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This Week's Agenda for Redskins, NFL

This Week in the NFL: It's a quiet one for the Redskins, who have mandatory organized team activities June 1-4 and 8-11. NFL owners will meet in Florida to discuss, among other things, labor and economic issues, the longer schedule, rules changes and such. Michael Vick (I believe you are familiar with his work) is to be released from the big house in Kansas and is expected to return to Hampton, Va. We'll see what else is happening.

Occasionally, we like to turn this space over to you for guest blogs. Today's comes from Ted Lorenz:

The Danny vs. The Squire

No other aspect of the Redskins organization has been more prominent than the eventual acquisition of the team by Daniel Snyder, after the death of Jack Kent Cooke, and nothing has so much defined the team's before and after identity.

Where Cooke was, at least in public, endlessly supportive of the people he hired, particularly during difficult times, Snyder has been impulsive; where Cooke seemed to be largely hands-off, Snyder has been intrusive; where Cooke seemed a steady, confident hand on the tiller of ownership, Snyder seems recklessness, insecure in past decisions, indecisive and all over the map, with no evident Master Plan in place, and merely one lurching, expensive high-profile move after another.

The comparison is perhaps more significant than any other in terms of contrast and results, and I would think this a valid topic for discussion

By Cindy Boren  |  May 18, 2009; 9:04 AM ET
 
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Comments

First...and maybe last. This post sucks.

Posted by: JHvet1 | May 18, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Must be Groundhog Day. Haven't we seen this same dialogue over and over again for the last 10 years?!

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | May 18, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

First?

Posted by: parkerdn2000 | May 18, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Not you Cindy... the guest post is what I'm referring to. We all know how lousy things got when D-bag bought the team. An interesting discussion would be how long Jim Zorn actually remains the head coach.

Posted by: JHvet1 | May 18, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Who owned the 'Skins before JKC? Didn't Edward Bennet Williams have a stake?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | May 18, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

boring. Why don't we discuss whether we should have re-signed Antonio Pierce. And what about that second round pick that we threw in the trade for Clinton Portis? Am I the only one who can't decide whether that was a good idea?

Greg must have an opinion. He usually does.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 18, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

"Dude, the regulars here are the lamest people on the face of the planet."


Amen.

There are some lame dudes blogging on this site.

And nothing is as annoying as the preening arrogant tone that guy Moe has.

And what's up with his using the third person so much?

Talk about lame.

Talk about a guy who needs to do his job and stop posting so much.

You'd think the RI Blog Owner would shut him down, but no, they let his 100 word whining posts hit like bird droppings on the shiny windshield of a freshly washed car.

(INSERT loud SPLATT audio and image of Jason La Canfora profanely griping about having to clean up another one of Moe's filthy self-centered offerings.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 18, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

That guest blogger's name must be Captain Obvious...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 18, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for proving my point Cindy

Posted by: Tappahannock | May 18, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

trivial, as in not important, as in a waste of time, as in the redskins and this discussion forum.

Posted by: atidwell | May 18, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Supposing the guest blog's topic was fresh what would there be to discuss? Everyone is in virtual agreement. Do we discuss the similarities? Both are rich, white, male, extremely competetive and root for the burgandy and gold. They both live in big houses.

Just as boring but more of a debate is whether the 'skins ever win a Suber Bowl with the Danny. Again, super boring overly emotional topic bases solely on your make up as an individual.

Posted by: bangkokben | May 18, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I think Jack Kent Cooke was taller than danny too, if this helps the conversation at all.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | May 18, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Yes Owener list goes.
Marshall (start 1937)
Williams (1969)
JKC (1981)
Snyder (1997)


Posted by: alex35332 | May 18, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

So, you're looking for contrasts between Cooke and Snyder? How about this:

Jack Kent Cooke became majority owner of the Redskins when he was 62 years old. He had already been a minority owner for 13 years. Before that he had been an owner of the Toronto Maple Leafs baseball team. He had also been an owner of the Los Angeles Lakers, the Los Angeles Kings (hockey), and the Los Angeles Wolves (soccer). So he arrived at the Redskins with some experience in how to be an owner. He wasn’t learning on the job.

Snyder became owner of the Redskins at the age of 34, with no previous experience in professional sports.

We could also go into their ways with women or the ways they treated their children.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 18, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Once Snyder lost the advice and counsel of his daddy's friends how have things turned out for him? His wonderful business decisions turned 6 Flags into a disaster and the Deadskins have become one of the worst run professional sports franchises in the good ole USA. We have a running back who spouts off because he is the owner's "favorite boy" and a QB who knows his days are numbered. He drafted receivers in 2008 who were injury prone with his sidekick Vinny "The Gerible" Cerrato.

Deadskins will never return to any glory with this little Napleon running things. Short sighted and short don't make for a great team owner. Maybe he should have stayed in college and learned something!

And Deadskin fans have to put up with 40 more years of Danny Boy as owner. Anyone have the over/under and the number of playoff appearances for the Deadskins in the next 40 years I say under five!

Posted by: sheepherder | May 18, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I actually enjoyed seeing Cooke in the locker room gushing about the team after a big win. His “utter –euphoria” and "one hell of a team" quotes are all time greats. When Snyder is down there giving man hugs to everyone, it seems a little too forced, like he read that as CEO, he should be doing things like this….I just cringe when I see him hollerin’ and such…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 18, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

T_E,
Another quick thing we should look at is what they wear to football games.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 18, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

One clutched Super Bowl trophies and the other "wins" for spending the most in the offseason and getting minimal returns.

Next topic, please.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 18, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

His wonderful business decisions turned 6 Flags into a disaster

Posted by: sheepherder | May 18, 2009 10:44 AM

Wrong again. Six Flags was a disaster before he got there. He and his management team prolonged its life with the managerial equivalence of resusciation. This last quarter, for the first time, it turned an operating profit. It's still likely to die, but it wasn't Snyder who killed it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 18, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Maybe the change of the stadium is affecting the game.

Posted by: thor2 | May 18, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Cooke was a smart guy. Not a nice guy, particularly, but a smart one. A lot of his 'supportive' attitude towards the coaches had to do with all those Super Bowl and playoff appearances. That sort of thing makes it a lot easier to be an owner.

But one thing's indisputable: JKC came to the Skins with many, many years of success in sports team development and management. Dan Snyder was a rookie. A fan. He understood marketing and promotion.

So what sort of club do we have now? One that's nicely marketed and promoted.

Question is, out of all the ownership groups, why'd the NFL go with Snyder?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 18, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

"The Danny vs. The Squire"

C'mon, Ted.

No disrespect, but Snyder v. Cooke is the guest post?

To quote the song booming through the ipod, "Whateva, man."

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 18, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Maybe the change of the stadium is affecting the game.

Posted by: thor2 | May 18, 2009 11:01 AM

Maybe, and that change rests solely with Cooke. The dude put his hands all over the mayor's butt (Sharon Pratt Kelly Dixon, "a new broom sweeps clean") and he had to relocate his stadium in East Nowhere, aka, RalJon, Md.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 18, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Question is, out of all the ownership groups, why'd the NFL go with Snyder?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 18, 2009 11:03 AM |

Do you mean, "Why did they select the highest bidder?" Gee, that's a puzzler.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 18, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

one owner earned the respect of having a stadium named after him.

the other would have to pay for the naming rights...

Posted by: BigE44 | May 18, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Question is, out of all the ownership groups, why'd the NFL go with Snyder?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 18, 2009 11:03 AM |

Samson, You know, it wasn't the NFL that made the decision which ownership group to choose. It was the Cooke estate and they had only one goal: maximize their income. They then had to propose the group to the NFL which could accept or reject it. And the first group they proposed was rejected, the one headed by the sleazebag real estate mogul from New York City and with Snyder as a minor partner.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 18, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if the Danny is going to make another" big splash" publicity garnering move and go after Mike Vick if he's reinstated by the commisioner?

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 18, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

When did the Maple Leafs become a baseball team?

Look, this really comes down to one fundamental issue...who has (had) the hotter wife? JKC takes the win easily... Latina Caliente.

At this point, I'm more concerned about the fact that Dick's still sells Jason Taylor replica jerseys for the same price as those of current players. I mean, come on..other than wearing it for yard work or giving it as a gift to a blind elderly uncle and telling him it's Sonny's original jersey, what the hell are you going to do with it? Hey, Dick's! How about I give you $7.50 for the jersey and you throw in a Skins key ring and we're straight, ok?

Sorry, but this thread was going to hell in a hurry and I figured a personal rant couldn't make it any worse.

Posted by: InRealAmerica | May 18, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

One wins super bowl trophies, the other just pimps them out at media events like he earned them. Hands down Danny is the better owner. I mean whenver a vertically challenged guy can break out quotes like "We're physical we win" in the locker room after games how can you argue with that.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | May 18, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

When did the Maple Leafs become a baseball team?

Posted by: InRealAmerica | May 18, 2009 11:14 AM

When they were founded. They were a minor league team. Like St. Louis used to have two Cardinals (but no Pope).

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 18, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

At this point in time here's what the Washington Redskins remind me of...

A nice pretty Christmas present with all the shiny wrapping paper and ribbons and glitter... you know the most wonderful gift is inside a package like this....
you open it up, and what's inside?....
a dam rock!!

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 18, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Must be Groundhog Day. Haven't we seen this same dialogue over and over again for the last 10 years?!

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat

You bet. Along with those pesky "when will the Redskins be good again?" posts.

To all of you who say "sssssshhhhhh" stop talking about the bad stuff, two comments.

One, for those posters who work for the Redskins and are in fear of their jobs, we understand.

For the others, isn't it hard to breath with your head located where it is?

Posted by: TheCork | May 18, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

boring. Why don't we discuss whether we should have re-signed Antonio Pierce. And what about that second round pick that we threw in the trade for Clinton Portis? Am I the only one who can't decide whether that was a good idea?

Posted by: talent_evaluator

You gettng enough oxygen, T_E?

Posted by: TheCork | May 18, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

John Gruden is replacing Cornheiser on MNL. Thank the sweet Lord!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | May 18, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

You gettng enough oxygen, T_E?

Posted by: TheCork | May 18, 2009 11:24 AM

Well, when you come around, Mr. Crock, it is certainly like a bresh of freath air.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 18, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

who's this guy? "I believe this is a valid topic for discussion"

Cooke = cool, Snyder = anti-cool, news f in flash.

but ok, first of all you've got no cap vs. salary cap, older man vs. younger man (wisdom reference), and at the end of the day Cooke had 3 super bowls in 33 years, and it took him about 10 years to get 1.

so......if we win the super bowl this year....we're good.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 18, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I am also thanking your Lord over the Gruden for Corny move.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 18, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Not that Im a big fan of listening to Gruden, but Cornheiser did not belong on a football broadcast team. Whats w/these TV exec's? Dennis Miller? Dan Fouts? Tony Cornheiser? I don't like being annoyed while watching to supposed "game of the week". I liked Madden and Summeral back in the day. And the Espn crew was teh best with Patrick, Theismann and that other guy... they were the best broadcast team Ive heard.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | May 18, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

boring. Why don't we discuss whether we should have re-signed Antonio Pierce. And what about that second round pick that we threw in the trade for Clinton Portis? Am I the only one who can't decide whether that was a good idea?

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Here's a reason....It's 2009 ya numbskull

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 18, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Kornheiser was ill suited for MNF, he's more in his element on radio, and PTI.

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 18, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

To me they totally misused cornheiser. He would have been much better suited to come up with a quarterly or halftime synopsis of the game. His wit and termperment work so much better with that setup...

But of course, espn wanted to do it on the cheap...

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 18, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse


Six Flags was a disaster before he got there. He and his management team prolonged its life with the managerial equivalence of resusciation. This last quarter, for the first time, it turned an operating profit. It's still likely to die, but it wasn't Snyder who killed it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

And the fries at Johnny Rocket's are THE BEST!

Um, how's that football team of his doing?

Look no sane person has any argument with Snyder's business acumen. Bottom line stone genius. Scoreboard, baby.

The issue is an Ego that makes him think the one skill set (making money) transfers over to another (building a winning football franchise.)

I'm not saying I don't understand, or I wouldn't be the same way. It's like a kid having the ultimate train set in his basement. You don't want someone else to be the engineer.

But unfortunately, until he turns football operations over to a highly competent football person, the football aspect of his empire will fall short.

And to those who think that's an inappropriate topic on this blog, may I respectfully suggest you start your own blog.

Posted by: TheCork | May 18, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Here's a reason....It's 2009 ya numbskull

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 18, 2009 11:32 AM

It is? I looked at your handle and thought it was still 2003!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 18, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

new blog by cindy BORING...

Have you ever wondered why a football is ....brown? Yeah, I know. You discuss.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 18, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I want the dude who does the voice overs for old NFL films shows doin the play by play. And just someone who doesnt annoy the piss outa me doin color. I know thats waaaayyy too much to ask ESPN, I know.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | May 18, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

It is? I looked at your handle and thought it was still 2003!

Posted by: talent_evaluator

I live on the planet Nebulon it's 02 here, I just like to stay a step ahead

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 18, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

How bout what veteran we go after with our newfound $1M in cap? Surely there could be one or two guys we could sign for vetmin as insurance.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 18, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

harry kalas died recently, but i want that type of announcer too, or the stadium announcer on the TV broadcast.

Summeral style, and the kick ............................................................tackled at the 20

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 18, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I think Snyder's objectives are a lot different that Jack Kent Cooke's. Cooke saw the team perhaps as an indulgement, a nice-to-have thing that he loved. I believe Snyder sees it more as a marketing and promotion business. He might say he loves the Redskins but are we really sure he doesn't love the Redskins like he loves Snyder Communications? In financial terms, the team is very successful. The stadium is filled, there is a mile long waiting list for season tickets, jersey sales go up with every big name acquisition, and the list goes on. So what if the team doesn't win the Superbowl? Dan Snyder still gets millions. Maybe it's just we fans who don't understand what business Dan Snyder is in with the Redskins. When it comes to making money with a professional sports franchise, he is winning big.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 18, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I live on the planet Nebulon it's 02 here,

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 18, 2009 11:36 AM |

Fahrenheit or Centigrade?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 18, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

New Topic: Who is better suited to end the economic crisis, Marcus Mason or Leigh Torrence?

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 18, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

"NFL owners will meet in Florida to discuss, among other things, labor and economic issues, the longer schedule, rules changes and such."


The changes I'd like to see:

Bring on the eighteen game schedule.

Do away with the practice squad and increase rosters to 60 players.

Put some more money into a fund to take care of the guys who played in the 60s-70s and didn't make the boatloads of cash guys get now.

Change the 'force out' rule back to what it was a year ago. It killed the 'out' and 'fade' patterns.

Lighted up on the 'hitting a defenseless' receiver issue. It's takes away from safety play when 'fear of crossing the middle' is gone.

Finally, adopt the college over time system.

'Sudden Death' is wack as the team that gets the kick off in over time usually milks the clock and yardage to kick a long field goal.

Both teams should be given a shot to score by driving from their respective twenty yard lines.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 18, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

agreed with moe......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 18, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Moe for Commish!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 18, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

"Have you ever wondered why a football is ....brown? Yeah, I know. You discuss"

It has something to do with the end of the pig the ball comes out of.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 18, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

"'Sudden Death' is wack as the team that gets the kick off in over time usually milks the clock and yardage to kick a long field goal."

BOOM I actually heard a stat that the winner of OT is 50/50 based on who wins the coin toss, therefore it doesn't really matter.

Still, it's about as unexciting as can be. CFB OT > NFL OT by far.


BOOM BABY, I'M BACK


.

PERIOD

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 18, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Hey, when MNF started they had the most annoying announcer on the PLANET!! I think the execs were trying to go with the tried & true formula. Only problem, that formula only worked w/ one guy. And that was the 70's!!

I want something as simple as this (on MNF or ANY broadcast):

An unbiased play by play guy who actually watches the play on the field (not in the monitor)
A color man with intricate knowledge of football history and current applications
A SMOKIN hot sideline reporter who could challenge a cheerleader for her spot
An irreverent and sarcastic sideline analyst

That's it - nothing more. I don't need another host of goons to numbly cover what I've already seen. Maybe you could throw it back to the studio for other activity in sports, but I have to be honest, by then I'll be getting another beer anyway...

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 18, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Beep peeb

Good news -- neither a poll nor a guest blog.

Bad news -- uh, we've already been talking about Gruden.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 18, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse


I've read some of Kornheiser's books. The occasional column. Like him on PTI. Not a TK hater.

But I hit the MUTE button every time he started to expound on MNF.

They hired him to be the funny guy, and he thought he was another football guy. Unfortunately--and u could tell listening to Jaws simmer at times--they already had one of those.

He was a terrible booth guy. Worse than Miller, almost as bad as the Hammer. Unlistenable. He came across with all the arrogant knowitallism of Cosell, only without his charm.

I shuddered at his pre game previews, which he wrote like a column he was submitting for a Pulitzer. (And turned those off eventually).

Hope Gruden is great.

ESPN blew it when they dumped the incumbent team of Patrick, Theismann and Whatsisface.

Patrick and Theismann started working together at WJLA back in almost 30 years ago with post-game segments, and the rapport shows.

You can't fake that in broadcasting. And the enmity between Jaws and Kornheiser meant one of them had to go. They chose the right one.

That said, TK will rebound and succeed elsewhere. He is a real talent--juts not at everything he tries.


Posted by: TheCork | May 18, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

John Gruden is replacing Cornheiser on MNL. Thank the sweet Lord!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | May 18, 2009 11:26 AM

Assuming you meant MNF, be careful what you wish for. Gruden is decent, but nothing to write home about. And now that you add him, what's his role? The 3 man booth is supposed to be play-by-play announcer, analyst, and dude-who-knows-some-stuff-about-football-but-is-really-there-for-comic-relief. Gruden ain't the latter and two analysts is kinda much. Personally, I hate a 3 man booth and think that anything beyond the play-by-play guy and the analyst is overdoing it.

But Kornheiser had to go. His schtick doesn't fit in-game. On PTI he's hilarious. In print, he's hilarious. During a game, I wanna punch him in the stones. If ESPN wants to get it right for a change, they'd go with Tirico and the newly acquired Matt Millen in the booth. But then again, this is the network that let Emmitt Smith talk...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 18, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

t_e

farengrade, you wouldn't understand

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 18, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

You still around, Cork?! I thought for sure you would have found a new team by now. The "head in the hiney award" goes to cork for continuing to follow a team that he so vehemently despises.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | May 18, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

At this point in time here's what the Washington Redskins remind me of...

A nice pretty Christmas present with all the shiny wrapping paper and ribbons and glitter... you know the most wonderful gift is inside a package like this....
you open it up, and what's inside?....
a dam rock!!

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 18, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Thank you 72Redskins ...Man I haven't laughed this hard in years reading about our beloved Redskins. My eyes are still full of laughing tears. An earlier post said that as long as our current owner is in power we will not be winners only master teasers. You think maybe somebody will bump this boys head so damn hard that when he wakes up he will have forgotten who he is and that he owns the Skins and maybe start over again...the right way!!. Just hoping.

Posted by: renaw9 | May 18, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

JHvet1 "An interesting discussion would be how long Jim Zorn actually remains the head coach"

Gosh, if only I'd been prescient enough to have divined what JH considers to be an interesting dicussion. But then he wouldn't have had the opportunity to demonstrate his mature articulation of what, to him, is a more compelling topic, with his eloquent "this sucks" comment.

Many 12 year olds are equally erudite.

Zorn will be the head coach until Snyder sees the opportunity to make another splashy move that will impress the world with... Dan Snyder.

Like JH and a few of the other geniuses here, he's a bit of a self-centered, self-righteous, know-it-all poltroon.

I'd happened recently to be reading some of Kornheiser's stuff after JKC died, and it just got me to thinking about today's totally boring and inappropriate topic that has generated 4 or 5 pages of commentary.

I miss those days. Maybe Danny will accidently win The Show someday, as perhaps like anyone else he has to learn the job, and learning the job entails making mistakes.

Posted by: Tedskins1 | May 18, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

"Not that Im a big fan of listening to Gruden, but Cornheiser did not belong on a football broadcast team. Whats w/these TV exec's? Dennis Miller? Dan Fouts? Tony Cornheiser? I don't like being annoyed while watching to supposed "game of the week". I liked Madden and Summeral back in the day. And the Espn crew was teh best with Patrick, Theismann and that other guy... they were the best broadcast team Ive heard.Posted by: VaBeachBlitz"

They're all a distant second to turning off the sound entirely.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 18, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

renaw9:
After 10 years I doubt it!

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 18, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

talen: "It was the Cooke estate and they had only one goal: maximize their income. They then had to propose the group to the NFL which could accept or reject it. And the first group they proposed was rejected, the one headed by the sleazebag real estate mogul from New York City and with Snyder as a minor partner."

That story I've heard. And I know the Foundation was in $$ trouble. But I've also heard that Snyder did a tremendous sales job to surpass another bidder in Pete Rozelle's eyes. Not true, I guess, or you would have mentioned it.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 18, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"Sorry, but this thread was going to hell in a hurry and I figured a personal rant couldn't make it any worse.Posted by: InRealAmerica"

Oh, but it could, evidently.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 18, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

"That said, TK will rebound and succeed elsewhere. He is a real talent--juts not at everything he tries.Posted by: TheCork"

Don't be hard on Tony. He gives hope to all those young people that want to be sportscasters but are stymied by the fact that they don't actually know anything about sports.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 18, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Moe,
I agree with your proposals but two additions:

-If you're going to have a longer regular season, cut back on the pre-season games. You probably included this in what you were saying but wanted to point it out.

-Second, I think the NFL could do with a farm system and the league should be able to protect the team's rights to players on their farm teams. I think the European stuff they did was more the NFL trying to establish interest in the game in Europe instead of developing a true farm system. They need a farm system like baseball that is in the smaller cities and gives those fans a chance to see games who would normally not have the chance. The league could be filled with players who: need a little seasoning, never got a chance to go to college, trying to make a comeback, or coming back from injury. This isn't Arena football, I'm talking about. I'm talking old school, out in the elements, nothing-but-grass-fields, smash-mouth football. The season would parallel the NFL's with games being played on Friday night. Players on the rise could be called up from the farm team at anytime during the season and players on regular NFL rosters could be demoted the same way.

That's all. That would make me happy.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 18, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

How to Become a Guest Blogger for Redskins "Insider"

Do 1 of the following:
1. Write an entry ripping Dan Snyder
2. Write an entry ripping Vinny Cerrato
3. Write an entry ripping Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato.

Repeat as necessary.

Posted by: CPortisRun | May 18, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

The Danny vs. The Squire

how about..

La Canfora vs. The worst journalist ever

look pal....we know that this Snyder thing is personal with you.

This is not journalism.

your personal diggs are a true reflection of your character and your inability to connect with Redskins nation.

I believe I speak on the behalf of all skins fans when I say....get lost

Your an idiot because your hired to report on the redskins and post useful content that stimulate a healthy debate.

It is obvious that your personal hate for snyder has gotten in the way of you performing your job.

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

Maybe it's just that you lack a creative skill set and all you can come up with is ridicules post like this one

One day (real soon) we will win this damm thing and you will be totally lost and be forced to quit on the basis that you are incapable of any kind of positive and constructive reporting when it comes to the Skins.

That's sad

Posted by: skinsbacker | May 18, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Yes it's gonna be a long, lonely summer...

Posted by: bostskin | May 18, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Please leave the overtime rules alone!! If the team that lost that coin toss cannot STOP the team that won the coin toss then the team that lost the coin toss SHOULD LOOSE !! SUDDEN DEATH!!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | May 18, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Let's see, Cooke told Gibbs if he didn't win a Super Bowl that year that it was going to be the end of the line for him and Rypien.

Sounded like Dan Snyder talking about Zorn and Campbell.

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | May 18, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

RedSkinHead:
I like the idea of a farm system also, just like major league baseball. You'd have teams in Columbus,OH, Norfolk,or Richmond, VA, Birmingham, AL, etc. The NFL should provide a lot of the $ for these teams, I think it would be great.

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 18, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

From the RI: "Occasionally, we like to turn this space over to you for guest blogs. Today's comes from Ted Lorenz: ... ". Geeseth. Just what this blog needed - another Snyder hater, to make for a more well-rounded discussion forum. If this is the best that RI can do for guest blogging then they should just post Skins' daily PR flak until the Snyder hater pros such as JLC are back in harness.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 18, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Any sane, rational observer would have to agree that, although a comparison between Cooke and Snyder are unfair, and LaCantfora tirelessly dogs Snyder and Cerrato, until they start becoming successful, that observer would have to agree that after 10+years of involvement with this franchise and little results that it is all deserved until their critics are proven wrong, if they ever are. The way the Redskins OL looks right now, the jury is most certainly still out; however, that brings up another question - Should the Redskins tender Jon Runyan a one-year offer? I mean, at least Runyan has hit the field within the last few years, no?

Posted by: jpwjr1199 | May 18, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Any sane, rational observer would have to agree that, although a comparison between Cooke and Snyder are unfair, and LaCantfora tirelessly dogs Snyder and Cerrato, until they start becoming successful, that observer would have to agree that after 10+years of involvement with this franchise and little results that it is all deserved until their critics are proven wrong, if they ever are. The way the Redskins OL looks right now, the jury is most certainly still out; however, that brings up another question - Should the Redskins tender Jon Runyan a one-year offer? I mean, at least Runyan has hit the field within the last few years, no?

Posted by: jpwjr1199 | May 18, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

JKC is a seasoned vet when it comes to managing pro teams. Snyder's a rookie and must learn from the best around the league to get what he longingly envision for.

Posted by: RedCherokee | May 18, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

JKC had the Lakers before he came to Washington to take the role of managing owner from Edward Bennet Williams. But, even before that he influenced many decisions made by Williams through his role as majority owner, albeit mostly silent. The hiring of George Allen and perhaps Lombardi may be indirectly attributed to JKC as well. JKC started off as a door-to-door Encyclopedia salesman in Canada. I'm not certain but I believe that like Snyder he made his fortune in media through early ownership of a Cable company. This led to many other ventures including sports franchise ownership but he always kept his hand in the media through his ownership of companies like the LA Times. So, in a sense, he was also a newspaperman.

Snyder is a self-taught, punk kid from Rockville, who learned how to be a salesman through selling spring vacation travel packages to students. He then jumped into college media which ended up failing. He reinvented himself and came up with a new business that marketed merchandise to new mothers/parents through free baskets of "goodies" delivered to parents when they left the hospital with a newborn or newborns. He became interested in owning a sports franchise like many of the .com noveau rich peers he mingled with. He had no background in owning any sports franchise before his group purchased the Redskins.

Posted by: periculum | May 18, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I remember Snyder originally failed to purchase the Redskins as a minority owner. When he finally purchased as a majority owner, people were saying we got a Redskin fan owning the team now. If you had a chance to buy the Redskins, would you despite having no background experience in owning pro teams? Obviously this is about management.

Posted by: RedCherokee | May 18, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Old news Mr. LORENZ. I have stated here many times that the similarities between the stewardship of DAN SNYDER and GEORGE PRESTON MARSHALL were far too many to be overlooked. Bad owners damage the image of football in general, and this franchise in particular. I will call again for the NFL to force SNYDER to sell his interest in this team to a responsible person or persons who will operate the franchise in a responsible, respectable fashion.

Posted by: glawrence007 | May 18, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

No disrespect what are you talking about and why are you dissing Snyder already. We all know he did some awful moves but I like the moves he did this off season. I am not saying they were awesome but they were not awful but they could be, we shall see, lol

Posted by: tjzukoski | May 18, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

"Snyder seems recklessness" ...

LOL, were you high when you wrote this, Cindy?

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | May 19, 2009 1:59 AM | Report abuse

This is the lamest place to post and I'm sick of all the lamers who post also. I quit..

Posted by: KurtShanaman | May 19, 2009 4:16 AM | Report abuse

Hey Talent Evaluator so did Six Flags bottom line improve after Snyder picked it up? No. Obviously evaluating companies is not your forte either. Suggest you take advantage of the WSJ introductory offer you might learn something. Nothing Danny Boy has touched since he lost the advice of his daddy's busienss advisers has been successful. Problem Danny Boy moved out of his niche and into areas like owning a football team and running real traditional businesses that he just doesn't have background and knowledge to do. Big difference between mass marketing sleaze and running a restaurant chain or amusement park. Now TE isn't time for you to try to break your consecutive losing streak at pocket pool?

Posted by: sheepherder | May 19, 2009 7:10 AM | Report abuse

As a fan i liked JKC as i fan i do not like Mr Snyder.

Posted by: jmy1 | May 19, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

If you're truly a fan of The Squire and his stewardship of this franchise, take a look at this:
http://dclance.spreadshirt.com/us/US/Shop/
I was going to post this earlier, but today seemed like an appropriate opportunity to forward this to you.

Posted by: dclance | May 19, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I'd be happy to carry the tar if someone else brings the feathers, but if that's not what we are talking about then I'm not interested in discussing it......

Posted by: Jahswim | May 19, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I'll give this one thing, and just one thing, to Danny over JCK - Danny's wife ain't nutty.... JCK really screwed the pooch on that last whacked out b!tch.

Posted by: oldnova | May 19, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

It is no accident that the last decent draft and, before the return of Joe Gibbs, the last time the 'Skins went to the playioffs was the result of the personnel decisions and people laid in place by the squire: the GM, Charley Casserley. Think of that 1999 draft--the last unsullied one before Snyder got there: Champ Bailey (no. 1), John Jansen, no.2, and choices in almost every round after that.

Posted by: jetnarongaolcom | May 20, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

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