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Thomas is maturing -- in his own fashion

In the 27-17 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles, Devin Thomas had his first career touchdown reception. When the bye week ended Monday,Thomas returned to practice sporting a new hairstyle, with bottled bleach creating a makeshift mohawk across the second-year receiver's dome.

Santana Moss was asked whether Devin Thomas is maturing.

"Who, Devin?" Moss said. "Maaan, Devin ain't maturing."

"Devin going to be Devin. I'd rather him be who he is, give you something new every day than be something that he ain't," Moss said. "Certain guys, you see them, they been in this league for awhile and they just don't change."

But on the field, Moss said he has noticed some changes in Thomas. Thomas has started the Redskins' past two games as the flanker receiver, replacing Malcolm Kelly. Thomas was held without a catch, but he had three receptions for 45 yards and that touchdown a week later against Philadelphia.

"His game has elevated," Moss said. "I think he's more conscious of what his purpose is. So that part of it, I can say he's matured a lot. When it comes to his game, he realizes that you only get one opportunity and he probably seen it from a side that he didn't want to see it. So now he has to grasp what his purpose is and knowing what it means to this team."

Similarly, quarterback Jason Campbell said Devin Thomas is "definitely improving."

"I think that touchdown catch gave him a lot of motivation," Campbell said. "After that, he was hungry for more. ...He's a guy who wants the ball more. So we're going to try to get those guys involved in the offense more and more and see if they can make that next step."


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Comments

FIRST to say DT was sporting that Hawk during the Philly game. Nice reporting.

Posted by: Salinas1 | November 5, 2009 7:02 AM | Report abuse

Is this thing even working?

Posted by: RedDMV | November 5, 2009 7:53 AM | Report abuse

I wish Campbell would stop saying, "We're going to get someone involved in the game". That, IMO, sounds way to neutral. How about, "Devin Thomas will get the ball", or "I'm going to be looking for Devin a lot on Sunday"? The way Campbell puts it, it sounds like Devin might be bringing a gatorade bottle out to Campbell during a break in the action.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 5, 2009 8:01 AM | Report abuse

So wait, the Falcons got rid of fudge and signed pepper? That's not a good idea, you really can't replace the one with the other.

Posted by: daggar | November 5, 2009 8:04 AM | Report abuse

"So we're going to try to get those guys involved in the offense more and more and see if they can make that next step."

Um...I'm just in shock that this has taken 23 games to happen...I mean, its like they're trying to top each other with moronic things to say day after day.

Congrats to Moe....does this cement that Damon goes, and Matsui stays??

On that note, Ryan Howard...please disappear for the ENTIRE off-season. Give no interviews, and maybe everyone will forget about the magnificent gag-job you pulled in the playoffs...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Ryan Howard indeed stunk it up with a bakers dozen worth of K's.

I thought it was unfair that people were riding him for his post game comments though. I mean, what did they want him to do, cry?

Posted by: RedDMV | November 5, 2009 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Or another note:

Meet the new Washington Wizards. Same as old Washington Wizards. Good grief, I've never seen a worst group of players consistently come up short when it matters the most.

The Washington Choke Artist.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 5, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

red, I didn't hear what he said after the game, I was just basing it on his general suckitude during the series....

Saw on PFT last night that the Falcons had 12 guys not practicing, or limited in practice. Which bodes well for the Redskins....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 8:17 AM | Report abuse

"His (Devin Thomas) game has elevated," Moss said.

Again: Thomas and Davis are keepers.

Malcolm Kelly might just need to keep to himself.

And the way things are flowing the skins, let's get Marko some of Kelly's onfield time.

Moss-Cooley-Thomas-Davis-Mitchell-(and a free agent pick up) might be a nice young receiving corp moving forward next season.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 5, 2009 8:19 AM | Report abuse

red, come on over to the light...come root for the Green Team...KG, The Truth, Ray-Ray, Sheed, Rondo....stop wasting your time with the wizards...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse

So, Devin Thomas is maturing after two years in the league, Malcolm Kelly has become a pariah and Marko Mitchell is still the invisible man. Where is the receivers coach? Why not interview him and give him the fifth degree on why his receiving corps is such a mish-mosh of unrealized potential?

Not that I wish any ill will on Santana Moss and ARE, but I would like to see them injured for a game. Who would JC throw to? I think it very interesting that Davis had his best day when the coaches had no other options at tight end. Maybe the same "too young, can't play them" mentality is working against the receivers, too. I don't think it was a coincidence that Devin Thomas caught his first touchdown pass the first week Sherm Lewis took over the play calling.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 5, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

moe, give Kelly a chance. Lets actually use him in the proper fashion, send him on slants, and get him on crossing patterns....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

bean

Thanks for the Yank shout out.

And I've already moved on and won't gloat.

But I will say--again--that Theo should sign Matsui to a nice two-three year deal.

His bat would be a nice thing for the Sawx to have in the event of Papi's continuing meltdown.

And as for Damon--I think the Yanks need a solid outfielder period. Why bring him back, too?

I'd trade 2 pitchers (or just Hughes) and Melky Cabrera for Matt Holliday.

But baseball's over--so I won't talk about it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 5, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Saw on PFT last night that the Falcons had 12 guys not practicing, or limited in practice. Which bodes well for the Redskins....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 8:17 AM


Not really. If it weren't for eligibility issues, they could just get some the backups from Georgia and Georgia Tech to come and play and they'd still find a way to win 7-3.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

moe, I could see them bringing back Matsui, and letting Damon go. I mean, both guys were clutch in the series, stick Matsui at DH, and when either Arod, or Tex needs a blow, let them DH, and rest HM. That makes sense to me.

I'm not sure about Holliday moe...that cat can't hit in the AL. He's exponentially better hitting in the NL....he's on guy I can't get a read on. Some day's he's lights out, but then others he's just average.

Gloat all you want, you earned it, your team won the WS, enjoy it.....just know I'm calling your neighbor, and telling him to crap on your front steps...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

"Where is the receivers coach?"

Is it the receivers coach or that the skins have a playcaller/designer who's not drawing up things that highlight what each guy does well?

Consider:

Kelly--slants, crossing routes, (no fades, please!)

Moss--screens, double-moves, 'go' routes

Thomas--who knows?

Mitchell--who knows?

Randle El--fair catches, drops, pointing at the sky

Davis--flying over cornerbacks with a single bound

Cooley--his names says what he is 'Cool'. He does it all.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 5, 2009 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Bean, I'm a DMV dude. I can't root for any other teams.

Redskins
Wizards
Nationals
Capitals

Oh and speaking of Rondo, what's up with him telling Chris Paul that he will never win a championship. Someone might want to remind him that he's playing with FOUR potential HOF'ers.

The NBA will stick to the stat-quo. It'll be

Boston
Orlando
Cleveland
LA Lakers
San Antonio

And then everyone else. My finals prediction is BOS vs. SA -- KG vs. Duncan one last time.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 5, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

The problem with throwing the fade to Malcolm Kelly is that he doesn't know how to run the fade route properly, and Campbell can't make that type of throw.

That's why we've only seen the fade thrown like TWICE this entire year, but then again it feels like they've only been in the red zone TWICE this entire year.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 5, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Moe,

I am a Cardinals fan and I watched Holliday play ever since we traded for him in July. He's a good player in the NL, and will give a team 25+ HR and 100 RBI per season, but IMO that's not enough to warrant the 8 year 150 million dollar contract he is gonna want. Plus, he's an average defensive outfielder...with all the protection he would have in your lineup tho, he would definitely put up some numbers...

Posted by: mattylight | November 5, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe,
I think you hit the nail on the head with that one, Moe. Zorn treats his offense like a bunch of round holes and he keeps trying to stick the square peg players into them.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 5, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

red, the way the Rondo/Paul thing is being spun up here on talk radio is that Paul was telling RR that he didn't deserve the money, as RR just signed a new deal. Now, don't get it twisted, Paul is a great player, but Rondo's pretty good in his own right..

Haven't seen duncan play yet this year, is he healthy??

Sheed is gonna be like Bill Walton was in 1986...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Or another note:

Meet the new Washington Wizards. Same as old Washington Wizards. Good grief, I've never seen a worst group of players consistently come up short when it matters the most.

The Washington Choke Artist.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 5, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Being a fan of the team since long before they changed their name, I feel your frustration over the Wizards. However, it's just game 5 of a new regime out of 82, one of their top players (Jamison) was out and another (Mike Miller, who has been great, better than I thought he would be) missed a significant portion of the game with a sprained shoulder. 2-3 start notwithstanding, I still say they win 47-50 and get a 4 or 5 seed in the playoffs. As for BeantownGreg's suggestion, I'd rather crawl five miles on my stomach over broken glass than root for the Celtics. Pardon my brief diversion from the ongoing train wreck that is the Redskins' 2009 season. Now, back to the misery . . .

Posted by: rbpalmer | November 5, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Oh and speaking of Rondo, what's up with him telling Chris Paul that he will never win a championship. Someone might want to remind him that he's playing with FOUR potential HOF'ers.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 5, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Same Rondo who said he didn't really think that the Lakers and Celtics had much of a rivalry. Dude is a little out to lunch, but he's a really good PG, so I guess if you're the Celtics and you have KG, Ray Ray and Pierce, you just roll with it...

Posted by: mattylight | November 5, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

That's why we've only seen the fade thrown like TWICE this entire year, but then again it feels like they've only been in the red zone TWICE this entire year.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 5, 2009 8:43 AM

Campbell blames it on home games. He said that FedEx "doesn't have a red zone. Mr. Snyder sold the red zone to buy stools for Johnny Rocket's." What a loser.

Posted by: League-Source | November 5, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

"Zorn treats his offense like a bunch of round holes and he keeps trying to stick the square peg players into them"

Which is why he makes comments about how he didn't run his scripted 15th play until the 3rd quarter. He's being way, way too concrete with this approach, more abstractness would be a better approach...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Or another note:

Meet the new Washington Wizards. Same as old Washington Wizards. Good grief, I've never seen a worst group of players consistently come up short when it matters the most.

The Washington Choke Artist.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 5, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse


Oh yeah man, Wizards are letting me down. Up 18 on Clevo, then fall behind 14 to Miami and choke on the comeback...the Wiz can't play back to backs..they always lose the second game.

Posted by: FedorEm | November 5, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Wizards will always confuse the hell out of us. Game one go on the road and spank the Mavs, and look good doing it. Then a game like last night, losing to an above average Heat and watching DWade explode for 40. Same old, same old -- no defense, can't break through in the 4th quarter, not playing up to their potential. Guess it's a good to see Skillbert back and playing well...

Posted by: mattylight | November 5, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

He's being way, way too concrete with this approach, more abstractness would be a better approach...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 8:49 AM

Which is why we brought in a new guy to call the plays for him.

There's too much on his plate. We should take everything off his plate except parking his own car in the assigned spot at Redskins Park.

Posted by: League-Source | November 5, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

"I was doin' FINE until the FANS kept me outta the Red Zone!"

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 5, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

mattylight

"...I watched Hollida...He's a good player in the NL, and will give a team 25+ HR and 100 RBI per season, but IMO that's not enough to warrant the 8 year 150 million dollar contract he is gonna want...with all the protection he would have in your lineup tho, he would definitely put up some numbers..."


That why I'd give up Melky Cabrera and two pitchers for him if I'm Cashman.

The Yanks lose Damon/Matsui's pay slots and could plug in Holliday's without feeling it, even if they are overpaying.

Plus: the Evil Empire is hooked on star players, and Holliday fits the bill.

Melky Cabrera is more NL caliber and the Cards could always use the pitching--and they won't pay Holliday what he wants.

So why keep him when you can get value?

And the Yanks need an outfielder who's a constant threat to hit: they'll find a guy in the off-season from somewhere, trust me.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 5, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Oh yeah man, Wizards are letting me down. Up 18 on Clevo, then fall behind 14 to Miami and choke on the comeback...the Wiz can't play back to backs..they always lose the second game.

Posted by: FedorEm |

Not true. Wiz lost to ATL last Friday night then WON the following night (beat the Nets) in a blow out.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 5, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

And the Yanks need an outfielder who's a constant threat to hit: they'll find a guy in the off-season from somewhere, trust me.

Paging Jason Bay.....Jason Bay....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Things that need to happen right now that won't happen:

1. Devin Thomas needs to return punts.
2. Devin Thomas needs to return kicks.
3. Devin Thomas needs to get more slant routes and crossing routes.
4. Someone other than Stephon Heyer needs to play left tackle.
5. Someone other than Will Montgomery needs to play right guard.
6. Portis/Sellers either need to start giving 100% or sit the bench in favor of Ganther and Wiliiams.
7. Alridge needs to be brought back in as a change of pace back.
8. Campbell needs to work on the deep ball with Moss and Thomas after practice every day.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 5, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

pa, kelly, should be running the slant routes, and crossing routes....he's got the frame for that...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Congrats Moe.

That's quite an assemblage of talent that won the World Series.

Put another way:

Good team, dem Yanks.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 5, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

9. Devin Thomas needs to start referring to himself as "Devin Thomas".
Trust me, it's a sign of maturity.

Posted by: daggar | November 5, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

"...Portis...need(s) to start giving 100%..."


I have a theory: Portis is giving 100%.

And his 100% just ain't what it used to be.

It's like making love and finding it unsatisfying as your partner's tricks just don't give you that feeling anymore.

Portis' 100% ain't fast, just furious.

Yes: we need blockers.

We also could use a speedy, versitile back as well.

Someone so quick that, like Bryan Westbrook, his 80% is better that Portis' 100%.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 5, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

I just got caught up on all the recent posts and can't help but feel disgusted at this team right now.

I was/am one of those who has been firmly on the side of those who have said "protest the owner and support the team" but outside of a few solid guys these bums couldn't be more worthless.

JC complaining about the home atmosphere? Trade his a** now! CP excusing Snyder's behavior and acting naive about why fans would resent his favored status? Bench his a** now!

Are these guys that stupid that they have no clue how long we've put up with this s***? It really had very little to do with them up till now at least for me. Now the hate is on in full for me.

I'm creeping toward the opinion that we need a franchisectomy.

Pull up the Mayflower, Danny! You're a worse owner than Irsay ever was! You've got nothing on Modell! Pack these heartless losers up with you and take this hideous excuse for a franchise out to Al Davis land. The two of you and all these rejects would be peas in a pod out in Raiders Nation.

Posted by: LarryBud | November 5, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I think the team could keep portis around, but yes he needs to be in for only 1/2 the plays and the team needs a power and speed back splitting the rest of the carries.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 5, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I think the team could keep portis around, but yes he needs to be in for only 1/2 the plays and the team needs a power and speed back splitting the rest of the carries.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 5, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

pa, kelly, should be running the slant routes, and crossing routes....he's got the frame for that...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Thomas has the frame for that too. That's what makes him such a great prospect. Thomas also has the speed. If he gets loose on a slant he will be gone. Personally, I'd like to see Kelly doing more quick outs, outs, hooks, and hitches. I'd like to see him work the sides of the field. We hardly ever do that. We don't stretch the field horizontally enough. The only sideline stuff we do is deep play action to Moss.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 5, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Not true. Wiz lost to ATL last Friday night then WON the following night (beat the Nets) in a blow out.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 5, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Lisa you are right. I forgot about that one, but if you look over the course of the past 4-5 years they do not bode well in back to backs.

Posted by: FedorEm | November 5, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Wow, one TD and D Thomas is now Ocho Cinco?

Posted by: Forrest6 | November 5, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

al, agreed. did you catch the saints the other night, in the first quarter, all of their RB's had gotten carries, and they had thrown the ball to 3 out of 4 WR, and both of their TE's.....why can't this team do that?? Why did it have to take cooley going down for the year for them to finally throw the ball to Davis??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I looked at the Riggins transcript on Snyder. I wish he would have tempered it. There was a lot of valid points that get clouded by personal opinion of Snyder having a "dark heart" and being a bad guy. Snyder just needs to hear whats wrong with the team, and his role. If you get too personal, I think it weakens the message and gives Snyder the "he's bitter" out. Collinsworth of all people really pressed Riggo to distinguish tween Bad Guy and Bad GM/Owner. Unfortunately, Riggo stuck to his guns...

Posted by: Club320 | November 5, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Hey JReid, you haven't said a thing about the game this week. i know you love the gossip but report about the gd game.

Posted by: brian58 | November 5, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Or another note:

Meet the new Washington Wizards. Same as old Washington Wizards. Good grief, I've never seen a worst group of players consistently come up short when it matters the most.

The Washington Choke Artist.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 5, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse


I was in the house for the game. It was quite entertaining to see them claw back from about 20 down in the 1st quarter, only to muff the game in the last minute.

Gotta give big props to Mike miller, who was all over the boards and made some spectacular plays with ONE ARM after spraining a shoulder.

DeSauce Stevenson needs to figure out how to make himself useful to this team. He clanked a couple 3-pointers, choked away 2 free throws w/ game tied at 44 seconds left, then failed to D-up on Wade (who dropped 40).

Quentin Richardson was standing wide open at the 3point arc all night. I mean, seriously, everyone knows the only thing that Q does is shoot 3-pointers. Don't they know this? Then I remembered it's the Wizards and they don't play D.

Posted by: p1funk | November 5, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Re: Riggins

Aren't all NFL owners "dark-hearted"?

Seriously, how do you become a millionaire a hundred times over in this life without a healthy measure of back-stabbing, stomping the little guy, breaking the rules, greasing the wheels, slashing and burning and caring about no one but yourself and your bottom line?

The issue with Snyder is that he's obvious.

I think most owners know that if they do what it takes to win first, then they'll get oodles of money and it will feed their egos and everyone will love them.

Snyder is backwards.

He thinks if he makes oodles of money and feeds his ego first, then he'll win, and everyone will love him...and if they don't love him they will get fired or otherwise persecuted by his security personnel at the stadium...

Posted by: p1funk | November 5, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Snyder just needs to hear whats wrong with the team, and his role. If you get too personal, I think it weakens the message and gives Snyder the "he's bitter" out. Collinsworth of all people really pressed Riggo to distinguish tween Bad Guy and Bad GM/Owner. Unfortunately, Riggo stuck to his guns...

Posted by: Club320 | November 5, 2009 9:27 AM


What makes you think Snyder would listen to ANY message? Snyder's heard it rough, he's heard it sugar-coated. He still screws everything up he puts his grimey mitts on.

I'm not sure the Ghost of Christmas Past could talk sense into that fool...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

brown, while I agree with you, I think that DS is starting to get it...there are too many people telling him, and too many losses for him not to take notice of the state of this team.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure the Ghost of Christmas Past could talk sense into that fool...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2009 9:42 AM |

LOL. I really dont remember the Skins getting this much National attention for being bad in the Snyder Era, and there has been a lot of bad. I agree, he will probably bristle up and become twice the Jackass.

Posted by: Club320 | November 5, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

He's being way, way too concrete with this approach, more abstractness would be a better approach...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 8:49 AM

Which is why we brought in a new guy to call the plays for him.

There's too much on his plate. We should take everything off his plate except parking his own car in the assigned spot at Redskins Park.

Posted by: League-Source
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Agree with that statement, too, but I have to believe that Sherm Lewis has to exert his influence to start getting more plays into the mix that use the players to the best of their abilities. For the first game, I think Sherm only did a little tweaking to pass routes. After having two weeks with the bye, I would expect to see some more changes. They've got to figure out ways to get the ball deeper - especially on third down. This is where the speed of DT, ARE and SM can help them. It's a shame we can't throw Marko Mitchell into this group because that would make four guys who can get deep fast. I wonder what Sherm Lewis' opinion of Marko Mitchell is? Surely, he has stolen a few minutes to watch him with the scout team...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 5, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

brown, while I agree with you, I think that DS is starting to get it...there are too many people telling him, and too many losses for him not to take notice of the state of this team.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 9:46 AM


Greg, I've heard people say that very phrase for 5 years now. And now things are worse than ever.

Seriously...what makes you think that? Other than REALLY wanting it to be true, what indictator have you seen that leads you to believe that?

I'm not being a smart-ass, I genuinely want to see what you see.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Re: Snyder

He's in too deep. There's no way he can sale the team and salvage his reputation in the DMV (DC/MD/VA). The only way to do that now is put a winning team on the field.

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 5, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

well for starters, DS has never apologized before, I'm not making that out to be more than it is, but its never happened previously.

There has also never been this many people in the press talking about how poorly run/managed this team is. He's never had Tony K telling him to his FACE in his BOX that this is a joke of a team...TK has the cache to say this, and for it to hold water....

There is a lot of first time stuff happening that leads me to believe that maybe, just maybe, he's getting the message....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

beep-poll

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder already got it. Remember how he said he learned not to sign over the hill guys anymore. He'd only sign guys in their 20's while still throwing way to much cash into 1-2 players. This guy will never get it. Good for Riggo. He can keep tearing him up on a daily basis.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | November 5, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Santana Moss was asked whether Devin Thomas is maturing.

"Who, Devin?" Moss said. "Maaan, Devin ain't maturing."

"Devin going to be Devin. He be who he be not who he is. I'd rather him be who he is, give you something new every day than be something that he ain't," Moss said. "child, Certain guys, you see them, they been in this league for awhile and they just don't change, they is who they is."

I never thought I had traded for such an uneducated sounding Player.

Posted by: Incognito00 | November 5, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

can't post....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

The Wizards are a team in flux. They've got one all-star injured, have had another starter injured in 2 of their 3 losses, their best player is still getting his timing back after missing 2 years of action, 3 of their top 8 players are new to the team, and they have a new coach with a completely different system on both ends of the court.

What you're seeing now isn't what you'll be seeing 2 months down the road, provided the Wizards actually get and remain healthy.

Posted by: psps23 | November 5, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I never thought I had traded for such an uneducated sounding Player.

Posted by: Incognito00 | November 5, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse


Have you heard CP's soundbytes?

Must be that world-class University of Miami education.

Posted by: p1funk | November 5, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

red, I didn't hear what he said after the game, I was just basing it on his general suckitude during the series....

Saw on PFT last night that the Falcons had 12 guys not practicing, or limited in practice. Which bodes well for the Redskins....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 8:17 AM | Report abuse
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How? We lost to Detroit and KC, even 12 players down, Atlanta is going to beat the crap out of us.

Posted by: clark202 | November 5, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

What you're seeing now isn't what you'll be seeing 2 months down the road, provided the Wizards actually get and remain healthy.

Posted by: psps23 | November 5, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse


Haven't we been saying this for 3 years?

Posted by: p1funk | November 5, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

its working now....beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Greg, I've heard people say that very phrase for 5 years now. And now things are worse than ever.

Seriously...what makes you think that? Other than REALLY wanting it to be true, what indictator have you seen that leads you to believe that?

I'm not being a smart-ass, I genuinely want to see what you see.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Like it or not but DS has been ruining the franchise less lately. Do you remember all the bad trades where we would get fleeced for draft picks? We stopped doing that and we stopped signing free agents over 30 years old. He's still a long way away form fielding a competitive team but he is actually improving. The results we are seeing now are directly related to those bad trades and lost draft picks. It's also related to the bad contracts and dead cap we have accumulated from bad free agent signings. That will take some time to overcome. We are still paying for Archuleta and Brandon Lloyd.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 5, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

There is a lot of first time stuff happening that leads me to believe that maybe, just maybe, he's getting the message....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 9:58 AM


I get that Greg, but I still don't think he gets it. Not once in his "apology" did he actually say the words "I'm sorry". Not once did he take responsibility for his share of the blame. He said "WE are embarrassed. WE feel bad for the fans". That's not an apology, that's acknowledging his team sucks. Which is a step in the right direction, but unfortately doesn't produce REAL change or results.

I'll know he gets it when he starts aggressively thrusting barrels of cash in the pockets of guys like Bill Parcells, Bill Polian, or Kevin Colbert to come run his front office. I'll know he gets it when he has NOTHING to do with the football operation. I'll know he gets it when he spends more money on OUR free agents instead of making multi-millionaires of guys that made a name for themselves in another uniform.

Until then, he's spinning his wheels and wasting what little goodwill is left over from the fanbase that he claims to have once been a part of.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Like it or not but DS has been ruining the franchise less lately.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 5, 2009 10:10 AM


I'm gonna step back and let you think about that remark.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

brown, while I agree with you, I think that DS is starting to get it...there are too many people telling him, and too many losses for him not to take notice of the state of this team.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse


There's never been this kind of firestorm around the team.

But I will not believe that Snyder "gets" anything until he shows us with real actions/decisions:

*Firing Vinny
*Hiring someone who isn't a jelly-spined yes-man
*Lowering prices on parking/concessions
*Taking on a real interview where he openly takes responsibility for the misdirection of the team

To me, these kinds of things will indicate whether he "gets" it - not 30 second apologies about how embarassed and disappointed he feels.

Posted by: p1funk | November 5, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Is it just me, or has the Post been quoting Moss and Portis verbatim this year? I don't think I'd noticed the grammer issues before..

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 5, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

the skins need to drop the gibbs style of not playing rookies and put them in such like marko.

Posted by: rls1041 | November 5, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I'm gonna step back and let you think about that remark.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Ok, I think you may need a refresher course in some of the events of the recent past. I hate to do this but:

Steve Spurrier
Dana Stubblefield
Adam Archuleta
Irving Fryar
Dion Sanders
Al Saunders
Firing Marty Schottenhiemer

compared to:

Albert Haynesowrth
DHall
Jim Zorn
Sherm Lewis

is actually considered an improvement.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 5, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I don't give a flip about what The Daniel Snyder does with his money, or anything. I would like for the Redskins to have some kind of team structure going forward. WCO, smash-mouth, run-n-shoot, I don't give a flip about that either. I just want some kind of plan instituted. Get some good athletes, build an offense, a defense around them, or vice-versa. I'd love for the Redskins to be winning again, too. But that'll come when the team decides on some kind of course.

That'll be the day pigs fly.

Posted by: Meepo | November 5, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I will not watch another Wizards game until we start this five 1. Gil 2.MM 3.CB 4.AJ 5.BH. I'm tired of thinking about what could be. We clearly missed AJ against the Heat last night though we still could and should have won the game.

I still have high hopes. There are 77 games left but it would be so nice to see us win 4-8 games in a row. It seems like an eternity now since we've went on a roll. Injuries, injuries, injuries eeeeeek more mf injuries.

CB is struggling but Dwade molested him going to the rim last night during the last minute of the game. No foul call as usual. Mark Jackson even acknowledged that the refs had missed a crucial call. Deshawn is a great role player because of his grit but this dude is awful. Man if Mike Miller(natural shooter) wasn't hurt, it would have been nice to see him take those 3 pointers form both sides of the court and the free throws as well. Those were all game changing shots. Dehsawn's body was completely side ways in the air on the shot from the right side of the basket. WTF?

Posted by: JWADE4 | November 5, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: hessone | November 5, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Yes, why not root for the Celtics who represent the most racist city in the country.

Posted by: chopin224 | November 5, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Moss-Cooley-Thomas-Davis-Mitchell-(and a free agent pick up) might be a nice young receiving corp moving forward next season.

Moss-Cooley-Thomas-Kelly at WR
Davis (if he matures)-Yoder-some draft pick at TE
I think that's enough and plenty of wide receiver Moe, in point-of-fact too many really. Its time to focus on the most important aspects of an offense. 1. A COACH who doesn't have to cow-tow to Snidely the personality disorder owner. 2. THE OFFENSIVE LINE!!!!

Posted by: periculum | November 5, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

PASkinsfan,

I am with you except I would swap Saunders for Jeff George. I believe that if Saunders could have stayed here they would have a great offense for years to come. Apparently, a really well run team with what was a weak offense last year agrees: the RAVENS.

Posted by: periculum | November 5, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Like it or not but DS has been ruining the franchise less lately.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 5, 2009 10:10 AM

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Please. Not building the O & D lines through the draft over the last five years or so is the primary ruination of this franchise.

Posted by: shanks1 | November 5, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Cut Clinton Portis on the first wee, just cut him. Next week, cut Santana Moss, Clinton Portis, Mike Sellers, Fred Smoot, Carlos Rogers, Randle El and Jason Campbell. None of these guys are worthy of being on this team. All are second rate or used up football players. Just cut them, all!!!! Next, get rid of every coach and Vinny Cerrato.... All of these guys are worthless and are just hanging around to get a pay check. None of the coaches knows a damn thing about winning football and developing young players how to be productive in the NFL. Next, hire Ozzie Newsome and give him complete control to build this franchise.

Posted by: matrixcl55 | November 5, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I hold out hope that the Danny is going to be so shamed by this season and the media coverage--and, by the way, this IS the worst Redskins team I've seen in my nearly 40 years as a fan--that he makes some changes (see below), the most important of which is No. 1:
* Fire Cerrato and hire a proven GM.
* Use your coming high draft picks to pick O Linemen, maybe a running back.
* Get whatever you can--hopefully more offensive linemen--for Campbell, Randle El, Portis, Betts, maybe Sellers, maybe one or two of the young receivers.
* Bring in a free agent QB and RB (there's no cap next year, right?).
* Be willing to trade a defensive lineman for more O Line help.
Let the GM hire a whole new coaching staff.
In case I haven't been clear: We need a WHOLE NEW offensive line.
Do you think Danny reads this blog?? hahahahaha.

Posted by: jdsp2000 | November 5, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

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