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A Turnaround in Turnovers

It seemed only a matter of time before the Redskins fell into the dreaded negative side of the turnover ratio. And now they sit at minus-1 with two games to play, a long plummet from the heady first five weeks when they surrendered not a single giveaway on offense.

This has been the biggest failure of the defense. Overall, the Redskins have protected the ball very well. They just can't take it away.

Jason Campbell remains the least intercepted passer in the NFL. The Redskins have just 17 turnovers all season; only two teams, Miami and the Giants, have fewer. That's in the company of playoff teams in that regard.

The problem is that they have only 16 takeaways. Atlanta and Denver are the only team with fewer. The Redskins are tied for last with just four fumble recoveries. The average NFL team has caused 22 turnovers this season. That's a pretty wide margin. Another six takeaways - roughly one every other game - and maybe they are still in the playoff hunt. Maybe they beat Cincy and the Rams.

Those two games are the difference between being right there with Dallas, and being done. In those two games the Redskins committed five turnovers and produced just one. That's your season. The Bengals and Rams have combined for four wins and half came against the Skins. And when you consider the Rams are tied for last in the NFL with 30 giveaways, and the Bengals are at the bottom, too (25 giveaways) it clarifies everything.

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 15, 2008; 5:00 PM ET
 
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We lost to the Bungles.

Posted by: Devo2 | December 15, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

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I had suggested in last week's column that the Cincy game could well be the 'highest stakes game' in recent team history. A major moment for this franchise. So, what exactly was Sunday?

Sunday was the official end of the Gibbs 2.0 era.

Almost every 2008 starter was brought in by Gibbs, right down to the long snapper. Pretty much the entire defensive and special teams coaches were all part of Gibbs staff. It was all about 'character' guys. The starting players (plus the top rotation players) for this 2008 seaso, almost to a person, had received Gibbs 'character' seal of approval.

This is the week it ended. The week began with a Portis meltdown on the radio. Something that would not have happened under Gibbs. The game featured Moss committing a 'beyond stupid' penalty. The special teams managed 5 penalties. Portis had a mediocre game against a terrible defense. The Skins were down 17-0 against a 1 win team. They couldn't punch it in from the 1 (and its not the jints defense). The playoff hopes ended in Cincy, for 2008 and perhaps for several years to come.

There is no reason to keep the Gibbs 2.0 group together anymore. Its clear that many of the players are playing older than their age and some are not motivated enough to play smart ball, even with the playoffs a real possibility. Whatever Gibbs had instilled in these players, it has left the building.

The Gibbs 2.0 era officially ended yesterday

The question is: What era has begun today?

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Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 15, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't matter if we get 100 turnovers. The offense can't move the ball and they can't score. After the defense comes up with the ball, we just end up punting it right back to them.

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | December 15, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to be watching the next game with a paper bag over my head. JLC was right all along. The FO sucks.

Posted by: Doublebagger | December 15, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been on here to see comments since before the game, but did anyone else feel that Cooley was down before fumbling? I thought it was definitely a challengeable/reversible call.

Posted by: csh2000 | December 15, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Keep blaming the legend. Its Gibbs fault that we went to playoff 2 out of his 4 years with these same players. Its Gibbs fault that this franchise had only couple of winning seasons since Dan took over. Its Gibbs fault when you keep throwing money at FA year after year. Stop being stupid and put the blame where needed.

Posted by: thewayitis | December 15, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

We lost to the lambs and bungles because the offense could not score. The D put the O in the hole to start yesterday's game, but it was still very winnable.

If the offense could score just the NFL average in those two games, then we would be sitting in position for the 1st WC spot.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 15, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

"Nice try, but I agreed with you when you implied by using stats, Rex must be better. You brought him to prove your point.

Posted by: Skins930"

I brought Rex to imply that by YOUR definition, Rex must be a better QB than Jason Campbell (due to the fact that QBs can only be judged by W-L, and Rex Grossman has one of the highest winning percentages of all-time). You confirmed this by agreeing to my implication. And your agreement to my implication confirms my assertion that you have lost all credibility in the judgment of QBs.

That is all.

Posted by: psps23 | December 15, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I brought Rex to imply that by YOUR definition, Rex must be a better QB than Jason Campbell (due to the fact that QBs can only be judged by W-L, and Rex Grossman has one of the highest winning percentages of all-time). You confirmed this by agreeing to my implication. And your agreement to my implication confirms my assertion that you have lost all credibility in the judgment of QBs.

That is all.

Posted by: psps23 | December 15, 2008 5:43 PM

LOL!! Still does not change the fact that JC has a losing record and is on his second losing streak to end HIS second year as a starter. Twist it anyway you want, them is the facts.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 15, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

The Cowher watch has begun ... maybe Marty is coming back? Along with Priest Holmes ... :)

Posted by: periculum | December 15, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

The team quit against the Bungles. Burgundy and gold paper bags are the new "R" insignia cap.

Posted by: Doublebagger | December 15, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I for one think we have a candidate in house Morocco Brown, (he selectes our late draft picks and UFAs from what I understand).

Posted by: alex35332 | December 15, 2008 4:21 PM

Alex or anyone else, can you confirm this ?
interesting stuff if it is true.

Posted by: dspinx | December 15, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

LOL!! Still does not change the fact that JC has a losing record and is on his second losing streak to end HIS second year as a starter. Twist it anyway you want, them is the facts.

Posted by: Skins930

Sorry, never twisted any facts of the sort. And that is a fact.

But you're right, Jason Campbell does have a losing record right now. So does Jay Cutler. So did Drew Brees at this point in his career. So did Troy Aikman at this point in his career. But I guess they were/are all destined to be losers forever.

Posted by: psps23 | December 15, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Its Gibbs fault that we went to playoff 2 out of his 4 years with these same players. Its Gibbs fault that this franchise had only couple of winning seasons since Dan took over. Its Gibbs fault when you keep throwing money at FA year after year. Stop being stupid and put the blame where needed.

Posted by: thewayitis | December 15, 2008 5:42 PM |

They went to the playoffs at 10-6 and 9-7 if the NFC had been better they are home.

Gibbs was in charge of personnel when alot of that money was thrown at FA's.

The blame is not entirly Gibbs but he deserves some of it.

I know he is like God to alot of you, but this time around he got influenced by the big spending instead of rebuilding the team the right way.

I know everyone says he was not in charge of personnel but he was he had final say and way more pull with Danny then Cerrato has. If Gibbs wanted Cerrato gone he would have been gone.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 15, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been on here to see comments since before the game, but did anyone else feel that Cooley was down before fumbling? I thought it was definitely a challengeable/reversible call.

Posted by: csh2000 | December 15, 2008 5:42 PM |

I was at the game and he was clearly NOT down. Those damn jumbotrons.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 15, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Alex or anyone else, can you confirm this ?
interesting stuff if it is true.

Posted by: dspinx | December 15, 2008 6:00 PM |

Vinny has said that Morocco consentrates more on the UFA's and the bottom part of the roster as well as the practice squad.

I'm not sure about the late rounds of the draft.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 15, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

scamp,

I agree they showed the replay several times he was not even close to down.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 15, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Flounder, agree, DS was not going to say no to Gibbs.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 15, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Flounder, agree, DS was not going to say no to Gibbs.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 15, 2008 6:10 PM |

Gibbs could have done what ever he wanted when he first came back he could of told Snyder I am firing Vinny and hiring a GM with personnel experience.

He chose to keep the structure the way it was.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 15, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Vinny has said that Morocco consentrates more on the UFA's and the bottom part of the roster as well as the practice squad.

I'm not sure about the late rounds of the draft.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 15, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse


So Vinny gets to do the fun stuff like draft all the 1st day- ers' while Morocco gets the practice squad. I wish it was the other way around, can it get much worse than lapdog dictating the future of your team ?

Posted by: dspinx | December 15, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

As a die hard redskin fan from Ohio, I have to say I am so embarrassed today as I have had a million phone calls from bungal fans I have laughed at in the past. How could we lose to this team? How could our offense get worse during the season and not better. Watching our terrible offense in person was much worse than on TV. Why is Campbell scared to throw the ball downfield? Why is that Thrash guy out there on offense? I was a Zorn backer, but now Fire Vinny and Zorn. Welcome Chin and please turn things around.

Posted by: Ohioskin | December 15, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

maybe this has been batted around ... sorry if it has...but it seems shockingly telling that Vinny would skip his radio show AGAIN! I realize it would be nothing but one big kick in the n**z for him...HOWEVER...this is what you said you wanted to do.

Radio shows are not just for 6-2 teams. I generally am trying to remain patient, but this is a slap in the face of the fans.

Posted by: cej75024 | December 15, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Ohioskin....I live in the stinking he**hole of Dallas...imagine what goes on down here !!! Hang in there !!

Posted by: cej75024 | December 15, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

We have D. Hall to thank for the few turnovers we do have. THAT is why he needs to be re-signed.

Alot of teams get TOs b/c they have an EFFECTIVE PASS RUSH THAT GETS SACKS which (1) causes the QB to cough it up on a sack/fumble play or (2) pressures QBs into bad throws.

Posted by: p1funk | December 15, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

"This has been the biggest failure of the defense. Overall, the Redskins have protected the ball very well. They just can't take it away."

This is very true.

Anyone watching yesterday's game saw the D was 0-5 in takeaways.

Posted by: dc4mckinney | December 15, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cej75024 | December 15, 2008 6:32 PM

Well said. Vinny's just being a punk on this and both Danny and him on backing Zorn in all matters, especially during this losing streak.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 15, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Given the futility of this years offense I suspect that we won't see Mr. Zorn back next year. Nor JC.
Just a guess.

Posted by: periculum | December 15, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

This has nothing to do with the post about turnovers but something that really bothers me is seeing all the guys so calm and some even laughing on the sidelines while they're down 17 points. (Chris Wilson, after a penalty was called on him was for some strange reason laughing, thinking that it was funny, when I saw that I was so angry, it showed me that they really just don't care.) All the guys were just sitting there looking like they weren't interested when the season is ON THE LINE. Nobody ever got into anyone else's face and yelled at them to fire them up. You see that all the time with other teams, players will get into the faces of their teamates and fire them up. They were just too calm for a game where you had no choice but to win.

Posted by: rachel216 | December 15, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

The only way it would be tolerable for Zorn to be gone is if Vinny is gone with him. Otherwise it's just the same old FO, no matter who comes in to coach!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 15, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Corey Webster (Giants) inked to a 5year/43mill contract w/ $20mill guaranteed.

That, my friends, is the measuring stick for inking Hall and Rogers to long-term contracts.

Posted by: p1funk | December 15, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

As someone living in Atlanta, I can tell you the Falcons turnaround started in January when they hired Thomas Dimitroff as their GM. Perhaps if we hired a real GM we too could have the same kind of turnaround.

Posted by: will_ga | December 15, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

As someone living in Atlanta, I can tell you the Falcons turnaround started in January when they hired Thomas Dimitroff as their GM. Perhaps if we hired a real GM we too could have the same kind of turnaround.

Posted by: will_ga | December 15, 2008 7:27 PM |

He is a very good GM and a pupil of Scott Pioli from NE.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 15, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of GMs:


WHAT NEXT FOR CHIEFS, PETERSON?
Posted by Mike Florio on December 15, 2008, 7:13 p.m. EST

Given the surprising but not completey unexpected news that Chiefs G.M. Carl Peterson is resigning (possible translation: he was given a chance to quit in lieu of being fired), two questions now arise.

What’s next for the Chiefs, and what’s next for Peterson?

The arrival of a new G.M. isn’t good news for coach Herm Edwards, since most General Managers want to hire their own head coaches. Then again, the current economy might make Chiefs owner Clark Hunt less likely than he otherwise might be to pay to Edwards a significant buyout.

But even if Edwards stays, he’ll definitely be on a short leash and/or a hot seat in 2009.

Early speculation will center on former Steelers coach Bill Cowher, who has (in our opinion) been using genuine interest in his services on the part of the Browns to ensure that his name remains at the top of the “A” list. Pats V.P. of player personnel Scott Pioli’s name has been popping up as a potential candidate for other jobs, and given the manner in which the Falcons have reversed their fortunes under former New England director of college scouting Thomas Dimitroff, Pioli would seem to be a natural candidate for consideration.

Then there’s former Titans G.M. Floyd Reese, who likely will purchase billboard space throughout the Kansas City area, along with a plane that writes in the sky, “The Guy Who Built The Titans Thinks The Chiefs Can Be Even Better.”

And we’d be remiss if we didn’t mention our own Ted Sundquist, former Broncos G.M. who has drawn rave reviews for his scouting reports and game reviews this season. (Hey, if Floyd is going to shamelessly pimp himself, we’re allowed to throw Ted’s hat into the ring.)

The stated intention to “immediately” launch the Chiefs G.M. search necessarily excludes, for now, any of the guys who currently have jobs. And, as usual, the candidates who work for playoff teams will have to wait until their current employer makes its exist.

Peterson, whose resignation was announced four days short of the 20th anniversary of his arrival as president, G.M., and COO of the Chiefs, likely won’t immediately find his way onto the short list in other cities. A polarizing figure whose hard-nosed negotiating style has likely earned him more than a few enemies around the league, Peterson nevertheless has a lot to offer, but he might have to take a role short of the head of a front office in order to give it.

That said, there apparently will be a healthy market for G.M. candidates in 2009, given that there are already two vacancies and counting. Maybe someone else will decide that Peterson would be the answer.

Though he never delivered a Super Bowl appearance (or even a trip to the AFC title game), Peterson generally has done more with the Chiefs over the last 20 years than anyone has done with the Lions.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 15, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Curz,

I said it the other day I would give Pioli all the money he wanted and give him full control to do what ever he wants.

He could turn this ship around.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 15, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

The success of the Redskins is directly tied to the amount of time the coach spends sleeping on a sofa in the office.

Wonder if Zorn has EVER done that?

Posted by: Xlnt | December 15, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Flounder, that is the best place The Danny could spend his money. Pay him, give him full control, then just sit back and watch him turn the team around. And make The Danny even more money.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 15, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

The success of the Redskins is directly tied to the amount of time the coach spends sleeping on a sofa in the office.

Wonder if Zorn has EVER done that?

Posted by: Xlnt | December 15, 2008 7:37 PM |

maybe some of the players should sleep with balls in there hands so they do not fumble.

I doubt Bill B. sleeps in the office and he gets the job done.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 15, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Charley Casserly would be better than Cerrato! Is Beathard still alive. Hell, even if he's dead he can't do much worse than Vinny.

Posted by: will_ga | December 15, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

going to pick on sacred cow chris cooley.

He fumbles way too much.

Fumble rates per catch for top TEs in their careers:
A Gates 0.51%
T Gonzalez 0.66%
Witten 0.72%
Heap 1.36%
Crumpler 1.48%
Shockey 1.68%
Cooley 2.30%

That ain't close. The weighted average of all the others is 0.99%. Cooley is more than twice that bad. Those fumbles kill teams.


Posted by: bselig | December 15, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Pioli isn't coming here. You can advance your $$ working for Danny, not your life. Which is why Danny hired Zorn. No one else other than Fassel and GG wanted to be in Danny's playpen

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 15, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

That Cincy game felt like "The Truman Show," in which we learned that the Redskins players are actually actors playing the parts of football players.

Posted by: Xlnt | December 15, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Not only is the GM horrible at evaluating talent, he's gutless as well. Hey Vinny, you agreed to do the show, DO THE SHOW! Stop hiding like a coward. BOHICA Vinny. GET OUT OF DC you idiot coward.

Posted by: dcwun | December 15, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

"sacred cow chris cooley"

lol

Hire f'n Pioli.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 15, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

What is the current consent of the RI public on the positional needs of this team entering the off-season?

P
K
OL
DL
LB
WR
RB
CB
QB
S

????

Posted by: dbussjd | December 15, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

did they ever get the firevinny dot com going?

Posted by: RedDMV | December 15, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and what is the consensus on Landry? I wonder if we should have traded up and taken Calvin Johnson? Or Passed on Cambell and taken Andre Johnson?

Posted by: dbussjd | December 15, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Let's go Brownies!

Posted by: freakzilla | December 15, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Skins need, in order:

NEW OWNER (OK, not gonna happen)

1. Player personnel guy to replace Vinny
2. O linemen
3. LB
4. D linemen

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 15, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

dbussjd, they could use talent and depth at ALL those positions you named except the secondary - to date, but obviously they have needs at: OL, DL, and LB. They need to draft all ALL those positions and nothing else.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 15, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

sorry in 2003 we took Taylor Jacobs instead of Anquan Boldin.

Posted by: dbussjd | December 15, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

We took Jacobs with pick 44 of the second and the Cardinals took Boldin with 54 of the second!

Posted by: dbussjd | December 15, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Boldin wasn't a good fit for the fun 'n gun.

Posted by: mack1 | December 15, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

I would like to thank danny boy and vinny for making me lose interest in football. Never thought it would happen but this has been the most boring football i have ever seen.

F th FO

Posted by: jjed56 | December 15, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and what is the consensus on Landry? I wonder if we should have traded up and taken Calvin Johnson? Or Passed on Cambell and taken Andre Johnson?

Posted by: dbussjd | December 15, 2008 8:25 PM


I think LL is doing his job. I can't remember the last time a team went over the top of the skins because LL is playing so far off the ball. He's a solid player who in time should be a very good player.

Posted by: TWISI | December 15, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Why are the skins becoming more and more like the lions. The team has to be the laughing stock of the league.

Posted by: jjed56 | December 15, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

To take the play calling pressure off of the Coach lets have JC call the plays. Couldn't get any worse!

Posted by: jandlml | December 15, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

"And so the team lost to the Bengals, one of the worst teams in the NFL. The coaches and the players and the front office executives shook their heads in disbelief as they walked to the locker room.

Losing to one of the worst teams in football was bad enough, but watching so many mistakes by your own team mates and having to see it all from the sidelines was absolutely nauseating.

Albert didn't know what to expect, but he wasn't looking forward to showing up at Redskins Park on Wednesday. He didn't even want to go back to the locker room, or back to the hotel, or fly back to DC for that matter. He wanted to run away or just find a place to hide. He wanted to curl up and die."

(Who is Albert? What did Albert do next? You decide. Write the next paragraph to this piece of serial pseudo-fiction, then pass it on to the next Hamster. Let's see what fate has in store for this team.)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 15, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

The only way I'd fire Jim Zorn is if they fire Vinny and bring in a football mind. Other than that I'd keep Zorn for a season or two more. This team has consitently underachieved offensively under two head coaches, one a Hall of Famer.

Why are many convinced we had talent to win a Super Bowl?

Here's what I would do...

Gather as many draft picks as I could, through trades of whatever. I would not trade these players under any circumstances

Laron Landry
Chris Horton
D'Angelo Hall
Kedric Golston
Anthony Montgomery
Demetric Evans
London Fletcher
Rocky McIntosh
Carlos Rogers
Chad Reinhart
Chris Samuels
Jason Campbell
Devin Thomas
Malcom Kelly
Santana Moss
Clinton Portis (only because you can't)
Cooley(although you could get high picks for him)

Everybody else is expendable.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 15, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Please, please, PLEASE stop using Collins' success from LAST YEAR as validation to start him over Campbell.

I swear when this reason is squeezed out of your ass, it just shows you know nothing about football.

God!

Posted by: RedDMV

Red,
I'm sure you know so much.
This is what I mean:
It has more to do with what JC couldn't do all season, and yes, a QB with loads of experience could. He, TC is still a journeyman QB, always will be I suppose. JC isn't near what we need. Stop making excuses for him. His flaws are independant of schemes by and large. Slow recognition, slow delivery, inaccurate on short throws, not a real good touch on short passes either.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 15, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

quick list of DE selected in this year's draft. I left out the round 1 picks since we didn't have 1:
Rd
2 Questin Groves, 2 sacks
2 Philip Merling, 1 sack
2 Jason Jones 1.5 sacks
3 Kendall Langord 2 sacks
6 Trevor Scott 5 sacks

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 15, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

What if we traded Clinton Portis, Chris Samuels, Shawn Springs, Antwaan Randle El, and our 2010 1st and 2nd round draft picks for Detroit's two 1st round draft picks and 2nd round draft pick in 2009?

We would then have 3 1st round picks and a 2nd. We could fix our O-Line (1st pick overall and in the 3rd round), D-Line (third pick), and LB (second pick) before the second day!

Posted by: TDawg1 | December 15, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Cork!

I'm watching the Philadelphia game right now and they have this rookie receiver, Desmond Johnson, or something like that. He looks like he's pretty good -- almost as good as the recievers the Redskins drafted in the second round. Why do you think the Redskins didn't take this Jetson guy but took Thomas instead?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 15, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Sic, but calls for getting draft picks from trades are not going to happen. We need to do a good job during the FA period and draft smart with our measly 4 picks.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 15, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

We took Jacobs with pick 44 of the second and the Cardinals took Boldin with 54 of the second!

Posted by: dbussjd | December 15, 2008 8:32 PM

What? We could have had Boldin? Doesn't this seem like maybe Spurrier wasn't as good a judge of talent as we used to think he was? Who do you think he would have picked between Devin Thomas and this Philadelphia guy, Deshley Jamston?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 15, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

We took Jacobs with pick 44 of the second and the Cardinals took Boldin with 54 of the second!

Posted by: dbussjd | December 15, 2008 8:32 PM

Oops

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 15, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

"And so the team lost to the Bengals, one of the worst teams in the NFL. The coaches and the players and the front office executives shook their heads in disbelief as they walked to the locker room.

Losing to one of the worst teams in football was bad enough, but watching so many mistakes by your own team mates and having to see it all from the sidelines was absolutely nauseating.

Albert didn't know what to expect, but he wasn't looking forward to showing up at Redskins Park on Wednesday. He didn't even want to go back to the locker room, or back to the hotel, or fly back to DC for that matter. He wanted to run away or just find a place to hide. He wanted to curl up and die."


(Who is Albert? What did Albert do next? You decide. Write the next paragraph to this piece of serial pseudo-fiction, then pass it on to the next Hamster. Let's see what fate has in store for this team.)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 15, 2008 8:44 PM |

But Albert knew how much the 'Skins needed help at WR, and this might be his chance to redeem his reputation. Sure, the 'Skins let him go once before. And, yeah, he messed up when he was with the Saints, but the 'Skins had thought enough of him to call him back after all these years. Physically, he wasn't quite as ready for NFL football as he would have liked, but this was the Redskins and he knew that even if his workout went badly, he could steal something out of Clinton Portis's locker to make the trip worthwile. That's when it started to get really interesting for Mr. Connell.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 15, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Stumped, Albert is obviously a flying unicorn.


Also, we're not beating this Philly team next Sunday. It would be nice to play spoiler for them, but that would require us playing with purpose.

Ironically, if we were to finally play with purpose now that it no longer matters, that would piss me off.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 15, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Ironically, if we were to finally play with purpose now that it no longer matters, that would piss me off.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 15, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

THAT , my RI friends , is the line of the day...sad but true.

Posted by: cej75024 | December 15, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

this is the real team without sean taylor (the best player on the team by far)..im just surprised it took this long for reality to set in

Posted by: ripmeast21 | December 15, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse


Snyder is stuck between a cock and hardplace:

1) If he fires Zorn, then he's subjected Campbell and his team to another wasted offensive system and shows he's learned nothing from Gibbs.

2) He can't get rid of Portis without a HUGE cap hit. So Portis is the classic "coach killa"

3) If you keep Zorn, then you must shake up the roster.

4) If you fire the coach and keep the roster intact, then you don't win s**t.

I think Snyder would seriouly have to consider a major overhaul with a GM here.

Here's why...

Danny is influenced by what others around the league do. You can't ignore Parcells in Miami or the success in Atlanta and Baltimore. You've tried bringing back a HOF coach...you've somewhat tried the out of the box hire in Zorn, BUT WITH THE SAME PLAYERS.

SNYDER: YOU HAVE TO FIRE VINNY, and REBUILD THIS ROSTER. WITH THE RIGHT MIND, IT MAY TURN AROUND QUICKLY. NO COACH CAN WIN WITH THESE PLAYERS, ESPECIALLY ON OFFENSE.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 15, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Ricky--I would add another perspective. Snyder has allowed Portis to undermine the coach. When Snyder should have been telling Portis that Zorn is the coach and that Zorn is the one who will decide who plays or not, Snyder instead chose to undermine the coach. Against such a situation it's all but impossible for a player to take a coach seriously.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 15, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

(Who is Albert? What did Albert do next? You decide. Write the next paragraph to this piece of serial pseudo-fiction, then pass it on to the next Hamster. Let's see what fate has in store for this team.)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 15, 2008 8:44 PM

I know this one. I used to watch him every Saturday morning when I was growing up. How did this start? Oh year:

Hey hey hey, it's Fat Albert; and I'm going to sing a song for you...

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 15, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Ricky--I would add another perspective. Snyder has allowed Portis to undermine the coach. When Snyder should have been telling Portis that Zorn is the coach and that Zorn is the one who will decide who plays or not, Snyder instead chose to undermine the coach. Against such a situation it's all but impossible for a player to take a coach seriously.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 15, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse
______________________

Suppose Snyder asked Portis to call out the coach publicly....

Posted by: Xlnt | December 15, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, Albert changed his name to Carl, and was forced to flee earth after the discovery of his dalliance with certain members of the Redskins Cheerleading squad. Now known as Advance Sergeant Carl Harris, leader of the attack
squadron now in orbit over Skylon 4, he had more important things to think
about than the neuroses of an air-headed asthmatic bimbo named Laurie
with whom he had spent one sweaty night over a year ago. "A.S.
Harris to Geostation 17," he said into his transgalactic communicator.
"Polar orbit established. No sign of resistance so far..." But before he
could sign off a bluish particle beam flashed out of nowhere and blasted
a hole through his ship's cargo bay. The jolt from the direct hit sent him
flying out of his seat and across the cockpit.

Posted by: daggar | December 15, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Too many players to replace to turn this around quickly. Did the analysis before, but it really comes down to the number of starters with 3 years or less left. And that is about 1/2 the starters. Getting 11 new starters in place is a lot to do in 3 years, especially with limited cap room.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 15, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Why would Snyder need to use Portis (or anyone else) to undermine Zorn?

Snyder didn't hesitate to can Marty after one season, so I can't believe he would need a "screen" to can Zorn, if that's what he felt like doing.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 15, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

XInt--And on Snyder's part that may very well prove to be a grave mistake. Now Portis probably thinks that he can do whatever he want on the team. Even if Zorn stays after the season, when he eventually moves on, Portis will think that he has free reign with the next coach. Snyder has emboldened him. And while Snyder may have won the current battle, he may very well have proven to have ended up losing the war when the situation with Portis and the next coach becomes untenable.

I also wonder what effect Portis's behavior has had on the rest of the team. It can't help him team morale to see one player receive so much preferential treatment.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 15, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Xint...

That would be a conspiracy theory to beat all theories, but not impossible I guess.

Looking at Snyder, it seems as if he needs a player on the team to validate him

LaVar and now Portis

Posted by: rickyroge | December 15, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Suggesting that Snyder used CP is absolutely ridiculous....

If Snyder wants Zorn to go, he will tell him (or he will tell Vinny).

As I mentioned last night, CP is a regular on the the John Thompson Show and has ranted on the show several times -about various things. Thompson asks him questions that touch a nerve and he lets it fly. Seeing the way Zorn treated him I don't blame him (but he could have taken it down a notch).

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 15, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

*** FF ***

Zornskins is trying to hold off Forrest in our FF league championship. Zornskins had a 15 point lead going into the finals, but Forrest has westbrook (whose massive game last week resulted in nailbiting win for him over me -- and my not being in the finals). Ironically, Zornskins benched romo for Orton, which put his championship in jeopardy.

So far, though, Zornskins is holding up, as westbrook has only 4 FF points at the half (he had 34 last week!!)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 15, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Great point jiacinto...

I think Portis has alienated his teammates, but they won't go on record. They all saw him drop that ball yesterday.

Also, don't forget he got guarunteed money. That's bound to create some resentment.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 15, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

No offense, but Jim Zorn is a zero at this point (as a coach, not a person).

He has accomplished NADA, so there is no reason to defer to him, engage in conspiracies to get rid of him, or believe he actually knows WTF he's doing yet.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 15, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah guys, don't forget Portis ripped Gregg Williams after the 2006 (5-11) season after that home loss to the Giants when Tiki Barber ran for 246 yards

Posted by: rickyroge | December 15, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

It just occurred to me that if Zorn goes and Cowher comes in, everyone will be optimistic again (well except for the eternal pessimists). We never give anyone a chance around here.

Onward volatile Redskins!!!!! Onward volatile Redskin Fans! Here's to the reporters that love to rub our noses in it!

A little sunshine would be nice once in a while.

HTTR

Posted by: JoeyV3 | December 15, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

The Portis haters crack me up, man.

Without him, this team would be 0-14.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 15, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

I hate discussing the draft in December!!!

The only thing I hate more than discussing the draft in December is the draft itself!!!

The only thing I hate more than the draft itself is the results of the draft picks made in the draft!!!

The only thing I hate more than the draft pick busts from the previous years draft is the backdraft felt when yet another season goes up in flames!!!

The only thing I hate more than...well you get the point!!!

Happy Holidays fellow Skins fans. I am outa here until there is something worthwhile to discuss. By worthwhile I mean something more than mediocre. It may be 15 years before that happens.

Peace out...Happy Holidays to you all! See you in 2009.

Posted by: Soup17 | December 15, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

The problem starts up front on both sides of the ball. They have a bunch of old washed up players and no depth. The have failed to draft younger offensive and defensive linemen. Who is responsible for the draft of course Vinny! Time to fire him please! I am going to go the game and boo them!

Posted by: bigjofc | December 15, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Well, does it not seem clear why Mr. Jansen was playing all these weeks?

Posted by: daggar | December 15, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Portis is a great football player with a "little man" complex who put himself before the team. Snyder has "crowned" Portis.

Oh yeah, this team would also be 0-14 without London Fletcher.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 15, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Mr.Redskin--I think that what Snyder wanted to do was sow division in the team and enabling Portis to do that helped. I could be 100% wrong; but, at some point in the last few weeks, Snyder could have finally decided to get rid of Zorn. And this is the mechanism that he is using to make that a reality. But this rests on the assumption that Zorn has already found a replacement for Snyder--or is already to talking to said replacement either through direct or indirect channels.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 15, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm not at all sure the o-line is "washed up."

Jansen, maybe.

Zorn's refusal to max protect in games where JC is getting killed is a direct result of his own offensive playbook, which he won't - or can't - vary from.

It reminds me a lot of Spurrier letting Patrick Ramsey get killed week in and week out because he had all these GENIUS WR sets he wanted to run, and didn't give a hoot about adjusting to what the opposing defense was doing.

Ramsey was sacked 30 times in 2003.

Through 14 games this season, Campbell has been sacked 34 times.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 15, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

To me, the story of this team was always going to be about when the OL started to get old. I felt they would be OK this year. Figured with Jansen/Heyer, that we could survive one injury.

For 8 games, the OL was good. Then Samuels got dinged and it seems everything fell apart at that moment. We can all point fingers in all sorts of directions, but the real issue is the OL got old. Nothing more fancy than that. And that was predictable, just a matter of when. Once the OL stopped moving people back, this team dropped like a rock.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 15, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Some Sunshine...

We beat the Saints, Cowboys, Eagles, Browns, Lions, Seahawks and Cardinals. Most of which we were predicted to lose.

Everything changed when the OLine and Portis got hurt. So JLaC can complain that our depth really does stink - which is fine...

Zorn inherited our lame duck receiver core and most of the players. Hard to blame a guy that just came in and WON the toughest part of our schedule by RUNNING the ball. So I am not sold that Zorn should go. Cowher sounds tempting but only if Dan and Vinny get out of his way otherwise we need a coach that will work with these guys to have any chance at stability in this franchise.

More Optimism...

Get a few more pieces and we are back in business. We have a decent defense. And now we have two new receivers that need to grow and a tight-end.

If we get a line, and Jason Candle gets more than... oh 1.6secs to throw then maybe his flame of an arm will become a torch again, and maybe another back to relieve Portis (betts sucks)... things could get better.

I don't think we should torch everything.


So draft OL and DL and a RB and I think we are back in this thing. OL to me is the most critical part.

Posted by: JoeyV3 | December 15, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

But this rests on the assumption that Zorn has already found a replacement for Snyder--or is already to talking to said replacement either through direct or indirect channels.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 15, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Man this one got me all excited!!!
My wife is spraying me down with the hose now.

Posted by: Soup17 | December 15, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

What is everyone so upset about?

Fred Davis caught a pass! That increased the production from our draft receivers by almost 15%!

Awesome!

Posted by: isnadd | December 15, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

www.firecerrato.com

it is still in the construction stages, but take a look anyway - the more hits the better.

Posted by: SonnyFan | December 15, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Zorn's fate will be determined in these last two games.

If they lose them both, he's gone.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 15, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Mr.Redskin--I think that what Snyder wanted to do was sow division in the team and enabling Portis to do that helped. I could be 100% wrong; but, at some point in the last few weeks, Snyder could have finally decided to get rid of Zorn. And this is the mechanism that he is using to make that a reality. But this rests on the assumption that Zorn has already found a replacement for Snyder--or is already to talking to said replacement either through direct or indirect channels.

Posted by: jiacinto

This is absolutely, utterly ridiculous!!! Not to mention you have Zorn and Snyder mixed up.....Zorn will never get rid of Snyder seeing Snyder owns the team.

At least it made me laugh....

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 15, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Lisa_R--Probably a Freudian slip because I think Snyder is a large share of the problem and I want him gone, but that's not going to happen.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 15, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I transposed that line about Snyder and Zorn. I have been at work all day, so I'm tired.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 15, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Zorn has been f***ing up from day one.

Jansen learned he wasn't starting via the radio, Zorn made some lame crack about Portis bleeding after a game, this week Carlos Rogers didn't know he wasn't starting until the pre-game PA announcements.

It's absolutely horrific management and lack of communication.

As a coach, he - or Blache or whomever - certainly have the right to play whomever they want. But it makes NO SENSE to fail to inform your players of what is going on and what their role is going to be in an upcoming game.

It's inexcusable.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 15, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin, I agree with you 100%! Zorn made this messy bed he (and the team) are lying in.

Today he was finally contrite and accepted blame but unfortunately, it's too late for our season.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 15, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Great point jiacinto...

I think Portis has alienated his teammates, but they won't go on record. They all saw him drop that ball yesterday.


Posted by: rickyroge | December 15, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse
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I disagree. I suspect that many of them agree with him, even if they didn't agree with the way he handled things. Seems like more of them are coming out and saying things about how they "weren't told" something. I also suspect that Portis' rant had been building, and the "benching" was just what finally set him off. We don't know what goes on in the meetings, but it appears to me that what is said there is no more uplifting than what gets told to the media by the HC.

Posted by: Xlnt | December 15, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

hey guys, it could be worse...

you could still think your team is in the playoff hunt, even though you know that there's no way in hell that's gonna happen.

Adam

Posted by: wtf_is_up_with_wp_registration | December 15, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

*** FF ***

Zornskins 83, Forrest 78, with 4 mintues to go. Seems westbrook is done for the night, meaning Zornskins will win our FF title. Deserving too. He led the league in points by a lot, had the best record.

So congrats to Zornskins. Who won the championship with romo on his bench.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 15, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

We lost to the Bungles.

Posted by: Devo2 |

Cheer up, according to Quantum Physics "Many Worlds Theory" there is an alternate universe out there in which the Redskins won

Posted by: TheCork | December 15, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

+++Portis had a mediocre game against a terrible defense.++++

Aiyeeeeee!!! Running bacsk don't have anything BUT mediocre games without good to great and experienced Olines.

Both starting tackles were out, and they weren't any great shakes to start with.

Posted by: TheCork | December 15, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

*** FF ***

The points scored in our 2 game playoffs:

Zornskins : 168 (champion)
4th: 188
Zeke (me): 192
Forrest: 198

So Zornskins actually won the playoffs with the lowest total of playoff points!! Sometimes its better to be lucky than good ...

*** FF ***

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 15, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Hmm...

I don't think Jim Zorn was as good/smart as he was made out to be when the team started 6-2 and I don't think he's as bad/dumb as he is being made out to be now. He's definitely made some mistakes, but he's also a first year coach who ended up getting a promotion two rungs up the corporate ladder. So he's doing a lot of on the job learning with an aging team that has average talent and limited depth.

Before he's tarred and feathered, I'd wait to see how the team finished the season and what JZ can do now that he's got a playbook he can use from day 1 of training camp.

Eagles Fan Adam

Posted by: wtf_is_up_with_wp_registration | December 15, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey Thanks Zeke. I didn't realize I was supposed to take NFC East players out last week so had to take Romo out this week to make up for bad karma. Looks like it rolled back to me a bit. I had fun, and I am hoping to get like 10,000 points for something as they have done Greg and others much good.


*** FF ***

Zornskins 83, Forrest 78, with 4 mintues to go. Seems westbrook is done for the night, meaning Zornskins will win our FF title. Deserving too. He led the league in points by a lot, had the best record.

So congrats to Zornskins. Who won the championship with romo on his bench.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 15, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: zornskins2 | December 15, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

+++I said it the other day I would give Pioli all the money he wanted and give him full control to do what ever he wants.

He could turn this ship around.

Posted by: Flounder21 ++++

Great idea. But, you know how players have to pass a physical exam? If he agrees to leave New England and Bob Kraft and come to work for Dan Snyder, I'm afraid I'd have to insist on a mental exam.

Posted by: TheCork | December 15, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

++++"I'm not at all sure the o-line is "washed up."

Jansen, maybe.

Zorn's refusal to max protect in games where JC is getting killed is a direct result of his own offensive playbook, which he won't - or can't - vary from.

It reminds me a lot of Spurrier letting Patrick Ramsey get killed week in and week out because he had all these GENIUS WR sets he wanted to run, and didn't give a hoot about adjusting to what the opposing defense was doing.

Ramsey was sacked 30 times in 2003.

Through 14 games this season, Campbell has been sacked 34 times.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 15, 2008 10:28 PM "++++++

thank you for proving just how utterly clueless you are. ramsey only played in 11 games at all in 2003, and 1 of those was when he only lasted 4 attempts against miami. so for all practical purposes he played 10 games.

Posted by: RonBurgundyandGold | December 16, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

hey guys, it could be worse...

you could still think your team is in the playoff hunt, even though you know that there's no way in hell that's gonna happen.

Adam

Posted by: wtf_is_up_with_wp_registration | December 15, 2008 11:14 PM


Wait, what? We're out of the playoff hunt? That sucks. Thanks dude!

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 16, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

tough season for the Skins. Fortunately, I have another team to fall back on ... the San Jose Sharks (I go to 8 games this season). 25-3-2 wins in 30 games. No owner/GM/HC issues when you're leading the league ... by a bunch.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 16, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

thank you for proving just how utterly clueless you are. ramsey only played in 11 games at all in 2003, and 1 of those was when he only lasted 4 attempts against miami. so for all practical purposes he played 10 games.
Posted by: RonBurgundyandGold | December 16, 2008 12:50 AM |
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And????

My post points out that both QBs are being killed week in and week out. Ramsey 30 sacks under Spurrier in '03, Campbell 34 sacks (and counting) under Zorn.

I never said how many games Ramsey did or didn't play in 2003, so jam your knee-jerk reactions, toss some cold water on that boner you got from thinking you had a "gotcha" moment, and go back to sniffing bicycles seats, you frigging idiot.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 16, 2008 1:55 AM | Report abuse

Jansen learned he wasn't starting via the radio, Zorn made some lame crack about Portis bleeding after a game, this week Carlos Rogers didn't know he wasn't starting until the pre-game PA announcements.

It's absolutely horrific management and lack of communication.

As a coach, he - or Blache or whomever - certainly have the right to play whomever they want. But it makes NO SENSE to fail to inform your players of what is going on and what their role is going to be in an upcoming game.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 15, 2008 10:42 PM


Rookie head coach mistakes made by *gasp* a rookie head coach.

Shocking.


To E.F. Adam: Good to see you back around these parts. And your guys are still probably going to beat our guys on Sunday, and can beat Dallas, so if this week Dallas loses to Baltimore and Atlanta loses to Minny, and you win out, you're in. I'd give it even odds.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 16, 2008 3:35 AM | Report abuse

This season is obviously the curse of Leigh Torrence. ;[

Posted by: bangkokben | December 16, 2008 3:55 AM | Report abuse

++++"I'm not at all sure the o-line is "washed up."

Jansen, maybe.

Zorn's refusal to max protect in games where JC is getting killed is a direct result of his own offensive playbook, which he won't - or can't - vary from.

It reminds me a lot of Spurrier letting Patrick Ramsey get killed week in and week out because he had all these GENIUS WR sets he wanted to run, and didn't give a hoot about adjusting to what the opposing defense was doing.

Ramsey was sacked 30 times in 2003.

Through 14 games this season, Campbell has been sacked 34 times.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 15, 2008 10:28 PM "++++++

From what I've seen, the o-line has major difficulties stopping 4, even 3 man rushes.

Max protect would do nothing to stop that.

Furthermore, max protect offenses are based first and foremost on a strong running game, which, since portis is obviouusly
either unable or unwilling to play 100%, won't work. Also, max protect still requires good linemen, to maximize the running game. With the injuries and age, max protect would do little to save JC from the indignity of the sack.

But, it's not the o-line's fault that our pass-catchers don't know where the effing first down marker is located. I've seen far too many punts on 4th and 1 for my liking.

Zorn has already done the most important thing he could do in this situation. He accepted the blame. Now, we'll just see if his players respond. If they do, I wouldn't be surprised to see the 'skins rebound against the Eagles.

Guess we'll get a sense of that on Wednesday, eh JLC?

Posted by: eastcoastswampinjuns | December 16, 2008 7:17 AM | Report abuse

"I think that's all a part of me being the major part of this decline is just making sure that I take responsibility for being the head football coach," Zorn said. "I think a lot does fall on my shoulders, and I feel sick to my stomach even thinking about having to go and do this evaluation."

Zorn should have done that 4-5 games ago instead of just blaming the players.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 16, 2008 7:23 AM | Report abuse

, so jam your knee-jerk reactions, toss some cold water on that boner you got from thinking you had a "gotcha" moment, and go back to sniffing bicycles seats, you frigging idiot.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 16, 2008 1:55 AM |

I got a hardy chuckle out of that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 16, 2008 7:28 AM | Report abuse

And once again Wilbon writes a column that is not worth reading....

Posted by: driley | December 16, 2008 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Wilbon is such a piece of garbage...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 16, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Strange, strange, strange. I read where Zorn said he has to take a very critical look at himself, but every time an issue was mentioned, he said he didn't think it was a problem....not much of a critical look. He said he's not wearing too many hats; his players are giving it all they've got; his communication with the players doesn't seem to be a problem; the coaches are working hard; the owners are being very supportive. Well that doesn't leave much, does it? That leaves four remaining factors that have to be addressed: (1) The fans. Is it their fault? Albeit a ton of terrible towels at a Monday night home game was pretty crappy, it seems the fans have been forking over the cash for a number of years for a less-than-stellar franchise. (2) The weather. Have the 'Skins been forced to play in conditions no other team has faced? Uh ,nope. (3) The vendors. It's hard to call plays and execute them precisely with some idiot hawking hot dogs and red licorice. Pretty dang distracting. (4) The field. Has the team been forced to play on surfaces that resemble downtown Baghdad in 2003? I think not. So then I think we all agree it's the vendors. Cancel their contracts and prepare for a whopping 19-0 run in 2009.

Posted by: davebutz | December 16, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

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