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The Numbers Don't Lie

It's been impossible not to notice the stark contrast between this off season and most every one prior under Dan Snyder/Vinny Cerrato. Even in previous years where spending was down, they were always chasing at least a few free agents from the onset, wining and dining players at the start of free agency, etc.

Sure, Snyder's other businesses are in the tank and the economy is stumbling, and the Redskins had very limited cap space, especially when compared to most other teams. But reality is, they couldn't keep doing what they we're doing forever, and, most importantly, it wasn't working. Not even close.

Since 2000, the first year Snyder really had control of the team (he took over in the summer of 1999, with the off season over and the roster largely ser), the Redskins have been the most inefficient team in the NFL, regardless of the coach, starting quarterback, or anything else.

I got my hands on some figures compiled by the NFL Management Council on dead cap, and "committed cash" - which shows what teams really spend on players in any given year (the salary cap is soft and this shows what teams really spent, in real dollars included all bonuses and incentives in that league year, not just cap dollars spent). These figures are distributed to teams and the NFLPA, and I obtained them through league sources.

Here are the top 5 spending teams, in committed cash, since 2000:

1 Redskins $747 million
2 Indy $710 million
3 Balt $708 million
4 Dallas $700 million
5 New England - $694 million

Three of those 5 teams won Super Bowls, the other two reside in the NFC East

How about the top 5 teams in dead cap space since 2000?

1 Redskins $83 million
2 San Fran $80 million
3 Denver -$80 million
4 Tennessee $78 million
5 Oakland $75 million

That's like giving away one year of payroll every 8 seasons (the 2004 NFL cap was $80 million, as a comparison).
Yikes, not the company you want to keep, eh? The 49ers and Raiders have had front offices in perpetual disarray, Denver just fired its GM and the Titans let Floyd Reese go a year ago and gutted their aging team after nearly missing on the Super Bowl a few times early this decade.

So, for all of that spending,, and binging and purging, where do the Skins rank in wins since 2000 - 23rd with 58 wins. They won 1 playoff game, no division titles and hosted no playoff games.

"This stuff right here, these numbers, this is the NFL's version of 'Moneyball,'" said one high ranking official who had studying the spreadsheets from the management council. "This is how you grade the managers. This is how you evaluate the guys paid to do the evaluating. The numbers don't lie."

Let's look more closely at the short term. Dead cap totals for the past three years:

1 Tenn - $65 million
2 Houston - $57 million
3 Redskins $55 million
4 Miami - $50 million
5 Denver - $49 million

Now, as we went over, the Titans got rid of Reese - who has had a long and distinguished career and has a strong coaching backround along with his front office work - and went with a new regime. Houston parted with Charley Casserly, who ran and put together that expansion team. Denver fired its GM a few weeks back - though much of the blame must go to the ubber-powerful head coach there as well - and Miami completely overhauled its front office a few months back, with The Tuna ushering in a new regime.

What did the Redskins do? They handed the keys to the entire kingdom to Cerrato, the only constant of the Snyder era, who has been repeatedly promoted. The same guy who, a year ago, according to league sources, the Redskins very nearly replaced or at least demoted, with Gibbs coming very close to hiring someone else to oversee the personnel department.

This, my friends, is why the rest of the league looks at the Redskins as they do when it comes to these things. This is why so many people are dubious about this Snyder/Cerrato tandem working out.

Take a look at the past 4 years, The era of the much talked about Gibbs/Cerrato/Snyder front office model, and no team spent more in committed cash - $431 million - but at least they got two playoff appearances for that. And just because the Redskins aren't signing a bunch of free agents this season does not mean they will not have high committed cash totals, as they continue to rework 10 contracts each off season and guarantee huge chunks of money to aging players. The dead cap waste has been a constant of Snyder's as well. Trust me, Joe Gibbs never claimed to be a master salary negotiator, that's not why he was there. That's Snyder and Cerrato's domain, with their cap guy, Eric Schaffer. Gibbs loved to spend but never pretended to be a cap guru.

Imagine what a force the Redskins could have been had they actually found a way to utilize those massive resources at even close to the rate of most of the NFL's top front offices? They could be a juggernaut, the NFC's Patriots, but they have been miss-managed on many fronts in terms of player acquisitions and payroll.

Four years ago, prior to Gibbs first training camp back, Snyder and Cerrato told me they had learned from their mistakes, had the salary cap figured out and were close to winning their first Super Bowl. They had learned from their mistakes, and were better for it. Won't get fooled again, they said.

Two years ago, through an outside PR firm Snyder had hired to help try to restore his image at the time, he made the same remarks via email to me: Learned from the past, older and wiser now, got things better figured out now, ready to give the city a winner.

During the Gibbs departure press conference we got more of the same - more stable now, learned from our mistakes, learned from Coach Joe, yada, yada yada, And perhaps, finally, they have. Showing some restraint in a poor free agent market with limited available cap space is a positive step no doubt.

But this is also a veteran team, particularly aging at some key spots on both sides of the line, and the years of restructured contracts has continued to push huge cap sums into the future. So this is why I cast a skeptical eye (and, oh yeah, it's also part of my job). I tend to fall back on that axiom Bush butchers - "Fool me one, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."

We'll see if they become demons at the draft table. We'll see how they fare in player development. We'll see how they manage the cap. We'll see if they make cold, calculated decisions about rebuilding and shedding high priced veterans, or if they keep redoing every contract they can, convinced that THIS is the year.

Attach the W's and L's to Snyder and Cerrato, for better or worse, and keep your fingers crossed.

By Jason La Canfora  |  April 4, 2008; 6:29 AM ET
 
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Comments

Hey, alright lets go Numbers and being up at 6:30 Am

Posted by: alex35332 | April 4, 2008 6:33 AM | Report abuse

Damn, I was almost first!

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 4, 2008 6:57 AM | Report abuse

You're pretty good with numbers, Jason. If you know anything about frozen OJ concentrate futures, Ben Bernanke might be able to use you.

Posted by: HogsHead | April 4, 2008 7:18 AM | Report abuse

Remember another axiom? First there are lies, then there are d*&mned lies, then there are statistics? Numbers actually lie all the time. That's why we have things like Enron.

It's people who lie. The numbers just do what we tell them to.

Posted by: SonofNero | April 4, 2008 7:23 AM | Report abuse

Fiddle fiddle. Watch Rome burn.

Posted by: SonofNero | April 4, 2008 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Great post, Janso. I'm still skeptical as well. It would be one thing if Snyderatto hadn't preached all of the same things before and we weren't in cap crisis, but we are. The real test to see if these clowns have changed will be when we enter an offseason under the cap, without having to restructure 10 guys and push their inevitable dead cap back.

Who wants some season tickets???

Posted by: RickyBobby | April 4, 2008 7:44 AM | Report abuse

I'm hoping Snyder and Cerrato have learned their lessons and changed their ways..... but I'm wating to be convinced. The numbers are interesting but I don't think any of us will be surprised by them. I just can't get rid of the nagging feeling that Danny is itching to make another big splash this offseason.

Posted by: tartanskin | April 4, 2008 7:55 AM | Report abuse

THIS is why I won't get my hopes up on this team anytime soon. We've heard this same "I'm older/smarter/newer/better" routine from Snyder before just to placate the fans. So until I see some actions with these words, he's still the same old Snyder.

The thing that really chaps my ass about this is that even if Snyder now "gets it", it'll take at least 5 years to really fix this thing. And that's IF Vinny is the right guy to run the FO, IF Zorn is a good head coach, and IF this team does well with the draft/free agency during that time. All the while battling a tough division and the worst salary cap situation in the league. And God help us if any combination of the FO/Coaching staff/roster is NOT the right situation. Add on another 3-5 years of rebuilding.

I was REALLY hoping the Skins would ride the wave of emotion that got them into the playoffs right into the Super Bowl. I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but the Skins are the only team in the NFL to make at least one appearance in a Super Bowl in every full decade of the Super Bowl era. That streak is now in grave jeopardy. And it might be another decade before we see them in one again.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 4, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Guys,

Im hearing rumors that the players union will opt for no salary cap after the 09-01 season...could you imagine what Danny and the Vinny would do???...

Posted by: the_crazy_one17 | April 4, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Man, this post needs a "WHY DID WE LET ANTONIO PIERCE GO"

On the heels of the Redskins showing restraint in what could easily be described as a WEAK free agent market, people can't let go of their past.

Come on, lets get it all out on the table:

Bruce Smith
Mark Carrier
Dieon Sander
Jeff George

Sorry, you can't be skeptical about what they've done the past 2 seasons. They brought in Fletcher, Smoot and Kendall, which I would say were all winners. They drafted Landry. This-offseason, they resigned Rock/Todd, and didn't break the bank on average players.

I don't get it. Its like no one can move on from the past. They're trying to change their way's but people don't want to let them. I wont even get started on playing both sides of the fence with Brandon Lloyd. JLA had NOTHING good to say about the guy, but now that he's with Chicago, he sees him possibly having a decent year? Sorry, thats just bush league to me.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 4, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but the Skins are the only team in the NFL to make at least one appearance in a Super Bowl in every full decade of the Super Bowl era. That streak is now in grave jeopardy. And it might be another decade before we see them in one again.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 4, 2008 08:06 AM
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Yep, let's face it, that record is gone as we ain't going to the Superbowl anytime soon. Come on Jim Zorn - prove me wrong!!!

Posted by: tartanskin | April 4, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Jason~
Why no reports on guys from the draft and their visits? Are the skins not having players come in for visits or are they not visiting certain places? Your back from Vacation can we get some draft news going seeing that its April.

Thanks
from NC

Posted by: natiesparents | April 4, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

I don't get it. Its like no one can move on from the past. They're trying to change their way's but people don't want to let them. I wont even get started on playing both sides of the fence with Brandon Lloyd. JLA had NOTHING good to say about the guy, but now that he's with Chicago, he sees him possibly having a decent year? Sorry, thats just bush league to me.

HEY Vinny is that you lol

Posted by: rnorris6 | April 4, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

naties, draft updates are no fun. Bashing the team for signing Jeff George back 8 years ago is more relevant, somehow???

I don't get it either. Instead of stuff like this, how about an update on injured players, Rogers, Thomas, Jansen, Rocky, how about an update on who the Redskins are looking to draft, how about an update on how Heyer is progressing this off-season, how Doughty's progressing this offseason?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 4, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Can someone please dumb this down for me? I understand that we are on "lists" with people that we don't want to be (i.e. Raiders, etc.), but I don't understand how we can have so much committed cash, but at the same time have "dead cap space" - this is one part of football I don't understand.

Posted by: suzannepdc | April 4, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Snyder and Cerrato could just be pushing off all these cap concerns until something like 09-10 happens when they will be able to push all the dead cap and guaranteed money or any other cap problems all into that one uncapped year and erase the last decade of cap mistakes. if it is true about the uncapped year, the redskins would start anew on level footing with the rest of the league in 2011

Posted by: mrodlauer | April 4, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Cool off a little, Greg...

With regards to this team and its prior spending practices, the past is directly contributing to their present and their future. And as I said: Danny has said the same thing he's said before and he's slowed the spending before. He's got to do it for more than two years before he gets the benefit of the doubt on this. You can't just undo 8 years of f-ing up in just two seasons (not without winning a Super Bowl, of course). Just like an ex-con has to keep his nose clean for an extended period of time before he starts to get the benefit of the doubt, Snyder has to do the same.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 4, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

"And as I said: Danny has said the same thing he's said before"

I don't recall this happening, Danny saying he's matured? When did this happen.

I just don't see the relevancy of how this matters today. There is 3 weeks to the draft. They have a new head coach, putting in a new offensive system. Surely, there were better things to write about, than how they spend money back in 2001, and how now that BLloyd is off the team, he's going to play better. Sorry, I'm not buying it.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 4, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

BONG!

Posted by: bigmurf08 | April 4, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Who's not letting the Vinny and Snyder move on? Last time I checked, nobody is forcing their hand one way or another, so it's their choice whether or not they're going to permanently change their ways. JLC bringing this up has nothing to do with letting the skins move on. If anything, it reinforces the mistakes Snyder has made, which will could only help his decision-making in the future.

There's nothing irrelevant about talking about the personnel history of your personnel men. It's no different than talking about the past coaching record of your head coach. It gives you bearings on how they're improving/declining/learning, and what realistic expectations should be for these guys.

Posted by: psps23 | April 4, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Amen, gregmarino88 - I'm totally with you about this. Just let it go, JLC! It's a new dawn...it's a new day!

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 4, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

GREAT STUFFFFFF !!!!!!!!!!!!!! POOLMAN LIVE IS ALIVE AND WE'LL

Posted by: poolman | April 4, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

GREAT STUFFFFFF !!!!!!!!!!!!!! POOLMAN LIVE IS ALIVE AND WE'LL

Posted by: poolman | April 4, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

GREAT STUFFFFFF !!!!!!!!!!!!!! POOLMAN LIVE IS ALIVE AND WE'LL

Posted by: poolman | April 4, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

GREAT STUFFFFFF !!!!!!!!!!!!!! POOLMAN LIVE IS ALIVE AND WE'LL

Posted by: poolman | April 4, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

gregmarino88 Lighten up man or keep it to yourself JLC is just doing is job and a fine one at that i must offer.Got a question if you are still reading Are you on Danny's payroll LOL

Posted by: rnorris6 | April 4, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Since 2000, the first year Snyder really had control of the team (he took over in the summer of 1999, with the off season over and the roster largely ser), the Redskins have been the most inefficient team in the NFL, regardless of the coach, starting quarterback, or anything else

psp, please quantify this statement, as well as tell me how this is relevant today??

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 4, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

Your zeal on the topic is wild but well placed. Keep fighting the good fight for those of us that are so frustrated they can't contribute.

Posted by: sams3 | April 4, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Suzanne,

I believe "dead cap space" refers to deferred money owed to players no longer with the team. For example, a player retires in 2006 but contractually had deferred payments due in 2007 and 2008. Those payments count against the cap.

If I am wrong, I am sure some will correct me.

Posted by: Markin21132 | April 4, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Suzanne,

I believe "dead cap space" refers to deferred money owed to players no longer with the team. For example, a player retires in 2006 but contractually had deferred payments due in 2007 and 2008. Those payments count against the cap.

If I am wrong, I am sure some will correct me.

Posted by: Markin21132 | April 4, 2008 09:06 AM

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Thanks. That makes SO much more sense now. I thought it was money that wasn't being used, which made no sense, given that we spent so much money. Got it now. Thanks.

Posted by: suzannepdc | April 4, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Everybody is hopping on Greg but this is not groundbreaking reporting. The skins spend a lot of money. I think if you would have asked any NFL fan including us Redskin fans who spent the most money in the past Decade 99% would say the Redskins.
Now can we get some news on the Draft? Its April. Jason, Lawrence Jackson is visiting according to KFFL is there anybody else? Have they showed interest in any recievers like Limas Sweed, Devin Thomas James Hardy, Malcom Kelly? This was filler time to get back to work Jason :) you did a great job this past year so please give us somthing. You can take another break after the draft before camp.

Posted by: natiesparents | April 4, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

The numbers argument in this article is very phony (and I'm finishing my PhD in statistics, so grant me some credibility here). The numbers don't lie, the writer does.

First, you come up with a list in which the Redskins are in "good company" -- aha, 3/5 of this list won the superbowl, we didn't, so we underachieved. Then you come up with a list in which the Redskins are in "bad company" -- aha, 4/5 of this list has had turnover at the GM position. The story smacks of being selective and picking numbers *after* the fact to try to explain success or failure. It's not a bad effort, but it doesn't prove anything.

One could turn the same figures on their head and tell the opposite story -- we're on a list of 3/5 superbowl winners, so we're doing something right and are bound to win the SB next season, and also we're on a list of 4/5 "turmoil" teams, though we still made the playoffs, so we have something special among our capabilities.

It's lovely to try to find explanations for success, or lack thereof, and blaming the front office is a convenient and recurring narrative, but that's all it is--a good "story". It doesn't make it true.

What do I think? There's a lot of luck involved, a lot more than people are willing to admit.

Posted by: IndependenceEveWonderlandBallroom | April 4, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Markin,

Dead Cap Space is when prorated bonuses get accelerated to a single year when a player gets cut. A player signs a 7 year contract with a $28M signing bonus, the bonus gets prorated to $4M a year plus salary against the cap. If the player gets cut after 3 years, the remaining $16M in prorated bonus cap gets applied to the following year, which is Dead Cap Space against the $100M Salary Cap.

Posted by: imasmrtazz | April 4, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Tracey Porter, CB from Indiana is scheduled to visit the skins April9-10. Malcolm Kelly is scheduled for April 11th according to Scouts.com

Posted by: marlonjohn | April 4, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

in 2000 they beat the lions at home in the playoffs and then lost to the bucs when dan turk had the bad snap for the field goal.

Posted by: grizlies98 | April 4, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

The numbers argument in this article is very phony (and I'm finishing my PhD in statistics, so grant me some credibility here). The numbers don't lie, the writer does.

First, you come up with a list in which the Redskins are in "good company" -- aha, 3/5 of this list won the superbowl, we didn't, so we underachieved. Then you come up with a list in which the Redskins are in "bad company" -- aha, 4/5 of this list has had turnover at the GM position. The story smacks of being selective and picking numbers *after* the fact to try to explain success or failure. It's not a bad effort, but it doesn't prove anything.

One could turn the same figures on their head and tell the opposite story -- we're on a list of 3/5 superbowl winners, so we're doing something right and are bound to win the SB next season, and also we're on a list of 4/5 "turmoil" teams, though we still made the playoffs, so we have something special among our capabilities.

It's lovely to try to find explanations for success, or lack thereof, and blaming the front office is a convenient and recurring narrative, but that's all it is--a good "story". It doesn't make it true.

What do I think? There's a lot of luck involved, a lot more than people are willing to admit.

Posted by: IndependenceEveWonderlandBallroom | April 4, 2008 09:17 AM

Well done. I will remain hopeful yet unconvinced though. One year of restrained free agency does not a trend make. Wait and see attitude still applies.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 4, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

I agree with you on this, JLC is a Redskins hater, and the reason he post this crap is because he can no longer get any inside information on the team. The Redskins should have made more of an effort to reach B-Lloyd, whatever that is just crap what are they babysitters. JLC should go write for his Favorite team the Ravens. Lets get over the past whatever the effect it has now is over and done with, you can not fix the past lets move on. JLC try to use a source in the building, if you still have one to find out what the Skins are going to do with the first pick.

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 4, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

marl, thanks for the update.

Scamp, were they restrained in your mind last year, when they brought in Fletcher, Smoot, and Kendall?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 4, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

THONGS and FLAPJACKS

Posted by: pulldownclaw | April 4, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

If your going to post irrelevant numbers why don't you post the teams earnings in that same time span

Posted by: cilp33 | April 4, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

psp, please quantify this statement, as well as tell me how this is relevant today??

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 4, 2008 09:01 AM

Fair enough, JLC does have this one biased. It's his opinion, and it's a rough one. He should be more deliberate in stating that as opinion and not a quantifiable fact. As long as he doesn't prematurely bash Snyder's or Cerrato's future decisions, I have no problem with JLC giving his judgments. Doesn't mean I agree with him, but I won't look down upon him for stating his opinion. It helps keep people grounded, and at least gives something to argue about.

Posted by: psps23 | April 4, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

km, I just don't understand how this is relavant today? I mean, I like Jason, I like the fact that he does this blog, don't get me wrong, but to say that Lloyd might have a good year this year, is just a back-handed way of taking a dig at the Redskins.

Like I said before, many more subjects that could have been written about.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 4, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Scamp, were they restrained in your mind last year, when they brought in Fletcher, Smoot, and Kendall?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 4, 2008 09:32 AM

Good point, 2 years of good choices and restraint is the beginning of a trend. Ah, me thinks they may be onto something...hopefully.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 4, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Man, I thought Jasno was just back from his vacation. This is what he brings with him? Hate, venom, and irrelevant statistics?

Yesterday he was trying to gin up some Vinny hate (Let's get him a nasty nickname) and today it's a bunch of bogus numbers from the first chapter of "How to Lie with Statistics." (Tip of the cap to new blogger with name too long to type for pointing that out).

As for bad personnel decisions, Jasno hasn't given us any reason to believe that they were Vinnie's rather than Spurrier, Gibbs, or Schottenheimer's (Gardner, Rod). After all, Schottenheimer had complete control for one year and Gibbs for four, so how is this mess laid at Snyder/Cerrato's doorstep?

And he blissfully ignores the fact that the Redskins Snyder bought were an underachieving and badly managed team in need of an overhaul.

Isn't it time for the Post to assign Jasno to cover a different team? It's a shame to waste all this anger on the Redskins when he could be criticizing the Nationals who haven't been to a single Superbowl since before or after they left Montreal, or the Wizards who can't start five healthy players, or the Caps who, with the best player in the league still haven't wrapped up a playoff berth.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 4, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

in 2000 they beat the lions at home in the playoffs and then lost to the bucs when dan turk had the bad snap for the field goal.

Posted by: grizlies98 | April 4, 2008 09:20 AM


Games may have been played in 2000 but that is considered the 1999 NFL season.

I'm coming around on the FO as long as we don't give up 1st round pick(s) for Chad Johnson or completely whiff on this draft.

Posted by: cdubb | April 4, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

TE,

Great breakdown I agree 100%.

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 4, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Noone buys a team, and executes things perfectly right from the start. It took the Rooney's 40 years to get things going in the right direction. It took Tom Brady to get the Patriots going in the right direction. Sometimes it takes some time, sometimes it takes a little luck. All I'm saying is that Dan stated he was too impatient at first, but he's LEARNING, and he's TRYING TO CHANGE.

If he came out and said, "I've never done anything wrong", I'd be first in line to crucify the guy.

He's realized his approach was wrong. Thats a good thing.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 4, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Very interesting post. It's funny, I was just talking to a friend about how the Redskins have probably paid more per win during the Snyder era than any other team in the league, and these numbers seem to back that up. Hopefully they stop wasting money on the likes of Lloyd and Archuletta, but as JLaCa wrote, only time will tell since we've heard that they've changed their ways before.

Posted by: rawk | April 4, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Gene Upshaw has already said that if there is a non cap year in 2010, the players will never agree to a salary cap again. So the owners better realize what this league is about, I do not think 90,000 people will come to a stadium to see the owner crunching numbers at his desk.

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 4, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Now this is what I call reporting...nice article!!

unfortunatly for us fans this malady will have a negative effect on any restucturing for years to come..

Snyder comes from an era where the belief is money can buy anything. I guess to some extent it can. People can spend years in the football business and still not have a good grasp of what makes a good football team. I think it takes a good grasp of player intangibles. Most of the players can run a 4.45..40 or bench press 400 lbs.

Does Vinny understand the intangibles?? Dosent seem so. Are there any real football people that can work with Snyder??

Us fans will hope for the best but mentally prepair for the worse as long as the current regime is in place. Hopefully the skins will get turned around soon and this will all be mute.

The numbers say this will not happen soon.

Posted by: apb5919 | April 4, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

blah blah blah, Jasno hates the Redskins, blah blah blah. Next question...

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | April 4, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I apologize for the length of this, but i'm pretty ticked off at this

Its true, the numbers don't lie, but you can manipulate, pick, and chose numbers to fit whatever point you want to make. As i read Jasno's blog, it was abundantly clear to me that Jasno had an opinion (i.e. he hates this franchise with a passion) and he used data that appears to support that opinion, while excluding everything else.

I noticed that over the past 7 years, we were #1 in dead cap space. Over the past 3 years, we were only #3. That shows improvement. What Jasno failed to mention is that this dead cap stuff isnt something that goes away over night. it takes YEARS, in many cases, for a team to be rid of its mistakes. So we have been in a situation where, because of past mistakes, we don't have much room to play with capwise, we have dead cap due to some of these past mistakes, and we still have to do something to stay competitive.

The way I see it, two years ago, Snyder and Cerrato had a choice to make:

Option A: take their lumps, cut dead weight, dont extend, garauntee older players, don't bring in any fresh blood, sign cheap crappy players and give up ANY HOPE of being competitive for 3-4 years... OR

OPTION B: gradually change your ways over the course over the next few years, knowing it might take 5-10 years for you to really have a "clean slate.

There was no Option C.

Like it or not, Snyder/Cerrato chose Option B. Before damning them for this decision, think about this: Would you completely screw Joe Gibbs over during the final 3 years of his contract? Would you give a Hall of Fame Coach, who took your franchise to 4 superbowls and won 3 of them, absolutely NOTHING to work with? NO. Snyder/Cerrato had every reason to EXPCECT Joe Gibbs would take them to a superbowl and they did everything in their power to help him, while still showing restraint, responsibility, and improvement in cap management over the last two years.

So Joe Gibbs fails. He quits before fulfilling his contract. What do Snyder and Cerrato do: They go to Option A... or a slightly less drastic version of Option A. We're resigning our own guys and only extending/garaunteeing guys who we can reasonably expect to be here for the long haul (because of past mismanagement, we really dont have much of a choice when it comes to garaunteeing some contracts). We've created cap room that will allow us to cut some of our dead weight this year.

Speaking of dead weight - I found it interesting how Jasno loved to talk about how much dead cap we carried over the past 7 and 3 years, but he didnt say anything about how much dead cap we're carrying this year: about $7 Million. Compare this to our average over the past 3 years, which was $18M/year and note that $2million of this years dead cap is devoted to Sean Taylor and over $3 Million is devoted to Mark Brunell. Looking to the future, we'll have about $5M in dead cap space for Lloyd next year. However, as of this time, we don't have anyone of consequence counting against our cap after that. I'm sure we'll take some lumps cutting old guys like Washington and Daniels, maybe even Janson.

However, aside from Lloyd and Archuletta, this team hasnt made any rediculously stupid signings (salarycapwise) since the first year of Joe Gibbs 2.0. Last year, we only signed a few FAs and to minimum contracts.

This year, we resigned our own free agents to modest contracts and didnt bring in ANYONE from the outside, even though we had the cap room to do so. Even though we had need at receiver, we wouldnt overpay for even a little. Why not: The redskins are sending a message to players that they arent overspending anymore. Period.

For the past two seasons, and most noteably this year, the skins front office is showing tremendous improvement.


Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 4, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I am not sure if the powers that be read the reader responses, but I feel strongly about this post by JLC.

By no means am I a Snyder apologist, and I know very well how they have squandered away draft picks, thrown money at free agents and gotten burnt.

But don't you think we readers would be better served by reporting on which draft prospects are skins looking at closely, visits to Redskins park by these prospects etc. By throwing these numbers at us, you have not really made a point better, but just informed us readers about what we already know.
Or worse, is JLC pretty much frozen out by people at Redskins Park and has no access to actual news/info? I have also noticed that the Redskins regime seems to granting more access to the "other" newspaper in town.
How about some actual draft buzz instead of this constant regurgitation.

Posted by: sunrup | April 4, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

And, Jasno, where do you come up with this:

I tend to fall back on that axiom Bush butchers - "Fool me one, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."

Uh, shouldn't that be "Fool me ONCE?"

We're pretty tolerant up here of your "idiosyncratic" spelling. But it seems to me that when you want to make fun the President you shouldn't butcher the very same axiom that you're criticizing him for. Don't you think it's hypocritical to hold others to a higher standard than you, yourself, can achieve?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 4, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I say we officially rename the blog as Redskins Hater or a better name.

Posted by: dnaik | April 4, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

(Quote)I just don't understand how this is relavant today? I mean, I like Jason, I like the fact that he does this blog, don't get me wrong, but to say that Lloyd might have a good year this year, is just a back-handed way of taking a dig at the Redskins.

I tottally dssagree I for 1 was against the Lloyd signing but Danny has the rich person ego that thinks money can fix anything and sorry folks it cant. I personally quit extremeskins when danny decided to milk the loyal fans of more money by making extremeskins a pay site!! I will always be a fan of the Redskins but I must admit I threw away the kool aide and the burgondy glasses and jumped off the bandwagon 3 years after Danny bought the team.

Posted by: rnorris6 | April 4, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

but to say that Lloyd might have a good year this year, is just a back-handed way of taking a dig at the Redskins.

Like I said before, many more subjects that could have been written about.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 4, 2008 09:40 AM

Greg - I didn't take this as a dig against the skins. I took it as a dig against Receiver, The. Basically saying that BL is only in it for the money. He realizes his meal ticket is in jeopardy so puts forth the effort this year so sign another multi-year contract with a bonus next year. THen he goes back to cashing the checks.

Posted by: BCBarney | April 4, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

If I were the owner and I knew for a FACT that the 09-10 season will be uncapped, I would have every contract renegotiated to be paid then to get guys and their large $ off the books.

Simple way to eliminate the problem.

Posted by: anthonyfkelly | April 4, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Great report. Nothing new, but I think we do have to caution this new optimism spawned from a few months of fiscal responsibility this off-season. I honestly think we'd have already done a 1st & future draft pick plus contract-extension for Ocho-Cinco if the Bengals could have afforded the cap hit. I'm glad Vinny can supposedly learn from his past mistakes (geez, we've been making them long enough) but like you, I'm pretty skeptical this leopard has changed his spots. We're always going to over-reach for that one veteran we're supposedly missing to get us to the superbowl but I think we're too burdened by past overspending (and not just the guys we've cut) for that to be reality. That said, so far so good with the off-season and lets hope for a great draft.

Posted by: jwruble | April 4, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

For the past two seasons, and most noteably this year, the skins front office is showing tremendous improvement.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 4, 2008 10:09 AM

It kills me to say this but...good post SETH. Now that wasn't as hard as I thought it would be.

Posted by: marlonjohn | April 4, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

"they have been miss-managed"

I would like to meet this young lady.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 4, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Or worse, is JLC pretty much frozen out by people at Redskins Park and has no access to actual news/info? I have also noticed that the Redskins regime seems to granting more access to the "other" newspaper in town.
How about some actual draft buzz instead of this constant regurgitation.

Posted by: sunrup | April 4, 2008 10:11 AM


Excellent point sunrup. its very telling that Snyder chose to have his first interview in years with a guy from the times. the post is without a doubt the most prominent paper, and if jasno had been an unbiased journalist, instead of simply looking for ways to criticize the franchise and dwell on their mistakes, then i have no doubt he would have gotten the interview. Theres evidently some serious beef between jasno and the skins organization (both ways) and i doubt jasno gives us anything relevant until that beef is settled. hopefully that beef doesnt extend to the other jason.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 4, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

YOU A REDSKINS GM

not for real ofcours but at 8 today and tomorrow at ... there is a live NFL draft at NFLFANS.COM only here in the North of the Netherlands the server is unavailible so someone else can take my place as a GM of the Redskins..Interested e-mail me @ wilco_nieuwehorne @ hotmail . com

Posted by: wilco_nieuwehorne | April 4, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

About Lloyd...if I remember correctly, JLC trashed Lloyd last season....but now he thinks he has potential?

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 4, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Nothing like a Jasno opinion piece to bring out the barnburners down to the Johnson farm, is it? Couldn't get a stronger reaction than posting something about losing Ryan Clark....

As for the "Numbers don't say everything", yes, those of you hollering this are right! This is why one must learn to take his numbers from varying sources. I see where Jasno's coming into this - he's coming in as a non-homer, and someone that's definitely not holding his punches. Is it over the top? Sometimes, yes. This is why you go to other sources to find other information, and place the truth of it somewhere in that middle. Railing at Jasno for offering his opinion on this blog, a place reserved for his opinions, is pointless.

But even greater yet, however, is the fact that some numbers provide an immutable truth, despite all the decrying about spin, opinions and bias. 58 wins. 58 ever since the Snydicate took over the reins of this team. That's 58 wins out of, what, 128 games? That's not even batting .500.

Spending all this money that we hear about, year after year, and we're not even batting .500? We're spending as much money as teams that have earned at least one Super Bowl in the last few years, yet we're getting bush-league (or is that Bush-league?) results? You can say all you want about things improving, or they're getting better, or they're learning. The common link these last few years have been one group - the Snydicate. Can one help but to wonder what's happening, when we continue to be lackluster?

Frankly, this team hasn't done much to earn its way out of that typical dread we've become accustomed to feeling at the beginning of each season - the lingering notion that despite the promising look of things each season, the glorious changes that are made, the new shiny baubles we've picked up, that we're standing in the Elevator to Heck, waiting for it to go straight down. Yes, we've had a few years of goodness in there - last year, despite the problems and the ultimate tragedy, or the gutty performance 2 seasons before that. But what else? Frightfully slim pickings.

Yes, I'm a fan of this team. Yes, I love it as much as most of you do. But forgive some of us when we decide to peer at things a little more skeptically when the Snydicate says that they've changed their tune. I'll be happy to admit I am wrong at the end of the season. I fear, most of all, being right.

Posted by: FlimFlam | April 4, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Frankly, this team hasn't done much to earn its way out of that typical dread we've become accustomed to feeling at the beginning of each season - the lingering notion that despite the promising look of things each season, the glorious changes that are made, the new shiny baubles we've picked up, that we're standing in the Elevator to Heck, waiting for it to go straight down.

Posted by: FlimFlam | April 4, 2008 11:00 AM

FlimFlam,

I think they've done a lot, and much of it was precisely by doing nothing. I see the glass as half full and you seem to see it as 3/4 empty. What more do you think they should have done since Gibbs quit with no notice?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 4, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

The post is interesting but hardly earth-shattering. Without looking at stats or what have you it's easy to see that the skins have spent a ton of money in the past with little to show for it. Except for the Marty year, Vinny's been a constant in the personnel dept. Does that mean this is all his fault? Who knows? Although I doubt he was calling many personnel shots while Gibbs was here. At least now if they succeed or screw up we have no doubt about who to praise or blame.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 4, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

FlimFlam,

The last 4 years the Snydicate was run by Gibbs not Cerrato and for one year it was run by Marty. So you have no idea how Cerrato will do now that he has full control. This blog is not a place for Jasno's opinion he is a beat reporter, he is supposed to report inside information on the team.

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 4, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

For the past two seasons, and most noteably this year, the skins front office is showing tremendous improvement.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 4, 2008 10:09 AM

I'm not quite willing to equate inaction with tremendous improvement ... just avoidance of tremendous failure. From what I can tell, the only affirmative actions taken were to re-sign The Todd, and lowball every other free agent on the roster (presumably in recognition that free agency this offseason is such a dud that no one is really going to sign anywhere). I have my own suspicions (i.e., nefarious collusion among the owners) about why free agency has turned out like it has (i.e., record setting franchise tagging to depress the market), but that also remains to be borne out by time.

Also, re-reading the Blloyd thread starter, I don't think Jasno gave him much love ... I think there is a sour grapes cyclone stirring that up on this thread. Jasno said its put-up-or-shut-up time for Blloyd and that, if he puts up, he might have a good season (esp. given that there is no one else in Chicago to throw balls to), but that he could just as easily take his Snyder money to set up a rap recording studio in his basement.

On the PhD statistician, I think someone subsequently pointed to the fact that Skins have paid more per win than anyone, so I'd like to hear the statistical flipside of that spin.

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

flimflam, theres a difference between being skeptical and being biased. Jason only focused on the negative. He picked and chose numbers to suit his personal vendetta without citing any of the abundant evidence that things ARE CHANGING. he's ignorning the fiscal reality this team is in because of past mistakes. If you asked Jasno or anyone else, what the skins should do to fix their past mistakes, they would be hardpressed to come up with a better gameplan than what we have seen this team do so far this offseason.

Yes, there is a pattern with the WORDS snyder has said over the years. That pattern does not look good. However, i don't care about words. its ACTIONS i care about. and i fully support the ACTIONS this team has taken the past two years to set this franchise on the right course.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 4, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

After watching the video of Jasno & Jason yesterday, I thought and stated that Jasno hates this team. Today helps to confirm my take on this.

When you write an article like the one today on the RI, you cannot just leave it at the numbers and blame the FO. GG thought he could coach anyone and let Pierce go. Saunders wanted B Lloyd, and GG wanted Archuleta. There was no way that Snyder was going to say no to the great Joe Gibbs, so all of the blame for the past 4 years cannot be laid on this FO. If they were an established FO (Snyder has been a fan much longer than a Football person) it would have been easier to say no to Gibbs.

What Jasno has to do when writing an article as the one above is show how some of these decisions were made, who is actually at fault and not just lay the blame on these two FO guys. Yes, they make the decisions, but Snyder believed in Gibbs and tried to give him what he wanted (TE made this point better than I can). IMO (three letters/words that Jasno needs to learn), Gibbs is more to blame for the last four years than Snyder and Vinny.

Those of you who support the kind of reporting that Jasno does are negative people by nature and need to bash or point out all of the bad things that have happened. Time to look at things more positively and not support every word that Jasno says just because he writes them. The numbers do not support his opinion as much as he would like them to.

And he goes on to say he does this because it is his job? To me, a Redskins Insider would be the one interviewing Snyder and Vinny, not the guys over at the Times. What kind of Insider information (the numbers he is quoting above he got from league sources, not the Skins) has Jasno provided us lately? Most of the Insider information I have read lately has come from bloggers on this post that have been read at other sites. Jasno has no access to what is happening at Redskins Park, so is taking aim at the FO in a most negative fashion.

Either provide us with good info- who are we looking at in the draft, who is coming for a visit, what players did we look at during their pro days, how are our current players rehab coming along, their take on the new coaching staff, playbook, etc,. Not the constant bash of the Skins.

Can we get some positive RI info, PLEASE!!!

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 4, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Frankly, this team hasn't done much to earn its way out of that typical dread we've become accustomed to feeling at the beginning of each season - the lingering notion that despite the promising look of things each season, the glorious changes that are made, the new shiny baubles we've picked up, that we're standing in the Elevator to Heck, waiting for it to go straight down

Can you describe the "shiny baubles" they've traded for or signed in the past 2 years?

While they deserve the scorn for the manner in which they conducted themselves, they also deserve to get credit for the past 2 seasons.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 4, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

If your going to post irrelevant numbers why don't you post the teams earnings in that same time span

Posted by: cilp33 | April 4, 2008 09:37 AM

Yes, this is PRECISELY the point ... which group of hyper-optimists (ready to be "re-set" by shuffling around some deck chairs) has been paying for these most expensive wins in the league?

[I didn't say anything about it at the time, because it wasn't like it was going to make a difference, but when they canned Gregg, I kind of was hoping they'd bring in Mariucci. With the attention span of hamsters up here, however, even those who blogged incessantly during that hiring search seem to have forgotten about that ... instead choosing to burn barn on Jasno b/c the Skins' inaction and inactivity has somehow morphed into a a strategy for success. Jerseys for sale!]

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

"I'm not quite willing to equate inaction with tremendous improvement ... just avoidance of tremendous failure"

However you need to spin it to make your point seem valid.

Had they jumped into the Free Agency pool, you'd spin it as same old Snyder.

Enjoy the fence.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 4, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

This blog is not a place for Jasno's opinion he is a beat reporter, he is supposed to report inside information on the team.

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 4, 2008 11:08 AM

Although we're usually on the same page, I think that this is the perfect place for opinion's, whomever's they may be. Articles are for the facts, blogs are for discussion. Although JLC's opinions are decidedly anti-Redskin, he does generate discussion.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 4, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I am curious....what exactly is Jasno's "agenda"? Sometrhing like this?
Today's Agenda:
1. Buy groceries
2. Tacke kids to day care
3. Destroy Redskins organization.
MUUUUWHUUUUHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 4, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Let me also add onto Gregs point and say that it hasn't necessarily been "inaction". They did make some super smart FA signings last off season (see Smoot, Fred and Fletcher, London) as well as some good draft picks. That isn't inactivity, that is smart activity.

Similarly, you can't say that they were inactive this off season because this off season isn't over yet. Give it a few months, see how the season plays out, and then go back and grade this off season. But, please don't label it as inactivity before the activity has had every chance to take place.

Posted by: -swb | April 4, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

On the PhD statistician, I think someone subsequently pointed to the fact that Skins have paid more per win than anyone, so I'd like to hear the statistical flipside of that spin.

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2008 11:10 AM

The statistical flipside is that they're doing the right thing -- spending money to build a team -- and they're doing more of it than anyone else.

The whole thing that's missing in this type of analysis is a counter-factual. What would have happened if.... If they hadn't spent so much money? If they didn't have so much dead cap? If Snyder hadn't turned control over to Marty and then to Gibbs? Etc.

This was a misguided and floundering franchise when Snyder took it over. If it had been owned by that Cook-son prig, it wouldn't have had any playoff appearances and would be the doormat of the NFC East.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 4, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Greg. Would love to hear about our current injury problems and I would love to get some updates on the draft and who we are looking at. As for the cap real surprise the redskins spend a lot and waste a lot is anyone really shocked.

By the way PSPS23 is a chugger!

Posted by: beas13 | April 4, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

If not injuries, then how about Heyer, give us an update on him?? Is he around the park, has he been working with Buges?
What about what Clinton, and Ladell have to say about Stump Mitchell?? I mean there just seems to be a LOT of things that could have been talked about.

And Jason is my boy, he and I are both huge Bosox fans, so I'm not a hater, just disagree with his posts the past 24 hours.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 4, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

My other thought about anti-Jasno rants generally is that (1) Skins' fans STILL get more information about their team than most teams in the league (though I recognize that is due in part to having two major papers, the team site, and several solid team blogs like hogshaven and Tandler, etc.) and (2) regardless of Jasno's take on thing, this blog STILL delivers information ALMOST as soon as it becomes available b/c of the bloggers below the thread. Though his name and photo are at the top, to me he is one among many people from whom I get my Skins info and analysis (aka opinions). Plus, the RI blog is like few other in the depthy cross-chatter btwn and among posters.

Bottom line: Jasno does give us something to talk about (even when the something is his opinion itself). What else are you going to do? Work?

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line: Jasno does give us something to talk about (even when the something is his opinion itself). What else are you going to do? Work?

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2008 11:44 AM

Well said.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 4, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I also agree about the interest in news from the locker room ... but I'm less interested in hearing about injuries, how much some dudes are able to bench, etc. ... I'd like to hear whether Rabach at least is practicing squatting higher, such as ...

[Really, the stuff I want to hear about this time of year is the kind of stuff that Steinberg blogs about]

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

These are classic JLaC posts, when he bags on Snyder on Vinny.

Half the blog is ok with it, and the other half is ready to cut off his head. I use to be the later category. But, that's what he does. He hasn't changed and won't change. Atleast he holds no cut cards.

Could've, woould've, but didn't. Now, lets move on to the draft.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 4, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 4, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Did Rabach go to Ball State?

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 4, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Redskins set to Visit with a third CB.
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George Lafoon
WarpathInsiders.com Apr 4, 2008

I think it is safe to say, the Redskins are seriously interested in drafting a CB in this draft. This will be the third CB that has been reported as visiting with the Redskins over the past few weeks.

The latest CB on the schedule to visit with the Washington Redskins is CB Brandon Flowers from Virginia Tech.

Jon Scott from PatriotsInsider.com has confirmed for me, that according to his agent, he has a visit scheduled with the Redskins on Monday, April 7th.

After visiting with the Redskins, he will be headed to Tampa Bay and then San Diego. He has also worked out for the Patriots and has interest from over six teams.

Scout.com has Flowers ranked as the 16th best CB in this draft and could go as early as the second round. At 5'10" and 190 pounds, he is a tad on the small side. However, he plays bigger than his size and likes to be physical.

Brandon Flowers could be a nice option for the Redskins who need depth at CB desperately.


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Story URL: http://was.scout.com/2/743469.html


Posted by: 4thFloor | April 4, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

This is the kind of interesting read I would like to see from Jasno:

http://mvn.com/nfl-redskins/2008/04/03/chris-henry-and-the-redskins/

Don't get your underpants in a bunch. This is not going to be a "Chris Henry is available so the Redskins should grab him" post.

The Cincinnati Bengals released Henry today after he turned himself in to face misdemeanor assault charges. Henry is still under NFL suspension. Unless this turns out to be a false accusation, as happened once before with Henry, he is unlikely to escape suspension in 2008.

The Washington Redskins tend to avoid players with issues. So don't look for him at Redskins Park anytime soon.

But, the development does impact Washington Redskins executive VP Vinny Cerrato's plans because it has a huge impact on the Bengals. For one thing, it makes it much less likely that Cincinnati will consider a trade for Chad Johnson. They are too thin at the position now that Henry is gone. Their need for wide-outs is more desperate than the Redskins, so they will compete harder for any warm body who can catch 30 balls or more this season. The cap hit to sign a wide-out will go up.

Cerrato has already said he doesn't think there is a top receiver prospect in the first 20 picks of the draft. I suspect the Skins are going to use their first two picks on linemen anyway [defense & offense]. But, if Washington has a receiver on the draft board targeted for the third round, they should be very concerned about what the Bengals might do.

Cincinnati has the ninth pick in the draft, twelve slots ahead of the Redskins in each round. Washington doesn't have a fourth round pick -- traded to the Jets for OG Pete Kendall. Cerrato might consider trading up for the Bengals' ninth pick/third round slot to assure snagging the guy he wants.

That's all speculative. That's also why you have a GM, to think through those scenarios.

It's the game between the seasons and it's fun!

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 4, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Redskins set to Visit with Another CB.
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Ed Thompson
WarpathInsiders.com Apr 4, 2008

The Redskins have a visit scheduled with another rookie CB. Find out all the details here.


Indiana University cornerback Tracy Porter had two private workouts and two official visits during the month of March, but he has an even busier April on tap.

On March 17th and 18, Porter worked out at Indiana University for the Chiefs and the Patriots. Then on the 27th, he flew south to one of New England's division rivals and had his first official NFL visit with the Miami Dolphins on the 28th. He wrapped up the month by flying to Tampa Bay on the 30th to visit with Jon Gruden and his staff on the 31st.

On April 8 and 9, Porter will check out opportunities with the Pittsburgh Steelers before heading out to visit with the Washington Redskins the evening of the 9th and during the day on the 10th.

But it will be the week of the 14th that will really test Porter's fortitude. He'll spend the 14th and 15th in New Orleans with the Saints, the 16th and 17th in Dallas, and will finish up on the 17th and 18th with a visit to the New York Jets.

In addition to his physical style of coverage that helped him steal away six interceptions in 2007 and 16 during his college career, Porter can provide additional value to an NFL team as an accomplished punt returner. He averaged 13.6 yards per return while handling punts during his junior and senior year, aided by the 4.37-second 40-time speed that he showed off at the NFL Combine.

Despite the deep talent at the cornerback position this year, Porter is expected to be selected in the first two rounds -- and is drawing the level of attention from clubs reflective of that status. You can learn more about him in this exclusive Scout.com interview that was conducted during the Under Armour Senior Bowl week.

Story URL: http://was.scout.com/2/743435.html


Posted by: 4thFloor | April 4, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

If not injuries, then how about Heyer, give us an update on him?? Is he around the park, has he been working with Buges?
What about what Clinton, and Ladell have to say about Stump Mitchell?? I mean there just seems to be a LOT of things that could have been talked about.

And Jason is my boy, he and I are both huge Bosox fans, so I'm not a hater, just disagree with his posts the past 24 hours.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 4, 2008 11:39 AM


Rabach and Khary campbell mentioned him on Redskins radio the other day (Heyer). Said they thought he looked pretty good but downplayed that by saying it was hard to tell.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 4, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Did Rabach go to Ball State?--SMACK

No, but hopefully he can be our Winged Eunuchorn.

Posted by: 4-12 | April 4, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 4, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

http://realredskins.com/2008/04/03/news--notes-skins-get-three-extra-picks.aspx

"News: Quarterback Chad Henne of Michigan came in for a pre-draft visit.

Notes: It's hard to read why teams bring in particular players for these visits. You have a limited number of them--32--and you don't want to waste them. Henne is pegged as about a third-round selection and that seems kind of high to take a project quarterback and make him your third-string guy. But maybe the Skins don't want to wait until the sixth or seventh round to take a QB. Whoever it is will have to be ready for the possibility of having to play on any given (disastrous) Sunday and, in any case, will have to be ready to be the backup in a year or two as Todd Collins isn't going to spend much longer than that as a backup. Maybe they're thinking of using that comp third on their backup quarterback of the future."

How does everyone feel about potentially drafting a QB in the 3rd round? Naturally, Zorn wants to bring in his own Quarterback, one who he feels would be good in his offense.

Im a bit confussed by this. The 3rd round is too low to take someone you think could be a starter (assuming Zorn had no confidence in JC). Its also to high to take someone you want to be your #3QB now and #2 in a couple years... atleast for a team with many more pressing needs.

So, what does everyone make of this? We have 9 picks in this months draft. We can only bring in 32 guys for a visit and we chose this guy to be one of them. Why?

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 4, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I understand what you are saying Jason but it seems like no matter what they would have done this off-season there could be a way of looking at it negatively. If they spent like usual on free agents then we'd be overspending. It's not possible to cut some of the players we've renegotiated without adversely affecting the cap so at least we're keeping some continuity. Have you ever though about the possibility of them having a longer term plan where this year they cut back on free agent spending and rely on the draft then maybe next season they extend a few contracts of some younger, up and coming players?

They have to get back to reality somehow and it obviously can't be done in one season. I like the direction they are going in. With a new coach it's the perfect time to do it.


Posted by: vlad21311 | April 4, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Seth - That's old news buddy......

'Redskins will visit a work out of Chad Henne, according to my sources.....

OWNED

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 3, 2008 02:06 PM
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Posted by: 4thFloor | April 4, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 4, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

it might be 22hour old news, but i didnt see it posted here. Alteast not the text of the article. Maybe if you just posted links without actual text like the SI one above, it may have gone unnoticed.

OWNED.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 4, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

We have 9 picks in this months draft. We can only bring in 32 guys for a visit and we chose this guy to be one of them. Why?

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 4, 2008 12:22 PM

This makes a lot of sense to me. I see the first and second rounds as delivering starters, the third and fourth as backups, and the last three as projects/crapshoots.

We only have two years of Collins as a backup, and that's about how long it will take to develop his replacement -- if we're lucky. If you pick someone later than the 4th round, you're really gambling and then you'll be desparate next year. Could be a good move if this guy fits well with Zorn.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 4, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Oh, here is the text from 4ths SI Article Note the comment in the first paragraph from someone who is undoubtably Zorns old boss:

• One longtime NFL head coach who happens to have a background in the West Coast Offense expressed some doubts recently about Washington quarterback Jason Campbell's transition to the version of that offense that Zorn brings to the Redskins. In the longtime coach's words, things could "be ugly'' with Campbell trying to play that style of offense.

Zorn, however, does not share in that trepidation. I asked him about Campbell's suitability to that offense, which prioritizes short- and intermediate-range passes, precision timing between a quarterback and his receivers, and getting rid of the ball quickly in three- and five-step drops.



"Let's say a guy can't move very well,'' Zorn said. "You can manage [in the West Coast], but it's not very dynamic. You'd rather have a guy who can actually move. He's got to be able to move in the pocket. He's got to have feet that can get him out of trouble.

"Jason's got excellent feet. I'm getting him to play -- what is he, like 6-5? -- from just a little bit lower position. So he's in a better position to make a sudden move, and not standing so straight up. It's such a process, but I'm absolutely very confident he can play it.''

• Zorn is 55 and still looks like he could play in this league. He's got a little bit of gee-whiz quality to him, but it's endearing and somewhat refreshing. I asked him about his rather unorthodox route to the Redskins job -- from never having been a coordinator in the NFL, to being named Washington's offensive coordinator, and unexpectedly getting promoted to head coach a few weeks later.

"I didn't look at it like it was [fellow candidate Jim Fassel's] job,'' Zorn said. "I didn't really know whose job it was. I didn't have time to think, 'Boy, I'd sure like that job.' I was off and running being the coordinator. I was having at it. It was news to me that all this was going to happen the way it did.''

Someone then noted that Zorn must have been a great offensive coordinator to get promoted before he had even coached a game. "I was great on my first few days,'' he said, laughing. "I was awesome.''

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 4, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Now that is a great offseason post Jason. We've been saying this for years; I've just never seen the actual numbers like this. This new data analysis really makes me scratch my head about where we're going. I hope the new-look skins take us over the hump. I'm cautiously optimistic but in all honesty this is the first time in years that I have no real expectations for the Redskins. I'm just gonna sit back and watch and hope the Skins make me happy to wear my Skins gear around NY.

Posted by: JustinBaker | April 4, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Seth - Read the post. My sources buddy. I don't have a website, so I posted here since I have blog cred.

RECLAIMED

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 4, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Seth - I don't have a problem with them showing interest in Henne. 3rd Qb is a need, albeit not as pressing as other positions. That compensatory 3rd rounder is essentially a 4th round pick. I'd be more concerned if they did something like Philly last year, grabbing a QB in the 2nd round.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 4, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

BONG!

Posted by: bigmurf08 | April 4, 2008 08:56 AM

WAIT FOR IT......WAIT FOR IT.........


HIT!!!!!!


Posted by: leevi98 | April 4, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

4th - i am confused by your failure to use complete sentences. read what post? sources? who said you had a website?

TEABAGGED

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 4, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

It's fun watching many fall into the Jason trap......

He is the beat writer.....this is his blog....he wants to stir it up...so many will talk and debate......

So posting notes about the football issues won't stir anything up...but posting about the same OLD tired subject of Snyder and The redskins over spending etc etc....will get some of you going...as we see....it did....

the past is the past and frankly...COME UP WITH A NEW SUBJECT OR AT LEAST A NEW DEBATE...YAWN!~

Posted by: leevi98 | April 4, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

greg,

Let's say that Merling, Harvey, Albert, Otah and the best two CB's are off of the board by pick 21 and we have no trade partners to trade down with. Who do you take at 21?

I am starting to think that Keith Rivers, OLB, USC would be a solid pick here. What's your take.

Actually, not a question just for greg. Any feedback, anyone?

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 4, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Jason-Absolutely brilliant. Frodo and Gollum are complete cluster...

Cerrato has destroyed my beloved Skins, and Danny boy is an impish little child intent on playing fantasy football rather than winning championships. I am not sure we will ever have another championship whilst Danny is at the helm.

Posted by: zap123 | April 4, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Talent_evaluator

Yes, I admit to being a dour pessimist - it's the engineer in me. Don't mistake me for the know-it-all curmudgeon, though. If I had the answers, I'd be a GM somewhere, and not what I'm doing these days. I was just reinforcing the point that I haven't found a reason why I shouldn't be skeptastic about the Skins under the Snydicate.

kmdp4

I guess I'm focusing more on the common thread than the incidentals. Yes, it might have been the coaching staff at play, rather than the Syndicate that fouled the works up. Sadly, I have no actual windows into the inner workings of the Redskins, so I can neither confirm nor deny what the truth is. And we probably never will. I just wonder how it is that the Skins have had so many difficulties the last few years, and the main point of commonality is the Snydicate.

And as to Jasno posting his opinion on here, rather than the news: the news, substantiated and reaffirmed, is what he's putting in the print section of the sports page. This blog is for his opinion, my opinion, your opinion, and everyone's opinion. If he's going to fly his flag, I'd prefer it'd be on here. This is the JibbaJabba Jungle - most anything flies.

Posted by: FlimFlam | April 4, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Kerzon,

I go Balmer DT North Carolina.

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 4, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

COME UP WITH A NEW SUBJECT OR AT LEAST A NEW DEBATE...YAWN!~

Posted by: leevi98 | April 4, 2008 01:02 PM

leevi,

Good point! Who should be starter, Sonny or Billy? Should we trade Betts? Did the 'Skins make a mistake when Ryan Clark walked? Oh, and should we have cut Holdman? I thought that was the beginning of the end. Or the middle of the end. And don't you think we should have promoted Gregg Williams to head coach?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 4, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

vinny has been defacto GM for less than 6 months and already JLC is busting out the ZOMG VINNY HATE PIECE.

vinny has 0 years experience as a GM,yet JLC is holding him accountable for all the teams FA and draft moves in the past.revolving door of coaches check,at the time meddlesome owner check...

now vinny is the GM and JLC actually sees fit to post all these numbers and hold the current FO accountable for them?LAWL

totally fair and non-biased jouralism...right...

the power structure of the FO has shifted and now vinny is the top dog,and now vinny will be rewarded or punished given the teams performance. in the old structure you had the HC at the top with snyder a little bit lower than him,but still getting some of his impulse buys, and vinny was literally a talent consultant. the HC might go to vinny and ask him to find a scat back in FA and vinny would say "here's a list of who's available and what I think."


now when a coach asks vinny for a list of scat backs vinny says "STFU, you'll get what I give you."

vinny is shopping for the groceries now.and he to will have to deal with the impulsive nature of snyder. Wilbon says Vinnny opposed the B-Lloyd and Arch Deluxe acquisitions but Gibbs saw fit to approve...

Posted by: jarc184 | April 4, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

If you think Cerrato will lead this team anywhere; take a good, long, hard look...

www.paulgoespop.typepad.com

Posted by: paul.bortnick | April 4, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Kenny Wright - Can't cover a wideout. Can't evade the cops.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/04/03/bc.fbn.browns.arrest.ap/index.html

Posted by: cdubb | April 4, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

FYI the NFL Network's "state of the redskins" is up on the main page at NFL.com....currently #3 of 4 in the main window.
I must not watch enough NFL network....that blonde behind the desk with Rod Woodson is suh-MOKIN!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 4, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

kerzon, i'd take rivers in a heartbeat mcintosh is injured and may never be healthy enough to be relied on, washington and fletcher only have a couple years left in them. Rivers is versitile enough to play at any LB position.

However, he will be LONG gone by 21. most mocks ive seem have Rivers as a top 10 pick. I have never seen him fall below 15 in a professional mock. Would be nice though.

Assuming He's gone, i'd go with Balmer as well over C. Campbell. Both would be a reach, but Balmer isn't much of one. And it says alot that i'd suggest Balmer. I live in Raleigh NC, am a die hard NC State fan and HATE unc almost as much as i hate dallas. but if he could help the B&G, i'd forget about his past... as long as he pulls an randel el and says his high school during the intros during the game :-)

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 4, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Let's say that Merling, Harvey, Albert, Otah and the best two CB's are off of the board by pick 21 and we have no trade partners to trade down with. Who do you take at 21?

I am starting to think that Keith Rivers, OLB, USC would be a solid pick here. What's your take


kerz, couple things:

First, I'm quite sure that after his workout on Wednesday, Rivers wont last until 21. If he's there, then yup, he's the guy. But after creating the buzz that he did, I don't think he falls to 21.

I'd have to say that if this happens, then the Redskins might have to turn their attention to Kentwan Balmer, DT, from UNC. He's 6'4, and 308.

The scenario you described above is the WORST POSSIBLE thing that could happen.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 4, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

One good thing about this blog by Jasno is that it's brought posters up here that I've never seen before.

Welcome, new posters. I assume half of you are Jasno's family and half are, like me, on Snyder's payroll. And the other half are here by mistake, looking for the Marc Fisher blog.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 4, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Kerzon,

I'd go with the OT that slides because Albert has been picked in the top 20. My thinking is that if Albert is drafted that high, it is because the team that draftts him is comfortable that he'll be a top notch OT.

Posted by: marlonjohn | April 4, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

but if he could help the B&G, i'd forget about his past..

Seth, whats the 411 on his past?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 4, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Paul,

What the hell kind of web page is that, do you know anything about football, or did you just cut and paste those articles from other places. All that crap is old news about the coaching search, no one knows what is going to happen. Cerrato is in control now so if he is good he will get credit, if he is bad he will get hammered.

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 4, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

On the PhD statistician, I think someone subsequently pointed to the fact that Skins have paid more per win than anyone, so I'd like to hear the statistical flipside of that spin.

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2008 11:10 AM

OK... So why does this factor matter? Should we be the team that spent the fewest per win (I'm guessing Arizona, Philadelphia, and Cincinnati might be on this list)? I would think that the relevant metric of success was superbowls or wins, not "cost efficiency".

Classically, by the way, the same argument goes on in baseball (which is far less restrictive on player spending) all the time. When the Yankees outspend and win, then spending = winning (and therefore their wins shouldn't count). When the Yankees outspend and don't win, then the teams are inefficient.

It's all agenda-driven spin, not moneyball. REAL moneyball is about finding out which statistics matter more than others, and which conventional metrics have little to do with eventual success.

See www.footballoutsiders.com for a nice view of things.

Posted by: IndependenceEveWonderlandBallroom | April 4, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

What, your hatred of the Redskins isn't enough, Jason? Now you have to broadcast your hatred of the President of the United States, too? Maybe you should go back to Russia!

Seriously, though, solid reporting, as usual. We'd love to see you over at the Nationals beat after we lose Barry. It might be tough for you, though, since the team hasn't, as talent evaluator pointed out, ever been to a Super Bowl.

(Really, how do you put up with this nonsense?)

Posted by: JohninMpls | April 4, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

km- thanks, just finished reading up on Balmer. Looks like he would also be a solid pick.

My thoughts were similar to SETH on this, and why I was thinking of LB at 21. Especially since I think we can still get some more playing time from Daniels at DT after this year.

greg,I would hate to think that we would be in the senario I mentioned but you never know.

marlonjohn, would you think that Otah would be the one that falls to 21? Could handle us going for him.

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 4, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Name: Kentwan Balmer
College: North Carolina Number: 90
Height: 6-5 Weight: 308
Position: DT Pos2: DE
Class/Draft Year: Sr/2008
40 Time: 5.29 40 Low: 5.16 40 High: 5.34
Projected Round: 1-2 Stock:
Rated number 3 out of 149 DT's 29 / 2540 TOTAL

Combine Results Pro Day Results
Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 6044
Weight: 308
40 Yrd Dash: 5.29
20 Yrd Dash: 3.04
10 Yrd Dash: 1.71 225 Lb. Bench Reps: 33
Vertical Jump: 29
Broad Jump: 08'07"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.82
3-Cone Drill: 7.65


Dates: 03/04/08 04/01/08
Height: 6044
Weight: 308
40 Yrd Dash:
20 Yrd Dash:
10 Yrd Dash: 225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump:
Broad Jump:
20 Yrd Shuttle:
3-Cone Drill:


Before Combine: Hgt: 6044, Wgt: 308, 40YD: 4.96-5.12-5.24

Draft Scout Snapshot:
2007: Started all twelve games at right defensive tackle, ranking second on the team with 59 tackles (33 solos), including 3.5 sacks for minus 26 yards, 9.5 stops for losses of 44 yards and four quarterback pressures...Held the opposition to 1.69 yards on the 55 running plays he made...Registered eight third-down tackles and three more on fourth down...Took down opposing ball carriers for no gain at the line of scrimmage on seven snaps...Produced eight of his tackles inside the red zone, including two on goal-line action. 10 GP; 8 GS; 16 TT, 2.5 TFL, 2.5 SK, 2 PBU, 1 QBH, 2 BLK in '06. 11 GP; 3 GS; 17 TT, 5 TFL, 1 SK, 1 PBU, 5 QBH in '05. 9 GP; 0 GS; 1 TT in '04.

Draft Scout Kentwan Balmer News
04/02/08 - After almost a month of anticipation and with just a few weeks until April 26's NFL draft, former UNC standouts Durrell Mapp and Kentwan Balmer worked out for scouts Tuesday in the Eddie Smith Field House. Balmer and Mapp both chose to forego Pro Timing Day on March 4 to take time and rest hamstring injuries after participating in the NFL Scouting Combine toward the end of February. "They want to test flexibility and change of direction - things like that," Balmer said. "They want to see every aspect of your play." Carolina Panthers defensive line coach Sal Sunseri ran the players through an intense gamut of drills, rarely offering rest. He provided a glimpse of life in the NFL with a gruff demeanor, lacking sympathy for the players who couldn't keep the pace. "They try to test you to see how mentally tough you are and see if you'll give up," said Taylor, who - along with Guy - only participated in the position drills. Through these drills Balmer proved why most experts project him as a first-round pick. His preparation was evident from just a glance. "A lot of people said they've seen a change in my body," said a leaner Balmer. "I'm starting to change my diet because that plays a big role in the NFL." His extra effort was visible in agility drills, where he moved with good quickness and burst. Perhaps most importantly, Balmer showed superior hand speed - a must for defensive tackles in the NFL. The only negative in his performance came during his second attempt at the 40, when he pulled up short, citing the nagging hamstring.

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 4, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

haha greg,

when i mentioned his past, i was only referring to the fact that he played for UNC. For me, the only thing worse than a UNC player wearing the redskins uniform would be a beloved player from NC State getting drafted by the Cowgirls!

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 4, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

but if he could help the B&G, i'd forget about his past..

Seth, whats the 411 on his past?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 4, 2008 01:36 PM
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greg, I think he was talking about Balmer being from NC - SETH being an NCState fan.

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 4, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Im a bit confussed by this. The 3rd round is too low to take someone you think could be a starter ...

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 4, 2008 12:22 PM

This is a fairly deep draft for QBs and there are plenty of starters around the league who were drafted in the 3rd round or later.

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

What, your hatred of the Redskins isn't enough, Jason? Now you have to broadcast your hatred of the President of the United States, too? Maybe you should go back to Russia!

(Really, how do you put up with this nonsense?)

Posted by: JohninMpls | April 4, 2008 01:44 PM

He doesn't put up with the nonsense, dude, he writes it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 4, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

km, thanks for the info on Balmer, if everyone else is gone, I think you have to look in his direction. He's got good size, and seems to have good quicks, and strength. I'd have no problem with him. He seems like 21 would be a good spot for him to go...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 4, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

For only positive Redskins info 24/7, please proceed to: www.redskins.com.

Posted by: tafka | April 4, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Golly, I sure would love for the Redskins to win a Super Bowl.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 4, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

IndependenceEveWonderlandBallroom, the reason costs per win makes a difference is b/c the rabid fans of this team also are the consumers who pay so much money for these wins. [Though I guess I see your point ... the relevant statistic would be costs per game ... oops ... the Skins are right up there too.]

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I want to hear more about us trading for Chad Johnson and Pac-Man.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 4, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Seth/Kerz, haha, thanks.

I'm really a simpleton.....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 4, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

We haven't broached the topic of extremely large LOOKING draft prospects since the discussion of this photo of LaRon Landry.

http://curlyr.blogspot.com/2007/07/welcome-laron.html

But there was a story about USC's Pro Day that has pictures. There top-rated guy is a defensive tackle named Sedrick Ellis. You have to go to picture #19, but to this scrawny blogger, this guy seems just massive:

http://usc.rivals.com/photofeature.asp?SID=995&fid=22319

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

My bad. Picture #14.

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

IndependenceEveWonderlandBallroom, the reason costs per win makes a difference is b/c the rabid fans of this team also are the consumers who pay so much money for these wins.

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2008 02:00 PM

Well, sween, if this is what matters then you shouldn't look at the team's costs but at the price of tickets. How much have you, personally, spent per win?

I would think, regardless of that number, that you would be heartened that the 'Skins are paying the most, per win. This says that they're making less profits, passing on the money to the players. What would you really want, a team that payed the least per win?

I think, as blogger-whose-name-I-can't-write, pointed out is that you as a fan want more wins. The cost per win is really irrelevant, except to the owner of the team.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 4, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

So, what does everyone make of this? We have 9 picks in this months draft. We can only bring in 32 guys for a visit and we chose this guy to be one of them. Why?

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 4, 2008 12:22 PM

Sometimes a team uses those picks to take a close look at a player they are really interested in. Sometimes a team uses those picks to take a close look at a player that they want another team to think they are interested in. And sometimes, the most interesting players don't get visits at all. A very big part of draft strategy is getting the players you really want by deceiving other teams about your intentions during pre-draft maneuverings.

Posted by: tafka | April 4, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

dcsween,

even 1st round QBs rarely start their first year and many don't even start in their 2nd. To expect a 3rd round QB to come in and start (especially when are supposedly confident in ramsey) is unreasonable. If we wanted a starting QB, i think we would draft him sooner than the 3rd, don't you?

On the flip side, this team has alot of needs and using a 3rd rounder on a guy who you allegedly expect to sit behind Campbell and Collins for 2-3 years seems rather foolish. I find it hard to justify not taking an OL, DL, WR, and CB with our 1st 4 picks. Those are positions where we need to draft players who we can reasonably expect to see action, if not start, this year.

I didn't want to say it before (so as not to start another controversy), but the only rational i can see that would justify using our third rounder on Hanne (doubt he is there by the time we use our Comp Pick)would be if Zorn was not sold on Campbell and looking to draft a QB to replace Campbell in 2-3 years.

Another possibility would be that we felt confident in our ability to trade down out of the 1st round and pick up a high 2nd and 3rd. The extra picks would make me feel a little more comfortable drafting a 3rd-string QB so high.


Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 4, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

If I see one more post about Ryan Clarke and whether we should have gotten rid of him, I'm gonna friggin' puke!!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 4, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

oops - i realize i just said ramsey when referring to campbell in my previous post.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 4, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

rickyroge,

I take it from your post that you're one of those who are glad he's gone? Can you please explain why?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 4, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Stop the presses! It's a negative article about Snyder/Cerrato from the Redskins' Washington Post mouthpiece! This is like Pravda denouncing Stalin in 1954.

Nice work pointing out the obvious, La Canfora. About time.

Posted by: Dellis2 | April 4, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Stop the presses! It's a negative article about Snyder/Cerrato from the Redskins' Washington Post mouthpiece! This is like Pravda denouncing Stalin in 1954.

Posted by: Dellis2 | April 4, 2008 02:22 PM

No, it's more like an editorial in the New York Times endorsing a Democratic candidate in an election. Same-old, same-old.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 4, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody know why Chad "baby" Johnson wants out of Cincy. The only thing I read is that he feels not wanted.

Fhim

I'm glad cincy cut wr Cris Henry. No way is Johnson getting traded now.

Posted by: jhess18 | April 4, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

JLC,

Once the skins draft a de in the draft. Daniels will be a back up. Daniels contract expires after the season. With the new DE, MOntgomery, Golston, Wilson, Carter, Griffin. The Dline overall is YOUNG.

Posted by: jhess18 | April 4, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Griffin is pretty old for a DT, jhess. He will be 32 later this year. His future status will probably be determined by his ability to stay healthy enough to be on the field.

Posted by: tafka | April 4, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

For only positive Redskins info 24/7, please proceed to: www.redskins.com.

Posted by: tafka | April 4, 2008 01:58 PM

I don't think that we want positive Redskins info 24/7, but it would be nice if this Insider blog actually gave Insider info on the Skins. It just seems to me that Jasno does not have access to the Redskins park so he comes up with crap like todays thread.

I know he could do much better...

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 4, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Mkay,

Jason, a reporter, is writing critical things. Check!

The numbers he presents are official numbers that essentially speak for themselves. Check!

Why so many whiny comments from fans? This confirms my worst fears about the FO. Should I beat up Jasno for reporting facts? Should I beg him to spin me because I love the Redskins?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 4, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

How about the top 5 teams in dead cap space since 2000?

1 Redskins $83 million
2 San Fran $80 million

The common link? CERRATO.

But more important, why so much coverage of this mediocre team when we have the CAPS? A superb team with the best and most exciting player in the world is in a fight to clinch a playoff berth after a horrendous start, and the Washington Post spends most of its resources covering one of the worst teams in its league. God Bless.

Posted by: Barneybarnabas | April 4, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

tafka,

I said overall. Every player on the team can't be 24 yrs old. After the draft the Dline will have a good mix. Overall it will be a younger unit.

Posted by: jhess18 | April 4, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

To expect a 3rd round QB to come in and start (especially when are supposedly confident in ramsey) is unreasonable. If we wanted a starting QB, i think we would draft him sooner than the 3rd, don't you?

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 4, 2008 02:13 PM

That wasn't my point. I don't think its ever reasonable to expect a rookie to start (exception for Vince Young). Your point was about a drafting a QB who could be a starter (as opposed to a career backup) ... or, at least, that's what I took your point to be.

Of the starters drafted in the 3rd round or later in the past decade, I count: Brodie Croyle, Gradkowski (for a few games anyway), Derek Anderson (6th round), Schaub, Simms (pre-spleenectomy), David Garrard, and Bulger & Brady & Matt Hasselbeck (all 6th round).

And I get the sense that there are going to be plenty of QBs drafted this year ... Ryan, Brohm, Henne, Flacco, Brennan, Booty, Woodsen (and some other guys). I read somewhere that the Skins also were interested in Erik Ainge.

In addition to bringing in guys who they might want to draft, as well as guys they want people to think they might draft, they also bring in guys who are just good ... b/c eventually their rookie contracts run out and its never too late to make a good first impression.

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

But more important, why so much coverage of this mediocre team when we have the CAPS?

Posted by: Barneybarnabas | April 4, 2008 02:45 PM

The Caps coverage is down the hall. Bye.

Posted by: tafka | April 4, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Since 2000, the first year Snyder really had control of the team (he took over in the summer of 1999, with the off season over and the roster largely ser), the Redskins have been the most inefficient team in the NFL, regardless of the coach, starting quarterback, or anything else.

Thats a fact stump?? Really?? Arizona called, and they want to dispute this. Buffalo is on hold.

Don't confuse facts, with what you WANT to be true.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 4, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

the skins haven't been a consistent winner, period. why does everyone take j-la's work personally? even if the skins were perennial contenders i think it would be important for critical reporting. the skins just haven't been very good, thats all there is to it. and don't tell me that 2 playoff appearances means you're good, please.

Posted by: dadanimal | April 4, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

My earlier predictions on defensive line were - Daniels gone in 2008 and Griffin gone in 2009. Carter will probably be gone by 2010. How that shakes out has a lot to do with successful drafts in 2008 and 2009. (Which means being able to draft the right players when they are available - you don't get Top 10 picks every year.) The defensive line has to be turned over constantly because older tired legs don't create a pass rush. Ideally, the best defensive linemen should be drafted and then allowed to leave in free agency 5 years later, with exceptions/extensions made only for superstars.

Posted by: tafka | April 4, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I don't think that we want positive Redskins info 24/7, but it would be nice if this Insider blog actually gave Insider info on the Skins. ...

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 4, 2008 02:42 PM

Agreed. Reading Insider info beats the crap out of reading cut-and-paste mock draft site info about draft prospects.

Also, tafka, I think Carter's contract was a six year deal, so that puts him out to about 2012 (someone check my facts and my math on that ... thx).

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Redskins will visit a work out of Chad Henne, according to my sources.....

OWNED

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 3, 2008 02:06 PM

Seth - This was my original posts. Read very carefully. If you don't understand, then I feel sorry for you. You don't need a website to have sources or to be the 1st to report.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 4, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Just checked Carter's latest salary cap numbers, and most of his big money has been pushed out to 2011 and 2012 due to restructuring. Either he will still be a big contributor to the team at age 34 or the Redskins will have some serious dead cap money to get rid of him after 2010 ($9 million).

Posted by: tafka | April 4, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

On the topic of insider injury updates, can we PLEASE get an update on the status of Cindy's thumb!?!?!?

http://www.joycesfinecooking.com/Beef/sweet_hot_sour_tennessee_meatballs.htm

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Based on her seeming no-show status today, it appears that Cindy's thumb took the day off.

Posted by: tafka | April 4, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I also found some nice instructional material on how to use a cross-walk.

http://www.etaoin-shrd.lu/images/bt.gif

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

By some strange coincidence, Dorf's thumb is also AWOL today.

Posted by: tafka | April 4, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

From that crosswalk sign web site, are we thinking that .lu is Luxembourg or Lithuania?

Posted by: tafka | April 4, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Who was it who said they wanted to sign this guy?

Associated Press
Updated: April 4, 2008, 2:59 PM ET

CINCINNATI -- Former Cincinnati Bengals receiver Chris Henry spent an extra night in jail because no one was available to fit him with a court-ordered electronic monitoring device to report his location while under house arrest.

Posted by: tafka | April 4, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Mkay,

Jason, a reporter, is writing critical things. Check!

The numbers he presents are official numbers that essentially speak for themselves. Check!

Why so many whiny comments from fans? This confirms my worst fears about the FO. Should I beat up Jasno for reporting facts? Should I beg him to spin me because I love the Redskins?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 4, 2008 02:43 PM

This is what I like to call meta-whining, whining about whining. Just a special skill I have.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 4, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I was and am..........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 4, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I don't think anyone said they wanted to sign Henry, much less that electronic monitoring cuff fitter from Cincy. [Also, I think .lu is Luxembourg.]

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

You're not whining about whining, are you? I just hate it when people whine about whining ... wa wa wa.

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

FIRE CERATTO!

IMPEACH SNYDER!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 4, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I believe Impeachment only is allowed when dealing with an elected position as opposed to someone who owns something. By your logic we could "impeach" you as owner of your car and take it. That is piracy rather than impeachment.

Posted by: sams3 | April 4, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

That is piracy rather than impeachment.

Posted by: sams3 | April 4, 2008 03:35 PM

Could we make them walk the plank then?

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 4, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

aye

Posted by: sams3 | April 4, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

NFL | D. Moore confident he can contribute
Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:30:04 -0700

J. Michael Moore, of AtlantaFalcons.com, reports University of Maryland DL Dre Moore feels he can contribute right away in the NFL, especially in the run game. "It takes a hard-nosed toughness, because basically stopping the run is beating the repeated double teams," Moore said. "You have to welcome the double teams and not shy away."

Posted by: skinfanman | April 4, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Redskins | Team to work out J. Ayers Friday
Fri, 4 Apr 2008 08:08:00 -0700

KFFL has learned that the Washington Redskins will work out Boston College P Johnny Ayers Friday, April 4.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 4, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Cowboys | Team observes L. Jackson take part in linebacker drills
Thu, 3 Apr 2008 19:20:24 -0700

J.J. Pesavento, of Next Level Scouting, reports the Dallas Cowboys observed Southern California DL Lawrence Jackson take part in linebacker position drills at his Pro Day.

~~I'm thinking the Boys might look a L Jackson as another Andre Ware type.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 4, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator:

I really have no feelings positive or negative about Ryan Clarke. It's just ridiculous that some make this guy out to be Ronnie Lott. Some acted as if he was Sean Taylor's probation officer and his absence is the reason why the Redskins "D" tanked in 06'.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 4, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Wednesday. The Washington Times publish's an interview with Dan Snyder.

Thursday. J-La, tears the owner a new one, on RI.

Seems to me like this was the Posts way of getting back at Dan for not giving them the exclusive.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 4, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

WOOOO HOOOOO! Finally! A punter!

[You may think I am mocking this, but I am quite serious.]

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

~~I'm thinking the Boys might look a L Jackson as another Andre Ware type.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 4, 2008 03:44 PM

I'm OK with that ... they SHOULD replace Romo ... now if they were to start using him like DeMarcus Ware, that wouldn't be so good for us.

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins looking at a punter should be a strong indicator that they have no idea what to do with that very late 7th round compensatory pick.

Posted by: tafka | April 4, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

And of the punters identified anywhere, this Ayers fella didn't show very often (though I found him on waltersfootballsite.com). Local kid ... from Oakton, VA:

http://bceagles.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/ayers_johnny00.html

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm OK with that ... they SHOULD replace Romo ... now if they were to start using him like DeMarcus Ware, that wouldn't be so good for us.

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2008 03:49 PM

LMAO!!!

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 4, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

A little late to the party, but let me throw in my dead cap thoughts.

I always realized the lack of cap space resulted in situations that were made worse. Lloyd should never have a been a Redskin last year, but the lack of cap room meant we had to keep him on the roster.

Contrast that with Dallas, with Vanderchoke. Dallas had paid him a lot of $$, but Parcells saw he was no longer able, he cut him and brought in someone else (Suisham, ironically enough). Dallas could get rid of an underachiever because they had cap space. The Skins had to keep a cancer around for 2 years because the didn't have the cap space.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 4, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins looking at a punter should be a strong indicator that they have no idea what to do with that very late 7th round compensatory pick.

Posted by: tafka | April 4, 2008 03:53 PM

That sounds like a perfect spot to draft a punter. Certainly better than some star QB's little brother not named Manning.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 4, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Where's Pat Sims DT Auburn projected to go? I've read his bio on nfl.com and he sounds like a guy with a lot of potential. A DT who can collapse the pocket. I'd love to see the skins get a guy like him in the 2nd.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 4, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Lack of cap space is, in business terms, a management constraint. It led to a number of poor decisions.

That said, the Skins have been hit and miss on their signings. Gibbs made some poor moves when he took over. Overpaying for both Brunell and Portis (both in trade value and in $$). I think he got better as he regained his understanding of the game.

Still, Jansen got a 5 year $25million deal, which seemed out of line for a guy his age. It is that type of cap hit that squeezes mgmt year after year.

The good news is that 2008 might be the year that the Skins clear out much of this dead space. It is needed.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 4, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins looking at a punter should be a strong indicator that they have no idea what to do with that very late 7th round compensatory pick.

Posted by: tafka | April 4, 2008 03:53 PM

It could also mean they are sick of Derrick "Longshanks" Frost.

Posted by: sams3 | April 4, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

On my random one person crusade to draft a punter, I started thinking about it more. Of the guys mentioned as the "top five" punters, none of them has an high school QB experience ... which might come in handy for a punter. This Johnny Ayers guy from Boston did however. As did this punter from Colorado, Jimmy Kaylor: http://csurams.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/kaylor_jimmie00.html

I couldn't find any other punter prospects that had any QB experience. Maybe these guys just went to smaller high schools, or MAYBE they could be CLUTCH holder/QBs on the fake point-after-kick!

How about THAT for excitement! YEAH! Alive with pleasure! [insert other Howard Dean-in-Iowa-like expressions of too much enthusiam]


Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

BWWAHAHAWAHAH

Posted by: sams3 | April 4, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line, the gist of JLa's analysis is correct. The Skins have spent a lot, but gotten a modest return. Where to apportion blame? That is less clear. If the same guy wanted Fletcher, Landry and Alexander, but didn't want Archuleta or Lloyd, well then thats your personnel guy. But I have a feeling its a lot muddier than that.

The best thing Joe Gibbs did was to transition the attitude from a 'money first' team to a 'team first' team. We'll see if Zorn can carry that forward.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 4, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

"... The Skins have spent a lot, but gotten a modest return. Where to apportion blame? ... But I have a feeling its a lot muddier than that. ..."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 4, 2008 04:15 PM

I blame the mud.

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Look guys, I don't know about you but I can't let 1998 go. I mean really, what happend in those years will stay with me the rest of my life.

Posted by: sams3 | April 4, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

The key for successful teams is that they attract the guys who want to win. The problem is that unsuccessful teams attract guys who want the money.

The Skins changed that under Gibbs. We'll see if DaVinnity has learned. The first bad sign was when they jettisoned GG. The more modest spending is a good sign. Retaining Blache was a good sign.

Zorn's hire, ironically, embodies a lot of the good and bad qualities of the operation. Its pretty clear that a number of the folks interviewing for the HC job decided not to work for Danny (bad). So Danny's options were limited (also bad). Zorn needed to escape Seattle when Mora said he would not promote him to OC (not good, but Mora's a putz). But Zorn is hungry to prove himself a winner (good). He does strike me as the kind of guy who is more interested in winning than getting every last dime (good). In that regard, Zorn is a fit.

The 2008 Skins need to maintain the course Gibbs left them with. That joining the Skins is less about the $$ and more about the W's. The next year will tell us a lot about DaVinnity mgmt.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 4, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Not that this has anything to do with anything, but I reread an old SI story that was one of my favorites. Check it out when you have some time. Great writing and great imagery.

http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1094430/1/index.htm

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 4, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

zhee zhest, I'm all for optimism, but I started getting edgy around the time they picked Zorn to the be O-coordinator ... the head coach thing ... well, he seems like he can make the best out of a tricky situation, but the needle on my Spurriernoia remains bouncing on the critical zone. Granted, the offseason is the time when we are again undefeated (and much joy and exaltation fills the land), and Zorn WAS the winning QB when he and Spurrier faced off in the Expansion Team Bowl, but the current situation does seem to warrant at least a modest, if not huge, leap of faith. The Skins do play in the NFC East ... its not like we get to play the Raiders, 49ers, and Rams twice a season ... this is grown-up football. There were times I wondered whether St. Joe (during Gibbs 2.0) was going to crack under the pressure (and God was on HIS side). I'm waiting to exhale on the new offense ... and the reason my face is turning blue relates directly to the decisions of the Skins' brain trust, such as.

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

dcsween: It would be better value to pick up a FA punter after the draft to complete with Frost. There should be plenty of rookie punters available... unless the Skins absolutely plan to replace him with a rookie.

I just hate to see wasted draft picks.

Hopefully the Skins use the four 6th and 7th round picks on best-available prospects who could at the very least make the practice squad or the weekly inactive list as third string backups (e.g. OL, S, CB, LB, TE, etc...)

They found one gem (Heyer) and signed a few decent rookie FAs last year: Westbrook, Buzbee, and Hollenbach. History shows good football players are available regardless of draft position. It's just a matter of discovery, conditioning, training, and being lucky enough to get an opportunity to to show the coaches they can play a high level. For instance, Heyer may never of had an opportunity if Samuels, Janson, and Wade weren't injured.

Posted by: siris | April 4, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

siris, seems like (as much as any position), drafted punters (in any round) still seem to be punting in the NFL ... and that the round where reliable punters get picked starts in the 4th.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?position=Punters&type=position

Some of these guys got drafted in higher rounds (Sauerbran was a second rounder?!?! I'll drink to that! Todd, just me. You put down the glass.) and some are out of the league, but if the team got a reliable punter through the draft, then it seems like it could be a position on auto-pilot for years to come. Admittedly, Suisham and Albright would need to swap out a guy they've been working with over the past 2-3 years, but as far as an actual punter, Frost does not seem reliable. When he's on, he's fine. When he has an off punt, it seems like he dwells on it, can let it go, b/c the next 2-3 punts also seem crappy. Maybe its just me (I'm also a nerd about the relative field position game based on change of possession ... so it very well could be just me).

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Sween. To me, the Skins remind me of a rowing crew. After years of rowing out of synch, they finally got in together. And then the leader left. And the next guy, who the players also believed in, was tossed overboard for a total question mark (a guy who has never been responsible for more than 4-5 guys at a time).

To me, that seems like its back to everyone rowing their own way, not as a team.

Zorn has so many challenges, to get his players to believe in him, to figure out how to be a head coach, to manage DaVinnity, etc. On the plus side, he has a veteran defensive staff and top quality guys like Fletcher, Samuels and Cooley on his team. But overall, I'm pretty skeptical.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 4, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

so what I meant was that punter doesn't seem like it would be a "wasted pick" ... and that the position is different from the other positions b/c a team can only really afford the roster space to carry one ... and there is no luxury of a learning curve.

Posted by: dcsween | April 4, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

sween- If they pick the Australian rules guy who Kost was touting as a punter, he will very likely be a "wasted" pick.

Posted by: 4-12 | April 4, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

siris,

All 7th round picks are crapshoots. There's no such thing as a "sure thing seventh rounder." So you roll the dice and sometimes you get lucky. I don't understand why you think it's a bad idea to pick a punter.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 4, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Why waste a draft pick on this AFL dude? How about a draft beer instead?

So you drop a few thou on round trip tix from Oz to Ashburn, and you promise the dude that instead of the usual Arby's ham sandwich it will be straight to the Old Dominion brewpub. The royal treatment. What Aussie would refuse?

And lookie here, the club sandwich has ham on it.

http://www.olddominion.com/fullmenu.shtml

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 4, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Looking over that menu, they have something called an "Encore Burrito."

Yeah, I'm taking that a bit too literally.

Ahem.

Posted by: 4-12 | April 4, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Nate, it wouldn't be that easy, Geelong is a really great place, sort of ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 4, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Zeke,

Did you look at the menu at Old Dominion. And you don't think an Aussie male would be attracted by that? Let's put it this way. If he wouldn't leave Geelong for the Old Dominion Brew Pub, then we really don't want him on our squad. He'd never be a Core Redskin. He has character issues worse than the Bengals misfits.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 4, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Just tell him he's been draughted and that should do the trick.


Also, that our lads get to wear pads during the game. So much more civilised than the AFL.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 4, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

They have a food menu with beer. Down under, they have a beer menu and on ladies night, they serve food, sometimes.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 4, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Hah, I just ate dinner at Old Dominion a week ago. Good food, good beer, and ironically, only a mile from Redskins Park. You guys should check it out on your June extravabingus

Posted by: --swb | April 4, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

I read on a NFL total access that the Skins signed WR Jerome Mathis, from the Texans. Mathis is 5"11 and has six receptions in his 3 years of service.

What's going on?

Posted by: matthew.vickers | April 4, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

What's going on?

Posted by: matthew.vickers | April 4, 2008 07:23 PM

Well, the 'Skins have a lot of vacancies at WR. They cut a few and lost a few. Assuming they signed Mathis, they think he might have a chance of filling one of the vacancies. If he doesn't they'll cut him. Why, who do you think they should have signed?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 4, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Jerome Mathis excels as a returner. He was dropped by the Texans after he was accused of choking his pregnant girlfriend. Like so much of this stuff, after he was dragged through the mud the charges were dropped. When they were dropped, here's what someone wrote:

Brazoria County authorities last week dropped the charges against former Texan Jerome Mathis.

The receiver wasn't tendered an offer by the Texans; he had been accused by his then-girlfriend of throwing her down and choking her. After his arrest, she asked the charges be dropped.

If Mathis didn't get injured every season, some teams would be all over him. Eventually, some team will sign him because he's so fast and has so much talent.

Don't you just hate it when the 'Skins sign someone who is "so fast and has so much talent"?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 4, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

great I check back in and its bash janso fest....so tired...so boring....

back to the Caps blog

F football
F RI

see ya back in a few weeks.....

Posted by: chrislarry | April 4, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

I believe the Redskins made the right call; adding a receiver to a pool that is pretty slim. Depth at WR is as much of an issue as our other needs, such as, D-line & O-line and DBs. Mathis can return kicks that is for sure! 28 yards for an average along with a touchdown here and there is nice. It certainly sounds like an improvement over Cartwright but.......

..Rock has averaged 23 yards a return throughout his six year career. Plus last season he averaged 25 yards a return, only a three yard difference. In fact, Rock has steadily increased his kickoff return yd average each season since he was drafted. Of course he was on the IR in '04 but had he not been wouldn't it be possible that his return yrd average would be much like Mathis'?

Depth! I know. What about Anthony Mix? Between Mix and Mathis, there are a TOTAL of nine receptions through a combined six years of service. Hell Cartwirhgt has averaged 10 receptions a year.....

I like Mix's size but I can not say anything more until I see him play. Will he play? He'll battle Mathis and Thrash for sure.

Depth! I wish Anquan Boldin was a Redskin right about now. Depth! Maybe now we can wait until the mid rounds to select a WR?

Would you be disappointed if Harvey or Merling fell to the skins?

Posted by: matthew.vickers | April 4, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry--Where'd you get that sour attitude? You been sucking on lemons again?

mathhew.vickers -- Jerome Mathis was in the Pro Bowl for the AFC in 2005 as a kick returner. It's been downhill since then for him -- lots of injuries, including a motorcycle accident.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 4, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Limes. I'm sorry. I'll take it easy.

Posted by: matthew.vickers | April 4, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

BONG!

Posted by: bigmurf08 | April 4, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Don't you just hate it when the 'Skins sign someone who is "so fast and has so much talent"?
Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 4, 2008 08:33 PM

Yeah, I'm sure you wouldn't mind if some guy choked your wife, sister, or girlfriend so long as they were talented.

Posted by: Redskins3621ST | April 5, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

You know what my comment was out of line, but still I hate it when players get passes just because they're decent football players.

Posted by: Redskins3621ST | April 5, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

+++ I don't think that we want positive Redskins info 24/7, but it would be nice if this Insider blog actually gave Insider info on the Skins. It just seems to me that Jasno does not have access to the Redskins park so he comes up with crap like todays thread.

I know he could do much better...

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 4, 2008 02:42 PM++++


If it's so easy, why don't you do it, Kerzon. And find out about that thinking in heh Bush inner circle while you're at it.

I guess today's post by JASNO wasn't the kind of crap you want. So and so says his knee is better. So and so says he really plans to play well this year. The other guy says by golly he's liftin' lots of weights.

Not a full time Jasno defender--he has good days and bad--but if today's excellent assessment of just what the hell's wrong with snyderatto and the gang doesn't stir your blood, you belong at redskins.com reading the flack crap THEY put out.

Wow, did you know Darlene is REALLY excited about the Redskinette's new cheers this year?

Posted by: corkczar | April 5, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

+++ I don't think that we want positive Redskins info 24/7, but it would be nice if this Insider blog actually gave Insider info on the Skins. It just seems to me that Jasno does not have access to the Redskins park so he comes up with crap like todays thread.

I know he could do much better...

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 4, 2008 02:42 PM++++


If it's so easy, why don't you do it, Kerzon. And find out about that thinking in heh Bush inner circle while you're at it.

I guess today's post by JASNO wasn't the kind of crap you want. So and so says his knee is better. So and so says he really plans to play well this year. The other guy says by golly he's liftin' lots of weights.

Not a full time Jasno defender--he has good days and bad--but if today's excellent assessment of just what the hell's wrong with snyderatto and the gang doesn't stir your blood, you belong at redskins.com reading the flack crap THEY put out.

Wow, did you know Darlene is REALLY excited about the Redskinette's new cheers this year?

Posted by: corkczar | April 5, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

You know the column is supposed to be called Insider.

Players have been onsite doing voluntary workouts for a couple of weeks. There are various players at the park rehabbing. There are new coaches going over plans for player development. There is a Draft in 20 Days.

And we get this?

We don't need numbers to know the dysfunction that has reigned.

It assumes we are stupid and know nothing about what is going on.

It assumes that we do not have a deep mistrust of Vinny and Dan so let me, JLC just put you straight.

What we want from the Insider is a day to day report of what is happening at Redskins Park. There are 50 plus players roaming around the place. Lets see what Mix thinks of his roster chances, what he is doing to make the roster.

Lets here from Carlos about his knee.

All this smacks of is "Axe to grind". Tell me something I don't know for once or be my outlet for the Horses mouth.

Posted by: flave1969 | April 5, 2008 2:35 AM | Report abuse

If it's so easy, why don't you do it, Kerzon. And find out about that thinking in heh Bush inner circle while you're at it.

I guess today's post by JASNO wasn't the kind of crap you want. So and so says his knee is better. So and so says he really plans to play well this year. The other guy says by golly he's liftin' lots of weights.

Not a full time Jasno defender--he has good days and bad--but if today's excellent assessment of just what the hell's wrong with snyderatto and the gang doesn't stir your blood, you belong at redskins.com reading the flack crap THEY put out.

Wow, did you know Darlene is REALLY excited about the Redskinette's new cheers this year?

Posted by: corkczar | April 5, 2008 01:12 AM

What he posted was not Insider information, nor was it anything new. There have been several draft prospects that have been at Redskins Park lately or coming soon. Nothing about that from Jasno. Actually, nothing at all in the form of Insider information. Most of the bloggers here have more inside info that is posted compared to Jasno. The WaTimes had an interview with Snyder. Where is Jasno Insider stuff???

He has no inside info because it seems that he is not welcomed at Redskins park, kinda like me. That is why I don't post inside info, but I do not have a blog that I call RI like Jasno.

I have posted twice negative things about Jasno, so I would not consider myself a Jasno basher, but I would rather have something that is new, not the same old bashing on the FO that we all already know about.

The reason that I do not hang out at redskins.com is because I do not want sugar coated inside info, but it seems of late that that is all Jasno has is negative stuff. I know that that is part of his job, but if he has connections inside of Redskins park, he is is not posting any of it.

Here are his last six threads:

The Numbers Don't Lie, Update On An Old Friend, The Jason & Jason (and Russ) Show, Preseason Schedule, The Nickname, Mock Draft (Made For TV)

Not really insider stuff.

Not saying it is easy, but he is getting paid to give insider information. And as I stated, I know he can do better!

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 5, 2008 2:39 AM | Report abuse

All this smacks of is "Axe to grind". Tell me something I don't know for once or be my outlet for the Horses mouth.

Posted by: flave1969 | April 5, 2008 02:35 AM

Flave, basically what a lot of us were saying. Most if not all fans know how dysfunctional this FO has been. Time to move on.

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 5, 2008 2:43 AM | Report abuse

Analysis of each O-Line position for difficulty, by The Rooster.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ross_tucker/04/02/oline.rankings/index.html?eref=T1

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | April 5, 2008 3:18 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins had an open workout for draft-eligible players on Friday. Here are some details and the list of players (including TWO punters!).

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=758

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | April 5, 2008 3:20 AM | Report abuse

London Fletcher talks about the new Defense Communications Device.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=35107

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Exclusive Breaking News from Redskins Park
Saturday, April 5, 2008
3:43 AM EDT

There is nothing at all happening right now at Redskins Park.

This has been another exclusive Insider Report. Stay tuned for more exclusive reports at any time.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | April 5, 2008 3:43 AM | Report abuse

Not that this has anything to do with anything, but I reread an old SI story that was one of my favorites. Check it out when you have some time. Great writing and great imagery.

http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1094430/1/index.htm


Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 4, 2008 04:39 PM

Zeke,

Nice article. Not a climber myself, but enjoyed the article none the less. Dude can write.

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 5, 2008 3:51 AM | Report abuse

Ah WTF.

Reporters don't do numbers.

I am not unhappy i.e. happy - that we spend money on players.

What does 2000 have to do with 2007. We had different people running the show.

Pre Gibbs was a disaster no one says other wise - coaching had something to do with this and Jeff Freaking George. I don't know why Vinny got the gig but they are not making the same mistakes as before.

I am not an freak who only wants the draft or FA. I think both can and do work - but all we can do is wait.

Posted by: mul | April 5, 2008 4:57 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins have been pathetic for a long time.

Why is everyone giving JaLa such a hard time about reporting the obvious?

The man clearly has nothing else to report.

Posted by: podspeak | April 5, 2008 5:11 AM | Report abuse

What happened to all those people who were recently calling for a boycott of any and all things Redskins?

How's that working out?

Posted by: podspeak | April 5, 2008 5:14 AM | Report abuse

The pussification of America continues.....

Houston Texans wide receiver/kick returner Jerome Mathis was cited after four dangerous pit bulls escaped from his home near Manvel on Saturday, police reported.

Authorities said Mathis allowed the dogs to remain at large and harbored unvaccinated animals.

Residents of the Cobblestone Park apartments, in the 3800 block of County Road 94, reported that the dogs were behaving in an aggressive manner, the Brazoria County Sheriff's Department said.

One woman said she was chased into her apartment by the dogs and a couple said they jumped onto a parked car to escape.

An officer saw one dog approach a woman and shot pepper spray at the animal, the report said. When the spray seemed to take no effect, the officer fired his gun without hitting the dog. The dog ran away.

Officers later captured one adult dog and three puppies, the report said.

Mathis, 24, said the dogs were his and was issued citations.

Posted by: podspeak | April 5, 2008 5:53 AM | Report abuse

I'll add my voice to the many, many others saying ENOUGH with the axe grinding, JLC.

Last off season, if we had asked JLC what the 'skins could do to satisfy his standards for a good, stable approach to free agency and the draft, he would have said: get a GM; stop trading draft picks (and overpaying) for older FA's as the main method of acquiring talent; take the draft seriously.

This off-season the 'skins make Cerrato the GM. They have not traded any draft picks or overpayed to attract older FAs. They have NINE draft picks and are taking the draft seriously by working out a number of prospective picks (which we don't hear about from JLC - Why not? Answer is below).

Yet JLC remains criticizes of the 'skins activities this off-season. Why?

The only explanation is that he has a V for Vendetta. Therefore I propose renaming this blog from RI to RV (Redskins Vendetta). Who is with?

Posted by: hithere1 | April 5, 2008 5:59 AM | Report abuse

What happened to all those people who were recently calling for a boycott of any and all things Redskins?

Posted by: podspeak | April 5, 2008 05:14 AM

The majority of that movement appeared to be keyed to the possibility of Fossil being named Head Coach. When Fossil was denied, the possibility of a large-scale boycott seemed to disappear.

It appears that Zorn does not have the same negative catalytic effect on the fans.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | April 5, 2008 6:42 AM | Report abuse

IMHO, it's great that Jason is giving the dead money info; anyone who doesn't care can skip it. But, add my name to those who think there's not much inside info on this blog.

Posted by: chris_zz | April 5, 2008 7:18 AM | Report abuse

So, the Redskins did sign Jerome Mathis. It will be interesting to see how this works out: Talented guy with injury problems and "anger management" issues. But, after reading podpspeak's post above we know the answer to the age-old question "Who let the dogs out?"

My prediction is that this guy will not be on the Redskins roster on opening day

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 5, 2008 7:34 AM | Report abuse

IMHO Vinnie deserves the benefit of the doubt as a new GM for at least a season before we start putting together lynch mobs. Yes, he's been around for most of the bad decisions in Snyder's time (Dieon ring a bell?), but as many people pointed out, he didn't have final say over who was taken in either free agency or the draft. Now if he drafts C. Campbell or a punter in the forst round, I might have to backtrack, but until then, I'll stay cautiously optomistic.

On another note, anybody else a bit nervous we're bringing in a WR who can't take care of his own pitbulls? Seriously, what is it with football players and neglecting their dogs, especially pitbulls?

Also, I think the Rabach thing is hillarious! How did it come about? Did someone take a good look at what he's working with down there one day? Insider info? Inquiring minds want to know...

Posted by: tmwilliams | April 5, 2008 7:36 AM | Report abuse

Mathis, 24, said the dogs were his and was issued citations.

Posted by: podspeak | April 5, 2008 05:53 AM

It's not much but I'll give Mathis this, at least he said the dogs were his. Not like some other a-holes who say things like I didn't even know they were at my own house or someone else was supposed to be taking care of them. (These sren't quotes folks, they just sound eerily similar to things other players have said.)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 5, 2008 8:08 AM | Report abuse

KPMD: Hey Greg Marino, it's KPMD, can you believe Jason wants to explain how the past contributed to this situation the skins are currently in? And use NUMBERS and METRICS?

GregMarino: No KPMD, pass the crayons, I want to be fed typical spring fever draft gummy bears, hope that the skins get at least 5 starters from the draft, and then complain like heck and be miserable later in the season when all the old veterans get hurt, we get whipped by everybody in the NFC East, and there are no play-offs. But then later I forget.

KPMD: Well Greg, what I really like is the "Cycle" aspects of this. As long as I ignore the past, and all the mistakes that were made, I can always have never ending hope for the future, that somehow things will be different this time.

GregMarino: But KPMD, at juice time, my Mom says doing the same things over and over and expecting different results is like...the definition of being crazy!

KPMD: Well Greg, we do have Uncle Vinny. Although his record of failures would mean being FIRED in any other organization, he is getting a chance to learn and change...lets place our hope on THAT!

Posted by: DownTownClown | April 5, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

tmwilliams,

Zorn made some comment that Jason Cambell had to stoop down too much when he was taking the ball from the center. He said that Rabach needed to get his butt up more so that Jason didn't start from a squat.

RI regulars have run with it to the conclusion that if Rabach had a smaller package, or none at all, he wouldn't have to raise his butt and Jason wouldn't have to squat. Ain't we a clever group up here?


And DTC, nice. Like the way you bring it to defend Jasno's nonsense with a subtle sense of humor.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 5, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else post that we signed WR FA Jerome Mathis. Good call getting a PR/KR if El is gonna be a starting WR.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 5, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Yeah...they signed Mathis...he may not make the team, but what's interesting is I consider him to be in the same bag as DJ Hackett. He's a potentially good player who can't stay healthy. Hope we got him on a bargain.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 5, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

As far as Jasno's post...the Skins are damned if they do, damned if they don't. They pass on Hackett, Jasno says they left a hole they should have filled.

Jason...if you say it's now Vinny's era, then give em' a clean slate, they rip them or praise them after this season or next.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 5, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I have a problem with the Jasno article. He goes on and on about the changes that other teams have made over the last few years: Parcells in Miami, Casserly leaves Houston, etc. Yet, he conveniently forgets that Gibbs left Washington. Cerrato has never been in charge. Before Gibbs, Snyder was calling the shots. After Gibbs took over, Snyder learned the value of having a GM call the shots, which is why Cerrato is where he is now. Since Cerrato has taken "the keys to the kingdom", hasn't anybody noticed that things are different? Where are all the high priced free agents this year? Why do they have nine draft picks? I think a decent person would allow Cerrato at least a year to be judged.

Posted by: midniterc | April 5, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, TE. Three words to Rabach. Tape it up.

Posted by: tmwilliams | April 5, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

From PFT.com

"REDSKINS GO TURD COLLECTING
Posted by Mike Florio on April 4, 2008, 9:58 p.m.
The Washington Redskins signed their first free agent who didn't play in 2007 with the Washington Redskins.

The new player is receiver Jerome Mathis, a three-year member of the Houston Texans who didn't receive a restricted free agent tender after being arrested for assaulting his pregnant girlfriend in February. (Charges have since been dropped, primarily because the alleged victim moved out of state and asked for the charges to be dropped.)

Hey, Redskins -- why didn't you just make a waiver claim for Chris Henry?

The Washington Times points out that the team waited until 7:00 p.m. on Friday to send out a release announcing the move, which apparently was aimed at avoiding unnecessary scrutiny of the decision.

As one media source told us, "No way they bring this guy on when [Joe] Gibbs was in charge."

"

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse....

http://www.thedirty.com/?p=19702

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I hope everyone who is trashing Jerome Mathis aren't Wizards or LA Lakers fans......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Also, about this post, JLaC should have compared Snyder's 1st 6years to his last 4 years (with Gibbs 2.0). If one was to that, I bet the dead $$ will be a little different......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Three words to Rabach. Tape it up.

Posted by: tmwilliams | April 5, 2008 09:50 AM

And what will that feel like when you pull the tape off? I guess it depends on technique. "Oooh, Mama, come over here and pull my tape off."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 5, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

What's that saying...no pain no gain.

Posted by: tmwilliams | April 5, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Hey Downtowndummy,

I do not need to be reminded of how bad the FO has been on a daily basis, I have moved on. You cry baby haters love to be negative about Snyder and Vinnie, what is the point they are not going anywere. I have chosen to look ahead and see were the team can go from here. You or I have no idea of how much of the FO troubles have been caused by Vinnie, Gibbs or any of the other coaches. There has been one constant Snyder and guess what he owns the team, so I can sit here and bash him everyday, and guess what he will still own the team and do what ever he wants. I will look to see how the team and Cerrato do over the next couple years to judge how he is as a GM. But you keep bashing, it has done alot of good so far, good luck on getting Snyder to sell the team.

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 5, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I'm happy the Skins have an owner that spends money on players. It's the quickest way to accumulate talented, veteran starters. Now that said -- I believe the Archuletta and Lloyd salaries (w/10K guaranteed signing bonuses) were a mistake made by Snyder. I'm sure Gibbs, Williams, and Ceratto recommended the players, but Snyder negotiated those outrageous contracts. Perhaps he's learned from his past mistakes (e.g. the recent offers to WRs) and now has the restraint not to over pay for marginal players.

However, I find it difficult to fault the Skins management for the majority of the dead cap money. I'd like to see a more detailed break down, but I bet Taylor, Coles, Archuletta, Lloyd, Arrington, and Sanders accounted for a good portion.

The NFL should change the cap rules to exempt death and early retirement. Its ridiculous for teams to be penalized for unplanned events that are clearly beyond their control.

Posted by: siris | April 5, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if the Jerome Mathis signing signals the end for James Thrash? They will both complete for the same slot (4th WR and ST), but Mathis is faster and 12 years younger. He could also take over PR duties and either be on the field as a second KR or take over from Cartwright if the Skins discover a better #3 RB.

Posted by: siris | April 5, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

We may have our problems but I wouldn't want to be the:

1) Cardinals
2) Jets
3) Texans
4) 49'ers
5) Dolphins
6) Bengals
7) Ravens (with coach Ray Lewis)
8) Bills

Posted by: rickyroge | April 5, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Hello Again!
Been maybe two months since I posted.
But been reading Jason's work, to keep informed.

don't know if you saw this or not, but I sure enjoyed watching twice, to bring back the old great Skin memories.

Enjoy everyone and until draft day HTTR!
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80222fe6

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 5, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

And now introducing the starting 5 for the Redskin Haters

At guard...Brian Mitchell
At guard...Jason LaCanfora
At forward..."Smokin" Al Coken
At forward...David Elfin
At center...Lavar Arrington

Coached by...Peter King

Posted by: rickyroge | April 5, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Don't know if folks have seen this:
HTTR!

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8074c980

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 5, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

RedskinRay1 thank you for your posts. Ah the good ole days. It's interesting to see in the 1981 draft, the skins drafted/signed 3 OL, 2 DL, 2 WR drafting the linemen early. SOunds like a plan for this draft.

Posted by: marlonjohn | April 5, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

+++Not saying it is easy, but he is getting paid to give insider information. And as I stated, I know he can do better!
Posted by: kerzon417 | April 5, 2008 02:39 AM++++

The Medja is in a constant state of flux, but for now Jasno is being paid as a sportswriter for the WaPo. Blogs, like columns have different rules. They are designed to stir up the troops and lead to lots and lots of hits.

Based on the length of this thread, I'd say Jasno did it with this thread. And he sure stirred up a hornet's nest.

Just what exactly do you xpect him to ferret out at redskin Park now?

People are lifting and conditioning. The team signed exactly ONE FA, a guy who not only has been injured for two years but brings Cowboyworthy baggage. What, you think scouts are going to give ANYONE the inside skinny on who the team will draft? As if they know, anyway.

And who will tell the truth about injury recovery?

These are the Doldrums.

Posted by: corkczar | April 5, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

I used to love this blog......

Posted by: chrislarry | April 5, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

CL--What's up, dude? You used to be a clever and cheerful contributor. Have you been taking those whiner pills?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 5, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

RedskinRay,

I've seen that clip on the '81 draft before, but i'm so glad you posted it to see again. Gave an ol' dog Skins fan the goose bumps.

And Chris Larry... the blog needs ya. I don't blame ya for gettin' a case o' the red ass from some of what gets posted, but that's all the more reason for you to contribute.

And while I'm on the subject, F the Giants!!

Posted by: RedskinWillie | April 5, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

whateves, wake me when it matters...

go caps!!!!!!!

Posted by: chrislarry | April 5, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

corkczar...yea he should stir it up...but the length of the post is mostly due to lack of new thread...
what should he stir up? how bout the old news on mathis? sucks to be the last to know... change the blog name to redskins outsider

Posted by: rich | April 5, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

I don't post all that much and have been especially quiet of late but I've had a couple of beers and just want to say that I love the Redskins and I can't wait 'til the new season starts!!!! It might be miles away but I really can't wait!!! Go Skins!!!!

Posted by: tartanskin | April 5, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

....They are designed to stir up the troops and lead to lots and lots of hits.

Based on the length of this thread, I'd say Jasno did it with this thread. And he sure stirred up a hornet's nest....

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If you look at a lot of the blogs on this post you will see that they have nothing to do with what Jasno post. RI "hamsters" (to use someones word) enjoy the Jibba Jabba as much as the threads posted here, so the hits will be here regardless.

And if the intent is to "stir up the hornets nest" then what is wrong with what I and others posted regarding his thread? Or are you saying that we should just agree with everything that Jasno posts? I know that is not true, just sayin...

OWNED.

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 5, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

SJKen Memphis. Cost me the tournament!

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 5, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm with cl. Seems like we've been having the same argument since I first posted here 2 years ago. Jasno's default blog post when things are slow is "How Bad the FO Is" which is hardly an argument at this point. They suck a**. Especially the lil Danny.

But, da** if we haven't covered this ground a gazillion times.

Peace homeses.

Posted by: LarryBud | April 5, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm with cl. Seems like we've been having the same argument since I first posted here 2 years ago. Jasno's default blog post when things are slow is "How Bad the FO Is" which is hardly an argument at this point. They suck a**. Especially the lil Danny.

But, da** if we haven't covered this ground a gazillion times.

Peace homeses.

Posted by: LarryBud | April 5, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm with cl. Seems like we've been having the same argument since I first posted here 2 years ago. Jasno's default blog post when things are slow is "How Bad the FO Is" which is hardly an argument at this point. They suck a**. Especially the lil Danny.

But, da** if we haven't covered this ground a gazillion times.

Peace homeses.

Posted by: LarryBud | April 5, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm with cl. Seems like we've been having the same argument since I first posted here 2 years ago. Jasno's default blog post when things are slow is "How Bad the FO Is" which is hardly an argument at this point. They suck a**. Especially the lil Danny.

But, da** if we haven't covered this ground a gazillion times.

Peace homeses.

Posted by: LarryBud | April 5, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm with cl. Seems like we've been having the same argument since I first posted here 2 years ago. Jasno's default blog post when things are slow is "How Bad the FO Is" which is hardly an argument at this point. They suck a**. Especially the lil Danny.

But, da** if we haven't covered this ground a gazillion times.

Peace homeses.

Posted by: LarryBud | April 5, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm with cl. Seems like we've been having the same argument since I first posted here 2 years ago. Jasno's default blog post when things are slow is "How Bad the FO Is" which is hardly an argument at this point. They suck a**. Especially the lil Danny.

But, da** if we haven't covered this ground a gazillion times.

Peace homeses.

Posted by: LarryBud | April 5, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

larrybud your with me 4x.....sweet!


have fun everyone in the dead horse beating.....I am partaying on the Caps blog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Goal shakers, ice breakers

have fun breaking down possible 7th rounders!

Posted by: chrislarry | April 5, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

CL, LB,

You two deserve each other. Most of the talk up here lately is about the draft. But, if you don't like the jibba jabba, you can change the subject. Thing is neither of you has come up with an original thought, just whining.

Wake us up when you have something to say, whateves?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 5, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

eeewwwww sorrrrrry TE....your always sooooo enlightening.....

pulheeze...go flip flop on your opinions again

Gibbs is good, gibbs must go....

Posted by: chrislarry | April 5, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry,

When I'm wrong I change my opinion. What do you do?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 5, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

And now introducing the starting 5 for the Redskin Haters

At guard...Brian Mitchell
At guard...Jason LaCanfora
At forward..."Smokin" Al Coken
At forward...David Elfin
At center...Lavar Arrington

Coached by...Peter King


Posted by: rickyroge | April 5, 2008 01:56 PM

Where does that idiot Pierce come in? 6th man? Anybody know anything of any substance about this Mathis guy? Did we just bring him in to return punts? He's obviously not the tall receiver we are looking for. What's he making? Minimum?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 5, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

mad love to the Memphis Tigers... my pick to win it all in the RI tourney. here we go Tigers, here we go!

also, the Caps go from last place on my birthday to third seed in the conference. let's go, Caps!

and finally Portsmouth FC gently move past West Brom to the FA Cup final. play up, Pompey!

all in all, a pretty good sports day, I reckon, the Nats notwithstanding...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 5, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Zorn made some comment that Jason Cambell had to stoop down too much when he was taking the ball from the center. He said that Rabach needed to get his butt up more so that Jason didn't start from a squat.

RI regulars have run with it to the conclusion that if Rabach had a smaller package, or none at all, he wouldn't have to raise his butt and Jason wouldn't have to squat. Ain't we a clever group up here?


And DTC, nice. Like the way you bring it to defend Jasno's nonsense with a subtle sense of humor.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 5, 2008 08:22 AM

Only TO drops more balls than Rabach.

Hey Nate how are ya. My bracket is long since through but yeah let's go Caps! And a UNC comeback here would be incredible.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 5, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

heya, SMACK, happy Saturday.


I thought of the blog today -- was in a hippie/hemp clothing store today with the family and noticed our three-year-old staring at a display counter which was filled with an array of colorful glass smoking implements. Despite the sign that said "For tobacco only," I had the urge to bellow out "BONG... HIT!"

Instead, when the little guy asked what they were, I called them "glass sculptures," to Mrs. Nate's and the shopgirl's amusement.

That's the news from Portland.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 5, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

and finally Portsmouth FC gently move past West Brom to the FA Cup final. play up, Pompey!

all in all, a pretty good sports day, I reckon, the Nats notwithstanding...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 5, 2008 10:33 PM

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Nate - Portsmouth??? Seriously????

BTW - HTTR!!!!!!!

Posted by: tartanskin | April 5, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

sorry TE, guess LarryBud and I ruined the vibe, with out ya know opinions and such....

I'll check back in a few weeks when the draft is close....

But thanks TE for jumping in my siht so quick, I will remember that the next time I find myself resisting opening up a can of whup azz on one of your inane comments and just let it fly...

CAPS BABY!!!!!! Football can wait until later I got playoff hockey, 2 fantasy baseball teams, one victory away from winning an NCAA pool (go Kansas!...sorry nate)and those spunky but poor pitching Nats to keep me interested...

Posted by: chrislarry | April 5, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Congrats to those of you still in Nate's NCAA Pool!!

I exit today atleast knowing that I was not that girl!

Thanks for doing the Pool Nate. Made the games have more meaning for me!

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 5, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

tartanskin, when I started paying a modicum of attention to English football a few years back, I gravitated toward Pompey, hailing as I do (and as does our man MV Dame) from Portsmouth, VA. Was happy to find they have a legendary fan base, never wavering in their support at Fratton even in the worst of times. The Pompey Chimes, and so forth.

Since then they've been promoted to the top flight, staved off relegation, and now I'm pleased as punch to see 'arry Redknapp's boys near the top of the table AND playing for a trophy in Wembley and a place in Europe. Good times, good times.

Sure, it's second-hand glory, much like adopting kost52's Geelong Cats during their run to the AFL title this past season. But until our Redskins hoist the Lombardi again, it'll have to do.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 6, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

kerzon, it was my pleasure setting up the tourney pool. Anything to help pass the time in the long, cold Redskin offseason.

Yes, it appears you're out of the running. But if it's any consolation, it looks like I shot my bracket in the foot to such an extent that even if Memphis wins Monday, I won't win the pool.

Will post updated RI pool standings when they're posted...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 6, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

You can't spell chRIs LarrY without RI.


And you can't spell RI without F chriS lARRy.


So there.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 6, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Can anyone tell me what draft picks have visited Redskin park (especially the 3rd corner). So far I've heard Flowers and Porter as well as Laurence Jackson, Illinois RB, and Chad Henne.

Posted by: milrenkb | April 6, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

I like watching Nats games.

Very Easy to get Zs during that time. Plus, I usually ale=ways wake up in the 9th inning when the games are close.

My tradition started up again Friday night when we were playing St. Louis. 1st inning, they got up 2-0. I woke up in the top of the 9th, we are down by one with 2 people on base and 2 outs. That's what I call perfect timing. Anyway, I was blown 1 minute later when Belliard goes down looking. *Sigh*. O well, I'll remember these times when we win a pennant (whatever that is)......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2008 2:43 AM | Report abuse

I like watching Nats games.

Very Easy to get Zs during that time. Plus, I usually ale=ways wake up in the 9th inning when the games are close.

My tradition started up again Friday night when we were playing St. Louis. 1st inning, they got up 2-0. I woke up in the top of the 9th, we are down by one with 2 people on base and 2 outs. That's what I call perfect timing. Anyway, I was blown 1 minute later when Belliard goes down looking. *Sigh*. O well, I'll remember these times when we win a pennant (whatever that is)......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2008 3:06 AM | Report abuse

I like watching Nats games.

Very Easy to get Zs during that time. Plus, I usually ale=ways wake up in the 9th inning when the games are close.

My tradition started up again Friday night when we were playing St. Louis. 1st inning, they got up 2-0. I woke up in the top of the 9th, we are down by one with 2 people on base and 2 outs. That's what I call perfect timing. Anyway, I was blown 1 minute later when Belliard goes down looking. *Sigh*. O well, I'll remember these times when we win a pennant (whatever that is)......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2008 3:06 AM | Report abuse

I like watching Nats games.

Very Easy to get Zs during that time. Plus, I usually ale=ways wake up in the 9th inning when the games are close.

My tradition started up again Friday night when we were playing St. Louis. 1st inning, they got up 2-0. I woke up in the top of the 9th, we are down by one with 2 people on base and 2 outs. That's what I call perfect timing. Anyway, I was blown 1 minute later when Belliard goes down looking. *Sigh*. O well, I'll remember these times when we win a pennant (whatever that is)......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2008 3:10 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: milrenkb | April 6, 2008 12:27 AM

You are on point. I haven't seen the name of the 3rd CB. Thta's it, though. Teams don't release this info. It's the agents that leaks the names....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2008 3:12 AM | Report abuse

Mil - you got it right so far. I have been unable to find out who the 3rd CB is so far. Teams don't release this info. It usually comes from the agents......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2008 3:12 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: milrenkb | April 6, 2008 12:27 AM

You are on point. I haven't seen the name of the 3rd CB. Thta's it, though. Teams don't release this info. It's the agents that leaks the names....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2008 3:12 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: milrenkb | April 6, 2008 12:27 AM

You are on point. I haven't seen the name of the 3rd CB. Thta's it, though. Teams don't release this info. It's the agents that leaks the names....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2008 3:12 AM | Report abuse

JLaC has completely missed a new story that is unfolding right before us(and if he's working on it now, my apologies).

So, we signed Jerome Mathis. Eh, don't we have 3 returners already?!?!? Cartwright, Randle-El, and Betts.

Now, we have 4 returners. ARE ain't going anywhere anytime soon. Cartwright just resigned and got a little signing bonus. Betts is a backup running back who has been runored to be on the trading block before (click on scout link).
http://was.scout.com/2/743686.html

The times peoples are saying something is strange as well.(see link)
http://video1.washingtontimes.com/redskins/2008/04/mathis_past_ryan_ohalloran.html

Mathis is only 5'11" so he is not what JZ is looking for in additional receiver, so he has to be here strictly for the return game.

I see smoke. Do any of you see it to?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2008 3:14 AM | Report abuse

The 3rd CB is Nebraska CB Zach Bowman

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2008 3:22 AM | Report abuse

Now that I have had more time to think the first statistics in the story were very very pointless - all is showed us is that teams that spent a lot of money do well. Moral don't spend money.

The second set of statistic on dead cap space speaks to Bruce and Deion and Jeff George.

This shows what we new. But I would like to see it broken down by year. Anyway mostly pointless crap.

Posted by: mul | April 6, 2008 3:38 AM | Report abuse

4th,
I can imagine that Betts probably would like to be traded to a team that would give him more playing time. Plus, Mathis is from SE VA and with all the injury and legal issues probably came cheap.

I can't think of anything else positive to say except the Skins will sign anyone to compete for the WR slot, absolutely anyone.

I'm thinking they draft or sign a RB next year, if Betts is traded.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 6, 2008 6:48 AM | Report abuse

I can't think of anything else positive to say except the Skins will sign anyone to compete for the WR slot, absolutely anyone.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 6, 2008 06:48 AM

I think they signed him to compete in the return game, not WR.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 6, 2008 6:57 AM | Report abuse

I see smoke. Do any of you see it to?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2008 03:14 AM

4th, Smoke? I don't see it. This just seems like business as usual in the NFL. There's a talented guy out there so you bring him in and take a look at him. He'll push Rock, but Rock knows that he has to compete for his job, and this guy's not much of a threat with his injury history and his character issues.

I don't think Mathis will be on the opening day roster, but Rock might have a more productive off season while Mathis is around. And, if Mathis is on the opening day roster, he was a good find at a low price -- the FO will look like geniuses for picking him up off the scrap heap.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 6, 2008 7:40 AM | Report abuse

I actually think Mathis can contribute. He's faster than Rock, and I think he may be the punt returner if he makes the team. ARE was terrible as a punt returner because he didn't want to get hurt.

The real news is that ESPN is reporting that the Bengals are working out Malcolm Kelly and they speculated that they may be preparing for a Chad Johnson trade.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 6, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

rickyroge,

I hope you're right that he will make an contribution, but the odds are against it.

Mathis is not a punt returner. In three years in the league, he's only returned 12 punts, for a five yard average. Randle El is better than that.

He returns kickoffs. He made the pro bowl as a rookie. But since then, in the last two years he's played in a total of five games. He has leg issues, which is never a good sign in the NFL.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 6, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

This is just speculation, but what if the intent of signing Mathis is to use him as the primary KR. The skins could be planning to use Rock as the backup to CP making Betts expendable.
Just a theory. I never said I was in favor of it. But nevertheless, it is possible that by the end of this month Betts is no longer a member of this team.

Posted by: skinsfan_81 | April 6, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

As much as I love the Rock, he's no Betts and I don't think he can make it as a #2. If somehow we trade Betts, I'd be real surprised if we don't look for a running back in the middle rounds of the draft.

Ugh, anybody else feel a little dirty picking up this "model citizen" Mathis? Seems like something straight out of the Cowgirls playbook...

Posted by: tmwilliams | April 6, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Talking about the draft...

Here's the Skins recent first round draft history:

2007 - LaRon Landry (DB, LSU); 2006 - none; 2005 - Carlos Rogers (CB, Auburn), Jason Campbell (QB, Auburn); 2004 - Sean Taylor (S, Miami-Florida); 2003 - none; 2002 - Patrick Ramsey (QB, Tulane); 2001 - Rod Gardner (WR, Clemson); 2000 - LaVar Arrington (LB, Penn State), Chris Samuels (OT, Alabama); 1999 - Champ Bailey (CB, Georgia); 1998 - none; 1997 - Kenard Lang (DT, Miami); 1996 - Andre Johnson (OT, Penn State); 1995 - Michael Westbrook (WR, Colorado); 1994 - Heath Shuler (QB, Tennessee); 1993 - Tom Carter (CB, Notre Dame); 1992 - Desmond Howard (WR, Michigan); 1991 - Bobby Wilson (DT, Michigan State); 1990 - none.

Anyone notice the contrast of quality picks between the Ceratto and Casserly years?

Posted by: siris | April 6, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Please give the guy (Cerrato) some credit:
He was opposed to several signings, but was overruled by Gibbs and "the coach 'em up" guy.
Recent good moves:

Heyer, Doughty, Montgomery, Golston,

Rabach, Smoot, Fletcher,

Posted by: johnbear948 | April 6, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for inquiring about the thumb. The entire lower half of the nail is black and there seems to be an informal pool among some jackSJKs as to whether/when the nail will fall off. It makes using the CrackBerry very very difficult; I'm the dope on the Metro typing with left thumb and right index finger. To make it easier, I no longer type vowels on it. Imagine the sitcom THAT has made of my life. Hilarity is rampant. Hlrty...
My thumb will be on display next Sunday, at the Man U-Arsenal "other football" game at Summers.

Posted by: TheCindy | April 6, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I think Mathis was primarily signed to compete with Thrash as a 4th wide-receiver and special team player.

Betts didn't post very impressive stats last year:

rushed for 335 yards and one touchdown on 93 carries. 3.6 yards/carry.
caught 21 passes for 174 yards and one touchdown. 8.3 yards/pass.

He will have to complete in camp, earn his position, and prove himself to the new coaches. Right now his biggest competition is with Cartwright and Mason. His best skill is pass catching in space -- which should be useful in the West Coast offense...

Posted by: siris | April 6, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Ugh, anybody else feel a little dirty picking up this "model citizen" Mathis?

Posted by: tmwilliams | April 6, 2008 12:43 PM

Absolutely not. He's not a model citizen, but he hasn't been convicted of a crime, either. In fact, the one time he was charged with a crime the charges were dropped.

I don't see any harm in giving a guy a second chance, do you? It's a risk, and if he blows it we cut him. Presumably, before they signed him they met him and sized him up. If they were wrong, he's gone.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 6, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I see smoke. Do any of you see it too?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2008 03:14 AM

Not anymore, but I can still smell something. I'm pretty sure bigmurf was here just a little while ago.

Cindy, I've seem some hilarious remotes with one inch square buttons ... maybe you can find a keyboard-size blackberry. [I think its called market for the infirm-of-thumb ... its called the blackandblueberry.]

Posted by: dcsween | April 6, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

see, the thought process there was about what it was called, then I was thinking about how it was marketed, and I didn't delete enough of the previously typed words ... or add the "ed" in "marketed" ... Bob Dole puts the "ed" in marketed.

Posted by: dcsween | April 6, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Sweet, sween! Maybe you can turn around the mood of the blog which has been paranoid, grumpy and gloomy. Just how much of that smell did you inhale?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 6, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they should market something like "Baby's first BlackBerry" with great big keys. And if they don't, they probably will now and someone other than me will get rich off the idea. Like with the java jackets and the little plugs for the Starbuck's cups. I came up with both of those ideas first.
Enough with the gloom! What's wrong with signing as many players as they can and taking all their draft picks? As I recall, depth would have been nice last year....

Posted by: TheCindy | April 6, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I see nothing wrong with giving a guy a second chance...as long as you don't turn into the Bengals and you're sure that the guy you're going to go after isn't going to be punished again by Goodell (a la Chris Henry; tough to think he won't get some more discipline).

Posted by: TheCindy | April 6, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I see nothing wrong with giving a guy a second chance...

Posted by: TheCindy | April 6, 2008 02:49 PM

I always got along best with women who would give a guy a second chance. Actually, even better were the ones who would give third, fourth, fifth, etc. chances. I always thought of them as slow learners.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 6, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

... paranoid, grumpy and gloomy. ...

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 6, 2008 01:51 PM

Those terms are actually on my resume under the section called "Personal".

Seems like there was an extremely active free agency turnstile this past year for receivers, so while I agree that those turnstiles would have jammed if St. Joe were still here, I don't put too much stock, attribution, credit, blame, aspiration, praise, etc. into the vet minimum signings like Mathis (and the six or seven more such guys to appear on the roster before training camp, followed by the additional five before the end of camp, and the one or two after the cuts to 53).

Also, I invented pump toothpaste ... and got screwed b/c I'm neither a Proctor nor a Gamble ... that and I'm superlazy.

Posted by: celerynut | April 6, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

That's me ... celerynut is an alter ego (my slightly less paranoid, grumpy, gloomy one). And I'm out again.

Posted by: dcsween | April 6, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I wish I smelled smoke. Been way to long since smoke was smelled around here.

I like the Mathis signing. How is having your dogs get out of the yard and excepting the responsiblility for that being criminal. On the other charge, this was dropped and I am not privy to the situation, and they were dropped, so I find it hard to say he has off field problemS.

Why not sign Mathis and see what he can do for our KR game. And if that gives us some manuvering with Betts, what's wrong we that? If he does not work out and is cut, what have we lost? Good signing IMO, and eventually Thrash is going to be replaced.

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 6, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Mathis hasn't been convicted of anything b/c the woman in question left the state and didn't want to deal with pressing charges, hardly an aquittal....

It was a junk signing that hopefully be rendered moot when he is cut after the third preseason game and we groom westbrook's kid brother to take back punts......

But whateves...its April....Flyers v Caps thursday night! I am following sports that are actually being played baybee!

Posted by: chrislarry | April 6, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

CL--

1. Charges dropped is better than an acquittal.

2. Westbrook's bro can return punts. That doesn't affect Mathis -- he only returns kickoffs. Plenty of room for both of them

3. But, yeah, Mathis won't be on the opening day roster. He'll pull a hammie.

4. With you all the way on the Caps and on in-season sports. What's your prediction: how far will they go in the playoffs?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 6, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

mathis is a scuzz any way you cut that pie, but whateves he wont matter....

Caps....hmmm...emotional me says stanley cup in 5 games...BUTT thinking-man me says Flyers are who i wanted least, can the caps sustain the drive after what they accomplished, lack of playoff experience, ghost of playoffs past....

butt having the best player in the sport helps (f sydney crosby) Caps in 7!

Posted by: chrislarry | April 6, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Wheres the information on the pre-draft visits? To my knowledge theres been about 11 guys that the Redskins have sat down with since the combine. Why do I have to go elsewhere to find this out or better yet read through 200+ comments to find out who the Redskins are talking to.

Posted by: milrenkb | April 6, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

"Wheres the information on the pre-draft visits? To my knowledge theres been about 11 guys that the Redskins have sat down with since the combine. Why do I have to go elsewhere to find this out or better yet read through 200+ comments to find out who the Redskins are talking to."

Posted by: milrenkb | April 6, 2008 07:04 PM

Milrenkb, you have unknowingly stumbled onto the Redskins Vendetta (RV) blog, where the main pos(t)er JLC prefers to recycle his criticisms of the team instead of reporting "inside" information.

Posted by: hithere1 | April 6, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Hamsters hasng out here,
RI, place of skins info.
What? Numbers Instead!

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 6, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Blackberry not working,
Because the Thumbs black and blue,
Is Dorf not around?

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 6, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Caps are the main game,
In the land of the Redskins.
How long 'till draft day?

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 6, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Hamsters hasng out here,
RI, place of skins info.
What? Numbers Instead!

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 6, 2008 07:57 PM

SJK!!!!

Hamsters hang out here,
RI, place of skins info.
What? Numbers instead?

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 6, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I connected more dots through another Nats lost (who says we ignore current sports), and this is what I am guessing that Vinny is hoping for:

Mason moves up to #2 or 3 on the depth Chart. They trade Ladell for at least a 3rd (or a 4th/5th next year combo) Rounder by the draft, or use him in a trade for a big WR. Mathis is used as PR and KR. Rock stays because of his ST strength. Thrash is possibly cut in a move to get younger as a team......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Top Ranked CB Set to Meet with Redskins
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ed Thompson
WarpathInsiders.com Apr 6, 2008

The Redskins are continuing to bring in Cornerbacks for a visit. See who is next on the list to visit with team officials.


Troy University cornerback Leodis McKelvin has his bags packed to begin a nine-team NFL tour over the next two weeks that will include the Saints, Buccaneers, Redskins, Falcons, Ravens, Jets, Patriots, Cowboys and Titans.

The 5-foot-10, 190-pound athletic corner, who also excels as a return specialist, has already completed three personal workouts and an official visit.

The New York Jets' defensive backs coach was the first to hold a personal workout with McKelvin back in March.

"He just wanted to see my footwork and my hips, my punch off my press and my athleticism," the elite cornerback told Scout.com during an exclusive interview.


Story URL: http://was.scout.com/2/744068.html

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Mathis is used as PR and KR.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2008 08:15 PM

4th-- Why would the 'Skins project Mathis as a punt returner? He's only returned six punts, in three years in the league, and he averged 6 yards. The man cannot return punts in the NFL. He returns kickoffs. These are two entirely different skill sets.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 6, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Mathis is used as PR and KR.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2008 08:15 PM

4th-- Why would the 'Skins project Mathis as a punt returner? He's only returned six punts, in three years in the league, and he averged 6 yards. The man cannot return punts in the NFL. He returns kickoffs. These are two entirely different skill sets.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 6, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Am I right in saying that if Memphis wins then I win Tournamania, and if Kansas wins, MV Dame wins?

Posted by: kost52 | April 6, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

kost, I think MV Dame wins regardless. She has both teams on her brackett.

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 6, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

kost

Will you be able to see the Monday night game live? And do they have cars and airplanes in Australia?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 6, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

kerzon,

Do you still think that MV Dame is a girl? That's how we separate the newbies from the retirees on RI. MV stands for Martha's Vinyard. Dame is for Notre Dame. He's a Notre Dame graduate who owns Martha's Vinyard. Or maybe he just drinks wine from Martha's Vinyard. I'm a little vague on that, but she's a he, or at least claims to be.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 6, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

TE - I am thinking that Vinny is thinking that this guy can do both, even though he hasn't in the past. Pure hypothesis at the moment until I can get back with my 'sources' and get a different feel.

But, I know this, that they didn't sign this guy just to be a PR and 4th WR. They don't need to waste a roster spot just for that. He is good enough to make the roster, no doubt about that (only one year removed from a pro bowl appearance). He just didn't get RFA offer because of his charges before the start of the FA period.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

She has both teams on her brackett.

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 6, 2008 09:19 PM

Kerzon - Maybe you should go back and start reading either the wiki page or start going back and reading the archives.

You are the 6th person I can remember (I am included as one of them) that has mistaken MVDame as a female. Hilarious.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Kerzon, but MV Dame has selected Kansas to win, he won't get points if Memphis wins it does he?

TE- We don't have airplanes or cars, but we're currently working on some planes so we can fly some cars over. We also have the game on live so I could catch a roo down to the local pub, but I might just record it and watch it when I get home from work.

Posted by: kost52 | April 6, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

4th--

He's two years from the pro bowl, not one. He's been injured most of those two years and only appeared in five games.

He wasn't an RFA. Houston cut him. They didn't make him a tender offer. He can't return punts and he isn't a WR. He has no record in either category. The only thing he's done is to return kickoffs, one year.

He won't make the Redskins roster. He's going to pull a hammie. It's what he's best at.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 6, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

The NFL set a paid attendance record of 22,256,502 (or 66,836 per game) in 2008, and the small-market Chiefs ranked third at 622,541 (77,817), trailing only Washington, which set a league record with 711,471, and the New York Giants, 629,391.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/563093.html

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

kost,

Nice about the roo. Do you have your own? Also nice that you can "record" a game. How does that work? Do you use a Sony Betamax?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 6, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

MV Dame, my apologies.

Guys as usual thanks for the education. Yes, I am a newbie, but have been here long enough to have figured this out by now. Just a bit slow and thrown off by the Dame part today.

Kost, you are correct! Can I blame both of my ignorances on the beer I consumed today?

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 6, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

4th,

Thanks for the link. Can't say I won't make another mistake, but I did bookmark to try and avoid.

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 6, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

TE, no I don't have my own roo, too expensive with the petrol prices these days. I used to have Beta, but I've upgraded to this thing called VHS, it's amazing you should see it!

Kerzon, if you've had beer today, then you are allowed to do what you want without being held accountable!

Posted by: kost52 | April 6, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Kost, thanks. Started my second six pk of Peroni when I tried to do the Haiku's. Now can you tell Mrs. Kerzon about the accountability part?

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 6, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Kerzon, haha I think it's written on the label somewhere? If it isn't it should be!

Posted by: kost52 | April 6, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Kerzon - What do you know about Peroni?! I'm drinking that as I type now!

I love imports not named heineken or becks or Corona.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

4th, my favorite! Unless I need a chaser when drinking Tequila, this is what I drink.

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 6, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

TE - I disagree with your assesement. Also, Mathis only has 3 years in the league, so he was indeed a RFA who wasn't tendered an offer so he became an UFA. Not cut. You are right about the probowl, though.

We may have to wait to look at the terms of the agreement to see what's what. I'm sure he could be cut before the season, but I don't think that's what Vinny would like. He has to validate this turd signing.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

It's all good, kerzon
Apology accepted
Just buy me a beer

- MV Dame

Posted by: mvdame | April 7, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

kost, I've changed my mind
Let the trash talking commence
You is going down!

Posted by: mvdame | April 7, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

Only six you say?
Not right way accounting, 4th
It's in the thousands!

Posted by: mvdame | April 7, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

Tigers will maul Kansas!
Leaving Kost as the winner
Where's my purple dress?

Posted by: kost52 | April 7, 2008 3:46 AM | Report abuse

Umm.... I mean

Tigers maul Kansas
Leaving Kost as the winner!
Where's my purple dress?

Posted by: kost52 | April 7, 2008 3:48 AM | Report abuse

I have a quick thought on some of the rule changes. Based off Mark Maske's report on NFL insider, the direct snap to the QB rule was initially designed as a rule to prevent snaps to other players. Now that the rules changed, can we do some snaps to the HB in Single Back form or even snap it to a Guard?

Posted by: alex35332 | April 7, 2008 6:49 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell, Washington Redskins quarterback and former Auburn University quarterback, will be roasted by former teammates from Auburn. Monday. Reception at 6:30 p.m.; dinner begins at 7:30. The Wynfrey Hotel, Grand Ballroom, Riverchase Galleria. Tickets are $200 per person. Information: 975-5602.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 7, 2008 7:04 AM | Report abuse

Redskins Insider, by Jason La Canfora
The Numbers Don't Lie

Posted at 6:29 AM ET, 04/ 4/2008

The Numbers don't lie Jasno (Cindy?)...

We need a new thread.

Posted by: Dorf | April 7, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

te, lol, you nailed it with Mathis. He'll pull a hemmy, and that will the end of the road for him.

I'd prefer that the Redskins stayed away from players with his baggage, but he appears to be nothing more than training camp fodder.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 7, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

MV, I was unaware what exactly that stood for. Do you actually reside on Martha's? I know a couple guys putting a boat into the Monster tournament this summer, perhaps a meeting could be arranged?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 7, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Our own MV Dame
Neither MV or a dame
perhaps DC Chick?

Posted by: daggar | April 7, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Isn't "catching a roo down at the local pub" some sort of criminal behavior?

Posted by: daggar | April 7, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

is this thing on???

hello??

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 7, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

wow a monday morning and almost a full hour without a post! what is the world coming to?

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 7, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

" ... He wasn't an RFA. Houston cut him. They didn't make him a tender offer. ..."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 6, 2008 09:48 PM

4th (as usual) got this corrected promptly ... (1) Mathis was RFA and (2) not tendering means he became UFA. The only real significance of this to me (now that deadness in free agency has the potential of another compensatory pick ... which can be used on a punter, or perhaps a personal punt protector) is that, if Mathis makes the team and plays any significant amount of time, then it diminishes the number of un-retained Skins' UFAs in the honors calculus problem used to determine compensatory picks.

My other thought ... Brunell will be a starter for the Saints for at least two games ... the odds of any team's starting QB going down for a game or two seem pretty high, esp. with a fairly crappy line like the Saints. Of course, that means Tyler Palko also will probably gets some starts because opposing defenses will try to tackle Brunell by his left labrum ...

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

The reason I mentioned Brunell is b/c I think he will do well for the Skins in the compensatory picks math ...

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

You are the 6th person I can remember (I am included as one of them) that has mistaken MVDame as a female. Hilarious.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2008 09:35 PM

She's a man, baby!

Posted by: skinfanman | April 7, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Just caught up with posts from while I was away. I have to say that JLC's above post does not contain the negativity that people are claiming here. It's also larded with compliments, albeit little, sometimes caveated ones. But I guess with little worth talking about it's not surprising when people overreact a tad.

I would also say that IMHO Mathis is almost certainly a deadbeat (and please don't give me any of that "it depends what you mean by 'is'" weasel-wording on him not having been convicted) and I'm astonished that the Skins would have anything to do with him.

Now just watch me lose my seat at the 'high road' table as the Fins sign PacMan. Please God, no!!

Posted by: Redcoat | April 7, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Don't make me bust out the lyrics to "There is nothing like a dame..." again.

I'll do it. I've done it before.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 7, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

GBN has Jordy Nelson now as the 9th rated WR. He's moving up. If the Skins want him they better take him in the 2nd.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 7, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

MVDame a guy? Next thing your going to tell me is that Charlie Weis is a guy. [Please email us to report offensive comments.]

Skins sign a dead beat?
Numbers don't lie? Still sore thumb?
This is news up here.

What we really need is for someone to paste a link to this weekend's fabled risers and fallers.

You know what else we haven't talked about? That guard for the Texans who plays oboe -- the one from the Super Bowl commercial. Say what you will about Andre Carter on piano or Zorn on viola, you just can't beat a double reed.

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Sween, you still a 'no' for next Sunday?

Posted by: Redcoat | April 7, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

MVDame a guy? Next thing your going to tell me is that Charlie Weis is a guy. [Please email us to report offensive comments.]

Skins sign a dead beat?
Numbers don't lie? Still sore thumb?
This is news up here.

What we really need is for someone to paste a link to this weekend's fabled risers and fallers.

You know what else we haven't talked about? That guard for the Texans who plays oboe -- the one from the Super Bowl commercial. Say what you will about Andre Carter on piano or Zorn on viola, you just can't beat a double reed.

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2008 10:40 AM

Don't forget that Brandon Lloyd is a rapper.

Posted by: jimwell | April 7, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

skinsfan, yeah, I'd spend a 2nd on Jordy. That's got winner/winner written all over it. I'm surprised it took them this long to move him up. I thought he'd go 2nd round all along.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 7, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Say what you will about Andre Carter on piano or Zorn on viola, you just can't beat a double reed.

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2008 10:40 AM

Don't forget that Brandon Lloyd is a rapper.

Posted by: jimwell | April 7, 2008 10:45 AM

The first three seem like they would have had some form of classical training (including the dreaded "practice" at home) ... seems like the latter would be "self-taught".

The thing I liked about the oboe-playing second round choice by the Texans is that he was discovered by that other guy (the seventh round choice) when he was literally bagging groceries. Nothing says "next best thing to be being a free agent" than bagging groceries.

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

GBN has Jordy Nelson now as the 9th rated WR. He's moving up. If the Skins want him they better take him in the 2nd.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 7, 2008 10:39 AM

This reminds me of a post up here a few years back ...

GWB has his wife, Lorena, now as a 2nd rate spouse. She's moving down. If she wants him she better take him to the emergency room stat and put away the cutlery.

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

skinsfan, yeah, I'd spend a 2nd on Jordy. That's got winner/winner written all over it. I'm surprised it took them this long to move him up. I thought he'd go 2nd round all along.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 7, 2008 10:47 AM
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Greg, I posted a couple of weeks ago that I thought J Nelson might not be available for our second round pick. At the time he was projected as a thrid round pick. Again, I am hoping that he is available for our second pick. To me, this guy could be the best of all of the WR in this draft. This guy is solid.

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 7, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Wasn't it 'JWB' sween, or was that a deliberate 'slip of the key'? You're in rare form lately.

Posted by: Redcoat | April 7, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

skinsfan, yeah, I'd spend a 2nd on Jordy. That's got winner/winner written all over it. I'm surprised it took them this long to move him up. I thought he'd go 2nd round all along.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 7, 2008 10:47 AM
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Greg, I posted a couple of weeks ago that I thought J Nelson might not be available for our second round pick. At the time he was projected as a thrid round pick. Again, I am hoping that he is available for our second pick. To me, this guy could be the best of all of the WR in this draft. This guy is solid.


Posted by: kerzon417 | April 7, 2008 11:10 AM

Todd Mcshay actually projects Jordy Nelson to the skins with the 51st pick. He has Nelson as the 6th best. However, if Nelson is ranked 9th or 10th on draft boards he'll should be there early 3rd unless there is a run on WR in the 2nd as people are now projecting only 2-3 WR going in the 1st round.

Posted by: marlonjohn | April 7, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat ... I guess I slipped up ... which I believe was JWB's "official" excuse. Someone was saying the blog was getting gloomy and grumpy, so I've been consciously working on my standup ... the blog equivalent of which would be sitdown.

Just trying to come up with a little jj ... just so that peeps don't get too focused on and enamored with a certain receiver prospect out of Kansas. My primary hope is that guy does NOT get picked by Dallas or Philly (the wailing and gnashing of teeth would be defeaning).

Also, there IS (now) a chance of an appearance on Sunday. Re: Man U ... do they (or whoever they're playing) have any guys formerly from the Portuguese, Spanish, or Greek national teams? That last time I followed futbol, I was in Spain, and Portugal was hosting the Euro cup thing (the one that finished with the Greeks beating the Portuguese). The Portuguese and the Spanish are some of my faves b/c they have lots of guys with one name. Of course, the only one I remember is Figo (I also remember that Brit, Rooney, who I assume has a first name that no one cares about). There was also a Greek guy ... not sure of his name ... maybe Paratestes ... which I think is Greek for "Rabach."

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: jxboyumn4z | April 29, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

The numbers argument in this article is very phony (and I'm finishing my PhD in statistics, so grant me some credibility here). The numbers don't lie, the writer does.

First, you come up with a list in which the Redskins are in "good company" -- aha, 3/5 of this list won the superbowl, we didn't, so we underachieved. Then you come up with a list in which the Redskins are in "bad company" -- aha, 4/5 of this list has had turnover at the GM position. The story smacks of being selective and picking numbers *after* the fact to try to explain success or failure. It's not a bad effort, but it doesn't prove anything.

One could turn the same figures on their head and tell the opposite story -- we're on a list of 3/5 superbowl winners, so we're doing something right and are bound to win the SB next season, and also we're on a list of 4/5 "turmoil" teams, though we still made the playoffs, so we have something special among our capabilities.

It's lovely to try to find explanations for success, or lack thereof, and blaming the front office is a convenient and recurring narrative, but that's all it is--a good "story". It doesn't make it true.

What do I think? There's a lot of luck involved, a lot more than people are willing to admit.

Posted by: IndependenceEveWonderlandBallroom | April 4, 2008 9:17 AM

JLC has been PWN3D

Posted by: RIV | May 4, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

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