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The Other Numbers Game; Smoot Update

What number will Jason Taylor (No. 99 in Miami) wear? Coach Jim Zorn says the issue has been resolved and will be announced at the press conference (time to be determined) today.
"That was a discussion," Zorn said, "and it's important to these guys."

Perhaps he politely asked Andre Carter for 99. Or perhaps he forked over some major coinage. Or maybe he just took another number. Carter said he had yet to talk to Taylor about a switch, a transaction that usualy involves a considerable amount of money changing hands:

"We'll see once [owner] Dan Snyder comes to talk to me," Carter quipped.

Asked if they could decide the matter with a dance contest, Carter demurred: "He'd prohably beat me. That salsa stuff, I can't do that." ...

CB Fred Smoot was able to practice fully today, more quickly than expected, a day after rolling his ankle.. "He did a great job today," Coach Jim Zorn said. "He was out there giving 100 percent." ...

Another element of the trade to keep in mind: Daniel Snyder is trying to become a player in Hollywood, through his production deal with Tom Cruise and purchase of Dick Clark Productions. And Jason Taylor is obviously flirting with Hollywood and aspires to big things there.

And Taylor's agent, Gary Wichard,used to represent Brian Bosworth and is into the Hollywood producing thing. Wichard's close relationship with Vnny Cerrato is no secret around the NFL ...So it would surprise no one if Snyder ends up helping foster Taylor's aspirations, introducing him to Tom Cruise or Peter Berg or his other contacts.

That in turn makes Taylor feel even better about being here, and he knows that doing whatever he wants in the offseason be frowned on. In fact, Snyder could be very good for Taylor's post-football dreams.

So it makes plenty of sense from that standpoint as well.

By Cindy Boren  |  July 21, 2008; 11:09 AM ET
 
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Posted by: Chili Pepper | July 21, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Pantalones

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Romo is a dead man!

Posted by: Ohgeez | July 21, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Nice, we got another hollywood actor. Wonder how Taylor feels about playing football?

Posted by: Just Sayzin is all... | July 21, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Check out J.Taylor's newest show, "So You Think You Can Be A Redskin", next summer on whatever network Snyder buys next.

Posted by: Alex35332 | July 21, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Cindy/Janso...


Not a usual basher, but can we get some non D-line newz as well??

Posted by: chris larry | July 21, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

numbered nads?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse


In othre camp injurr news, Casey Rabach tore a Pelota Muscle donning his jock, Jason Campbell tweaked a hammie squatting while passing, and Chris Cooley suffered a non-football injury. Captain Chaos said his lingering groin pull was Honeymoon-related but he expects to be back in action today. And tonight..

Posted by: Rodney | July 21, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

" The smarter move would have been to stick with the new philosophy of building through the draft. Sure teh skins would have a tough year--they will anyway as they learn a new offense and under a rookie coach. But they would have had a naerly full slate of picks next year, to continue rebuilding.

Now, all they are doing is going back to the Bad Old Days.

Posted by: Corkczar | July 21, 2008 9:49 AM"

I agree with your opinion on this (I even posted it right off the bat when I found out about this trade). But that doesn't mean that adding Jason Taylor makes us a greater liability on defense than what we had with Daniels (as you seemed to be alluding to with your run-Defense posts). Jason Taylor clearly upgrades our defensive line, that shouldn't even be an argument. Whether or not we gave up too much is a different question.

Posted by: psps23 | July 21, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

"... Another element of the trade to keep in mind: Daniel Snyder is trying to become a player in Hollywood, through his production deal with Tom Cruise and purchase of Dick Clark Productions. ..." - Jasno

Not to mention his promotion to Exec. VP, Vincent Cerrato, formerly of Hollywood in his role as "Antonelli" in "Kindergarten Ninja."

Posted by: dcsween | July 21, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

This should be called tool bags insider. The media never misses an oppertunity to jump all over the redskins for everything they do. When even the slanted redskins hating media says this is a good move it might just be. P.S even Johny Clayton wrote sometihng about this move. If you can get JC to write about something over than how Peyton Mannings nuts taste than you have done something correct.

The media loves Taylor maybe this move will get the redskins a little love for once. Im sick of watchign ESPN do a run down of the NFC East and have 14 of the 15 mins be about the other three teams then a quick follow up of "and the redskins are also int he nfceast as the evaluation"

They never have highlight its like they don't even exist. yet they have made the playoffs 2 of the past 3 years.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

psps23, nice post. I've been on the defense of this trade all morning because some people are twisting the argument to make it appear that Taylor's presence on the D-Line will hurt the Skins.
With that being said, I can see your point and only time will tell if the picks given up are worth Taylor's production.

Posted by: Matt | July 21, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Jason Taylor clearly upgrades our defensive line, that shouldn't even be an argument. Whether or not we gave up too much is a different question.

Posted by: psps23 | July 21, 2008 11:29 AM

The nail has been hit on the head.

Posted by: CBT | July 21, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of Hollywood. Saw "The Dark Knight" and "MamaMia" last weekend. I was more frightened by the single grown man in the home made batman outfit (looked more like catwoman from the old Batman 2,) than the 20+ gay men in Mama Mia, who were dancing in their row, though I did start laughing as they started crying.

Posted by: 35332 | July 21, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: the_squire | July 21, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

How can anyone claim a 2nd round pick is too much for a probowl player? The man is the most versitle player at his position in the NFL he does things that other defensive ends would be lucky to do once in a career regularly. When the man gets in there and changes this defense people will no longer be complaining. He will be number 1 in jersey sales this year.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Is it just me or is distance a horrible stat to keep for punters... shouldn't it just be "how close to the goal line"?

Posted by: Dik | July 21, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

This is great TMZ material. So far I've learned that this move to the Skins is going to do wonders for Taylor's acting career. It will give him exposure to movie stars, and cuddling up with Snyder means doors will open in Hollywood. The agent has a Hollywoodish background as well...great. Throw in a couple of over-used-not-so-funny references to "Dancing with the Stars" and we're all set. Fine.

Does someboy out there want to talk about the footballing side of this? How do we think he'll do fitting into the D-scheme? What does the switch to left side mean? Maybe ask a coach how this will change their philosophy if at all?

Posted by: p1funk | July 21, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

psps23,

Excellent post. People comparing JTaylor to Bruce Smith and trying to argue that Taylor will get run over are completely bonkers.

Daniels is a decent starting DE, and I like him as both a player and a person. But let's not get carried away comparing him favorably to a guy who will go down as one of the best DEs ever. Bruce Smith was already sliding into mediocrity when The Danny got him. JT hasn't hit that point yet.

Posted by: jcabana | July 21, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I'll be the first to predict this: The Redskins will have a ProBowl DE this year....Andre Carter!!!

Posted by: GreyHairedFatso | July 21, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Dik, that wouldn't work because of the fact that some teams are more offensively efficient in failures (i.e. they may be at a different spot on the field consistently compared to other punters). Some punters are frequently pinned in their own endzone, and will frequently get the ball only to midfield, whereas someone punting from their own 45 yard line might get it to the opponents 10. Two punts with similar distances but extremely different with your proposed statistic.

Posted by: Karen | July 21, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Kevin Sheehan and Doc Walker @ Noon instead of LArry Michael?

Sweet! I take back what I said earlier.....

Posted by: 4th | July 21, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, are you gonna head over to the Park at any point and check out a Skins practice? I figure now you have extra incentive since you'd be able to watch JT in person. Even for a non Skins fan, I think the whole experience is worthwhile. Its really interesting to watch a football team being assembled.

Posted by: swb | July 21, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

How can anyone claim a 2nd round pick is too much for a probowl player? The man is the most versitle player at his position in the NFL he does things that other defensive ends would be lucky to do once in a career regularly. When the man gets in there and changes this defense people will no longer be complaining. He will be number 1 in jersey sales this year.

Posted by: | July 21, 2008 11:49 AM

It's only worth it if adding the pro bowl player translates into what you deem as "success" for the team.

If you honestly feel this team was a serious contender for the title, then adding a player the caliber of Jason Taylor for a 2nd rounder is a no-brainer.

However, if you feel this team has too many question marks surrounding it to truly be considered a contender, then adding one pro bowl player probably won't be enough to change the team's fortunes. In that case, you would've given up a 2nd rounder for this guy, and in two years - when the team is ready to answer its questions - you would have nothing to show for it (if he presumably retires).

Personally, I don't think the skins aren't contenders, but I'm also not foolish enough to believe they're at the top of the list either. Nothing would surprise me this season, they could go 13-3 or they could go 5-11 and neither would be truly shocking. Jason Taylor is a great player, and he'll surely help the defense and make the next two years more exciting, but I would've preferred to "gamble" by using lower-caliber replacements this year, and truly addressing the long-term situation next offseason.

Posted by: psps23 | July 21, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

This is a pitiful excuse for a so called local paper and Insider blog. Synder's trying to get into Hollywood and that's why Taylors here??? F'n pathetic. Go buy some heels so that you can be taller than 5'5" and feel better about yourself. This is pathetic. WOuld it kill somebody to have so news on how the 10 F'N rookies look? How's the D look? How's Campbell progressing? SOME USEFUL INFO!!!

Posted by: Don't know what an Insider is | July 21, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, are you gonna head over to the Park at any point and check out a Skins practice? I figure now you have extra incentive since you'd be able to watch JT in person.

Posted by: swb | July 21, 2008 12:08 PM

I'm really tempted swb, but right now I'm in the middle of financial planning at work right now, so I have no time available. If there are any sessions after we've finished that I may come along, if only to wear my Marino (or maybe even a Taylor shirt) shirt and wish JT well.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 21, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

But anyway, JT's a redskin now. Gotta love him. And I'm definitely excited for the prospect of this upcoming season. New system, new coach, new youth, new recent NFL DPOY, and new health for the team (hopefully); what is there not to be excited about?

Posted by: psps23 | July 21, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Um, a member of Insider Nation sees "Mamma Mia!" and you're just going to let that slide?????
I thought "The Dark Knight" was terrific, despite you-know-who's teensy teeth.

Posted by: Cindy | July 21, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

"And Taylor's agent, Gary Wichard,used to represent Brian Bosworth and is into the Hollywood producing thing. Wichard's close relationship with Vnny Cerrato is no secret around the NFL ...So it would surprise no one if Snyder ends up helping foster Taylor's aspirations, introducing him to Tom Cruise or Peter Berg or his other contacts."

That is why I will always view JLC as a tool. Do you really thing that Jason Taylor needs Dan Snyder to introduce him to Tom Cruise or Peter Berg. Jason Taylor is an NFL Star. He could introduce Dan Snyder to a lot more people in Hollywood than Dan Snyder can to him. If Jason Taylor called Tom Cruise today and had never met him Tom Cruise would call back in a heartbeat. For media in this city to run with that notion that his acting career will be enhanced by Sndyer is beyond stupid and just plain small minded thinking.

Posted by: CVille | July 21, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Everyone has been talking about our undersized Dline not being able to hold up in the NFC East. Has anyone actually looked at the weight of 4 of the starting 6 other defensive ends in the div? the eagles and giants have both starting ends listed below 270. The cowboys are the only team that doesn't and as we all know everyone ont he cowboys is oversized slobs.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Elfin to da Post | July 21, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

For media in this city to run with that notion that his acting career will be enhanced by Sndyer is beyond stupid and just plain small minded thinking.

Posted by: CVille | July 21, 2008 12:21 PM

Dan Snyder has a deal with Tom Cruise to produce movies together, and Snyder has purchased Dick Clark Productions. He's not just a talking head. He's an actual producer who could theoretically put Jason Taylor into movies, etc. All this baseless JLC bashing gets annoying after a while.

Posted by: psps23 | July 21, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

sup peeps?

a lot of troll blogging today... looks like it's about spilt RE: Jasno Taylor.

i'm happy that we got him but wished that season ending injuries didn't occur on the FIRST DAY of camp! Damnation!

anyway, i look forward to him playing with the redskins and if he only generates half of his production from last year, i think overall the D-line is still better off than it was last year.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 21, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Taylor Prop Bet

Redskins 360
POSTED July 21 2008 11:35 AM
BY Ryan O'Halloran Print


Our buddy Jimmy Shapiro sent along the newest prop bet at www.bodoglife.com regarding the Redskins-Jason Taylor trade.

How many Sacks will Jason Taylor have in the 2008 Season? Over 10.5
Under 10.5

I'm taking the over. I'll go with 12.5

http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2008/Jul/21/taylor-prop-bet/

Posted by: Elfin to da Post | July 21, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

This is a pitiful excuse for a so called local paper and Insider blog. Synder's trying to get into Hollywood and that's why Taylors here??? F'n pathetic. Go buy some heels so that you can be taller than 5'5" and feel better about yourself. This is pathetic. WOuld it kill somebody to have so news on how the 10 F'N rookies look? How's the D look? How's Campbell progressing? SOME USEFUL INFO!!!

Posted by: Don't know what an Insider is | July 21, 2008 12:10 PM

Amen, whats next a Paris Hilton update?

Posted by: Tom Flick | July 21, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

++++Jason Taylor clearly upgrades our defensive line, that shouldn't even be an argument.

Posted by: psps23 | July 21, 2008 11:29 AM++++

I choose to argue your point. I concede Taylor obviously improves the pass rush significantly at LDE. Taylor is a better pass rusher than Daniels, a given.

When Daniels moves inside on passing downs and a Wilson, say, played end, the questions isn't quite as clear. Is Taylor/Golston better than Daniels/Wilson. Undoubtedly, but London Fletcher particularly bemoaned not having Daniels available at DT.

But on RUNNING plays their shouldn't be an argument either. Daniels was significantly better. While Taylor was doing the Samba this offseason, Daniels was entering weight lifting contests.

Now you tell me what better qualifies a defender to stop the run in the NFC East?

Posted by: Corkczar | July 21, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Cindy | July 21, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

And, here's a column from the Miami perspective:

http://www.miamiherald.com/459/story/611566.html

Posted by: Cindy | July 21, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Daniels has been often hurt and rarely effective for the past three years. Given that the Skins were desperate for a starting DE -- who would you rather have? Evans -- an average, backup DE; Wilson -- a pass rusher; Jackson -- a rookie 7th rounder; James -- recovering from injury and will not start practicing until the end of training camp; another FA (e.g. worn down Mike Rucker); or Taylor -- a proven pass rusher (10 sack/yr avg) and an AFC pro-bowl DE last year...

Trading the future second and sixth round picks this year is equivalent to giving up a low-to-mid-third round pick next year (assuming the Skins make the playoffs again). Even if the Skins get Taylor for 2 years -- at 8mil/year -- it's a pretty good deal + he should be a rushing terror against slower RTs and reduce double teams against the rest of the DL.

The Skins defense will be significantly improved with a DL line of Carter, Griffin, Montgomery, and Taylor! A more balanced pass defense should result in less time for (long) completions. The rush defense was always predicated on team tackling, with DL occupying blockers and LBs/DBs filling gaps. However, Taylor is faster and much better at solo tackling than Daniels, so we could see more runners being stopped behind the line this year.

Posted by: Siris | July 21, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

You think he should put J.Taylor just to pay respect to the other Taylor we had on the field?

Posted by: Al | July 21, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

++++Bruce Smith was already sliding into mediocrity when The Danny got him. JT hasn't hit that point yet.

Posted by: jcabana | July 21, 2008 12:04 PM++++

Hey, what's your rush? He hasn't even reported to camp, yet.

Posted by: Corkczar | July 21, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Until SWB can post his Taylor pix, enjoy:

http://www.miamiherald.com/899/gallery/440914.html

Posted by: Cindy | July 21, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Cindy,
My gf was begging me to see MammaMia with her, only reason I went.

Posted by: Alex35332 | July 21, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

The Truth has a quick question. The Truth wants to know why the fuss over JT being "only" a 2 year player (possibly). The Truth asks how long everyone here thinks Clinton Portis has left? The Truth can't see Portis being around for 4 years on the same level he's been on. The Truth is honestly giving Portis 3 years at the most producing on the same level.

Posted by: The Truth | July 21, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the links Cindy. lmao that the mates are calling Fred Big Sleepy or Z's

lol

"The highlight of the first-day hazing--besides veterans calling Fred Davis "Big Sleepy" and "Z's"--was last night at dinner, when the rooks were supposed to stand up on a chair and sing. Davis declined; "I just didn't know any songs off the top of my head to sing, because I'm not really a great singer," he said."

Posted by: Leevi | July 21, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the links Cindy. lmao that the mates are calling Fred Big Sleepy or Z's

lol

"The highlight of the first-day hazing--besides veterans calling Fred Davis "Big Sleepy" and "Z's"--was last night at dinner, when the rooks were supposed to stand up on a chair and sing. Davis declined; "I just didn't know any songs off the top of my head to sing, because I'm not really a great singer," he said."

Posted by: Leevi | July 21, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Oh, all right. I can't stay outraged at you, Alex. Besides, you saw the batman.

Posted by: Cindy | July 21, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Also, The Truth is predicting yet another Pro Bowl appearance for the newest Redskin!


The Truth dances!

Posted by: The Truth | July 21, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Ha. The court has overturned the FCC's $500,000 fine of CBS for showing Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction" during the halftime of the 2004 Super Bowl. They said the FCC had been "abritrary and capricious." Maybe next year, we can get some real nudity during the halftime show, and I don't mean ZZ Top.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 21, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

But on RUNNING plays their shouldn't be an argument either. Daniels was significantly better. While Taylor was doing the Samba this offseason, Daniels was entering weight lifting contests.
Now you tell me what better qualifies a defender to stop the run in the NFC East?
Posted by: Corkczar | July 21, 2008 12:50 PM

Not sure what you are asking here; are you saying Taylor would be a better fit if he had been in powerlifitng contests rather than a dancing contest? Trying not to seem too argumentative here, but somebody who can walk/dance is better qualified than someone who is really strong but can't walk. Maybe Daniels should have been working harder on his flexibility. Could be his powerlifting hurt his legs/knees if he didn't even make it out of the first play of training camp. If Taylor comes out and gets pushed around like a girl, you can criticize his offseason, til then, we've got a stud DE that I don't think you can prove is bad against the run. He might not be able to switch to DT on any given play, but the opposong offenses are going to have to account for him on every play. Can you say the same for Daniels?

Posted by: dlhaze | July 21, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Can we get a report on day two activities?

Posted by: jm220 | July 21, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

New Topic:

"Generation Kill" on HBO is as good as it gets. Episode 1 set the hook. Episode II was freaking brilliant.

The "wandering soldier" and the sniper sequence were amazing. The ambush sequence was as exciting as anythign Cameron or Spielberg have put onscreen in T-II or "Saving Private Ryan."

It helps immensely if you've read the great book it's based on, because they make no attempt to translate the lingo, or explain the show, or describe tactics, or spell out the Acronyms. You keep hearing things like "We're Oscar Mike" and may wonder what it means. ("on the move")

(That inside stuff was a problem with "The Wire" which the same producers did, at least for me.)

It isn't pro-war or anti-war in attitude it just reports what happened to these recon Marines. And it will blow you away.

The performances are universally excellent. I particularly like "The Godfather" who got throat cancer despite not smoking. "Just lucky I guess," he says.

And the Top Kick Sergeant who constantly mangles the language.

Original episodes are Sundays. (seven in all). But check with HBO, theyre rerunning both parts i and 2.

Posted by: Corkczar | July 21, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

And, here's a column from the Miami perspective:

http://www.miamiherald.com/459/story/611566.html

Posted by: Cindy | July 21, 2008 12:52 PM

He called their fans "Dolfans" LOL

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Finally, common sense previals!!!! She was nekkid for all of, what, 9/16ths of a second????

Posted by: Cindy | July 21, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Been away from the blog a while, but the events of Day 1 require an informed opinion. MINE. Taylor was expensive, but not unreasonable. The ultimate value will be determined by how many years he plays at a high level. One and its a so-so deal. Two and the Skins got decent value. Three and its a steal.

I saw only one poster who hit on a VERY VERY VERY salient point. Carter and Taylor play the same position. Taylor is being flipped to the other side. THAT IS NOT AN EASY TRANSITION. A number of years ago, Chris Doleman was traded from Minn(?) to SF. Doleman is still among the all-time sack leaders. SF switched him from one side to the other, the EXACT same move that the Skins are doing with Taylor. Doleman was a complete bust ... until the 49ers moved him back to his old position. The result? Doleman instantly returned to form, a compete stud.

There should be a backup plan if Taylor struggles. Carter to LB (which he doesn't want) and Taylor to Carter's position.

Deep down, though, I would love to see Taylor play ...wait for it ... safety. Imagine having a guy that size that can hit that hard back there. I know he doesn't have the speed, but the Skins keep everything in front of them. Can anyone imagine TO going over the middle with Jason Taylor lining him up? Me neither. With LL on the other side, there'd be alligator arms all over the place. OK, back to reality ...

The Skins needed to make a move with Daniels going down. I'm not a fan of the Spaghetti Gang (Dan+Vinny), but they made a good call here.

Clearly, the comments made (by me and several others), criticizing the draft for failing to significantly address our 'aging' positions (LB, OL, DL) are showing some insight.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | July 21, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Finally, common sense previals!!!! She was nekkid for all of, what, 9/16ths of a second????

Posted by: Cindy | July 21, 2008 1:11 PM

Well, not exactly. Since the video was replayed over 14 million times, she was "nekkid" for nearly a week altogether.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 21, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

But on RUNNING plays their shouldn't be an argument either. Daniels was significantly better. While Taylor was doing the Samba this offseason, Daniels was entering weight lifting contests.
Now you tell me what better qualifies a defender to stop the run in the NFC East?
Posted by: Corkczar | July 21, 2008 12:50 PM

So basically you are looking for say the greatest DE of All Time that can dominate the pass rush as well as the run.....

Because brother...if your hating on the Skins trading for Taylor and saying that Daniels, who you claim is better at stopping the run was a better situation for the team...then why didn't it work out with dominate play on that side the last 4 years and probowl appearences ...hell Taylor has more sacks since 2000 alone...than all the players who played at DE on that side combined!

I think it is the age of Free agency....I think you try and balance with at least one nice Fa need pick up a year...and then draft...I think the Skins had an excellent offseason...

This Daniels injury..tunred out the best way it could under the circumstances.


How can you not like this trade? :)

Posted by: Leevi | July 21, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

FYI, Jasno is chatting right now.

Posted by: Cindy | July 21, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Did The Truth just hear someone request JT play Safety?


The Truth is bewildered.

Posted by: The Truth | July 21, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

The Truth likes the Taylor trade?

Posted by: Leevi | July 21, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't Aikman Batman??

Strong presence on the Blog taday, Cyn! WTG-BOGO!

Posted by: Dik | July 21, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

The Taylor trade IS the Truth.

Posted by: Dik | July 21, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Finally, common sense previals!!!! She was nekkid for all of, what, 9/16ths of a second????


Posted by: Cindy | July 21, 2008 1:11 PM

what is this referring to?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, the comments made (by me and several others), criticizing the draft for failing to significantly address our 'aging' positions (LB, OL, DL) are showing some insight.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | July 21, 2008 1:11 PM

How many "aging" positions can they address in one draft? In this one they addressed their weakest "aging position," WR. They added an OL in the third. They added a DL in the seventh and traded for one with Minny. Admittedly, both are long shots, but they only had four picks in the first three rounds.

They took multiple DBs, which is an "aging" position. They only had 10 draft picks, and my impression that the only guy they took that wasn't a real need was the TE. And, until we see how they use him, it's hard to argue that it was a mistake.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 21, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

TE,

Ok... so you flopped on the merits of the formerly hypothetical Jason Taylor acquisition.

I'm guilty as well; only worse. I was initially pro Taylor when the speculation first began so many moons ago, then flipped to the anti Taylor camp, and have now flopped back to side that says we need a hefty pass rush. As much as I loathe the Gints, I love what they did to Brady in the Super Bowl.

Been crazy busy and broke with work and had my internet shut down for an extended period, which explains my absence from RI.

I owe, I owe, I owe, so off to work I go...


Posted by: Chia Pet | July 21, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Former Dolphins Taylpr and Thomas part of Skins-Boys rivalry

Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas, who are best friends and brothers-in-law, will now meet in one of the NFL's biggest rivalries when Thomas' new team (the Cowboys) plays Taylor's new team (the Redskins) on Sept. 28.

-- Miami Herald

Posted by: 4th | July 21, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Finally, common sense previals!!!! She was nekkid for all of, what, 9/16ths of a second????
Posted by: Cindy | July 21, 2008 1:11 PM

Nekkid, for 9/16's of a second? My old colleague, Craig Hosoda, used to capture that for people. He did the "Bare Facts Video Guide" long before a 'me too' version of it showed up in Knocked Up. Spent all of his away from work time (where he programmed equipment to whiz and whir for among others Industrial Light and Magic), looking at videos, recording scenes and rating them. Even catching the body doubles.

Unfortunately, constant exposure to, ummm exposure, came with its own set of problems. As others warned Craig, if you do that too much, you'll go blind. Oh well, he stopped producing his guide several years ago and entered the world of venture capital.

And strangely enough, its all ... TRUE !!

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | July 21, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

my .02:

I'm not unhappy at all with this trade. If we can get 2 productive years out of JT then a 2nd and a 6th will be OK with me. Frankly, we couldhave been fleced for much more. We lost 2 guys that played the same position on the same day. How often does that happen? Parcells knew we were desparate and still gave him up for not much more than anyone else had offered.

Clearly the trade had to be made, given the situation.

On the flip side, we have to examine why we were in that situation in the first place. DL was pretty much ignored during the off season with the exception of a 7th round pick and a 50/50 signing of Erasmus James. We left ourselves vulnerable to something like this, as unlikeley as it was to happen. I've thought that next years draft would be the one to address the DL, but now I know it has to be.

Posted by: etrod | July 21, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Chia,

I'm just glad that I flopped before I read the Peter King analysis of the trade. He made it seem like a no-brainer for the 'Skins to make the trade. It always pleases me to independently come out on the same side as Peter King, except for the times when he's wrong, of course.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 21, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, the comments made (by me and several others), criticizing the draft for failing to significantly address our 'aging' positions (LB, OL, DL) are showing some insight.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | July 21, 2008 1:11 PM

How many "aging" positions can they address in one draft? In this one they addressed their weakest "aging position," WR. They added an OL in the third. They added a DL in the seventh and traded for one with Minny. Admittedly, both are long shots, but they only had four picks in the first three rounds.

They took multiple DBs, which is an "aging" position. They only had 10 draft picks, and my impression that the only guy they took that wasn't a real need was the TE. And, until we see how they use him, it's hard to argue that it was a mistake.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 21, 2008 1:21 PM

Great Post Talent Evaluator!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

But on RUNNING plays their shouldn't be an argument either. Daniels was significantly better. While Taylor was doing the Samba this offseason, Daniels was entering weight lifting contests.

Posted by: Corkczar | July 21, 2008 12:50 PM

Personally, I admittedly don't know enough about JT to truly analyze his effectiveness against the run. But, I have never heard that he is a liability against the run, and the same can't be said about a lot of other pass-rushing ends. He's much like Strahan in that respect.

Also, I'm curious to see a true analysis of our run defense last year - whether running to Carter's side was significantly more effective than running to Daniels' side. I don't deny that Daniels was a quality run-stuffer, but I don't buy that Carter got pushed around (and I don't buy that presumably Taylor will too). I also don't buy that Daniels is "significantly better" stopping the run than Taylor is.

And Daniels wasn't exactly Justin Tuck stepping into the DT role on passing downs. He was solid, but Taylor/any of our DTs is a better tandem than Daniels/Wilson. Heck, on clear passing downs, you can even bring in Wilson and rotate Carter inside. Try stopping that foursome (Wilson - Griffin - Carter - Taylor).

My personal opinion even before the draft was that our weakest position on the field was DE, and our weakest starter among the entire team was Phillip Daniels. I would no doubt love to have Daniels as a rotational DE/DT, but as a starter he was average (except for the Minn game, where he was exceptional).

Posted by: psps23 | July 21, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

++++Redcoat, are you gonna head over to the Park at any point and check out a Skins practice? I figure now you have extra incentive since you'd be able to watch JT in person.
Posted by: swb | July 21, 2008 12:08 PM++++


In person? He hasn't even picked up his ballet slip..I mean cleats yet

Posted by: Cotkczar | July 21, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

The 1:29 was NOT me.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 21, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Great mistype (I think) from Jasno on his chat...

"... maybe they have to chose between Trash and Mix."

I hope he meant 'Thrash'!!

Posted by: Redcoat | July 21, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: swb | July 21, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

+++If Jason Taylor called Tom Cruise today and had never met him Tom Cruise would call back in a heartbeat+++--CVille


Unless he's a practicing Thetan, Taylor would be returned by Paula Wagner .

Posted by: L. Ron Hubadubdub | July 21, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

+++anyway, i look forward to him playing with the redskins and if he only generates half of his production from last year, i think overall the D-line is still better off than it was last year.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 21, 2008 12:31 PM++++


5.5 sacks and can't stop the run? Yeah, gimme some more of that!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Now we have a jazz pianist and Right DE and a salsa dancer Left DE. What i really want is for the two of them to meet simultaneously at the intersection of Tony and Romo Streets. After sacking Romo, they both get up and celebrate with those little signuatre rituals players love to use. Andre will simulate playing the piano and Jason will do a spicy little dance move--one on each side of the crumpled QB.

Posted by: Cookie | July 21, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

the 'Skins went from 7-9 to 8-8 with the trade. BTW, Jason won't be in any films produced by Snyder and featuring Cruise. Those two set up a partnership to produce a series of shorts.

Posted by: pente | July 21, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

++++How can you not like this trade? :)

Posted by: Leevi | July 21, 2008 1:15 PM+++

Fair question. Part of it, I admit may be my emotional reaction to what I perceive as Snyderatto going back to the bad old days.

Remember them? Remember the excitement at bringing in Deion and Brunell and Bruce Smith and Duckett and Archuletta and Lloyd? Everyone was upset at people who said they overpaid for guys on the downslope.

Now for the past two years, the FO has, I BELIEVE returned to reason. Acquire draft picks. Make smart trades. Stay away from expensive FA.

When the skins suffered a devastating injury as they did with daniels, they could have continued that way. (If they didn't pounce within six hours, maybe Taylor at least would have dropped in cost to a fourth rounder,and we wouldn't have this discussion).

Or the skins would have used Demetric Evans to start and seen what Wilson and Jackson could provide. Or someone cut by another team. What about Erasmus James?

NEXT DRAFT the Redskins will need to replenish linebackers, CBs and the offensive line, in all likelihood. And already, they are chipping away at the draft picks available.

I dont' believe the redskins can contend this year with or without Taylor. Too much learning curve for a ROOKIE coach moving up from a POSITION COACH job, an inexperienced QB and rookie receivers galore.

Also, it's an aging team. Lose a starter first day. What maks you think that will be the only one? What if Smoot or Springs goes down for the season How much cap is left for replacing them? CB is a potential disaster area.

Also, Taylor goes Hollywood when the young guys are coming into their own. All except the second rounder, they won't have.

And another thing. Hate Parcells or not, he knows the right way to rebuild a team. Do you think Snyder outfoxed him?

As far as calling those who honestly disagree with Redskin moves "haters"... That's as transparent and useless as saying those who oppose the war in Iraq are against the troops. It's a weak, stupid argument, and a lie.


Posted by: Corkczar | July 21, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

(If they didn't pounce within six hours, maybe Taylor at least would have dropped in cost to a fourth rounder,and we wouldn't have this discussion).

Posted by: Corkczar | July 21, 2008 2:01 PM

Wasn't going to happen. If anyone thinks Miami was going to give Taylor away for a 4th you are fooling yourselves big time. The commentary on these posts is so ridiculous, it would be better not to have an option to allow comments.

Posted by: Ehren | July 21, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

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