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O Line: Plenty of Pain, Less Gain

Jason Reid takes a look at T.W.O.S.T. (the week's other simmering topic): the Redskins' injury-riddled offensive line.

By Cindy Boren  |  December 3, 2008; 9:59 AM ET
 
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Forgot the Giants of course play the Vikes. Figures. Not that it matters, the NFC East is already theirs.

Trading down is the way to go. 3 2nd rounders on linemen would be great. Probably one DE and two Offensive. Then use the 5th and 6th and hope to get one capable starter/backup out of those. Pick up Suggs and a vet 4th WR in FA.

What happened to our 4th rounder?

Slippery and others - if you look at the draft value chart - the 20th pick equates to two mid - second round picks. We prob couldnt trade all with one team, but maybe finnagle something with multiple teams.

As for 10-6, I think it could still get it done. I see Dallas finishing 10-6 (losing to Pitt and NYG). If we lose to Balt but win out, we would have the tiebreaker over them via the 4th tiebreaker (better conference).

I also see Atlanta finishing 10-6, and we would have a better NFC record than them if we win the last 3 games.

I don't think losing this week kills us, but it would sure help to win. Of course, if Dallas beats Pitt, then we REALLY need to win.

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 3, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Title Should be Revised to Read:
O-Line: Just Plain Sucks

Posted by: Soup17 | December 3, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

yeah the OL is just awful, really no excuse.


Down with Rabach and Jansen
Up with Alex Mack and a third round draft pick of either Phil Loadholt, Max Unger, or the Boone kid from THE Ohio State

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 3, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I think the skins make a run at Plaxico in the off season.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 3, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

You'd double clutch too if the only 2 receivers you have worth a damn are doubled every time you drop back to pass. Last year he tried to go to those guys whether they were covered or not. This year he's not. Yeah, he's got fewer TDs but he's got few INTs which means more when you play as many close games as we do. Ask Green Bay fans if they wish Favre double clutched on that last pass in the NFC Championship...


Posted by: brownwood26 | December 3, 2008 9:46 AM

You want him to run the routes and catch the passes too? He can't take a chance when he gets hit 2 seconds into his drop, and he can't force his WRs to make a play for him when he hits them in the numbers.

His performances vs New Orleans, vs Arizona, and @ Dallas should tell you that Campbell has no problem letting it fly. Unfortunately for this offense, it's a team game. Campbell can't do it by himself.

Posted by: psps23 | December 3, 2008 9:46 AM

Calm down people! All I was saying is, I'd rather for him to let it fly some times with out him being 100% sure if the receiver is going to catch it or not. He seems too robotic during certain tense situations, prob by Zorn.

Maybe they should go ahead and extend his contract now, so he can finally throw the darn ball without caring too much about wheter he's going to get paid or not.

I'm not trying to get rid of the guy (there's nothing better out there).

Most of the top QBs have way more INTs than JC17, and a better record, so don't give me that crap you guys are spitting out....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 3, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

What do you want to see more from Jason Campbell?

For me, scramble and take off. Stop taking the sack and RUN!

Posted by: bangkokben | December 3, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

4th,

The worse thing to happen to this team would be interceptions. Every win has been close - even when the 'skins win the turnover battle.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 3, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

It's difficult to let it fly when your right tackle is being hurled at you.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 3, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Rypien11 | December 3, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

That'd all be great except that we don't have a single second round pick right now, trading down would get us a 2nd plus maybe a 3rd but more likely a 4th. We have no 5th or 7th either. we have a 1, 3, 4, 6. That's it. Last year was our stockpile the lines that had been ignored for a decade. And we did really well at it huh?

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 3, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I like to see scramble more as well. I think it makes the pass rushers slow down a tick and honor their rushing lanes.

Posted by: TWISI | December 3, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Hey: we got linemen: Rhinehart/Heyer/Geisinger-- let them play, they can't be any worse than what we got. The Skins must get a speed guy to complement Moss so teams don't roll their coverage to him on 1st down and third and long. And somebody tell Zorn to stop with the 'smoke' screen as it's the worst play for an NFL team to run as the corners tackle too well to make it work regularly.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 3, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Not if you're left-handed. It's all Campbell's fault. Why can't he just learn to throw it with his left hand?

Posted by: bangkokben | December 3, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Calm down people! All I was saying is, I'd rather for him to let it fly some times with out him being 100% sure if the receiver is going to catch it or not.

Exactly, 4th has it nailed. If teams are doubling both Cooley and Moss, then you have the opportunity to exploit a one-on-one matchup. You win that battle twice, and suddenly Cooley isn't doubled anymore.
Now, I realize Kelly will probably drop it everytime. But you have to make the pass as if he could catch it.

Posted by: daggar | December 3, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Game Plan v. the Ravens = Field Position

Therefore, we punt on every first down.

Posted by: Soup17 | December 3, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Dallas is not going the rest of the season unscathed. With our tiebreakers, we should be able to get in with an 11-5 record. 10-6, however, will not get it done.

Posted by: psps23 | December 3, 2008 9:51 AM

Dude...be real. Dallas has Baltimore, Pittsburgh, NY and Philly left. If they win more than 2 of those I'll be shocked. The only thing I'm worried about is the NFC South because two of those teams are going to the playoffs.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 3, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

if we could somehow get two seconds that would be great, only if they sign impact guys at Dline in free agency, if not, I say stay in round 1 and get an impact guy there. If we sign Haynesworth or Peppers or both then trade down and go Oline, if we sign Oline and LB help stay in round 1 and go Dline. Pretty much what I'm saying is the teams needs impact players on the dline one way or another, once you drop out of the first round it gets less and less likely to find impact guys.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 3, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

ZJFR2 - Yes, thats why I suggested trading out of the first - a 20th pick in the draft is worth two mid second rounders, and depending on position, etc, we could work that 3rd in there to make it 3 2nd rounders. Again, it wouldnt be all with one team probably, but we could make something happen. We SHOULD.

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 3, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Pretty much what I'm saying is the teams needs impact players on the dline one way or another, once you drop out of the first round it gets less and less likely to find impact guys.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 3, 2008 10:22 AM

Jack,

What percentage of first round D Linemen turn out to be "impact players" and what percentage of second rounders?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 3, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

The way the tie-breakers are set-up if Dallas, Washington, Atlanta and Carolina all end up 11-5; the South would get one wc and the east one. The 'skins would then likely get in with the better conference record over Dallas.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 3, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

+++tdog, are you kidding me about drafting a wr next year??

From what I've read about Robinson, he's lazy, and doesn't work out, or work hard at his craft.

Posted by: BeantownGreg |+++

Looks like he'd be right at home with Kelly & Thomas, who showed up out of shape and can't learn the offense.

Posted by: TheCork | December 3, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Torrence level beep beep

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 3, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I think the skins make a run at Plaxico in the off season.

Posted by: Original_etrod

So you're saying they they should give him a shot?

Posted by: TheCork | December 3, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Therefore, we punt on every first down.

Posted by: Soup17 | December 3, 2008 10:19 AM

If Zorn stays stubborn, this may be a good idea. But come on, you can't put in more than 2 or 3 formations? We're tsalking about formations.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 3, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

"if we could somehow get two seconds that would be great, only if they sign impact guys at Dline in free agency, if not, I say stay in round 1 and get an impact guy there. If we sign Haynesworth or Peppers or both then trade down and go Oline, if we sign Oline and LB help stay in round 1 and go Dline. Pretty much what I'm saying is the teams needs impact players on the dline one way or another, once you drop out of the first round it gets less and less likely to find impact guys.

Posted by: zjfr2"

You live in a Madden world. If we sign Haynesworth or Pepper OR BOTH? Ummm, zero chance of that. Probably won't sign either of them.

And I'm pretty sure we've had this conversation, there would be zero reason to draft a DL over an OL this year in the first round. Top 5 defense Vs. Bottom 5 offense. Our D is great despite our weak D line, our O is awful because of our weak O line.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 3, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

+++Title Should be Revised to Read:
O-Line: Just Plain Sucks

Posted by: Soup17 | December 3, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

yeah the OL is just awful, really no excuse.


Down with Rabach and Jansen

Up with Alex Mack and a third round draft pick of either Phil Loadholt, Max Unger, or the Boone kid from THE Ohio State

Posted by: TheTruth11+++ |

NFLDraftdog.com's early mock has four of the top seven picks OTs...

The Redskins Oline is old and small. It got beat up knocking heads against big young defenses. What did you expect near the end of the season? They're worn down and worn out.

What's in the wings and ready to replace 'em? Um, well there's UFA Heyer who's not so hot with the run blocking and Chad Rinehart, the last OL taken since Molinaro. And um, Geisinger who was almost cut and, um....anyone got Todd Wade's phone number?


Posted by: TheCork | December 3, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

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