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Thrash, Kelly Injuries Weaken WR Corps

The Redskins are in a bit of a bind at wide receiver because James Thrash and Malcolm Kelly missed practice with ankle injuries. Thrash was not on the field at all; Kelly tried to practice, Jim Zorn said afterward, but was unable to do so.

If they are unable to practice Thursday the Redskins will strongly consider activating one of their practice-squad receivers: Devin Aromashodu or Horace Gant. The Redskins did not work out any receiver free agents this week, and are looking from within. Zorn said he does not know the severity of Thrash's high ankle sprain, though he believes Kelly is making progress.

That leaves rookie Devin Thomas, who has lagged in learning this offense, as the potential No. 3 WR Sunday. Zorn has said Thomas is really only comfortable running deep routes at this point, but as the No. 3 WR he would be on the field a lot. Zorn is hoping he's a quick study this week. "The more reps he gets out here, the better he's learning," Zorn said.

The lack of depth at receiver right now is also affecting the return game. Starting receiver Antwaan Randle El is struggling as a punt returner, and Zorn said starting receiver Santana Moss will also likely field some punts against Arizona. But those two are already on the field a ton in the base offense, with so few capable reserves behind them as Thomas and Kelly try to get up to speed in the scheme. (Both still are prone to running the incorrect route in practices, coaches said.)

"Every team has it's unique problem situations," Zorn said, "and this is one we are having to deal with."

...

Zorn also addressed the Chris Cooley internet situation for what will probably be the last time. Zorn said there will be no additional disciplinary action for Cooley after the issue was discussed at the team meeting Wednesday morning. Zorn said he does not want players photographing any parts of the playbook, even fairly innocuous quizzes.

"It's just a matter of addressing the team and now he has to move on from there," Zorn said. "There are some adult issues he has to live up to."

...

Linebackers Marcus Washington (hip/hamstring) and Khary Campbell (thigh) took part in practice and hope to play Sunday. Zorn met with his six team captains for a few minutes after practice, wanting to have regular lines of communication and allowing players to make suggestions regarding the schedule of meetings and other daily minutia. "I want to keep an open communication with them," Zorn said.

By Jason La Canfora  |  September 17, 2008; 3:36 PM ET
 
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Comments

Two Words: Billy McMullen

One more word: Seattle

Two more words: oh pooh!

Posted by: The Word Guy | September 17, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Wilson Tigers!

Posted by: Nickels | September 17, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

How does it weaken a receiving corps, when Jason Campbell can't find them to begin with?

Oh yeah, he had one half way decent game against the Ain'ts. Let's crown his butt!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

One Word: First

Posted by: The Word Guy | September 17, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

On a positive note, the beers at Fed-ex field are $12.00 but man are they cold....or so I am told.

Posted by: isnadd | September 17, 2008 3:41 PM

How is $12 for 1 beer a positive? 36 Miller Lite 12 oz cans for $21 vs 1 beer for $8-$12, what a bunch of schnooks!

Posted by: Whambulance | September 17, 2008 3:48 PM

Posted by: Whambulance | September 17, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I may be fat and slow but I can catch a ball. Can I play?

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 17, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

"Zorn has said Thomas is really only comfortable running deep routes at this point"

"as Thomas and Kelly try to get up to speed in the scheme. (Both still are prone to running the incorrect route in practices, coaches said.)"

WTF is wrong with these kids? It's like they've never played the WR position at all.

Posted by: WTF??? | September 17, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

The comments about Kareem Moore on the previous thread had me loling. I suppose I should remind everyone here that I was using that as a hypothetical. Kareem Moore is not now, nor has he ever been, QBing the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: Cindy | September 17, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Billy McMullen actually made the ESPN list for top recievers in the league (see link below). Hmm, I don't see any of our draft picks on the list. Way to go Vinny!

http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/football/ffl/story?page=week3wrranks

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

But I'll bet he's returning punts!

Posted by: cload & daggar | September 17, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

As 1st reported by ESPNs John Clayton, Kareem Moore is not now, nor has he ever been, QBing the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, FoxSports is reporting that Kareem Moore is the Illegitimate son of Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Demi Moore.

Can you confirm?

Posted by: isnadd | September 17, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

stupid is as stupid does

Posted by: isnadd | September 17, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Zorn said starting receiver Santana Moss will also likely field some punts against Arizona

NNNNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

"Zorn has said Thomas is really only comfortable running deep routes at this point"

"as Thomas and Kelly try to get up to speed in the scheme. (Both still are prone to running the incorrect route in practices, coaches said.)"

WTF is wrong with these kids? It's like they've never played the WR position at all.

Posted by: WTF??? |

Posted by: lsskinsfan | September 17, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Zorn said he is warming up the seat for Bill Cowher.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I got a solution for JZ, start teaching cooley and Davis how to play the slot.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 17, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I have a suggestion for JZ...

Mike Sellers in the flat.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"Zorn has said Thomas is really only comfortable running deep routes at this point"

"as Thomas and Kelly try to get up to speed in the scheme. (Both still are prone to running the incorrect route in practices, coaches said.)"

WTF is wrong with these kids? It's like they've never played the WR position at all.

Posted by: WTF??? |

Sorry about the previous post,

Desean Jackson sure looked good for the Eagles. VC is so overrated. Kelly and Thomas need to get serious. Is there an equivalent test to the wunderlich for WR's?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | September 17, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Al Zeke, trying to follow your maths, it looks like a turnover is the equivalent of 50 yards based only on the Saints/Skins game. n of 1.

Posted by: dcsween | September 17, 2008 3:29 PM

Been playing around with that concept for a few years now ... just using last week as a sample case. It holds up pretty well. Next week is when you learn that 15 yards equates roughly to 1 point.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 17, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

have a suggestion for JZ...

Mike Sellers in the flat.

Posted by: Sports_Guru

Sellers is big and slow! Need big and fast.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | September 17, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Zorn said starting receiver Santana Moss will also likely field some punts against Arizona


NNNNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 4:00 PM

This is such a bad idea.

Posted by: Fair Catch | September 17, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

The equivalent test to the wunderlich for receivers is to be questionable in college, woo Jason Campbell, and get big moey from The Danny, while not playing.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I think Jason's article in this morning's paper was unneccesary in seemingly making fun of Joe Gibbs' Christianity. The comment about praying for an injured linebacker or a wide receiver with a bone bruise...I don't recall Gibbs ever asking fans for prayer about player injuries (except of course the tragic shooting of Sean Taylor). I thought that comment was unneccesary and out of line. Gibbs never did that!

Posted by: teechur | September 17, 2008 2:45 PM

Ok, I don't read the Posts' Sports Section anymore so I didn't know what you were talking about.

This (the above refenced article) is the reason I don't read the sports section anymore. This is the most biased piece of work I may have seen in the sports section.

Yes, Gibbs did ask us fans to pray for injured players. So, what's the big deal on that???

Gibbs wouldn't give reporters what they wanted and now Zorn is giving too much.

And, JLaC continues to push this lie that Zorn took fault for not hurrying up in the 4th QTR Giants Game. At no time has he admitted this. I watched the JZ show with George Michaels which was a week later and he is sstill peddling the excuse that he didn't want to give the Giants the ball back with alot of time left. That's why I keep saying this dude must've thought we were down by one score (8 points instead of 9).

Every Coach does Coach Speak. He should know not to get too cozy with the Coach before he starts believing everything that comes out of his mouth............

I could rant on about this but I'll stop since everyone seems to be on the other side of the fence on this issue, save for teechur.........

Posted by: 4th | September 17, 2008 3:49 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

have a suggestion for JZ...

Mike Sellers in the flat.

Posted by: Sports_Guru

Sellers is big and slow! Need big and fast.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | September 17, 2008 4:04 PM

For the slot, yes. However, coming out of the back field after a chip block or no block at all, he is perfect!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Guru,

You may be right. The talent evaluators for the Skins have been below average for some time.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | September 17, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Alex's mamma so fat, they filmed the movie Gorilla's In The Mist in her shower...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Skins are scoring 1 point for every 18 yards.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 17, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Zorn said starting receiver Santana Moss will also likely field some punts against Arizona

NNNNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 4:00 PM

Agreed!!!!!! Zorn needs to give John Taylor a call and ask what punt returns did to his career as a WR.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 17, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Sports_Guru, you're a moron. Jason Campbell has completed his passes at better that 60% accuracy for the past two seasons. Guess which quarterback can't claim to have come close to that at any point in his career?

Eli Manning.

Troll. Shut up.

Posted by: oh please | September 17, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Guru,

You may be right. The talent evaluators for the Skins have been below average for some time.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | September 17, 2008 4:07 PM

I'm not sure how to change that. It seems The Danny is fine making tons of revenue off the team. Perhaps winning would somehow cause him to make less. Not sure. Why else would he keep the front office as is?

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs wouldn't give reporters what they wanted and now Zorn is giving too much

He doesn't give too much IMO, it's very refreshing from the stoic faced JG.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | September 17, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Devin Thomas catch a Short 5 yarder??

JZ has this coach cpeak that the reporters are unfamilar with.

Posted by: 4th | September 17, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

One has to wonder if we lost El and Moss how Thomas and Kelly would be performing. As they would be forced to play more or less.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 17, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Sports_Guru, you're a moron. Jason Campbell has completed his passes at better that 60% accuracy for the past two seasons. Guess which quarterback can't claim to have come close to that at any point in his career?

Eli Manning.

Troll. Shut up.

Posted by: oh please | September 17, 2008 4:08 PM

Would Eli trade his super bowl ring for Jason Campbell's completion percentage over the past two years?

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Next week is when you learn that 15 yards equates roughly to 1 point.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 17, 2008 4:03 PM

How far is that in bonus points?

Posted by: dcsween | September 17, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Skins are scoring 1 point for every 18 yards.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 17, 2008 4:08 PM

About right. My 15 yards is the equivalent of 1 point is inherently imperfect, as certain yards are clearly more valuable than others. There are some other subtle things (like would a 15 yard sack be -1 point for the offense or plus 1 for the defense).

But more on that next week

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 17, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Would Eli trade his super bowl ring for Jason Campbell's completion percentage over the past two years?

Posted by: Sports_Guru


you bet your A**, anon, oh please, 4th, al zeke etc.. would give their left nut to have a SB championship with Eli, instead of the superior percentage'd QB.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | September 17, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Those of you who just don't understand football and what it means to learn a system need to sit on your hands and quit posting. Dumb questions need not be asked.

Posted by: Gfunk | September 17, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I don't award bonus points for yards gained. Jeez Sween, try to keep up

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 17, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I like the HC of my team giving as few details as possible if that coach thinks it gives the team a better chance of winning.

Also, every coach talks up the next opponent. Gibbs just did a rgeat job at it.......

Posted by: 4th | September 17, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Those of you who just don't understand football and what it means to learn a system need to sit on your hands and quit posting. Dumb questions need not be asked.

Posted by: Gfunk | September 17, 2008 4:15 PM

You obviously don't understand this blog

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 17, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

How does it weaken a receiving corps, when Jason Campbell can't find them to begin with?

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 3:48 PM

If by can't find them you mean he's hit 10 different WRs this year, then you're spot on.

Posted by: psps23 | September 17, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I am of the opinion that Kelly and Thomas could be starting if they absolutely have to. JZ just wants them to earn their stripes, especially when we have a vet WR who can play the slot and block well in Thrash.

I guarantee Thomas if playing the 3rd wr gets at least three balls his way. I dont think we have looked thrashs way that often yet anyway and Cooley, Moss and El are all playing fine.

Now if any of those 3 go down we could be in a little trouble.

Posted by: Zebra | September 17, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly=Dumb and (Delicate) Dumber

Posted by: Bill | September 17, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Taint,
When you watch the redskins play a football game, do you cheer when they do a bad play and boo when a good play?

Posted by: Spoken, and so it shall be | September 17, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

If by can't find them you mean he's hit 10 different WRs this year, then you're spot on.

Posted by: psps23 | September 17, 2008 4:17 PM

He hit ten receivers, including TE's WR's and RB's not ten WR's.

Sorry its semantics...

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 17, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I don't award bonus points for yards gained. Jeez Sween, try to keep up

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 17, 2008 4:15 PM

How about for a sack? a safety? a stole?

Posted by: dcsween | September 17, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Those of you who just don't understand football and what it means to learn a system need to sit on your hands and quit posting. Dumb questions need not be asked.

Posted by: Gfunk | September 17, 2008 4:15 PM

Sonny Jugenson on Jason Campbell learning the new system on Redskins Report, "We're not talking rocket science here"

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Taint,
When you watch the redskins play a football game, do you cheer when they do a bad play and boo when a good play?

Posted by: Spoken, and so it shall be | September 17, 2008 4:19 PM

Nope, but when Jason Campbell does a half way decent job, I shutter to think that it may take 4 more strait losses to replace him.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

He hit ten receivers, including TE's WR's and RB's not ten WR's.

Sorry its semantics...

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 17, 2008 4:19 PM

Excuse my rushed post. He's hit 10 different receivers. The point remains the same.

Posted by: psps23 | September 17, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I'll be seeing Joe Gibbs soon enough.

All hail!!!

Posted by: 666 | September 17, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Excuse my rushed post. He's hit 10 different receivers. The point remains the same.

Posted by: psps23 | September 17, 2008 4:22 PM

Thank you.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 17, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Someone needs to introduce Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly to a little something i like to call: CUE CARDS.

I mean really, how hard is it to memorize routes. Morons.

Posted by: Ben | September 17, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

He hit ten receivers, including TE's WR's and RB's not ten WR's.

Sorry its semantics...

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 17, 2008 4:19 PM

Excuse my rushed post. He's hit 10 different receivers. The point remains the same.

Posted by: psps23 | September 17, 2008 4:22 PM

Yet we had to settle for field goals, how many times?

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

If Devin Thomas is only good at running deep routes...well then send his a$$ on fly patterns all day long!! Let's hope he gets open a few times, but if not it will at least be good conditioning work for that out of shape rookie.

Posted by: Chris | September 17, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Taint,
When you watch the redskins play a football game, do you cheer when they do a bad play and boo when a good play?

Posted by: Spoken, and so it shall be | September 17, 2008 4:19 PM

Nope, but when Jason Campbell does a half way decent job, I shutter to think that it may take 4 more strait losses to replace him.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:22 PM

You must be a miserable wretch of a taint to watch a game with.

Posted by: Spoken, and so it shall be | September 17, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

mean really, how hard is it to memorize routes. Morons.

Posted by: Ben | September 17, 2008 4:23 PM

He hit ten receivers, including TE's WR's and RB's not ten WR's.

Sorry its semantics...

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 17, 2008 4:19 PM

Excuse my rushed post. He's hit 10 different receivers. The point remains the same.

Posted by: psps23 | September 17, 2008 4:22 PM

Yet we had to settle for field goals, how many times?

Posted by: Sports_Guru |

Exactly! on both posts!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | September 17, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

This blog was once useful. Now it's just a bunch of pissing contests among cowards. All y'all...go eat a bag of dicks...

Posted by: My Butt Is More Interesting Than This Blog | September 17, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Alex's mama so fat, she's....she's...Tank Johnson

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Nope, but when Jason Campbell does a half way decent job, I shutter to think that it may take 4 more strait losses to replace him.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:22 PM

And there we have it. He/She is not a Redskins fan. He'd rather lose with JC than win with JC. That's all that needs to be said.

How can one "shutter" anyway? I wasn't aware nouns were interchangeable with adjectives.

Posted by: psps23 | September 17, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

how many general routs are there for a wide receiver in the offense...

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 17, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Sports_Guru, you're a moron. Jason Campbell has completed his passes at better that 60% accuracy for the past two seasons. Guess which quarterback can't claim to have come close to that at any point in his career?

Eli Manning.

Troll. Shut up.

Posted by: oh please | September 17, 2008 4:08 PM

Ok This is the dumbest comment of the day...Please don't compare our QB to a QB who just won the damn Superbowl and was MVP...You make your self look really stupid.

Posted by: Leevi | September 17, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Len Pasquerelli is reporting that Skins will place Malcolm Kelly on I.R.

Posted by: Anthony Mix | September 17, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Sports, sorry, it strikes me as weird that you reference the skins as we... you really dont seem to be a fan...

Posted by: Zebra | September 17, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

And does a Strait loss have anything to do with a straitjacket? or George Strait?

Posted by: John D in Houston | September 17, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Yet we had to settle for field goals, how many times?

Posted by: Sports_Guru |

Exactly! on both posts!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | September 17, 2008 4:25 PM

Sooo, 5 field goals and 3 TDs are not enough? That's a pace that would break the single season scoring record.

Effing amateurs.

Posted by: psps23 | September 17, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

What alternative to Campbell are these idiots offering? If it's Collins, they didn't watch him try to run this offense in the preseason. If it's Colt, they're just crazy.

Of course Eli's superbowl ring is more important than his completion percentage. Do I think the Redskins would have a better chance of winning the Superbowl with Eli than with Campbell? No. I don't. He doesn't do anything better than Campbell (he does several things worse), he simply found himself in a better position. The Giants owe that championship to three things: (1) the cowboys tendency to choke on turkey; and (2) the Giants defense stepping up immensely in the preseason; and (3) Asante Samuel inexplicably dropping a terrible interception thrown by Eli late in the Superbowl.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 17, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Bering Strait?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Ok This is the dumbest comment of the day...Please don't compare our QB to a QB who just won the damn Superbowl and was MVP...You make your self look really stupid.

Posted by: Leevi | September 17, 2008 4:26 PM

Um, not really, especially when he won the Super Bowl during a year in which he had a lower QB rating than our own JC.

I guess you'd probably say not to compare Sean Taylor's career to Dexter Jackson's because ST never won a super bowl MVP either.

Effing amateurs.

Posted by: psps23 | September 17, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Straits of Fire

Posted by: John D in Houston | September 17, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Sports, sorry, it strikes me as weird that you reference the skins as we... you really dont seem to be a fan...

Posted by: Zebra | September 17, 2008 4:27 PM

I am a fan in the truest sense. I don't just stand behind an unproven QB, because Vinny Ceratto tells me to.

I want this team to be elite, not just go 9-7 and lose in the playoffs. To be elite, we need a QB with that special something. Jason Campbell is average at best. On our roster, we have one man that may have that special something, and he's Colt Brennan.

If we wait to replace Jason Campbell, we will waste yet another season.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

And to add onto another comment, if all we got were FG's, then yes there would be cause for concern.

If we just had to hold onto a lead in the 2nd half and the o was kinda chucking it around, still maybe worried. But we put up 21 pts, 3 td's after being down at half.

To me that signals good things.

Will it work everytime, no. But with our D playing pretty well, then i can see us consistently putting up 21 pts each game. Which we all were begging for last year.

Posted by: Zebra | September 17, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I guess we also shouldn't compare Art Monk to Desmond Howard. I mean Howard was a superbowl MVP so he's clearly superior.

This is such a stupid argument. Trent Dilfer one a superbowl, but if you're starting a franchise so you want him or Dan Marino? Are you saying Eli was the best QB in the league last year because he's the only one that was SB MVP last year? Ridiculous.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 17, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Ok sports, to summize your point

1) I am the truest type of fan

2) Vinny is the only one saying JC is good, therefore I ignore others who know a F load more about football than myself and think he is good as well.

3) The only QB who could possibly be good on this roster is an unproven rook from Hawaii

4) And bc he is so good, we should throw him in the fire before he has a good grasp of the Playbook and hope it doesnt kill his confidence.

That a good summation? Really, dude, seriously....

Posted by: Zebra | September 17, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Taint,
that's why you're taint. I'll trust Jimzorn's judgement over the judgement of a taint any day forever when it comes to NFL QB talent.

Posted by: Spoken, and so it shall be | September 17, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

I am a fan in the truest sense. I don't just stand behind an unproven QB, because Vinny Ceratto tells me to.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:32 PM

No, you stand behind an unproven, lowly rated, injury-prone, not-talented-enough to be drafted in the top 150 picks Quarterback, despite the guidance given from former NFL quarterback and QB coaching guru Jim Zorn.

But, yea, you don't want to throw away the season.

Posted by: psps23 | September 17, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Note to Jim Zorn; What are you thinking? Don't tell me you want Santana to field punts are you goofy? in case you haven't noticed he's your best receiver he's your best downfield threat and you want him to risk season ending injury,that decesion could be your ticket out of town,don't do it coach the season is to long you will have the shortest tenure in NFL history if you pull that goofball stunt.

Posted by: dargregmag@aol.com | September 17, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

IIIIIIIIII
TTTTTTTTTT
AAAAAAAAAA

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I want this team to be elite, not just go 9-7 and lose in the playoffs. To be elite, we need a QB with that special something. Jason Campbell is average at best. On our roster, we have one man that may have that special something, and he's Colt Brennan.

If we wait to replace Jason Campbell, we will waste yet another season.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:32 PM

We havent seen ONE THING that would indicate Colt could out-perform Campbell now or ever. Did you see the way he throws? He cannot get it done right now.

You are part of the problem. Not sticking with one system or one player long enough for it to develop into something is the main problem with this franchise. Campbell is in his SECOND full season as starter. His SECOND! Give him a chance to develop in this offense. Don't start from scratch every time we aren't IMMEDIATELY blowing teams out.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 17, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Sports_Guru,

I am not convinced that Campbell is the answer at QB either, but you are way off base starting Colt Brennan in an NFL game.

If, and let's hope it doesn't, the season goes downhill and we find ourselves with a 2- 10 record, would I get Colt some playing time...absolutely.

Week 1 the whole team looked like crap. Campbell's woes were more due to his receivers dropping balls and the offensive line not giving him time.

Week 2 he looked like an All-Pro back there. I'd like to give him the rest of this season to prove what he can do.

That's just me.

Oh, and I love Fed Ex Field.
I love puppies.

Posted by: isnadd | September 17, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Or to put it another way - Sports - you can say you have a feeling that JC does not have that special something - but there is no way - I repeat NO WAY - given the limited amount of evidence so far to use that you can state with anything other than your gut feel that JC will not have that special something that it takes to be a top of the line NFL QB - it's not fair to make the judgement call right now with any absolute certainty. The stats do not bear out that he will be an average QB, and while some great quarterbacks performed admirably in their first year, some took 2 - 3 years to put it all together.

So tell us it's your gut - but your gut does not have enough information to be so sure of itself

Posted by: John D in Houston | September 17, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Taint,
that's why you're taint. I'll trust Jimzorn's judgement over the judgement of a taint any day forever when it comes to NFL QB talent.

Posted by: Spoken, and so it shall be | September 17, 2008 4:36 PM

Not me. I trust my own two eyes.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

++Skins are scoring 1 point for every 18 yards.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 17, 2008 4:08 PM++

That includes state and federal taxes.

Posted by: Corkczar | September 17, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I ate chili for lunch, my gut's pretty sure of itself right now.

Posted by: T.M.I. | September 17, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Not me. I trust my own two eyes.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:43 PM

You should blind yourself before they make you look any more foolish.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 17, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Or to put it another way - Sports - you can say you have a feeling that JC does not have that special something - but there is no way - I repeat NO WAY - given the limited amount of evidence so far to use that you can state with anything other than your gut feel that JC will not have that special something that it takes to be a top of the line NFL QB - it's not fair to make the judgement call right now with any absolute certainty. The stats do not bear out that he will be an average QB, and while some great quarterbacks performed admirably in their first year, some took 2 - 3 years to put it all together.

So tell us it's your gut - but your gut does not have enough information to be so sure of itself

Posted by: John D in Houston | September 17, 2008 4:42 PM

Don't you think we would have seen some consistency by now, if he had that special something to guide an elite team?

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

And Eli is point one against us needing an Elite QB... especially to win a superbowl.

You know what I would love? I proven commodity at QB that doesnt change, so we have some stability there and we can work on other positions of need.

If it is JC, fine, but nothing after two games can be evaluated.

Posted by: Zebra | September 17, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

if he had that special something to guide an elite team?

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:46 PM

Taint,
we don't have now, nor have we had at any time during his tenure here, an elite team surrounding him, by any stretch of the imagination.

Posted by: Spoken, and so it shall be | September 17, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

And Eli is point one against us needing an Elite QB... especially to win a superbowl.

You know what I would love? I proven commodity at QB that doesnt change, so we have some stability there and we can work on other positions of need.

If it is JC, fine, but nothing after two games can be evaluated.

Posted by: Zebra | September 17, 2008 4:46 PM

Eli must have a special something, because the guy got it done.

Stability at the cost of winning games is a fool's endeavor.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

sports_guru(SG), listen if you're complaining about JC and then at the same time want to start colt brenan then you've completely missed the point. the point is that the gm sucks. so by you saying that colt brenan is better than jc then you're saying colt brenan, a 6th rounder after durant shanky brooks, was a good pick by vinny?

i've always said jc is not the answer. but for you to come here and say jc is not the answer after what he did in that 4th quarter regardless of the situation (playing against 3rd stringers) is just dumb. i'm not calling you dumb. i'm just saying you should wait maybe after the arizona game when he actually does bad...

i want to see jc to do more of what he did in the 4th quarter to actually say "i was wrong about jc"...right now i'm on the "hold" position...i'm not buying or selling as of today. maybe it was a fluke, a prefect storm situation, maybe not.

as the tuna said once you are what your record is...so we will know what jc is at the end of the season.

and here's vinny's record...after concentrating the whole friggin draft on WR's...they still have only 2 WR's for sunday's game. "wow! just wow!"...

Posted by: dealer | September 17, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

if he had that special something to guide an elite team?

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:46 PM

Taint,
we don't have now, nor have we had at any time during his tenure here, an elite team surrounding him, by any stretch of the imagination.


Posted by: Spoken, and so it shall be | September 17, 2008 4:48 PM

With the right guy at QB, we may become one.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

It was up to Jason Campbell.

Faced with a 2nd-and-22, Campbell threw downfield to Chris Cooley for a 23-yard gain. It was a pivotal play, leading to a Redskins touchdown as they rallied for a 29-24 win.

“Jason made the play, he really did,” Zorn said. “I called a different play and he adapted a similar concept to a different formation, got the protection right, got the play run and threw a strike to Cooley. That was all Jason. I had nothing to do with that play.”

Zorn credited Campbell for his on-field leadership.

"He helped me out of a bind," Zorn said. "For however [the play] got communicated, it didn’t get communicated efficiently or quick enough, and that’s my problem. And he got me out of the problem. Hopefully you never have that happen, but that’s what a good quarterback can do. He had my back."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Don't you think we would have seen some consistency by now, if he had that special something to guide an elite team?

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:46 PM

Consistency? Like what?

Like having >60% completion? Like having zero turnovers in 63 pass attempts? Like throwing TDs to your top WR? Like hitting you top 2 WRs an average of 11.5 receptions a game combined? Like making progressive reads to hit 10 different receivers in two games? What kind of consistency are you talking about?

Posted by: psps23 | September 17, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Don't you think we would have seen some consistency by now, if he had that special something to guide an elite team?

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:46 PM

No, actually. I think if he were going to be in the class of Marino, P. Manning, or Brady, we would have seen it, but if you need one of those guys to win a ring, it could be a while. Just because he hasn't been consistent yet doesn't mean he can't get the job done. Heck, E. Manning STILL hasn't shown any consistency and he's already got the ring.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 17, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

"sports_guru(SG), listen if you're complaining about JC and then at the same time want to start colt brenan then you've completely missed the point. the point is that the gm sucks. so by you saying that colt brenan is better than jc then you're saying colt brenan, a 6th rounder after durant shanky brooks, was a good pick by vinny? "

Excellent point, but I do feel he may be better than JC for us.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Where are we not winning games? Stable system, stable qb.. lets see

Farve (GB)
Romo
McNabb
Cutler
Hasselbeck
Brady
Both Mannings

I could go on. But again, rating a QB after two games in yr one of a new system is asinine.

Maybe Colt has that special something you see, but you dont give up on your Frachise QB with his salary until you know he cant do it. And YOU dont know he cant do it. You are guessing....

Posted by: Zebra | September 17, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

+++Nope, but when Jason Campbell does a half way decent job, I shutter to think that it may take 4 more strait losses to replace him.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:22 PM+++

You're right Bozo. If the Skins lose to Dallas and Phila, it's ALL Campbell's fault. It has NOTHING to do with pathetic drafting, including two new WRs who can't stay7 healthy and/or learn the offense.

It has NOTHING to do with the fact that Dallas brings in TO and Desean as targets and Cerrato brings in Brandon Lloyd and three guys who can't get on the field.

It's Campbell's fault the skins have the one of the oldest and lightest lines in the NFL and DE's who could star as Munchkins in a remake of Wizard of Oz.

It;s a damn shame RI isn't like the NFL teams--this roster needs trimming.

Posted by: Corkczar | September 17, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Not me. I trust my own two eyes.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:43 PM


People say believe half of what you see, son
and none of what you hear

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 17, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I don't want to sound like a know it all here like I'm often accused of, but it seems to me, if you only have two wideouts who are healthy and smart enough to play, why in the hell would you play either on any special teams plays period.....that's moronic....use Rock or Betts or Tryon, or Lorenzo Alexander or anybody but our only two good receivers!

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 17, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

What kind of consistency are you talking about?

Posted by: psps23 | September 17, 2008 4:51 PM
Touchdowns in the red zones.

4th quarter comebacks.

Winning games.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Eli must have a special something, because the guy got it done.

Stability at the cost of winning games is a fool's endeavor.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:49 PM

Nope. Dilfer - not special (the antithesis of special) - has a ring.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 17, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I T T
{Ignore The Taint}

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

but you dont give up on your Frachise QB with his salary until you know he cant do it. And YOU dont know he cant do it. You are guessing....


Posted by: Zebra | September 17, 2008 4:53 PM

I am also looking at Heath Shuler, Patrick Ramsey, etc. I don't want us to go down the same path.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Alot of other teams use one of their best players to return punts. You just watched reggie bush return a punt last week.

Posted by: Pleeps | September 17, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Eli must have a special something, because the guy got it done.

Stability at the cost of winning games is a fool's endeavor.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:49 PM

Nope. Dilfer - not special (the antithesis of special) - has a ring.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 17, 2008 4:55 PM

True, but we passed on Dilfer to draft Heath Shuler. How did that work out for us?

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

y'all just keep on blogging. I'm gonna stay in that Marvin Gaye groove I posted at 4:53 for a little while longer

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 17, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Alot of other teams use one of their best players to return punts. You just watched reggie bush return a punt last week.

Posted by: Pleeps | September 17, 2008 4:57 PM

True, I wonder what we would have been like if Darrel Green had been a full time punt returner!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

JAYZIS!!!!!!!

I T A
I T A
I T A

or

I T T
I T T
I T T

just stop engaging the troll

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Sorry anon

I am also looking at Heath Shuler, Patrick Ramsey, etc. I don't want us to go down the same path.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:56 P

Yet you want to do to Colt exactly what we did to Ramsey?

Posted by: Zebra | September 17, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I am also looking at Heath Shuler, Patrick Ramsey, etc. I don't want us to go down the same path.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:56 PM

Nobody does, but the fact is we still don't know about JC (and I have been extremely critical and said if he struggles and the team is going nowhere by midseason pull him) but you don't pull a guy for an old guy or a 6th round overhyped pick who you don't know what you're getting (may be great, may not, even though I think one day he will be a starter) after the guy just threw for over 300 yards and led a 4th quarter comeback. That's just dumb

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 17, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

What kind of consistency are you talking about?

Posted by: psps23 | September 17, 2008 4:51 PM
Touchdowns in the red zones.

4th quarter comebacks.

Winning games.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:54 PM

Broham, there are about 2 of these said qb's in the league. A hand full of qb's drafted in the last ten years have had this quality where do you propse we go to find one? I read over an over again about McNabb being one of the best in the NFL and he NEVER leads his team from behind for a win. You just watched the most recent version of this. If he is one of the best and can't do it don't you think its a quality that is pretty rare to find?

Posted by: Pleeps | September 17, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Touchdowns in the red zones.

Done. Three in the last 2 games.

4th quarter comebacks.

Done. Last game.

Winning games.

We'll see. He was 6-7 last season as a starter. That's not nearly enough time to pass judgment on whether a QB can consistently win.

Everything you've mentioned is a team goal. Everything I mentioned in my earlier post is what Jason Campbell controlled. Funny how you couldn't refute anything there.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Sorry anon

I am also looking at Heath Shuler, Patrick Ramsey, etc. I don't want us to go down the same path.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:56 P

Yet you want to do to Colt exactly what we did to Ramsey?

Posted by: Zebra | September 17, 2008 5:00 PM

Well, Colt was only a 6th round pick, kinda like Frerotte. You have less to lose going with him, and a lot to gain.

Also, I want to trade Campbell while he has a little value. If we hold on to him, let him learn a lesson by benching him. Perhaps, it will be the kick he needs to push him to the next level, but I doubt it.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

True, but we passed on Dilfer to draft Heath Shuler. How did that work out for us?

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:57 PM

Just about the same as it did for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who drafted Dilfer? What's your point?

Posted by: psps23 | September 17, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

What kind of consistency are you talking about?

Posted by: psps23 | September 17, 2008 4:51 PM
Touchdowns in the red zones.

4th quarter comebacks.

Winning games.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:54 PM

Broham, there are about 2 of these said qb's in the league. A hand full of qb's drafted in the last ten years have had this quality where do you propse we go to find one? I read over an over again about McNabb being one of the best in the NFL and he NEVER leads his team from behind for a win. You just watched the most recent version of this. If he is one of the best and can't do it don't you think its a quality that is pretty rare to find?

Posted by: Pleeps | September 17, 2008 5:00 PM

Rare, true. Yet, we lose the opportunity of knowing about Colt, by sticking with Jason Campbell.

Opportunity cost.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

the guy just threw for over 300 yards and led a 4th quarter comeback. That's just dumb

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 17, 2008 5:00 PM

Again, we need consitency. He can't win like this one week, and then stink it up for the next 2 weeks.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

McNabb has 11 4th quarter comebacks in his career.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 17, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Everything you've mentioned is a team goal. Everything I mentioned in my earlier post is what Jason Campbell controlled. Funny how you couldn't refute anything there.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 5:01 PM

I give QBs credit for their W/L %. JCs just doesn't cut it. In the end, it's Ws and Ls that matter.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Rare, true. Yet, we lose the opportunity of knowing about Colt, by sticking with Jason Campbell.

Opportunity cost.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 5:05 PM

So, get rid of the guy with a 94 QB rating for the hopes that a 6th round pick becomes one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time.

And you want to talk about opportunity costs?

Posted by: psps23 | September 17, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Isn't ironic that the rookies have to earn the sticker for their helmet, but may have been given a "bye" on their roster spot due to injuries.

Posted by: stumped | September 17, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Don't you think we would have seen some consistency by now, if he had that special something to guide an elite team?

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:46 PM

I think the improvement from 1 game to the next is a good indication.

Let's be really honest, the skins do not have "elite" talent across the entire roster. We have good to above average talent at some of the skill positions.

Keep in mind that EVERY offensive player is learning a new system, not just the QB. Considering the improvement of the ENTIRE offense from week 1 to week 2..I like what I see.

Hey! Gibbs went 0-5 and only improved when his QB and RB sat down with him and FINALLY bought into his scheme. Sounds a little like the "you have to trust me" exchange between Zorn and Campbell last week.

Posted by: lvskins | September 17, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Blah blah blah blah...

Posted by: Blah | September 17, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Sorry anon

I am also looking at Heath Shuler, Patrick Ramsey, etc. I don't want us to go down the same path.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:56 P

Yet you want to do to Colt exactly what we did to Ramsey?

Posted by: Zebra | September 17, 2008 5:00 PM

Colt is more mobile, and can produce when a play breaks down. Plus, Ramsey had no blocking in front of him. Spurrier was the master of hanging Patrick out to dry.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Don't you think we would have seen some consistency by now, if he had that special something to guide an elite team?

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:46 PM

I think the improvement from 1 game to the next is a good indication.

Let's be really honest, the skins do not have "elite" talent across the entire roster. We have good to above average talent at some of the skill positions.

Keep in mind that EVERY offensive player is learning a new system, not just the QB. Considering the improvement of the ENTIRE offense from week 1 to week 2..I like what I see.

Hey! Gibbs went 0-5 and only improved when his QB and RB sat down with him and FINALLY bought into his scheme. Sounds a little like the "you have to trust me" exchange between Zorn and Campbell last week.

Posted by: lvskins | September 17, 2008 5:08 PM

This is true. Stranger things have happened. I am very skeptical, however, that this will happen with Zorn and JC.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Oh Sporty...time for dinner...you can play with your interweb friends tomorrow. Say night-night for now.

Posted by: Sports_Guru's Mom | September 17, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I give QBs credit for their W/L %. JCs just doesn't cut it. In the end, it's Ws and Ls that matter.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 5:07 PM

Good thing you weren't in Indianapolis when Peyton was drafted.

Or in Tampa Bay when Steve Young was drafted.

Or in Dallas when Aikman was drafted.

Or in Denver when Elway was drafted.

(feel free to fill in team name and successful QB who struggled in their first year or two as a starter)

Posted by: psps23 | September 17, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I agree. Ignore the "guru." You can't debate irrational people.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 17, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Sports_Guru's Mom. It IS time for dinner.

Posted by: Shaun Rogers | September 17, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Alot of other teams use one of their best players to return punts. You just watched reggie bush return a punt last week.

Posted by: Pleeps | September 17, 2008 4:57 PM

True, I wonder what we would have been like if Darrel Green had been a full time punt returner!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:58 PM

And the reason Green didn't return punts except in key situations -- injury risk. Couldn't afford to lose him then and can't afford to lose Santana or ARE now.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 17, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

This is true. Stranger things have happened. I am very skeptical, however, that this will happen with Zorn and JC.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 5:10 PM

Look at the command JC had of the offense last week.

Did it take time? Yes.

Were the failures in the red zone all on JC? I doubt it.

Is the O line still a work in progress? Yes.

But when JC hooked up with Cooley for 23 on 2nd and 22 and then audibled the protection needed to complete the bomb to Moss....that shows understanding of the scheme and confidence in executing it.

Posted by: lvskin | September 17, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Actually, you probably could afford to lose me as your return man.

Posted by: Antwaan Randle El | September 17, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

If a practice squad wr gets activated, who gets cut? I'll go with the DE rookie Jackson

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Taint,
how old are you?

Posted by: Spoken, and so it shall be | September 17, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Again, we need consitency. He can't win like this one week, and then stink it up for the next 2 weeks.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 5:06 PM


And you have absolutely no clue what Colt gives you, could he be good? sure, he could also be terrible, you know that JC can be good and its his second game in the system, if he is bad for the next 5 games ok, but not after he just had the best game of his career, I think you're being tongue and cheek, nobody is dumb enough to think its the right time to pull JC for anybody on the 2008 Redskins roster, and a healthy Tom Brady aint walking through that door. Give JC a chance to get a rhythm in the new system, if mid season he looks terrible I'll be the first one on that train, but right now, you're just wrong.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 17, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I can still return kicks and punts, and talk trash to them young'uns.

Posted by: B. Mitch | September 17, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Ok. For entertainment purposes only, here are this week's best 3 plays:

Bills -9.5 (Raiders)
Packers +3 (Cowboys)
New Orleans +5.5 (@Denver)

Enjoy your winnings.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 17, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

horace grant? at least he's tall in the red zone.

Posted by: bill cartwright | September 17, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

couldn't disagree more, Denver is gonna blow out NO and never ever, take a 3 point spread unless you think you're picking the winner cause you don't win pushes and I don't think the pack can beat Dallas. You got the bills right though.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 17, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

correct me if I'm wrong, if they promote somebody from the P-squad (lol) don't they have to cut someone?

Zorn: "Where's Justin Tryon? Anybody? Oh, I didn't see you down there Justin, why don't you stand up when I'm talking to you? Oh you are, nevermind, anyway go learn how to play soccer or something this game is for full-grown people not little people with big mouths."

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 17, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

take your butt out

Posted by: | September 17, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

couldn't disagree more, Denver is gonna blow out NO and never ever, take a 3 point spread unless you think you're picking the winner cause you don't win pushes and I don't think the pack can beat Dallas. You got the bills right though.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 17, 2008 5:32 PM

Bronco's and Cowboys are trap plays this week. Pack will win and Saints will get within the spread. Trust me. I wouldn't lead you wrong.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Can Tryon catch? He's fast at least. Put him to work catching punts. Maybe they could get something out of him yet.

Posted by: skinswest | September 17, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Agree w/other Anon; rookie DE Rob Jackson gets cut for p-squad WR; Jackson goes to p-squad

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

LET ROCK RETURN PUNTS!

Posted by: laxbigj | September 17, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Jansen for PR!
Earn that $$$$$$$$

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

What about Rock or Betts as a punt returner? Those guys are barely on the field compared to ARE and Moss.

Posted by: David | September 17, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

So why should we expect JC to be consistent when nothing around him has been consistent? 7 systems in 9 years including 3 vastly differnt pro systems is not consistent. The guy has shown some great flashes and has shown some bad stuff too. He has taken care of the ball in two games this year which shows improvement. They moved the ball very well (albeit against a bad defense) this week. There is improvement and you can tell he's working at it. Look at Hasselbeck's track record. It doesn't happen over night.

On another note, Santana Moss should not be running back punts. He's our second best offensive player and he's injury prone. DO NOT PUT HIM ON SPECIAL TEAMS!!!! ARE shouldn't be doing it either. He's too important as a second option and he's feast or famine with too many famines. Wasn't Tryon a good returner in college? Maybe he's better at that then covering receivers...

Lastly, I'm excited about this defense. Without two starters they held a very good offense in check. Let's see what happens with this SS position.

Posted by: chicagoskinsfan | September 17, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Sports_Guru. Funny how you bash the man but how good would Brady or Manning be if they had 9 different systems to learn in 10 years? Your just a idiot fan, which means you dont know what your talking about. Its Snyder's fault that Campbell is in this situation. He was learning Gibbs' offense just fine before he got hurt and if he had the same system as last year they would all be more consistent. Get your facts straight before you speak out your *$$!

Posted by: mac | September 17, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I think Jason's article in this morning's paper was unneccesary in seemingly making fun of Joe Gibbs' Christianity. The comment about praying for an injured linebacker or a wide receiver with a bone bruise...I don't recall Gibbs ever asking fans for prayer about player injuries (except of course the tragic shooting of Sean Taylor). I thought that comment was unneccesary and out of line. Gibbs never did that!

Posted by: teechur | September 17, 2008 2:45 PM

I haven't read the article, but there is nothing wrong about praying for an injured player or a player without an injury for that matter. I am sure Gibb's would rather be criticized for his faith or praying than for many other things.

Posted by: M | September 17, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

John - Good to see you are okay. We are too - just some wet carpets and lucky enough to have both water and power (AND TV!) and got internet/phone tomorrow. Office by the Galleria/Memorial Drive has no power - think it will be that way for the rest of week.

I missed most of the excitement since I was in DC for the game (overnight trip turned into a 4 day one!)

BUT I missed so much! CP and Brian Mitchell, Cooley's junk, :)

Posted by: suzannepdc | September 17, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

I am a fan in the truest sense.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2008 4:32 PM

Has blades, spins, blows wind, sometimes occillates. Got.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

McNabb has 11 4th quarter comebacks in his career.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 17, 2008 5:07 PM

But if you cut his body in half, he has over 200 rings. That's almost as many as McCain. You can count them. The rings don't lie.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 17, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Stop defending Jason Campbell,this Guru is an idiot he's got all of you defending JC and based on what? two games JC is going to be fine the fact that he has grasped different systems since he's come into the league speaks volumes about his ability physically and mentally and this past Sunday was a defining moment in his maturation process I for one appreciate everyone,i know we got his "back" just ignore the so called guru's post and lets get ready for Cardinal's.

Posted by: dargregmag@aol.com | September 17, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

"Every team has it's unique problem situations," Zorn said, "and this is one we are having to deal with."

Of course not every team is dumb enough to cut a reciever who had a camp and was as productive as Billy McMullen.

Our front office ineptitude is our team's most consistent attribute.

Posted by: Redskinrex | September 17, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

"Zorn has said Thomas is really only comfortable running deep routes at this point"

"as Thomas and Kelly try to get up to speed in the scheme. (Both still are prone to running the incorrect route in practices, coaches said.)"

WTF is wrong with these kids? It's like they've never played the WR position at all.

Posted by: WTF??? |

Sorry about the previous post,

Desean Jackson sure looked good for the Eagles. VC is so overrated. Kelly and Thomas need to get serious. Is there an equivalent test to the wunderlich for WR's?


Posted by: lsskinsfan | September 17, 2008 4:03 PM

Yeah, we should have drafted DeSean Jackson, then we'd have the smallest single group of 3 WRs in NFL history! We all know everyone would have ripped VC and DS up and down had they drafted him because of this, and rightfully so. 2 games does not a career make, give our rooks a chance before we all turn on them around here.

Posted by: Spill your lasagna don't get any on ya | September 17, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

We must be curse! desean jackson, eddie royal are tearing the nfl. and we have two that can't even stay healthy for at least a week. oh did I mention that these 2 players were picked way after ours?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

"...The lack of depth at receiver right now..."

Did you ever think you would hear/see that phrase after Vinny's draft?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

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