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Thrash Released by Skins (Updated)

The Redskins have released wide receiver James Thrash, who failed a physical.

"I talked with James and we agreed that this was the best way to proceed," Redskins Coach Jim Zorn said in a statement released by the team. "James can focus on getting healthy and we can move forward. James is a true Redskin and a fan favorite. He was great player, teammate and team leader. Though we had to make this decision, we are confident that James will be involved in some capacity within the Redskins organization."

Thrash came to the Redskins out of Missouri Southern (Joplin!) in 1997. His tenure with the team was interrupted only by a three-season stint in Philadelphia (2001-2003). His NFL totals: 165 games (71 starts), logged 290 receptions, 3,646 yards and 22 touchdowns.

"It has been a great honor to get to know James and his family," owner Daniel M. Snyder said in a statement released by the team. "James is a tremendous person who has been a great ambassador for the Redskins in our community. He has produced nine outstanding seasons for our team. It is our hope that he will continue a long-term relationship with our organization."

Said Vinny Cerrato, executive vice-president of football operations (also in a statement from the team): "James has been a valuable member of our team and a tremendous asset to our organization. He always put the team first and was a great role model in our locker room. We appreciate his contributions to the Redskins organization."

By Cindy Boren  |  June 12, 2009; 12:09 PM ET
 
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Farewell to an unbelievable Redskin, and a soldier who never quit.

Posted by: Broman17 | June 12, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

good luck James. Hope you heal completely

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 12, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Damn...first Jansen, now this. Blog regulars rejoice...

Kinda feels like when a terminally ill relative dies. You know it's coming, but you're still pretty sad when the day finally comes.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 12, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I would love to hear Beantowngreg's thoughts on this; he is sooooooooooooooo smart.

Posted by: TBDog | June 12, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

While the last two releases have been painful from a fan's point of view since Jansen and Thrash have done good things for the team, the Skins are apparently making a real effort to get younger and that is long overdue

Posted by: HustlerofCulture | June 12, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

What What What?!?!

CINDY - You broke a story! Great work! Seriously - big props!

Not sure what this portends, but it sounds like it could be retirement for JT. He's in a tough spot, that is an ugly injury.

He will be sorely missed, expecially this year with a gaping lack of locker room leaders coming off this offseason. He was an exemplary Redskin - always gave 100% effort, played smart, knew his role, and was an absolute beast on ST.

I'll admit being skeptical when Gibbs brought him back but he has given everything he could in his time back here. Best of luck to a true Redskin and hope you lead a long, healthy life. It'd be great to see him back with the team in some capacity in the future.

Posted by: McMetal | June 12, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

From the sound of the nature of the injury (and potential for quadrapeligia), seems like it might have been just as much Thrash's call as the team's ... contract-wise, might be better for Thrash is he gets cut rather than retires. Spinal injuries are the scariest ones in football. I'm guessing Randy Thomas' wife has a hard time sleeping at night, but toughs it out b/c a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. Still, Thrash always seemed dependable (more dependable than David Patten anyway).

Posted by: dcsween | June 12, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Would love to hear salary cap ramifications of this move, and why they felt obligated to make a decision at this juncture of the offseason...it didn't seem like there was any rush prior to this point.

Posted by: McMetal | June 12, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Nice, looks like this frees up about a million on the cap.

Harrison? Pace? Edge? Could use some insurance for a year.

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 12, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: McMetal | June 12, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

That opens up an important roster spot. It means that one of the recent WR signings/draft picks can make the team. Roydell Williams or Marko Mitchell probably.

Posted by: Wemiss21 | June 12, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I have plenty of respect for Thrash, but the truth is that he had minimal impact on this team over the years. It speaks to the weakness of our WRs that he got even the modest playing time he got.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 12, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

He failed his physical

Posted by: Wemiss21 | June 12, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, supposedly we just signed Henson too, but the article is not up yet - just the headline at Redskins.com.

Sounds like the split with JT was amicable and, as expected, mutual. Nice comments from Dan. Doesn't sound like they expect him to try a comeback with another team either.

Posted by: McMetal | June 12, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

"Failed his physical" is probably just a box to check as a basis for releasing. Still seems like it was a consentual decision. Since when do teams require guys to take a physical in the time period between OTAs and training camp?

Posted by: dcsween | June 12, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Would love to hear salary cap ramifications of this move, and why they felt obligated to make a decision at this juncture of the offseason...it didn't seem like there was any rush prior to this point.

Posted by: McMetal

Not sure about the salary cap ramifications but I do know the Skins (especially Zorn) LOVE Thrash. Zorn said last week they would wait as long as they could to make a decision because James is worth it.

I believe a team can only have 81-85 players (something like that)on the team during the offseason. Vinny said that when they sign draft picks they have to release players to make room.

Maybe James can be a coach with the team....

Posted by: Lisa_R | June 12, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Finally....

Good luck Thrash, thanks for the service.

Posted by: chrislarry | June 12, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Wow....

Zorn exerting influence! In the Gibbs 2.0 years, Jansen and Thrash would have lasted atleast until Training Camp.

He can always be resigned, though. Makes sense actually. We signed 2 players and Thrash isn't practicing. So, release him and let him continue to rehab, and we'll pick him back up come training camp.

Sorry Cl - This may not be the last you see of him!

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 12, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

"Failed his physical" is probably just a box to check as a basis for releasing. Still seems like it was a consentual decision. Since when do teams require guys to take a physical in the time period between OTAs and training camp?Posted by: dcsween"

That's a box I imagine no aging veteran would allow them to check unless it was true. Something showed early...

Posted by: Samson151 | June 12, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Is the photo newer than this one?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_t9D_ovmGhQE/Rq-Y5MJw_tI/AAAAAAAAKS4/i_nWYbePvMc/s400/LaRon+Landry.jpg

Posted by: dcsween | June 12, 2009 11:59 AM

That's a big dude.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 12, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Got to get younger- stronger, faster, and quicker. Smarter? I don't know...Thrash stayed around for as long as he did because of his work ethic and his intelligence. His play was pedestrian over the last few years.

Really appreciated his efforts and dedication to the team.

It's been long overdue to get younger, and hopefully better, at the WR spot.

Posted by: BigDeck | June 12, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

@Rypien11 - if you mean Orlando Pace, he's a Bear now.

I will miss Thrash, he was usually not a significant contributor on the offense, but was quite a playmaker and leader on special teams.

Posted by: jksesq1 | June 12, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Is the photo newer than this one?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_t9D_ovmGhQE/Rq-Y5MJw_tI/AAAAAAAAKS4/i_nWYbePvMc/s400/LaRon+Landry.jpg

Posted by: dcsween | June 12, 2009 11:59 AM

That's a big dude.

Posted by: 4thFloor

He did not look that big when Brandon Jacobs made him a part of the field when he ran over him in NY! He needs to quit doing curls and posing in front of the mirrors and get under the squat rack or do some power cleans.

Posted by: NCMatt1 | June 12, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/06/11/skins.landry.ap/index.html

We're not the only ones cynical about Landry's showing up ... even the AP, which usually leaves snarky out, couldn't resist.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 12, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

No salary cap ramifications for releasing Thrash. All salary no pro-rated bonus money.

Posted by: periculum | June 12, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Would love to hear salary cap ramifications of this move, and why they felt obligated to make a decision at this juncture of the offseason...it didn't seem like there was any rush prior to this point.

Posted by: McMetal

Not sure about the salary cap ramifications but I do know the Skins (especially Zorn) LOVE Thrash. Zorn said last week they would wait as long as they could to make a decision because James is worth it.

I believe a team can only have 81-85 players (something like that)on the team during the offseason. Vinny said that when they sign draft picks they have to release players to make room.

Maybe James can be a coach with the team....


Posted by: Lisa_R | June 12, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

According to my info, Thrash had a contract for $945k, and a release fee of $100k. So if I'm reading it right, we will save $845k against cap, and have an extra team slot open.

Posted by: frediefritz | June 12, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

It was reported that Thrash has a serious, career threatening neck problem. As does Randy Thomas.

Posted by: periculum | June 12, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Got to get younger- stronger, faster, and quicker. Smarter? I don't know...Thrash stayed around for as long as he did because of his work ethic and his intelligence. His play was pedestrian over the last few years.

Really appreciated his efforts and dedication to the team.

It's been long overdue to get younger, and hopefully better, at the WR spot.

Posted by: BigDeck | June 12, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse
Got to agree with you, BigDeck. Probably the bigger impact will be on Teams. But younger, stronger, faster...these are all things we need to do.

And to 4th...yes, it is a possibility we can resign him. But I'm reading between the lines here that JThrash is seriously injured, and will not return. I just hope his body will recover for him to lead a normal life.

Posted by: frediefritz | June 12, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Tough news. Seems like he was a tru Redskin. Best of luck to him in the future for his health and happiness.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | June 12, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Farewell Thrash. I'll always appreciate the little things you brought to the team.

Future WR coach?

Posted by: psps23 | June 12, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing Randy Thomas' wife has a hard time sleeping at night, but toughs it out b/c a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.

Posted by: dcsween | June 12, 2009 12:20 PM

So, sween, what are you implying that Thomas is doing to his wife at night that keeps her awake? "A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do?" That could be almost anything. Whatever it is, maybe she likes it?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 12, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

In the Gibbs 2.0 years, Jansen and Thrash would have lasted atleast until Training Camp.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 12, 2009 12:46 PM

In the Gibbs 2.0 years, they would have lasted past training camp. The would have lasted until Gibbs retired. Oh, right.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 12, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Could see this one coming. The guy did a lot of good things with the team. I like the idea of him sticking around in some capacity - hopefully as a special teams assistant. The team handled the Jansen release well, and I think they have handled this one well, too. This opens up the competition at wide receiver and may the best men win.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 12, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Future WR coach?

Posted by: psps23 | June 12, 2009 1:10 PM

More likely, special teams. But who knows whether he has any coaching skills? Maybe he'll be part of the PR team, like Cork.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 12, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Best of luck to him, thanks for your contributions, and hope you heal up...

there tbdog....that what you were looking for??

oh, and its spelled, "smaht"......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 12, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

"More likely, special teams."

I wonder if Danny Smith knows how to kick/punt/strike a ball properly. Or is he just a 'football' guy that designs schemes and lets the punter and kicker take care of themselves (and just cut them if they seem to not have "it").

Posted by: psps23 | June 12, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Best of wishes to James Thrash in his retirement and thanks for all you've done for the team during your 9 years. Hope he will continue in some capacity with the team, possibly in the area of player development where he could help some of the younger players adjust to the NFL life.

I hope that he doesn't try to hang on for another season with another team and risk a more serious injury to his neck. He's had such a long and successful career, especially for an undrafted FA. It would be nice to see him go out the right way.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 12, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

May be the end of his playing career but not nearly the end of his career with the NFL.

"Though we had to make this decision, we are confident that James will be involved in some capacity within the Redskins organization." -Zorn

What you think Zorny is sayin?

Posted by: alex35332 | June 12, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

alex,

This is just a guess, but I'm thinking Zorn's saying that they want to hire James in some capacity: to be a coach; an administrator; a season ticket salesman; or a parking lot attendant.

He's being "kicked upstairs" as we say in the world of Big Business.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 12, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

What you think Zorny is sayin?

Posted by: alex35332 | June 12, 2009 1:42 PM

Give that young man a map to Ronald McDonald House. He'll likely be a team ambassador. A former player who will show up at community events on behalf of the team.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 12, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

From what we do know of Thrash I could see him working in any of the following areas.

- Strength and conditioning
- WR assistant, considering that our head WR coach is called a joke by other teams (supposedly).
- Special Teams, P/K cover specialist.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 12, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

You'll be missed.

Posted by: Gweez | June 12, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Nothing but respect for James Thrash, although this maybe about two years too late.

I would love to see him as a coach - special teams, anyone?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 12, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Perfect timing to sign Vick

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | June 12, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Looking at Thrash's career. Not bad career for a UFR.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 12, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

BTW. I dunno if Thrash would be a good head special teams coach, as Kicking/Punting are 2 areas I am guessing he knows nothing about.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 12, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | June 12, 2009 1:54 PM |

Well, look who's back. How was it channeling John Cork Madden? Did you learn anything about (a) Cork (b) Yourself (c) John Madden? And did you get any royalties off your video game?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 12, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

'Perfect timing to sign Vick'

I hope that statement was a joke unless you heard that Dan Snyder has a couple of unruly pit bulls he needs restrained.

Vick is damaged goods - and the real joke is there was more hype about his arrest than about his playing career.

Michael despite all the athletic ability he had was an average quarterback.

Posted by: leopard09 | June 12, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Writing was on the wall, but he will be missed. Let's hope he remains a presence in Washington for many years to come.

Posted by: drischord | June 12, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I gotta be honest; in his early years James Thrash was a machine, flying under the radar. Since we got him back from Philly he hasn't really produced all that much.

Posted by: OhTheHumanity | June 12, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

He co-owns a gym in upper Montgomery county....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 12, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse


I could be talked into bringing Vick in as a "slash".

Let him know up front that he's not competing as a QB, but he could be a 3rd downback, a slot guy, a return guy, let him throw some passes on some gadget plays. See how he works out on the team and in the NFL for a year.

If JC tanks this season and we let him walk, then (assuming year 1 worked out decently well and he's re-acclimated to the NFL) Vick could come back and compete for a QB spot.

If JC works out fine, then Vick could be released or retained in a slash role.

Posted by: p1funk | June 12, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I'd like to know the salary cap ramifications too. I'd like to pretend I know what the hell I'm talking about and relate how the Redskins are screwing up by blowing millions of dollars that could better be utilized on a 5th round draft choice.

Posted by: mcoghlan | June 12, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Just another small receiver with ok hands who never got us over the hump. Thanks for the years of service I guess...don't let the door hit you in arse on the way out.

Posted by: Fairbairn | June 12, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Good guy but this should have happened 3 or 4 seasons ago.

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | June 12, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Tough news. Seems like he was a tru Redskin. Best of luck to him in the future for his health and happiness.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | June 12, 2009 1:08 PM

A player cannot be a "true Redskin" or a "core guy" until he has been released. I believe this is called the Leigh Torrence Syndrome.

Posted by: dcsween | June 12, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

that makes M. Mason, a true redskin like 5 times over.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 12, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

that makes M. Mason, a true redskin like 5 times over.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 12, 2009 2:40 PM

and get ready for number 6

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 12, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

should have never got him back from Philly...worst front office in the NFL. It's not even a contest!

Posted by: Fairbairn | June 12, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

should have never got him back from Philly...worst front office in the NFL. It's not even a contest!

Posted by: Fairbairn | June 12, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Chastity Bono announces sex change

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Chastity Bono is having a sex change to become a man. A spokesman for Bono, born a girl to Sonny and Cher, says he "has made the courageous decision to honor his true identity" and began the sex-change process earlier this year. Publicist Howard Bragman said Bono is proud of his decision and hopes "that his choice to transition will open the hearts and minds of the public regarding this issue."

The 40-year-old writer, activist and reality-TV star came out as gay 20 years ago, Bragman said.

In the book "Family Outing: A Guide to the Coming-Out Process for Gays, Lesbians, & Their Families," Bono describes the realization of being "somehow different — specifically different from who my mom expected me to be."

A message left with Cher's representatives was not immediately returned Thursday.

Bono's second book, "The End of Innocence: A Memoir," details how relationships with Joan, a lover, and Sonny and Cher changed after coming out.

In 1995, Bono posed for the cover of the gay magazine The Advocate and began working for the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD).

Would this surgury be called an Addadictomy?

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 12, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Ladell will be the next core redskin sacked!

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 12, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

should have never got him back from Philly...worst front office in the NFL. It's not even a contest!

Posted by: Fairbairn | June 12, 2009 2:47 PM

Actually, it is. Raiders? Rams? Chicago? Denver? Tampa? Buffalo? Kansas City?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 12, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget Cincy!

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 12, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Ah, one of those contests where everyone loses, especially the fans. What a joy.

Hail.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 12, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget Cincy!

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 12, 2009 3:07 PM

I feel so stupid for overlooking them. Refused to trade ocho-cinco for two first round picks.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 12, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I would guess scout to start with. That's were a lot of ex-players start at the pro level. Otherwise it's the offensive/defensive assistant or quality control position. Sort of like an intern, do the film breakdowns, etc.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 12, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Come on! Worst NFL Front Office

The Oakland Raiders and Al Davis

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 12, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Worst 5 FO's

1. Oakland
2. KC
3. St. Louis
4. Redskins
5. Tampa Bay

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 12, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Now if Albert, Oka, MK, & DT have decent years and the O-line doesn't self destruct from lack of talent, I would drop us out of the top 5.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 12, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

No one likes Mr. Thrash more than I do, but you have to admit that he's one of those guys who if he's on the roster proves the team doesn't have much talent. Every season for the past five, people have said, "Isn't there someone out there who's better than Thrash?"

Posted by: shoveit | June 12, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Typical Marty-ball decision, he released Thrash in favor of Kevin Lockett (who seemed convinced he had hands growing out of his chest, because that's how he tried to catch every pass thrown to him).

Thrash was a great player, Maybe he'll come back as an offensive quality control coach and teach our receivers how to run precise routes, catch with their hands and analyze game film.

Posted by: tkoho | June 12, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Thrash, as many have pointed out up here, was a marginal contributor with all the character traits one could want. So what does Thrash's departure mean?

In 2007, the Skins were loaded with character guys. Since the start of 2008, we've seen the reversal of that approach. The Skins still have plenty of character players, but as guys leave, its clear that character isn't a big consideration as to who steps in.

I've always believed its character that makes the difference in tough situations, more than talent. Tiger Woods is incredibly talented, but its his mental game that separates him from the pack. Magic, Bird, Jordan, Brady, Lott, Montana, Monk, Rice, etc were guys who were great physically, but who were winners because of their character.

Character issues have shown up on the resumes of several of our post 2007 additions (D Thomas, Bridges, Albert, Hall). In addition, we've seen issues with Landry and Portis post 2007. We tried to get Cutler, who just made someone's 'all-whiner' team.

Thrash proved to Kelly and Thomas that hard work means something. The question is, did they get the message?

Because Thrash was all about character over talent, his departure will continue the trend of adding talent and subtracting character. The real issue is whether we gain significant talent without losing much character, or the other way around.

My take on Thrash leaving? He didn't provide much on the field. But the Skins are treading into trickier waters as character guys get replaced. With guys like Fletcher and Samuels nearing the finish line, this is a story line that bears watching.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 12, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Mike Sellers
Todd Yoder

James Thrash
Fred Davis
Todd Collins
Renaldo Wynn
Marcus Mason

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 12, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Worst 5 FO's

1. Oakland
2. KC
3. St. Louis
4. Redskins
5. Tampa Bay

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 12, 2009 3:28 PM |

Redskins have been about a .500 team under Snyder. Hard to make a case that his front office is in the bottom third, much less the bottom five.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 12, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

what was devin thomas's character flaw again??

Sorry, what character issues does the team incur for looking into trading for a player??

complete reach's on all levels....

portis has character issues?? Other than Janky Spanky, and Sherrif Gon' Getcha, no...you're wrong.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 12, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Thomas showed for camp out of shape last year. You do recall that, right Greg. Cost him time preparing for the season. Wound up behind Thrash on the depth chart.

As for Portis, he melted down prior to the Cincy game -- which we lost -- and destroyed our playoff chances. Portis dropped a likely TD pass in that game.

As for Janky Spanky, etc -- I had no problem with that -- that's just a guy being funny

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 12, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

"I've always believed its character that makes the difference in tough situations, more than talent. Tiger Woods is incredibly talented, but its his mental game that separates him from the pack. Magic, Bird, Jordan, Brady, Lott, Montana, Monk, Rice, etc were guys who were great physically, but who were winners because of their character."

By 'character', do you mean 'the system of relatively permanent motivational and other traits that are manifested in the specific ways that an individual relates and reacts to others, to various kinds of stimuli, and the environment'?

Or do you mean a 'variety of attributes including the existence or lack of virtues such as integrity, courage, fortitude, honesty, and loyalty, or of good behaviors or habits'?

Because those are legit meanings of the term.

Where would Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, or Wilt Chamberlain fit?

Posted by: Samson151 | June 12, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Right - Or put more simply, character on the field may be different than character off the field.

Maybe Ray Lewis proves this point...he is a team leader and a great player on the field - off the field...?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 12, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

T_E

MSNBC ranks them at #26 for the decade

26. Washington Redskins
Record: 66-78
Playoff appearances: 2
Playoff record: 1-2
Losing seasons: 4
Conference championships: 0

Bottom Feeders:
27. 49'ers
28. Bengals
29. Bills
30. Texans
31. Browns
32. Lions

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 12, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

The Lions FO was so bad I would not rank them because I could have done as well or better than Matt Millen.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 12, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Character issues have shown up on the resumes of several of our post 2007 additions (D Thomas, Bridges, Albert, Hall). In addition, we've seen issues with Landry and Portis post 2007. We tried to get Cutler, who just made someone's 'all-whiner' team.

Thrash proved to Kelly and Thomas that hard work means something. The question is, did they get the message?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 12, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse


What have Thomas's "character" issues been?

He was slow to learn the playbook and adapt to the NFL level - but does that say something about his "character"?

And I don't know why you are calling out Kelly, when his issues have all been injury-related.

The Skins have also added Dockery, Wynn, Daniels. They expect Robert Thomas to contribute at LB. They have hopes pinned to Mike Williams. None of these guys bring "character" issues to the table (as far as I know), and Wynn/Daniels in particular were added in large part b/c of their leadership/character qualities.

Your argument would have alot more thrust if you could show that the Skins have brought in more question marks over/against the majority of other NFL teams.

Posted by: p1funk | June 12, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

By character, I mean guys who work hard, and are focused on winning over personal results. That add to the team in ways beyond their talent.

As for the worst front offices, I can't put the Skins in the bottom 5 because they are willing to spend the $$ to try to win. There are others that aren't very bright and don't try to win. I'd put us in the same area as (gasp) dallas (except for the parcells years). Spend lots, but often don't get value.

SF and Oakland are easily among the worst. StL and Cincy would be strong candidates as well for the worst 5.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 12, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Thrash never embarassed this organization or the NFL. Sad to say, that is an accomplishment in this day and age. He was an outstanding special teamer and contributed all over the field at different times. He worked with the talent he had been blessed with and he lasted in this league far longer than a lot of highly touted 1st round WRs.

First round picks in 1997:
Yatil Green – 15th pick, 18 career receptions, 0 TDs
Reidel Anthony, 16th pick, 144 career receptions, 16 TDs
Rae Carruth, 27th pick, 62 career receptions, 4 TDs, sentenced to 18-24 years for conspiracy to commit murder

Rod Gardner (wide receiver, the), 15th pick (2001 draft ), 242 career receptions, 23 TDs

James Thrash, Undrafted free agent, 290 career receptions, 22 TDs, 71 tackles

Thanks, James, for wearing the burgundy and gold...and maroon.

Posted by: MrDumberton | June 12, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

My plan for the Lions would have been to build from the OL/DL first year, add some skill people (QB, RB, WR) second year and then DB/LB third year (Rounds 1-3). Rounds 4-7 best player available.

I bet I would not have gone 0-16

:)

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 12, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Thomas showed for camp out of shape last year. You do recall that, right Greg. Cost him time preparing for the season. Wound up behind Thrash on the depth chart.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 12, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse


When Thomas showed up he was not in tip-top shape...same could be said for a few veterans too. Let's call it a "rookie mistake", since he was a rookie and made a mistake.

What speaks to "character" is how he has responded since then. I never heard any issue regarding him loafing in practice. By all accounts he's been working out over the offseason, he's been involved in OTAs.

Posted by: p1funk | June 12, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

coming into an NFL camp, and not being in NFL shape is considered a character flaw?? Really?? Perhaps he wasn't as prepared as he needed to be, that happens to a lot of rookies. If he did it lets say 2 years in a row, or blew off trying to improve himself, sure, label it then, but sorry, he was a rookie, and not the first one who wasn't ready for the NFL game.

Go back and review every one of the carries that portis has had the past 2 years, and then come back about him being a non-character guy. Please...thats weak, even for a Friday.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 12, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Thank god. It's about damn time. Thrash was worthless and has been for years. His spot easily could have been better used to find another serviceable wideout over the years.

Hopefully they keep Roydell Williams. That man can ball.

Posted by: laxpro95 | June 12, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

"By character, I mean guys who work hard, and are focused on winning over personal results"

chief, portis is one of the hardest working guys on the team, by your own definition, Portis is the very essence of a character guy......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 12, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

noone--MSNBC ranked teams, not front offices. And their rankings are bizarre-o. Cards are higher than the Redskins with a 52-92 record in a wissie conference. KC? Same record, more losing seasons, no playoff wins, but higher? Atlanta, worse record, more losing seasons but higher?

MSNBC got nothing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 12, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Lots of Redskins related news up PFT. NOthing we don't know about, though. Except for..........

Trent Green To Retire
Posted by Aaron Wilson on June 12, 2009, 1:04 p.m.
Veteran NFL quarterback Trent Green has opted to retire, telling Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com that it was time to move on after dealing with a series of serious concussions in recent years.

Green, 38, was cut by the St. Louis Rams during the offseason after backing up Marc Bulger last season and starting one game.

Green threw no touchdowns with six interceptions last season.

“I feel this is finally the right time,” Green said. “I’ve talked about it with [family] for a while, especially with the concussions over the last few years. We all felt it was the time to do it. . . .

“The way I approached the game, the amount of work I put into my preparation and being someone guys can turn to in the locker room, I don’t want to be a guy who waits for someone to get hurt to get a job.”

Green is going to pursue a career in broadcasting.

Green played in the NFL for 15 seasons, passing for 28,475 career yards, 162 touchdowns and 114 interceptions.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 12, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 12, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Well, look who's back. How was it channeling John Cork Madden? Did you learn anything about (a) Cork (b) Yourself (c) John Madden? And did you get any royalties off your video game?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 12, 2009 1:57 PM

Judging from the last couple of post under that name, I'd say not too well t_e. I guess people thought it was cool to take shots at me under a different name.

Forgive them for they know not what they do -- and who they insulted!

I now may somewhat know what it feels like to be TheCork, people are always roasting that dude. Him and Periculum.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 12, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

We lost Green while that idiot son of Jack Kent Cooke was running the team. Say what you will about Snyder, at least he wasn't one of those crumbs that fell off the Cookie.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 12, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Thomas showed for camp out of shape last year. You do recall that, right Greg. Cost him time preparing for the season. Wound up behind Thrash on the depth chart...


Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 12, 2009 3:46 PM |

This is not uncommon for rookies. He and the other rookies weren't "out of shape" in the sense that they had been couch potatoes prior to training camp. He and the others weren't in NFL shape. That's not a knock on his or their character. They didn't know.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 12, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I have never understood "character issues". I am a life long Redskins fan , meaning my Grandfather and father are season ticket holders. This is a football team , not a Bible study. As long as the Skins have good , young players that give 100 percent who cares. I currently do not see anyone on the roster with character issues. So what if AH stomped Gurode's face into hamburger; of if Portis hates to practice. Love him or hate him he is a top 5 back in this league. Sorry Thrash got cut, but it's a business and he was expendable.(Good character or not). Putting Mr. Rogers or Ned Flanders on the team will not win football games.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 12, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Please, bean. Don't even waste your time trying to defend Portis to others. His body of work speaks for itself.

If they don't know by now, they don't wanna know...

Posted by: RedDMV | June 12, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I now may somewhat know what it feels like to be TheCork, people are always roasting that dude. Him and Periculum.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 12, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse


TheCork invites it upon himself.

I've actually grown to like Peri.

If they are one and the same person (as some have theorized), let me encourage the cyber-schizo to retain "Peri" and drop "TheCork".

If they are not the same person, then apologies to Peri...

Posted by: p1funk | June 12, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

iH8... preaching the gospel right there @ 4:14 PM. Preach PREACHER!

Hmmmmmmmm....

Posted by: RedDMV | June 12, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Damn...first Jansen, now this. Blog regulars rejoice...

Kinda feels like when a terminally ill relative dies. You know it's coming, but you're still pretty sad when the day finally comes.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 12, 2009 12:15 PM
___________________________________________

Great analogy. Seeing a 3rd string WR cut is EXACTLY like having a spouse or parent die. Putz.

Posted by: ElSith | June 12, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Whoops. Yeah, what BG said.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 12, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Please, bean. Don't even waste your time trying to defend Portis to others. His body of work speaks for itself.

If they don't know by now, they don't wanna know...

Posted by: RedDMV | June 12, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse


I must say that Portis is quite a mystery to me.

On the one hand, he's a true baller who is willing to do the dirty work and brings it every Sunday.

On the other hand, he has a mean prima-donna streak, expects special treatment, and has thrown his coach and teammates under the bus (not to mention his penchant for dressing like a tranny to do press bits).

He's definitely a character...

Posted by: p1funk | June 12, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I think this was missed. From the other Paper:

"* Jason Campbell again looked sharp, particularly in the red zone portion of practice. He said he'll spend the time off visiting his family but still preparing for the season. "The next six weeks, you take a little break and come back ready to roll because it's going to be hot and steamy."

Fourth-string quarterback Chase Daniel didn't receive many snaps on Monday but got a ton of work today, including time with the first-string offense. It's going to be tough for Daniel to make the 53-man roster because Todd Collins still looks serviceable, which keeps Colt Brennan as the No. 3 passer.

* Albert Haynesworth's 8-year old son was all over the artificial turf during the practice, climbing on the equipment and having a lot more fun than the media.

"He loves to be out playing," he said. "If you ask him, we would have another week of OTAs but that's not on my agenda."

Another quote from Haynesworth proves that he doesn't read the D.C. papers or watch the local television stations.

About Landry finally arriving, he said: "In Nashville, you would be all over the media because you didn't come to a voluntary workout. Here, it's a little more relaxed."

The Landry thing was all over the local media because he was the only healthy player not here.

* Zorn said he has some vacation plans for his family but nothing adventurous like extreme mountain climbing.

"I'll have some football stuff with me but it won't monopolize my vacation," he said. "I have some expeditions planned but none on a steep rock."

* And finally, especially when training camp starts, you should follow my updates on Twitter.

- Ryan O'Halloran
"

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 12, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

p1 -- wasn't calling out Kelly, though he also wasn't in shape at training camp last year. More pointing to the fact that they could learn something from Thrash.

As for where the Skins stand in terms of bringing in question marks, I'm not keeping stats. I do recall it being reported Albert had to miss some OTA time to deal with the case in which a guy got paralyzed. That Bridges had a significant run in with the law (though the champagne thing seemed like BS) and that Hall has had issues in both Oakland and ATL. Those are 3 guys are likely starters, including 2 of the highest paid guys on the team.

As for Daniels and Wynn, one was here last year and one replaced Evans, not a big change in terms of character as best as I can tell.

Dockery has been a challenge. Nothing too bad, but seems like he struggles with something -- his poor performance in Buffalo suggests maybe he needs help in being motivated -- not sure what is going on there. Being next to Samuels seems like a good thing.

Robert Thomas, I have no idea what he brings or doesn't bring. I do know Marcus was a guy that motivated other players. Andre Carter said he'd miss Marcus a lot because of the way he helped fire guys up.

Mike Williams is another guy I don't know much about. Not sure what happened when he crashed a few years back or what he has become since. It does sound like he could be a real inspiration, but I don't know. Still, I suspect its Bridges that wins that job.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 12, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

p1, both of them are cool with me. I just hate to read a Portis bashing post from Peri. His dislike for him is so glaring, and I believe it has nothing to do with his play on the field.

How could it. Portis is a stone cold beast on Sundays when the line is good and healthy.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 12, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I have always been a JT fan. One question, Is he white or black??? (not that it matters, just curious)

Posted by: mikelemm | June 12, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

"By character, I mean guys who work hard, and are focused on winning over personal results"

chief, portis is one of the hardest working guys on the team, by your own definition, Portis is the very essence of a character guy......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Going on a radio show and cussing out your head coach ISN'T focused on winning. Sorry Greg, but you know better.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 12, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Portis(if he wins a Superbowl in the Burgundy and Gold) will surpass Riggo as the best Skins back ever.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 12, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

using your words.

does portis work hard??

does he focus on winning??

"do recall it being reported Albert had to miss some OTA time to deal with the case in which a guy got paralyzed"

Which happened during a car accident, right?? So...ever been in a car accident??

Cuz, if you have been then you yourself are a person of the same questionable character as AH.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 12, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

When Portis gets drunk and pukes on Sandra Day O'Connor, then maybe he will surpass Riggo.

Posted by: MrDumberton | June 12, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Putting Mr. Rogers or Ned Flanders on the team will not win football games.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 12, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse


And going all-in on guys like Mike Vick can set an entire franchise back several years.

"Character" guys don't HAVE to be the ones going to a Bible study.

But I'd rather have the guys spending their time sitting in a Bible study as opposed to sitting around polishing their illegal gun cache, or laying bets on a dog-fight, or explaining to the cops why their girlfriend has a domestic violence beef, or getting busted for drug possession or DUI.

...those things also don't help teams win football games.


Posted by: p1funk | June 12, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

zcezce: "By character, I mean guys who work hard, and are focused on winning over personal results. That add to the team in ways beyond their talent."

I see. You mean 'something I made up to explain why some players are more successful than others, but which can't actually be measured in any objective way.'

Posted by: Samson151 | June 12, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

I have never understood "character issues". I am a life long Redskins fan , meaning my Grandfather and father are season ticket holders. This is a football team , not a Bible study. As long as the Skins have good , young players that give 100 percent who cares. I currently do not see anyone on the roster with character issues. So what if AH stomped Gurode's face into hamburger; of if Portis hates to practice. Love him or hate him he is a top 5 back in this league. Sorry Thrash got cut, but it's a business and he was expendable.(Good character or not). Putting Mr. Rogers or Ned Flanders on the team will not win football games.

Posted by: iH8dallas

which is why I explained character issues earlier ... its how teams react when things are tough. If you want to see a team with character issues, see that team you hate. Talent-wise, they have been among the best in football. But how many playoff games have they won? Its about character.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 12, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Is he white or black??? (not that it matters, just curious)

Posted by: mikelemm | June 12, 2009 4:25 PM

I have always wondered that myself. If you find out, please post it up here.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 12, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

will surpass Riggo as the best Skins back ever.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 12, 2009 4:32 PM

In my book yes. No question. And potential HOF if he keeps this up for another 4-6 years.

BUT, i don't see it that way for any fan who is 50 and older. And the local media and ESPN. The NFL Network has embraced him and his multitudes of character, though.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 12, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I must say that Portis is quite a mystery to me.

On the one hand, he's a true baller who is willing to do the dirty work and brings it every Sunday.

On the other hand, he has a mean prima-donna streak, expects special treatment, and has thrown his coach and teammates under the bus (not to mention his penchant for dressing like a tranny to do press bits).

He's definitely a character...

Posted by: p1funk | June 12, 2009 4:19 PM


Can't even argue at all about him being a prima-donna and expecting special treatment, becasue all great players do.

It's a known fact that Jerry Rice (GOAT) was known for his prima-donna ways. But he played in a time where sports news wasn't accessible on this large of a scale.

It was somewhat of a secret then, and it's a forgotten fact now.

Donovan McNabb makes comments about coaching, other players, and how that Philly fans hated him from day one. He also does his fair share of whining. But he's all around considered a good guy - why not Portis?

What some may call throwing players and coaches under the bus, I call voicing his opinion and sometimes speaking the truth.

Do I wish he'd shut his mouth now and then? Um, hell yeah. But he does for the most part. He doesn't complain every week about everything.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 12, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

The Greg has spoken! I think that you should have a blog of your own where people can go to find the answers to all of man's questions. Then, the people who want to read your arrogant responses and opinions can find it all in one place.

Posted by: NCMatt1 | June 12, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

zce: "Going on a radio show and cussing out your head coach ISN'T focused on winning. Sorry Greg, but you know better."

Always weak when you have to resort to schoolmarmishness to make your point.

I say you're making this up as you go along.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 12, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

The Skins gave up a 5th round pick to get Thrash back from the Eagles????? Ugh.

Portis never cursed Zorn out on the radio. He just sarcastically called him a "genius." And that all resulted from Portis' burning desire to play (he was coming off of his benching in the Ravens game).

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 12, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I thought the prototype of a high character guy would be someone like Shaggy on Scooby Doo.

Posted by: dcsween | June 12, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

yeah, ncmatt, maybe I should have just labeled Portis, and everyone else, what were the terms you used, "classless-thugs"....did i get that right.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 12, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

We lost Green while that idiot son of Jack Kent Cooke was running the team. Say what you will about Snyder, at least he wasn't one of those crumbs that fell off the Cookie.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 12, 2009 4:12 PM

The way I remember it was the team was in probate and noone (not me) was running the team. Cooke's son was trying to buy the team from the estate but could not come up with the amount of cash the Danny's team put together. So we lost a couple of FA's because we could not make any offers.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 12, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

The issue is not "character" with this team. The issue was the predictable play calling by Zorn in the second half of the season.
1st down-Portis
2nd down-Portis
3rd down-a pass 4 yds short of the first down
4th down-Punt
Look at the second game against Philly last year. Nothing to play for but the D had something to prove, and the mighty McNabb and westbrook could do nothing.
The problems on this team were not character. "Character issues" is something ESPN makes up so people have a reason to watch NFL Live in the middle of June.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 12, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Can't even argue at all about him being a prima-donna and expecting special treatment, becasue all great players do.

It's a known fact that Jerry Rice (GOAT) was known for his prima-donna ways. But he played in a time where sports news wasn't accessible on this large of a scale.

It was somewhat of a secret then, and it's a forgotten fact now.

Donovan McNabb makes comments about coaching, other players, and how that Philly fans hated him from day one. He also does his fair share of whining. But he's all around considered a good guy - why not Portis?

What some may call throwing players and coaches under the bus, I call voicing his opinion and sometimes speaking the truth.

Do I wish he'd shut his mouth now and then? Um, hell yeah. But he does for the most part. He doesn't complain every week about everything.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 12, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse


I too wish he'd shut his mouth more and just bring it, and I'm not saying he's the constant malcontent that a guy like T.O. seems to be.

I don't think Portis should get special treatment, because he's never won anything.

Jerry Rice has earned special treatment. He's deserves to be a prima-donna, like any great champion who has delivered rings and broken records.

Portis is a nice player and a top 10 running back in the league over the past few years. But he's never led the league in rushing, or TDs, he's never won an MVP, he's not broken any big records, and he's never won a ring.

...if dude wants the royal treatment, he should get a crown first...

Posted by: p1funk | June 12, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

"Yoinks, Scoob, what I wouldn't give for a Scooby Snack now" = munchies

Posted by: dcsween | June 12, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

‘Skins Sign Another One
Posted by Mike Florio on June 12, 2009, 4:32 p.m.
It figures.

I tap out this afternoon to take care of some business unrelated to writing for the site, and Aaron Wilson is on duty for a couple of good stories.

I tap back in, and I get to write about the Redskins signing a sixth-round slapola.

Linebacker Robert Henson, the 186th overall pick in the draft, agreed to terms with Washington today, the team announced. Henson played college football at TCU.

The Redskins also cut long snapper Jeremy Cain and linebacker Tyson Smith.

I’ll tread some more water here for the next hour so, and then when I hand the reins again to Wilson, Mike Vick will be reinstated, a new CBA will be announced, and they’ll finally find a cure for polio.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 12, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Which happened during a car accident, right?? So...ever been in a car accident??

Cuz, if you have been then you yourself are a person of the same questionable character as AH.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

I guess all car crashes are equal. Funny how I don't recall grand jury indictments in any of the car accidents I've been involved in.

Of course, Albert has the longest suspension in modern NFL history for an on-field incident.

I'm sure you can't see that there are character issues here. It doesn't matter how big the dots are if your brain can't connect them.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 12, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

All this thug talk reminds me of Blazing Saddles when the new sheriff is introduced to the town of Rock Ridge.

The sheriff is a . What? I said the sheriff is a .

That movie is the best put-down of racism in America ever.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 12, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

"Going on a radio show and cussing out your head coach ISN'T focused on winning."

Posted by: zcezcest1

Yep, you're 100% correct.

It's called telling the truth.

Portis questioned his game planning, ONLY AFTER Zorn made numerous comments questioning his practice habits and questioning the validity of his injuries.

As a man, you're just going to sit there and have your character picked apart like that? I hope not.

If Zorn had a beef with Portis he should've gave him the due respect and took to him man to man. Not air it out in front of the media. Zorn clowned him and degraded him like he was a rookie or worse -- Brandon Lloyd.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 12, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I like John Daly.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 12, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I like the Sprite can he wore yesterday better.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 12, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

...if dude wants the royal treatment, he should get a crown first...

Posted by: p1funk | June 12, 2009 4:45 PM

Dennis Green Agrees with you....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 12, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

...if dude wants the royal treatment, he should get a crown first...

Posted by: p1funk | June 12, 2009 4:45 PM

Dennis Green Agrees with you....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_N1OjGhIFc

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 12, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody know the name brand of the pants he has been wearing lately. I need some for casual Friday.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 12, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

agreed that if winning a statistical categorey, or even better, win a championship will put him up there with the who's who of the NFL all-times.

hey! "classless thug" dude is back.

speaking of wondering who's black and white, what are you NCMatt? Not that it matters or anything, but I am curious. It'll let me know where you're really coming from, ya know?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 12, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

yeah, ncmatt, maybe I should have just labeled Portis, and everyone else, what were the terms you used, "classless-thugs"....did i get that right.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Just can't give that one up can you Greg? I called Landry a thug, not Portis. Whether thug was the correct way to describe LaRon, well I will leave that one up to you since you are the end all know all. Keep the arrogant comments coming.

Posted by: NCMatt1 | June 12, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

...if dude wants the royal treatment, he should get a crown first...

Posted by: p1funk | June 12, 2009 4:45 PM

Dennis Green Agrees with you....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 12, 2009 4:52 PM

lol, funny ish right there...

"You wanna crown 'em? Then crown..."

Best NFL rant and rave ever!

Posted by: RedDMV | June 12, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

The way I remember it was the team was in probate and noone (not me) was running the team. Cooke's son was trying to buy the team from the estate but could not come up with the amount of cash the Danny's team put together. So we lost a couple of FA's because we could not make any offers.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 12, 2009 4:44 PM |

I think the estate was in probate, not the team, and that Junior was running it with the advice of Chas. Casserly. While Junior was running it, he's the one who named the stadium Jack Kent Cooke stadium. But I don't recall that the team ever had "no one" running it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 12, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

You want to be the office harlequin?

John Daly argylin' it.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 12, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

zcezce: "By character, I mean guys who work hard, and are focused on winning over personal results. That add to the team in ways beyond their talent."

I see. You mean 'something I made up to explain why some players are more successful than others, but which can't actually be measured in any objective way.'

Posted by: Samson151

not gonna get sucked into a definitions battle -- at least anymore than I already have. Gibbs used to tell his rookies "Watch Art Monk practice and do what he does". That's good character. Jerry Rice, since he got brought up, was never a character problem because he worked so damn hard.

There are lots of examples of how character issues work for and against a team. plaxico is helping the jints to the playoffs and perhaps another super bowl. Oops, he shots himself and the jints are gone in the 1st round of the playoffs. Albert stomps on a cowboy, gets suspended for 5 games. ST21 spits on an opponent and gets tossed out of a playoff game.

So yes, there are ways to look at it. I think Portis and his radio meltdown did impact the team and had a role in the loss to the a Bengal team with 1 win.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 12, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I called Landry a thug, not Portis.

Posted by: NCMatt1 | June 12, 2009 4:56 PM

You called Landry a classless thug? I thought that was Greg. My bad. Sorry, Greg.

Posted by: dcsween | June 12, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Notwithstanding his attire, I doubt that John Daly could even FIT into a clown car.

Posted by: dcsween | June 12, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

All this thug talk reminds me of Blazing Saddles when the new sheriff is introduced to the town of Rock Ridge.

The sheriff is a . What? I said the sheriff is a .

That movie is the best put-down of racism in America ever.

Posted by: noonefromtampa

Saw that movie again on Wednesday evening. So darn funny.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 12, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Having good practice habits or a strong work ethic doesn't necessarily mean you have good character. While it may demonstrate that you have a good character trait it does not necessarily reflect the whole person. A guy may practice hard but go home and beat his wife or not pay his debts.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 12, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

...if dude wants the royal treatment, he should get a crown first...

Posted by: p1funk | June 12, 2009 4:45 PM

Dennis Green Agrees with you....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 12, 2009 4:52 PM

lol, funny ish right there...

"You wanna crown 'em? Then crown..."

Best NFL rant and rave ever!

Posted by: RedDMV | June 12, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse


Up there with Jim Mora's "Playoffs!?!? P-P-P-Playoffs!?!?"

...especially b/c Mora had kind of a high squeaky voice.

Posted by: p1funk | June 12, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Keep the arrogant comments coming.

Posted by: NCMatt1 | June 12, 2009 4:56 PM

You'll grow to like bean... like many here he seems to know his sh*t when it comes to football, and you'll appreciate him and others when football starts. I mean, from my copy and paste, you sort of know him already - lol...

Especially when the season starts. When everyone else is freaking out 'cause the 'skins are tanking, he'll be the calm one chewing on Ritalin and Xanax.

Indeed a cool customer.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 12, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

will surpass Riggo as the best Skins back ever.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 12, 2009 4:32 PM

In my book yes. No question. And potential HOF if he keeps this up for another 4-6 years.

BUT, i don't see it that way for any fan who is 50 and older. And the local media and ESPN. The NFL Network has embraced him and his multitudes of character, though.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 12, 2009 4:37 PM

Riggo was the feature back on 2 SB teams, and had the most memorable play in team history.
I hope CP is the feature back on 2 SB teams. Or 1 SB team. I miss the Skins in the SB...yeah, that's where I'm going with this.
Portis likely doesn't have 4-6 years left as a stud running back...all those carries take a toll, and he's not even remotely as big as Riggo was, and he's getting hit by much bigger and faster defenders as well.

I'm not even close to 50. Getting near 40 though [I'm a man, I'm almost 40!]. And I love CPs character(s).


Posted by: 4-12 | June 12, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 12, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

beep beep y buen fin de semana.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 12, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Best NFL rant and rave ever!

Posted by: RedDMV | June 12, 2009 4:57 PM

I would say it is in the upper echelon of rants.

*Green's They are who we thought they were

*Mora's Playoffs?!?! You kidding Me!?
Playoffs?!?

*Mora's You think you know, but you really don't know

*Mora's 'Diddly Poo' statement

*Herm's, 'YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME'

*T.O.'s 'That's my Quarterback'

That's just off the top of my head.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 12, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

p1, you forgot when his voice broke - "Ah, playoffs..."

Indeed. Him and Denny Green are 1A and 1B.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 12, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

First Leigh Torrence...now this. The Skins have the worst FO EVER!!!!

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | June 12, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Ah man, forgot about the diddly poo from Mora...

"we couldn't do diddly poo... we couldn't run the ball, we didn't try and run the ball..."

T.O.'s that my quarterback is too damn funny.

"You can point the finger and talk about the vacation.. and if you do that - it's unfair. It's really unfair..."

Posted by: RedDMV | June 12, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

I called Landry a thug, not Portis.

Posted by: NCMatt1 | June 12, 2009 4:56 PM

You called Landry a classless thug? I thought that was Greg. My bad. Sorry, Greg.


Posted by: dcsween

As I am sure that you can see dcsween, Greg really cares about what you think.

Posted by: NCMatt1 | June 12, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

The skins of the 80's a lot of us remember so fondly were loaded with questionable characters:
Riggo (my favorite but his antics are legendary)

The Hogs: Drank like fish, and were not famous for sensitivity.

Dexter: enough said.

Gary Clark: he was an a-hole in public, I saw him out many times and he treated people like dirt.

Point is "character" is not as important if the team is winning. As long as they are not getting locked up or failing drug tests, I am cool with it. There are a few cancers like T.O. I would say not on my team though. Besides remember that these guys, for the most part, are young and most young men given large sums of $$ are going to do a few dumb things.

Posted by: Deadfish | June 12, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

zcezce: "not gonna get sucked into a definitions battle -- at least anymore than I already have. Gibbs used to tell his rookies "Watch Art Monk practice and do what he does". That's good character. Jerry Rice, since he got brought up, was never a character problem because he worked so damn hard."

Don't know anything about art, but you know what you like.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 12, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Thrash maybe a nice guy, but be honest he has been stealing NFL paychecks for years. He has never been more than a 4th receiver on teams w/poor wr's

Posted by: cr10 | June 12, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

What specifically does Vinnie need to fail in order for him to get cut?

Posted by: Reader1000 | June 12, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Thrash was a loyal special teams troopa, give him his props.."..And there's hamburger all over the highway in sectors R through M.."

Posted by: frak | June 12, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

++++Thrash maybe a nice guy, but be honest he has been stealing NFL paychecks for years. He has never been more than a 4th receiver on teams w/poor wr's+++++

I guess you have never heard of special teams before? He's been a tremendous special teams player his entire career.

But alot of fans on here know very little about football past offensive statistics. You are not the minority.

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | June 12, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Kinda feels like when a terminally ill relative dies. You know it's coming, but you're still pretty sad when the day finally comes.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 12, 2009 12:15 PM
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Great analogy. Seeing a 3rd string WR cut is EXACTLY like having a spouse or parent die. Putz.

Posted by: ElSith | June 12, 2009 4:18 PM

brownwood26=knucklehead

Posted by: AntonChigurh | June 12, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Best of luck Mr. Thrash - you were a real team player, and you will succeed in business, education, or whatever you do next. Winners are winners - and you are a winner sir !

Posted by: bfjam | June 12, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Is the photo newer than this one?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_t9D_ovmGhQE/Rq-Y5MJw_tI/AAAAAAAAKS4/i_nWYbePvMc/s400/LaRon+Landry.jpg

Posted by: dcsween | June 12, 2009 11:59 AM

That's a big dude.

Posted by: 4thFloor

He did not look that big when Brandon Jacobs made him a part of the field when he ran over him in NY! He needs to quit doing curls and posing in front of the mirrors and get under the squat rack or do some power cleans.

Posted by: NCMatt1 | June 12, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse
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It's not like Landry was standing in front of Jacobs when they hit!! He was coming in from the side and Jacobs caught him with his right pad. Landry still made the tackle though!!!
Bottom line, squats would not have helped!! He needed to hit him at the knees!!

Posted by: dckidwell | June 12, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

We lost Green while that idiot son of Jack Kent Cooke was running the team. Say what you will about Snyder, at least he wasn't one of those crumbs that fell off the Cookie.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 12, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse
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Wrong!! Green signed with the Chiefs as a free agent while the league was holding up the intitial Milstein-Snyder bid. If you recall that bid was rejected and the Skins were in limbo until Snyder made a second bid without Milstein.
Cooke had nothing to do with it since all transactions were frozen until the sale was completed.

Posted by: dckidwell | June 12, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Kinda feels like when a terminally ill relative dies. You know it's coming, but you're still pretty sad when the day finally comes.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 12, 2009 12:15 PM
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Great analogy. Seeing a 3rd string WR cut is EXACTLY like having a spouse or parent die. Putz.

Posted by: ElSith | June 12, 2009 4:18 PM

brownwood26=knucklehead

Posted by: AntonChigurh | June 12, 2009 7:38 PM

Go easy on brownwood. He's a good fan who also happens to be very, very stupid.

Posted by: mack1 | June 12, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm surprised Vinnie Cerrato knew Thrash was on the team.

He's still convinced he drafted Terrell Owens in SF. He's an unlucky combination of delusional and incompetent.

Posted by: Ombudsman1 | June 12, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to one of my favorite Washington football players. James did whatever he was asked to do without ever complaining. Hope some of his character rubs off on his remaining team mates. Best wishes for the future.

Posted by: phillips5430 | June 12, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Always liked seeing Thrash play, he always played like it was a neighborhood game, go 100 percent or go home.
(Y'don't always see that in the pros.)

Posted by: kls1 | June 13, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Thank you James,
You gave your all to the team, and us fans not only recognized the effort, but we applauded it.

I hope your neck heals well, and you quickly rejoin the team, in some capacity.

Posted by: dashriprock | June 13, 2009 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Portis is not a good character guy. I don’t think he is good teammate either. He threw his O-line under the bus last season. For what reason? Because he needed to defend his stats publically????????? There is no I in Team. There is in Portis. He knew what he did and made no apologies. Did you hear the verbal fight between him and Brian Mitchell over that and other character related issues? Also, and this is not entirely Portis’ fault, but he has the ear of Daniel Snyder and uses it. I have no earthly idea why he or Vinny consult Portis prior to trades, free agent signings and drafts. They must feel his ego needs to be stroked because GOD knows these two can screw up trades, free agents, and drafts all by themselves. Further, Portis has been disrespectful to his coaches. Gibbs had a few issues with Portis and Portis called Zorn a genius. For the people that posted that Zorn had publically humiliated Zorn, I remind you that Zorn could not get Portis to stop pulling himself out games. It is the coach’s job to control the player. I think Zorn did a fairly decent job of controlling Portis. I agree with Portis’ opinion of Zorn’s play calling but no player should voice his opinion of his coach. How many of us can publically insult our bosses and expect to have a job the next day?

For those of you who compare Portis to Riggo, need I remind you that Riggo was a team guy. He partied, hunted and fished with his teammates. I believe that is one of the reasons none of the guys got in trouble. A good portion of the team would have to been suspended. I also believe that was a different era when players played for the team’s stats vs. there own stats.

Personally, I think Portis should be traded. Yes he is a very good running back but I think we’d be better off without him in the locker room. I still wished we had Chump Bailey but that is a different story all together.

We’ll be a .500 +/- team again this season. No O-line, QB or receivers and no pass rush because our DEs (how old are Daniels and Wynn) and linebackers don’t scare anyone. Zorn gets fired and Shanahan is the next coach. Then maybe we can get some talent without breaking the bank.

Posted by: neil64 | June 13, 2009 2:06 AM | Report abuse

++++Thrash maybe a nice guy, but be honest he has been stealing NFL paychecks for years. He has never been more than a 4th receiver on teams w/poor wr's+++++

I guess you have never heard of special teams before? He's been a tremendous special teams player his entire career.

But alot of fans on here know very little about football past offensive statistics. You are not the minority.

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | June 12, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Thank you robinvabeach, you took the words right out of my mouth. Gibbs signed Thrash for the sole purpose of special teams, but as you said too many people do not understand all aspects of the game, they are too caught up in stats. Besides his special teams play Thrash also set an awesome example for the younger guys on the team. Coaches constantly praised his work ethic, now to alot of people on this blog that means nothing but to me that shows their total ignorance of football. Snyder has tried to build a team of superstars and we all saw how well that worked. Sometimes stats arnt everything and sometimes their are certain intangebles that make a person a good team player that cant be measured by stats and only people who truly know and love the game understand that. James Thrash will be missed, maybe not offensivly but as a leader and on special teams he will be. Hopefully he will remain with the team in a coaching aspect, to me the team would greatly benifit from his continued presence.

Posted by: hudginsc | June 15, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

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