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Step 1 Is the Run for Skins

The Redskins have to run the ball early, often and successfully Sunday. I know this isn't rocket science, but it's worth stating. We all know where the offense is in its development right now (and how far it has to go) and we all know how long these adjustments can take, and we all know that the running attack uses essentially the same blocking and terminology as it did under Joe Gibbs.

The Redskins are going to have to be able to run the rock with some authority to keep teams honest. Period. Otherwise it'll be eight and nine players in the box all the time, and given how the offensive line has looked the past 3-4 weeks, I don't see them being able to thrive in any sort of outnumbered situation.

I also don't see the Redskins being able to get it going in the passing game without being able to have the threat of play action and without using the run to open things up for Jason Campbell, buying him some time, keeping defenses from being able to tee off on passing downs, giving the offensive the luxury of maybe playing with a lead, etc.

"The other night they caught on quick that our passing was a little off-timing and they started dropped eight and nine men into the box to fill those [running] lanes," Clinton Portis said.

Portis has to have a big game; 3.7 yards per carry isn't going to get it done. The issues in the run game go beyond the back, though. Far too often Thursday night Portis was being grabbed, bounced or flung behind the line of scrimmage. He often had to move laterally, avoid a Giants defender or duck before he could even begin to pick out a hole. A lot of those plays simply never had a chance to work because the Giants were blowing them up before they really began (I guess we have to continue to laud Antonio Pierce for some of this).

"Any time the defense gets penetration like that and makes Clinton make moves before he gets to the line of scrimmage, that's good defense," center Casey Rabach said. "And as an offensive line that's something we need to help out with. ... Any time the defense is making plays behind the line the first place you look is the offensive line."

The Saints' defensive Line can get it done (issues with their secondary will linger for a while, I suspect, but they can make things happen at the line of scrimmage). Portis knows a lot of those guys personally and was dropping kudos on them this afternoon at his media session. "It looks good," he said of the Saints' run front. "As a defense they look good."

Portis said the Redskins must eliminate the penalties and the second- and third-and-long situations they faced against the Giants. He attributed many of the problems in the run game to "mental" mistakes, like missed blocking assignments and "not going to the right man."

Eventually, Portis hopes there is some downfield component to this aerial offense, though he knows patience will be required as this thing comes together. The Redskins did not complete a true deep route in the preseason with the starters that I can recall, and a checkdown to Antwaan Randle El for 26 yards was the long play in the opener. Jim Zorn's West Coast offense is more of a short-and-medium game, but he does want to take and complete some deep shots.

Campbell has the arm and Santana Moss has the speed and loves those go routes, but that's not what this attack is based on. Seeing a bit more of a commitment to throwing long balls can get some of the safeties to drop back in coverage, though, and give Portis and Co. more space to find yards on the ground. To the tailback, "Campbell to Moss for 55 yards," may sound even better than "Portis breaks three tackles for a 15-yard gain," right about now.

It all goes hand in hand, and the Redskins are going to have to force teams to fully respect one aspect of their offense sometime soon. Seems to be the most likely chance for success might come from getting the guys upfront in the offensive line to rediscover a street-fighting mentality and try to beat some people up at the line.

By Jason La Canfora  |  September 10, 2008; 5:30 PM ET
 
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bring those blitzers to the line. we can dink and dunk too, or so I've heard...

Posted by: wellsee | September 10, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Who is this "Chris Cooley" person you all keep referring to?

Posted by: Jason Campbell | September 10, 2008 3:46 PM

Posted by: Hillarious | September 10, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Pete Nice the prime minister

Posted by: 3rd Bass | September 10, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Al, Zeke, or whatever your name is, send me a trade proposal that dosen't include Gates nor Turner and we maybe can talk......

Posted by: 4th | September 10, 2008 4:28 PM

Ummmm .... 4th, Jackson for Johnson doesn't include Turner or Gates

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 10, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Cork, you keep saying the glass is 9/10 full or 3/4 full. I'm thinking that its a really really really large glass and the portion that you drank was really really really strong stuff ...

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 10, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

'9/10 full or 3/4 full'

The remaining 4/7 is 3/5 empty.

Posted by: Yogi Berra | September 10, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

"Seems to be the most likely chance for success might come from getting the guys upfront in the offensive line to rediscover a street-fighting mentality and try to beat some people up at the line."

By Jason La Canfora | September 10, 2008; 5:30 PM ET


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Can I get an Amen? To that, I say Halleluja. Also, Praise the Lord.

Best moment of the defeat at the hands of the Gints was seeing Kendell Pet rip Antonio Pierce's helmet off.

More, more, more!

Posted by: Chia Pet | September 10, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Repost:

Dammmnnn....

On 980, Frank Hanrahan just said that he was alarmed today hearing Casey Rabach say, "Give us 2 to 3 more weeks to get the offense down."

Posted by: Not Anonymous | September 10, 2008 5:51 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Dammmnnn....

On 980, Frank Hanrahan just said that he was alarmed today hearing Casey Rabach say, "Give us 2 to 3 more weeks to get the offense down."

Posted by: Not Anonymous | September 10, 2008 5:51 PM

If that's all it takes, we'll have a collective sigh of relief here.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Take heart, Redskins fans. The Giants had one of the most dominant defenses in 2007.

As good as the Giant D was in 2007, the Saints D was, well, just as bad.

If our D comes to play, we win.

Posted by: stumped | September 10, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

"Portis said the Redskins must eliminate the penalties and the second- and third-and-long situations they faced against the Giants."

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How's about not tripping all over his own two feet when running in the open field?

In Portis' defense, I will say that he delivered on at least one solid pancake block of a pass rushing Giant.

This, we approve of.

Posted by: Chia Pet | September 10, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

... When there's something good to talk about I will be the first one to be excited trust me. ...

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 10, 2008 5:36 PM

When someone says "trust me," that means they think they need to TELL you to trust them, which means you shouldn't trust them.

Peeps were pooping on me when I tried to talk about the positives from the game (not just you, zjfr2), but everyone wanted to b!tch and moan about how the season (and Zorn ... and Campbell) were done based on Week One. I agree with the Anon in the previous thread at 5:33pm ... this place has become a crap post magnet ... a chat room for complainers and haters in "true longtime fan" clothing.

In the "reap what you sow" department, my positive Zojo earlier has since been rewarded as it traveled through the universe. A guy I worked with called me and asked "you interested in a couple of seats this weekend?" ... section 214 ... am I interested !!?!?? I got all Jim Mora with him. I am going to cheer for my team ... whether they are down or up. Week Two coming up peeps. Week TWO.

Posted by: dcsween | September 10, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Ruling in favor of dcsween. You get these bonus points that Gregory gave me earlier.

Posted by: Judge Judy | September 10, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Chia Pet,

You are a complete moron. How about picking someone other than Portis to complain about. He's about the only offensive player that was ready v the gmen. His 3.7 yds per carry were damn near miraculous considering he was hit in the backfield on close to 12 of his carries.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Dre Moore is what we need.he's on tampa's practice sqaud.he had 10.5 sack's for umd.he can bring pressure from the tackle position.that's what's missing from our d.line.

Posted by: D.C. | September 10, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm assuming, sween, you would throw me in the complainer, hater category?

Are you one of those peeps who thinks that supporting our troops means one must also support the war in Iraq, that to suggest otherwise, makes one an unpatriotic American?

Hopefully not, as being a "true" Redskins fan, or a true patriot involves the willingness to engage in some sober analysis of either your team, or your country, depending on the circumstances.

Week 2: Time to win a football game!

Posted by: Chia Pet | September 10, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I never said the season was lost, and I've seemed to be the only one that says be patient with Zorn, it was his first game ever! What I have said is our lines didn't look great, and that JC looked terrible, you guys can argue with that or wish it away but its true. What I also said was it being a contract year and all, and there being a lot of questions about whether JC fits this system anyway I said if we continue to really struggle and he continues to look bad I think its finally time to stop making excuses for him and give someone else a shot. And I also have said I think it was really stupid to draft two WRs and a TE when we needed so much else other than adding to our already pretty good collection of skill players. Now, what I think going forward is that this weekend and next are extremely important, if we can win the next two, then, even if we lose at Dallas and Philly we're still 2-3 and get everybody at home. And the flip side, if we lose the next two or split, we're in deep trouble.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 10, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

... When there's something good to talk about I will be the first one to be excited trust me. ...

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 10, 2008 5:36 PM

When someone says "trust me," that means they think they need to TELL you to trust them, which means you shouldn't trust them.

Peeps were pooping on me when I tried to talk about the positives from the game (not just you, zjfr2), but everyone wanted to b!tch and moan about how the season (and Zorn ... and Campbell) were done based on Week One. I agree with the Anon in the previous thread at 5:33pm ... this place has become a crap post magnet ... a chat room for complainers and haters in "true longtime fan" clothing.

In the "reap what you sow" department, my positive Zojo earlier has since been rewarded as it traveled through the universe. A guy I worked with called me and asked "you interested in a couple of seats this weekend?" ... section 214 ... am I interested !!?!?? I got all Jim Mora with him. I am going to cheer for my team ... whether they are down or up. Week Two coming up peeps. Week TWO.

Posted by: dcsween | September 10, 2008 5:59 PM

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Thanks goodness. Can we please get some more positive posts!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

@ Anonymous:

Ok, I'm a moron. You got me!

Take those stats and preach to someone who cares about stats, not to me.

Only stat I'm interested in is the one that shows up in the standings, as per Win - Loss ratio.

Posted by: Chia Pet | September 10, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Thanks goodness. Can we please get some more positive posts!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 6:09 PM

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

This "Anonymous" person has been blogging their guts out today. Bravo, Anonymous!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Running game won't materialize until the Skins get some blocking production out of the tight end position. CC spent too much time chasing his intended blocking target down the line or into the backfield last Thursday night. I realize that Danny Boy and the Vinny, Vidi, Vici didn't reward him with his multi-million dollar contract because of his blocking prowess but a little something in that department every now and then might be appropriate. Take a lesson from CP at the very least.

Posted by: JT in ABQ | September 10, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

@ Nate from a few posts back.

When I said we were "blown away" by the Giants I was being a bit melodramatic, true...

We weren't so much blown away, as we were simply on the receiving end of a nice a$$ whooping, at the hands of a divisional rival, the hated New York Giants.

We got punched in the mouth up there. Let's hope it doesn't happen again, shall we?

Posted by: Chia Pet | September 10, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I like Zorn because unlike gibb's he does'nt passify his player's.he's not afraid to tell a player what he need's to hear.give him some timhe's going to be one of the great one's.

Posted by: D.C. | September 10, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Somebody's career is coming to a screeching halt.

"A psychologist was among those who met with Young at his Brentwood home on Monday, and what she concluded and told team officials led to a bizarre, 24-hour period that ended just after midnight Monday. That's when Fisher met with Young and police at Baptist Sports Park."

And with this one from his Mom, how can he go back in that locker room and command ANY respect?:

"But he will be fine if people are prayerful and help my baby boy out. He is a young man. He just needs a lot of love and support.''

Maybe Leinart will get traded to--oh, that's right, Chow's not there anymore...

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080910/SPORTS01/809100426/1002

Posted by: Not Anonymous | September 10, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

In support of my last comment.

2007 stats:
Defensive Hog ranking: Giants=1, NO=22
Def Pass ranking: Giants=17, NO=32
CHFF website

Last years numbers from 16 games is more telling than 1 game this year.

The game against the Giants was not pretty, but it isn't the end of the world either.

As I alluded to yesterday, we're off to a better start this year with a close game lost to the Giants (SB winners), then we were last year barely winning against Miami last year (who did they beat, I forget).

Posted by: stumped | September 10, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

It is a good thing Portis is one of the best pass blockers in the league. Too bad we can't say the same about the guys locking for him. People keep talking about the tough defenses we have played against as reasone for our offesive ineptitude the last 4 weeks. Guess what, there are not that many weak defenses around to pick on anymore so you better be able to deliver on offense. How? Run the ball effectively, eliminate dumb penalties, and RUN PAST THE FIRST DOWN MARKER BEFORE YOU CUT OFF YOUR ROUTE ON 3RD DOWN!!!!!

How much slack should we cut people who are professional players that have played the game at a high level their entire lives, and cant run 6 yards on 3rd and 5, 3 yards on 3rd and 2, or 2 yards on 3rd and 1 1/2? The answer, none, zero, zilch. And how much do we cut the guy that decides to throw it to them even though they aren't far enough for the 1st down? Zero, none, nada, zilch. Of course when you are only looking at one receiver the entire play, how would you know if anyone else was for enouigh down field. JC is not the guy for this or probably any NFL offense. Sorry, I wish it weren't true, but it is.

This is the hand we are dealt though, so its Zorn's job to figure something out quick. Maybe Collins is the answer. he played very well last year and proved he can make quick accurate decisions in the pocket. Please no Colt Brennan lovers either. He is horrible. At the end of the year it may be worth it if our season has been decided one way or the other, to let him play so you can all see what a train wreck he is and will always be.

Posted by: DB | September 10, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

D.C., you've left me with the mental image of JG handing out pacifiers to the team at roll call last year...and all this time I thought they were using mouth guards.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

I just can't imagine how negative this blog's going to be if the Skins lose to the Aints.

Posted by: Eeyore | September 10, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

"this has lacanfora's name all over it"


Surely not. He's a media source not a league source. I really don't like giving teams bulletin board material. These games are hard enough to win without the extra incentive of making someone eat their words.

Posted by: will_ga | September 10, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

DB,
How did Collins look in preseason?

And the answer is: Baltimore.
The Question: Who did Miami beat last year?

Posted by: stumped | September 10, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins' Fightback begins:

Let's trade JC to the Titans for their number 1 next year. Let's start Colt and pick up Bartel to back up Collins.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Zorn said earlier this week that JC wasn't ready for the passing game. Needed more work in pre-season.

Now Rabach says the offense needs 'a few more weeks'.

What in the world did these millionaires do in August?

Zorn is off to a very bad start.

Posted by: GAD | September 10, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

@ Anonymous:

Ok, I'm a moron. You got me!

Chia Pet

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Truer words were never spoken!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I see that we are basically on a four year plan here, so be patient. Here is Cerrato's thinking:
1) First year. Blow apart existing offense. Hire a qb coach to "fix" existing qb. Promote new qb coach to become head coach. New qb coach must now invent entirely new offensive scheme. Zorn meets Campbell, tells him to get his butt lower and thinks that the problem is solved. Fixate on drafting tall receivers. Dedicate 16 regular season games to learn new system.

2) Year 2. System still not implemented successfully, possible qb problem (as in not making his reads on time) for a WCO. Use high first place draft pick (because of 4-12 record) to pick another qb who is small, fast and scrambles well. Use fifth round pick to rebuild offensive line. Increase medical staff for remaining offensive and defensive linemen. Brennan is still thought of as a "project" by Zorn despite completing 80% of fourth quarter preseason passes. Use remaining draft picks on punters and sub 5-10 inch cornerbacks. Portis' contract renewed for 5 more years.

3) Year 3. The fact that no Skins qb has been able to start two consecutive games without getting mauled results in Zorn implementing the "personal blocker" offensive scheme in which large round 300 pound running backs are used in the backfield as bodyguards. Top two picks are used on Ron Dane look alikes. Fourth round pick used to rebuild the offensive line. Long snapper is used on 100% of offensive plays to a deep shotgun qb. Campbell expresses confidence in having the time to read now. Snyder praises the "vision" of Cerrato.

4) Year 4. Campbell tries out for the long snapper center position and finds himself most comfortable there. Brennan now the starting qb. The qb drafted in the second year is traded to the Patriots for a sixth round pick. The top 3 picks are used on tight ends. Snyder praises Cerrato's "truly unique vision". Heyer, Fabini, Jansen are given 3 year contract extensions.

Posted by: Dale | September 10, 2008 6:28 PM

Posted by: Dale | September 10, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why we are surprised that JC struggles with the new system. He has never demonstrated the ability to successfully manage the passing game at the distances where touch and accuracy are paramount. He has always struggled with the short pass - swing, screen, dump. Too many times his passes are out of reach or behind the receiver which restricts the ability of the receiver to take the pass in stride and make the required distance. Hopefully Coach Z can coach him up.

Posted by: JT in ABQ | September 10, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

This is the hand we are dealt though, so its Zorn's job to figure something out quick. Maybe Collins is the answer. he played very well last year and proved he can make quick accurate decisions in the pocket. Please no Colt Brennan lovers either. He is horrible. At the end of the year it may be worth it if our season has been decided one way or the other, to let him play so you can all see what a train wreck he is and will always be.

Posted by: DB | September 10, 2008 6:26 PM

DB, I love the passion, but I don't know what you expect, new coach, new offense...blah, blah, blah. It's going to take time. Maybe Zorn works out, maybe not. Hopefully he'll get the chance to be successful

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Dale, that's brilliant but you left out years 6 through 10...it's actually a 10 year plan modeled on the thought of 1930's Soviet economist Pashtusky.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Step 1 Is the Run for Skins
The Redskins have to run the ball early, often and successfully Sunday. I know this isn't rocket science, but it's worth stating. We all know where the offense is in its development right now (and how far it has to go) and we all know how long these adjustments can take, and we all know that the running attack uses essentially the same blocking and terminology as it did under Joe Gibbs.

The Redskins are going to have to be able to run the rock with some authority to keep teams honest. Period. Otherwise it'll be eight and nine players in the box all the time, and given how the offensive line has looked the past 3-4 weeks, I don't see them being able to thrive in any sort of outnumbered situation.

I also don't see the Redskins being able to get it going in the passing game without being able to have the threat of play action and without using the run to open things up for Jason Campbell, buying him some time, keeping defenses from being able to tee off on passing downs, giving the offensive the luxury of maybe playing with a lead, etc.

"The other night they caught on quick that our passing was a little off-timing and they started dropped eight and nine men into the box to fill those [running] lanes," Clinton Portis said.

Portis has to have a big game; 3.7 yards per carry isn't going to get it done. The issues in the run game go beyond the back, though. Far too often Thursday night Portis was being grabbed, bounced or flung behind the line of scrimmage. He often had to move laterally, avoid a Giants defender or duck before he could even begin to pick out a hole. A lot of those plays simply never had a chance to work because the Giants were blowing them up before they really began (I guess we have to continue to laud Antonio Pierce for some of this).

"Any time the defense gets penetration like that and makes Clinton make moves before he gets to the line of scrimmage, that's good defense," center Casey Rabach said. "And as an offensive line that's something we need to help out with. ... Any time the defense is making plays behind the line the first place you look is the offensive line."

The Saints' defensive Line can get it done (issues with their secondary will linger for a while, I suspect, but they can make things happen at the line of scrimmage). Portis knows a lot of those guys personally and was dropping kudos on them this afternoon at his media session. "It looks good," he said of the Saints' run front. "As a defense they look good."

Portis said the Redskins must eliminate the penalties and the second- and third-and-long situations they faced against the Giants. He attributed many of the problems in the run game to "mental" mistakes, like missed blocking assignments and "not going to the right man."

Eventually, Portis hopes there is some downfield component to this aerial offense, though he knows patience will be required as this thing comes together. The Redskins did not complete a true deep route in the preseason with the starters that I can recall, and a checkdown to Antwaan Randle El for 26 yards was the long play in the opener. Jim Zorn's West Coast offense is more of a short-and-medium game, but he does want to take and complete some deep shots.

Campbell has the arm and Santana Moss has the speed and loves those go routes, but that's not what this attack is based on. Seeing a bit more of a commitment to throwing long balls can get some of the safeties to drop back in coverage, though, and give Portis and Co. more space to find yards on the ground. To the tailback, "Campbell to Moss for 55 yards," may sound even better than "Portis breaks three tackles for a 15-yard gain," right about now.

It all goes hand in hand, and the Redskins are going to have to force teams to fully respect one aspect of their offense sometime soon. Seems to be the most likely chance for success might come from getting the guys upfront in the offensive line to rediscover a street-fighting mentality and try to beat some people up at the line.


By Jason La Canfora | September 10, 2008; 5:30 PM ET
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bring those blitzers to the line. we can dink and dunk too, or so I've heard...

Posted by: wellsee | September 10, 2008 5:36 PM

Who is this "Chris Cooley" person you all keep referring to?

Posted by: Jason Campbell | September 10, 2008 3:46 PM


Posted by: Hillarious | September 10, 2008 5:37 PM

Pete Nice the prime minister

Posted by: 3rd Bass | September 10, 2008 5:38 PM

Al, Zeke, or whatever your name is, send me a trade proposal that dosen't include Gates nor Turner and we maybe can talk......

Posted by: 4th | September 10, 2008 4:28 PM

Ummmm .... 4th, Jackson for Johnson doesn't include Turner or Gates


Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 10, 2008 5:45 PM

Cork, you keep saying the glass is 9/10 full or 3/4 full. I'm thinking that its a really really really large glass and the portion that you drank was really really really strong stuff ...

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 10, 2008 5:47 PM

'9/10 full or 3/4 full'

The remaining 4/7 is 3/5 empty.

Posted by: Yogi Berra | September 10, 2008 5:49 PM

"Seems to be the most likely chance for success might come from getting the guys upfront in the offensive line to rediscover a street-fighting mentality and try to beat some people up at the line."

By Jason La Canfora | September 10, 2008; 5:30 PM ET


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Can I get an Amen? To that, I say Halleluja. Also, Praise the Lord.

Best moment of the defeat at the hands of the Gints was seeing Kendell Pet rip Antonio Pierce's helmet off.

More, more, more!

Posted by: Chia Pet | September 10, 2008 5:51 PM

Repost:

Dammmnnn....

On 980, Frank Hanrahan just said that he was alarmed today hearing Casey Rabach say, "Give us 2 to 3 more weeks to get the offense down."

Posted by: Not Anonymous | September 10, 2008 5:51 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 5:52 PM

Dammmnnn....

On 980, Frank Hanrahan just said that he was alarmed today hearing Casey Rabach say, "Give us 2 to 3 more weeks to get the offense down."

Posted by: Not Anonymous | September 10, 2008 5:51 PM

If that's all it takes, we'll have a collective sigh of relief here.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 5:53 PM

Take heart, Redskins fans. The Giants had one of the most dominant defenses in 2007.

As good as the Giant D was in 2007, the Saints D was, well, just as bad.

If our D comes to play, we win.

Posted by: stumped | September 10, 2008 5:56 PM

"Portis said the Redskins must eliminate the penalties and the second- and third-and-long situations they faced against the Giants."

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How's about not tripping all over his own two feet when running in the open field?

In Portis' defense, I will say that he delivered on at least one solid pancake block of a pass rushing Giant.

This, we approve of.


Posted by: Chia Pet | September 10, 2008 5:57 PM

... When there's something good to talk about I will be the first one to be excited trust me. ...

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 10, 2008 5:36 PM

When someone says "trust me," that means they think they need to TELL you to trust them, which means you shouldn't trust them.

Peeps were pooping on me when I tried to talk about the positives from the game (not just you, zjfr2), but everyone wanted to b!tch and moan about how the season (and Zorn ... and Campbell) were done based on Week One. I agree with the Anon in the previous thread at 5:33pm ... this place has become a crap post magnet ... a chat room for complainers and haters in "true longtime fan" clothing.

In the "reap what you sow" department, my positive Zojo earlier has since been rewarded as it traveled through the universe. A guy I worked with called me and asked "you interested in a couple of seats this weekend?" ... section 214 ... am I interested !!?!?? I got all Jim Mora with him. I am going to cheer for my team ... whether they are down or up. Week Two coming up peeps. Week TWO.

Posted by: dcsween | September 10, 2008 5:59 PM

Ruling in favor of dcsween. You get these bonus points that Gregory gave me earlier.

Posted by: Judge Judy | September 10, 2008 6:03 PM

Chia Pet,

You are a complete moron. How about picking someone other than Portis to complain about. He's about the only offensive player that was ready v the gmen. His 3.7 yds per carry were damn near miraculous considering he was hit in the backfield on close to 12 of his carries.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 6:03 PM

Dre Moore is what we need.he's on tampa's practice sqaud.he had 10.5 sack's for umd.he can bring pressure from the tackle position.that's what's missing from our d.line.

Posted by: D.C. | September 10, 2008 6:04 PM

I'm assuming, sween, you would throw me in the complainer, hater category?

Are you one of those peeps who thinks that supporting our troops means one must also support the war in Iraq, that to suggest otherwise, makes one an unpatriotic American?

Hopefully not, as being a "true" Redskins fan, or a true patriot involves the willingness to engage in some sober analysis of either your team, or your country, depending on the circumstances.

Week 2: Time to win a football game!


Posted by: Chia Pet | September 10, 2008 6:09 PM

I never said the season was lost, and I've seemed to be the only one that says be patient with Zorn, it was his first game ever! What I have said is our lines didn't look great, and that JC looked terrible, you guys can argue with that or wish it away but its true. What I also said was it being a contract year and all, and there being a lot of questions about whether JC fits this system anyway I said if we continue to really struggle and he continues to look bad I think its finally time to stop making excuses for him and give someone else a shot. And I also have said I think it was really stupid to draft two WRs and a TE when we needed so much else other than adding to our already pretty good collection of skill players. Now, what I think going forward is that this weekend and next are extremely important, if we can win the next two, then, even if we lose at Dallas and Philly we're still 2-3 and get everybody at home. And the flip side, if we lose the next two or split, we're in deep trouble.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 10, 2008 6:09 PM

... When there's something good to talk about I will be the first one to be excited trust me. ...

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 10, 2008 5:36 PM

When someone says "trust me," that means they think they need to TELL you to trust them, which means you shouldn't trust them.

Peeps were pooping on me when I tried to talk about the positives from the game (not just you, zjfr2), but everyone wanted to b!tch and moan about how the season (and Zorn ... and Campbell) were done based on Week One. I agree with the Anon in the previous thread at 5:33pm ... this place has become a crap post magnet ... a chat room for complainers and haters in "true longtime fan" clothing.

In the "reap what you sow" department, my positive Zojo earlier has since been rewarded as it traveled through the universe. A guy I worked with called me and asked "you interested in a couple of seats this weekend?" ... section 214 ... am I interested !!?!?? I got all Jim Mora with him. I am going to cheer for my team ... whether they are down or up. Week Two coming up peeps. Week TWO.

Posted by: dcsween | September 10, 2008 5:59 PM

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Thanks goodness. Can we please get some more positive posts!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 6:09 PM

@ Anonymous:

Ok, I'm a moron. You got me!

Take those stats and preach to someone who cares about stats, not to me.

Only stat I'm interested in is the one that shows up in the standings, as per Win - Loss ratio.

Posted by: Chia Pet | September 10, 2008 6:12 PM

Thanks goodness. Can we please get some more positive posts!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 6:09 PM

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 6:12 PM

this has lacanfora's name all over it

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/09/10/skins-thrilled-to-hear-colston-is-out/#comments

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 6:13 PM

This "Anonymous" person has been blogging their guts out today. Bravo, Anonymous!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 6:15 PM

Running game won't materialize until the Skins get some blocking production out of the tight end position. CC spent too much time chasing his intended blocking target down the line or into the backfield last Thursday night. I realize that Danny Boy and the Vinny, Vidi, Vici didn't reward him with his multi-million dollar contract because of his blocking prowess but a little something in that department every now and then might be appropriate. Take a lesson from CP at the very least.

Posted by: JT in ABQ | September 10, 2008 6:16 PM

@ Nate from a few posts back.

When I said we were "blown away" by the Giants I was being a bit melodramatic, true...

We weren't so much blown away, as we were simply on the receiving end of a nice a$$ whooping, at the hands of a divisional rival, the hated New York Giants.

We got punched in the mouth up there. Let's hope it doesn't happen again, shall we?

Posted by: Chia Pet | September 10, 2008 6:16 PM

I like Zorn because unlike gibb's he does'nt passify his player's.he's not afraid to tell a player what he need's to hear.give him some timhe's going to be one of the great one's.

Posted by: D.C. | September 10, 2008 6:19 PM

Somebody's career is coming to a screeching halt.

"A psychologist was among those who met with Young at his Brentwood home on Monday, and what she concluded and told team officials led to a bizarre, 24-hour period that ended just after midnight Monday. That's when Fisher met with Young and police at Baptist Sports Park."

And with this one from his Mom, how can he go back in that locker room and command ANY respect?:

"But he will be fine if people are prayerful and help my baby boy out. He is a young man. He just needs a lot of love and support.''

Maybe Leinart will get traded to--oh, that's right, Chow's not there anymore...

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080910/SPORTS01/809100426/1002

Posted by: Not Anonymous | September 10, 2008 6:23 PM

In support of my last comment.

2007 stats:
Defensive Hog ranking: Giants=1, NO=22
Def Pass ranking: Giants=17, NO=32
CHFF website

Last years numbers from 16 games is more telling than 1 game this year.

The game against the Giants was not pretty, but it isn't the end of the world either.

As I alluded to yesterday, we're off to a better start this year with a close game lost to the Giants (SB winners), then we were last year barely winning against Miami last year (who did they beat, I forget).

Posted by: stumped | September 10, 2008 6:25 PM

It is a good thing Portis is one of the best pass blockers in the league. Too bad we can't say the same about the guys locking for him. People keep talking about the tough defenses we have played against as reasone for our offesive ineptitude the last 4 weeks. Guess what, there are not that many weak defenses around to pick on anymore so you better be able to deliver on offense. How? Run the ball effectively, eliminate dumb penalties, and RUN PAST THE FIRST DOWN MARKER BEFORE YOU CUT OFF YOUR ROUTE ON 3RD DOWN!!!!!

How much slack should we cut people who are professional players that have played the game at a high level their entire lives, and cant run 6 yards on 3rd and 5, 3 yards on 3rd and 2, or 2 yards on 3rd and 1 1/2? The answer, none, zero, zilch. And how much do we cut the guy that decides to throw it to them even though they aren't far enough for the 1st down? Zero, none, nada, zilch. Of course when you are only looking at one receiver the entire play, how would you know if anyone else was for enouigh down field. JC is not the guy for this or probably any NFL offense. Sorry, I wish it weren't true, but it is.

This is the hand we are dealt though, so its Zorn's job to figure something out quick. Maybe Collins is the answer. he played very well last year and proved he can make quick accurate decisions in the pocket. Please no Colt Brennan lovers either. He is horrible. At the end of the year it may be worth it if our season has been decided one way or the other, to let him play so you can all see what a train wreck he is and will always be.

Posted by: DB | September 10, 2008 6:26 PM

D.C., you've left me with the mental image of JG handing out pacifiers to the team at roll call last year...and all this time I thought they were using mouth guards.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 6:29 PM

I just can't imagine how negative this blog's going to be if the Skins lose to the Aints.

Posted by: Eeyore | September 10, 2008 6:31 PM

"this has lacanfora's name all over it"


Surely not. He's a media source not a league source. I really don't like giving teams bulletin board material. These games are hard enough to win without the extra incentive of making someone eat their words.

Posted by: will_ga | September 10, 2008 6:33 PM

DB,
How did Collins look in preseason?

And the answer is: Baltimore.
The Question: Who did Miami beat last year?

Posted by: stumped | September 10, 2008 6:33 PM

The Redskins' Fightback begins:

Let's trade JC to the Titans for their number 1 next year. Let's start Colt and pick up Bartel to back up Collins.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 6:34 PM

Zorn said earlier this week that JC wasn't ready for the passing game. Needed more work in pre-season.

Now Rabach says the offense needs 'a few more weeks'.

What in the world did these millionaires do in August?

Zorn is off to a very bad start.

Posted by: GAD | September 10, 2008 6:45 PM

@ Anonymous:

Ok, I'm a moron. You got me!

Chia Pet

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Truer words were never spoken!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 6:48 PM

I see that we are basically on a four year plan here, so be patient. Here is Cerrato's thinking:
1) First year. Blow apart existing offense. Hire a qb coach to "fix" existing qb. Promote new qb coach to become head coach. New qb coach must now invent entirely new offensive scheme. Zorn meets Campbell, tells him to get his butt lower and thinks that the problem is solved. Fixate on drafting tall receivers. Dedicate 16 regular season games to learn new system.

2) Year 2. System still not implemented successfully, possible qb problem (as in not making his reads on time) for a WCO. Use high first place draft pick (because of 4-12 record) to pick another qb who is small, fast and scrambles well. Use fifth round pick to rebuild offensive line. Increase medical staff for remaining offensive and defensive linemen. Brennan is still thought of as a "project" by Zorn despite completing 80% of fourth quarter preseason passes. Use remaining draft picks on punters and sub 5-10 inch cornerbacks. Portis' contract renewed for 5 more years.

3) Year 3. The fact that no Skins qb has been able to start two consecutive games without getting mauled results in Zorn implementing the "personal blocker" offensive scheme in which large round 300 pound running backs are used in the backfield as bodyguards. Top two picks are used on Ron Dane look alikes. Fourth round pick used to rebuild the offensive line. Long snapper is used on 100% of offensive plays to a deep shotgun qb. Campbell expresses confidence in having the time to read now. Snyder praises the "vision" of Cerrato.

4) Year 4. Campbell tries out for the long snapper center position and finds himself most comfortable there. Brennan now the starting qb. The qb drafted in the second year is traded to the Patriots for a sixth round pick. The top 3 picks are used on tight ends. Snyder praises Cerrato's "truly unique vision". Heyer, Fabini, Jansen are given 3 year contract extensions.

Posted by: Dale | September 10, 2008 6:28 PM

Posted by: Dale | September 10, 2008 6:49 PM

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Dale, wow, talk about looking at things in a positive light. Dude, don't forget your anti-depressants.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

What an honor to be called a "moron" by a spineless sponge bob of an anon at 6:48 PM, on September 10, 2008.

I'm just flabbergasted.

Thanks, dude! I'll still be rooting for Jason Campbell, and the rest of the Washington Redskins while you continue to think up really, really creative insults to lob in my direction.

;-)

Posted by: Chia Pet | September 10, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

"Seems to be the most likely chance for success might come from getting the guys upfront in the offensive line to rediscover a street-fighting mentality and try to beat some people up at the line."

Good call. Typical Gibbs era move. Rediscover that top 5 run offense in time of need.

Posted by: Gfunk | September 10, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Amazing how crotchety blog peeps get when the Redskins lose.

Winning fixes everything.

Posted by: Chia Pet | September 10, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Jasno I know this isn't your fault but it sounds like you're just doing a copy & paste from some of your older/Gibbs stories.

Posted by: David | September 10, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

I bet that story about the Skins celebrating Colston won't play was made up....I also think that Vince Young's situation is not football related

Posted by: sickcuz | September 10, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Dre Moore is what we need.he's on tampa's practice sqaud.he had 10.5 sack's for umd.he can bring pressure from the tackle position.that's what's missing from our d.line.

Posted by: D.C. | September 10, 2008 6:04 PM

I was actually pulling to get this guy during the combine, now he's on a practice squad. Guess it's good I'm not the Scott Campbell that works for the skins. I would have hoped he could be a starter.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

I bet that story about the Skins celebrating Colston won't play was made up....I also think that Vince Young's situation is not football related

Posted by: sickcuz | September 10, 2008 7:12 PM

I hope you're right about the skins. Vince Y. clearly has some issues. I hope he can use this down time to focus on how to handle adversity and giving some antidepressants time to build up in his system.

Posted by: will_ga | September 10, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

strange Redskins facts for a wednesday:

- 1.3 tons...the weight of sewage expelled from Fed-Ex field on home game days

- 1.3 tons...the combined weight of the hot dogs and burgers consumed at Fed-Ex during a home game

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Talented10th | September 10, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

that from the NYTimes' Play magazine supplement:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/sports/playmagazine/14OFFTHEFIELD.html?hp

Posted by: Talented10th | September 10, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Wow. There are, maybe, 5 posts up there that are worth reading (dcsween, scampbell, zjfr2: people, I may not always agree with you but you don't waste my time).

Look, a solid running game is never a bad idea, but I'd personally like better executed screen passes, and getting Chris Cooley more involved as well. Also, did I imagine this or is a two TE set reasonably common in WCO's?

Posted by: AppleScience | September 10, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

You imagined it. The WCO relies heavily on power sets (H back and one TE) and split flanker sets where the TE is sent in motion. Just take a look at any old Frisco clips on youtube to see the classic example from the mind of Walsh, the WCO guru.

Posted by: Gary H. | September 10, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Look, a solid running game is never a bad idea, but I'd personally like better executed screen passes, and getting Chris Cooley more involved as well. Also, did I imagine this or is a two TE set reasonably common in WCO's?

Posted by: AppleScience | September 10, 2008 7:36 PM

I believe you are correct. The same reason I believe we picked up Sleepy McRookie. If our o-line could do some good blocking without help it would be deadly.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

AppleSauce,

I'm with you on the low quality of posts in this thread. Unfortunately for you I also include your post in that category.

Posted by: Rich Gorgon | September 10, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

You imagined it. The WCO relies heavily on power sets (H back and one TE) and split flanker sets where the TE is sent in motion. Just take a look at any old Frisco clips on youtube to see the classic example from the mind of Walsh, the WCO guru.

Posted by: Gary H. | September 10, 2008 7:40 PM

I believe one of the things Zorn said (and others although I can't remember who) was that they needed a 3rd TE because they wanted to run 2 TE sets. So it may not be a WCO staple but it was a serious consideration going into the draft.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Cindy/Jasons/et al,

Has there been any sign of a shotgun formation in practice, or has that bird flown the coop?

Posted by: stumped | September 10, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

For those of you drinking the "Zorn is just here to hold Cowher's place" Kool-Aid, NFL.com says he's all but done:


Adam Schefter
Cowher in no rush to return to sidelines
Posted: September 10th, 2008 | Adam Schefter | Tags: Bill Cowher

As soon as the coaching carousel starts spinning, so does the speculation about whether CBS analyst Bill Cowher will coach next season.

But late last month, Cowher told me the soonest he could see himself coaching was 2010. At the earliest. And even then, he didn’t sound very convinced he would be back.

The exact question posed to him was, “Are we going to see Bill Cowher patrolling the sideline again in 2009?”

And his exact answer –- transcribed by the fine young men, Brad Fancon and Jason Kleinman, at NFL.com –- was: “No, I don’t think so. I mean, I’m working on the same extension that the CBA (collective bargaining agreement) is (and that runs through 2010). So I mean, I’m on here until at least 2010 — or more.

“But, I don’t think so. You know what Adam, I’m really enjoying CBS. They’ve been very good and allowed me to come in. Last year was a lot of fun working with James Brown, and Dan (Marino), and Shannon (Sharpe), and Boomer (Esisason). I had a chance to watch more football doing what I’m doing on Sundays than I did when I was coaching, which was just focused on my team. And I really enjoyed the National Football League, all the storylines taking place. It has really filled a tremendous void that I thought was going to be there that I’ve been able to do by doing this little gig I have on Sundays.”

Now, understand. Feelings changes, circumstances change, and Cowher always could change his mind. Certain owners could make it very hard, and compelling, for him. But Cowher certainly did not sound like that would be the case, not when he addressed the issue late last month.

Those who know Cowher say he is very happy with his TV role and his new, less-stressful, more relaxed life. They think it will be his life for a while.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 10, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

AP is reporting the Redskins have abandoned the shotgun because Diron Talbert and the estate of George Allen objected to implementing a Tom Landry formation.

Posted by: Rich Gorgon | September 10, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

AppleSauce,

I'm with you on the low quality of posts in this thread. Unfortunately for you I also include your post in that category.

Posted by: Rich Gorgon | September 10, 2008 7:44 PM

AP is reporting the Redskins have abandoned the shotgun because Diron Talbert and the estate of George Allen objected to implementing a Tom Landry formation.

Posted by: Rich Gorgon | September 10, 2008 7:50 PM

Yes Rich, and yours are so entertaining and informative. You are definitely setting the bar for quality posts.


Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Dre Moore is what we need.he's on tampa's practice sqaud.he had 10.5 sack's for umd.he can bring pressure from the tackle position.that's what's missing from our d.line.

Posted by: D.C. | September 10, 2008 6:04 PM

I was actually pulling to get this guy during the combine, now he's on a practice squad. Guess it's good I'm not the Scott Campbell that works for the skins. I would have hoped he could be a starter.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2008 7:18 PM

Dre Moore was a big disappointment in Tampa. He's one of the few fourth rounders in the league who didn't make the roster. Tampa had actually traded up to get the guy, but he didn't show them much in camp.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 10, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Was it really true that Gibbs was calling the plays last week from his garage in North Carolina....???

We'll keep talking about these same issues until there are substantive changes in the ownership, front office and culture of the team. Apparently the team finally found an identity after the Gibbs 2.0 years. That was then cast aside. Granted, Gibbs left abrubtly, but there were opportunities to find head coaches who would commit to maintaining the Gibbs philosophy (i.e. Schwartz and Spagnuolo)and maximize success with the roster. The personnel and systems are not aligned - why not trade Campbell and pick up Pennington to run the "WCO" until Brennan is capable rather than trying a hybrid Gibbs approach? Look at backs like Westbrook that fit the "WCO" rather than trying to take the power run game and bolt it onto the "WCO" passing attack.

Optimism is laudable, but needs to be tempered with realism.

Posted by: NotSurprised | September 10, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Those who know Cowher say he is very happy with his TV role and his new, less-stressful, more relaxed life. They think it will be his life for a while.


Posted by: brownwood26

why would he want to come to DC? I think there may be more interesting and better managed places to go, ie: San Diego if Norval falls short again.

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 10, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

why would he want to come to DC? I think there may be more interesting and better managed places to go, ie: San Diego if Norval falls short again.

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 10, 2008 8:22 PM

He likes living in Carolina. He's waiting for John Fox to blow up and he'll take that job. DC is closer to Carolina than San Diego. But, he's not a San Diego sort of guy.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 10, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

+++Was it really true that Gibbs was calling the plays last week from his garage in North Carolina....???+++

I think you may have hit on the problem. Gibbs was speaking at the Republican convention. So when he told the the audience to follow John McCain's lead ... the Skins players played like they were 72 years old.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Talent,

you may be right. I live in the carolina's and last weekends game vs. san diego was the best IMO of the week. with a QB the sort I'd like the skins to have, Delhomme winning it with a forward pass. Imagine that!

I think Fox is well liked though, so 2010 may be a pipe dream for that position. San Diego has much better weather.

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 10, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Dumbest story of the Day

Don't expect to see Chad Johnson Ocho Cinco wearing his new name on a jersey anytime soon. CNBC's Darren Rovell reports on his blog that the former Mr. Johnson would be forced to buy out the stock of the 100,000 remaining "C. Johnson" jerseys before making the switch to "Ocho Cinco". If Reebok asked Ocho Cinco to pay for the cost of making the unsold jerseys, the total could reach upwards of $4 million (or $50 million pesos).
Because Johnson changed his name so close to the start of the season, Reebok was left in a bind since they'd have to produce new jerseys and eat the old ones. That's why the NFL has told Johnson he'd have to reimburse the company for the price of the jerseys. That's not unprecedented, rookie linebacker Keith Rivers did it last week when he changed his uniform number. Of course, Rivers didn't have thousands of jerseys with his name on it on sales racks nationwide.
This whole charade, of course, is pretty ridiculous. It's tough to defend Johnson, as he's so narcissistic that he makes T.O. look like Mother Teresa. And the NFL is so blatant in their attempts to block Johnson from donning his new name on the back of his Bengals jersey that it almost seems beneath them. Sure, it's inane and self-serving and could set a bad precedent, but shouldn't the league be focusing on more important issues, like stopping players from celebrating touchdowns?

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exactly when did Chad force Reebok to make all those jerseys???

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 10, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

With the showing the Skins had against the Giants, I understand the "sky is falling" approach by some of our novice RI participants.

1) This team has made some bad personnel moves over the years. I think they have wasted draft picks, overpaid for free agents and have not maximized talent on both sides of the ball. As many people that cry for Vinny's head, no one criticizes Joe Gibbs. Many of these moves were under his watch and were his calls as VP of the team. I see this team headed in a completely different direction under Cerrato, but they have messed up so much in the past that it will take time to significantly upgrade talent.

2) It's too early to cut ties with JC. I've been thinking alot about this and I certainly have been critical of him, but JC needs to take this team by the reigns. This is his team and he needs to lead it. Stop making excuses and play football. I would not be critical if he just threw the ball rather than being indecisive.

3) We keep overlooking the lack of real talent at the WR position. James Thrash is not a starting receiver on most teams. Look at the Giants. Sinorice Moss is the #2 receiver. They have Toomer and Burress. Don't call Kelly and Thomas busts after one game. It makes no sense. If they just get on the field and catch a few balls, we'll be fine.

4) Why so much change around here? Gibbs' offense could not score points. Rather than tweeking the passing game, he brings in Al Saunders, but you won't let him have control of the offense. Then you go back to "smashmouth" football except you call the game conservatively. Then Gibbs retires suddenly. Everybody pats Gibbs on the head (as they should for some things) and marvels at how well he has left this team. Zorn coaches one game and fans are ready to run him outta town, boycott the owner or worse. This is Gibbs' talent with Zorn's vision.

4) Know why we don't look like any of these other teams...because our QB has the ability but not the confidence. This team will only follow the lead of the QB.

THIS IS THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO SIC

Posted by: sicwidit | September 10, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

What an honor to be called a "moron" by a spineless sponge bob of an anon at 6:48 PM, on September 10, 2008.

I'm just flabbergasted.

Thanks, dude! I'll still be rooting for Jason Campbell, and the rest of the Washington Redskins while you continue to think up really, really creative insults to lob in my direction.

;-)

Posted by: Chia Pet | September 10, 2008 7:01 PM

Chia, you are such an idiot. Just find another blog that appreciates your "insightful" commentary. Good luck, but don't hold your breath.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Anyone that spends any time in San Diego becomes a "San Diego type"

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Look at backs like Westbrook that fit the "WCO" rather than trying to take the power run game and bolt it onto the "WCO" passing attack.

Optimism is laudable, but needs to be tempered with realism.

Posted by: NotSurprised | September 10, 2008 8:07 PM

Didn't Portis play in and excel in a WCO in Denver?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Anyone that spends any time in San Diego becomes a "San Diego type"

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2008 8:59 PM

Except Marty Schottenheimer. Anybody spends time in Carolina becomes a BBQ hound.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 10, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

scampbell,

Now you know that's a load of nonsense. I once spent 20 minutes in San Diego's airport on a flight from Dulles to Baja. Does that make me a SD Type. Come on man, focus, and think before you type or typecast. Take a walk to clear out the cobwebs and come back with more precision. Please for the sake of the blog.

Posted by: Rich Gorgon | September 10, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Except Marty Schottenheimer. Anybody spends time in Carolina becomes a BBQ hound.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 10, 2008 9:03 PM

I meant "except Marty Schottenheimer and Rich Gorgon." But I'm sticking by the BBQ love.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 10, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

nice sic.

Posted by: stumped | September 10, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Talent,

I love your style.

Posted by: Rich Gorgon | September 10, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Okay, how's this? I lived in Georgia for 15 years, a lot of it in Savannah and Atlanta. Was born and raised in Fairfax, VA, have spent significant time in New England and currnetly reside in the Midwest. I lived in San Diego for 4 years and took my wife out there for 1 week. As soon as I find a job opening that suits me out there I will be hurrying back. My wife didn't want to leave once being there for 2 days.
Now, the airport does not constitute what I call "spending some time" there. So back off of the literality and use some common sense man. I'm sure that everyone else that reads that statement will get my meaning. (Even if it is an exageration)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Except Marty Schottenheimer. Anybody spends time in Carolina becomes a BBQ hound.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 10, 2008 9:03 PM

I meant "except Marty Schottenheimer and Rich Gorgon." But I'm sticking by the BBQ love.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 10, 2008 9:06 PM

I did develop quite an affinity for BBQ while down there.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Let me ask a simple question to my serious, hardcore RI regulars...

Is this really a bad team or is this a team in transition? We vent about the FO, bash Snyder and Vinny, but after some bad years we went to the playoffs two of hour years with one win.

Personally, I think this is a talented team in transtion with a QB with a big question mark.

This may have nothing to do with the Skins, but I am currently the new Director at my job and I've been there three weeks. Things look like crap(due to a previous admin.), but getting better every day.

Are the Skins exempt from the same? just askin...

Why should th

Posted by: sicwidit | September 10, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

what do you mean by a San Diego type exactly?

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 10, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

what do you mean by a San Diego type exactly?


Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 10, 2008 9:14 PM

I mean the type that loves San Diego.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

well count me in then brother!

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 10, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

OK Scampbell, that's good backstory so I'll take a chill-pill and stop razzing you. I was just a little cheezed off that you called me on my posts in 7:54.

Posted by: Rich Gorgon | September 10, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

My boss wants me to move to San Diego.
Trouble is I'd have to leave PDX.

Transition. The team was above average last year even with some big injuries on the OL. Making the playoffs was lucky.

The roster is better this year. The new offense throws thing off quite a bit, but it wasn't like the O was on the same page last year either.

We need to win a division game to get our mojo back.

Posted by: stumped | September 10, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

sicwidit asks: "Is this really a bad team or is this a team in transition?"

I feel compelled to answer your question with a question: Are those possibilities mutually exclusive?

Posted by: Rich Gorgon | September 10, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I mean the type that loves San Diego.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2008 9:15 PM

Exactly. Saint Diego, San Diego in Spanish. Canonized in 1217 AD. The patron saint of small farm animals.

He is worshipped devoutly by a small but growing band of pastoralists who find salvation in his dying words "God bless the little pigs and domestic geese. I have done what I can, I leave it to you and to mankind to finish my work."

This is also his commonality with those of us who worship Carolina BBQ and the swines that make it possible.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 10, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

anyway,

I'm in favor of giving Zorn at least 3 years to get more of his type players for his system, including QB. I think DS and VC should, but may not, understand bringing in a new system and coach takes time. JC, as I've said before, is a good kid, but not for the WCO. I admit however, he hasn't a receiver taller than 5'10". Still can't believe Mix, or McMullen weren't good enough to keep??

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 10, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

RG,
I think sic is after the vector here, downward arcing versus upward arcing.

Posted by: stumped | September 10, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Keeping them would mean loosing a precious rookie.

Posted by: stumped | September 10, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Stumped,

Well, so be it then. This is the trouble with the Skins. To many egos in the FO to produce a great product on the field. IMHO.

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 10, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

OK Scampbell, that's good backstory so I'll take a chill-pill and stop razzing you. I was just a little cheezed off that you called me on my posts in 7:54.

Posted by: Rich Gorgon | September 10, 2008 9:19 PM

It's all good. It's all welcome here.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Stumped,

In that case I'll answer as truthfully as I can. This is a slightly bad team in transition. Hopefully they will prove me wrong, and I fully expect the Skins to beat NO rather handily. But by the end of the season I see 7-9, and a team in the bottom 3rd of points scored.

Posted by: Rich Gorgon | September 10, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

My boss wants me to move to San Diego.
Trouble is I'd have to leave PDX.

Posted by: stumped | September 10, 2008 9:21 PM

I here it's real nice up there, too. The one part of the country I haven't had the pleasure of any extended period of stay. My brother loves it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

By all accounts McMullen was a baller.
Seattle picked him up according to one comment.

Posted by: stumped | September 10, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

My wife is from Newport Oregon, the NW is beautiful.

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 10, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Anybody spends time in Carolina becomes a BBQ hound.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 10, 2008 9:03 PM

sigh... I so miss BBQ in carolina. King's bbq in Kinston was amazing. Now I have Sonny's in Atlanta. It's like they found an animal that looks the same as a pig, cooks up like a pig, but tastes like what comes out of the wrong end of the pig!

Posted by: will_ga | September 10, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

The FO has gone from nothing but free agents to fully invested in the draft.

Maybe it is their egos.

Posted by: stumped | September 10, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm hungry, I want to eat pig.

Posted by: stumped | September 10, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

It's like they found an animal that looks the same as a pig, cooks up like a pig, but tastes like what comes out of the wrong end of the pig!

Posted by: will_ga | September 10, 2008 9:35 PM

My personal feeling about BBQ is that it's like sex: even when it's bad, it's great.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 10, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Will, That's an offal description of your food.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

This is from the Times:

You can debate whether Campbell would have been able to orchestrate that season-saving push. That it is worthy of debate reveals the uncertainty that envelops Campbell, who seemingly has the size, arm and temperament to be a first-rate quarterback.

But does he have that sense of assurance to make a play that is not self-evident, to spin away from a potential sack and complete a pass that sucks the life out of the opposition?

Eli Manning, who seemingly lacks Campbell's countenance and tools, made such a play in Super Bowl XLII, the improbable 32-yard completion to David Tyree's helmet that preserved the game-winning drive with 59 seconds left.


Sonny's isn't that bad, I like the sweet sauce best.

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 10, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Anybody spends time in Carolina becomes a BBQ hound.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 10, 2008 9:03 PM

sigh... I so miss BBQ in carolina. King's bbq in Kinston was amazing. Now I have Sonny's in Atlanta. It's like they found an animal that looks the same as a pig, cooks up like a pig, but tastes like what comes out of the wrong end of the pig!

Posted by: will_ga | September 10, 2008 9:35 PM

There's a great place in Savannah. I can't remember the name but it has a huge pink stone pig in the front. It may have the best mustard based bbq sauce in the world.
It's on Quacco Rd but I just can't think of the name. Anyway, not too close to Atlanta.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

"Sure Lisa, one glorious, magical animal."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

You know what's the difference between a pig and a hockey mom? BBQ sauce.

Posted by: SMACK | September 10, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Just to juxtapose current expectations with a different plan ...

If GG had been hired and Al Saunders continued with the offense, what would the expectations be?

Campbell played well in that offense, considering his 'playmaking' WRs were having bad seasons and the right side of the line was held together by band-aids.

Campbell would have been expected to continue to evolve along with the rest of the offense. Preseason would be focused on getting into game shape, timing, etc ... not on learning a new system.

There is a thought that many (most) had that Gibbs forced an overly conservative offense on Saunders, and that the offense would have been better with less Gibbs. I'm one who agrees with that.

On defense, Blache would be the DC and with the same group. The defense would have been expected to play at a high level, as in 2007.

In this scenario, the (reasonable) expectations would be playoffs and 10 or more wins.

After 1 week, is anyone expecting 10 wins/playoffs from this season??

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 10, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Touche SMACK!

Smack wins funniest post of the day.
Greg fork over some of those bonus points.

Posted by: stumped | September 10, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

al, zeke, etc
All true.
But there were too many cooks in the kitchen last year, and more that a few snouts were bend out of joint.

And if, wishes were pigs, than beggars would enjoy BBQ porcine fulfillment.

Posted by: stumped | September 10, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Al et all. I'm in total agreement with you about the expectations. Not seeing 10 wins this year. With the schedule we have, if we kept what we had going we could have had 10+. Not gonna happen now. Instead of going the road of building on what we have, we went the road of re building (although the FO can't seem to make up it's mind on this.)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

No. I'm hoping for .500 or better.

Transitions suck, don't you know.
And if I'm wrong and they do better....hey I'm happy.

Posted by: stumped | September 10, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Oh by the way, I'm not saying that rebuilding is a bad thing. It leads to an extended length of winning if done right. If we built with what we had/have, age would have kept that from happening (maybe). We just need to have the patience for rebuilding and call it what it is. It just seems like we have our feet stuck in both worlds right now so no one really knows what's going on and what's going to happen next.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Good one, Smack. Even when the 'Skins are in a two-game losing streak, you've still got it.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 10, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Very few teams admit that they are rebuilding because things can change from week to week with any team. Rebuilding is a hard pill to swallow because....well....Herm Edwards said it best...

"You Play to Win the Game"...and may I add not to rebuild.

Teams rebuild in basketball. In the NFL they look to win while rebuilding.

Posted by: sicwidit | September 10, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I think sicwidit had a pretty good summary. Let's hope for the best but be realistic - some serious headwinds at work here.

While I know many of this group like to decry Jasno for all his Skins bashing, I have to say this: when CHFF has Redskins as #24 team, ESPN as #23, USAtoday at #23, etc....let's be realistic here. This is a team that is trying to figure out a lot of new things.

My biggest concern is that JC doesn't get the confidence that he should have, and turns into PR. If that doesn't happen, I will be happy with 7-9 or 9-7 or whatever - no playoffs required.

Posted by: zornskins | September 10, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Also, what I meant to post before reading all of your comments: Any chance this guy is worth a flier? He is on waivers, and then maybe 4 week suspension or something. But clearly a great athlete in an area where every little bit helps...I prefer character guys but is this worth a shot?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3580135

Posted by: zornskins | September 10, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Yea sic, I'll buy that. Zornskins, I thought about that too. Could help but might be too big of a problem for a rookie HC.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

+++Cork, you keep saying the glass is 9/10 full or 3/4 full. I'm thinking that its a really really really large glass and the portion that you drank was really really really strong stuff ...

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 10, 2008 5:47 PM++++


Well my Doctor DID cut me down to ONE drink a day...

But seriously...

You're SO cynical. can't a fella show the LOVE for a great receiver, the legend in the making, Malcolm Kelly, without being doubted?

I mean people call me negative, and then when I go positive, they accuse me of imbibing.

Set your TIVO Sunday, Al, Zeke and especially YOU, etc.. You'll want to save this one for the kiddies. 8-10 balls. easy.

Posted by: Glass 99/100ths Full Corkczar | September 10, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

+++Amazing how crotchety blog peeps get when the Redskins lose.

Winning fixes everything.

Posted by: Chia Pet | September 10, 2008 7:04 PM+++

Nice analysis of the problem, Chia. You have definitely grabbed the bull by the tail and faced the situation.

Now, then, when you come up with a solution to the problem, give us all a holler, will ya?

Posted by: Corkczar, Crotchety Blog Peep | September 10, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Get TE out here and his love for Tryon and we can have a rookie love fest. I kid because I believe.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

EXCERPST from OFFICAL REDSKIN SITE:

To whoever was posting earlier that there aren’t enough positive posts here on RI…you want positive, Bunky? Go to the official Washington Redskins Blog for all the good news that fits to print.

Some excepts (not making ANY of this up)

“ CHRIS COOLEY IS FINE.”

“Devin Thomas looked both strong and enthusiastic today,”

“ Malcolm Kelly was participating fully, and he too impressed Coach Zorn. “Today was a great day for him,”

“And to complete the positive news on the second round draft picks, Zorn called today “the best day” for Fred Davis since training camp began.”

“THAT’S what football’s supposed to sound like,” shouted Fred Smoot”

“The whole first team defense looks aggressive and fast,

“Chad Rinehart was singled out for some impressive work”

“Byron Westbrook seemed to enjoy emulating Reggie Bush for the scout team plays, and did so with solid effectiveness”

Posted by: Corkczar, Crotchety Blog Peep | September 10, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Hope you're right cork.

I'd say okay to E Johnson, but...who do you cut to make room for the guy?

Safe to say he won't create a cap problem?

Posted by: stumped | September 10, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

+++As many people that cry for Vinny's head, no one criticizes Joe Gibbs. Many of these moves were under his watch and were his calls as VP of the team. I see this team headed in a completely different direction under Cerrato, but they have messed up so much in the past that it will take time to significantly upgrade talent.---SICWIDIT EARLIER


+++but after some bad years we went to the playoffs two of four years with one win.+++SICWIDIT LATER


One second Sic. Hopw can you say Gibbs was to blame for the teams problems, then turn around and say the team is pretty good because under Gibbs they went to the playoffs two out of four years.

TWO POINTS: Gibbs succeeded with a good GM, Bobby Betherd.

He failed with a bad one, a hybrid of himself and Cerrato. We'll never klnow if Gibbs wanted control becase he knew full well Cerrato didn't know what he was doing, or out of Ego. But it was a mtstake.

SECOND POINT: Cerrato was a bad "GM" in the years Gibbs wasn't here too.


T

Posted by: Corkczar, Crotchety Blog Peep | September 10, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Cork,
How can you call out Chia Pet right after your 10:31 PM? Re-read them.

(Of course, I'd be crochety as He ll if I was on a 1 drink/day diet)

Don't envy me, tonight it's 2 buck chuck.

Posted by: stumped | September 10, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

You know what's the difference between a pig and a hockey mom? BBQ sauce.

Smack, does that mean if she dabs a little behind her ears, you'll eat her too?

Posted by: cload & daggar | September 10, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Betherd is the difference.

Posted by: stumped | September 10, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

I must say this afternoon things have settled back down up here.

The exchange has been downright civil.

Posted by: stumped | September 10, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

whos tossin salad?

Posted by: cc | September 10, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

I definately agree Stumped. Things have become alot better this afternoon/evening. At least now when we're making fun of others, it's all in good fun (except stupid sports guru), compared to before where it was bordering on hateful.

Posted by: Karen | September 10, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

The nutjobs hit the blog hard before and after games.

I think the chicken littles persist a little long after a loss.

Posted by: stumped | September 10, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Al, Zeke, etc,

I agree with your post completely about what would have happened if Williams was head coach and Saunders was still here. We would have had a few holes to fill instead of many. The draft would not have been so stupid. Campbell would be familiar with the offense. We could realistically have a back up qb familiar with the system. We would of had a fair chance of making the playoffs this year. Now this team will spend about two years refocusing on a new offense and hoping that the defense wins games. I am sure that the Giants, Cowboys and Eagles are very very happy with the new plan that Cerrato has put in place for this season.

Posted by: Dale | September 10, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

We need Shane Falco!

Someone mentioned Diron Talbert earlier, so I get to fill everyone in on the "where are they now" front.

Diron runs a gas station/convenience store in Rosenberg, TX (about 30 miles south of Houston) It's one block away from my kid's high school. Does great business, and Diron's there most days. Much Redskin memorabilia from the 70's. He's a good guy, always has time to spare a few words for a customer.

Posted by: John D in Houston | September 10, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Weird Al was the problem, not the solution. Were he still here, Receiver, The would still be lurking about, with his elite fingertips.

Posted by: cload & daggar | September 10, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

I always thought that when Weird Al was praising Lloyd's hands, he didn't mean as a receiver, but that he should be a hands model.

Posted by: kost52 | September 11, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Houston,
I remember Diron T.

Too cool.

Posted by: stumped | September 11, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

bbq rulz
losing to saints would drool

Posted by: chrIS lArry | September 11, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Here's my 'favourite' stat from last week.

Punt Returns NO AVG TD LG
A. Randle El 1 -2 0 -2

Posted by: kost52 | September 11, 2008 1:35 AM | Report abuse

sign that DT that the colts just cut!...youth we must have in the trenches...old and tired we are upfront!

Posted by: alohayoda1 | September 11, 2008 4:44 AM | Report abuse

I grow weary of hearing how JC needs 'time' to learn the offense, how he has had to learn 7 different offensive systems in as many years, how, if we just give him time, patience, nurturing and a cuddle, etc., he will become a top flight QB. The great ones are better-than-average their first years, and the better than average ones are at least average. Campbell may ascend to the middle of the pack, but I think he has already proven he will never be more than an MOR quarterback. He lacks the ability to see the whole field and choose the right receiver. He is too quick to lock onto the safety valve, especially on 3rd and long, lacking the vision, enterprise and competitive drive to seek high-risk/reward downfield. Like Ramsey, he doesn't have the peripheral vision to avoid rushers and know when to get rid of the ball to avoid a sack/fumble, and lacks finesse in the short game, which is crucial to the WCO. While it is too early to call him a bust, it is also too late late for excuses. This is your time Campbell, step up.

Ed Johnson available: http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2008/09/10/colts-cut-ed-johnson-hours-after-pot-arrest/

Posted by: KGrevey | September 11, 2008 4:58 AM | Report abuse

Probably posted yesterday, but bears repeating:

‘SKINS THRILLED TO HEAR COLSTON IS OUT
Posted by Mike Florio on September 10, 2008, 2:21 p.m.
As it turns out, that whole injury schadenfreude thing applies not only to NFL fans but also to NFL teams.

Per a league source, the Washington Redskins were “doing handstands and somersaults” in response to the news that Saints receiver Marques Colston will miss Sunday’s game between the two teams.

As we hear it, the Redskins think that having Colston out of play will make it much easier to control tight end Jeremy Shockey and running back Reggie Bush.

We’re also told that the four-to-six-week estimate on Colston’s thumb injury is a bit optimistic, and that he’ll be out closer to six weeks. He suffered the injury during the third quarter of Sunday’s game against the Bucs, but continued to play.
----------------------------------

Is JLC leaking stuff to PFT?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 11, 2008 6:11 AM | Report abuse

Boo September 11th...

Hooray Redskins!


Posted by: Zebra | September 11, 2008 6:17 AM | Report abuse

Oh and Jla,

Does your opinion of Bob Bradley change now? T&T didnt look like a national team.

It would be just like saying the Eagles are going to the SB or the Ravens will make the playoffs based upon one game... oh wait....

Posted by: Zebra | September 11, 2008 6:18 AM | Report abuse

Cooley's take on his quad injury:

I had a minor quad strain in practice this morning. It wasn't a pull, it really wasn't a big deal. There was just a little bit of tightness in the middle of my leg and the training staff and I felt that there was no reason to risk practicing full speed today. There is still a full range of motion in my leg and as of tonight very minimal soreness. If I had to play right now I definitely could. I will rest tonight and plan on making it out to practice tomorrow.

The major disappointment of the day was that I broke a five year streak of never missing a practice. What's worse, it wasn't even a game injury. Needless to say, I'll be in early tomorrow getting better. Stupid quad!

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 11, 2008 6:46 AM | Report abuse

KGrevey;

I agree JC needs to step up. But I take issue with your point 'The great ones are better-than-average their first years, and the better than average ones are at least average'

I want to know which QB in their first years were better than average? What type of offense were they in? I would say anything pre manning cannot be used for comparison, and P Manning is the only one I can see as close to that description.

Look at QB's like Garrard who wallowed on the bench, but it was the same system every year. Hasselbeck in the same complicated offense. 3 years it took him after 4 in GB. McNabb? Romo?

And I argue that we cannot even say JC is not going to be able to do it this year, and that his vision is lacking etc... It has been one game in a new offense. I will reserve judgment otherwise I would be pulling my hair out with worry.

Lets just see where this goes...

Posted by: Zebra | September 11, 2008 7:12 AM | Report abuse

Just to juxtapose current expectations with a different plan ...

If GG had been hired and Al Saunders continued with the offense, what would the expectations be?

Campbell played well in that offense, considering his 'playmaking' WRs were having bad seasons and the right side of the line was held together by band-aids.

Campbell would have been expected to continue to evolve along with the rest of the offense. Preseason would be focused on getting into game shape, timing, etc ... not on learning a new system.

There is a thought that many (most) had that Gibbs forced an overly conservative offense on Saunders, and that the offense would have been better with less Gibbs. I'm one who agrees with that.

On defense, Blache would be the DC and with the same group. The defense would have been expected to play at a high level, as in 2007.

In this scenario, the (reasonable) expectations would be playoffs and 10 or more wins.

After 1 week, is anyone expecting 10 wins/playoffs from this season??

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 10, 2008 9:55 PM

Al,

You like living in fantasy land dont you.

If GG and Al had stayed which would not have happend even if GG got the job Al was gone, Collins would be the starting QB not JC.

Posted by: Flounder | September 11, 2008 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Agreed, Zebra. We're looking for improvement, not perfection. Folks expecting McNabb or Brady performances were setting themselves up for disappointment anyway. Yeah, JC didn't move the ball very well for the most part and basically set himself up to be sacked a lot, but he took care of the ball (something he didn't do last year) and moved the ball better as the game wore on. I think he'll do better this week, and that's all we can ask for--improvement.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 11, 2008 7:22 AM | Report abuse

Brown,

Agreed I think JC will be fine, we need the O-Line to step up or start getting replaced, by the younger guys. When that second O-Line was in there granted they were going against second teamers they played with fire and heart. I have not seen the starting O-Line play that way yet.

I know some will say that it is the coaches fault, because they are not getting the guys fired up, but if you hear any of the former players talk they all say the same thing if you need a coach to get you up for a big game then you should be bagging groceries somewhere.

Posted by: Flounder | September 11, 2008 7:26 AM | Report abuse

Cooley injured his quad servicing his wife.
If your offense doesnt have your Offense down Coach Zorn why not simplify so the team has a chance to look good? It is your ego. Now lets think with are bigger brain and stop drooling over Lindsay Czarniak!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Also brownwood;

When everyone wanted GG, it was for stability. When we went with Zorn, everyone expected growing pains.

Then the first 2 game of the preseason and like the hamsters we are, we got all giddy for an 'out of the gate' great team.

Now we have come back down to reality and so should our expectations, and patience.

Posted by: Zebra | September 11, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

If GG and Al had stayed which would not have happend even if GG got the job Al was gone, Collins would be the starting QB not JC.

Posted by: Flounder | September 11, 2008 7:20 AM

I hope our FO isn't that foolish. Gregggg Williams said he would keep Saunders as OC if hired as HC (it was a couple years ago, though) and I have a hard time believing that Jerry Gray wouldn't have been the DC (he was Gregg's DC in Buffalo, and a pretty good one). If you're keeping a staff together for continuity's sake, shouldn't there be some--I don't know--continuity?

I definitely think expectations would be higher if that staff were in place because there would be no excuses. Saunders would have the handcuffs off and could run his offense like he wants to, and the defense would be fully intact.

But that's neither here nor there--as much as I continue to pine for what could have been with Russ Grimm, we've got Zorn and we need to hope for the best with him.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 11, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Despite the idiotic delivery, that Anon is on to something...remember Gibbs 1.0 when they start 0-5? Gibbs was running that Air Coryell stuff and it wasn't working. So he made changes to his offense to cater it to his personnel and not the other way around. The result? 8-3 the rest of the way and Super Bowl the next year. I'm not booking tickets for Super Bowl XLIV or anything, but I think Zorn should be worried less about fitting JC or anyone else into the WCO and more worried about running what his players do best.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 11, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Here's a stupid idea but one I'll propose anyhow. Put Jansen in on running plays and keep Heyer in for passing. Or let them alternate series or something. CP is going to have to be Barry Sanders to get this running game going if he keeps getting met in the backfield.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 11, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

As for the earlier points of how fantastic Desean Jackson and Eddie Royal were as 2nd round WRs in theire first game; they're listed as 6'0" and 5'10" respectively. I'm sure that would have satisfied the blog.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 11, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Here's a stupid idea but one I'll propose anyhow. Put Jansen in on running plays and keep Heyer in for passing. Or let them alternate series or something. CP is going to have to be Barry Sanders to get this running game going if he keeps getting met in the backfield.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 11, 2008 7:57 AM

Works great on Madden, but in real life you're basically telling the defense what you're about to do. Kinda like what Gibbs did when he had Thrash in the game (it usually meant run because he's their best blocking receiver). I don't know about you, but I don't trust this team to excute well enough to essentially TELL the other team what they're doing.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 11, 2008 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Despite the idiotic delivery, that Anon is on to something...remember Gibbs 1.0 when they start 0-5? Gibbs was running that Air Coryell stuff and it wasn't working. So he made changes to his offense to cater it to his personnel and not the other way around. The result? 8-3 the rest of the way and Super Bowl the next year. I'm not booking tickets for Super Bowl XLIV or anything, but I think Zorn should be worried less about fitting JC or anyone else into the WCO and more worried about running what his players do best.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 11, 2008 7:49 AM

True, and at that time who knew Gibbs would be the guy he is. But for a first year coach who has never even called plays, he may have to stay in his comfort zone.

Posted by: Zebra | September 11, 2008 8:05 AM | Report abuse

As for the earlier points of how fantastic Desean Jackson and Eddie Royal were as 2nd round WRs in theire first game; they're listed as 6'0" and 5'10" respectively. I'm sure that would have satisfied the blog.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 11, 2008 8:01 AM

Vinny's taint would be on a pitchfork!

Seriously, I don't know where all the "big receiver" stuff came from, but you alleviate that need a lot by having a pass catching TE, which we do. It's all about having a big target in the red zone. So while I definitely take Devin Thomas in the 2nd round, I wouldn't have overdone it with the other two pass catchers.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 11, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Brown,

I'm with you, I don't trust this offense the execute any play. I know they wouldn't do it but there has to be a solution to get the ground game going. Perhaps they're not as bad as they look and simply got out muscled last week. Not too sure about that.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 11, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

True, and at that time who knew Gibbs would be the guy he is. But for a first year coach who has never even called plays, he may have to stay in his comfort zone.

Posted by: Zebra | September 11, 2008 8:05 AM

I hear you Zebra, but we're not asking the guy to coach the defense. He's still running the offense, just tinker with what you do to help your guys succeed. Run more shotgun, more 7 step drops, more power running. That's what this team is built to do. And as time goes on and the team adds more pieces that fit into the WCO mold (unless of course Vinny decides to dedicate next year's draft to just picking cornerbacks), he can shift more to the 3 step drops and stretch plays that are staples of the WCO. Just a thought...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 11, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Ben, the Saints aren't patsies on D, but I think we can take 'em. If the line can hold up, those DBs are begging to get torched. I think JC and Company could get on track against these guys if they take care of the ball and get Cooley involved.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 11, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Here is a definition of the West Coast Offense (WCO):

"The popular term "West Coast Offense" is more of a philosophy and an approach to the game than it is a set of plays or formations. Traditional offensive thinking argues that a team must establish its running game first, which will draw the defense in and open up vertical passing lanes downfield (i.e., passing lanes that run perpendicular to the line of scrimmage).

Bill Walsh's West Coast Offense, however, differs from traditional offense by instead emphasizing a short, horizontal passing attack to help stretch the defense out, thus opening up running lanes. The West Coast Offense as implemented under Walsh features precisely run pass patterns by the receivers that make up about 65% to 80% of the offensive scheme. With the defense stretched out, the offense is then free to focus the remaining plays on longer throws (more than 14 yards) and mid to long yard rushes."

Now the Redskins are talking about using the shotgun and Mr. La Canfora is talking about establishing the run first and foremost.

Posted by: RTGreenwood | September 11, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Ok, Judge Judy, Smack, who else is getting a bonus points check...??

Good to hear about Kelly practicing, I'm really hoping for a good showing this weekend.

Posted by: Greg | September 11, 2008 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Now the Redskins are talking about using the shotgun and Mr. La Canfora is talking about establishing the run first and foremost.

Posted by: RTGreenwood | September 11, 2008 8:24 AM

Maybe Zorn has realized that he needs to play to the strebgths of his players until a) they are able to run the offense he likes or b) he gets the players he needs to run the offense he likes. It's probably a combination.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 11, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

John Lynch was just cut by the Patriots recently, why don't we pick him up on the cheap?

He has to be a good compliment to Doughty?? No???

Posted by: DTC | September 11, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Good to hear about Kelly practicing, I'm really hoping for a good showing this weekend.

Posted by: Greg | September 11, 2008 8:29 AM

Step 1 is getting him on the field. I'll worry about his performance once he's healthy and knows what he's doing.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 11, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

brown, from the Times:

Zorn praised rookie tight end Fred Davis, who got most of the snaps in Cooley's place.

"I don't think Fred had a better day all of training camp than he did today both on our [scout] team and getting legit reps because Cooley was out," he said. "I would love to see him put those things back to back to back because that was a very good performance."


"He ran a route today, and I saw his long arms come out and snatch the ball, and he looked pretty good," Zorn said. "He doesn't want anybody talking about his legs. He's going to start working hard. It may take him a little time to get comfortable with everything he's doing."

Kelly reported no pain after practice and said he wasn't hesitant in any of his route running.

Zorn said it's too early to decide whether Kelly will be active Sunday, but he was impressed with how well the rookie knew his assignments

It's not just about how good he feels," Zorn said. "The thing I noticed is he did a nice job of paying attention all the time he's been down because he didn't make many mistakes. Those are the things I would be questioning - whether he could do the right thing - and he did today, and he has to continue doing it."

Sorry about the positive post to those whom it offends...

Posted by: Greg | September 11, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

This is from ESPN page 2 thought it was funny:

DETROIT
When he was hired in 2006, coach Rod Marinelli promised to instill "football character" in the Lions. Actually what he meant to say was "football caricature." After getting embarrassed (if that's still possible for this franchise) by the rebuilt Falcons (4-12 in 2007), the Motor City Kitties are now 10-23 under Marinelli, 3-14 on the road and 1-8 in their last nine games. WGMIH (worst GM in history, pronounced Wigmee) Matt Millen kept 11 defensive linemen and two running backs so, naturally, the Lions gave up 318 yards rushing, a new Atlanta record, and new back Rudi Johnson gained all of 14 yards. How is it that my 7-year-old nephew, Drewbert (who celebrates his b-day tomorrow), understands better than Millen that you can't run a power attack with players left over from the Greatest Show on Turf? My friends back home are real Lions fans and they're rooting for 0-16 because they think that's the only way Millen gets fired. If that's what your die-hard fans are praying for after Week 1, wow, it's time to JUMP UP AND DOWN ON THE PANIC BUTTON.

Posted by: Flounder | September 11, 2008 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Conference Call: Sean Payton
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Sean Payton held a conference call today with the media in regards to the Saints' upcoming game against the Redskins. Here is a transcript:

Opening Statement:

“Let’s go through the roster: Hollis Thomas, with his triceps, we placed on injured reserve; we brought Matt Lehr back to the active roster. This morning we waived tight end Billy Miller and signed defensive tackle Alvin McKinley, and then signed David Roach to the practice squad; we had one spot there left from last week. In regards to injuries, Roman Harper – right hamstring – did not practice, Randall Gay – illness, he had the flu – did not practice, Scott Fujita – right knee – did not practice, Marques Colston – left thumb – did not practice, Antwan Lake – left groin – did not practice, Troy Evans – ankle – he was full, Aaron Stecker – hamstring – he was full, Mark Simoneau – back – he was full, Brian Young – knee – he was full, Deuce McAllister – knee – he was full, Mike McKenzie – knee – he was full.”

What happened to Marques Colston?

“He has a left thumb that he had a procedure done on yesterday. It’s a ligament in his left thumb and basically the surgery was to stabilize the thumb. It’s going to take some time. He had that done yesterday. It’s going to take him a while, a few weeks. By week’s end, he’ll be listed as out in this game. The surgery allows him to stabilize it. He had it done before with his right hand back in college, and weighing the options, it was definitely the best option for us and for Marques to get this done now and get it repaired the right way.”

Do you think he’ll be out about six weeks?

“It’s hard to say; four-to-six weeks, we’ll see. He’s going to be in cast, though, for close to a month.”

How much of a blow is that to the offense?

“We have to continue to work these other guys in. We’re going to lose players and each team in the league is losing them. That’s part of the game and it’s the hard part of the game, but we’ll have to continue and be able to function. We’ll go from there.”

Why the decision to put Hollis Thomas on IR now as opposed to when the injury occurred?

“It was really (Antwan) Lake’s injury. He has a groin and we were hoping to keep (Hollis) alive, but we’re banged up a little bit there and it really came down to having to get another body in here. That was the hard part about it.”

Was that a tough conversation with Hollis?

“Yes. With last week’s final roster, we talked about the options as a club and for him and we got thin there and now he just has to rehab and get better and we have to move on.”

How tough was it to let Billy Miller go?

“He’s a guy that has been real productive. Again, we’re jiggling with the roster a little bit. That’s the hard part, especially this time of the year. He has done a lot for us and has been a valuable player for us. We’ll see where it takes us this week, but that’s really where we’re at.”

With Colston out, how confident are you that Robert Meachem is ready to come in and contribute?

“We’ll see as we get to the week’s end how much that’s going to affect him. There are other veteran players that understand what we’re doing – David Patten, Lance Moore, Terrance Copper – those guys have all had plenty of reps and it’s going to be important for Robert to be ready within the game plan. It will be an opportunity for all those guys to get more playing time. It affects Robert Meachem as well. That’s something that we’re going to have a chance to see.”

Is Jeremy Shockey the kind of player that can do some of the things that Marques does?

“When you look at the touches and you look at plays and down-and-distances and field zones, he’s a guy that we need to get the ball to continually because he can make plays for us. You have to pick up the slack. Two years ago we lost Marques for not quite the same length of time and we had Joe Horn out for several weeks. Each year that happens and you just don’t know what position it’s going to happen at. We have to move on.”

Who is directly behind Colston on the depth chart?

“David Patten is the guy that plays the ‘X’ behind him. How we’ll play in base, we’ll see on Sunday.”

Reggie Bush said Sunday that the big plays are nice but he’s trying to be patient and focus on maximizing play after play. Do you see him getting more patient?

“In the running game we did the other day. I was pleased with some of the gains of four and the gains of six; he did a great job with some of the checkdown routes that turned into bigger plays, but you definitely saw that in the run game. I was pleased. I thought he played very well.”

Looking at the film of Tracy Porter, how did he play?

“I thought he handled things well. What you saw live and what we saw, it wasn’t perfect. There was some missed tackling that we have to get cleaned up on defense, but overall we played with pretty good effort and we flew around. I thought we did a good job of containing them in what they tried to do on offense and really held them to 13 points.”

When you looked at Randall Gay in the offseason, was his versatility one of the things that stood out?

“I think that was one of his strong suits. You knew that he was an intelligent player and that he had played both outside and inside and also at safety for New England. Bill (Belichick) felt like he had a player that was versatile and certainly we feel the same way.”

What impressed you about Jonathan Vilma’s game after seeing the film?

“I thought he communicated and got the defense in and out. We did a good job with getting the calls right and I thought he tackled well. He’s now going 100% and he has asserted himself as a leader in the huddle and did a good job. That was a good start for him.”

When your defense is playing as well as they did last week, how does that affect your play-calling?

“It can change. The last series of the game we were somewhat conservative, but we had a little bit of a clock advantage with Tampa having run out of timeouts. I said this before, knowing how we were playing defensively, it was easier to hand the ball off three times and then take the clock down as long as we could and call a timeout before we punted the ball on fourth down and put our defense back on the field. It’s going to take all three phases to win games. There is a lot that we have to clean up after this past game, though. We have to do a better job with the penalties. In the kick return game, we had one long return called back because of a penalty. We had a stretch there where between the special teams and the offense, we had six penalties in one quarter. We had some leaky yardage in regards to our tackling. On some running plays there were some bigger gains than we would have liked. So there’s a lot we have to work on.”

What have you seen so far from Washington’s offense?

“They’re talented. You start with the receiving corps, the quarterback has a strong arm, they have a veteran offensive line. They have an outstanding running back and one of the best tight ends, a Pro Bowl tight end in our league. When you look at every position, they’re going to be a handful. They have great weapons. The quarterback is going to be a handful. As someone who is poised now and has reps under his belt, we have a lot of respect what we’re going to see. This group took it to us two years ago at home and it’s really talented. On their offense, they have a number of weapons that you have to defend which makes it very difficult.”

Do you feel like you’re seeing the type of improvement you expected from your defensive line?

“I think we had good pressure in that first week. I felt that we hurried the passer and we got to him. We have a rotation going – we’re banged up a little bit inside and that’s challenging – but I thought the first week was good. I thought Charles (Grant) and Will (Smith) did a good job outside and Bobby McCray came up with a sack. It was noticeably different.”

Is it easier for Grant and Smith to get out there and produce because they have McCray that can come in and replace them?

“It helps keep them rested and that’s important in a rotation. That’s one of the pluses.”

What do you see in Washington’s defense?

“They’re physical. They’re big. They run to the ball well. You’ve seen them in the New York Giants game and even in the preseason games mixing up the fronts and coverages; they do a good job of that. London Fletcher inside is someone that flows to the ball real well. I think they’re very talented on the back end and they’re strong up front. It’s a good group and it will be a group that challenges us quite a bit. They play in a very good division; a physical division and that’s the type of football that they’re used to playing. We have our work cut out for us in this game and we have a lot of things that we have to do ourselves just to clean up and get better before we even head out there.”


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Posted by: You know who | September 11, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Flounder, that some Page 2 article has the Skins as not pressing the panic button yet. Apparently they haven't read RI...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 11, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for posting that 'you'....

Good read...

Posted by: Greg | September 11, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Conference Calls: Jim Zorn and Jason Taylor
Site Staff
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Jim Zorn and Jason Taylor held conference calls with the New Orleans media. Here are the transcripts.

Washington Redskins Coach Jim Zorn

Q: Can you discuss personally what this whole transition has been for you in going from quarterbacks
coach to offensive coordinator to head coach?
A: Personally, I haven’t taken a lot of time to think about it lately just going through training camp and now we’re
in our regular season. If I reflect back on when everything happened. I guess it was just normal excitement about
having a new start, having the opportunity to run the program that I’ve been preparing for. Those are probably the
key issues. I haven’t sat back and gone on vacation to think about all that it’s entailed.
Q: Are there any challenges that have come along that you didn’t expect at this point?
A: Probably the things I didn’t expect, one is how much people up here want to know about ht Redskins and want
to know everyday. They’re really ready to get into some Redskin information. It think it’s exciting for the fans, it’s
a great program and it’s a great place to coach football and play football, no question about it. The second thing I
would like to say is how much real life goes on in an entire program. With being a quarterbacks coach or an
offensive coordinator you have a portion of the team, but when you’re the head coach you’re with the team and
their families and the coaches and their families and the administration and their families, there’s a lot of real life
going on and I’m talking about celebrations of births, marriages, all kinds of exciting things happening and then
those tragedies like deaths, just very difficult things to have to deal with. I think those are probably the things that
I’ve been most surprised about and have maybe been the biggest adjustments for me.
Q: What do you think of Drew Brees and how he manages the game and the Saints offense in general?
A: I was so impressed even when he was in San Diego, because there was a time in San Diego where he was
really struggling as he was first starting out and from one offseason to the next all of a sudden he just became
one of the premier quarterbacks in this league. He certainly hasn’t dropped off and he’s just been a tremendous
player. I think he does a great job like all the good quarterbacks of being able to try to figure out what he’s looking
at and try to get the ball away to that guy or that area, or you’re going to come down to a secondary receiver and
those things are so important for a team’s success and he does them all. He makes the offense work.
Q: How impressed were you with how they played the other day against Tampa Bay?
A: I’m very impressed. One of the things that is so impressive is that a lot of it has to do with Sean Payton and
his ability to move the ball around, to get his people involved, the guys that are really the strengths of the team,
Reggie Bush, getting him the ball. You don’t have to throw the ball that far down the field to have a big play with
Reggie. Those kinds of things, I think the mix has really been important to these guys on offense.
Q: What do you take away from criticism of the result of your first game?
A: I think it was our start. What I said going into it, was that we didn’t play our starters very much. We had five
preseason games. We had to see a lot of people. What I said was this was a great opportunity to see where
we’re at. We competed hard, our defense played very well. Our special teams played very well and we fell down
in being able to maintain ball control on offense and that’s what hurt us. We had an opportunity to kind of see
where we’re at and now improve there.
Q: What difference do you see in the Saints defensive line on Sunday as opposed to last year?
A: Those guys are so active. They really play hard the whole game. I haven’t really seen them take plays off.
They’re excited about playing. I don’t remember them so much last year although we played them in Seattle. The
thing that I look at them this year and see is that the defensive front line is playing very well as a group. Even
though one guy might get free, the other guys have worked very hard to get him free and that’s been pretty
impressive.
Q: When you see some of their incumbent defensive ends and add in Bobby McCray do you get worried
about Jason Campbell?
A: I think pressure it doesn’t matter who it’s coming from, if it’s coming from Charles (Grant) or Will (Smith). It
could come from any team really. Pressure on quarterbacks takes its toll. I think Jason does a pretty good job of
trying to concentrate through the difficult times and even last week, I was on him about a couple of things early.
He did not shy away. He just keeps competing. That was pretty impressive. We haven’t had him play a whole
game with pressure the whole game long, so I don’t know how he’s going to respond. He’s played a little bit with
some of the pressure, but I’ve taken him out.

Washington Redskins DE Jason Taylor

Q: This was a tough, rough week coming off of the Giants game. Where do you guys stand coming off of
that?
A: We’re disappointed we lost the game, but we really didn’t play well enough to win. We gave up 16 points and
played much better in the second half defensively obviously and kept them out of the end zone. We didn’t make
enough big plays offensively to score any points and that’s something we need to correct. You are disappointed
in that happening, but it is one week, but this week is another opportunity for us in our own backyard.
Q: How much do you think the questioned availability of Marques Colston would change the way they go
at you?
A: It won’t change the way we approach the game. It may change the way they attack us. When you have an
offensive line like the Saints do and the running backs that they do, I think your number one priority is to run the
football. Losing Colston is huge. We all know what kind of player he is and the things he can do with the football.
It’s a tough blow for the Saints. It seems like this week some other teams have had to deal with some different
injuries and it’s been kind of crazy.
Q: What are your impressions of Jim Zorn?
A: I think he’s done a good job. We’re only one week into it. As you go through time with wins and losses and
some of the adversity you face during the season, you learn more and more about each other, he about the
players and us about him as a coach. I think so far he’s done a great job. He’s rallied the guys. I know guys
believe in him and trust him. He’s a very straightforward, frank kind of guy. He’s not a big yeller and screamer. He
treats you like men and I think guys respect that.
Q: Is it still a period of transition for this team?
A: I think so. It’s a new coach. It’s a new offense again for Jason Campbell. There are a lot of players that were
here last year and I’m obviously new to the team and trying to find my way with the organization and in a new
locker room, but I think every team goes through that. I think teams with new head coaches do so more than
others, but everybody at this point early in the season is going through those growing pains and learning what
team they’re going to be with in that particular season.
Q: Is Drew Brees one of the toughest quarterbacks to put pressure on and force into bad throws?
A: He is. I think he was the last sacked quarterback in the league last year if I was not mistaken and he’s that
kind of guy. When I was in Miami, we had a chance to get him twice and didn’t get him and always wanted him.
He’s one heck of a quarterback.
Q: What is it against a quarterback like that that you can hope to do?
A: You still play your game, try to pressure them. Pressuring the quarterback comes down a couple things. It’s
the guys up front playing hard, applying the pressure. It’s the secondary and linebackers covering too. When you
get all 11 guys defensively working together and doing the right thing, you can pressure the quarterback. Drew’s
got a bunch of weapons. He can dump the ball to (Jeremy) Shockey, their tight end. Losing number 12 hurts,
their best receiver, but they still have plenty of places to throw the football and take the pressure off of him.
Q: How do you contain a guy like Reggie Bush and is it even the responsibility of a guy like you?
A: Absolutely. He’s one of those guys where when he comes to the field, everybody knows he’s on the field. You
better know where Reggie is. He’s a dynamic talent that can break the game open quickly, whether it’s running
the football or catching a screen, taking it to the house or going out on a pass route. He’s one of those guys who I
know is looking forward to having a big year this year. He’s talked about the pressure on him to step up and
perform better. Watching the tape of that last week against the Buccaneers, he’s something else. He’s quick, he’s
fast, he’ll test the edge on defensive ends and linebackers and even of corners.
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Q: Do you have any advice for Kim Kardashian on Dancing with the Stars?
A: I think she’ll do great. I think everybody will be excited to see her on there. She’ll have a good time with it.
She’s done reality TV, so she’ll be fine in that whole atmosphere. It will be entertaining for sure. That whole cast
will be entertaining. They have Kim Kardashian and Warren Sapp. For all of them it will be a pretty good time.
Q: The Saints defensive line has added some people this year. What is the reputation of guys like
Charles Grant and Will Smith as well as Bobby McCray? Are they seen as a threat throughout the
league?
A: Yes. Certain guys catch the headlines and get more publicity than others. Other guys just bring their hard hat
and lunch pail to work and chip away at it. Everybody in this league is a threat. You wouldn’t be in this league if
you didn’t have talent. There’s some guys like you mentioned that should probably get more recognition than
they do, but for whatever reason, it doesn’t work out that way. They all are very good players. We do watch them
and we do respect them.
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Posted by: You know who | September 11, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Brown,

Yeah, I did not post the Skins article because we already have enough people jumping up and down on the panick button.

Posted by: Flounder | September 11, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

"The worst two teams i saw this weekend were Oakland and the Skins, they embarassed themselves."

Also, I'm a traitor to the skins and like little girls. That's why I date Greeny.

Posted by: Mark Schlereth on Mike and Mike this morning. | September 11, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

And if we don't run the ball effectively...IT'S ALL THE FRONT OFFICE'S FAULT!?!?!?!?

Posted by: JLa | September 11, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Mark Schlereth is another sour grapes ex-Skin who routinely finds ways to diss the Skins. He joins the ranks of Brian Mitchell, LaVar Arrington, JLa and us!

Posted by: Virtually all RI posters | September 11, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I see that we are basically on a four year plan here, so be patient. Here is Cerrato's thinking:
1) First year. Blow apart existing offense. Hire a qb coach to "fix" existing qb. Promote new qb coach to become head coach. New qb coach must now invent entirely new offensive scheme. Zorn meets Campbell, tells him to get his butt lower and thinks that the problem is solved. Fixate on drafting tall receivers. Dedicate 16 regular season games to learn new system.

2) Year 2. System still not implemented successfully, possible qb problem (as in not making his reads on time) for a WCO. Use high first place draft pick (because of 4-12 record) to pick another qb who is small, fast and scrambles well. Use fifth round pick to rebuild offensive line. Increase medical staff for remaining offensive and defensive linemen. Brennan is still thought of as a "project" by Zorn despite completing 80% of fourth quarter preseason passes. Use remaining draft picks on punters and sub 5-10 inch cornerbacks. Portis' contract renewed for 5 more years.

3) Year 3. The fact that no Skins qb has been able to start two consecutive games without getting mauled results in Zorn implementing the "personal blocker" offensive scheme in which large round 300 pound running backs are used in the backfield as bodyguards. Top two picks are used on Ron Dane look alikes. Fourth round pick used to rebuild the offensive line. Long snapper is used on 100% of offensive plays to a deep shotgun qb. Campbell expresses confidence in having the time to read now. Snyder praises the "vision" of Cerrato.

4) Year 4. Campbell tries out for the long snapper center position and finds himself most comfortable there. Brennan now the starting qb. The qb drafted in the second year is traded to the Patriots for a sixth round pick. The top 3 picks are used on tight ends. Snyder praises Cerrato's "truly unique vision". Heyer, Fabini, Jansen are given 3 year contract extensions.

Posted by: Dale | September 10, 2008 6:28 PM

Posted by: Dale | September 10, 2008 6:49 PM

Funny Stuff! You left out the part that 4 years from now the Redskins will send 2 first round picks to the New York Jets for Brett Fauve and sign him to a record 10 year contract!

Posted by: Hilarious! | September 11, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

A little tidbit for talent evaluator

No. 2 on Forbes List


The Redskins are the second-most valuable franchise in the NFL, according to the latest rankings by Forbes. Owner Daniel Snyder's franchise is worth $1.53 billion, behind the Dallas Cowboys, who are valued at $1.61 billion.

Snyder purchased the team and its stadium for $800 million in 1999.

Nearly a 100% return on 800 million. Kinda makes the Six Flags tiny portion of Dan Snyder's portfolio seem a bit irrelevant, huh?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

And if we don't run the ball effectively...IT'S ALL THE FRONT OFFICE'S FAULT!?!?!?!?

Posted by: JLa | September 11, 2008 9:16 AM

No why would it be their fault? It would be the coaches fault or the RB's.

Have you ever heard the term "The Buck Stops Here"? If you pick the players and the coaches and they don't succeed who's fault do you think that is?

EVERYTHING is the Front Offices fault cause Danny makes the calls. It's called being the final say.

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

EVERYTHING is the Front Offices fault cause Danny makes the calls. It's called being the final say.

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2008 9:25 AM

Skins,

Disagree, Gibbs made the calls not Danny, of the players that are here now the majority of them were Gibbs calls.

If you think Danny had final say over Gibbs you do not know much about Gibbs, Gibss has always wanted that power even in the first go around he and Beatherd were having problems and he wanted Beatherd out.

Posted by: Flounder | September 11, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Nearly a 100% return on 800 million. Kinda makes the Six Flags tiny portion of Dan Snyder's portfolio seem a bit irrelevant, huh?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 9:22 AM

The Six Flags deal was worth over a billion dollars and it's lost over 60% of its worth had to sell 7 of 30 locations for pennies on the dollar and is currently getting sued. So to answer your question No, No it doesn't make it seem irrelevant.

Posted by: No | September 11, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Dale, you also forgot to mention that by year 4, Sneratto gets its wish and finally signs Chad Johnson throwing him a $25 mill signing bonus.

Posted by: p1funk | September 11, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

EVERYTHING is the Front Offices fault cause Danny makes the calls. It's called being the final say.

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2008 9:25 AM

That's what I've been saying.

Posted by: JLa | September 11, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Flounder who hired Gibbs? When you are the CEO/Owner or whomever is in control then you are always responsible. That's not cliche or lip service that is truth. Danny bears the ultimate responsibility for everything.

Gibbs inherited some cap restraints, dead money, discord from his two best players (Lavar and Champ). He tried to turn it around quickly by acquiring people and making trades.

This team has been quick fix after quick fix. That existed before Gibbs, during his tenure and has continued after.

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Mark Schlereth = toolbag

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Couldn't agree more with this line:

"Seems to be the most likely chance for success might come from getting the guys upfront in the offensive line to rediscover a street-fighting mentality and try to beat some people up at the line"

This, to me, is on Buges.


Posted by: Greg | September 11, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

The Six Flags deal was worth over a billion dollars and it's lost over 60% of its worth had to sell 7 of 30 locations for pennies on the dollar and is currently getting sued. So to answer your question No, No it doesn't make it seem irrelevant.

Posted by: No | September 11, 2008 9:30 AM

I am sure this is all Danny fault, might it also have something to do with the economy and gas prices.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins are the second-most valuable franchise in the NFL, according to the latest rankings by Forbes. Owner Daniel Snyder's franchise is worth $1.53 billion, behind the Dallas Cowboys, who are valued at $1.61 billion.

Snyder purchased the team and its stadium for $800 million in 1999.

Nearly a 100% return on 800 million. Kinda makes the Six Flags tiny portion of Dan Snyder's portfolio seem a bit irrelevant, huh?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 9:22 AM

Only in theory, Anon. $1.53 Billion today dollars is worth about the same as $800 million 1999 dollars.

Posted by: Anon Al | September 11, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

This team has been quick fix after quick fix. That existed before Gibbs, during his tenure and has continued after.

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2008 9:34 AM

I agree, but it looks like they are trying to change that, so lets see how it works out.

There is going to be one thing that will not change for a very long time, unless he dies Snyder will own this team.

Posted by: Flounder | September 11, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

I am sure this is all Danny fault, might it also have something to do with the economy and gas prices.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 9:38 AM

Could be a mix of hiring inexperienced ESPN execs to run a theme park business, the economy, gas, weather, high debt, and poor Wall Street confidence in said management.

Posted by: M. Shapiro | September 11, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Mark Schlereth? Why is it he has nothing positive to say about the 'Skins, ever? I mena, he has two super bowl rings... He protected John Elway and made holes for Terell Davis... What's his f'n agenda?

I've always thought that Dan Snyder wooed back Gibbs to take the spotlight and pressure off him and his FO personnel. Gibbs was simply a pawn or a scapegoat for four years. I just found it funny that he ALWAYS took the blame and always prasied SNyder and Cerrato for a "super" job they were doing when clearly at times they weren't. Gibbs never really had his heart in coaching the Redskins the second time around, or at least it seemed that way to me. Danny offered Gibbs 5mil/yr. for 5 years, right? Given his age, interest in NSACAR, wanting to make sure his family was taking care of, in my opinion gives the man incentive to coach, even if he really wasn't feeling it this past time around.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | September 11, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

EVERYTHING is the Front Offices fault cause Danny makes the calls. It's called being the final say.

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2008 9:25 AM

Right...it's Danny's fault that Kelly and Thomas had bad camps. It's Danny's fault that Campbell got sacked on the first play against the Giants. It's Danny's fault that Plax posted up our DBs all night. It's Danny's fault that Jason Taylor has a sprained knee. It's Danny's fault that Zorn didn't go hurry-up with 6 minutes left. It's Danny's fault that Brady blew out his knee...errr, wait a minute, I guess that one is on Bob Kraft, since the CEO/Owner is responsible for EVERYTHING.

Posted by: p1funk | September 11, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Flounder. There has been some of that. Two things will always keep Danny from ever truly doing that in my opinion.

1. He thinks his teams can win it every year and therefore does things like trade for Taylor (This was also neccesary because of no depth because no draft picks) Instead of coming up with a long term plan to be competitive.

2. He will never hire a GM with real anonymity and stay out of the way. He wants to sit in on the meetings and decide the picks therefore no real GM like Peoli or Beathard would ever step foot in Ashburn.

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Anon Al:

Are you inferring that the inflation rate since 1999 is 100%?!

Wow.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

For those of you that read Greg Easterbrook, he suggested (with supporting analysis from Pro Football Prospectus) that the days of setting up the pass by using the run are over and teams should do the opposite.

This seems especially true for skins. Opposing D's are going to be loading up the box to stop Portis because he's the only player that's looked effective so far. An early start of play action and screen passes seems like a better way to start but they're gonna have to throw it early to be succesful.

Posted by: BobOh | September 11, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs had to gameplan the way he did because he realized we didn't have the talent to score a buncha points and blow people out.

He might've been a genius for using the most boring gameplan ever to control the clock and put us in position to win at the end of the game.


Now Zorn comes in and he thought we actually had talent to blow people out, and that's not the case.

Posted by: The Truth | September 11, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

That's right p1funk. As I said before everything is Danny's fault. They are his players, his coaches to "couch up" those players, he put the product on the field.

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Flounder. There has been some of that. Two things will always keep Danny from ever truly doing that in my opinion.

1. He thinks his teams can win it every year and therefore does things like trade for Taylor (This was also neccesary because of no depth because no draft picks) Instead of coming up with a long term plan to be competitive.

2. He will never hire a GM with real anonymity and stay out of the way. He wants to sit in on the meetings and decide the picks therefore no real GM like Peoli or Beathard would ever step foot in Ashburn.

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2008 9:48 AM

I hope for the teams sake he makes the proper changes, and lets Vinny run it for now and if that does not work gets another football man in here.

Posted by: Flounder | September 11, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

coach up.

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I'm not juding the intensity, desire, or heart of either men, but I'd like to see some new & younger coaches all around coaching this team.

With the sort of sudden retirement of Joe Gibbs, the untimely passing of Bugel's daughter, and people questioning the mentality, skill, and toughness of the offensive line, for the first time since I've been watching football, proves to me that these men think that there is more to life to worry about. Most coaches and players in football say it, but they don't mean it until they get older.
I think Bugel is still one hell of a coach, but I think and part of me is hoping that he steps down at the end of the year. We need to get fresh all around. No old coaches from previous coaching stints and no wanting players from years ago to come in and coach the team (Grimm). This team and fans will continue to long for the past if they choose to stay there.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | September 11, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Now Zorn comes in and he thought we actually had talent to blow people out, and that's not the case.

Posted by: The Truth | September 11, 2008 9:50 AM

If Zorn thought the skins were gonna blow anybody out with the pass he wouldn't have called such a conservative game against the Giants. At some point though, if the offense continues to do nothing he may have to tell JC that, ready or not, we're gonna open it up.

Posted by: BobOh | September 11, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs had to gameplan the way he did because he realized we didn't have the talent to score a buncha points and blow people out.

He might've been a genius for using the most boring gameplan ever to control the clock and put us in position to win at the end of the game.


Now Zorn comes in and he thought we actually had talent to blow people out, and that's not the case.

Posted by: The Truth | September 11, 2008 9:50 AM

Truth,

Again I will ask he was here for four years with complete control and an owner who would give him what ever he wanted, so why did he not have good players?

Posted by: Flounder | September 11, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

So Skinz, let me get this straight.

On one hand, Danny is categorically responsible for everything that ever happens on this team (down to the details of whether a DB covers with proper technique) b/c he is the owner. On the other hand, you believe that the big problem is that he won't hire someone else and "stay out of the way"...not sure how all of that adds up into a coherent criticism.

Posted by: p1funk | September 11, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I dunno, Skinz, I wouldn't mind "couching up" for the rest of the day. But the couches here in the office are so uncomfortable. And they're sitting out in such visible areas. Really tough to get a good nap in when people are walking by all the time. *sigh*

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 11, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs inherited some cap restraints, dead money, discord from his two best players (Lavar and Champ). He tried to turn it around quickly by acquiring people and making trades.

This team has been quick fix after quick fix. That existed before Gibbs, during his tenure and has continued after.

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2008 9:34 AM
Yeah, but before Gibbs those quick fixes were UFAs. When Gibbs showed up he traded away as many draft picks as he could. That's what put the skins in this spot.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Anonymous | September 11, 2008 9:59 AM = BobOh

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Anon Al:

Are you inferring that the inflation rate since 1999 is 100%?!

Wow.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 9:49 AM

Spent a dollar in the world lately?

Posted by: Anon Al | September 11, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

It may not be coherent and after all it's just my opinion but yes if you make all the calls and your team is number #1 in revenue, #1 in dollars spent and has the 6th worst record in the NFL since you bought the team I call that utter and absolute failure.

He has stuck to his guns on the way to build a franchise all the while ignoring the evidence staring him in the face from teams like the Pats, Colts, San Diego and others.

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs inherited some cap restraints, dead money, discord from his two best players (Lavar and Champ). He tried to turn it around quickly by acquiring people and making trades.

This team has been quick fix after quick fix. That existed before Gibbs, during his tenure and has continued after.

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2008 9:34 AM

The team signed more big contracts under Gibbs then ever before he was not under cap restraints, he helped create the cap restraints.

Posted by: Flounder | September 11, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

We need to run to avoid 8-9 in the box. Running will cause 8-9 in the box. WTF? If anything we need to have a nice mix to keep 8-9 out of the box so we CAN run effectively. Did you ever play fball?

Posted by: Tony | September 11, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs had to gameplan the way he did because he realized we didn't have the talent to score a buncha points and blow people out.

He might've been a genius for using the most boring gameplan ever to control the clock and put us in position to win at the end of the game.


Now Zorn comes in and he thought we actually had talent to blow people out, and that's not the case.

Posted by: The Truth | September 11, 2008 9:50 AM

Truth, I'm going to respectfully disagree with you here. I think we did have the talent to score a "buncha" points. Maybe not when Campbell first took over back in '06, but I think the following year they should've. They were 10 games in '07 where they scored 20 or more, so that part about them not being able to score isn't entirely accurate. I thinkit's simply about them, especially Campbell putting this new offense together and fully understanding it. Once they do this (which probably won't be until week 4 or 5) I think the points will be put on the board.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | September 11, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I'm not here to talk about the past..

Posted by: Mark McGwire | September 11, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Inflation Rate in Percent for Jan 2000-Present

Our Inflation data (see table below) is calculated to two decimal places while the government only calculates to one decimal place. Therefore, while being based on the government's index our data provides a "finer" view. January and February 2005 is a perfect example, according to the government statistics both months had an inflation rate of 3%. In January however, our data shows it as 2.97% and February shows as 3.01%. Therefore instead of the inflation rate being "flat" it is actually rising slightly. In another example we see August 2003 and September with the Government saying the rates were 2.2% and 2.3% respectively. This would lead us to believe that inflation rose .1% during that period. In actuality however, it rose from 2.16% to 2.32% or a .16% increase, substantially more than .1%!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Did you ever play fball?

Posted by: Tony | September 11, 2008 10:04 AM

Yeah, usually it involves me and a bad chick.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | September 11, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

The team was in Cap trouble when Gibbs showed up. Don't take my comments as defending Gibbs. My point was that he hired a short timer who at his age was going for win now.

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

It may not be coherent and after all it's just my opinion but yes if you make all the calls and your team is number #1 in revenue, #1 in dollars spent and has the 6th worst record in the NFL since you bought the team I call that utter and absolute failure.

He has stuck to his guns on the way to build a franchise all the while ignoring the evidence staring him in the face from teams like the Pats, Colts, San Diego and others.

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2008 10:03 AM

OK, as long as we both understand that your opinion isn't coherent.

Look, I'm not trying to bludgeon you or the issue too badly. But let's take the Pats, Colts and Chargers. I think there is a simple explanation for why these franchises are on top. It has less to do with ownership/management and more to do with winning the "player lottery". The Pats won the lottery with Tom Brady - before that they were crap. The Chargers won the lottery with LT - before him they had a good defense, but their offense was crap. The Colts won the lottery with Peyton Manning - before that they were crap. All of those franchises sport marquee centerpiece players who are breaking NFL records. Everyone is trying to get their hands on one of those guys out of the draft, but the truth is no one really knows who they will be; but if you get one and don't screw it up, you will be hailed a genius and a "model" owner.

Posted by: p1funk | September 11, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

1999 2.19 Clinton
2000 3.38
2001 2.83 Bush, G.W.
2002 1.59
2003 2.27
2004 2.68
2005 3.39
2006 3.24
2007 2.85

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

So have any of you investments since 1999 achieved a 100% rate of return to keep up with "inflation"?

Posted by: Anon Al | September 11, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Who will be our coach next year??

A. Zorn
B. Cowher
C. Fossil
D. Freidgen
E. Marriucci

Posted by: Trailblazer658 | September 11, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Zorn

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

P1,

Sorry I don't buy the whole thing. Maybe it's applicable with the Pats although they place a high value on draft picks which is why they get people like Randy Moss for a 5th rounder.

As for the others well, Jeff Saturday, Shawn Merriman, Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Bob Sanders, Tarik Glenn, Nick Hardaway, Jamal Williams.

Michael Turner... If LT went down they'd have had a stud RB right behind him. That argument doesn't hold water.

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

I'm with Big Mac on this one, what good is it to talk about Joe Gibbs, his controle, and the Redskins decision making while he was here? I know it has some effect on what is happening now, but we can't do anything about it now. Let's just worry about the talent we DO have and the games versus the Saints.

I'm predicting 23-20, Redskins.

Campbell: 18-30, 220 yds, 1 TD
Portis: 26 car, 110 yds, 1 TD
Suisham: 3 FG's (34, 41, 48)

They're calling for T-storms on Sunday.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | September 11, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

I think there is a simple explanation for why these franchises are on top. It has less to do with ownership/management and more to do with winning the "player lottery"

Posted by: p1funk | September 11, 2008 10:10 AM

If you look at starting lineup at all those teams, I'd say that a majority of the starters were drafted by that team. Right now the skins only have 3 players starting on offense that they drafted.

Posted by: BobOh | September 11, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Oh yeah and if you have many draft picks you get "lucky". Just like the fisherman who casts 1000 times in a day gets "luckier" more often than the dude who casts 10 times.

Ok I'm done with my incoherent opinions on this subject my football IQ of 0.0 will stop now.

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

From PFT,

KIFFIN’S COMMENTS CONFIRM HE’S NOT REALLY THE COACH
Posted by Mike Florio on September 11, 2008, 6:45 a.m. EDT
For months, we’ve heard that Raiders owner Al Davis would have no qualms about firing coach Lane Kiffin at any given moment, because Davis views head coaches as fungible.

Under the Al Davis approach, the keys to a team are the offensive coordinator, the defensive coordinator, and the talent-acquisition process. The head coach is merely the guy who pulls it all together on game day, supervising the process of putting eleven guys on the field at any given time.

When it comes to the defense, Kiffin clearly has zero control over what happens — and he admitted it on Wednesday. Addressing the lack of blitzes in Monday night’s game against the Broncos, Kiffin had this to say:

“I’m not going to really get into if I was the defensive coordinator what I would do because that doesn’t really matter,” Kiffin said. “I’m the head coach. I oversee everything and I control what I can control. Do I have the exact belief we do on defense? No, but it’s hard to have the exact belief that we do. So, it is what it is.”

Translation: On at least one side of the ball, I have zero juice.

Indeed, defensive coordinator Rob Ryan runs the defense, and he consults not with Kiffin but with Davis on how to do the job.

“Rob and the owner are always in communication,” Kiffin said. “For the most part, I let Rob do his thing over there. He has a belief in certain things and he has a conversation with the owner about that. So, that wasn’t the way the game plan ended up the other night.”

This disclosure means that Kiffin technically isn’t responsible for any of the 41 points that the Raiders allowed the Broncos to score. But Kiffin’s decision to cover his own ass by saying so exposes that he’s an empty headset with no real juice, and that once the losses begin to pile up it’ll be easy for Davis to cut Kiffin loose and to install someone like receivers coach Jame Lofton or Paul Hackett (whom the team reportedly was looking to retain as a consultant but who doesn’t appear on the web site as a member of the coaching staff) as the day-to-day manager of the process.

How soon could it happen? Given all the money Davis spent to improve and the poor overall performance of the team on Monday and in light of Kiffin’s decision to lift the eyepatch so that we all can see that black hole where one of the franchise’s eyeballs used to be, it could happen soon.

Maybe as soon as next week, if the Raiders are embarrassed by a Chiefs franchise that, in contrast to the Raiders’ decision to break the bank in order to get better now, essentially opted to concede the 2008 decision in the hopes of getting better down the road.

Posted by: Flounder | September 11, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

You forgot Reggie Wayne, Logan Mankin, Antonio Gates, Vince Wilfork, Asante Samuels, Mike Vrabel, Antonio Cromarte, Antione Bathea.

Man those are some lucky dudes.

Posted by: Da Truef | September 11, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Baseball been berry berry good to me...

Posted by: Sam Sosa | September 11, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

4) Know why we don't look like any of these other teams...because our QB has the ability but not the confidence. This team will only follow the lead of the QB.

THIS IS THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO SIC

Posted by: sicwidit | September 10, 2008 8:52 PM

Amen. Right On. So let it be written, so let it be done.

Also, I agree about how Cooley got injured. As a newlywed, he's getting further into the playbook ... the Kama Sutra. Its real important to be in top physical condition and stretch, maps, such as.

This is getting to be a long thread. I feel like I'm going get corkczarred.

Posted by: dcsween | September 11, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

John Lynch was just cut by the Patriots recently, why don't we pick him up on the cheap?

He has to be a good compliment to Doughty?? No???

Posted by: DTC | September 11, 2008 8:34 AM

Compliment? Maybe replacement. Lynch, at least, finishes his tackles. That said, I'm willing to have Horton log those reps ... he's futury. Also, time to head back to the draft for a free safety ... The Ron needs to be returned to his hunter position at strong safety. A luster for mayhem needs to be set loose.

Posted by: dcsween | September 11, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I think there is a simple explanation for why these franchises are on top. It has less to do with ownership/management and more to do with winning the "player lottery"

Posted by: p1funk | September 11, 2008 10:10 AM

If you look at starting lineup at all those teams, I'd say that a majority of the starters were drafted by that team. Right now the skins only have 3 players starting on offense that they drafted.

Posted by: BobOh | September 11, 2008 10:22 AM

I hear what you are saying, but that's not really the point. The point is when did they start to win consistently and play at a championship level consistently? That would coincide with the rise of their marquee players. There's no way around it. The game is played by players - when you have special ones they make you look like a genius.

Posted by: p1funk | September 11, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Anon Al:

Are you inferring that the inflation rate since 1999 is 100%?!

Wow.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 9:49 AM

It's called Present Value of money you tard.

$800M(PV) = $1.6B(FV)/(1 + i)^9yrs

U do the math...

Posted by: Devo | September 11, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

... reading that again, I think the usage there should be spelled "complement" rather than "compliment."

Posted by: dcsween | September 11, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

OK, as long as we both understand that your opinion isn't coherent.

Look, I'm not trying to bludgeon you or the issue too badly. But let's take the Pats, Colts and Chargers. I think there is a simple explanation for why these franchises are on top. It has less to do with ownership/management and more to do with winning the "player lottery". The Pats won the lottery with Tom Brady - before that they were crap. The Chargers won the lottery with LT - before him they had a good defense, but their offense was crap. The Colts won the lottery with Peyton Manning - before that they were crap. All of those franchises sport marquee centerpiece players who are breaking NFL records. Everyone is trying to get their hands on one of those guys out of the draft, but the truth is no one really knows who they will be; but if you get one and don't screw it up, you will be hailed a genius and a "model" owner.

Posted by: p1funk | September 11, 2008 10:10 AM

Heck, the Eagles have been THE dominant team of the NFC this decade. Who did they win the "lottery" with? McNabb? He's not even in comparison. And they win even when McNabb goes down (see AJ Feeley and Jeff Garcia).

The Steelers have been consistently good for nearly 15 years or so (with a couple years of subpar performances). Who did they win the lottery with? Roethlisberger? He's solid, but no Manning, LT, or Brady. And they had great teams before him.

Jeff Fisher has had successful teams for a long time, whether he's in "rebuilding" mode or not. He won with Steve McNair and he won with a young Vince Young. He certainly hasn't hit the "lottery", yet he consistently has playoff contenders.

Your sample of 3 franchises winning the "lottery" does not exemplify every well-run franchise in the league.

Posted by: psps23 | September 11, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Coherent psps23.

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

PSP,

Agree the Steelers are probably the best run franchise in the league, they get players from the draft to plug in there system and become very good players, they also know when to get rid of a player before he looses it.

Posted by: Flounder | September 11, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Face facts and come clean, Gibbs twice ran from the reality that his teams were not good any longer, and he would have to face a losing record the following year or two. He came when the team was getting super strong and left when the team was getting weak. That's not a moral blight, just a quick duck out of town before the cheese whiz hit the Mr. Fan in the face.

Posted by: Chuck Diddly | September 11, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

thanks tard...but that represents a discount rate of 8%, much higher than Anon Al's inferrence that the jump in value had nothing to do with investment strategy...only the forces of natural inflation

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

++he's futury

Posted by: dcsween | September 11, 2008 10:34 AM ++

Ring the bell....we have the word of the day !!!

Posted by: cej75024 | September 11, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I hear what you are saying, but that's not really the point. The point is when did they start to win consistently and play at a championship level consistently? That would coincide with the rise of their marquee players. There's no way around it. The game is played by players - when you have special ones they make you look like a genius.

Posted by: p1funk | September 11, 2008 10:35 AM

True, but it's still about developing talent across the board, not hoping to find one great player. Last years SB champs didn't have that one great player unless you count Strahan at the end of his career. The good teams scout talent well and use the draft. The better they scout, the better chance they have of finding that one great player but if they don't they still have a roster of very good players.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 10:44 AM = BobOh

Posted by: BobOh | September 11, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Running and winning

Dallas Cowgirls
Marion Barber, 80 yds, 5 yds avg
Felix Jones, 62 yds, 6.9 yds avg
T. Choice, 26 yds, 5.2 yds avg

NY Gints
Brandon Jacobs, 116 yds, 5.5 yds avg
Derrick Ward, 39 yds 4.3 yds avg

Iggles
Brian Westbrook, 91 yds, 4.8 yds avg

Vinny Vidi Vinci Team:
CP, 84 yds, 3.7 yds avg
L. Betts, 0.00 yds, 0.00 avg ( 1 attempt)

Everybody except the redskins play NFC East football even in warm weather.
What’s wrong with this picture? WCO with a QB not fit to run WCO!

Run, baby, run!!!!!

Posted by johnbear1, aka Vinnie Cerrato

Posted by: johnbear1 | September 11, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Some of you guys need to take the blinders off, because if you can't face the organizational mediocrity square full in the face how do you expect to offer solutions?

Posted by: Chuck Diddly | September 11, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Mark Schlereth? Why is it he has nothing positive to say about the 'Skins, ever? I mena, he has two super bowl rings... He protected John Elway and made holes for Terell Davis... What's his f'n agenda?

Posted by: Red of the DMV | September 11, 2008 9:45 AM

He actually has 3--he was a starter on the '91 Super Bowl team here. I think he's got beef because the team thought he was done and didn't resign him when he became a FA. That's the only reason I can think of since he basically distances himself from the Skins and cuddles up to the Broncos.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 11, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

how many other teams in the NFL saw their franchise value double since 1999?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Face facts and come clean, Gibbs twice ran from the reality that his teams were not good any longer, and he would have to face a losing record the following year or two. He came when the team was getting super strong and left when the team was getting weak. That's not a moral blight, just a quick duck out of town before the cheese whiz hit the Mr. Fan in the face.

Posted by: Chuck Diddly | September 11, 2008 10:43 AM

The Skins were terrible before Gibbs got here both times are you kidding? They were one of the worst teams in the league before gibbs 1.0 and he started 0 - 5 that first time. The second time....Spurrier...nough said, we were a laughing stock before Gibbs 2.0, we were better when he left and we still are, the issue though is will Snyder run us back into the laughing stock (see retarded coaching search and drafting of a bunch of guys we didn't really need in the 2nd) or will he stay out of it and get some more football guys to run his franchise.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 11, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Guys I'm worried about the Cryboys two new backs, Felix Jones and Tashard Choice. It seems like they just keep getting lucky in the talent acquisition department. Does anyone know if these backs are the real deal or just average, ala Julius Jones?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

+++I grow weary of hearing how JC needs 'time' to learn the offense, how he has had to learn 7 different offensive systems in as many years, how, if we just give him time, patience, nurturing and a cuddle, etc., he will become a top flight QB. The great ones are better-than-average their first years, and the better than average ones are at least average.--KGrevy+++

Is that a fact?

Signed,

Trent Green
Kurt Warner
Joe Theismann
Phil Simms
Bart Starr
Brett Favre
Jim Plunkett
Derek Anderson
Tony Romo
And dozens of other nurtured, cuddled, late-developing QBs

Posted by: Corkczar, Crotchety Blog Peep | September 11, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I think Felix Jones is going to be a beast, not sure about the other guy.

Posted by: flounder | September 11, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone hear about this? From PFT:

TEMPERATURES RISE OVER NEW YORK NAMING RIGHTS
Posted by Mike Florio on September 11, 2008, 9:24 a.m.
When we first heard about this one, we thought it was from the Onion. A company with ties to the Nazis could be purchasing the naming rights to the new stadium in which the New York Giants and New York Jets will play football.

But it wasn’t a joke.

Allianz is the name of the company. It provided insurance for the Auschwitz death camp, and its chief executive was a member of Adolf Hitler’s cabinet.

Folks in New York understandably are outraged, even though the company has tried hard over the past 60-plus years to make amends for its ties to the Third Reich. (”We’re sorry. We’re really, really, really, really, really, really, really sorry.”)

Coincidentally, we used to call coach Tom Coughlin the Soup Nazi, which might have contributed to these ill-advised comments from last year regarding the criticism he faces: “Hitler and then me, in that order. Unfortunate, but it is.”

Though Coughlin has changed, one thing is clear. Not even Colonel Klink would have been dumb enough to allow the Allianz name to grace the new $1.6 billion venue.
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Wow, and we get grief for the name "Redskins"?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 11, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

how many other teams in the NFL saw their franchise value double since 1999?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 10:48 AM

Yeah our team is better at getting in our pocket books than any other team?


Also probably plenty. Three things define a franchises worth.

TV revenue: All got it.
Fan Base: Was here prior to Danny.
Assets (Stadium): Privately financed prior to Danny.

The 4th is local media revenue which Danny has admittedly done a good job at. But that's small potatoes compared to the rest.

Posted by: I don't get why that's a good thing? | September 11, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Guys I'm worried about the Cryboys two new backs, Felix Jones and Tashard Choice. It seems like they just keep getting lucky in the talent acquisition department. Does anyone know if these backs are the real deal or just average, ala Julius Jones?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 10:49 AM

I'm not sold on Tashard Choice, he looks decent, but so did Troy Hambrick. I am however sold on Felix Jones. I liked him at Arkansas, and was super pissed when the Cowboys drafted him.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | September 11, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I think we need to worry about Marion Barber much more than the two rookies.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Brown,

I think that is a crock there were plenty of companies helping the Nazi's and using ther slave labor.

Volkswagon, BMW, Bayer, Siemens, IBM just to name some.

I think the Giants should go in a different direction, but lets be realistic I am sure that no one in the company except for maybe the CEO was even born back then, and I am sure he will be dead soon unless he was in Hitlers cabinet at the age of 2

Posted by: flounder | September 11, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

brown, Schlereth is a front runner. (I had to edit what I really want to say... ugh) He slurps the Broncos and Elway all day becuase his daddies and mommies tell him to. When have you ever heard anyone besides Matthew Berry say anything positive about the Redskins on ESPN?

Posted by: Red of the DMV | September 11, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

...but lets be realistic I am sure that no one in the company except for maybe the CEO was even born back then, and I am sure he will be dead soon unless he was in Hitlers cabinet at the age of 2

Posted by: flounder | September 11, 2008 10:58 AM

Beliefs transcend generations.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | September 11, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: Cindy | September 11, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I agree about Schlereth....every time I hear him he is dissing the Skins and fawning over the Broncos.

And he was most disappointed in the Skins and Raiders last weekend? Did he watch the Bengals and Rams????

Posted by: Lisa | September 11, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

+++I grow weary of hearing how JC needs 'time' to learn the offense, how he has had to learn 7 different offensive systems in as many years, how, if we just give him time, patience, nurturing and a cuddle, etc., he will become a top flight QB. The great ones are better-than-average their first years, and the better than average ones are at least average.--KGrevy+++

Is that a fact?

Yes it is. While some of us didn't get to play our first years, all of us were at least average or above average our first season as starters.

Signed,

Trent Green
Kurt Warner
Joe Theismann
Phil Simms
Bart Starr
Brett Favre
Jim Plunkett
Derek Anderson
Tony Romo
And dozens of other nurtured, cuddled, late-developing QBs

Posted by: KGrevey | September 11, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

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