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The Portis Interview: Director's Cut

From Barry Svrluga

So Clinton Portis obviously had some interesting things to say in the story we ran in this morning's paper. That wasn't all he said, though. He was in a very talkative mood.

Here is some other free-flowing stuff from your favorite tailback, some Portis out-takes:

How have you changed as a person and a back since you came to Washington?:

"As a back, I've changed to basically doing what's asked of me," Portis said. "Coming in here, being used to daylight and big runs and high expectations, and feeling prepared to change the organization around and carry the organization, and all of a sudden it didn't work that way, for whatever reason, and all of a sudden you have to take that criticism. Of course you become blamed, but at the same time, I felt like I put in the work. It wasn't like I didn't show up for work. You look back over every game I've played in since I've been here, whether I had the yards or not, you can't sit here and tell me I didn't give you everything I had on the field.

"I think I was running into some brick walls. I ran into some of them full speed. It wasn't like I laid down and all of a sudden, 'No, I can't do this.' I tried. I think trying and always giving all the maximum effort that I can give, you're going to take your criticism and everybody's going to be hard, and all of a sudden you don't do this, you don't do that.

"But my status as far as consistency in the NFL, I've accomplished something that is not easily accomplished. With the exception of the year that I got hurt, all of my campaigns been fine years for another back. For a Marion Barber, that would be great. But for Clinton Portis, it's sub-par. I think it's just unfair , uh I really think it's unfair to have hard work overlooked due to circumstances.

"Since I've been here we haven't played with the line that was expected for us to have. We've lost Randy Thomas and Jon Jansen, or had makeshift [lines], had to plug in this lineman or get somebody last-minute. We've always shuffled our line-up, shuffled our quarterbacks. We really haven't had the same starting receivers. So as far as constant, I've been the only constant in the Washington Redskins, along with Chris Samuels and Chris Cooley. Other than that, everything else has been shuffled."

Here, he took a breath. One question, more than three minutes, 30 seconds. I asked him if it was fair or unfair that people get caught up in the numbers, the stats. He said some of the things that were in the story -- that sometimes 80 yards can be the toughest 80 yards possible. He went on:

"It's part of the game. It's being involved in the game. When your role changed, and you're used to hitting home runs, home runs, and they ask you to become a singles hitter, and you want to slap it out of the park, what do you say? 'No, I'm a home run hitter.' Or do you do what they ask you do to for the team? They want me to hit home runs, but every now and then you got to get a single, get on base first. Then we get a home run, or try and help someone else drive you in. So knowing the role reversal, of course we all want home runs, but I'm not going to say I didn't miss some opportunities over the last five, six years to have a home run. But [shoot], it was hard to come by those opportunities. And all of a sudden it'd pop up, and you miss it. That one time that you miss it, it don't come back."

Keep in mind, too, that Portis never said he wanted to be traded. He just said he thought it'd be interesting if he could run behind a different line with different players around him for one week to see what the results would be. Because he said that, I asked him whether he wished he hadn't been traded from Denver, which is renowned for its consistent offensive line play. He said flatly no, and there's a quote about that in the story. But he was more expansive.

"I think being here made me appreciate having Shannon Sharpe or Rod Smith or Ed McCaffrey as a teammate, or being able to watch an Al Wilson go out and play football -- people who really love the game and played the game the way it was supposed to be played. And then all of a sudden you come and you ask to be the leader, you ask to be the focal point, you ask to take the hits and be the person that everything going to always fall down to you. So I always said it's not about, well, as the focal point, you asked to lead, you asked to carry, you asked to guide newcomers. You asked to pull in a Devin Thomas and try to get him on the right road, to guide a Marcus Mason, who got all the talent in the world, to teach him how to become a complete back, to understand it's more than running the ball."

He also said that he believes these Redskins have more talent than he played with during his two seasons in Denver. And he also showed a bit of a chip on his shoulder.

"People don't want to see me do good. Everybody wants [to say], 'Oh, he's getting paid too much and not producing. He ain't went to the Pro Bowl. He ain't [this or that]. Well, as an organization, we only had three people go to the Pro Bowl.

"If you really pay attention and watch us play, there's a lot of us should have been in the Pro Bowl because we played hard. We played football the way it's supposed to be played. You can't tell me London Fletcher shouldn't have been in the Pro Bowl. Three middle linebackers better than London Fletcher? Or a Sean Taylor over his career. There was another safety better than him? Or LaRon Landry coming up? You telling me there's four safeties in the NFL better than him? No.

"I would be a fool to believe that. For myself, yeah, other people had wonder years. But the consistency, every year, you know what I'm going to give you. It's not going to be a major dropoff. I'm going to give you what I got, every year. No matter what our record is, I'm going to be that constant."

Last thing (though we could probably go on forever): I pointed out that his contract is through 2010, essentially three more seasons. I asked him if he embraced that or he was frustrated about it (given what he had said earlier). He gets to some interesting stuff about leadership and team dynamics.

"I'm past the frustration point," Portis said, "because in frustration, you can't go out and make others do something. I can only do my job. And you know, I think within the organization, they can see I do my job. I can't control other people's jobs. This team, with the talent we have -- we never had this kind of talent in Denver. So the talent that we have here is phenomenal.

"When I was in Denver, there was three players getting a lot of money -- Brian Griese, Trevor Pryce, John Mobley. But you come to this organization, you got six of the highest-paid players on offense. You got five of the highest-paid players on defense. So it's kind of hard when you got 11 players making that much money, and then you got a guy such as James Thrash or Rock Cartwright not making that kind of money who's really the leaders of this team.

"I would love to feel and say I'm the leader of the Washington Redskins. On Sunday, I am. On a day-to-day, Monday-to-Saturday [basis], I'm not, because Rock Cartwright work harder than I do, James Thrash work harder than I do, David Patten -- who's now with the New Orleans Saints -- worked harder than I did. Santana Moss worked harder than I do. Chris Cooley ain't never missed a practice since I been here. [Note: He was speaking Wednesday, before Cooley had to miss that day's practice.] So do I say, 'Put me in the front and let me lead?' On Sunday, yeah, I say that, because there's not one of those guys who I feel work harder than me. But on Monday through Saturday, when the leadership role is really requested, I'm not. That's not me."

By Cindy Boren  |  September 12, 2008; 3:40 PM ET
 
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Posted by: ad | September 12, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

John D and Suzanne ... I know you guys are probably way too busy hustling out of Houston to read this blog.

But if you do, wanted to let you know we're thinking of you and hoping for the very best.

Zeke

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 12, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Catching up...

"It felt pretty good," Washington said. "Just trying to test it. Don't want to do anything crazy and set it back. Just trying to see what I got. Still going to be a game-time decision. Still not sure."


Marcus Washington knows that there is a global noun shortage, and he's doing his part to conserve, so that the less fortunate will also be able to occasionally speak without having to resort to sentence fragments.

Can join Marcus in this quest, if conserve yours, too.

Posted by: freakzilla | September 12, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

Thanks for the kind thoughts and the bonus points, some of which you got for Jay Schroeder and some for being the biggest optimist over Zorn keeping his job with 0 wins.

I can't accept the bonus points, however. Its like those things where employees that work at a place are ineligible for contests and stuff. Since I invented bonus points, I can't be eligible to use them. There are rules, unfortunately.

But I appreciate the thought.

Best

Zeke

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 12, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Man, somebody call the WAAAAmbulance for CP . . . what a whiner.

Posted by: tMU | September 12, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Wow Portis is on a tear this week....lets hope it carries over on Sunday...

I got nothin but love for CP!

Posted by: cHrIs LaRrY | September 12, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

dammit....

Posted by: Greg | September 12, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I was in the RedCoat league but jumped to Nates when we made the move to go from 2 leagues of 20 teams and 14 too 2 leagues of 16 teams.

I was the Baltimore Colts of Nate's League
Posted by: Alex35332 | September 12, 2008 3:54 PM

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 12, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I love CP, and I'm glad we have one dude in DC sports who is nutty and runs his mouth AND backs it up on the field.

I also love Cindy Boren for keeping us in new posts all the time lately.

I also love this silly, wonderful blog. Even when it's bad, it's good.

And those Redskins we talk about sometimes up here. I love them, too, and I still think they're going to win the F-ball game on Sunday by 9 or more points.

Hail to the blog. Hail to the Redskins.

Also, where's the cake? [it's in the break room. left over from someone's going away party. oh yeah.]

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 12, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

So is CP saying it's okay to loaf in practice? I don't get it. No doubt he's a gamer, but can you call yourself a leader when you only give the effort on game day? I think not. How can he make these statements and expect his teammates to follow his lead? Damn, how do his teammates feel?

I've lost respect for him if he purposely takes it easy in practice. How do the coaches allow it? I'd start Betts, assuming he works hard in practice.

I'm not that old, but players from my generation (70's-80's)wouldn't tolerate it. Can you picture Parcells, Landry, or Lombardi saying, "great job, Clinton, way to take it easy in practice today, 'cause I know you're gonna kick some a$$ on Sunday."

Posted by: cosmofla | September 12, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Um...sure

Posted by: ssh1549 | September 12, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

And on Boldin, on other thought.

Since Boldin isn't leaving AZ this year, Rosenhaus was just posturing with his comments about Boldin in Miami. Rosenhaus is good at that. He also knows that if wants to get his client the most $$, he's gotta shop him to the Skins. They tend to raise the bidding price. This saga has a long way to go.

Unfortunately, the Skins needed him this year.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 12, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

That block he threw on the Gints DE, that's Portis speaking loudly.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc |


That's it? He throws one great block and he can do what he please? There is an I in team then.

CP's comments are a bit refreshing in that he calls out the O-line as it should be. A highly paid, very average team is what we fans have. The only above average player, I'd say is Laron Landry, Cooley is good, but not elite. Moss isn't the same. Who else?


Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 12, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

wow! cp's just had it with this place. wow! all those millions and no satisfaction for cp. cp used to be the recruiter i doubt he'll recruit any of his colleagues now to come to this town.

when are we going to turn this ship around snyder?


Posted by: dealer | September 12, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Way to bring the luv, Nate...BTW, JReid sez that Kareem Moore is doubtful for Sunday...

Posted by: Cindy | September 12, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Portis has always been against practicing much. No new news there. He believes that he takes (and gives) a lot of punishment on Sundays and that his body is better off resting, not being pushed hard in preseason or mid week between games.

His point has merit to it. He's not a big guy. I've suggested that he should only be the feature back for about 12 games, with Betts doing the others. Keeping Portis fresher seems like a smart thing.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 12, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

everything Portis said is absolutely true....and really stupid. It smacks of steaming willie beamen calling out his team and is generally just selfish. How does he think his oline is gonna like hearing that crap in the news. Its the same guys here for years, so whether he was talking about Zorn's schemes or Gibbs' he was talking about the same blockers, there's just no way to spin it as he wasn't insulting somebody. He may think this, and frankly I do to, but it just isn't something you say, especially in week 2 of a new coach's regime after a bad loss.....anybody else get the feeling there is something brewing here between Zorn and CP? so far they don't seem to be on the same page.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 4:06 PM

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Long;

Springs when healthy, Fletcher, Carter the 2nd half of last year,,, i guess it remains to be seen if they will be the same this year, but all we can go on is our playoff team from last year.

I think CP makes a point about the shuffling of the oline. How nice would it be if they get back up to speed together as a cohesive unit... I think CP can be above average in that case,

Moss needs to show something as does El. MW can be a game changer and was also one of those players that turned it on late last year..

Posted by: Zebra | September 12, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Sit CP's butt down for a game. You shouldn't be allowed to upstage your coach or team like this. Imagine if Ditka was the coach? He'd blow his top!

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 12, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

If there's one position in practice I don't care about going full speed, it's RB.

As long as Portis brings it on gameday and prepares mentally during the week, let him take it easy in practice. It's better than taking weeks off the end of the season from being burnt out physically, or taking years off the end of his career because instead of being hit one day a week, it's now 5 days a week.

Posted by: psps23 | September 12, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

That block he threw on the Gints DE, that's Portis speaking loudly.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc |


That's it? He throws one great block and he can do what he please? There is an I in team then.

CP's comments are a bit refreshing in that he calls out the O-line as it should be. A highly paid, very average team is what we fans have. The only above average player, I'd say is Laron Landry, Cooley is good, but not elite. Moss isn't the same. Who else?


Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 12, 2008 4:03 PM

That block was one play, but Portis played hard all game. That block was a little guy pancaking a big guy. That's a guy playing hard, and that is the way Portis can lead.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 12, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Zebra,

I give you Fletcher, (how could I forget him?)
Carter? no way, Springs, an-injury-waiting-to happen? He's good, not A. Samuel, or Champ level though IMO. MW has lost a step every year he's been here.

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 12, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

A quote from back in my college days:

"There is no 'I' in team. But there is a 'me' ..."

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 12, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Alex, for what it's worth, I've always thought of you as the Cleveland Browns of our league. :)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 12, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Zeke,

Agreed he CP, can lead by example on the field, but allowing him to mouth off and do whatever he wants during the week? No Way! No one should be above the team.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Seems like to me CP noticed a certain lack of intensity on the field.

What I hear is him saying: Let's man up.

Posted by: stumped | September 12, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Big fan of CP, but this interview...Wow. Seems more like something you'd get immediately following a, uh, 4-12 season...not after the very 1st game.

Speaking of which, it seems like freakin' forever since that game. C'mon, Sunday, hurry up and get here.

Stay safe, Houston area peeps...

Posted by: 4-12 | September 12, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Snyder/Cerrato are trying to turn the team around now, that's why Zorn was hired and why they drafted 10 players and kept them all. Whether or not it works is the real question, and we won't know that for quite a while.

And I did't read into that interview as CP whining, I read a guy who is frustrated with a lack of success. And I'm pretty sure I read him say the real leaders on the team are Cartwright, Thrash and such, but on Sundays, he steps up, he didn't pretend to be anything he's not.

And you just might be surprised how much "lazy" practicing coaches will allow. Parcells? famous for letting his stars doing whatever they wanted in practice, and he never tried to pretend it didn't work that way.

Posted by: BluCollar Redskin | September 12, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Well, you said above average and i would rate all those guys as such when 100% healthy. MW is becoming injury prone, SS always was but can be dominant when in there. I think Carter will round back into better than average shape he showed last year 2nd half the season.

Posted by: Zebra | September 12, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Maybe that was it stumped. I was watching the game with a few buddies that night and the only dudes I saw upset were all of us and Clinton Portis. A good kick in the ass might not be a bad thing.

Hit someone in the SJK mouth O-Line.

Posted by: Skinz | September 12, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Seems like to me CP noticed a certain lack of intensity on the field.

What I hear is him saying: Let's man up.

Posted by: stumped | September 12, 2008 4:16 PM

Exactly. When I see CP as 1 of 5 guys playing with real grit and passion, he has a right to call out his other teammates. Let them get pissed. It'll do them some good.

Posted by: psps23 | September 12, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Thanks 4 - 12.... I'm praying for a miracle, which means keeping power so I can watch the game on Sunday.... :-)

John D & Suzanne,

which part of town? I'm in Spring... saying the "Eye" is coming right over top of us according to forecast thus far. Some of you may have missed the WEBSITE i posted on the other post..

WWW.HOUSTONHIDEFROMTHEWIND.ORG

Posted by: CLEGG ''hunkering" Down | September 12, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

And at least Portis says it to someones face, not like deep throat or LA or Frost... people who really know CP will know how to take. We get a very bland version of the interview.

Like i said in my long awaited recap, CP was the only one to show intensity. maybe he knows he can reach his team this way rather than saying stuff in the locker room as he pruports himself to be deficient there.

Posted by: Zebra | September 12, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Oops sorry for the A-word cyn.

Posted by: Skinz | September 12, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

from previous thread

Dik,

If only 1 play could win a game, then he'd have won a few for the Skins with vicious blocks. Too bad it takes much more than that.


Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 12, 2008 3:33 PM


i rem. the game vs. denver years ago...when brunell was qb....and denver blitzed al wilson...it was the last drive...portis picked up the block...and toko a crushing blow...and we scored on that play or subsequent play...i rem. it was a huge play nonetheless....i'm sorry, but i got to agree with portis....i think behind a denver line he has 1600 yards easy if he's healthy...

Posted by: jason/mimic/jjmat84 | September 12, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

CP is just entirely frustrated you can hear it (and read it) in his speech.

You give it everything you have for 4 quarters - you're one of the best backs in the league, stats be dammed - and you STILL have bubkis.

Haven't we all worked for companies like today's Redskins? I'm working for one now. Very talented people, some excellent managers - and just no reason to do anything well enough to win.

SUX!

Posted by: Dik | September 12, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm in the Northwest - 290 and Hwy 6, basically - from what I can see on the TV, the eye looks like it's just going to run right up highway 6 >{

thanks for all of your thoughts, those of you in in RI land - they are much appreciated - Just kind of a note, so you don't think we are crazy - When Rita came along three years ago, there was a 3 day traffic jam of folks leaving the city - over 100 people died from various incidents - it was a monster cluster F**K.
This time, the city decided to manage this differently - only calling for mandatory evacuations of those who were in low lying areas, likely to be impacted by the storm surge - I'm 70 miles inland from Galveston, and Clegg is a bit farther - so, we're going to get some pretty strong winds for a while tonight, but it won't be the beat down that Galveston is going to get. So we're really not too crazy -

If CP is saying let's man up, I'm all for that - there was a lack of intensity, not just Thursday, but the last two exhibition games, too

Posted by: John D in Houston | September 12, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

The Saints also have declared three starters to be out for Sunday’s game against the Redskins: linebacker Scott Fujita (knee), safety Roman Harper (hamstring), and cornerback Randall Gay (hamstring/illness).

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I guess i'm too old school for this blog, but I'll be damned if I'm going to sit back and let a player decide how he's gonna practice. I'm the coach, I'm telling you how it's going to be. Like it or not, we know who's in charge and what your role is.

I used to coach high school in the 80's and 90's, and one reason I got out of it had to do with players attitudes towards practice, learning the fundamentals, and being team players. I see it across many sports these days, the NBA in particular. It's all about me, me , me.

As TO so eloquently put it, " I loves me some me."

What a shame it is to see an individual take precedence over the team.

Posted by: cosmofla | September 12, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Barry Svrluga seems hell bent on making a splash in his first article. Reminds me of Mike Wise's first column -- the one about changing the Redskins name because his feelings were hurt or some such nonsense.

Too bad Maske left the Redskins beat. He was good.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | September 12, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

BOOSH!

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 12, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

practice makes perfect. sound familiar.

I'm stunned by the number of commenters who defend cp's practice habits. If the coach is telling him to back off here and there, I have no problem with that. But I do with the player making the call.

Posted by: cosmofla | September 12, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Oldschool!? that's a bunch of crap!

Coaches have always let their star players have freedoms that others don't, a simple fact of the game

Posted by: BluCollar Redskin | September 12, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

My take on why CP went off like that? Because for 8 days now (since the Giants game) all he has heard is how HORRIBLE we are and that we will not win a game. Probably has 20 microphones in his face every time he turns around asking him how our terrible team is going to turn it around - this after one game.

I have often wondered exactly what they did in Denver that made the running game work so well for them.

A strong O line really does make a difference....when Steve Hutchinson was in Seattle, Shaun Alexander looked unstoppable.....when Hutchinson left, Shaun became ordinary. Now Adrian Peterson is looking upstoppable in MN.

Posted by: Lisa | September 12, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Practice doesn't make perfect, it makes habits, which is what is worth being concerned about, practice half speed, play half speed, but CP has proven it doesn't work that way for him, why beat him up in practice if he is capable of playing well with out it?

Posted by: BluCollar Redskin | September 12, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Scott Fujita and Mark Simeanu went down and re out for the year....

Posted by: 4th | September 12, 2008 4:30 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Practice? Were talking about practice? Practice? Heard this before? Maybe if he worked a bit harder in practice a three yard run would turn into a five yard run or even better learn tendencies of the o-line and the holes they make on different sets.

Posted by: ynotcaruso | September 12, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

How come whenever JLC is on ESPN, it's always by phone?

Is he camera-shy?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 12, 2008 1:57 PM

Dude, haven't you seen Redskins Outsider? Jasno does not want to look like JRied.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Been thinking about which guy to spend a little extra time watching this week. So far, its Andre Carter. I'm wondering if he's going to be an 8-10 sack guy this year or something more special.

Any other suggestions.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 12, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Portis mentioned Rod Smith.

I thought CP and he were beefing?

Posted by: 4th | September 12, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

My take on why CP went off like that? Because for 8 days now (since the Giants game) all he has heard is how HORRIBLE we are and that we will not win a game. Probably has 20 microphones in his face every time he turns around asking him how our terrible team is going to turn it around - this after one game.

Posted by: Lisa | September 12, 2008 4:30 PM

Lisa you act like CP has some kind of access to a computer and would know how to read these bloger comments.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 12, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

JOHN D,

GO TO THAT WEBSITE I POSTED. IT GIVE SOME VERY COOL INFO.

CLEGG

Posted by: CLEGG | September 12, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

were Fujita and Simmy starters?

Posted by: Greg | September 12, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

way to break the blog Clegg

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 12, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

lisa, i think it's the past 4 years that's spilling over not just the past 8 days...

Posted by: dealer | September 12, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Oldschool!? that's a bunch of crap!

Coaches have always let their star players have freedoms that others don't, a simple fact of the game

Posted by: BluCollar Redskin | September 12, 2008 4:29 PM

******************************************

Which coaches are these? Sure some may allow it, but I'd be surprised if it were the majority.

I'd like to think my opinion is worth more than a bunch of crap, but everyone is entitled to their opinion, even a-holes.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

The Saints have placed linebacker Mark Simoneau on injured reserve, ending his 2008 season.

Simoneau has a lingering back injury, which will require surgery.

The Saints also have declared three starters to be out for Sunday’s game against the Redskins: linebacker Scott Fujita (knee), safety Roman Harper (hamstring), and cornerback Randall Gay (hamstring/illness).

Receiver Marques Colston is out for four-to-six weeks (closer to six) after surgery to re-attached a thumb ligament.

Posted by: oc skins | September 12, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

TELL EM CP


hard to imagine that some SKINS "fans" don't love this guy

fully support CP!


he's gonna knock heads this Sunday, dude is pissed!

Posted by: The Truth | September 12, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Alex,
Break it?? I didn't realize it was ever fixed.... Gotta stay in touch w/ my fellow Houstonians.... You know ALL CAPS MEAN; "I speaking loudly now" :-)

Posted by: CLEGG | September 12, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Oldschool!? that's a bunch of crap!

Coaches have always let their star players have freedoms that others don't, a simple fact of the game

Posted by: BluCollar Redskin | September 12, 2008 4:29 PM

******************************************

Which coaches are these? Sure some may allow it, but I'd be surprised if it were the majority.

I'd like to think my opinion is worth more than a bunch of crap, but everyone is entitled to their opinion, even a-holes.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 4:41 PM

forgot to sign...cosmofla

Posted by: cosmofla | September 12, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Greg - He was a special teams stand out.

Fujita is a starter.....

SKINS WIN!

Posted by: 4th | September 12, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

saints are treating this like a preseason game...basically...keeping starters with little booboos out...i'm surprised bush hasn't choked on his pretzels yet...

Posted by: dealer | September 12, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

4th, thanks.

Hopefully the Redskins can take advantage of that.

Posted by: Greg | September 12, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

TELL EM CP


hard to imagine that some SKINS "fans" don't love this guy


fully support CP!


he's gonna knock heads this Sunday, dude is pissed!

Posted by: The Truth | September 12, 2008 4:43 PM
I'm a diehard Skins fan and I love the way cp runs the ball. I just have a problem with the practice deal, think it causes animosity amongst the players who do go hard and are paid less.

Posted by: cosmofla | September 12, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Badumpbum

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 12, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Once again, Jason Campbell proves that he is not an NFL quarterback.

The Redskins will finish with a 4-12 record.

It is time to get rid of Vincent Cerrato.

Too bad, Danny Snyder !

Posted by: Gary | September 12, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Nate - Thanks.

Will I get direct Text for the ones I sign up for?

(twitter)

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Beef or no beef, not even CP could deny that Rod Smith was a leader.

Posted by: etrod | September 12, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

gonna repeat a comment from about a week ago ...

Game 2 will tell us a lot more about this Redskins team than Game 1 did.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 12, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Zorn himself said Portis is doing everything they ask - so y'all are way off there...

The guy is a beast. If anyone thinks more practice would make him a better back, well - you're not talkin' NFL are ya...

Do you all forget what John Riggin's weeks were spent in his production years w/ the Skins? - not practice... TRACTION

If I'm not mistaken CP had the most carries of anyone last week. Workhorses need rest, not practice.

The man is a consumate pro. Give it a rest already.

Posted by: Dik | September 12, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Portis is giving 100% but as he said guys like Rock and Thrash naturally give 120%

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 12, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

maybe Rock can be our Papale?! Sure hope somebody is!

Posted by: Dik | September 12, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

maybe Rock can be our Papale?! Sure hope somebody is!

Posted by: Dik | September 12, 2008 4:53 PM

Rock has been our Papale for the past 5 years. Just gets no credit for it.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 12, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Tru somehow I'm not sure TCCL's are enough.. lol.

Posted by: Dik | September 12, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Can we have intraleague trades in our respective FFLs?

Clegg - thanks - server appears to be down at the site, but I'll keep looking for it

Posted by: John D in Houston | September 12, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Zorn himself said Portis is doing everything they ask - so y'all are way off there...

The guy is a beast. If anyone thinks more practice would make him a better back, well - you're not talkin' NFL are ya...

Do you all forget what John Riggin's weeks were spent in his production years w/ the Skins? - not practice... TRACTION

If I'm not mistaken CP had the most carries of anyone last week. Workhorses need rest, not practice.

The man is a consumate pro. Give it a rest already.

Posted by: Dik | September 12, 2008 4:50 PM

Guess we just have a difference of opinion on cp. I agree 100% he's a beast when he plays. I'm feeling like it's an issue if there's conflict among the players as a result of favoritism or if the coach isn't calling the shots. Who is in charge?

Posted by: cosmofla | September 12, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

John D,

I just got on the site.

Posted by: CLEGG | September 12, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Dik,

Respect you opinion, however, if people feel like talking about it then let's continue. Feel free to stop whenever you like.

Posted by: cosmofla | September 12, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Can a man over 40 make chocolate milk and still maintain his self-respect?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I like CP, I love the way he plays, and I agree with what he said, I totally disagree with him saying it. And I also totally disagree with how much we're paying him. He is a top 3 back in terms of salary, and is not in terms of production, the truth is, its pretty easy to find productive running backs (betts proved that) in the NFL and they have a very short shelf life. There is no way that CP plays out his contract here at a productive level, from a health standpoint and a cap standpoint.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse


+++Oldschool!? that's a bunch of crap!

Coaches have always let their star players have freedoms that others don't, a simple fact of the game

Posted by: BluCollar Redskin | September 12, 2008 4:29 PM+++

"Old School" means more than the 1990's Blu. Believe it or not there was a time when coaches enforced rules for all and sundry. Guy named Lombardi, for one. Some college coaches with integrity have let players go for breaking rules these days--even LSU, shich dum,ped its star QB..

Money has done the biggest damage. In a stats driven time, the ones with the best stats get the biggest cash, not the team guys.

Posted by: Corkczar, crotchety Blog Peep | September 12, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

We gonna price gouge you because Ike. $5 gallons coming this weekend!

Posted by: Your local gas station | September 12, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

actually, cos - I agree w/ your analysis on 'who's in charge'?!

I am just going to ITA the folks bashing his ability & performance. It ain't him.

In the off-season, they (FO) approached Portis to become a team leader. As he's stating in the interview, that's not really his function. It wasn't at the U and it hasn't been/isn't here.

His function is to kick butt and he does that on a weekly basis.

I agree that his mouth is a little big too, but that's our CP. Obviously I can't stop people running theirs.. but It's like asked & answered, isn't it?

Posted by: Dik | September 12, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Ok Dik,

But cp is paid alot of $ to do what they tell him to do, like he himself stated. Be a leader. If he can't do it beccause that's not his style, sorry, grow up. They pay you the big bucks to be the man, be the man.

Honestly, as a player, cp is my favorite skin on gameday. This other shti is news to me. oh well, how about we just go out and kick the snot out of NO. old school, new school, whatever!

Posted by: cosmofla | September 12, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm with ya there. Go SKINS

Posted by: Dik | September 12, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

CP should call out the team in the locker room. So should JC. These guys need to set the example and it starts in practice. I agree that CP take SOME time off in practice, but he needs to set an example as do all of the vets.

Maybe these guys need to get into a couple of fights in practice. Sometimes I think they are just too nice. Most guys can get into a good fight, then have a beer afterwards.

I want to see some passion in these players on Sundays. If your WR has two false starts, jump down his throat. Be leaders!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 12, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Hail Skins!!

Posted by: cosmofla | September 12, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

This post and article did exactly the Washington Post and the people who put the updates on this blog wanted it to do. Everyone is in a tizzy over what CP had to say. We already know what we get from this guy. None of this is news. I am feeling more and more that the WAPO is out to smear this team and everything about it.

What the **** did you expect putting a microphone in this guys face. Nothing new with the blog. LOL

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 12, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

"new dude" a few posts ago did it for me.

Too much ego, and to make it worse, at times, feigned humility.

Aside from contempt for the Redskins, which enough people have rightly complained about, LaCanfora loves that much of the blog is about him. His posts contain little to no inside information. It seems this blog has become nothing more than reactions to a man who is compelled to cover a team he hates because it meets the professional prestige or career step he feels he deserves. Unable to belly up to the responsibilities of fully covering the team, La Canfora has resorted to indulging himself in his contempt. The Post's Sports page is slipping (a sentiment well documented on this blog) and the work of La Canfora in covering the town's most beloved institution might be the most damning evidence of this. I am sure the paper is aware of La Canfora's pseudo controversial approach, and I am sure they embrace it. Sadly, coverage of the team has suffered as a result.

I've checked in on this blog over the past year silently, looking for info on the Skins. What I have found more often than actual information on the team is the whining analysis of a lazy newspaper writer who has the benefit of covering a questionably run organization. Whether you agree with them or not, going after Snyder/ Cerrato is easy, it's mindless and any real fan motivated to the point of getting information online would naturally, at some point, at least question the owner’s approach. The constant beating of the drum is beyond unnecessary, even when the point is valid, and the "thought" that is put into La Canfora's efforts are no better than that heard on talk radio, only they are dressed with a better hold of the language- though clearly without spell check.

Upon first read, La Canfora is protected from "hack" status only through the protection of The Washington Post sitting above his name. But over time, without providing substantial information on the team and even the more interesting items actually being links to other peoples work... it has to be clear to everyone, even those that desperately defend him, that we as readers of the paper and blog deserve better than La Canfora and the Post can and should provide it. I don't know the man, but from reading this blog he has willingly put forth enough of his personality to the point where his snide attitude and bloated self image have become just as grating as the lack of information provided about the Washington Redskins. To pile on, I have no problem adding that the soccer junk, music plugs, Jerry Coleman updates and hipster white boy post-slang talk have become just as annoying as his pride in hating Vinny. And that doesn't mean you need a fan, or someone sympathetic to the organization- just someone willing to do the work and get the job done.

Wouldn’t we all like the odd bit of actual inside information? I suppose until anyone demands better, readers will be stuck hearing the same song over and over (and to only praise the team when they are doing well does not make for unbiased reporting, or reporting at all. I can provide optimism just as well from my couch). Anyway, I’m sick of it. This place is a joke, and rest assured I will obey the calls of “get lost” fully understanding that if I don’t like something I don’t need to expose myself to it. The Post isn’t the only game in town, but as a local, having grown up reading the paper I am disappointed to do so.


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Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Skip in VA, you are right. And they know that the skins have someone reading the media to report back, so they post these types of propaganda.

I just ignore for the most part and try to follow the comments (when not too negative) and get together with other Skins fans. Not many out here where I live.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 12, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

If my bro, Redskins Willie, were on this thing, I know what he'd say:

PORTIS? He's a Full--Grown--MAN! I tell ya!

Posted by: stumped | September 12, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

When will people realize that the insider blog is just a chance for us to discuss and react to the skins, its where JLa gives us his opinion and inside news on the team. If you don't like go elsewhere, I for one appreciate the opinion and the info. And truthfully, if you can look at this franchise for the last fifteen years or so and not be critical, than your the fan Snyder loves.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 5:56 PM

Well roll me in flour and call me a SJK pizza! I SJK agree w/Jack fro once.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

When will people realize that the insider blog is just a chance for us to discuss and react to the skins, its where JLa gives us his opinion and inside news on the team. If you don't like go elsewhere, I for one appreciate the opinion and the info. And truthfully, if you can look at this franchise for the last fifteen years or so and not be critical, than your the fan Snyder loves.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 5:56 PM

Who the f cares what you think. You always sound like an idiot when you post. If you don't like what some have to say, then ignore what they post.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Chain of Command:

Snyder
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Cerrato
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Portis
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Snyder's wife
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Zorn

Posted by: Carl Williams | September 12, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Hierarchy:

Snyder
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Cerrato
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Portis
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Snyder's wife
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Zorn

Posted by: Carl Williams | September 12, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

were Fujita and Simmy starters?

Posted by: Greg | September 12, 2008 4:40 PM

Do you follow the sport much? Go shove some more Domino's pizza into that gaping hole in your face the words come out of. You bloated moron.

Posted by: Todd | September 12, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else tired of the anonymous sniping?

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

This is football treason! You don't say this in the media after the first game of the season.

Portis is a great player, but this SH*T is wack. Just shut up and play.

Posted by: sicwidit | September 12, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

What is the status of Springs and Smoot for the game?

Posted by: CBT | September 12, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Yes, how dare Jason LaCa point out such things as. . .

1. The Danomen have the 2nd highest player payroll in the NFL.

2. Since lil' Dano has bought the team, they have had the #1 avg. player payroll (for ten years).

3. They still have the #1 coaches payroll.

4. They are still paying Marty, Spurrier and Gibbs.

5. They have had the most laughable F.O. in the entire league since Dano has owned & GM'ed the team.

6. They - again, look unprepared and confused, not to mention completly unmotivated this season (the last three games).

7. They have a head coach that keeps saying he doesn't really know how to be a head coach and that fans should be "patient."

8. They have a offensive coordinator that . . .(see above).

9. They have a owner blind to what is obvious to anyone willing to see the truth. And, the owner knows nothing about being a GM and that the "system" he keeps saying is fine and "working" is an absolute joke to every other NFL professional front office executive.

10. That the majority of the fans that fill the monstrosity called fedx, are 20-35 year old, drunken homers that really don't know who won home games until the next day when they sober-up.

Yes, Jason has the uncensored gall to report what he sees and believes - and gives his opinions in one of the last media formats in the D.C. area not bought out by the impish, impulsive little team owner (and GM).

Keep up the great work - Jason!

Posted by: bongaloid | September 12, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

4. They are still paying Marty, Spurrier and Gibbs.

No they're not, Marty got paid cause he got fired, when you quit you don't get paid anymore.

Posted by: zfjr2 | September 12, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else tired of the anonymous sniping?

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 6:09 PM

No

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Yeah zjfr2 it's a shame. What has this world come too when a know-it-all like Gregg gets called out for knowing nothing?

Posted by: Todd | September 12, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bongaloid | September 12, 2008 6:14 PM

Another idiot. Fine if Ladumbfora says it once or twice, but he does not have to keep repeating it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over....

Well, even you must get my point.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

zfjr....

I will grant you that this organization has been dysfunctional for many years, but I think they are now on the right track. It's interesting that some of the Snyder/Cerratto haters never rip the players. These are professionals who get paid millions. Some of the personnel selected have been overpaid and underacheivers and that rests on the front office. But this team has talent. In defense of Snyder/Cerrato, it's not their fault if you don't catch the ball, drop INT's, of miss blocks.

I for one enjoyed watching the Redskins in the playoffs in two of the last 4 years. So don't tell me that this organization is going to hell due to Snyer and Cerrato. They have made some major mistakes as has Joe "Jesus" Gibbs, but NO ONE RIPS THE PLAYERS WHO PLAY.

If you want to spread some blame, Joe Gibbs should get his share. He was the team President and hid thumbprint was on this too. This team ran an antiquated offense, then ran a conservative offense. We did not rotate in new players and Gibbs overcommitted to veterans. JC didn't even take snaps with the second team in his first year! Yeah, I know Gibbs brought us through the ST tragedy...well so did Snyder and Cerrato.

Cerrato tries to turn this roster around with youth...

Gibbs trades picks and overpays for Lloyd, Archuleta, Duckett, ARE, Santana Moss.

This is Cerrato's team now and I say give him 2 years. These are his picks, his coach, and his personnel. If they don't progress in two years, then rip em.

Posted by: sicwidit | September 12, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Yeah zjfr2 it's a shame. What has this world come too when a know-it-all like Gregg gets called out for knowing nothing?

Posted by: Todd | September 12, 2008 6:22 PM

Actually the poster was being a jerk to me, but regardless, just posting mean things and not actually talking about the topic being discussed or starting a new.....or not being intelligent enough to participate so you have to resort to mudslinging while not having the balls to post your own name or handle and own up to your posts, is kinda annoying.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

What destroyed the Redskins as we knew them from 71 through the early 90s? Among other things FedEx has no heart and soul, a classic case of there being no there there. Call it the curse of RFK, the most spirited American sports venue of the 20th Century where a diverse crowd with passion coursing through their veins rose as one to cheer their beloved Washington. The Skins will not win in their current nondescript parking lot arena, while playing host to a sea of complacent corporate hacks more interested in their concessions purchase than screaming for their team. It is a pity.

Posted by: Bud Jackson | September 12, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Ofcourse little Dano is still paying off his former coaches! He got rid of them all, as in "fired." Gibbs walked away by using his little grandson as an excuse, but he still retains his salary (for all that consulting he does). Yeah, right.

The point is, Dano has no more idea of how to run a winning NFL franchise than he did when Fred Drassner gave him the money to be the majority owner.

I didn't say Dano didn't know how to run a profitable franchise. He's pulled the wool over the young fan's eyes for 10 years by saying that he's a fan too! Yeah, a fan of money.

As long as he gets away with a subpar product on the field, and record cash receipts, he will continue his plundering ways and hire and fire coaches every year or two, whatever his current whim.
He lives by P.T. Barnum's famous adage. . ."there's a sucker (89,000 of them on home Sunday's) born every minute."

Posted by: ART | September 12, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Oh...I forgot...since you guys want to bring up the past....

The Skins "D" gave up 248 yards on the ground AT HOME to Tiki Barber. The next day the WaPo runs a story on how dysfunctional the organization is.

C'mon man!

Posted by: sicwidit | September 12, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

winning cures perceptions of you. look at George Bush. ok, bad example.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

When will people realize that the insider blog is just a chance for us to discuss and react to the skins, its where JLa gives us his opinion and inside news on the team. If you don't like go elsewhere, I for one appreciate the opinion and the info. And truthfully, if you can look at this franchise for the last fifteen years or so and not be critical, than your the fan Snyder loves.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 5:56 PM

Actually the poster was being a jerk to me, but regardless, just posting mean things and not actually talking about the topic being discussed or starting a new.....or not being intelligent enough to participate so you have to resort to mudslinging while not having the balls to post your own name or handle and own up to your posts, is kinda annoying.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 6:25 PM

Well, when you address your posts to people, then anyone is going to respond. Why don't you just grow some thick skin and stop being a cry baby?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Portis biting remarks lead me to think that if this season really tanks, I mean 3 to 5 wins, then the squabbling on this blog and throughout Skins territory will be matched by a meltdown in the clubhouse. Gibbs could hold that off but Zorn will not be able to, and the battles and backbiting will be bitter.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

My name is Zjfr2 Todd Johnson. I decided to use my middle name so the two of us won't be confused. Didn't want to tarnish your rep.

Posted by: Todd | September 12, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

If this locker room tanks....

I'll take a lesson from the Giants. Snyder/Cerrato would need to show support for Zorn. You all have to remember that Gibbs QUIT suddenly. This forces the team to rebuild through a new coach and new offense. If players don't like it play through it or be traded or released.

Posted by: sicwidit | September 12, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

A win Sunday and all this Sh*t goes away!!!

Posted by: sicwidit | September 12, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

This is Cerrato's team now and I say give him 2 years. These are his picks, his coach, and his personnel. If they don't progress in two years, then rip em.

Posted by: sicwidit | September 12, 2008 6:24 PM

sicwidit, I have been critical of the players, Jansen, JC, Moss, CP, Taylor, and have received the hatred from it. To me for a long time now, Cerrato has been one of the few constants throughout the bad decision making, maybe they weren't completely his decisions but he was a part of all of them, so forgive me if I'm not totally stoked he's in charge now....and his first draft, I don't feel great about, two wideouts when we hope one may start soon at some point best case because Moss at going anywhere, a backup TE when you already have a pro bowler, a potential starter on our Oline down the road (our best pick in my opinion), and an undersized mouthy corner that looked like he had no business on a practice squad in the preseason from 5 picks in the middle rounds is not impressive at all. He could have completely revamped our lines in one fell swoop instead of still counting on overachievers at d tackle, an old injury prone guy at end (causing us to give up a 2nd next year for a 34 year-old rental) and to continue to count on no injuries from an injury prone line by signing nobody and only drafting one potential backup/starter. I'm hoping their thoughts were that one more time if we could get Jansen and Thomas back healthy we'd be fine, hopefully now, like everybody else in the league, Cerrato will see the writing on the wall and address our lines this offseason. If he does that, then ok, they've learned something, but if we spend another year chasing corners and wideouts then its obvious we do have the dumbest front office in football. Unfortunately now we only have 4 picks to do that with.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Now is really the time to start rotating some of the younger players in who show that they want to practice hard, play hard and win. As a fan, I will take a loss if the team played "thier guts out" for real. Last week left me wanting.

And you have it right sicwidit, if Zorn is the choice of the FO, then support him even if that means getting rid of THEIR favorite players.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 12, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Well, when you address your posts to people, then anyone is going to respond. Why don't you just grow some thick skin and stop being a cry baby?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 6:30 PM

Why don't you stop hating and start participating, either say something relevant or shut up.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

My problem with the Skins is simply that they cannot at present challenge for the trophy yet they are not getting better. The trajectory is not upward, but treading water and try as I might I am unable to see that this is likely to change in the next couple of years. I hope I'm wrong but I think we're saddled with average or slightly above average teams for the forseable future. That hurts.

Posted by: Bud Jackson | September 12, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Why don't you stop hating and start participating, either say something relevant or shut up.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 6:40 PM

See what I mean? Try ignoring me and maybe then I will go away.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

This is Cerrato's team now and I say give him 2 years. These are his picks, his coach, and his personnel. If they don't progress in two years, then rip em.

Posted by: sicwidit | September 12, 2008 6:24 PM

To me for a long time now, Cerrato has been one of the few constants throughout the bad decision making, maybe they weren't completely his decisions but he was a part of all of them, so forgive me if I'm not totally stoked he's in charge now....and his first draft, I don't feel great about,

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 6:38 PM

So what you're saying is that you're not willing to give him two years and see how the players turn out? Your mind is made up after only 1 regular season game in which most of the guys didn't play? What if four of them get selected to the Pro Bowl? Do you think then that you might change your mind?

Meet the new Jack, same as the old Jack. Never learned anything because he already knows everything.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

You know when you take an ice pick and jab it up your nose? That hurts too

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

So what you're saying is that you're not willing to give him two years and see how the players turn out? Your mind is made up after only 1 regular season game in which most of the guys didn't play? What if four of them get selected to the Pro Bowl? Do you think then that you might change your mind?

Meet the new Jack, same as the old Jack. Never learned anything because he already knows everything.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 6:44 PM

Once again no logic to refute my point, just saying wait and see, because you can't argue with the fact that this team needed a lot more than a backup TE and two more wideouts when we have already spent way to much on wideouts recently anyway.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

He could have completely revamped our lines in one fell swoop

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 6:38 PM

While I agree that we needed to focus on O and D lines in this past draft, a "complete revamp" of the lines is unrealistic.

Posted by: CBT | September 12, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

and exactly what have you learned from watching this organization for the last few years, how not to run a football team? What exactly should I be learning here?

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Look, there is going to be a learning curve when you not only change the head coach, but the offensive philosophy. Let's give this team and FO a chance before we start with woe is this team.

From what I saw at the end of last year, our OL (once the starters got healthy) was pretty good. This may have been what the FO/coach saw and decided to draft skill positions for. My guess is that Rinehart and Geisinger (not to mention Crummey) will be replacing some of our OL men next year and on D we are moving in the youth direction.

Realisitically (and I was not realistic coming into the season) if we finish at 500, then we are doing OK. We were not going to win it all this year, so let's be a little patient with this process. And give this coach a chance.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 12, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Once again no logic to refute my point, just saying wait and see, because you can't argue with the fact that this team needed a lot more than a backup TE and two more wideouts when we have already spent way to much on wideouts recently anyway.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 6:48 PM

Dear wingnut--

You need "logic"? Where's your logic? You got nothing but prejudice. Your have judged the draft before any of the players have played.

My logic is the same as sic's: After two years if they guys don't have a future in the league, then Vinny made mistakes. Before then is too early.

If you don't think we need WRs you weren't watching the first game. Moss pulled up. ARE was invisible. Thrash couldn't make a play. Zorn rightly saw it as his biggest position of need.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

While I agree that we needed to focus on O and D lines in this past draft, a "complete revamp" of the lines is unrealistic.

Posted by: CBT | September 12, 2008 6:50 PM

Adding 5 players from the middle of the draft of some combination to both sides of the ball on the lines would have done us a ton of good....totally revamped was an overstatement you're right, but at most we should have picked either Kelly or Thomas, not both. And I don't pretend to know everything and say which one, and I also won't be one of the people on here that would pretend to say I knew Royal or Jackson would have been better right away than Kelly or Thomas, what I will say, it doesn't take a genius to see this team didn't need to spend three picks on positions we actually have talent on ignoring areas we needed upgrades or depth at.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

And I forgot Clark. I think he will also be in the rotation next year.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 12, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Oh OK Bud you Einstein you. All you guys calling for another 7 or 8 year trial ala Norvell, get real bozos.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

You need "logic"? Where's your logic? You got nothing but prejudice. Your have judged the draft before any of the players have played.

My logic is the same as sic's: After two years if they guys don't have a future in the league, then Vinny made mistakes. Before then is too early.

If you don't think we need WRs you weren't watching the first game. Moss pulled up. ARE was invisible. Thrash couldn't make a play. Zorn rightly saw it as his biggest position of need.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 6:54 PM

Again, you're totally missing the point, wr is well known to be one of the most difficult positions to draft, and I honestly hope that Kelly and Thomas become great players and think they will, doesn't change the fact that we picked them at the expense of more glaring needs. That's all I've been saying, and that decision is what forced us to once again, have to make a knee-jerk reaction to plug a hole and mortgage a future starter (2nd round picks are generally expected to be starters either right away or soon for a long time) to plug a hole with an older guy on the downside of his career. Tell me where my logic is off oh wait and see one?

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

....what I will say, it doesn't take a genius to see this team didn't need to spend three picks on positions we actually have talent on ignoring areas we needed upgrades or depth at.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 6:55 PM

If Thrash is your third WR, then this team needed to draft two WR on this draft. That neither of the two rookies could beat him out does say something, but Thrash would not be #3 on anyother competitive team. Moss will not be here much longer, so again I can't fault the drafting of two WRs. The TE, well maybe Zorn felt that with his system, this was a smart choice.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

(2nd round picks are generally expected to be starters either right away or soon for a long time) to plug a hole with an older guy on the downside of his career. Tell me where my logic is off oh wait and see one?

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 6:59 PM

What does right away or SOON mean? If our 2nd rd picks are playing by game four will that be soon? We have played one game and Thomas did play in that game. Let's see what we see over the next four games.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 12, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

If Thrash is your third WR, then this team needed to draft two WR on this draft. That neither of the two rookies could beat him out does say something, but Thrash would not be #3 on anyother competitive team. Moss will not be here much longer, so again I can't fault the drafting of two WRs. The TE, well maybe Zorn felt that with his system, this was a smart choice.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 7:00 PM

This was me.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 12, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

If Thrash is your third WR, then this team needed to draft two WR on this draft. That neither of the two rookies could beat him out does say something, but Thrash would not be #3 on anyother competitive team. Moss will not be here much longer, so again I can't fault the drafting of two WRs. The TE, well maybe Zorn felt that with his system, this was a smart choice.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 7:00 PM

I think your wrong on Moss, but nobody knows on that and I wouldn't begin to argue it, but a #3 or 4 wideout is easy to find in FA, dependable young lineman with potential are not. And a good backup TE can be found outside of the 2nd round.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Let's see what we see over the next four games.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 12, 2008 7:04 PM

Curzon, you're willing to wait four games? You're dealing with Jack the Ripper here. He's not even willing to wait one game.

He knew when the draft was over that it was a bust. He could tell that because, well, he knew that our DE would go down and we'd have to trade for Jason Taylor. Guy's got 20-20 hindsight and 20-20 foresight. He knows everything.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

at most we should have picked either Kelly or Thomas, not both.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 6:55 PM

I do not have a problem with picking both. If they both pan out, we could be set at receiver for the next decade.

I never understood Davis when we already have Cooley. It's not like Cooley is old. I know the whole "best player available" argument, but I would have loved that pick to be on the highest rated O or D line player available.

That being said, I am past complaining. I really hope (and want to believe) that the FO has learned from their past mistakes and are committed to building through the draft.

Posted by: CBT | September 12, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

I think your wrong on Moss, but nobody knows on that and I wouldn't begin to argue it, but a #3 or 4 wideout is easy to find in FA, dependable young lineman with potential are not. And a good backup TE can be found outside of the 2nd round.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 7:07 PM

IMO this off season there were no good FA to sign. Zorn passed on Hackett, which says something and I think he was injured (again) during the preseason.

I also think that FDavis will be playing before mid season and will be here for years so it may not be a bad draft.

Our D is not bad and when/(if) they are healthy we will be more that above average. That leaves the OL that may have needed to be addressed in the draft. Again, I think that we are ok IF we stay healthy. Big IF.

Let's wait a few games before making judgements on this draft. We may be ok as line men do not take as ling as skill positions (except RBs) to get into NFL readiness.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 12, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

I never understood Davis when we already have Cooley.

Posted by: CBT | September 12, 2008 7:10 PM

I am a huge Davis fan, though. I think that he can become a valuable member of the offense. I hope the Redskins can figure out how two use two pass catching TEs effectively. I will consider the pick wasted if Davis's production comes at the expense of Cooley.

Posted by: CBT | September 12, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Our D is not bad and when/(if) they are healthy we will be more that above average. That leaves the OL that may have needed to be addressed in the draft. Again, I think that we are ok IF we stay healthy. Big IF.

Let's wait a few games before making judgements on this draft. We may be ok as line men do not take as ling as skill positions (except RBs) to get into NFL readiness.


Again, I don't care if they become contributors or not, and there were some options at wideout (Berrian, Muhammed, Bryant Johnson, Porter) even if Hackett wasn't liked by Zorn, and it didn't take a psychic to guess that Daniels might get hurt, he's been hurt every year since he's been here. and again, every year its if we can stay healthy if we can stay healthy, this is the freaking NFL, injuries are a fact of doing business, the truth is good teams don't plan on staying healthy because they don't over invest in there starters (who have underperformed) at the expense of their depth. The only injuries that should cripple a team are to the franchise QB if they're lucky enough to have one or to a marquee start that the team is built around. (LT) The rest of the players should be interchangeable to the point that if a starter goes down there isn't a dramatic dropoff to the point that the team can't be successful. Now tell me, what position on the Redskins is there an elite, marquee talent that should cripple the team if he goes down?

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

ling??? what the heck is a ling? I meant long.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 12, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

I do hope CP understands most of us do love him and understand what he's talking about. I completely agree with him, and have been saying it since he got here-the guy has been dodging 2-3 tackles before he even gets to the line. He has the heart of a lion. anyway, CP, I hope you stay, because any fool can see your heart on the field on Sunday, and most of us appreciate that, even if there are some knuckleheads like the guy on ESPN radio today who was makin fun of Portis-Portis is a buff LT-better than LT. All the moves, twice the muscle.

Posted by: B | September 12, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2, we may be going around in circles here, but since I have no where else to go and am enjoying some martini's right now, I will continue the ride.

Both of our WRs were hurt last year. Thrash was the first WR who caught a TD last year and that was in like game 8. Yes, our OL had several injuries last year and maybe we should have drafted for those positions also, but I would argue that if we would have used our 2nd rd. picks on either OL or DL, they would not have been of starting caliber for game one, or even before game 8. With somewhat healthy WRs, we can work our young WRs in sooner than we could young OL/DL in regards to drop in performance. There are no starting OL/DL in this years 2nd rd draft.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 12, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Its amazing how toned down the expectations for this team are after 1 game. I'm not trying to revive any old controversy, but if GG were the HC and Saunders the OC, we'd be expected to compete for the division title. Now, one game in, every is screaming patience and how 8-8 would be good for this transition year.

If GG and Al Saunders were here, we would not be in transition.

Which is, at least for me, one of the big issues. THIS TEAM IS GOING THRU A MAJOR TRANSITION THAT IT DIDN'T NEED TO GO THRU. There is a legit criticism of mgmt for that. It has nothing to do with Zorn or the players. They didn't change the players who were good enough to for the 2007 team to be one of the 10 best teams in the NFL by the end of the season.

Not only is Zorn required to rebuild the offense around his and Vinny's ideas, he also has to deal with numerous responsibilities that far exceed any he has had. Plus, the 2007 team had a very unique chemistry, forged from tragedy. Zorn is an outsider to that and retaining that focus was perhaps the most obvious issue in week 1.

When the 2008 season is over, we'll all know if this transition was a step in the right direction. The talent is here.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 12, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Curzon417 | September 12, 2008 7:32 PM

I like circles :) I agree, from an immediate contribution standpoint you're right, barring the slightly foreseeable injury to Daniels, it was unlikely that a bunch of young lineman would contribute to the Redskins this year. But, this time has been getting older and older every year and it has been time for a while to address that. Ignoring it to pick wideouts, when nobody can argue that drafting wideouts (especially in this organization) is a gamble, and that wideouts can be found in FA, seemed like a really stupid choice to me but hey, I could be wrong....

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Zeke, I completely agree with you that GG should have been HC and Al OC. Not sure that GG would have kept Al, but would have been the best way to go.

Now, I could bash the FO, ala JLC, or I could move forward with what we have- Zorn. I was optimistic that we could win 10 games this year. Because of the loss to the Gints, I am down to 9 wins and will be ok with 8. Anything more and I will be VERY pissed off.

I refuse to look back and say how it could have been. Otherwise I would do that with many aspects of my life. We are here now, with Zorn and I am willing to give the guy a chance even if that means patience and 8-8.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 12, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 7:41 PM

We could both be wrong, but we are getting to a middle ground on this discussion. Though I think that we will both be winners if the Skins have a winning season and especially if they make the playoffs!

OK, maybe the martini's are talking now.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 12, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is the one thing I'm not upset with, he is a refreshing change from Gibbs, comes from a proven system with a proven coach who has taught lots of other coaches who have become good coaches too. And I'm willing to be patient, but if we have another offseason of ignoring the needs of this team, I will have given up completely on Snyderatto.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

I do not have a problem with picking both. If they both pan out, we could be set at receiver for the next decade.

I never understood Davis when we already have Cooley. It's not like Cooley is old. I know the whole "best player available" argument, but I would have loved that pick to be on the highest rated O or D line player available.


Posted by: CBT | September 12, 2008 7:10 PM

Perfectly said CBT. Chance of one WR working out is pretty modest, so take 2 and there is a decent chance you'll get one. If you get two that work out, better still. The Fred Davis pick still makes no sense to me. Pick a guy who will be playing every down. Davis is a backup to Cooley, a young Pro Bowler with a long term contract. Why use a 2nd round pick for a backup?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

looks like I am being ignored, so I will go for now :(

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

As Forrest Gump once remarked, "Jim Zorn is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get."

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 12, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Zeke, I completely agree with you that GG should have been HC and Al OC. Not sure that GG would have kept Al, but would have been the best way to go.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 12, 2008 7:42 PM

I was hoping for the same thing when Gibbs 2.0 retired, but ownership/management had other ideas. Continuity would've been the best thing for the team IMO, but I'm just a fan and ownership/management is in charge of putting a "product" on the field on gameday. I still wonder what GG did to not earn the job, other than stating that he was going to keep Al Saunders for at least one more season. That probably would've helped JC's development as it appears that the Air Coryell Offense is better suited to his skill-set more so than the WCO, although he was successful his senior year at Auburn running a WCO. I'm sure new stories/drama will unfold as the season plays out. You never know what will happen during a game, that's why they play them. I just hope that the Skins give it their all for 60 minutes

Posted by: JinxMan | September 12, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2, I am a Snyder hater (hey, that rhymes!), but heck, these are my Skins (even never having lived east of NM). Can't wait for the return to greatness that we had into the early '90s. These bozos better start getting it right or I may jump on the JLC bandwagon.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 12, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

JinxMan, the problem is we have an Air Coryell QB with a WCO RB. Is there a solution in the middle for these two?

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 12, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Now tell me, what position on the Redskins is there an elite, marquee talent that should cripple the team if he goes down?

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 7:23 PM

Chris Samuels. And there was nobody available in the draft at the spot that Redskins were picking that could play a starting left tackle. I don't have a huge problem with the draft. The WR position was a position of need so I have no problem with drafting two players. TE was a luxury pick, but Fred Davis has both talent and work ethics. Reinhart was a good pick. Tryon was a reach in the fourth round, I'll give you that. Colt has talent and was a good value in the sixth round. I cannot argue with selection of a punter - Frost cost us several games last year with his shanks. A DE in the seventh round was worth a shot. Safeties were solid picks at the position of need. I am not suggesting that all pick will pan out, but I did not see any really stupid picks.

Posted by: M | September 12, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

JinxMan, the problem is we have an Air Coryell QB with a WCO RB. Is there a solution in the middle for these two?

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 12, 2008 7:58 PM

LOL!!! I think you hit on it. We brought in Zorn to revamp the passing game, he kept the run game. We should have kept the passing game and redone the run attack. DOH!!!

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 12, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

+++You need "logic"? Where's your logic? You got nothing but prejudice. Your have judged the draft before any of the players have played.

My logic is the same as sic's: After two years if they guys don't have a future in the league, then Vinny made mistakes. Before then is too early.+++--ONE OF THE MANY ANONS

I suspect some of the players he drafted will be good player, but Vinny has already made mistakes, and not just the ones he made in previous years.

I think appointing an inexperienced coach as head coach was a mistake. Certainly the way it came about was bizarre.

First he appoints the assistant coaches, including Zorn. Then he jerks arouns a slew of head coach candidates. Then, he promotes from within.

Not only is Zorn inexperienced but he's put in a powerless position. His staff has been hired for him, and a "strong GM" is making his (faulty) personnel decisions for him.

No wonder the team doesn't perceive him as strong. No wonder rookies sleep in and show up out of shape. No wonder regulars run races behind the coaches back. No wonder his star running back mouths off, and undecuts his authority.

Now a smart GM owner combo would let a fteam develop as Zorn learned his job. But when have the redskins ever been patient with coaches?

Part of that patience would be to continue to build through the draft, avoid past mistakes like renting old vets at too much money then seeing them crash and burn or get injured because they're old vets.

Instead Cerrato takes the easy road, trades away a high draft pick for a 34 year old undersized fading suprstar. Sound familiar? Tylor shows up well under his listed weight and with sore feet, and--surprise--gets injured.

When an offensive line is over thirty and underweight, you don't use ALL THREE of your highest picks to try to get taller at receiver--another mistake, IMO.

Anon, you can't get righteous and claim no one has given Vinny a chance. He's had lots of chances. And manages to bungle almost every one.

Can he become a brilliant personnel guy? Well Casserly learned his craft and improved.

But based on Cerrato's track record--and Snyder's--it's far from a sure bet.


Posted by: Corkczar, crotchety Blog Peep | September 12, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Read the article and I'm not sure how to take CP's comments. I think he set the bar so high for himself with his play in Denver, that everyone (ESPN, CNNSI, Media Outlets, Fans) is still waiting for him to have that breakout season with the Skins, especially with everything we gave up to bring him here (C. Bailey & 2nd Rd Pick). Although he's had good/great seasons here, he hasn't been able to duplicate the numbers he put up in Mile High here in the Nation's capital, as everyone expected. As he stated, had any other RB put the numbers up that he has over the past 4 seasons, other than LT, they would be held high on a pedestal, but since it's CP, it's a sub-par season for him.

Anyway, I enjoy watching him play and you can tell he gives maximum effort on gameday. As for his off the field antics (dressing in costume), I could take it or leave it cause you don't know how serious he is about the game when he does it.

Posted by: JinxMan | September 12, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

The Fred Davis pick still makes no sense to me. Pick a guy who will be playing every down. Davis is a backup to Cooley, a young Pro Bowler with a long term contract. Why use a 2nd round pick for a backup?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 7:48 PM

Anonymous, Davis was a luxury pick or the "best available talent" type of pick. Cooley has been pretty durable, but if he goes down, they needed a TE with good pass catching skills. They had Davis ranked a the first round talent.

Posted by: M | September 12, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Now tell me, what position on the Redskins is there an elite, marquee talent that should cripple the team if he goes down?

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 7:23 PM

Several places where there is a major drop off in talent. Samuels, no doubt (good call M). Moss in another (3 WR of ARE, Thrash and Devin Thomas?? Yikes!!). Cooley, since Fred Davis isn't ready. On defense, LL and Fletcher.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

What the **** did you expect putting a microphone in this guys face. Nothing new with the blog. LOL

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 12, 2008 5:46 PM

Ah yes, the old "blame the mike" ploy

Posted by: Corkczar, crotchety Blog Peep | September 12, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Oops, I take credit for the 807 and and 748 posts.

M, the Skins have an adequate backup TE in Yoder. I'd love to have 2nd round talent backing up everywhere, but thats not life in the NFL. With a second round pick, you have to get an every down sort.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 12, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

JinxMan, the problem is we have an Air Coryell QB with a WCO RB. Is there a solution in the middle for these two?

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 12, 2008 7:58 PM

Yeah, create a hybrid of the two... the WCoryellO. :)

In all seriousness, I'm not a fan of the WCO, but it's proven to work given that you have the right pieces. I think it makes it a little easier for teams to gameplan for the Skins since this is a similar offense that Holmgren, Reid & Gruden run, since they all fall under the same Bill Walsh tree. This is something they should've thought about during the offseason. If I were coach, I would take the plays/concepts that work best from both offenses and create the WCoryellO, because both offenses have won SuperBowls.

Hopefully, Zorn & Professor Sherman "Klump" will figure something out. They certainly have the pieces to create a hybrid O, especially with Rennie Simmons & Bugel as holdovers from Gibbs 2.0. The staff just has to be willing to adapt and change some things.

Posted by: JinxMan | September 12, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bongaloid | September 12, 2008 6:14 PM

Another idiot. Fine if Ladumbfora says it once or twice, but he does not have to keep repeating it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over....

Well, even you must get my point.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 6:23 PM+++


Ah the rarely seen Double "Ad Hominum Post" with an "Anonymous" chaser.

He can't come up with anything moee imaginative than "idiot" to describe you and defaults to the old "make fun of the guy's name" put down of Jasno.

Bongaloid...you don't get better endorsements of the righteousnes of your post than this sort of weak a$$ crap.

Posted by: Corkczar, crotchety Blog Peep | September 12, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Corkczar = 20/15 hindsight. So easy to beat everyone who makes a comment on here. But as soon as you post something not knocking another poster, you take it back because your "player" may be inactive.

No wonder the team doesn't perceive him as strong. No wonder rookies sleep in and show up out of shape. No wonder regulars run races behind the coaches back. No wonder his star running back mouths off, and undecuts his authority.

Posted by: Corkczar, crotchety Blog Peep | September 12, 2008 8:02 PM

How is any of this Zorn's fault? How does he know that Davis changed rooms at the last minute? How does he know that his starting RB and FS are racing behind his back? How is he supposed to know that CP was going to say what he said??

Please, smart guy, give me the answers to those three questions. Otherwise SHUT THE F UP!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

For all the naysayers that claim Zorn shouldn't have been hired as head coach because he's not qualified --

I say he's every bit as qualified as say, Dano is to play GM (that's worked out well).

or say, Palin to be v.p. ( or God help us, to be p. -- I hope to the heavens above we don't have to experience that one!)

Posted by: ExtremeArt | September 12, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, create a hybrid of the two... the WCoryellO. :)

Posted by: JinxMan | September 12, 2008 8:11 PM

LMAO!!! Though reading the rest of your post, you may be on to something here. A hybrid, using both JC's and CP's talent may be the answer here. Maybe you could e-mail the "brilliant" FO this info. Sometimes I think they could use all the help they can get.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

How is any of this Zorn's fault? How does he know that Davis changed rooms at the last minute? How does he know that his starting RB and FS are racing behind his back? How is he supposed to know that CP was going to say what he said??

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 8:14 PM

Dude, cause he's the head coach... he's supposed to know these things. As a kid growing up, didn't your mama ever tell you that mother's know everything, and somehow she always came up with the answers to your questions? Same thing goes for the head coach of a professional sports team that's supposedly worth $1.6 billion. He's supposed to have the resources and staff to know these things

BTW for all the folks posting as "Anonymous" intentionally... you are a "c#@$$!" If you all are creative/resourceful enough to knock this team, you should be able to do the same with a name.

Posted by: JinxMan | September 12, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 8:23 PM

Was me!

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 12, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Corkczar, crotchety Blog Peep | September 12, 2008 8:02 PM

Thank you for some sanity up in here

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

That's what I though Corkczar, no response! Let everyone else defend you. POS.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Corkczar, crotchety Blog Peep | September 12, 2008 8:02 PM

Thank you for some sanity up in here

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 8:26 PM

Let's see you make the calls as a GM and then take all of the ridicule that hindsight brings. It is so easy to sit back and make fun of people after the fact. Must be nice to know that you do not make any mistakes in your life. Another POS.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Samuels is a very good left tackle, he's not the best in the league, moss is a good wr he's not an elite wr, Cooley is a great TE but he is still a TE.....We have good talent, we don't have a single player on our roster that should be "irreplaceable" yet every year all we hear is excuses about injuries. Our $7 million dollar RT just got replaced by an undrafted FA and highly paid RG can't stay on the field, our high priced DT hasn't been very good since 2005, our high priced OLB can't stay on the field, our high priced wideout is undersized/has a tendancy to drop big passes last year/and lately has been quitting on routes, our overpriced tailback has been a consistent above average runner but hardly elite, tell me why I'm wrong for thinking the funds have been mismanaged and that under Snyderatto we have paid to much for guys, overestimated what we have, and failed to properly build depth...


And all of that was not Zorn's fault, and I think he gets a pass for the year regardless of what the record is if this owner has finally changed his ways as he says he has. If we ever want to hire an elite coach again, we have to give Zorn every opportunity to succeed and we have to finally support the coach properly from the front office. This year was the last straw for Vinny, if he doesn't rebuild the lines and LB's this offseason and goes nuts for the big name aging guys at positions that aren't the core of the team, then he's finally gotta go and a true football GM must be hired.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JinxMan | September 12, 2008 8:23 PM

How does the handle/name JinxMan make you less anonymous than "anonymous"????

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Let's see you make the calls as a GM and then take all of the ridicule that hindsight brings. It is so easy to sit back and make fun of people after the fact. Must be nice to know that you do not make any mistakes in your life. Another POS.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 8:39 PM

Are you actually Vinny's Mom? A few mistakes is fine, 15 years of getting wrong is not. It doesn't take a lot of football knowledge to know that our lines need help and our depth sucks, that's not "hindsight" A-hole, that's stating the obvious to almost everybody outside of redskins park.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Are you actually Vinny's Mom? A few mistakes is fine, 15 years of getting wrong is not. It doesn't take a lot of football knowledge to know that our lines need help and our depth sucks, that's not "hindsight" A-hole, that's stating the obvious to almost everybody outside of redskins park.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 8:43 PM

What you are not getting dummy is that it is easy to make the calls with hindsight. Yes, this FO has/continues to make mistakes. But those on this blog can make all of the criticism of them (FO) with hindsight. Make the calls ahead of time and then see who criticise you. It is so easy to use hindsight. Let's just support the redskins and not be so ready to point to the errors that hindsight shows us are wrong.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

zjf ... not agreeing with several points, but ... I do think if this year is a disaster, who will take the fall is going to interesting. Vinny, Zorn or Campbell ... or some combo. The dynamics of all this is going to be fascinating. I still think Vinny is fighting Gibbs' legacy, which seems like a fool's task.

I know some people think Vinny is untouchable, but I'm thinking if Danny is going to go after Cowher, Vinny is out.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 12, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

How does the handle/name JinxMan make you less anonymous than "anonymous"????

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 8:42 PM

Seriously, that's your best comeback? LOL Dude, you're sorry and still a "c#@$$."

Obviously, I'm not going to broadcast my real name/info on here, but at least I was creative enough to come up with something, even if it only took me a few seconds to come up with it. And you have the gall to try and knock me? Come on son, you better come at me better than that!

Posted by: JinxMan | September 12, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

zjf ... not agreeing with several points, but ... I do think if this year is a disaster, who will take the fall is going to interesting. Vinny, Zorn or Campbell ... or some combo. The dynamics of all this is going to be fascinating. I still think Vinny is fighting Gibbs' legacy, which seems like a fool's task.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 12, 2008 8:51 PM

AL, as JLC has put it before, Cerrato will be the one made to suffer the consequences should this team fail. You have to figure that should Vinny go down, there will be additional casualties along the way, whether it's not re-signing JC or letting Washington, Griffin & Springs walk at the end of the season... who knows what will happen.

Posted by: JinxMan | September 12, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Al, I'll choose to ignore the idiot anonymous poster that just says lets blindly support the redskins as they continue to fail and respond to your post that actually furthers the discussion and gives us something else to talk about. Btw, before I move on, what would this board be if we couldn't criticize and second guess, that's part of being a fan, you don't get to a 100,000 posts if everybody just agrees that the redskins are the most talented team in the league that is obviously going to win the super bowl and that every decision they make is perfect and above reproach cause hey, choices are tough you know. That's moronic.

Now on to Al's post, I too think it will be very interesting to see what happens IF we continue to struggle. I think Zorn is the only one that's safe. Snyder will not fire himself (unfortunately), and he has repeatedly said that he is a changed man. So to me that leaves JC and Vinny, unfortunately, I think it will be JC. Vinny has more lives than a cat and it is a contract year for a QB that everybody has said isn't a good fit for this system. (God forbid we ever design a system to accentuate what our talent does best instead of constantly forcing it to play to its weaknesses) But I think Vinny has another built in excuse to last another year, he will make a move to get a QB that fits the west coast and will say "Now we finally have what we need!" And honestly, if he does that while rebuilding the lines I'm ok with it cause as noticed and chronicled I'm not sold on JC, but if Vinny goes for a QB and WRs, and corners and once again ignores the core of the team I think he and Zorn both go after year two and we start over again with a Marty type situation with the biggest name out there getting total control.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

zj, do you think that the Skins need a massive overhaul like the one they went through when Marty was the HC/GM?

Obviously, they'll need to do something given their salary cap situation and the coach needs players that fit the coach and buy into the "kool-aid" he's selling.

Posted by: JinxMan | September 12, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

just checked out the Times...the insider Lacanfora didn't report that Kendall got fined

Posted by: sickcuz | September 12, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

God forbid we ever design a system to accentuate what our talent does best instead of constantly forcing it to play to its weaknesses)

zjfr2, that is the problem with this team. It's too much like right for these guys to evaluate their core talent, then put a system in place to exploit these talents.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

God forbid we ever design a system to accentuate what our talent does best instead of constantly forcing it to play to its weaknesses)

zjfr2, that is the problem with this team. It's too much like right for these guys to evaluate their core talent, then put a system in place to exploit these talents.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 9:23 PM

That was me

Posted by: sickcuz | September 12, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2, I have been a big supporter of Colt and have few on my side, but I think that he is the QB to run Zorn's system if for some reason JC does not (can't, is the scapegoat for Vinny, whatever..). Read that Zorn has played golf with Colt every summer for the last three years, so he may get the next chance. Can't see him ready before next year, but...

And JC may be the scape goat just so we do not have to pay him if he does not seem like the real deal this year.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 12, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Jinx, I don't know about a total overhaul, if you look at it position by position:

JC: ?
CP: very expensive for what we get
Sellers: a beast
Moss: valuable
ARE: miscast as a starter but a good player, if Thomas or Kelly emerge though he's gone
Cooley: pro bowler
Samuels: Many good years left
Kendal: probably gone after this year
Rabach: still has good years left
Thomas: depends, if injured again, I see get rid of him for what we're paying him
Jansen/Heyer: Jansen's salary means he's gone, Heyer we'll see, could be this FO's shining accomplishment if he develops into a legit starter

Carter: not going anywhere
Gholston/Monty: overachievers but here
Grif: prolly gone
Taylor: who knows if he wants to play another year
Marcus: in my opinion gone
London: best signing ever
Rocky: will be here but looking like we need an upgrade
Smoot: here
Rogers: here
Springs: prolly gone
Landry: stud
SS by committee: need an upgrade

We don't need a total overhaul, but we need a lot after this season regardless of the record and if the record is bad more than likely we need a QB too. Like I said, I think Vinny has another year because of the built in JC doesn't fit excuse, but he's gonna be really busy next offseason, and it will seal his fate, if he fails again he's gone and the total overhaul begins.....in my opinion which I was asked, that's just how I see it, its not fact, its not guaranteed, and I'm not saying nobody else is entitled to a different opinion, unless that opinion is the FO is great and this team has no problems that we're allowed to talk about because we shouldn't expect success from the team we support with our money and love cause making good decisions is hard and they don't have to do it well because they're immune from criticism cause everybody makes mistakes.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse


The GOSPEL ACCORDING TO SIC:

1) To call the Kelly and Thomas picks a bust or an unwise decision is absolutely assanine and shows no football IQ. Calvin Johnson is better than both of these guys and did nothing last year on a pass happy team. That should tell you about the learning curve.

2) Zorn needs time!!! This is Gibbs' personnel for the most part.

3) This team lacks confidence, and it starts with JC

4) Most teams have a "diva" on their team, but Portis' comments should have stayed in his mouth. I don't care how good of a player he is. He and Moss singlehandedly blew the Packers game.

5) The only personnel decision I think is absolutely ridiculous is having ARE returning punts. Why the f**k is he still doing it? Put Tryon back there!

6) Zorn should get credit for the Heyer move. Gibbs wouldn't have done it. Reinhart will start for Kendall next year and Geisinger will start for Thomas. Write it down!

7) Let's all accept that Vinny and Danny are damned if they do (hire a fresh coach) and damned if they don't (Jim Fassel). Zorn doesn't have any experience. Fassel's too old.

8) If Greg Williams was the coach, would he have kept the same Offense....so...JC would have had to learn another offense anyway.

9) If there is one position where I'd go out and get a big time FA...it's at the CB position. Springs will retire soon and we can't have too young of a secondary.

10) I don't think that some of these young QB's are that much better than JC. JC's problem is JC.

AND THAT'S THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO SIC..

Deal with it RI...

Posted by: sicwidit | September 12, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

God forbid we ever design a system to accentuate what our talent does best instead of constantly forcing it to play to its weaknesses)

zjfr2, that is the problem with this team. It's too much like right for these guys to evaluate their core talent, then put a system in place to exploit these talents.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 9:23 PM

Biggest mistake about not going with GG as HC and Al as OC. Gibbs tried got talent for a certain type of system only to have the FO go in another direction. Let's see how fast the turn around on this takes.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 12, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

You know with all the negativity, I thought I'd post some S.E.A.P.'s (Snyder Era Awards Presentations). These awards are for all things during the Snyder Era

Best Draft Pick

-Chris Cooley/Sean Taylor

Best Free Agent Signing

tough call, but

Sellars, Fletcher, Portis

Best Redskins Moment

Skins beat Dallas 14-13 in Dallas

Best Unpopular decision

Releasng LaVar Arrington


Posted by: sicwidit | September 12, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2,
I'd have to agree with your assessment.

Posted by: stumped | September 12, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Some CYA going on that's for sure.

Posted by: stumped | September 12, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

The GOSPEL ACCORDING TO SIC:

1) To call the Kelly and Thomas picks a bust or an unwise decision is absolutely assanine and shows no football IQ. Calvin Johnson is better than both of these guys and did nothing last year on a pass happy team. That should tell you about the learning curve.

sic, we'll agree to disagree here, but picking two wideouts in the second round that fell down everybody else's board for the reasons we're seeing now (brittle, and maturity) and a backup TE is just dumb in my opinion when we needed help so many other places. Again, picking one ok, but using two pick on a position we've spent so much on already doesn't seem good to me, regardless, to compare either to Calvin Johnson is a little much, and he didn't do much because he got hurt, but I didn't hear to many people saying Kelly or Thomas remotely resembled Megatron. And I think you're right on Rinehart, I'm just saying even if you took a wideout, wouldn't it be nice to have another second round level talent player to replace Thomas with instead of having our entire right side of our line made up of undrafted FAs and a second round level talent to replace Griff or Daniels (the writing was on the wall even before the injury, this was Daniel's last year) or both instead of hoping James' knee can recover, or a collection of mediocre late round picks could develop or that JT can find the fountain of youth.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 12, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Portis...what do you say about this guy? He reminds me a little bit of Keyshawn Johnson: talented guy who ends up bringing himself down because of a big gap in his mouth to production ratio.

If you never heard the guy talk and just looked at his stats, you'd have to say he's a pretty durable and talented running back. Problem is when he starts talking you get the sense that he thinks he's God's gift to the Washington Redskins. He expects to be treated like LT, except he doesn't have the rushing titles, TD records or MVPs to back it up.

Hey Clinton, if I ran behind the perfect offensive line, I could just follow my blockers untouched and take it to the house every time. The great running backs figure out how to break tackles, cut back, juke a tackler, throw a stiff arm, improvise. They don't take a dive for 3 yards and throw everyone else under the bus.

Posted by: p1funk | September 12, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone remember how excited Portis was when he was introduced to Zorn's west coast system? Stump Mitchell, Sherman Smith, and Zorn had Portis believing he'd potentially be a 2,000 yard back in this system. One week in and he's talking about switching places with other backs! Portis seems to have a habit of running off at the mouth (Michael Vick dogfighting comment..."huntin is legal?") I think if he's so close with Snyder, the Danny should call him into his office and tell him to play football and stop saying stupid stuff to the media.

Posted by: teechur | September 12, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Agreed Teech!

Posted by: sicwidit | September 12, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Biggest mistake about not going with GG as HC and Al as OC. Gibbs tried got talent for a certain type of system only to have the FO go in another direction. Let's see how fast the turn around on this takes.


Posted by: Curzon417 | September 12, 2008 9:34 PM


Seriously, how did they expect to be a very good team this year? Yeah they drafted some WR's and another TE who should fit well in the west coast. But realistically that wasn't gonna happen in 2008. We have 2 complete morons running the show so expect little improvement until 1 or both go.

If Colt Brennan is our starting QB, I am tossing out my gear and won't be making it a priority to watch games. Guy is a midget who will have half his passes batted down like he did in the bowl game last year against Georgia.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

CP wasn't a free agent. Traded for Chump.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who has played any kind of sports knows how often a perceived "star" gets preferential treatment (taking it easy in practice, seeming to have a different set of rules than the rest, etc.) When that "star" performs and carries the team to victory, usually all is forgiven. But when they call out their own teammates who are quietly working hard and complain while others keep their mouths shut...you can't help but have contempt toward a person like that as a teammate. It's not obvious that I've dealt with something personally like this is it? Zorn, JC, the linemen, and all the rest may say that they are ok with CP, but I would have to think that someone will speak to him and he needs to apologize or this could cause major problems.

Posted by: teechur | September 12, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse


This is the 1978 NFL Draft picks...

Posted by: sicwidit | September 12, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Sorry here they are:

Earl Campbell · Art Still · Wes Chandler · Chris Ward · Terry Miller · James Lofton · Ken MacAfee · Ross Browner · Keith Simpson · Gordon King · Luther Bradley · Clay Matthews · Mike Kenn · John Jefferson · Steve Little · Blair Bush · Doug Williams · Bob Cryder · Ken Greene · Elvis Peacock · Randy Holloway · Ron Johnson · Ozzie Newsome · Dan Bunz · Reese McCall · John Anderson · Don Latimer · Larry Bethea

Posted by: sicwidit | September 12, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

i'm panicing here! i just can't do four more years of the same. i just can't. i can't have sarah f-ing palin leader of the free world...

Posted by: dealer | September 12, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

dealer,
I feel your McPain,

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, I want to take pictures of you in the park.

Posted by: Knick Knack Patty | September 12, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

WOW! Watching the 75 NFC Championship game between the Vikings and girls on NFLN. Quite a bit different game played back then. Forgot what that was like. Loved to watch Fran Tarkenton and Chuck Forman back then.

They were the Bills of the 70s.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 12, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

i want me some free handouts. go osama

Posted by: dealer | September 12, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

see "dealer" you killed the blog with your last fake comment.

anyways...isn't this like illegal or unethical or something? for the shrink to tell the police that his/her patient might be trying to kill him/herself? ohh wait...i think i just answered my own question...it's okay because he/she believes that he/she's trying to prevent his/her patient's life by breaching the doctor/patient privilage....thingmajiggie...

so yeah...palin scares the crap out of me...

Posted by: dealer | September 13, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

i like anderson cooper but man...tonite was lame. he's standing in houston, about to get blown away and is talking about palin and such...and then he's talking about ike and then he's talking about the train that collided in ca. dude! focus on the hurricane and the train! who the f cares about palin when people are dying around you...priorities are whacked i tell you.

Posted by: dealer | September 13, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

ann, that's pretty cool. mcpain. mcpain where the f was he in 2000 or 2004? ugh!

Posted by: dealer | September 13, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

okay here's my ipod play list and what's on yours? before i go on...can we just give it up for rihana...or however she spells her name...the girl has more hits on one album than bad and thriller combined...

1. rhiana
2. kate perry
3. fergi (damn they're all women so far! so?)
4. rhiana
5. rihana
6. reehana
7. kid rock (sweet home alabama)
8. jt
9. gnr
10. ec
11. rhiana
12. nirvana
13. nirvana
14. rhiana
15. ll
16. billy jean
17. fergi
18. 2pac
21. fugies
22. lauren hill
19. biggie
20. biggie
21. rhiana
22. 2pac
23. mm
24. mm
25. icube
26. tone loc
27. young mc
28. rhiana
29. biggie
30. the dude from ATL
31. mm
32. alicia keys(don't like her cuz she won't come out of the closet but she's got voice)
33. rhiana


(who's missing? and can never crack my ipod? dr. dre, metallica, mc hammer, vanilla ice, brian adams, oddly enough i liked peter gabriel better than i liked phil collins)

Posted by: dealer | September 13, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

dealer, just a sampling of what has rolled by on the itunes this evening:

'Boots of Spanish Leather' Dylan via Joan Baez
'More Than This' Roxy Music
'He, Roger Williams' Slim Cessna's Auto Club

How's that grab ya?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 13, 2008 1:37 AM | Report abuse

(Kind of hate to admit it, but I stopped watching the J-Reid videos a few weeks ago. I tried. I really tried. And I like the dude a lot. And I am interested in what he has to say. But something about watching a video just harshes my RI mellow. Y'know?)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 13, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse

The hits keep on comin'

'The Broad Majestic Shannon' The Pogues
'This F***ing Town' Reid Paley
'Acuff-Rose' Uncle Tupelo
'Time to Burn' Speedbuggy
'Diamonds on the Soles of Her Shoes' Paul Simon

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 13, 2008 2:08 AM | Report abuse

How about let's get a moderator on these blogs?

I am very encouraged by Clinton's comments. The Redskins are too much of 1) the stands are full, 2) the money's coming in, 3) the franchise is worth 1.6 billion, 4) everybody's getting paid - in fact many are overpaid as Clinton points out ---
-- what's not to like?

If the management including the "world class amateur" owner does not want to or cannot win, it's time the players stepped up and did it. Clinton has issued the first challenge and he clearly is pointing at the offensive line. I hope the fans support Clinton as I do.

Posted by: hz9604 | September 13, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse


Clinton Portis better hope he doesn't put the ball on the ground tomorrow. He will go from fan favorite to goat.

The more I think about his comments, the more he loses points with me.

Posted by: sicwidit | September 13, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Clinton has issued the first challenge and he clearly is pointing at the offensive line. I hope the fans support Clinton as I do.


Posted by: hz9604 | September 13, 2008 8:02 AM


Clinton Portis better hope he doesn't put the ball on the ground tomorrow. He will go from fan favorite to goat.

The more I think about his comments, the more he loses points with me.

Posted by: sicwidit

Why is it so obvious with everyone excpet Cerrato and Snyder that the D-Line and the O-line is where the team wins or loses? The draft was, and is a joke. Even if the WR's turn out to be decent, CP, Betts, LT, nobody runs when the O-line is sh***y like the Skins. FO stinks!

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 13, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Why is it so obvious with everyone excpet Cerrato and Snyder that the D-Line and the O-line is where the team wins or loses? The draft was, and is a joke. Even if the WR's turn out to be decent, CP, Betts, LT, nobody runs when the O-line is sh***y like the Skins. FO stinks!

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 13, 2008 8:49 AM

Oh, poor you. You've been "suffering" so long. Why don't you post on a blog about it? That should releive your "suffering."

Look, the O line has been upgraded. New guy at right tackle and guy waiting in the wings to step in a guard. What should they have done? Replaced all five guys at once?

D line has been upgraded. Added Jason Taylor, defensive player of the year, at left end. What should they do? Add four new guys at once?

The biggest position of need on the team was WR. James Thrash is our number 3? And the other two guys were both weak last year. Moss should be a number 2 and ARE should be a number 4.

And you, poor suffering "fan" should be an idiot. Wait! You already are.


Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

omg nate! i've never heard most of these fellas. except for simon and is dylan a person's name part of the group's name? i'll google it.

anyways...i'm with you on these videos. just cannot do it cindy. and i wonder if we're minority in this. i'm assuming the accompanying text is what the video is about?

Posted by: dealer | September 13, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

if you watch when portis is handed the ball he does not look for openings to the side. if he was as good as he thinks he is then he would be able to cut to the right or left where openings are sometimes. other good running backs do cut if nothing is open in the middle running lanes. he just thinks he is good. it was a bad trade but bailey wanted out of the ever changing coaching in washington. we lost on that trade. get rid of him and use betts more. i beleive betts is a much better back than portis

Posted by: rls1041 | September 13, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

dealer, pretty sure that Nate was talking about Bob Dylan.

And count me in on not watching the video, RO. Also stopped several videos ago.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 13, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

KENDALL, PIERCE LOSE A LITTLE SPENDING MONEY
Posted by Mike Florio on September 13, 2008, 7:45 a.m. EDT
Giants linebacker Antonio Pierce wants more money, courtesy of the Giants. He’ll now have less money, courtesy of the league office.

Pierce and Redskins offensive lineman Pete Kendall were fined $5,000 each for a push-and-shove thing that unfolded between them during the regular-season opener on September 4.

Pierce’s fine arose from unnecessary roughness. Kendall was fined for de-helmeting Pierce.

Neither player was penalized.

-------------------

Kendall should have knocked his block off.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 13, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Dealer, I have decided you are the anti-christ.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 13, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

PFT's fantasy rankings for quarterbacks has Tavaris Jackson ranked above JC. TAVARIS JACKSON!!!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 13, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Dealer, I have decided you are the anti-christ.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 13, 2008 10:12 AM

Do you mean that in the good way? And, Karen's the pro-Christ, right?

Posted by: motivator | September 13, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Dealer, I have decided you are the anti-christ.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 13, 2008 10:12 AM

Do you mean that in the good way? And, Karen's the pro-Christ, right?

Posted by: motivator | September 13, 2008 10:31 AM

It's a joke, don't go too far overboard about it (maybe I should have chosen a different word.) Anyone that has Nirvana on their ipod but won't put Metallica on there, or has Young MC but doesn't know who Dylan is... I'm not going to get into politics either but anyone who is panicing over a potential vice presedential candidate...no credibility.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 13, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Oh, poor you. You've been "suffering" so long. Why don't you post on a blog about it? That should releive your "suffering."

Look, the O line has been upgraded. New guy at right tackle and guy waiting in the wings to step in a guard. What should they have done? Replaced all five guys at once?

D line has been upgraded. Added Jason Taylor, defensive player of the year, at left end. What should they do? Add four new guys at once?

The biggest position of need on the team was WR. James Thrash is our number 3? And the other two guys were both weak last year. Moss should be a number 2 and ARE should be a number 4.

And you, poor suffering "fan" should be an idiot. Wait! You already are.


Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 9:23 AM

And Danny sits back and counts his money and smiles as his PR machine has tricked another person. Plugging in Heyer for Jansen isn't an upgrade, its a stop gap move made necessary because JJ's play had fallen of so dramatically that an undrafted second year FA was a better option, but is hardly an "upgrade", barring injuries its unlikely that Heyer would be a starting RT for any other team in the league. And Taylor may be an addition to the line, but he comes and the cost of two draft picks, at the expense of our run defense, and we're all hoping he plays more than one year.....that's not an upgrade....have you ever noticed that wr for every other team is an easy place to fill if the Oline is solid and gives the QB time. This is the NFL any qb given time will make any wideout look good, pure and simple we've been going about this backwards for years. McNabb other than the year with T.O. has never had a dominant wideout yet has put up huge numbers, Brady never had good wideouts before Moss and put up huge numbers, Hasselback same thing, Big Ben same thing, Brees same thing in SD, and so on, the key is to be strong at the core and at QB, and we think its to be strong on the outsides......and we showed it again with a stupid draft ignoring our lines once again. And no, you don't replace everybody in one fell swoop, but you built talented depth to eventually take over, not a bunch of guys of the street that you hope you can coach up.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 13, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Aren't you guys glad it's finally football season! I'm not saying college football is better, but if anyone caught the end of the Kansas v South Florida game you know you don't get moments like that in the pros.

Okay, since it's a slow weekend, I'll subject myself to ridicule. Next ten in ipod queue...

"Frontwards" Pavement
"Great Lake" Joe Henry
"Demon Speeding" Rob Zombie
"Perforation Problems" Iggy Pop
"Mononucleosis" Ween
"Predator" Meat Puppets
"The Infinite Pet" Spoon
"Half" Soundgarden
"Thumb" Dinosaur Jr.
"Gravity's Gone" Drive-By Truckers

***This annoying college football/ipod post guaranteed 100% soccer-free.

Posted by: SMACK | September 13, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

And Danny sits back and counts his money and smiles as his PR machine has tricked another person.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 13, 2008 10:52 AM

Meet the new Jack, same as the old Jack. Never learns anything because he already knows everything.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Meet the new Jack, same as the old Jack. Never learns anything because he already knows everything.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 11:26 AM

how many times you gonna say that? And how long does it take before you admit we got issues on this team? Another 15 years?

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 13, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Here's my rotation:

"Greatest Hits"- Al Green
"It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back"- Public Enemy
"LaDiDaDi"- Slick Rick
"Greatest Hits"- Sly and the Family Stone
"Midnight Marauders"- A Tribe Called Quest
"Low End Theory"- A Tribe Called Quest

Sly and the Family Stone is a band that was a bit before my time. I'm 38, but I swear they were ahead of their time. They were funky way before Parliament.

If you have time listen to:

"Thankyafaletmebyself" and
"Dance to the Music"

CLASSIC

Posted by: sicwidit | September 13, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Wow, c'mon Clinton tell us what you really think.

And I agree with others, enough with the political commentary here. You want to gossip about politics, there are other places for that. This is a Redskins bog (and for that same reason I oppose Jason talking about "his" Red Sox; who cares?).

Same rule at the stadium. I shut down anyone who tries to talk politics at FedEx Field. Sunday is for football.

I am hoping the offense gets rolling but more realistically the defense will have to carry us Sunday. Andre Carter looks good.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | September 13, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Of course good music trancends race. I am black and I LOVE Queen, Bob Dylan, Doobie Brothers, Average White Band, Duran Duran...

I also love Creedance Clearwater Revival (for some reason; Isn't Fogerty the lead singer???)...although LynardSkynard makes me feel like the Klan is coming through my front door any minute.

Posted by: sicwidit | September 13, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Sic, Sly is great. Unfortunately I have all his stuff on vinyl or crappy cassettes bought at (Nobody Beats) The Wiz. So it's not on ipod.

Love the album "There's a Riot Goin' On". Great stuff, especially...

Luv n Haight
Spaced Cowboy
Runnin' Away

Posted by: SMACK | September 13, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

sicwidit | September 13, 2008 11:38 AM

agreed, love old school Wu, tribe, outkast, and brand nubian....and I'm not of darker complexion.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 13, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Meet the new Jack, same as the old Jack. Never learns anything because he already knows everything.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 11:26 AM

how many times you gonna say that? And how long does it take before you admit we got issues on this team? Another 15 years?

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 13, 2008 11:32 AM

See what I mean? You never learn anything. You won't listen to anyone.

I told you I'd be willing to pass judgement on the draft class after two years. Why didn't you learn that when I wrote it? Because you don't listen. Your mind is already made up. You already know everything.

And I'll keep writing it til you prove me wrong.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Of course good music trancends race. I am black and I LOVE Queen, Bob Dylan, Doobie Brothers, Average White Band, Duran Duran...

I also love Creedance Clearwater Revival (for some reason; Isn't Fogerty the lead singer???)...although LynardSkynard makes me feel like the Klan is coming through my front door any minute.

Posted by: sicwidit | September 13, 2008 11:38 AM

Yep, Fogerty is the lead. Love CCR. LOL on the Skynard comment. Agree on the transcendence of race. Etta James is one of the best. BB King, Living Color, Hendrix, Cole Porter, the list continues.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 13, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I told you I'd be willing to pass judgement on the draft class after two years. Why didn't you learn that when I wrote it? Because you don't listen. Your mind is already made up. You already know everything.

And I'll keep writing it til you prove me wrong.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 11:47 AM

You're the idiot who refuses to get what I, and many others have said on here, if you wanna wait, that's fine that's your opinion but call me an idiot for saying they were wrong to pick 2 wideouts and a TE when we needed help other places. AGAIN, I don't care if Kelly and Thomas develop into good receivers, I hope they do, I still think it was dumb picks, and therefore, I don't need to wait and see, and I have every right to my opinion just like you. They're development won't prove that we should have shipped two draft picks for a 34 year old rental and that our best option to replace a old injury prone RT shouldn't be a second year undrafted FA and that all of our depth at safety shouldn't be young late round or undrafted FAs, or that behind our injury prone starters at corner we have nothing, or that other than Fletcher our LB core is suspect thanks to Marcus not being able to stay healthy. All of that isn't fixed by Kelly and Thomas becoming contributors in two years, and by Davis being a solid #2 TE.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 13, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

but keep repeating your moronic wait see lines and that I never learn, you and Danny and Cerrato never learn and deserve eachother, when you can't defend your position just resort to wait and see and name calling.

I'll give you one more chance, explain to me again how all of the problems with this team are fixed by Thomas and Kelly becoming good wideouts? Seems to me, if you can't block for the rb and can't protect the QB it doesn't matter how great your wideouts are, and if you can't stop the run in the NFC it doesn't matter how good your wideouts are, and if you can't stop the pass and you give a ton of big plays in the air (2006) it doesn't matter if your wideouts are good.....so again, what am I waiting for?

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 13, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Everything he said is true! However, he should not have opened his big mouth. What good will come out of him doing that? Just shut up and run the ball!!! By the way McBush cannot be president. This country cannot be that stupid!!! Please I beg you Virgina people. Go vote and vote against McBush!!!

Posted by: Obama is Da Man!!! | September 13, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

but keep repeating your moronic wait see lines and that I never learn, you and Danny and Cerrato never learn and deserve eachother, when you can't defend your position just resort to wait and see and name calling.

I'll give you one more chance, explain to me again how all of the problems with this team are fixed by Thomas and Kelly becoming good wideouts? Seems to me, if you can't block for the rb and can't protect the QB it doesn't matter how great your wideouts are, and if you can't stop the run in the NFC it doesn't matter how good your wideouts are, and if you can't stop the pass and you give a ton of big plays in the air (2006) it doesn't matter if your wideouts are good.....so again, what am I waiting for?

Posted by: zjfr2

zjfr2,

thnks for posting against this brave soul, anon. I tool my oldest son to Football practice this am and just got back. He/she, whatever is awfully naive and therefore probably doesn't deserve any response, but you've hit the nail on the head. NFL teams have always won with dominanat line play. DS and VC and anon can't figure out what everyone else has years ago.

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 13, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

dealer is one bizarre cat, but in a good way.....

Posted by: chrIS lArry | September 13, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

By the way McBush cannot be president. This country cannot be that stupid!!! Please I beg you Virgina people. Go vote and vote against McBush!!!

Posted by: Obama is Da Man!!!

da man fo what?
Hopefully he' be the man to force literacy!

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 13, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I tool my oldest son

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 13, 2008 12:20 PM

Be careful, dude. In most states the arrest guys who tool their sons. Then you'll learn what "suffering" means.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I tool my oldest son

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 13, 2008 12:20 PM

Be careful, dude. In most states the arrest guys who tool their sons. Then you'll learn what "suffering" means.

Posted by: Anonymous

"I tool my oldest saon" wtf is that?

speak english.

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 13, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

explain to me again how all of the problems with this team are fixed by Thomas and Kelly becoming good wideouts?

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 13, 2008 11:57 AM

Well, duh. I'm supposed to explain how "all of the problems" are fixed by drafting two guys? That's my "one more chance?" That's why you heap contempt on the front office: they didn't solve "all the problems" with two draft picks? Why don't you tell us what two guys the Skins could have drafted that would have fixed "all the problems."

You don't solve all of any team's problems with two second-round draft picks. Most second round draft picks don't even start for a few years, if ever. You need to get over your win-it-all-now view of building a team. That's not what it's about.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

With all this secong guessin' and FO bashing...

all the Skins need is a good opening drive for a score to get some confidence. Portis needs to shut the F**K up and Campbell needs to stop thinking and play...

Brand Nubian- "Slow Down"
Eazy-E "8Ball Remix"

Ultramagnetic MC's- "Ego Trippin" (doubt anyone on RI knows this. This is for hardcore ol' skool)

Posted by: sicwidit | September 13, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

oh, i see a typo "took" my son to football practice. I see, no substance to your postings, so look for typo's, are you the spellcheck nazi here?

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 13, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"I tool my oldest saon" wtf is that?

speak english.

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 13, 2008 12:27 PM

You posted it, not me. I don't understand why you would tool your oldest son, but then I realized you're from Virginia...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

oh, i see a typo "took" my son to football practice. I see, no substance to your postings, so look for typo's, are you the spellcheck nazi here?

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 13, 2008 12:32 PM

Oh, you're saying it's a typo? Sorry about that. Never mind. No, I'm not that nazi. I exceeded my authority.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

For those who may not remember or don't know, here's a little about Eazy-E:

Eazy-E was one of the most controversial figures in gangsta rap. While his technical skills as a rapper were never the greatest, his distinctive delivery (invariably described as a high-pitched whine), over-the-top lyrics, and undeniable charisma made him a star

guess I'l old school enough

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 13, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

i live in the carolina's, wrong again Anon.

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 13, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

i live in the carolina's, wrong again Anon.

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 13, 2008 12:38 PM

No way. If you lived in the Carolinas you would have written "I tooken my son to football practice."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

anon,

You know, i thought about writing this about you...

"I can't help but imagine you to be some morbidly obese, pathetic, single, middle aged man with nothing but the next bag of fritos to look forward to. Good luck finding your little tool in the bathroom."

....but I decided to take the high road instead.

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 13, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

zj, I see you're still going back and forth with that "c#@$$" Anonymous who still isn't creative enough to create his own name. LOL

Anyway, it will be interesting to see how the Redskins address the roster at the end of the season. Quite a few vets will certainly be out the door unless they agree to pay-cuts, which I doubt. This team needs depth at multiple positions and they won't be able to address many of them through the '09 draft since they gave up 3 picks already. Here's hoping they do their research in the offseason with all of the undrafted FAs there will be.

Posted by: JinxMan | September 13, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 12:31 PM

They can't fix all the problems with THREE picks (Kelly, Thomas, Davis) but they could have gone a long way towards fixing the problems with 5 picks in the middle rounds. Instead, they only used one that begins to fix the problems, I never said fix everything, but don't ignore them either, we're obviously on totally different pages here, but for years this team has ignored its lines and gone with the glamour picks to take our attention away from the fact that this team has been eroding at its core for years, now its reached critical levels and what do they do, pick two more wideouts and a freaking TE. You just don't get it and apparently I can't convince you so I'll stop trying, but they were dumb picks regardless of whether they become good or not. Because now, with the hole plugging moves of trading for an old kendal, an old taylor, and an injured james we have 4 picks total in the coming draft while we are guaranteed to have some major shuffling this offseason no matter what our record is. So once again the Skins will have to fill holes at the core of the team with FA's instead of have good young talent at lower costs because of wise drafting. But hey, we might have some good receivers so what does it matter right?

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 13, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

suffering--

You are a man of unique style and grace. Are you sure you're from the Carolinas? I'd say a classy guy like you has to be from New Jersey.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

hmm seems I struck a nerve with spooky anon.

back to skins football stuff.

anyone else had it with the hoggettes? i mean it was fun for awhile. Now? they look like old guys that enjoy dressing like women a bit too much IMO. Memo to hogettes! They aren't the hogs anymore.

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 13, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I'll give you one more chance, explain to me again how all of the problems with this team are fixed by Thomas and Kelly becoming good wideouts?

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 13, 2008 11:57 AM

They can't fix all the problems with THREE picks (Kelly, Thomas, Davis) but they could have gone a long way towards fixing the problems with 5 picks in the middle rounds. Instead, they only used one that begins to fix the problems, I never said fix everything,

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 13, 2008 1:11 PM

You know, Jack, you either don't remember at 1:11 what you wrote at 11:57, or you're just blowing wind. You did say you want me to explain to you how they fixed all the problems by drafting Kelly and Thomas. Now it's something new.

And you completely ignored my challenge to you: explain what two players the Redskins could have drafted that would have "solved all the problems."

Jack, when you're in a hole, stop digging.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Are you sure you're from the Carolinas? I'd say a classy guy like you has to be from New Jersey.

Posted by: Anonymous

I am from alexandria, but have lived here for 20 years now. i don't miss nova at all.

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 13, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

no I know who Anon is. It has to be V. Cerrato defending that abortion of a draft they had.

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 13, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

zj, I see you're still going back and forth with that "c#@$$" Anonymous who still isn't creative enough to create his own name. LOL

Posted by: JinxMan | September 13, 2008 1:04 PM

You got me. I was trying to get a really creative name like JinxMan or zjfr2, but just my luck they were already taken by the really creative types up here. So, I'm stuck with this one. Maybe you can suggest something equally creative as your own handles for me to swing with, okay?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

You know, Jack, you either don't remember at 1:11 what you wrote at 11:57, or you're just blowing wind. You did say you want me to explain to you how they fixed all the problems by drafting Kelly and Thomas. Now it's something new.

And you completely ignored my challenge to you: explain what two players the Redskins could have drafted that would have "solved all the problems."

Jack, when you're in a hole, stop digging.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 1:19 PM

This team can't be fixed by the drafting of two players, that's not what I ever said, you're the one that keeps saying wait and see that this draft could be good for this team and I asked you how this draft could fix the teams problems. Your the one who keeps defending the draft and I keep saying they should have used those picks elsewhere, now your just getting into semantics cause you've figured out you're an idiot and that you have no defense for why this team drafted two more wideouts and a backup TE when it had the opportunity to infuse both sides of the lines with 5 players that have good talent and could provide needed depth/starter potential instead of taking a gamble on 3 players that you're hoping maybe one turns into a productive starter on this team at some point cause Cooley and Moss aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Let it go man, you've been beating on logic, stick to you're wait and see policy and shut up and wait and see. The rest of us will continue to talk about the facts of the team instead of just blindly hoping that Kelly or Thomas can develop into superstars on a team that can't stop anybody or open holes for its rb, or protect its qb because we now have more picks and resources invested in our wideouts and te's over the last 4 or five years than any team in the league.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 13, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I've never watched one of the Unrestricted videos. It's nothing personal against Mr. Reid, whom I like. I just have an aversion to video on the Internet, unless I already know that it's something I want to watch.

I read a lot of things on the Web every day, and I like being able to quickly skim through articles, looking for the meat. Some sites want to give me news in video form; no thanks, I'd rather read it myself.

If I spend three minutes watching a news story on video, and I get to the end of the three minutes and conclude that I don't care about what I just saw, then I just wasted three minutes. To the contrary, it might only take me 20-30 seconds to skim through the article and reach the same conclusion.

If the video in question is of something that needs to be seen to be appreciated, that's one thing. But if it's just talking heads, I'd rather just read what they had to say.

Posted by: freakzilla | September 13, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Maybe you can suggest something equally creative as your own handles for me to swing with, okay?

Posted by: Anonymous

here's a couple:

I'mfootballchallenged, or whatIwritemakesnosense

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 13, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Its been a while since the thread, but there is one bit Portis said that is complete money to me ... the bit about any particular games 80 yards being some of the toughest 80 yards in a season. This thought process reminds me of Betts' fumbles. Its not that Betts fumbles THAT much more than other backs; all backs fumble. Betts' fumbles just happen to occur at the very worst part of the game. OK, no particular reason for me to pick on Betts, but that was an example ... and Portis' line about last week's 80 yards being a tough 80 yards made sense to me.

"Jerusalem" - Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
"Run-Around" - Blues Traveler
"Firth of Fifth [Live]" - Genesis
"Valentine [Live]" - Old 97's
"Soul Rebel" - Marley & the Wailers

Posted by: dcsween | September 13, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I said it before and I'll say it again, the Skins only need ONE of the three second round pass catchers to be a star. [Also, one in three is about the odds of an early round receiver hitting the jackpot.]

"Fireworks" - The Tragically Hip

Posted by: dcsween | September 13, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I said it before and I'll say it again, the Skins only need ONE of the three second round pass catchers to be a star. [Also, one in three is about the odds of an early round receiver hitting the jackpot.]

"Fireworks" - The Tragically Hip

Posted by: dcsween | September 13, 2008 1:31 PM

Your right, but what do we need everywhere else? was it worth spending three picks hoping one pans out in order to ship out three more picks for old veterans to plug holes you refused to fix leaving us now with 4 picks coming this year and still need to find long term fixes for those same holes. Essentially we spent 5 picks on Kelly, Thomas, and Davis because we had to trade our other ones for James and Taylor and this coming year guess what, we're still gonna need to find a long term solution at that spot, and at DT, and LB, and Corner, and Safety, and Oline but hey we got three guys that might fill one spot if they develop.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 13, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"Next Universe" ~ Mos Def

I'm not sure why folks are so upset with the draft. Seriously, Cerrato made the choices he made and now the the coaching staff, team and fans have to deal with it. It's obvious that the team needs weren't sufficiently addressed with the most recent draft.

Let's see how the season plays out and hopefully the careers of our draft picks and undrafted free agents pan out. I think a good draft pick for next year would be "Hawk's" son from OSU.

"Hiding Place" ~ Little Brother

Posted by: JinxMan | September 13, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

actually two because davis will never be a starter on this team unless Cooley gets hurt.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 13, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

let's suppose for a second that the Skins have TO, and Randy Moss as wr's with Santana Moss as the #3.
RB's are LT, and CP. TE's are Cooley and Shockey. The O-line is the same as is the QB, JC. What do you think happens? Nothing better, since the line is so very average. That's why football analysts, and GM's from around the league when asked about the skins, point to their lines as being weak. Everybody got it?
BTW, plug in your favorite best players at WR and TE and RB. same results.

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 13, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

During the Gibbs 2 era, this team was able to keep a lid on the outside sniping at each other. Now, Zorn is publicly knocking people. This whole thing is going to blow up as the season progresses. People are going to be at each other's throats and they are going to do it in public. It's going to be fun to watch!

Posted by: JW | September 13, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

"Approaching Pavonis Mons By Balloon (Utopia Planitia)" The Flaming Lips

Catchy title

Posted by: SMACK | September 13, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

let's suppose for a second that the Skins have TO, and Randy Moss as wr's with Santana Moss as the #3.
RB's are LT, and CP. TE's are Cooley and Shockey. The O-line is the same as is the QB, JC. What do you think happens? Nothing better, since the line is so very average. That's why football analysts, and GM's from around the league when asked about the skins, point to their lines as being weak. Everybody got it?
BTW, plug in your favorite best players at WR and TE and RB. same results.

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 13, 2008 1:40 PM

I don't think it would be exactly the same if you had the absolute premier talents there you would still see some improvement, but certainly you wouldn't see us dominate the league or anything, even with that talent on the outside and at running back we'd just be a good team, we still wouldn't be the favorite in the division, cause let's face, Dallas and the Giants are loaded at both lines, which is why the Giants can win a super bowl with Eli, Jacobs, Tyree, Toomer, and even Plax not being premier players....its cause they can block, and they can stop the run, and they can rush the passer, you know the basics of football. but excellent post!

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 13, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2,

Thanks, but I thought it would be labeled as a "Capt. Obvious" post. I hate that the Skins are where they are, hence the longsuffering, but until they upgrade the lines, this is what we'll have to deal with.

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 13, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

see anonymous hater, I am perfectly capable of listening and agreeing and learning, just cause you're a moron and I don't agree with you doesn't mean I can't.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 13, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

"The Game" ~ Common
"Stakes is High" ~ De La Soul

I think the Skins probably put themselves in a poor position when Gibbs 2.0 came on and they signed all of the free agents they did. Not saying that they weren't good pickups, but I think the FO lost sight of the purpose of free agency over the course of Snyder's ownership of the team. Free agent signings are solely made to compliment your team building through the draft. Imagine how this team would look had they not spent money freely on guys such as Archuleta & Lloyd and invested in the draft.

Again, hindsight is 20/20 and the FO is responsible for righting the ship. Do I think Cerrato is the one to do it? Hmm... we'll have to see how this season, next year's draft and free agent signing period pan out. As a Skins fan, I'll continue to hold out hope for our squad.

Posted by: JinxMan | September 13, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

You're right, but what do we need everywhere else? was it worth spending three picks hoping one pans out in order to ship out three more picks for old veterans ...

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 13, 2008 1:36 PM

I'm not denying that the Skins have needs elsewhere, but if the decision is to get a top receiver, then the cost of covering your bases against the odds is to spend three picks to make sure you get the one guy you need.

Also, I don't see why Fred Davis couldn't grow into a starter with a healthy Cooley on the roster. Its clear that blocking isn't the strong suit of either. And Cooley (like Witten) can (and does) line up all over the place. Having two Cooleys (or a Cooley and a Witten ... or two Wittens) creates all sorts of possibilities in an offense that supposedly relies on short/intermediate passes.

Posted by: dcsween | September 13, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

sween, I stand corrected, if Davis develops that much, and the potential is there, you're right he could be a starter and I agree and actually out of the three I hope he develops the most, I think an offense with Moss and and ham sandwich on the outside, a productive running game, and two deadly tight ends would be unstoppable, if we can figure out a way to block. I still think it was overkill though and that we had too many glaring needs elsewhere to spend all three picks there. One, ok, two was a stretch, three was ridiculous.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 13, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Also, I don't see why Fred Davis couldn't grow into a starter with a healthy Cooley on the roster. Its clear that blocking isn't the strong suit of either. And Cooley (like Witten) can (and does) line up all over the place. Having two Cooleys (or a Cooley and a Witten ... or two Wittens) creates all sorts of possibilities in an offense that supposedly relies on short/intermediate passes.

Posted by: dcsween | September 13, 2008 2:02 PM

"Definition" ~ BlackStar

It would be in Zorn & Sherman's best interest to implement this into their gameplan ASAP. However, I doubt anything like this will roll out until mid-season when the season for the Skins will already have been decided.

Posted by: JinxMan | September 13, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I still think it was overkill though and that we had too many glaring needs elsewhere to spend all three picks there. One, ok, two was a stretch, three was ridiculous.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 13, 2008 2:11 PM

Don't you ever get tired of writing the same crap over and over and over and over and over and over and over? How many times have you posted this in the last week? I just counted 97 posts that said exactly the same thing. But maybe I missed a few of them.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Chia Pet is the biggest moron on the blog. Looks like we finally scared him off for good?

Good riddance!

Redskins' are gonna rock for the rest of the season, and butt heads like Chia Pet and some of the other haters, Raven's fans will hate it.

F that guy!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"RE: DEFinition" ~ Black Star
"Rock Kane Co. Flow" ~ De La Soul Feat. MF Doom
"Simon Says" ~ Pharoahe Monch
"Ghetto Rock" ~ Mos Def

I believe that in order for JC to be successful with the Skins and the Zorn/Cerrato regime, Zorn will need to implement the vertical game concepts of Air Coryell into his WCO. Otherwise, I can only envision JC playing the rest of his contract out with the Skins and be playing with a new team the following season. JC really doesn't fit the WCO, although he was successful playing in another version of it his senior year at Auburn, he is more of a vertical-throwing QB that fits Gibbs 1.0 system better.

As I said last night, this is something that Zorn & Sherman should've figured out before they decided to implement the WCO. They should've created their scheme around the talent that was on the roster instead of forcing square pegs into round holes. Maybe they'll be able to shave the edges down on the pegs, but that remains to be seen.

Posted by: JinxMan | September 13, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

+++I'm not denying that the Skins have needs elsewhere, but if the decision is to get a top receiver, then the cost of covering your bases against the odds is to spend three picks to make sure you get the one guy you need.


Posted by: dcsween | September 13, 2008 2:02 PM+++

Three may not be enough, Sween. Remember, the Redskins are the team whose high WR picks after Art Monk have been Desmond Howard, Rod Gardner, Taylor jacobs, Michael Westbrook and the pick they traded for Brandon Lloyd. That's five, and not a keeper in the bunch. How many do they have to draft to get a good one?

THAT is the biggest argument against the folly of drafting three receivers with their top picks.

We already know two second round rookie WRs have demonstrated signs of greatness on the field Unfortunately, neither of them belong to the Redskins.

I hope THREE's the charm. But based on initial impressions, Devin Thomas doesn't care enough tio show up in shape or learnt he playbook, Malcolm Kelly is injury prone, and Fred davis is redundent.

But it still doesnt' change the fact that great lines produce good teams, great lines with good or great QBs produce great teams.

And the 'skins are no closer to either than they were before the draft.

Posted by: Corkczar, Crotchety Blog Peep | September 13, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Portis is only saying what every other Redskins fan know. The O-Line is horrible. Hopefully, this week will be better. Campbell and the receivers have to make plays to open up the run game for Portis.

Posted by: WoodyFL | September 13, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Corkie....

Stop! Your story has become tiresome.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Watching the UGA v Gamecocks.....Spurrier gives me bad, viloent, painful flashbacks....

Posted by: chrIS lArry | September 13, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I think everyone will concede that we need help on the line (O and D).

People might argue we need help at LB and CB too.

The picks from 2007 are history. There's no changing them. We can't go back and change what happened on 27 November 2007 either.

Time to move on.

Posted by: stumped | September 13, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Readers, how are your fat wives and internet porn doing?

Posted by: Reality of the Situation | September 13, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

For all you Terps fans or fans of vomit inducing football hits... Wait til the one minute mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GIP5TpN858

Posted by: "Sick" Hit | September 13, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Maryland was lucky to escape with a win there.

Posted by: Terp Alum | September 13, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Maybe you can suggest something equally creative as your own handles for me to swing with, okay?

Posted by: Anonymous

================

How bout:

Mommy_Should've_Aborted_Me

My-Wife-Cheats-On-Me-Because-All-I-Do-Is-Post-Online-At-An-Internet-Message-Board

I'm-A-Feminine-Hygiene-Product

or my personal fav

Daddy_Should've_Pulled_Out

Posted by: Handle-maker | September 13, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

For all you Terps fans or fans of vomit inducing football hits... Wait til the one minute mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GIP5TpN858

Posted by: "Sick" Hit | September 13, 2008 4:15 PM

That's one hit. Sean Taylor has an entire library of them. RIP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRdlcaqJQ6M

Posted by: JinxMan | September 13, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Maybe you can suggest something equally creative as your own handles for me to swing with, okay?

Posted by: Anonymous

================

How bout:

Mommy_Should've_Aborted_Me

My-Wife-Cheats-On-Me-Because-All-I-Do-Is-Post-Online-At-An-Internet-Message-Board

I'm-A-Feminine-Hygiene-Product

or my personal fav

Daddy_Should've_Pulled_Out

Posted by: Handle-maker | September 13, 2008 4:20 PM

LOL... too funny Handle.

Posted by: JinxMan | September 13, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I like personal favorite was the best one, the anonymous guy has been really annoying for the last three days, just personally critical while adding nothing too the discussion but venom and bile.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 13, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

"C#@$$" is a good one for Anonymous too. Put a lil' "bit" in front of it cause that's what he acts like.

Posted by: JinxMan | September 13, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Ignore the moron; you gain nothing by calling him names and going down to his level. The Pro-Christ has spoken. lol.

Posted by: Karen | September 13, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I like personal favorite was the best one, the anonymous guy has been really annoying for the last three days, just personally critical while adding nothing too the discussion but venom and bile.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 13, 2008 4:28 PM

Jack,

Remind us what you've added to the discussion? Oh, yeah, you've come up here and repeated yourself 97 times "The draft was a bust. We haven't seen 'em play yet, but they're all losers because they're themselves and not someone else." Over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Now that's a contribution.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Ignore the moron; you gain nothing by calling him names and going down to his level. The Pro-Christ has spoken. lol.

Posted by: Karen | September 13, 2008 4:40 PM

Karen,

For you, yes it might be going down a level. But for Jack and Jinxman, it's a few steps up. They feel proud that anyone is willing to engage with them.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Nice barfing clip. This one is pretty good too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8WxtCl9Jw4

UGA doesn't look too number one-y at the moment. Amid the cheers in South Carolina, a Lonely Sob was heard.

"Nantucket Sleighride" - Mountain

Posted by: SMACK | September 13, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

we've talked about all sorts of things, JC's future, Vinny's, the fact that the saints D gives us a chance to get our offense going this week, that if we don't win this week and next the playoffs are a long shot already, zorn's system, lots of things. You've chosen to continually try and get me to agree that last years draft was or could ever be good decisions, sorry, I disagree and you're not gonna get me to change on that, you just continue to say wait and see wait see and then call people names......

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 13, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2......

Stop! Your story has become tiresome.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

You've chosen to continually try and get me to agree that last years draft was or could ever be good decisions,

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 13, 2008 4:50 PM

Jack,

Meet the new Jack, same as the old Jack. I've never tried to get you to "agree" to anything. You've never learned anything because you already know everything. You continue to prove it, over and over. Stay just the way you are -- we all love you for it.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Hey, my wife's not fat.

Posted by: stumped | September 13, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Hey, my wife's not fat.

Posted by: stumped | September 13, 2008 4:57 PM

Well that's too bad. I'll ask my wife to send your wife some fat. She's got enough for two or three.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Ignore the moron; you gain nothing by calling him names and going down to his level. The Pro-Christ has spoken. lol.

Posted by: Karen | September 13, 2008 4:40 PM

Karen,

For you, yes it might be going down a level. But for Jack and Jinxman, it's a few steps up. They feel proud that anyone is willing to engage with them.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 4:47 PM

Nah, I'm actually having fun at Anonymous' expense, not stooping down or gaining any levels by poking some fun at a coward who posts anonymously. Everyone else seems to have come up with a handle/name of some sort so other posters can get a gauge others sentiments on the Skins organization. Next time, don't go crying to Karen cause you're getting "joaned" on by me, zj & others. Man up & do work son! LOL :)

Posted by: JinxMan | September 13, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Can we all agree on one thing: Good to see Coach Spurrier spanking the Georgia Dawgs? I thought so.

Oh, and a second thing: Jack is a repetitive bore.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it painfully obvious? Vinny had no confidence in his ability to have a good draft by himself. So his solution was to pick 3 of virtually the same thing. The odds of at least 1 of them panning out to be a good player had to be pretty high. That remains to be seen. I don't usually wish harm on people but I would not have been upset at all if he would have flung himself out of that box he was looking so miserable in at Giants stadium. If Dan Snyder loved and cared about the Redskins as much as he says he does, he would have gotten someone who knows what the hell they are doing.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

If Dan Snyder loved and cared about the Redskins as much as he says he does, he would have gotten someone who knows what the hell they are doing.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 5:25 PM

Hey, if you're gonna post this negative stuff, get a handle like Jinxman or longsufferingfan or zpfr2. Anon is reserved for us thinking people. Man, you're breaking the juju.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

HAHA Charlie Weis all banged up from a sideline shabingus. ACL and MCL. Man, Weis and Brady at the same time. That's rich!

Posted by: SMACK | September 13, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

HAHA Charlie Weis all banged up from a sideline shabingus. ACL and MCL. Man, Weis and Brady at the same time. That's rich!

Posted by: SMACK | September 13, 2008 5:36 PM

SMACK, that is just so wrong. We're PC up here on RI. You have to say "Not that it's a good thing when anyone gets hurt, but Charlie Weis just got wiped out. What a bad week this has been -- first Brady, now Weis. Too bad."

Please keep this in mind for next time.

Posted by: The right way to say it | September 13, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

(why do I feel the need to comment on this? Better than working on a Saturday.)

If Danny and Vinny picked Zorn with the idea of installing a west coast offense, the team did need pass catchers. Moss would run the post and open it up for Cooley, and a possession slot guy and another top rated WR. ARE is a play-maker, but not the kind of guy who will cause defenses fits. I seem to recall that Fred Davis was kind of an impulse, take the best player on the board decision cause who you thought was going to be there was gone.

So, they did draft according to need. But the whole thing is based on a "blowing up the offense" assumption.

So, if you're a person who would have liked continuity and a smooth transition or slow evolution, well, it's too late, that horse has left the barn.

Posted by: stumped | September 13, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 5:32 PM

My bad thinking anon. Now continue to massage Dan Snyders balls while Vinny watches. Toolbox.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

As for me, they aren't the Redskins without a power running game. Do I wish they had gone jumbo in 2007?

yep.

Posted by: stumped | September 13, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, that is just so wrong. We're PC up here on RI. You have to say "Not that it's a good thing when anyone gets hurt, but Charlie Weis just got wiped out. What a bad week this has been -- first Brady, now Weis. Too bad."

Please keep this in mind for next time.

Posted by: The right way to say it | September 13, 2008 5:44 PM

You're right. I was just, ummm, doing my impression of an Eagles fan.

Posted by: SMACK | September 13, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

My bad thinking anon. Now continue to massage Dan Snyders balls while Vinny watches. Toolbox.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 5:50 PM

And you continue to massage your own while your blow up doll watches. Dipstick.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Awe man I'm so excited about the Redskins Game tomorrow, if the Skins win, somebody on here is gonna catch good old fashion beatdown !

Posted by: Johnny Bigballs | September 13, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Awe man I'm so excited about the Redskins Game tomorrow, if the Skins win, somebody on here is gonna catch good old fashion beatdown !

Posted by: Johnny Bigballs | September 13, 2008 6:32 PM

And if they lose? You'll give everyone the beatdown?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

ya'll might be mad, but anonymous is funny

Posted by: sickcuz | September 13, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

agreed.
spineless, but funny.

Posted by: stumped | September 13, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

if Dan Snyder loved the team, he would sell it to a competent owner

Posted by: sickcuz | September 13, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

And if they lose? You'll give everyone the beatdown?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 6:57 PM

I say let's beatdown this punk !!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Skins 31, Saints 20

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 13, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Check this out... the Madden NFL '09 simulation has the Skins winning big... Skins 44, Saints 27

http://sports.espn.go.com/videogames/simulation/nfl?id=3583807

Posted by: JinxMan | September 13, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

So how good a simulation is Madden?

Posted by: stumped | September 13, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

guys, i know who bob dylan...but i didn't know nate meant bobby d.

sorry i can't do metallica. i love them. as people. they were so refreshing from the likes of judas priest and poison. but i can't do it for more than 30 seconds.
i think i can do ozzie more than i can do metallica.

cl, you know you made that spurrier comment to get me started. i still love him. honestly i hated with passion norv the most but you know what now that i look back no one else makes me more mad than danny and vinny. those two are it. the constant through all of this.

you guys can say whatever about how important brady is to the patsies but they wouldn't be that good if they didn't have a good FO. exhibit A is elway. exhibit b is dan marino. exhibit c is joe gibbs 1.0. exhibit d is joe gibbs 2.0. to show how important the FO is to an organization.

and yes, i think the skins will win tomorrow because drew breese will have a bad day and CP will have a good day.

Posted by: dealer | September 13, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

wathing the usc game...wow! that running back is good and their safety/lb...he looks like he could start for the skins right now...actually i wouldn't mind have switching the roster with 'em...in a couple of years you'll have a superbowl team...

Posted by: dealer | September 13, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

dealer, I should have been more clear when I posted that, it's the version of "Boots of Spanish Leather" where Joan Baez is covering Bob Dylan. She had a whole album of his stuff.

Not the best song ever involving boots, which of course would be the still-fantastic-after-all-these-years "These Boots Were Made For Walkin'," and perhaps lesser than some of Bootsy Collins' oeuvre, but pretty doggone good nonetheless...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 13, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

stumped (did you drop the capital 'S' at some point?), I remember hearing a few people say up here that they played the Skins-Giants opener on Madden and ALL of them had the Skins winning. So after those didn't prove prophetic (past video game performance should not be used as a predictor of future real-life events) I decided to ignore any Maddenic prognostications going forward.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 13, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I still have the Skins winning this one by 9 or more points... I think this will be a yo-yo season, ultimately heartbreaking but exciting like rollercoaster ride.

I have us winning the next two at home and setting the DC area aflame with Super Bowl fever... before going on the road and losing two to the other fellows in the division to fall to 2-3 and cue the doom and gloomers. But I also don't know a damned thing about any of this...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 13, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

It's all gloom...Everybody we're all doomed

Posted by: sickcuz | September 13, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse


Saints 28
Redskins 7

Oh the humanity!!! The humanity!!

Posted by: 4th in the East | September 13, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Stop! The RI story has become tiresome.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Nate,
Always the voice of reason. Of course the Skins can win this game, the question is will they?

Zorn has a lot to learn. I think he has what it takes and is a quick study. My only criticism is his clock management. He shouldn't be wasting precious times riding bikes with Bozo. There are a lot more important things he could be doing, like playing harmonica.

You're right, this season will be a roller coaster, they'll win some and lose some. As long as they continue to improve, I'll enjoy it. If that doesn't happen, I'll gnash my teeth with everyone else.

(Got the lower case handle stuck in the auto fill cache it seems, no matter.)

Posted by: stumped | September 13, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

RIP David Foster Wallace...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 14, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

instead of RIP, I have to say "hope you find what you're looking for"...

The dude does not abide.

Posted by: cload & daggar | September 14, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Nate,
It's officially a bye week for Baltimore and Houston. If you have any Fantasy Players starting on these teams, better make a change.

Posted by: stumped | September 14, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Just saw that, Nate. I guess thinking that much has its perils. Shame.

Posted by: SMACK | September 14, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

If you have any Fantasy Players starting on these teams, better make a change.

Posted by: stumped | September 14, 2008 12:46 AM

This is pretty good advice for all 16 weeks.

Posted by: SMACK | September 14, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

Bottom feeder that I am I had to make one.

Posted by: stumped | September 14, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

If you have any Fantasy Players starting on these teams....

is it really Fantasy Football?

Posted by: stumped | September 14, 2008 1:37 AM | Report abuse

I have Heap in another league. Last week he caught one ball and lost a fumble while falling down and hurting himself.

This week in that league, I face the Campbell-to-Moss combination. So you can expect something legendary to happen

Posted by: SMACK | September 14, 2008 1:37 AM | Report abuse

This is John's son, Dad made it through the ravages of Ike. The winds in the area were around 100 mph and Ike pumped about 7 inches in NW Houston. He currently is without power or water at his house but at least his house was harmed. He is on his way to my apartment in Austin because the power will be out for at least 2 more days. He greatly appreciates your kinds words, thank you so much.

Posted by: John D's Son | September 14, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

Houston! Glad to hear the ol'man made it through.

Tell him we said get his cantankerous behind back up here ASAP.

Posted by: stumped | September 14, 2008 1:52 AM | Report abuse

Smack,
YOu know negative points are possible in FF.

And up here, there are TCCLs, and then there are GKKCs

Gillooly-Kerrigan Knee Caps.
And we all know that's a world of hurt.

Posted by: stumped | September 14, 2008 1:54 AM | Report abuse

Stumped, thanks for the heads up. I sent an email out to everyone in the second (and in no way inferior) RI fantasy F-ball league with that news.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 14, 2008 2:31 AM | Report abuse

John D's Son, thanks so much for the update.

(This is of such little importance, but in case he's wondering, I checked your dad's fantasy roster, and he doesn't appear to have any Texans or Ravens starting tomorrow who would need to be benched due to their bye.)

I hope we get similar positive reports from CLEGG, Suzanne, anybody else we have down there in Houston...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 14, 2008 2:40 AM | Report abuse

+++If you have time listen to:

"Thankyafaletmebyself" and
"Dance to the Music"

CLASSIC

Posted by: sicwidit | September 13, 2008 11:34 AM+++

Sly's had a problem with the nose candy, which ruined his group in its prime.

Ironically the best tune they ever did was "(I want to take you) Higher" which was fantastic. Make sure you got some serious bottom on your system and Crank It up to Eleven for the full effect..

On an utterly unrelated note The Village People just got a star on Hollywood Blvd.

Posted by: Corkczar, Crotchety Blog Peep | September 14, 2008 3:19 AM | Report abuse

Amen. Re Houston.

Son of John in Houston. Don't be a stranger.


And kudos to you Nate for your sense of fair play.

(I did look at the roster of my opponent, I didn't want to know.)

Got quite a drubbing in week 1 without a starting QB on the roster. (&)()(&#$@# Autodraft!

Stumped out.

Posted by: stumped | September 14, 2008 3:21 AM | Report abuse

Good to hear about John.

Oh man, am I the first one up on this fine redskins Home Opener day? Of course it's going to be 96 degrees today so I guess some water will have to weigh down the cooler.

HTTR!

Posted by: Skinz | September 14, 2008 6:04 AM | Report abuse

Oh man, am I the first one up on this fine redskins Home Opener day? Of course it's going to be 96 degrees today so I guess some water will have to weigh down the cooler.

Posted by: Skinz | September 14, 2008 6:04 AM

Where you at Skinz? All the rest of us are out here at FedEx waiting for you, tailgaiting eggs benedict and bloody marys. Don't bother with the water. You can get it for free out of the faucets on the sinks.

Posted by: Long time poster, first time lurker | September 14, 2008 6:18 AM | Report abuse

Saints injury report from Rich Tandler:
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The New Orleans Saints' #1 receiver Marques Coltson isn't the only starter who won't see action on Sunday when they travel to FedEx Field to play the Washington Redskins.

Three defensive players who started the Saints' 24-20 win over the Bucs will sit out the Redskins game with injuries.

Linebacker Scott Fujita, who had a game-clinching interception in the fourth quarter, will sit out with a bruised knee. Cornerback Randall Gay and safety Roman Harper have pulled hamstrings and will be held out as well.

The defensive back seven is not considered to be one of the Saints' strengths, and that is with the entire depth chart healthy. If the Saints go by their depth chart, Chris Reis will start at safety, Aaron Glenn will start at corner. The linebacker listed as Fujita's backup, Mark Simoneau, also is listed as out with a back injury, so the Saints will be scrambling to fill that spot.

The Saints' strength on defense is their pass-rushing ends, Charles Grand and Will Smith. If Campbell can is able to get rid of the ball more quickly than he did against the Giants, there could be even more opportunity for the Redskins to move the ball and exploit the Saints' injuries.

While I'm not inclined to change my prediction of a Redskins loss, it seems that these developments give them a better shot at righting the ship and pulling out a win.

Posted by: Rich Tandler to the Post | September 14, 2008 6:43 AM | Report abuse

Good to hear John D is safe and headed for power. Hope Clegg, Suzanne and others are okay, too. Oh, and beep beep.

Posted by: Cindy | September 14, 2008 6:52 AM | Report abuse

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