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The Skins And Dock Were On Different Planets

The chasm between the Redskins and Derrick always existed, but I didn't realize just how great the difference was between their offers and Buffalo's until tonight. Howard and I spoke to some team sources and what they told us was pretty remarkable.
I'm not going to post the numbers here, but they'll be on the web later tonight I imagine as we update our stories and definitely in most editions of the paper tonight (although one edition has already gone to print by now if you can believe that).
The Bills deal was exponentially greater than anything the Redskins were dangling. Even had Dock got the kind of deal I thought he might as of Thursday afternoon - $12 mil guaranteed, $5 million ish per season - it wouldn't have been close.

By Jason La Canfora  |  March 3, 2007; 10:19 PM ET
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Biiiiig money

Posted by: Megskin | March 3, 2007 10:31 PM | Report abuse

jason, what kind of reaction are people having around the league and especially in buffalo regarding dock's contract?

Posted by: dealer | March 3, 2007 10:32 PM | Report abuse

I dont really understand what Buffalo is doing? You let half the Defense go, you shop W McGhee and than over pay for a guard???? They better have a solution to RB or I don't get what the point is?

I am glad Dock is out of the NFC so he can't pancake us 1/2 a year.

Posted by: chris larry | March 3, 2007 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Well, Dock was not the only player who received a big contract in Buffalo. Seems Buffalo got confused yesterday...thought they were the Redskins.

Any news about where Lavar may be heading?

Posted by: Lisa | March 3, 2007 10:35 PM | Report abuse

No one could impersonate me. Oh by the way, the point is to update people on Skins news and notes. The rest of the mess is a waste of space and only serves to turn off those who legitimately are interested in the Skins and not whose blog is bigger, better or whatever.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | March 3, 2007 10:35 PM | Report abuse


Yeah nut all the signings were O lineman...and if they trade mcghee whats the point...Could Travis Henry be on his way back? Their are some decent tailbacks out there...

While I would argue JLaC that this blog has developed into more than just a skins news outlet, and that their is significant difference in the vibe here than other blogs I take your point am officially retiring from the blog battles of 07 free agency...

Posted by: chris larry | March 3, 2007 10:39 PM | Report abuse

I only stumbled onto this blog after the season ended. These are all names I recognize on this string so far. Think the Skins are making some goood moves so far. Hope it carries on.

Posted by: cdubb | March 3, 2007 10:39 PM | Report abuse

I cant stop tonight....sorry....

Lisa I bet dollars to donuts Lavar ends up with steelers with an incentive laden deal....

again hope is out of NFC...

Posted by: chris larry | March 3, 2007 10:40 PM | Report abuse

jason, "that'll do jason, that'll do.". thanks for the updates! shut off your computer and phone. drink some warm milk and go to bed.

before this blog i always could count on peskyrelli getting the scoop from mr. carrado. i'm glad i don't have to give those people a "hit" on their web site.

Posted by: dealer | March 3, 2007 10:41 PM | Report abuse

some of ya'll take this Internet thing way too seriously

Posted by: Redskin Nation | March 3, 2007 10:43 PM | Report abuse

I never saw Dock pancake anybody in his four years as a Redskin.

Posted by: Chuck Deezee | March 3, 2007 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Lisa - haven't heard anything concrete on LaVar at all. Been so swamped with Skins stuff I forgot but will call the Postons tomorrow and try to find my phone numbers for LaVar too.
There is a rumor going around NFL circles that he might retire, but I haven't heard anything remotely concrete.
I am pretty stunned by what the Bills did. This was a tough market to wade into like that and devlote so much space to the O line in a year where the O line is getting paid like never before.

PS - Believe it or not, the previous Jason La Canfora post actually was not me. First documented case of someone pretending to be me that I can think of, but props to whoever it was, 'cause they speak the truth.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | March 3, 2007 10:44 PM | Report abuse

dealer -- I just caught up, and you're letting Jason go to bed? WTF?

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 3, 2007 10:45 PM | Report abuse


ESPN and Comcast seem to reporting a much bigger contract for Smoot than what the AP was reporting. Any idea which is Legit?

Posted by: AEE | March 3, 2007 10:47 PM | Report abuse

I hope derrick dockery and his deformed head has a season ending injury dam it.

Posted by: Alex | March 3, 2007 10:48 PM | Report abuse

There's probably a joke there about Marv Levy, Alzheimer's, a dollar figure, and overspending on not one but three offensive lineman.

I did not say it would be a funny joke.

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 3, 2007 10:48 PM | Report abuse

wow Alex nice sentiment...would you turn down a bazillion dollars???

Posted by: chris larry | March 3, 2007 10:49 PM | Report abuse

I was about to claim that the posers' parents had sent them to bed, but apparently Alex's let him stay up to 11.

Sorry, couldn't resist. I think I'll draw a tall, frosty glass of beer and spend the next few hours guessing Smoot's salary numbers.
Jason, just interrupt when I get the right one.

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 3, 2007 10:52 PM | Report abuse

The Bills said they were only going to spend 30 million on their team going into next year. Not taking into account the NFL accounting method. Guess between Dockery and their draft pick they are done.

Posted by: cdubb | March 3, 2007 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the Skins should have traded Dock? Who knew he was worth so much!

Posted by: Alan | March 3, 2007 10:56 PM | Report abuse

A sure sign Leonard Davis is coming to the Redskins, in light of the "London School of Economics" signing:

Posted by: Chuck Deezee | March 3, 2007 10:57 PM | Report abuse

i think FA is done for the skins right? just LD signing left. and if they want him they'll get him. like someone said...skins always are the best during the offseason...

i'm really shocked about patsies giving up a 2nd rounder for a receiver...if they wanted a receiver why didn't they go after calvin johnson?

Posted by: dealer | March 3, 2007 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Still up waiting to hear back on a few things and having a little vino (need to unwind a bit before the madness starts again Sunday).
The number I hear on Smoot are $25 over 5. I believe he gets $5 to sign and $5 in a bonus next March (although I can not lock down if that definitely a guaranteed bonus like Lloyd and Arch Deluxe got) with some very high base salary numbers in the final years of the deal.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | March 3, 2007 10:59 PM | Report abuse

So does a $5M bonus sound high? that won't be too bad on the cap this year, and a chance to see how he works out.

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 3, 2007 11:17 PM | Report abuse


Many of us are happy to see Smoot back... he played hard for the skins when he was here (remember the chest injury - he fought through like a champ).

But how does his recent signing compare with others? Did we overpay? Was he a bargain? Will he play 3rd CB? Thoughts?

Posted by: Hauss | March 3, 2007 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Well, his cap hit's not too bad for a CB; I don't know what the league average for annual cap hit for #3 CB is, but it doesn't seem out of line.
But the man has to play.
We know that he can -- and that's why the skins take the FA vs. draft route -- but you have to assume he's had a rough couple of years.
All you can ask is that he'll put forth the effort, keep his nose clean, and have fun with the microphone.
And I wish I didn't have to add the keep his nose clean part. It's the one real downer on this deal. I don't know exactly what his involvement was with the boat thing, but it sounded sleazy even if it hadn't turned criminal.

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 3, 2007 11:27 PM | Report abuse

JLc, So the Skins offered dock roughly a 3yr $27 mil contract?

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | March 3, 2007 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Alright, sounds good if we didn't overpay.

I'm not too worried about the off-field antics with Smoot. Smoot is Smoot. I think when he has a chance to practice or play - he'll do it hard.

The entire D sruggled in '06. We seem to be addresing:
1) MLB
2) CB - although spring is still a question
3) D-line in draft

Is that enough? Can the D rebound? Will the loss of Clark a year ago still plague Taylor in the 2ndary?

Posted by: Hauss | March 3, 2007 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Well, they have one more player to select in the draft. The consensus is that it will be a d-lineman, we go back and forth between those that want a DT (Branch, Okoye) or a DE (six to choose from).
A lot of people want us to trade down -- I certainly want them to listen to offers, but I doubt they'll get something worth thinking about unless someone like Johnson somehow slips to #6.

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 3, 2007 11:53 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Anonymous | March 3, 2007 11:57 PM | Report abuse

The trade down option is interesting, but what could they realisitcally get with a trade-down? Obviously, there is no way of knowing, but I wonder if they could still address both DT and DE adequately.

If we can somehow land a servicable guard and retain Springs I lean toward keeping the #6. If we can't then maybe a trade down makes sense.

Posted by: Hauss | March 4, 2007 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Looks like the Broncos signed that Holland guy from the saints....heard his name tossed around here earlier

Posted by: T | March 4, 2007 12:02 AM | Report abuse

When we went through it, one of the possibilities was to trade down something in the range of #12 and #44; there will still be a solid DE/DT available at #12, and the #44 pick could give you a solid MLB prospect, safety, or CB.

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 4, 2007 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Ok, cool.

Out of curiousity when you say "we", who do you mean? Are you (Cload)part of the ocntingent here? Sorry for the ignorance, but I just found this blog this morning. Good stuff so far though.

There hasn't been much talk about the WR psotion recently. Moss is a stud. Ditto Colley at TE. Antwaan has been so-so and Lloyd an underacheiever. Any insight by anyone how this will play out. CW says that no new blood will be added, but any changes on this front?

I gotta head to bead soon, but it is always nice to find people willing to talk skins.

Posted by: Hauss | March 4, 2007 12:17 AM | Report abuse

re: Montrae Holland

Yes, there are some bargains to be had in free agency. Unfortunately, it helps to have a scouting organization that knows what the coaches are looking for.

By Lee Rasizer, Rocky Mountain News
March 3, 2007
When the Denver Broncos called to bring in Montrae Holland for a visit on the first day of free agency, the veteran offensive guard was taken aback somewhat.

This is an organization, after all, known for lighter, athletic offensive lineman. And at 6-foot-2, 322 pounds, he's a good deal heavier than the norm.

"It caught me by surprise," he admitted.

But after sitting down with Broncos coach Mike Shanahan, it all made sense.

"He told me the defensive tackles are getting bigger," Holland explained. "And they needed bigger guards that can hold up on the inside."

Denver, which will have a more pocket-oriented passer in Jay Cutler starting at quarterback next season, believes Holland can fit that description with aplomb. They've agreed with the 26-year old former New Orleans Saints player on a one-year, $1 million deal.

Holland, who can play either guard spot, has started 30 games since entering the league in 2003. He had been slated to top the depth chart again last season but needed knee surgery in training camp. Jamar Nesbit claimed the left guard job and played well enough that Holland couldn't reclaim the job.

In Denver, he's expected to compete with second-year player Chris Kuper for the right-guard spot vacated by Cooper Carlisle, who's a free agent and not expected back.

Holland said he was drawn to the organization by Shanahan's reputation for taking care of players and adding years to their career, plus, "The bottom line is they win."

Holland was one of the Saints strongest players. He can bench press 500 pounds. The big question will be whether he has the feet to succeed in Denver's zone-blocking scheme.

"I feel like I've played against some great players and know I can play the game," Holland said. "If I couldn't I wouldn't be here."

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | March 4, 2007 3:17 AM | Report abuse

Nice work this weekend, JLaC. It's nice to know there is one place (R.I.) to always get reliable information about the Redskins.

I'd like to add my vote AGAINST bringing in Davis. Let the Cowboys pay too much for him.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | March 4, 2007 3:20 AM | Report abuse

re: who is Wes Welker?

"By now most of you know who the unrestricted free agents are. But do you know who is restricted and what they accepted as qualifying offers? Neither did I until I checked in with one club.

Here are the top players and what, in addition to a new contract, teams must pay to acquire them:

First- and third-round draft picks (3): QB Matt Schaub, Atlanta; DE Jared Allen, Kansas City; RB Michael Turner, San Diego.

First-round pick (4): Bobby McCray, DE, Jacksonville; Max Starks, T, Pittsburgh; Sean Locklear, T, Seattle; Jacob Bell, T, Tennessee.

Second-round pick (22): Nick Leckey, C, Arizona; Demorrio Williams, LB, Atlanta; Jordan Carstens, DT, Carolina; Drew Carter, WR, Carolina; Michael Gaines, TE, Carolina; Stacy Andrews, G, Cincinnati; Kyle Larson, P, Cincinnati; Patrick Crayton, WR, Dallas; Cecil Sapp, RB, Denver; Ryan Lilja, G, Indianapolis; Jake Scott, G, Indianapolis; Josh Thomas, DE, Indianapolis; Ahmad Carroll, DB, Jacksonville; Quinn Gray, QB, Jacksonville; Yeremiah Bell, DB, Miami; Cleo Lemon, QB, Miami; Wes Welker, WR, Miami; Randall Gay, DB, New England; Gibril Wilson, DB, N.Y. Giants; Jordan Babineaux, DB, Seattle; D.J. Hackett, WR, Seattle; Eugene Amano, C, Tennessee." (Clark Judge,

Anyway, based on a little research, Welker is a WR, but he is also a KR. Of course, Miami is an AFC East rival, so New England impacts a 2x-yearly opponent, whether Miami matches a big clause-laden contract or lets Welker go for a draft choice. Loos like a smart move by the Pats.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | March 4, 2007 4:09 AM | Report abuse

Having a nice little evening here in the Emerald City...good wine, late night burgers, and (most importantly) an early and sober evening of sleep...

Whoever said this on the previous thread is a genius:

>>> "Two thirds of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by SMOOOOOOOOOT!"

That is my new favorite football joke. Well done.

Posted by: P Diddy | March 4, 2007 5:28 AM | Report abuse

Never did make it out to that movie... had an overpriced margarita and fell asleep on my buddy's couch. Just glad I wasn't here for the RI v.ES shabingus.

I posted as Jason La Canfora back in like October just to see... it worked and immediately came clean on it. To me, I only post as other people (Jack Bauer, Daniel Snyder) if its funny. I just don't care enough about all the shenanigans get worked up over stupid stuff. If I were Chris Larry, i'd feel violated for losing my fake online identity. Cause I'm the only Dorf out there and he's the only Chris Larry. Period.

I'm going to try and go back to bed... I drove home from my buddy's place around 5am and am pretty much waiting for breakfast... if there's one thing I've learned in life, waiting is a lot easier when you're asleep. Great job Jason. Thanks for letting us kiss your rear all the time while you hold us in utter contempt, at least thats what I surmised from reading what took place last night on the blog.

Posted by: Dorf | March 4, 2007 6:33 AM | Report abuse

This thread makes you & others look like the expert football wannabees your NOT!! Quoting your sources as Dock not given skins a chance to match???? Like I tried to tell your D**b A** Docks agent new skins werent in the ball park!!Like always
go back to losing weight at the gym Lisa!!

Posted by: TOLD YOU SO | March 4, 2007 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Told you so...

Apparently Dock DID NOT give the Skins the chance to match the Bills offer - apparently the reason he did not was because their offer all along was far below what the Bills offered so why even go back and give them a chance? My "sources" which were incidentally, ESPN and USA Today experts were probably correct. I have never claimed to be an expert at anything. I was simply sharing with my fellow bloggers - those who have been on this site all along - what I heard. Take it or leave it. What the hell does it matter anyway? Why don't you go back where you came from? Never heard of you until 2 days ago.

Posted by: Lisa | March 4, 2007 9:24 AM | Report abuse

When you OVERPAY FAs every year its very insulting to the players on your team when you LOWBALL them as Snyder was doing with Dock,Maybe for cap reasons?or maybe gambling no one would pay?One thing is for sure his agent knew Skins cap situation and for YOU to QUOTE your sources as FACT made Dock look like the bad guy when in fact it was the IDIOT redskins not LOCKING up a YOUNG guard for many yrs!!!Smoot didnt come cheap like all you said? cant wait to read all the hypocrite posts on this one???

Posted by: told you so | March 4, 2007 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Ocho-Ocho/P/ and Dorf where the hell were you guys when I was here Friday night with on one? lol

Lisa keep doing what you doing sweetie. Good to know that we haven't sign Davis yet. I say pass on him and pick up someone on the cheap.

Posted by: jm220 | March 4, 2007 9:47 AM | Report abuse

That should have read "no one" lol

Can we please stay on the positive today.

Posted by: jm220 | March 4, 2007 9:49 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: Anonymous | March 4, 2007 10:17 AM | Report abuse

jm220, it's hard to stay positive after the past two days. We had a nice little blog with pretty nice people - even though our opinions were vastly different at times. Now, all these new bloggers have come into the blog in attack form.

I hated to lose Dock as much as anyone and I agree that the reason we did not have the $$$ to pay him is because of the many mistakes of overpaying FAs in previous years. However, so far it seems the Skins are finally being fiscally responsible. Now if they come back and offer Davis (or anyone else) anything close to what Dock is getting that will be a different story.

Posted by: Lisa | March 4, 2007 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I like what the skins are doing this year. I think their is two choices left. Sign a O-lineman and draft a DE(hopefully Jamal Anderson) or trade down in the draft and pickup an extra pick and draft a DE and a guard.

Posted by: James | March 4, 2007 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I would like to stir the pot a little also. The skins defense will be back next year and all of you current Greg Williams haters will once again be singing his praise just as you were two years ago.

Posted by: James | March 4, 2007 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Lisa I agree. We did have such a nice family. And the last month or so we all (reg blog) have been attack. I am just hoping that today could be a positive day. No we are not going to agree all the time but we an be respectful of each other.

Posted by: jm220 | March 4, 2007 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I am famous for easily being goaded into blog/email/IM wars. My friends could tell of some legendary battles and am often given the nick name "Hater Larry" so yesterday perhaps I fueled the shabinagins by taking the bait to easily. Today I won't take the bait.

Posted by: chris larry | March 4, 2007 10:28 AM | Report abuse

you are the first to attack bloggers whos post you dont agree with,when you talk of smacking people & Lisa you also attack 1st by questioning if posts are man enough so both of you(probably 1 cross dresser)can crawl back into your insecure lifes!!!If paying 2 over 30 Defenders 25 Mill each & letting go 26 yr old is being fiscally responsible then you clearly need to quit sharing your football knowledge(NOT)!

Posted by: jm220(pot calling kettle black) | March 4, 2007 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Leonard Davis is a goner!!!!!

Oh well. I didn't want him anyway!!

Posted by: Macaca Johnson | March 4, 2007 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Good morning sunday bloggers. Any idea o when the smotter PC will be??? I won't a front row seat for that!!!

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | March 4, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Wow, my englais not so good.

Any idea on when Smooter's PC will be???

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | March 4, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Nice!!!! Thanks Macca that is GREAT NEWS!!!!!!!

If we had paid him more than Dockery I would have flipped!

Posted by: chris larry | March 4, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Great news on Davis.

F Chris Larry. Did I bait you in? LMAO!

Posted by: jm220 | March 4, 2007 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Davis' contract is expected to exceed the free agent deals of Bills guard Derrick Dockery (7 years, $49 million) and Browns guard Eric Steinbach (7 years, $49.5 million).

Yeah we needed to let him walk.

Posted by: jm220 | March 4, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

No way! sitting in my computer chair chanting "OM"

Posted by: chris larry | March 4, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

(Posted by: jm220(pot calling kettle black),

Smoot is 27 and we got two defenders for the price of one, now completely overrated guard.
I was originally not met with friendliness here by posting in the past couple ofdays, but there have been 100 of you fools making the "newbies" look bad.

Onto a real topic, THANK GOD that L. Davis kid is a Cowboy... there's no way he is going to be a good pick-up. This is good for two reasons, the Skins dont overpay for an underacheiving guard/tackle and the Cowboys do... it's like a dream come true!!!

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | March 4, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

LMAO! CL you are the man.

Posted by: jm220 | March 4, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Told you so, you are about as welcome here this morning as a shot of tequila. No caps lock action in the morning. Obviously, differing opinions are welcome here if they are delivered good-naturedly. You can brew controversy, you can distill the facts, but you can't ferment hatred.

Posted by: SMACK | March 4, 2007 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Chuck Deez,

Dockery may never have pancaked anyone while here, but he could put away some pancakes. His sophmore year he was starting to resemble Tre "Cheeseburger" Johnson. He was most remakrable for penalties in my opinion, and sliding the wrong way on blitzes up the middle.

A great path clearer on the run, but not so hot in pass block until last year when he lost weight.

ALl that gauranteed money will pack about 35-45 lbs back on him. The nature of FA.

Posted by: Head Coach Clowns | March 4, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Very well said Smack.

I was reading the posts from last night. I don't drink so you guys are going to need to help me out here. What is GM?

Posted by: jm220 | March 4, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Hmmm, Leonard Davis on a line with Andre Gurode and Flozell Adams. That could be scary. Or it could be really really lazy. We shall see. jm220, GM is Grand Marnier is an orange flavored liquer. You do shots of it and it has the curious effect of making you do more shots of it. For some reason it is huge in Baltimore and the rest of the "hon" sect.

Posted by: SMACK | March 4, 2007 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Man, do I just have the worst timing or what? Bad timing to be a newbie.

I'm surprised this doesn't happen every year though. We all know the number of people in this area that play franchise mode on Madden and then think cause it worked in the game, that's what the Skins should do is redic.

At some point and time, all those dead guaranteed chunks of change were bound to catch up to us. Anyone know a site that has NEXT season's expiring contracts on it? Just curious to see what year it will be that we will have a lot of room under the cap, it's coming in the next 2 or 3 years.

Posted by: allstar | March 4, 2007 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Smack.

I am listening to ESPN. They said Adams ran a 4.6 40. Damn for a big man that is fast.

Posted by: jm220 | March 4, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Reports say cowboys only offering 5 mill a yr(steal at current prices)so your dream would be a nightmare I guess? Smoot making 25 mill to be 3rd corner is INSANE! If he is replacing Springs it would be huge dropoff in talent!!Dock is not overrated & he is to you because he left!

You telling anybody they are not welcome is pathetic this is not your house & if you are anybody thinks it is then picture me taking a DUMP on your couch & taking your woman upstairs!

Posted by: Its All Good | March 4, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Hey It's all good, can you translate that into English for me please.

Posted by: SMACK | March 4, 2007 11:20 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: Anonymous | March 4, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Overpaying is the new paying. The Skins just got to the party early and chatted up the wrong girls.

Posted by: SMACK | March 4, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

That espn article (thanks Macaca) says Davis' deal with the Cowboys may exceed Hickory Dickery Dockery's. Good grief, that's a lot of money!

I know, I know, part of what we do every offseason is reset our expectations for what the market will pay for a guard, safety, whatever, but at the moment this is absurd.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 4, 2007 11:37 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: chris larry | March 4, 2007 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Chris Larry is a girl. Is it working yet? LMAO

Posted by: jm220 | March 4, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

And again, so great to have the Skins working in relative quiet, making a couple of good not-too-splashy signing, and NOT being the ones making this huge deal with Tall & Fat Davis.

Need to hear something positive about discussions with Springs. That would be nice. Springs-Smoot-Double Move need to be our 1-2-3 corners this year.

And oh yes, we do need to fill that hole at guard, but I'm worrying about that less and less now that Davis is out of the picture. Take a second- or third-tier dude and give him to Sgt. Bugel, who will tear him down and rebuild him as a Hog.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 4, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

JM220 is that seriously u? "OM...."

Plus girls rule, I love Degrassi Jr High so maybe I am a girl...upside I can play with my own boobs!

Posted by: chris larry | March 4, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: | March 3, 2007 11:57 PM

This one pretty much sums up my take on alot of what happened yesterday. Seems like the coked up hamsters from Redskins Insider are still hosting some of the ES gerbils on meth. Its all good. One big happy rodent blogosphere with short attention spans.

My primary thought about Smoot ... is that, who's kidding who, Shawn Springs is going to be awesome again next year. I just hope the Skins decide to 'afford' him for the remaining term of his contract (2 years left?). I'm guessing that Vincent, who thought about what the new CBA was going to do to salaries told Springs "hold off and wait, watch salaries escalate, no need to restructure your deal, you might even be able to find a better one even if they do cut you, just hold off, watch, and wait."

My latest thought on Dockery ... is that this was personal. The leader of the cheapskate 'old guard' of the owners (Ralph Wilson) decide to come into the house of one of the vanguard Young Turk, big money teams. Ralph Wilson was like John Turturro in Big Lebowski ... and $nyder was John Goodman in the bowling alley -- "You come in here wit your (UFA), pendejo, and I will takeitaway from you. I will shove it up your @$$ and pull the trigger till it goes .. click." Pure (but ultimately ineffectual) vengeance.

If the Skins are going to work a trade, I think the three prime candidates -- in this market -- where they have players locked into undervalued contracts (making the player look good to another team) are: Lemar, Springs, and Betts, but esp. Lemar. While it might have looked like Springs' and Betts' contracts were overvalued, recent events suggest otherwise. Don't get me wrong, I want the Skins to keep all three. This is just a predication re: a trade, if and when it does happen.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Also, my guess about the delay with Smoot was about the strong possibility that he would be #3 ... and he/his agent not completely ready to accept that.

Double Move will improve with the removal of the double screws (in his thumb).

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2007 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Dare to dream... is it possible the Skins might find themselves this time next year holding a full slate of draft picks for '08 and having already extended Cooley and Springs?

Not gorging themselves at the free agent buffet so far -- and not putting all that guaranteed money on the table -- and not trading away so many picks, can only be good signs.

But I am curious... is there any cap room left for '07 given the deals we've signed so far and the draft picks we anticipate? Does the front office have room for one more good pickup?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 4, 2007 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Where did these jokers come from? I've been a reader and poster for about a year now, and over the last 2-3 days some real idiots have shown up.
I agree with you SMACK, Lisa ITA,fake JLaC jump off a real bridge.
The differing of opinions has been entertaining and informative over the last year but the last couple of days its been like picking diamonds out of a shti pile.

I wish we could have got Davis, from what i understand he played well at guard, not so well at tackle. Who else is out there to pick up?

Posted by: priceisright | March 4, 2007 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Another gorgeous day here in Portland, sunny and highs in the '50s. I'm taking the boy to the zoo. Mrs. Nate is taking off with a friend, Thelma & Louise style (or at least Laverne & Shirley). I leave the blog to y'all.

Please, no blog feuding today, hmmkay?

Just remember we're all in this together, Skins fans! (And honorary members Smack and Adam (Eagles fan)


Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 4, 2007 12:01 PM | Report abuse

jm, i tried staying up friday night with you... but the Orange Vice with GM put me over the limit. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you only dole out smacks to the back o' the heads when people try to bring up a subject that is dead a thoroughly beaten. Or when someone is a PAMF. Works for me. BAMF > PAMF and you sir are a BAMF. I can't believe I typed that on a Sunday. Ufta.

Hey new guys, Nate PDXer is pretty much the spokesperson for newbs. He is a living example of someone jumping right in and joining the family. That and he's a westcoaster so he pretty much owns the blog after 5pm. Feel free to bring your thoughts and ideas here... i usually don't. We have our quirks so feel free to ask questions too. Jason La Canfora is really great at answering emails too, so don't think he's too high and mighty to chat with you.

Redskins are taking the FA easier this year because they have no cap room or draft picks. In no way are they being fiscally wise or patient. Their hands are tied.

Any chance Ian Scott (DT) from Chicago could come to DC? That gator is a house, great character guy, and young.

Posted by: Dorf | March 4, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

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