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Grade the Jarmon Pick

The overall reaction to the Redskins' move to take Jeremy Jarmon in the supplemental draft Thursday seems positive, if the Redskins Insider twitter feed is any guide.

@jbeardsley we got young depth at a position of need. Plus, we need fresh run stuffers. RBs killed us in the 4th last season

@thebrowncoat Doesn't seem bad for a 3rd rounder - although I kind of wish he was an offensive lineman.

@segdeha Sounds like a decent value, good depth acquisition. I score it an 8 out of 10.

@CheapTix4U Love the pick!!....Skins are getting OLD on the DL..this helps!

@SJ_Proticon I think it's a good gamble. He seems pretty talented and looks to be a hard worker. Time will tell.

(Except for this one) @kpj104 no gamble in the synder era has paid off. it is a given, we always lose at the table trying for the royal flush.

Now it's your turn. And, no, there's no "Incomplete" option. You've got to give 'em a grade.

By Cindy Boren  |  July 17, 2009; 8:14 AM ET
 
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Comments

1st to vote A.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 17, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

B - 4th woulda been better. We might not have got him, though.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 17, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I gave it a B. Can't complain about added youth on the dline. Now let's see if the guy can play.

Posted by: skinswest | July 17, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Foxtrot, Indigo, Romeo, Sierra, Tango.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 17, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Depth on the D-line, don't ever want to hear people complain about not having pass rushers. Now we can all focus our attention solely on the O-line. Maybe enough RI whining will get us fresh blood there.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 17, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

I gave a grade of B. Position of need. Seems like a value pick. I would change my grade to an A if the skins could get 10-20 goods snaps on defense from Jarmon after their bye week.

Posted by: TWISI | July 17, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Three things seem telling to me about this pick:
First, the Lions were the only other team interested in this guy and they weren't willing to give him anything higher than a forth. Second, the 'Skins were the only team that drafted ANYONE in this draft. And third, we're supposed to be optimistic about this pick based on where Vinny thinks he would have landed in next year's draft?

Posted by: Nick24 | July 17, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

lmao, Nick - sho u rite.

And Larry, it's more like:

Foxtrot, Omega, Underpants, Redskins, Thermos, Horseradish

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 17, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Nick24 four other teams beside the Lions had a fourth round claim on Jarmon. The Bucs, and Iggles showed some interest in him b4 the sup. draft

Posted by: TWISI | July 17, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Good pick up and we get a year early start with this youngster. Who cares if other teams had in 4th round. The draft is a crap shoot anyways. As long as he produces, I don't care what round he came in.

Posted by: fearturtle44 | July 17, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

This pick is awesome. The way the Skins do business is awesome. We are never scared to take a chance, we dont follow the rest of the teams with no money and disloyal fans we do what we need to do cause we got the money and the guts to do it. Haynesworth is like a expensive car and Orakpo and Jarmon are the Rim's and fresh paint that's going to make him look even better on the drive to the Super Bowl. Redskins Nation stand up it's our year

HTTR!! RIP#21 4 Ever

Posted by: cpt55back | July 17, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Vinnie is so insecure the first thing he does is make sure everyone knows that the mighty Detroit Lions contacted him to let him know they wanted the guy. Come on. Not only that but surprise surprise, the Redskins had him listed as a second rounder.
Interesteing how every time we draft someone in a round, the Redskins were lucky enough to get him a round later than they had him listed even though no one else had that player picked that high or drafted him in the entire round before the Redskins.
Vinnie Cerrato is really the little insecure boy on the block who has done nothing. Why he's still around is pure mystery.

Posted by: dovelevine | July 17, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I just amaze that the skins got a good pick up.

Posted by: shamken | July 17, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I give it an "A", what about the OL they were looking at, is it possible to sign him or bring him in for workouts, to see what he has. I know someone yesterday asked the same question. There isnt any b.s. rule about signing anyone after the supplemental draft is over is there?

I think if all stay healthy and have gotten better, we will have a real nice rotation on the DL, it wont be equivalent to the GINTs, but should have some quality on the DL, esp. if Orakpo pushes up for 3rd down.

Posted by: mhartz1 | July 17, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Aw shucks DikSkuttle. It's hard to get Foxtrot, Indigo, Romeo, Sierra, Tango on this Blog. I was just tryin fake it.

Your alphabet choice is funny though.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 17, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

The Detriot Lions name only came up because former 'skin Mayhew is the new GM and say they called.

Detriot is picking higher than us, obviously. because of their record. So, if they put a 4th rounder up against any other teams 4th, the Lions would win out.

To me, this points out that Vinny is smarter than most of you give him credit for. He had to use the 3rd to even get the guy in the 1st place....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 17, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

I am unsure about it, I think it was a great move, but I don't trust our front office and don't ever thing any move they make will work.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 17, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

lots of new cats up here, ripping this move, so whats that tell you??

Gave it a B, solid move.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 17, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Are you predicting that the skins go 3-13 this year? Cuz that’s what they will need to do in order to draft him(they will need to be in the top three, if not have the first overall pick to get that guy). Or are you saying that they will trade up giving away whatever it takes to get the guy?


Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 17, 2009 9:09 AM


It would take something just shy of armageddon for the Skins to go 3-13, but I do think they'll trade a bunch of picks to move up for Bradford if they like him that much. The talk was that they looked into doing the same for Sanchez and would have had to do something similar to get Cutler. So it stands to reason that if they really want Bradford, they'll do whatever it takes to get him.

And if Campbell isn't back, they'd have no other choice.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 17, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I hear you alex, but don't forget that a broken clock is right twice a day...even a blind squirrel finds a Snickers now and then, the suns even shines ona dog's backside...OK I'm done.

Solid "B", reserving the right to upgrade to "A" in a few months

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | July 17, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Three things seem telling to me about this pick:
First, the Lions were the only other team interested in this guy and they weren't willing to give him anything higher than a forth. Second, the 'Skins were the only team that drafted ANYONE in this draft. And third, we're supposed to be optimistic about this pick based on where Vinny thinks he would have landed in next year's draft?

Posted by: Nick24 | July 17, 2009 9:41 AM

1. 18 teams were interested in him. Eagles had him up to Philly. Denver was pretty interested as well.

2. The bidding on these guys is not public. So, you don't know what the other teams actually put in for him, except you can be sure that no team put in a second. If the Lions put in a fourth, the only way the 'Skins could get him was with a third, since Lions picked before the Skins in the fourth round.

3. No, you don't have to rely on Vinnie. All the "draft experts" and scouting services said they thought he was good enough that he should go in the third or fourth round. But, more than that, you're entitled to have your own, independent opinion. How do you rate him?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 17, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

"@jbeardsley we got young depth at a position of need. Plus, we need fresh run stuffers. RBs killed us in the 4th last season"

and

Depth on the D-line, don't ever want to hear people complain about not having pass rushers. ...

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 17, 2009 9:37 AM

I agree with these sediments. The year they won the SB, the NYG proved that rotating D-linemen (and relentlessly pounding the opposing O-line) is the new name of the game in the NFL.

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

lots of new cats up here, ripping this move, so whats that tell you??
Gave it a B, solid move.
Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 17, 2009 10:14 AM

What have you done with the real beantowngreg? We all know his standard response goes along the lines of “let’s not judge this until we wait and see what happens once he takes a few real snaps” (or something to that effect)……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 17, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Another something I missed ... that the Skins have a WR on the roster who is 6'5" and 240 pounds. [At some point, that becomes a TE, right?]

How did I miss THIS about this guy (Jaimon Williams)? [And has Oregon just sucked or something?]

- Oregon’s third-leading receiver, only seven receptions shy of equaling the school’s career record (178, Samie Parker, 2000-03). Ranks third on school’s all-time list for catches and sixth in career receiving yards (2,494)

- Also stands second all time with 10 100-yard receiving efforts and is tied for fourth in career TD receptions (20)
In 2008, accumulated 102 yards and two touchdowns at Washington State, and caught a season-high five passes at Purdue

- The three-year starter was held without a reception in only nine of his 49 appearances

- One of the program’s strongest pass catchers ever, boasts of a share of Oregon’s school record in the back squat (375 lbs., 2007-08), the top power clean mark of all-time (352 lbs., 2007) and the third-best bench press ever (340 lbs., 2007) among wide receivers

- As a junior, lead the team in receiving for the second year in a row and a honorable mention all-conference selection (Pac-10 coaches) and second-team all-league pick (Rivals.com) ranked sixth in the conference in receiving yards per game (64.9 avg.)

- After coming off the bench in the first two games of the 2006 season, the Ducks’ receiving leader started the next eight games and was a finalist for the Biletnikoff Award

- Finished the season ranked second in the Pac-10 in receptions per game (19th nationally) and fourth in receiving yards (19th in the country)

- Rewarded as Oregon’s Duane Cargill Award recipient as the skilled player making the greatest impact.

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

lots of new cats up here, ripping this move, so whats that tell you??
Gave it a B, solid move.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 17, 2009 10:14 AM

You have no blog credibility. You're the guy who gave an A to not resigning Antonio Pierce and an A- to cutting Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 17, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

dl, the basis for that grade was getting a player now, while surrendering a draft pick 8 months from now.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 17, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

- The three-year starter was held without a reception in only nine of his 49 appearances

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2009 10:26 AM

I'm not sure that the word "only" belongs in this sentence.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 17, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

To me, this points out that Vinny is smarter than most of you give him credit for. He had to use the 3rd to even get the guy in the 1st place....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 17, 2009 10:12 AM

So crown him already ... but I also note that, since the wonder years of The Owner/EVP era, there have been some upgrades in the talent evaluation group, esp. replacing Roddick with Scott Campbell ... and adding my dream savior, Marocco Brown.

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

dl, the basis for that grade was getting a player now, while surrendering a draft pick 8 months from now.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 17, 2009 10:29 AM

And on that basis you would have graded the Jason Taylor trade as a B. Or B+?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 17, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

te, screw, I gave the team a AAA rating for picking up Marcus Mason AGAIN!!! That is just brilliance defined.....

so take your A, and your A minus and cram it.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 17, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

t_e_, not alot of guys start for three years at the WR position.

On this one, I agree with Greg ... seems like a value pick timing-wise. If they (including the new guys) would have scored him as a second round pick in this past draft, then surrendering next year's third round pick (as much as that hurts) seems like value. ["I would gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today."] Compared to third round pick expenditures in previous years (Brandon Lloyd trade? Jason Taylor trade? ... I'm using ? marks b/c I don't remember, but don't recall that we used the third round picks too well ... unless Chad Rinehart turns out OK), it likely was a pick well spent.

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

And on that basis you would have graded the Jason Taylor trade as a B. Or B+?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 17, 2009 10:31 AM

Jason Taylor trade for 2nd round pick = apples

Supplemental draft pick for a 21 year-old prospect = oranges

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 17, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Anthony Montgomery and Kedric Golston were 5th and 6th round picks, so we do pretty well drafting D-line (and Lozo was undrafted, right?). Hopefully, we can expect alot from Mr. Jarmon.

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

te, screw, I gave the team a AAA rating for picking up Marcus Mason AGAIN!!! That is just brilliance defined.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 17, 2009 10:32 AM |

You gave them an A+ earlier when they cut Mason. Now an AAA for resigning him.

You sound just like John Kerry. "I voted for it before I voted against it." Is this what they teach in the schools up there?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 17, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Reminding myself ... Jason Taylor trade = 2nd round pick in 2009 and 6th round pick in 2010. Draft chart-wise, that might be around a third round pick. But he's gone now.

Brandon Lloyd trade = 3rd round pick in 2006 and 4th round pick in 2007. Let's get this party started.

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

In this corner, talent evaluator ... in this corner, BeantownGreg. "Time to get the popcorn." DING!

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

no reason we shouldn't bring up the signing of Bruce Smith, Deion, and Jeff George at this point.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 17, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Agreed on this Jaison Williams kid, sween. Big, highly productive, three year starter. A good friend of mine who is a diehard Ducks football fan (rare bird, indeed) loves the kid and is confident he'll make the team. Love the signing. Not like it cost us a draft choice or much money. Looking forward to seeing what he does in training camp and (hopefully) preseason.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | July 17, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Nice pick. Some clown wrote that the Skins would give up a two yesterday. 3rd round pick is good for the talent and he seems to be a good kid.

Anyone that hates on this pick is just that a hater.....

Posted by: punchdaclock | July 17, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

dl, the basis for that grade was getting a player now, while surrendering a draft pick 8 months from now.
Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 17, 2009 10:29 AM

I like the move too……just giving you a little ribbing b/c you usually throw out the “let’s not judge ‘til” card…….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 17, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I started a rumor that the Steelers were interested in him, and were willing to use their 3rd round pick.

Now tell me that doesn't grade out as an A+!

Posted by: daggar | July 17, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I give them an "A". The risk was low and the potential return on investment is high. Adding more competition at the position is only going to make everyone strive to be better than better.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 17, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

On this one, I agree with Greg ...

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2009 10:34 AM |

I don't. He graded it B. I thought it was A. Especially when compared to Marcus Mason which he graded AAA. (I'm not sure whether that grade was flip or flop.)

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 17, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Jason Taylor trade for 2nd round pick = apples

Supplemental draft pick for a 21 year-old prospect = oranges

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 17, 2009 10:36 AM |

logic=apples
brownwood=eggplant

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 17, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

In this corner, talent evaluator ... in this corner, BeantownGreg. "Time to get the popcorn." DING!

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2009 10:41 AM |

You wanna piece of me, beanboy? Grrrr.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 17, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I give it a grade of VSOP, that is what we will all need alot of if we dont make the playoffs.

PLAYOFFS, PLAYOFFS

Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 17, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

logic=apples
brownwood=eggplant

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 17, 2009 10:47 AM

I see your math is as faulty as your logic...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 17, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I have to say Snyder/Cerrato have made some dumb moves in the past. i.e Lloyd,Archuletta etc... But look at some of the other FA signings and drafted players.
1.London Fletcher
2.Sean Taylor
3.Chris Horton
4.Andre Carter
5.Laron landry
6.Albert Haynesworth
7.Derrick Dockery(was very good in 1st stint with Skins,people are quick to forget)
8.Deangelo Hall
Granted almost all of our good FA signings are defensive, they are for the most part great picks. If only they had an eye for offense. This team is being built like the 2000 Ravens, and the 02 Bucs.We will kill you on defense and hope the QB doesn't mess up too bad. Hail Superbowl in 09

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 17, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

s'all good, Larry - we try, we try!

The fact that y'all can remember what someone posted 5 threads ago astounds me. I can't remember whether I drove to work or not half the time.

And don't get me started on losing Leigh Torrence!

Did you know Leigh Torrence is the godfather of my son? He shows up at the church in his golf pants, caked in mud. Well, ol' Torrence pushes the priest aside and says, 'I'll baptize that piece of calamari!' Then he pours Scotch all over my baby son and says, 'There! You're baptized!' The boy is blind to this day!

He would shoot whiskey into his neck with a syringe!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 17, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

So, for the 2010, all we have now are:

1st round, 2nd round, 4th round, 5th round, and 7th round

Let's hope three of these picks become offensive linemen.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 16, 2009 5:32 PM

This is from yesterday, so I'm slow on the response, but it FEELS like this team might actually be shifting to a place where they can start drafting to prepare to replace aging starters, rather than have current year "needs."

In my eyes, Cornelius isn't getting any younger, but I think the bench is ready when his body gives out. [With all the Haynesworth hype, seems like people forget that Griffin is and has been our 3-down, all-gap, all-game bulwark.]

Samuels is and has been the shnit, the bulwark, never requiring the chip help, OT of our dreams. Someday, his body will quit on him.

Finally, Portis, Betts, and Rock Cartwright all graduated in the same year. Personally, I'm sensing that the first round pick (or an early free agency) pick has to be slated for a RB like Portis who can carry the team in the games that just aren't hitting. This is, after all, still the NFC East.

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

"...I was just tryin' fake it..."

Select the best times to just "...fake it...".

a. the boss--a guy who hates sports--wants you to agree with the idea that football is dumb

b. the 'moment after' when the wife/girlfriend asks, "Did I do that right? Sorry for the teeth getting in the way."

c. during a traffic stop when a cop asks about that funny, smoky smell in your car

d. while reviewing the row of d's and f's on your kid's report card

e. just after being asked if the used SUV you're selling is great on gas


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 17, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I like this pick for the simple reason Jarmon is at least worthy of a 3rd rounder (i.e, we didn't overpay, so-to-speak) and we desperately need to get younger on the D-Line.

Now, if we could just find some young and talented kids to add depth to the O-Line so Jason Campbell doesn't spend the second half of the season on his butt two seconds after each snap.

Posted by: imageaid | July 17, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

moe, funny stuff....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 17, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

NotoriousLMG, I'm with you on a UDFA WR being able to make the team. My only hope is that roster decisions can start getting made based on more on talent than on dead cap hit effects. That Jansen cut is going to leave a mark on the dead cap space, but my sense (unresearched) is that Skins are probably in a better place dead cap-wise than they have been in over a decade (adjusted for inflation and salary cap increases).

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

dcsween

'...Cornelius isn't getting any younger...'


Perhaps the proper rotation of:

Kedric Golston
Anthony Montegomery
Albert Haynesworth
Cornelius Griffth

Will save Grif's legs for another season or two.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 17, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I have a question, and give me an honest answer all. In 2004/05 when Spurrier left and Gibbs took over, I think a major problem many had was the depth chart on the team, we had solid starters in several positions but if they went down we were &*@#.

Am I wright in looking at the roster today and saying we are much better depth wise? I look at the team and see above average depth in several spots, particularly on D.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 17, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Next year in the draft I am hoping for a nasty OT in the first round , hopefully picked 32nd overall. In the 2nd round a new RB would be nice, especially a speedster.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 17, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

beantown

I know the Sawx-Yanks are fighting for 1st place, but be on the look out for the Rays.

That team is a junior version of the Angels, another team to be on the lookout for.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 17, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I see your math is as faulty as your logic...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 17, 2009 10:50 AM

Math? Logic? You're the guy who predicted yesterday that the 'Skins would use their first roung pick on Jarman. Was that weak math or weak logic or both?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 17, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe, agreed ... I started with the Griffin because that was the one spot (DT) where I think the Skins can count their blessings on talent evaluation (Monty, Golston, Lozo) and DON'T need to think about replacing a guy (unless, of course, they already thought of that beforehand ... in which case, good job by the FO).

Next year, Harvey Dahl (the Falcons guard, object of my manlove) becomes UFA ... it might be that the Skins are going to have to rely on free agency for a while re: the offensive line b/c they have not taken the same approach, had the same success as they've had on the D-line.

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

moe, 2 things:

bucholz goes tonight against the jays, which this is either a showcase for him for trade purposes, or he's coming up for real, and to stay.

Agreed on the rotation, you spoke of above, Griff/AH/Monty/Gholston/LO Alex at the DT spots, and AC/Rak/Jamon/Daniels/Wynn/Jackson at the DE spots. Keep them all going in and out of games, keep their legs fresh.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 17, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Leigh Torrence, just like an alligator, can digest an entire turtle shell!

I believe you are correct, Alex. Though I think receiver is a sore spot.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 17, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

He date raped David Bowie.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 17, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

So, for the 2010, all we have now are:

1st round, 2nd round, 4th round, 5th round, and 7th round

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 16, 2009 5:32 PM

Now is the operative term. There is still the Haynesworth tampering investigation floating around out there. We could still lose the fourth or the fifth. Now that Jasno is working for the league, there's at least one heavyweigh (I'm thinking of his side, more than his influence) insider against us.

Maybe we'll pick up a seventh rounder or something for losing Demetric Evans. And, we deserve a second or third rounder for losing Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 17, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I give it the ONLY grade that's appropriate at this point:

"Incomplete"

POSITIVE: Got a second round value for a third rounder, and got it a year early

NEGATIVE: If he's so good, why didn't a good team nab him first?

POSITIVE: Big hybrid run stuffer- pass rusher DE the skins need to replace Wynn/Daniels

NEGATIVE: His biggest fan is Vinny Cerrato

POSITIVE: Smart. Already college graduated, and not with a degree in basket-weaving.

NEGATIVE: Dude was kicked out of college football for a drug. If he's smart, why didn't he read the label?

POSITIVE: Skins have loaded up at a single position this year with multiple high picks-- DEs Orakpo and now Jarman.

NEGATIVE: How'd that philosophy work out last year at WR?

The good news is we begin to find out what the kid's got in a couple of weeks. Come on FOOTBALL!!!

Posted by: TheCork | July 17, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Here is how I rank all the depth by position, I am not factoring starters into this at all.

On Offense, 1. TE 2. HB 3. QB 4. OG 5. WR 6. OT 7 C 8. FB
Defense, 1. CB 2. DE 3. DT 4. SS 5. FS 6. OLB 7. MLB

Posted by: alex35332 | July 17, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

IH8Dallas - LLoyd/Archibingus was Gibbs 2.0/GreggggggWilliams, not Vinny....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 17, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

"There is still the Haynesworth tampering investigation"

Not to mention how many games he'll be suspended for the traffic accident that he had.....

And unicorns....lets not forget unicorns.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 17, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Last.

beep beep

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 17, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

2nd or 3rd rounder for Leigh Torrence?! Future hall of famer Leigh Torrence?!

Did I tell you about the time we went hunting? Somehow we creep up on this 8 point buck and Torrence grabs it by the head - looks it square in the eye and hollers: "SAY 'LEIGH TORRENCE!'". Well, he squeezes the creature in such a fashion that the air escaping sounded like "chleighg tchorrenchge", which wasn't exactly right, but was pretty good for a deer!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 17, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

To me, this points out that Vinny is smarter than most of you give him credit for. He had to use the 3rd to even get the guy in the 1st place....

Posted by: 4thFloor |

How he hasn't won a Nobel Prize yet sure has me baffled.

Seriously, man MUST be a genius to still be employed at Redskin park with his track record.

Posted by: TheCork | July 17, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Looking at our roster now I would not mind seeing this team occasionally try a 5-2-4 in a blue moon.
I mean think of this for a sec.
D line (right to left):Carter-Goldston-Haynsworth-Griff-Orakpo
LB: RMac, LFB
DB (R-L): Hall-LaRon-Horton-Los.

We have enough depth on the front line to sub out on the lines for either run stopping or pass rush.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 17, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: alex35332 | July 17, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I gave it a D...

I generally like the Supplemental Draft (I was pissed when we didn't jump on Jared Gaither a couple years ago). But the value is when you take a guy a round or two later than where he'd be projected next spring (Gaither went in the fifth round and was 1st-2nd round talent - I wanted to take him in the 3rd or 4th - I think even our 5th was better than the 5th that Baltimore got him with). Jarmon was projected as second or third round talent, so spending a third rounder in the supplemental is not getting great value...

It also wouldn't have been necessary to spend this pick on the line had they addressed it in the spring. Oh yeah, they did draft a d-end - then converted him to LB.

Shocking that the Redskins would undervalue their draft picks - they don't have a history of that.
/sarcasm

I also have some questions about how much we're going to pay him and who's roster spot he takes... Looking at the opening game 53 the last couple years, we've kept 9 or 10 D-linemen and 6 LBs.

Currently here's the 10 D-Linemen I had before the Jarmon pick:
Haynesworth (takes D. Evans' roster spot)
Griffin
Golston
Montgomery
Alexander
Carter
Daniels (replaces J. Taylor)
Wynn (replaces E. James roster spot)
R. Jackson
C. Wilson (hybrid OLB/DE)

I list Orakpo at LB (taking Marcus Washington's roster spot), along with:
Fletcher
McIntosh
Blades
Robert Thomas (replacing Khari Campbell as special teamer)
Fincher

So, barring injury, someone's gotta go - who is the odd-man out? Is Rob Jackson eligible for practice squad this year?

I felt at the time that redoing Griffin's deal was unwise because it more or less guaranteed he'd be around for a couple more years and I'm comfortable with the 3-4 man rotation at DT without him - Haynesworth, Montgomery, Golston, Alexander. Daniels and Wynn can slide inside alright as well, if necessary.

I'm more comfortable with how that line/DE grouping looks a year from now when Daniels and Wynn are presumably retired, but curious to see how it plays out this year and if we dump someone to give Jarmon his roster spot.

Posted by: csh2000 | July 17, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I rated this move an "A".

If the Redskins had kept the 3rd round pick, Snyder and Cerrato would have traded it to move up higher in the 1st round anyway. At least this way, we got a real player for the pick.

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | July 17, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

regarding roster spots, here's how I see it:

D Linemen:

Carter
Hayneworth
Griffin
Daniels

Jackson
Golston
Montgomery
Wynne

Alexander
Jamon

Linebackers:

Orakpo
Fletcher
McIntosh

Wilson
Blades
Fincher

Glenn, Hansen get a much-needed year on the practice squad.

Robert Thomas and Buzbee are insurance against injuries. If no injuries, they get cut.

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | July 17, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Just for the record Jarmon had 4.5 sacks and 10 tfl last year, Tyson Jackson the third overall pick in last years draft had 4.5 sacks and 10.5 tfl playing with a better d-line on a loaded LSU team. Jackson finished his career with 19.5 sacks, Jarmon had 17.5 and was on pace to break the Kentucky record and past Jackson. Not to shabby in the powerful SEC.

Posted by: majick66 | July 17, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I do not like this move one bit. Feels like the FO is trying to outsmart every other team around the league when they're only outsmarting themselves.

IMO, I do not think that DL depth is that crucial of an issue to spend a third round pick on. The verdict is not out yet on what Buzbee and Rob Jackson, not to mention what the slew of other DEs on the roster can do. The DL needed some tweaks, true, which is why we went out and broke the bank to get AH and added extra talent by drafting Orakpo.

This move is overkill. The 3rd round pick should have been earmarked for an offensive lineman, period.

Posted by: SmashMouth | July 18, 2009 2:33 AM | Report abuse

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