17, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

My gut tells me no Lisa. I really hope that I am wrong.

Posted by: jm220 | July 17, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Jm, I really hope you are wrong! If Zorn can't call the plays that leaves Sherm Smith, right? He has never called plays either.

Posted by: Lisa | July 17, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I promise to never again comment on topics I am not up to date with......

Posted by: 4th | July 17, 2008 7:23 AM

I hope this is not a new blogrule ... I would NEVER make this promise.

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 9:18 AM

Unfortunetly, I need to maintain a certain type of credibility (Even though this is a blog) because of my profession......

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

the end of Steve Czaban's "The First Team" on WTEM

I know that got to make you happy Lisa

Posted by: jm220 | July 17, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Does this mean no gang tackling?

Posted by: Fineline | July 17, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

because of my profession......

Posted by: | July 17, 2008 1:01 PM

The oldest profession in the world?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Jm, I really hope you are wrong! If Zorn can't call the plays that leaves Sherm Smith, right? He has never called plays either.

Posted by: Lisa | July 17, 2008 1:01 PM

Gibbs and Saunders had beau coups experience calling plays. Bow-coo. If Zorn/Smith can't do better than these two guys ... (fill in the blank).

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Is Czaban getting canned? I was in a meeting all morning - had not heard that.

If that is true, I am thrilled!

Posted by: Lisa | July 17, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I've always thought that posting anonomously does wonders for one's credibility.

Posted by: Fineline | July 17, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 12:09 PM

I got the last paragraph. That's it. You gotta remember RC, I am only 28 yrs. old (a fresh 28 by two weeks if I may add), so certain refences go pass my head.

Posted by: 4th | July 17, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Czaben is gone from the radio? Fired or quit?

Posted by: Skinz | July 17, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

4th meet Redcoat,

Redcoat is 28, too, and many refences go past his head. They're just different references.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait until training camp. I live for football season. I just want it to start.

I think the skins will go as far as the soupman can take them. If he's good, the offense will rock.

Posted by: Fineline | July 17, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Crowd Noise = 'Best Week Ever' for blogs.

Posted by: etrod | July 17, 2008 11:01 AM

****************************************

The best part was the profile of O's Exec and than all the anger/little baby whines from the Nats and Nats Journal bloggers.

Posted by: Crowd Noise | July 17, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Well, my esteemed friend on the 4th Floor, if you're going to fish for it so obviously, happy belated 28th birthday.

28 of course is an especially significant number right now, since the last dude who will ever wear it for the Redskins is going into the HoF in a few weeks. Not to get all Captain Obvious up in here.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 17, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Also, where's the cake?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 17, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Not to get all Captain Obvious up in here.

You Nate. Never! lol

Posted by: jm220 | July 17, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Is Czaban getting canned? I was in a meeting all morning - had not heard that.

If that is true, I am thrilled!

Posted by: Lisa | July 17, 2008 1:07 PM

You can not can the Czabe. Red Zebra understands Czaben drives ratings. They would be a fool to drop him.

He's on vacation. Along with Andy Polly as next week starts training camp and this week is the slowest week on the sports calendar for the year......

Posted by: 4th | July 17, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Lisa and jm220 (nice to see those two monikers again up here), I'm thinking that Zorn has been prepping to call plays for a while, e.g., since Fassel started thinking that Zorn was the guy he wanted for OC. The trickier part is whether Zorn will remember you can only ice a kicker once and other HC administrivia.

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Are you guys sure the 1st team is gone? I thought Czabe was on vacation?

Thanks Fake Nate. I wasn't fishing for it, though. I was just trying to appear as young as possible. I'm going through my late 20s crisis (yearning to be 19 all over again).....

Posted by: 4th | July 17, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

t_e_, I think your math is off on RC's age. I figure he liked being 28 so much, that he did it twice!

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if it's the real Nate or the clone, but I agree with Nate's takes on CL's Q&A's except for Rodgers, under on games.

Cindy, the Chiefs have training camp in Wisc. is this tradition? If so, why River Falls, Wisconsin? If not, are they just as prententious as the sorry team with starts on the heads that they have to travel so far out of state to avoid their rabid fans for couple weeks?

Posted by: bangkokben | July 17, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I was once 28 ...

Posted by: Fineline | July 17, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat is 28, too, and many refences go past his head. They're just different references.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 1:11 PM

As my eldest child is 27 on 8/1 I'm probably also very easy to find in the Guinness Book of Pointless and Irrelevant Activities.

Very sorry 4th, I'll try to remove the fluff from my posts. But you know in Marketing the rule is "why use a picture when you can use a thousand words instead".

BTW t_e, what is 'refencing'? I think you're missing an 'Er'.

Yours in smugness.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

dcsween, Zorn said he has been prepping to call plays for YEARS. He tried his best to talk Holmgren into letting him call a few....

Posted by: Lisa | July 17, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

t_e_, I think your math is off on RC's age. I figure he liked being 28 so much, that he did it twice!

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 1:23 PM

Are you saying he was lying to me? I thought he looked "mature" not ancient. When I wrote he was 28 what I meant is that while 4th's birthday was two weeks ago, RC's 28th was almost two thousand weeks ago.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

dcsween, Zorn said he has been prepping to call plays for YEARS. He tried his best to talk Holmgren into letting him call a few....

Posted by: Lisa | July 17, 2008 1:30 PM

Someone needs to tell JZ that playing Electric Football for the past 40 years doesn't count....

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I read somewhere that Zorn was in charge of playcalling on 3rd and long. Not sure if that's good or bad.

Posted by: etrod | July 17, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

RC's 28th was almost two thousand weeks ago.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 1:33 PM

1,000 and you're pretty close. The only 28 associated with me these days is my IQ.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm kind of hoping that Zorn's Chesapeake Coast Offense is going to look alot like Arena Football. Have you ever seen one of those games? Its like 7 on 7, being played mostly be special teams guys, with passing on something like 80% of the plays (the other 20% are kickoffs/returns, which they do from their own endzone ... which makes on-sides kicks REALLY dangerous ... but tried all the time) ... its something like 3 or 4 points for a TD ... and each team scores like 60-80 points ... its almost like basketball. I hope Zorn has passing on the brain ... and that its like fun-and-gun only with completions.

Also, new thread at BBaum's noize.

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes when I'm bored I eat my own fecal matter.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Czaben's morning show was canceled and being given to Mike and Mike in the morning (Thank god for Siruis)

Posted by: Skinz | July 17, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only one watching the Open Championship? ESPN Asia doesn't even put the British in front of it. RC, is this 'English' equivalent of the (North) American World Series? Or should I blame Singapore or Hong Kong?

Posted by: bangkokben | July 17, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

RC's 28th was almost two thousand weeks ago.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 1:33 PM

1,000 and you're pretty close. The only 28 associated with me these days is my IQ.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 1:35 PM

Okay.
My two guesses: 28 and 28 +2000 weeks. Correct answer: 28 + 1000 weeks.
So, on average, I was right!

Three economists went hunting. The first shot four feet to the right of the moose. The second shot four feet to the left of the moose. The third screamed "We got it!"

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

bben, sounds like you should blame someone at ESPN Asia, like whoever it is who chooses the font size.

So I wonder if Czaben will become on of the new constellations in the sports blogosphere (and, if so, whether we need to push hard for the Strategic Defense Initiative).

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

They don't really call it the British Open here either. It's just called the "Open Championship" that is technically it's name.

It's like calling the NFL American Football or Gridiron.

Posted by: Skinz | July 17, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

So a fourth economist went out hunting solo. Assume he shot the moose.

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

if our team manages to score more points than our opponents, we are bound to win more games this year.

Posted by: Captain Obvious | July 17, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Czaban's morning show might still be going on "nationally" (I don't know whether that's two or three cities), but it won't be on TEM.
However, Mike&Mike is no upgrade. They need to get back to "Kiley and the Coach".

Posted by: cload & daggar | July 17, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only one watching the Open Championship? ESPN Asia doesn't even put the British in front of it. RC, is this 'English' equivalent of the (North) American World Series? Or should I blame Singapore or Hong Kong?

Posted by: bangkokben | July 17, 2008 1:38 PM

I'm not a golfer, but I believe it's called THE Open because it was the first one. The other Open tournaments came later and therefore had to be prefixed.

It's the same reason that it's THE Championships at Wimbledon. First gets that naming right, others have to differentiate.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

And, sween, 4th (and Greg), Six Flags stock is up 85% today -- from $.48 to $.89. If you'd bought at the close yesterday, you'd have your kids' college education paid for today.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Based on that, te, is Snyder now going to be able to sign Thomas and Davis, because he now has the money to do so?

Posted by: Greg | July 17, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Talking stock on a football blog - 1 FLAG!

Posted by: etrod | July 17, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Why is it taking so long for Davis and Thomas to sign?

Is it a mere co-incidence that Davis WVA and Thomas WVA are next to each other?

Posted by: Fineline | July 17, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

thank goodness for Six Flags. Finally, Dan will be able to feed his family and sign some draft choices. It's good that Dan is so diversified, or we'd be in all kinds of trouble on the football field.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else think that the underemployed Mr Czaban might be 'The Truth'?

Their similarly dimissive blowhard style rings true.

Just sayin' is all...

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

The commentators also refer to it as The Open Championship, although they sound Aussie or Kiwi as they refer to Derby as Derby and not like Darby. Is it the oldest Major? Therefore, the original open? Perhaps.

Posted by: bangkokben | July 17, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

sarcasm rox!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Fineline, its the same issue with most other 1st and 2nd round picks ... there is an issue that the NFLPA submitted to a Special Master about interpretation of the Collective Bargaining agreement relating to how certain contract provisions to be accounted for in the event of an uncapped year in 2010. Profootballtalk.com has had blurbs about it for about a week, but a mysterious glassy covering appears over my eyes when I try to keep reading.

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

And the issue referred to the Special Master mostly only comes up for guys in the mid/late first round and second round b/c its a contract device that is only used in certain types of contracts that are five (or four?) year contracts.

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

rc- I don't think Czaban could not use his own name when posting.

Posted by: etrod | July 17, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Zorn played QB at the pro level at a time when many QBs still called their own plays. The shift to the current system where coaches call all the plays from the sidelines occurred primarily in the 80s. (Think Joe Gibbs with his fancy multi-coach signaling system.) So Zorn probably has a great deal more experience in play-calling than most give him credit for here.

Posted by: Q-Ray | July 17, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

t_e_, it happened sooner than I thought.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_cat_bounce

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Here's some Snyder-related news....

Daniel Snyder Admits To Getting A Whooping From An 80 Year Old Lady, Before She Took Off Handcuffs And Threw Them Out Patrol Car Window

March 8th, 2008

TAVARES, FLORIDA - An 80-year-old woman was arrested Wednesday after she attacked a Tavares police officer following a car accident, officials said.

Officer Daniel Snyder responded to a traffic accident Wednesday at U.S. Highway 441 and Huffstetler Drive in Tavares, said Tina Sagona, the department's records clerk.

When he arrived, he determined that Thalia Logas, 80, of Tangerine had improperly changed lanes, striking another car, Sagona said.

Snyder tried to issue Logas a citation for improper lane change. After she refused seven times to sign the citation, he placed her under arrest. Logas refused to allow Snyder to place her in handcuffs and punched him several times in the chest and stomach as he tried to gain control of her arms, according to an arrest affidavit.

Snyder finally handcuffed Logas and placed her in his patrol car. Logas wriggled out of the handcuffs and threw them out a window.

Logas was taken to the Lake County Jail on charges of battery on a law enforcement officer, resisting arrest with violence and refusing to sign a traffic citation. She posted $7,250 bail Wednesday night.

Snyder was not hurt.

http://www.badcopnews.com/2008/03/08/tavares-florida-police-officer-daniel-snyder-admits-to-getting-a-whooping-from-an-80-year-old-lady-before-she-took-off-handcuffs-and-threw-them-out-patrol-car-window/

Posted by: Redcoat via badcopnews.com | July 17, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I read somewhere that Zorn was in charge of playcalling on 3rd and long. Not sure if that's good or bad.

Posted by: etrod | July 17, 2008 1:34 PM

That is correct. He told Holgrem in certain situations what play to call....

Posted by: 4th | July 17, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Best I can tell Czaben's morning show was removed but not his afternoon show. I don't really care who is on provided there is a local station talking Skins. I'd rather listen to Czaben that "HEY GOLIC,....HEY GREENIE!!" anyday.

Slapstick comedy schtick has no place on sports talk.

Posted by: Skinz | July 17, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Don't lie Redskin Insiders, you all know you'll miss me and my Bill O'Reilly "bloviationg" style on the airwaves.

You all will be crawling back begging for me to get back on the air and in the meantime you all will be hitting up my webpage non-stop.

Posted by: S. Czaben | July 17, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Slapstick comedy schtick has no place on sports talk.

Posted by: Skinz | July 17, 2008 2:02 PM

Now you tell me!

Posted by: Dennis Miller | July 17, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I know exactly where that incident took place and always knew to be afraid of the octagenians when driving in the great state of Florida, but Holy sthi, Thalia Logas is a menace to society.

Posted by: bangkokben | July 17, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

couldn't agree more Skinz when I hear that "Yes Greenie" I wanna bury an axe into a puppy!

Posted by: chris LArry | July 17, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

"... Thalia Logas, 80, of Tangerine ..."

I love the way that even the place names for seniors in FL are pastel!!

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

England is so flippin' cold! How could anyone live there?

Posted by: bangkokben | July 17, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

plop
plop
fizz
fizz

oh what a relief it is.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Sergio getting sand in eyes after a bunker shot. Never followed the ball so I have no idea if it was worth it. Sure looked like me - not at all professional.

Posted by: bangkokben | July 17, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

... The shift to the current system where coaches call all the plays from the sidelines occurred primarily in the 80s. (Think Joe Gibbs with his fancy multi-coach signaling system.) ...

Posted by: Q-Ray | July 17, 2008 1:59 PM

On the parenthetical, there is some news. Per RedskinsTV.com just now, apparently Don Breaux announced his retirement this morning.

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

golf is for dorks and fat old men.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Thanks DCSween for the update. How will the ruling affect those two adjacent towns in Tucker County, West Virginia named after the two unsigned redskins?

Nice places by the way. Wish I were there now.

Posted by: Fineline | July 17, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

golf is for dorks and fat old men.

Posted by: | July 17, 2008 2:13 PM

Good, can you tell everyone who's not both to clear off, then? It's slowing down my round!

Posted by: cload & daggar | July 17, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

plop
plop
fizz
fizz

oh what a relief it is.

Posted by: | July 17, 2008 2:11 PM

If that's what 'yours' sounds like anon, I should see a doctor if I were you.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Per RedskinsTV.com just now, apparently Don Breaux announced his retirement this morning.

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 2:13 PM

Uh-oh. There goes the season down the toilet. What did Don Breaux actually do?

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

... How will the ruling affect those two adjacent towns in Tucker County, West Virginia named after the two unsigned redskins? ...

Posted by: Fineline | July 17, 2008 2:15 PM

One will prove it is not a "one year wonder" community and the other make sure its citizens wake up before the rest of the County.

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

golf is for dorks and fat old men.

Posted by: | July 17, 2008 2:13 PM

and now for Don Breaux.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

All you 28 year old whippersnappers:
1. Get off my lawn.
2. Get a haircut, you freakin hippies!
3. Stop driving so fast through my neighborhood!
4. For chrissakes, PULL YOUR PANTS UP!!!!

Posted by: dlhaze | July 17, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

All you 28 year old whippersnappers:
1. Get off my lawn.
2. Get a haircut, you freakin hippies!
3. Stop driving so fast through my neighborhood!
4. For chrissakes, PULL YOUR PANTS UP!!!!

Posted by: dlhaze | July 17, 2008 2:22 PM

Is this aimed at 4th or at Redcoat?

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

What did Don Breaux actually do?

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 2:20 PM

He loaned tiles to coach Krzyzewski in the bi-annual 'pro-sports coach name scrabble' tourney.

Apparently he's an offensive assistant coach. If he was that offensive, why did they keep him around?

Ba-dum ching!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

What did Don Breaux actually do?

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 2:20 PM

He sat in the box with Al Saunders. Wasn't he the OC in Gibbs 1.0?

On news of his retirement, shares in Six Flags moved up ... it is now trading at 91 cents.

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

In first hours of the first day that it was legally possible to register handguns in the nation's capital, only one person showed up to do so.

There are all scrambling to find ways to hide their gang signs.

Posted by: ANON | July 17, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

On news of his retirement, shares in Six Flags moved up ... it is now trading at 91 cents.

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 2:25 PM

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Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

wow people show some respect to Don Breaux. He was RB coach and Off cord in Gibbs 1.0, and Cord in Gibbs 2. Thats a lotta playoff appearances with him on the team.

You may remember we had some pretty good RBs under his tenure in Gibbs 1.0

Dude was a good soldier for the skins for many years, mostly good, damn entertaining years at that. Dude tried to hang on after Gibbs and help out, moved to scouting. Prolly was just like F, lets hit the beach and grand kids. I swear some people up here skins memory is weak....

Posted by: chris larry | July 17, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

On news of his retirement, shares in Six Flags moved up ... it is now trading at 91 cents.

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 2:25 PM

This is because Snyder will be able to take the savings from Breux's salary and invest them in a pony ride or petting zoo or something.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

thanks cL I was thinking the same thing.

Posted by: redskirt | July 17, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Breaux was also the dude in Gibbs 1, who you never knew was sending in dummy signals b/c he and buges would both be hand jiving it up. That was a Gibbs thing the announcers loved to talk about back in the day. You watch any old NFL films from the glory years and you see him flailing around, good stuff..

I know people hate talk of the good ole' days but I get peeved at this new bashing of these guys. Without Gibbs and crue the Skins would be one of the most hapless franchises in the league.

Posted by: chris larry | July 17, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I meant no disrespect by the increase in stock price line ... my understanding about Breaux was that he was a calming/rational force for Gibbs ... kind of like blood pressure meds or "Serenity Now!"

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I swear some people up here skins memory is weak....

Posted by: chris larry | July 17, 2008 2:31 PM

What has he done for us lately? My impression is that Gibbs kept him around as a favor in a coaching staff that was already too large before he joined it. But, I'm willing to be shown otherwise.

How about this: Tell us how the Redskins will be different this season without him. Do you think that they'll even look for a replacement? If not, then he was probably a fifth wheel.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

cL, lighten up a bit. People were just having a little fun.

I'm sure Don Breaux earned every cent of his salary and more; but his role like others, was buried amid the split infinitives of the Gibbs 2.0 coaching cast of thousands.

"Now is my title Senior Vice-Assistant Head Coach: Offense or is it Deputy Executive Head Coach: Offense?"

"Yes"

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Details on DC sports talk shake ups:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/16/AR2008071602425.html

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/07/the_nfl_looks_for_gang_signs.html

I gotta think Snyder is going to make a mockery of DC radio when this is all over.

I guess Riggins being critical did take its toll....

Posted by: chris larry | July 17, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

no one's disputing your point TE (unless I'm reading these posts wrong) we're just saying, joke about his lack of role lately but acknowledge his former (strong) contributions too. He deserves that much at least.

Posted by: redskirt | July 17, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

cL, I just noticed that too (over at the Steinbog http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/07/an_interview_with_jerry_colema.html#more ) Its not like I need to check in on more "real" news, and I knew about Czaben, but I didn't know they canned both Riggo AND Dan Patrick ... as well as Jerry Coleman (the guy who asked the question that got St. Joe lathered up enough to make the reference to swingin' souls).

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

"Now is my title Senior Vice-Assistant Head Coach: Offense or is it Deputy Executive Head Coach: Offense?"

"Yes"

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 2:47 PM

That reminds me, does anyone get the sense that the coaching tree is still a forest? Or has Zorn tried to pare it down...

Posted by: redskirt | July 17, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Love the picture of Don Breaux and Colt Brennan on the Redskins section online....looks like Colt is gawking at how big of a fish his great grandfather Don once caught. Or maybe Don's explaining something about Casey Rabach.

Posted by: dlhaze | July 17, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

4 Days Til Camp Toolboxes

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

The Skins FO's approach on how to get positive radio coverage, "if at first you don't succeed, Berlusconize ... and if that doesn't work, fire everybody and start over." I read (with some remorse) that Czaban only got canned in the morning and that he still will be on in the afternoon.

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I am not really in the mood to lighten up actually, but thanks. Also TE can you at least get your facts straight, Breaux was the second coach Gibbs contacted/hired right after BugES. You could probably make a case that IF Gibbs hadn't freaked and just stayed the course with Gibbs/Breaux/Buges as O braintrust and not hired weird Al it would have been better few years.

That being said the Gibbs 2.0 years were pretty freakin fun to be a fan, sure beat: Petibone/Norv/Marty Spurrier years...Dude came in, reighned in Danny, rebuilt pretty quick after Spurrier left the team in shambles (Trung Canidate anyone?) made 2 playoff runs, held the team together through Sean Taylor tragedy, and left the team way better than he found!!!!!!!

I am just sick of the Gibbs bashing, it makes me want to puke. But by all means back to the updates on six flags stock....

Posted by: chris larry | July 17, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I thought Jasno had some pretty nice things to say about Breaux back around the time of Gibbs' abrupt departure.

I recall thinking at the time that Breaux sounded like one of several people who had been thrown under the bus by Gibbs leaving the way he did.

Their (modern) role appreared to be more of a comfort blanket for JJG, so that would leave them vulnerable to one of those awkward "Two Bobs" interrogations from 'Office Space'.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I guess Riggins being critical did take its toll....

I guess that no one listening took an even greater toll. And while I liked what Riggo had to say, he fumbled and bumbled and reset and grasped for words to the point that it became unlistenable.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

How about this: Tell us how the Redskins will be different this season without him. Do you think that they'll even look for a replacement?

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 2:44 PM

Chris Larry, I don't know what fact you think I have wrong, but can you just answer my question above? What difference will it make this year that he's retired?

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

First one cL?

I remember walking around chewing out everything that moved for my first.

Hang in there, it does get better/easier.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Anon, maybe your I can't listen to him so I have no real opinion. Prolly a combo of both. But if no one caould pick up the signal can you blame low ratings on Riggo?

Posted by: chris larry | July 17, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

That being said the Gibbs 2.0 years were pretty freakin fun to be a fan, sure beat: Petibone/Norv/Marty Spurrier years...Dude came in, reighned in Danny, rebuilt pretty quick after Spurrier left the team in shambles (Trung Canidate anyone?) made 2 playoff runs, held the team together through Sean Taylor tragedy, and left the team way better than he found!!!!!!!

I am just sick of the Gibbs bashing, it makes me want to puke. But by all means back to the updates on six flags stock....

Posted by: chris larry | July 17, 2008 3:03 PM

/Signed with an addition.

Going to the playoffs half the time aint bad in this here NFL if you aint named the colts or pats.

Posted by: Skinz | July 17, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

cl, I think you're misreading what people are trying to say. I cannot recall anyone bashing Gibbs outright, but given how the offense performed, and how 2 out of the 4 seasons the team had a losing record, it kind of comes with the territory. Did Gibbs do a bunch of things that hopefully will help the team in the long run, yes, I don't think you can doubt that, but you can't have the good without the bad. I think even you'd agree that Gibbs was too scared his second go round, and because of this probably lost a bunch of games that he had no business losing.

Posted by: Greg | July 17, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

The Skins FO's approach on how to get positive radio coverage, "if at first you don't succeed, Berlusconize ...

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 3:01 PM

The dude did get the most talented player in the world for 14 million quid. Give him his props.

Posted by: Skinz | July 17, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Picking up a tangent off Skinz input, I'm predicting that the Colts and the Jags switch positions in this next post season ... that Jags win the division and Colts are a wild card.

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Not even out yet Coat, I am a cranky cuss...u haven't figured that out yet?

TE:

"My impression is that Gibbs kept him around as a favor in a coaching staff that was already too large before he joined it."

Before he joined it? You mean when the staff was Gibbs and Buges?????

Janso stated that he was excellent at scoping out opposing defenses. Also he was a an expert at the run game, both 1.0 and 2.0, did we not have a pretty good run game the last 4 years. Did Clinton not run us into the playoffs twice, did Betts not put up crazy numbers on a weak and injured team team? Is Portis not the skins single season Rushing champ?

And how can we know how things will be different? My guess is that if he was a good game plan scout than his veteren, SB winning over 30 years in league take on next week's opponent might be missed. Also give the dude his due, he obviously hung around as a transition team member and than is going to quietly head out to pasture.

Posted by: chris larry | July 17, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

The dude did get the most talented player in the world for 14 million quid. Give him his props.

Posted by: Skinz | July 17, 2008 3:14 PM

Wrong aspect of Silvio Skinz. I think Sween is referring to his tendency to need to 'control' (own) all media outlets to ensure positive coverage of him no matter what he's doing (and it's legality).

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

sween, you're not 'Dave the Predictor', are you?

Posted by: cload & daggar | July 17, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I can barely follow football salaries. Is 14M pounds a good deal for a futbol player? And why would he sign a contract in British pounds rather than the Euro?

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Gibbs was ever scared of losing. I don't know what it was but I never saw "fear" in his face.

Posted by: Alex35332 | July 17, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I figured the 'not out yet' bit cL. You'll be too tired to be cranky once it is!!

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Very well said CL

Posted by: jm220 | July 17, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

It worked for Musolini right up until the hung him RC....

I was being facetious. I'm not even a Milan fan.

Posted by: Skinz | July 17, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

cl--

Thanks for laying that out. I stand corrected.

Bonus: what was Don Breaux's position in college and with the Denver Broncos and San Diego Chargers during his three years in the AFL? QB

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

....Is 14M pounds a good deal for a futbol player?

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 3:20 PM

I'm thinking no...
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/55/popole.3/0_ebfa_d0635a27_orig

- 4-12

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

sween, you're not 'Dave the Predictor', are you?

Posted by: cload & daggar | July 17, 2008 3:19 PM

Nope, just dcsween the subject changer ... it was either switch the Colts or return to Fa(vre)tigue.

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Sween,
Brit's still use the pound, and from my understanding of globalism and such as maps, its a stable currency more than the $ or the euro . 14Million pouns is a little over 28 million US, so I think no matter what you are doing or what currency you pick thats probably good money. Though personally I would like to sign a contract to be paid in a mix of Yen, Blood Diamonds and Best Buy gift cards.

Posted by: 35332 | July 17, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

nothing personal TE just excited to be scrapin about the skins....not race, religion, politcs, the dow, whether I sleep with donkeys, how well the truth whistles....

Posted by: chris larry | July 17, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

It worked for Musolini right up until the hung him RC....

I'm not even a Milan fan.

Posted by: Skinz | July 17, 2008 3:25 PM

If you get the chance, read "The Mysterious Flame of Queen Loana" by Umberto Eco. You mentioning Il Duce reminded me of that as it's part of the backdrop for the story. Superb.

Roma isn't it?

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

35332, so I'm guessing that neither Ronaldihno nor AC Milan/Berlusconi would see the wisdom of negotiating a salary to be paid in "bonus points."

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I can barely follow football salaries. Is 14M pounds a good deal for a futbol player? And why would he sign a contract in British pounds rather than the Euro?

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 3:20 PM

Well I chose my words carefully. While 'dihno isn't the best player in the world anymore. (That belongs to CR or Kaka) he is still widely regarded as the most talented. At 27 if he gets anywhere near his 05-06 form it will be a great deal.

I put it in pounds cause I like to use the word quid as a confessed anglophile.

To give you an idea CR is being talked about having a price of around 75 million Euro so what? 55 million pounds?

Posted by: Skinz | July 17, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

On news of his retirement, shares in Six Flags moved up ... it is now trading at 91 cents.

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 2:25 PM

Like I said yesterday. whether you buy at $0.84 or $0.48, you WILL MAKE MONEY!

Sween did you buy? Don't lie to me now......

Posted by: 4th | July 17, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

How many leads did Gibbs sit on, after halftime Alex?? How many times did he take the safe route on 3rd and 7, instead of trying to get the first down?? If thats not playing scared, what is it?

Posted by: Greg | July 17, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Yup Roma.....Forza I Luppi!

Posted by: Skinz | July 17, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

just excited to be scrapin about the skins....not ... whether I sleep with donkeys

Posted by: chris larry | July 17, 2008 3:28 PM

I thought you'd already conceded this. Or was that the other ChRis LArrY?

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 17, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

To give you an idea CR is being talked about having a price of around 75 million Euro so what? 55 million pounds?

Posted by: Skinz | July 17, 2008 3:32 PM

So that would be $110M just to have the right to hold his Cristiano Ronaldo's registration. You haven't paid him a dollar at that point, although players used to get 5% of the fee if they didn't ask for the transfer (which C. Ronaldo has).

Imagine if transfer fees were allowed in the NFL?

Peyton Manning, Tom Brady? Priceless ($100M+).
Sexy Rexy Grossperson? 7c and a used t-shirt....

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Yup Roma.....Forza I Luppi!

Posted by: Skinz | July 17, 2008 3:34 PM

You're not an Ultra I hope!!

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

4th, I wish ... I'm so broke, I can hardly pay attention.

So back to that other topic, what if that guy who un-retired were to be swapped with that guy who dances on television? They are both old but still high performers that otherwise leave a sour tang in the mouths of those two teams respective GMs. Plus, they are in different conferences. Seems like win-win to me, but the farther south team seems like it might need to throw in a late round pick. Would anybody care about this (other than Redcoat)? At a minimum, we could stop talking about it (and the Skins also might have a chance to pick up KGB).

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

RC,
Question. Not to be a dick but wouldnt you rather have Sexy Rexy over, random Dolphins QB no. 1?

Posted by: Alex35332 | July 17, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

You're not an Ultra I hope!!

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 3:40 PM

Why you going to get bused in for that shabingi gathering if I am RC? Wimpy manure fans!!!

Posted by: Skinz | July 17, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

RC,
Question. Not to be a dick but wouldnt you rather have Sexy Rexy over, random Dolphins QB no. 1?

Posted by: Alex35332 | July 17, 2008 3:45 PM

In a word? No.

We already know what he is, we're only debating his price. IMHO the guy has no upside.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

The only thing I dislike about Italian futbol is that 'darker' side of some of the supporters Skinz. The game played there can be so great, but some of that other stuff is butt-ugly even to someone who's seen the excesses of English hooliganism.

If Man Untied fans are wimps, then I'm right at home with 'em.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Suck it, Trebeck!!

Posted by: Sean Connery | July 17, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I wonder whether Miami is even on that list of that guy (the one sucking up all the oxygen in sports media) who was asked for a list of teams he'd be willing to be traded to. My Crazy Eight ball says "WTF!"

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I finally caught up, so forgive me for my late to the party posts.

Re: Breux - He will be misse d for what he did for the franchise. I'm sure whatever position he was in had no significance so he figured it's no use to be around. He was just prob around for the transiition.

Breux/Gibbs/Buges = Greatness

They should have never listened to whoever was talking in the ear about adding a new coach to the Offense...

Posted by: 4th | July 17, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Q: What do Manchester United Fans use for birth control?
A: Their personalities.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Here's your answer Sween. We're at #10 on the list (Skins at #2) and using JT as trade-bait is part of the justification.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8339114/#10

Although the guy seems to use blogs as his data source to validate this. Yay!!

Posted by: REdcoat | July 17, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Q: What do Manchester United Fans use for birth control?
A: Their personalities.

Posted by: | July 17, 2008 3:58 PM

And it works!!

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Q: You're trapped in a room with a tiger, a rattlesnake, and a Manchester United Fan. You have a gun with two bullets. What should you do?
A: Shoot the Man United Fan. Twice.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I hear Jacoby wants to get into coaching. Bring his butt in to get some learning under his belt. Maybe under Buges? Also I stand by the idea of getting Dilfer as a QB coach.

Posted by: Alex35332 | July 17, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

A: Shoot the Man United Fan. Twice.

Posted by: | July 17, 2008 4:00 PM

Doesn't help, as we're all 'undead' anyway. Just a waste of perfectly good buwwets.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 17, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Four surgeons are taking a coffee break:
1st surgeon says "Accountants are the best to operate on because when you open them up, everything inside is numbered."

2nd surgeon says "Nah, librarians are the best. Everything inside them is in alphabetical order."

3rd surgeon says "Try electricians, man! Everything inside them is colour coded."

4th surgeon says "I prefer Man U fans. They're heartless, spineless, gutless and their heads and arses are interchangeable."

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Re: Snyder & Too many Radio stations.

Why do you need 4 radio stations to broad cast?!??! He should have tried to reinvent both stations vs. consolidation. People like options and options, we had. I would go back and forth between 1st team and M&Ms. Same with riggo and the SportsReporters.

Riggo did suck though. He was just there to collect a check.

I am happy for those WTEM people (Coleman he did suck, though. Which is why they prob got rid of him).

Will be forced to listen to Larry Michael now?!?!? O, the horror.....

I think Czaben's syndicated show will still be syndicated for Fox Sports, but I have no info on this.

LAst but should have been 1st. Snyder paid $33 Mil for 3 weak SJK signals, but only (ONLY) paid $24.5 Mil for 3 better signals......

Wow....Just Wow....

Posted by: 4th | July 17, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Lastly,

When do you think Buges 1st chooke out of Zorn will happen?

I say it will happen by week 5.

Posted by: 4th | July 17, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Ever since they took the skins of WJFK they went down hill.

F Larry Michael

Posted by: 35332 | July 17, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I agree with what you said RC. Hopefully one day Serie A can take a look across the pond and see how the EPL cleaned themselves up and what it's done for the game there.

Until then the quality on and off the pitch will continue to diminish.

Posted by: Skinz | July 17, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I have a question, isn't the 6 flags in Bowie one of the most ghetto amusement parks in the country?

Posted by: Question Guy | July 17, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

beepbeep....Jasno shares a Breaux story...

Posted by: Cindy | July 17, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Dude was a good soldier for the skins for many years, mostly good, damn entertaining years at that. Dude tried to hang on after Gibbs and help out, moved to scouting. Prolly was just like F, lets hit the beach and grand kids. I swear some people up here skins memory is weak....

Posted by: chris larry | July 17, 2008 2:31 PM


Chris Larry, I can't believe you would accuse Don Breaux of hitting his grandkids.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

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