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Three Redskins Make Pro Bowl

Jason Reid calls in another update:
It's no real surprise, just nice that it's finally official, that Sean Taylor has been elected to the NFC's Pro Bowl team, given that he has been one of the leading vote-getters. Chris Cooley and Chris Samuels also were elected.
Fullback Mike Sellers is a first alternate, Rock Cartwright is a second alternate at kick returner and Clinton Portis is a second alternate at running back. Linebacker London Fletcher was named a third alternate, as was rookie safety LaRon Landry.

By Cindy Boren  |  December 18, 2007; 5:10 PM ET
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that is great!

hail fellas!

Posted by: dwdjmu | December 18, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

wow, that's the most I can remember us having in a loooong time.


Posted by: P00P | December 18, 2007 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather the Redskins be secured of a spot in the playoffs than have any players make the pro-bowl. That aside, it is nice to see Taylor got selected.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | December 18, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

I ask this dumb question every year -- is there any difference in being a starter versus backup versus injury replacement, when people calculate Pro Bowls over the course of a career?

What I mean is, if LaRon Landry finishes his career with one Pro Bowl election as a third alternate (2007) and ten Pro Bowl elections as a starter (2008-2017), does he go down in history as a ten-time Pro Bowler or an eleven-time Pro Bowler?

This is the kind of stuff that drives me nuts, figuring this out. I know it's a beauty pageant and a popularity contest and all that, but the bottom line is it DOES come up...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 18, 2007 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Hail to 'em

Posted by: goskinsgo | December 18, 2007 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see. Sean absolutely deserved it, but boy are there mixed feelings.

Fletcher probably deserved to be in because he has been excellent and his leadership has been huge. He was the major change in a defense that went from bad to good. I could see Griffin as deserving, too.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 18, 2007 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Nate, you mean as in "Art Monk only went to 3 Pro Bowls"?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 18, 2007 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I hope the NFC honor's Taylor by only starting 10 men on the first play! # 21 deserves it! As for the selections, I don't understand how Barber makes it over Portis! Portis has more yards, and only 3 fewer td's behind a bunch of backups on the o-line!

Posted by: redryan400 | December 18, 2007 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Taylor probably had an incentive clause in his contract that will get his estate a few more dollars (as in a couple of hundred thousand) from the 'Skins for making the Pro Bowl.

Something for Jasno to look into?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 18, 2007 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if they will make a jersey for him for the pro bowl? It would be nice to see that they go ahead and make it available to the public like the rest of the players...

Posted by: skinsand8fan | December 18, 2007 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Portis has not been great. I was surprised he even got an alternate. His yards per carry has not been good. Cooley totally deserved it. Samuels was a close call. A good season, though he was taken apart by Dallas.

Not that it matters much, but is anyone else thinking its silly to have this done with 2 games left? I mean, if Portis has two huge game to beat Minn and Dallas, wouldn't that be a big deal?

And, as usual, Susan Lucci ... errr. I mean Fred Taylor got screwed.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 18, 2007 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, there are snubs every year but London Fletcher really deserved to go this year. That's a damn shame. Tatupu and Kerney both got in over him and Carter. Of Kerney's 13.5 sacks, 12 came in 6 games, 2 games against St Louis, and San Fran, vs Chicago and vs Arizona. He has 7 games without a sack. Good job taking advantage of the poor competition but he hasn't done ANYTHING against teams without subpar lines. Fletcher and Carter were much more deserving.

Posted by: DCsportsfan53 | December 18, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Isn't this the only year that Fred Taylor hasn't pulled a hammy puttin on his jersey? He has pulled so many hamstrings it used to make me wonder if fans would pull a hammy when they put his jersey on. ha ha..

Posted by: skinsand8fan | December 18, 2007 5:36 PM | Report abuse

In the image aware NFL, I'm sure Sean Taylor jerseys will be available. And they will wisely donate proceeds to a charity. Because making money of a dead guy is too crass, even for these guys. So they will take the opportunity to look like good guys instead. I'm sure they've already done the calculations ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 18, 2007 5:38 PM | Report abuse


Based on the coverage Sean Taylor received, I'd say it only counts as a Pro Bowl year if a player is selected to the first team (even if the player doesn't attend) or a player is brought in as an alternate and actually makes the trip to Hawaii.

But what happens when a player is invited to Hawaii, but can't make the trip?

Posted by: mugamack | December 18, 2007 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Also nice to see Rock getting some well deserved love. But as long as Hester is playing, everyone else is playing for alternate

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 18, 2007 5:46 PM | Report abuse

It's about time to announce the Redskins Insider blog peeps Pro Bowl selections, too, isn't it?

The winners get a some-expenses-paid trip to Northwest DC, to see where the snowcam footage is captured.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 18, 2007 5:50 PM | Report abuse

No Dre Carter? That's a snub.

Posted by: BryceAdams | December 18, 2007 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Nate, winners get to fly to DC at their own expense, then split a limo with Jasno and Cindy to the ESPNZone at the Inner Harbor, where you will receive a Crown Royal bag full of tokens and two drink coupons.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 18, 2007 6:01 PM | Report abuse

" ... is there any difference in being a starter versus backup versus injury replacement, ..."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 18, 2007 05:25 PM

It only makes a difference if you are a punter thinking about trying a fake punt and running for a first down on 4th and 21.

[Anyone see how Moorman did just that in the Browns snow bowl this past weekend? He actually had a gain of 4 yards out the the way back field!]

Posted by: dcsween | December 18, 2007 6:14 PM | Report abuse

So I'm going to be in frigging Holland when we play the Vikings and Cowboys.

Don't get me wrong. Holland is great. My wife is Dutch. Vla, ontbijtkoek, and a lot more great stuff. Dikes and windmills and cows and outstanding food and beer.

But not being here to see the games is gonna suck.

And apparently Dutch internet charges by the minute, so for family peace it's essentially impossible for me to just follow along on RI and suchlike.

I'll try to pick up Armed Forces radio and occasionally check in.

Posted by: farstriker | December 18, 2007 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, I thought perhaps Rabach had an outside chance. He's played a major role in keeping that line together this year despite all the injuries and changes.

They've had some bad moments to be sure; but the offensive line, given what happened, has been pretty solid.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 18, 2007 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Renaldo Wynn is the man! The past few years he had taken some needy children shopping for the holidays - along with Griff, Andre Carter, Phillip Daniels and a few additional Skins. Although he is now with the Saints he came back to DC today to continue the tradition...on his one day off. Also, he had Tshirts made for the Skins players who participated with Sean Taylor #21 on the sleeve. What a great guy!

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 18, 2007 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Renaldo Wynn may be the classiest guy in the league. When he went to the Saints, he actually posted on Extreme Skins and thanked all of the fans for their support during his time with the team.

How many guys would do that?

Posted by: freakzilla | December 18, 2007 6:39 PM | Report abuse

What about Rabach? He's supposesed to be the glue that holds the Skins line together so what's missing here? Samuels to me was based more on his past and his name then his performance this year. He's been solid, but definitely not Pro Bowl worthy.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 18, 2007 6:44 PM | Report abuse

I am just getting back from a great leg workout. It's great that Sean made it but sad that we will not see him again. It really took the wind out of me thinking about it.

Posted by: jm220 | December 18, 2007 6:51 PM | Report abuse

The Ghost of Meast will be on the field in Hawaii. I'm pretty sure Sean was with LaRon when he laid out Burress, too. Hail.

Posted by: LouisTheRogue | December 18, 2007 6:52 PM | Report abuse

freakzilla, I totally agree. Renaldo was asked by the Sportsnet reporter why he came back to do this when he is no longer a Skin....he replied "why wouldn't I? We've been doing this for the kids the last few years and I don't want to disappoint them."

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 18, 2007 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of leg workouts, have you ever participated in jump squats using your own weight? Most intense and grueling exercise I have ever done, leaves me ready to puke after I'm done. Guaranteed soreness for the next couple of days too. Try it sometime. Takes alot of mental toughness.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 18, 2007 6:55 PM | Report abuse

One more thing to mention that left me with mixed emotions.
"Joe Gibbs is open to the idea of remaining as coach of the Washington Redskins beyond the end of his contract next year. Last night, Gibbs didn't want to address a rumor that Redskins owner Dan Snyder had offered him a two-year extension." -- Washington Times

Posted by: ga8085 | December 18, 2007 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Thanks ga8085 I to try it. I don't know how the players deal with Sean not being around. It just make me really sad thinking about it and i didn't even know him.

Posted by: jm220 | December 18, 2007 7:03 PM | Report abuse

F the pro bowl.....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 18, 2007 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone else voted in the NFL Super Ad contest? I missed round 1, but just voted in round 2, which includes the NFC East, with CP and ARE contributing videos. Portis' video is entertaining, but El's video may be the best of the whole bunch. If you vote, make sure that you don't miss some of the videos, like I did the first time I voted. There are thumbnails displayed for four videos from each of the divisions represented in this round, but there are actually six videos for each division. You have to click an arrow to see the additional ones. Poor design, IMO.

Ephraim Salaam and Rosevelt Colvin's videos are also pretty good.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 18, 2007 7:30 PM | Report abuse


My feelings were mixed as well when I read that. They got even more fixed when thye said on Riggins' show this evening that there are rumblings that Mr. Snyder has offered Coach Gibbs a 2 year extension. *sigh*

Posted by: JustMe | December 18, 2007 7:44 PM | Report abuse

fixed = mixed
thye = they

Posted by: JustMe | December 18, 2007 7:46 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to send a shout out to SMACK:

Seasons Greetings!

You can thank Steinbog for sharing that gem. *giggle*

Posted by: JustMe | December 18, 2007 7:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm going on record as saying I'm in favor of Gibbs sticking around for a few more seasons.

It's not just that I honestly believe Joe still has the ability and the will to win. (In the vast minority on that, to be sure, among Skins fans and NFL fans at large.)

I'm ALSO in no hurry to see Snyder fall in love with some marquee name who's going to come in here and change everything up again. And I'm not sold on Grilliams or Saunders taking over, either.

HAIL to the greatest coach the Skins have ever had! And HAIL to the guy who looks like an older version of him and who is our coach now, and who is just pretty good!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 18, 2007 7:51 PM | Report abuse

I can't get over how weird Portis' neck is... not a sermon, just a thought.

Posted by: Dorf | December 18, 2007 7:56 PM | Report abuse

If you vote for me for the RI Blog Pro Bowl I promise to get soda machines in the cafeteria and and extra 2 minutes in between class periods. Oh yeah, and all your wildest dreams will come true.

Posted by: Dorf | December 18, 2007 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Uh, Dorf, huh??

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 18, 2007 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Nate, that's a classic class president speech.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 18, 2007 7:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm voting for you, Dorf. You're a lock to be named a starter in the East, which is having a down year (wherefore art thou, AMTTS? Megskin? MV Dame? those drive-by comments don't cut it.)

What position do you play again, Dorfo?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 18, 2007 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Pac NW solidarity, Nate. I agree.

We're on the cusp, and the last thing we need to do is to go changing things up.

The only way I'd be okay with Joe stepping down either now or at the end of next season, would be if everyone else stayed put. Double G stays, Crazy Al stays. If we were to bring in an outsider (say, the ever-popular Cowher), then even if he were a very good coach (say, the ever-popular Cowher), he would still change a whole bunch of things around. Head coaches always want their own guys, and you really can't blame them, but that would take us back to step one.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 18, 2007 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, and all your wildest dreams will come true.

I don't know, Dorf. You might want to hear some of my wild dreams before you start making promises.

Most of them involve flying unicorns.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 18, 2007 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Continuity! along with vigilance, lust for mayhem, and maps!

LH, I meant the neck thing he said before. I got the ND reference. Ligers and like such as. How are you doing, btw, LH? Good seeing you up here. Seems like you weren't around much for a while.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 18, 2007 8:06 PM | Report abuse

One procedural note: how is that this post is marked with the category "Jason La Canfora" when it was the other Jason who called it in? Just askin'...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 18, 2007 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, this Alaskan Brewing Winter Ale is fantastic. It's from Alaska, like Mark Schlereth. It says it's brewed with spruce tips. I have no idea what benefit that imparts, but I like the sound of it. It's rich and smooth and mellow.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 18, 2007 8:12 PM | Report abuse

You've pretty much described what I'd like to see, freakzilla. I'd like to see the rest of the staff, without Coach Joe on the sideline. If nothing else, it should clarify once and for all who has been responsible for some of the questionable decisions that have caused this team to be unsuccessful.

Posted by: JustMe | December 18, 2007 8:15 PM | Report abuse

I know I posted a link a few days ago to a thread about the RI volunteer trip to New Orleans, but I just found a photo album link in this thread which was posted one year ago today:

"Good morning all. Something totally off subject. Some people request a link to pictures of the work that was being done. Katie has a link with pictures see took. I hope everyone have a wonderful day.

Posted by: jm220 | December 19, 2006 09:15 AM"

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 18, 2007 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Re: CP's neck

I hear you, Dorf. I think his is the biggest neck I've ever seen. It's wider than his head, and I'm not sure I've ever seen that prior to him.

I wonder if he had it done. You know, implants.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 18, 2007 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Nate, I will try the Alaskan Winter Ale. I'm a big fan of their Summer Ale. It's made from orcas, I think. At least, there's one on the label.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 18, 2007 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Once more with feeling...
I'm well Nate. Thanks for asking. I've been too busy to post or read through as much as in the past.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 18, 2007 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Neck implants are all the rage down in Hollywood these days.

Congrats to Cooley and Samuels. I don't know what the proper salutation is for Sean's election, but I'm happy nonetheless.

Posted by: PDiddy | December 18, 2007 9:09 PM | Report abuse

BTW, on a completely random and lighthearted note (and, by lighthearted, I mean "WTF are these trashy celebrities thinking???"), Britney Spears' 16 year old kid sister is pregnant.

Posted by: PDiddy | December 18, 2007 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I know what would be fun on this Tuesday evening! Let's talk about Christmas movies! The missus and I have a list of them that we try to squeeze in every year. In no particular order:

1. White Christmas (I have my dad to thank for introducing me to this movie as a kid, because knowing the words to "Sisters" got me my wife.)

2. It's a Wonderful Life (Best movie ever?)

3. Scrooge (the old one, with Alastair Sim in the title role)

4. Scrooged (Classic Bill Murray, and Carol Kane makes this movie for me as the Ghost of Christmas Present, as she beats the tar out of Murray.)

5. Elf (The only one of the new spate of Christmas movies that we'll watch, and we'll watch this one over and over. Watched it last night while putting up the tree, in fact. Will Ferrell is great.)

6. Holiday Inn (another Irving Berlin great)

7. Christmas Vacation ("This here's an RV, Clark!")

8. Mystery Science Theater 3000 episode 521: "Santa Claus" (Okay, technically a movie within a TV show. Mike and the bots riff on a bizarre children's movie, made in Mexico, in which Santa, while making his Christmas Eve rounds, is harassed at every turn by Pitch, one of Satan's minions, who has been sent to Earth to thwart the Jolly Old Elf's annual distribution of joy. One of my favorite episodes of one of my very favorite TV shows. Sadly, only available as an AVI download from the internets.)

Not on the list because I haven't been able to convince my wife that they're Christmas movies, even though they take place at Christmas: Die Hard and Die Hard 2. :)

Posted by: freakzilla | December 18, 2007 9:22 PM | Report abuse

RIP Sean

Other than Darrell Green, you were the best DB ever for the Redskins.

Posted by: mmz114 | December 18, 2007 9:22 PM | Report abuse

There's Bad Santa, zilla, but that one is definitely not for the whole family.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 18, 2007 9:24 PM | Report abuse

White Christmas is amazing. Bada Bing!

We didn't make a lot of progress on the sign suggestions for our blog peep in Minnesota. I was hoping that would be fertile ground for this group.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 18, 2007 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Any Christmas movie list has to include "A Christmas Story".

"Elf" is awesome.

Posted by: PDiddy | December 18, 2007 9:35 PM | Report abuse

I'd offer up the best Hanukkah movies of all time, but I don't think there are any Hanukkah movies.

Of all the Christmas stuff, the best, in a complete runaway, is the Grinch. Not the movie of course, but Boris Karloff narrated original. With Tony the Tiger, Thurl Ravenscroft singing. Priceless.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 18, 2007 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Diddy, I knew I was leaving something out, and you nailed it. "A Christmas Story" is definitely high on the list.

zcezcest1, don't get me going on Christmas specials. That's a whole other list! :) (Grinch, Charlie Brown Christmas, Rudolph, Frosty, and Garfield are all on my must-watch list every year.)

Posted by: freakzilla | December 18, 2007 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor was the highlight of the last Pro Bowl...I'm really going to mis his great hits!

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | December 18, 2007 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and zcezcest1, didn't Adam Sandler make an animated Hanukkah movie a few years back?

Posted by: freakzilla | December 18, 2007 9:46 PM | Report abuse

musta been a classic ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 18, 2007 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Okay, Nate, some sign ideas for the Minny game...


Cindy Boren asks: "Are you ready for some TODDBALL?"

IR = Bad
RI = Good!

Sudoku is for lamewads. Hi, Al & John!

Posted by: freakzilla | December 18, 2007 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Al and John disappointed me at one point. They talked about how only Riggins was in the Hall from Gibbs 1, the proceeded to talk up Darrell Green. But no mention of Monk.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 18, 2007 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Eight Crazy Nights

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 18, 2007 10:05 PM | Report abuse

z, Old School also noted that those two dudes failed to mention Monk.

I have to think it was an honest oversight on their part and not a conscious snub. Didn't Madden LOVE Monk as a player? If they had thought of him, I have to think they both would have loved a chance to rep Monk to death -- or at least have a few minutes' banter on how he's been overlooked all these years. Oh well.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 18, 2007 10:12 PM | Report abuse

My Votes for the RI-Pro Bowl, note: I don't think one should be able to vote for themselves.

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Posted by: alex35332 | December 18, 2007 10:33 PM | Report abuse

I recall both Art Monk and Gary Clark being named to the All-Madden Team on multiple occasions.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 18, 2007 10:47 PM | Report abuse

RE: Bad Santa

No, this is apparently not a family movie. When I try to watch it, my kids make me turn it off.

Is it appropriate to have a Best (or Worst?) category of "A" as in ITA?

Posted by: johndinhouston | December 18, 2007 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, there're two things we agree on and that is our love for our beloved skins and them always doing well and pure hatred towards wilbon's words and his ridiculous act that followed those...words.

and i'm with whomever said it. don't even click on his columns and don't watch pti and don't watch that second rate MNF (other than the game) puts out.

i don't want his stinking apology i just want him to get out of washington. his name-dropping(junior's a name dropper too but 1000 times better writer than wilbon), talenentless butt out of wash back to chitown.

can't wait whomever the editor of the post is to retire so they can can his butt.

when i say editor (i don't mean cindy). i mean wapo editor.

Posted by: dealer | December 18, 2007 05:12 PM

He must owe you a dvd or something.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 18, 2007 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Chris Samuels in the Pro Bowl? LOL!! Ask Jason Campbell if Samuels is one of the best offensive linemen in football. Get a decent left tackle and Jason is still healthy.

Posted by: mwreid | December 18, 2007 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Redskins on the All-Madden Team

John Riggins
Russ Grimm
Joe Jacoby
Otis freakin' Wonsley

Art Monk
Russ Grimm
Joe Jacoby

Gary Clark
Dexter Manley
Darrell Green
Dean Hamel

Doug Williams
Gary Clark
Joe Jacoby
Dave Butz
Dexter Manley
Charles Mann
Darrell Green
Alvin Walton

Ricky Sanders

Gary Clark
Art Monk
Ricky Sanders
Don Warren
Jim Lachey

Gary Clark
Jim Lachey
Darrell Green

Mark Rypien
Gary Clark
Art Monk
Joe Jacoby
Jim Lachey
Charles Mann
Wilber Marshall
Darrell Green

Gary Clark
Mark Schlereth
Kurt Gouveia
Wilber Marshall

Monte freakin' Coleman
Darrell Green

*cough cough*

Terry Allen
Tre' Johnson
Ken Harvey
Darrell Green

Terry Allen
Darrell Green

Cris Dishman
Darrell Green


Stephen Davis
Tre' Johnson
Darrell Green

Stephen Davis
Champ Bailey
Darrell Green

"All-Super Bowl"
John Riggins
Gary Clark
Joe Jacoby
Russ Grimm

Sammy Baugh
John Riggins
Sam Huff
Ken Houston

(Yeah, yeah, this is even more subjective than the Pro Bowl. But this REALLY makes me pine for the days when the Skins were universally acknowledged as one of the best teams in the league. Sigh.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 18, 2007 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, that turned out a lot longer than I expected. I should also have broken it out into one comment per year or something.

You know, for the Ultimatodd.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 18, 2007 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Anyway, right there amid all those lines of transcribed names is one of the biggest "problems" Art Monk supposedly has: Gary Clark. Five All-Madden nods for Clark to three for Monk while they were teammates (plus one more for Clark post-Redskins).

There is a particularly invidious perception advocated by Dr. Z and probably others along the lines of "Monk wasn't even the best guy at his position on his team". I think if that were truly the case, then BOTH Monk and Clark should get into the HOF. But we know that ain't happening.

Anyway. Look at me, digging into All-Madden awards. What the hell is wrong with me?


Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 18, 2007 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Here's something that's been buzzing through my head since Sunday. The hit that Double Vision laid on Burress reminded me eerily of the hit that Sean laid on [some nameless Viking receiver] in the 2006 opener.
I got to see the replay of that hit today as part of Sean's Pro Bowl election. That was an atrocious call. That was a backbreaker, and it's time for a little payback.

Posted by: daggar | December 18, 2007 11:46 PM | Report abuse

F the world!

I am sick of caring about what people think of skins...

Keep Monk outta Hall 4 evah.....we got our memories...

The call on Dirty 30 was a joke, as the crowd chanted in the Astrodome in Bad news bears 2 (3?)

"Let them play! let them play!"

Posted by: chrislarry | December 18, 2007 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Nate, your ultimatum-face is rusty.
Your dedication is unquestioned.
Your sanity is a quart low.

I believe that's two pints.
I'm not sayin'...

Posted by: daggar | December 18, 2007 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Well, I don't think the call on Landry was incorrect -- they've really cracked down on that, and really the hit was statement enough.
But Sean's hit was almost exactly the same hit, right on the sideline, with the receiver slightly open behind a CB, and all Sean did was lay the wood as nature intended it. There was no way Sean could know that the WR had already wet himself and knocked the ball to the ground.
If you're going to complain about taunting, let's go back to Fletcher's earlier in the year... who was that against?

Posted by: daggar | December 18, 2007 11:58 PM | Report abuse

daggar, thanks for making me think it was a good idea to find video of the 2006 opener vs the Vikings. Ugh.

No footage of the hit you mention, but a stomach-churning reminder of One that Got Away. Thanks, John Hall. AND we were wearing the all-white costumes, which sucked.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 19, 2007 12:00 AM | Report abuse

This is better: '82 playoff game vs Vikings.

Also, white jerseys and burgundy pants.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 19, 2007 12:05 AM | Report abuse

zcezcest1 and freakzilla, if you haven't already, you need to watch "The Hebrew Hammer" with Adam Goldberg sometime. It's a Christmas movie. It's a Hanukkah movie. Sadly, it also has Andy Dick. Still one of my favorite unknown movies though.

Posted by: cgriesba | December 19, 2007 12:06 AM | Report abuse

This one is nice, too, last play of the 87 NFC title game

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 19, 2007 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for posting the link to that NFC Championship game, Nate. I'll never forget that play. D. Green coming in with the perfectly-timed hit.

In other news...

I used to like Andy Dick, back when he was on Newsradio (one of my all-time favorite shows). Too bad he's such a freak. And to hear Jon Lovitz tell it, he's the one who got Brynn Hartman back into doing coke, and therefore is a major reason why Phil Hartman is no longer with us.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 19, 2007 12:24 AM | Report abuse

And for the trivia file, my screen name actually comes from Newsradio. The name "Freakzilla" appeared in some form or fashion in three different episodes.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 19, 2007 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Now THAT is obscure. Nicely done, sir.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 19, 2007 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Wait, would that be Jon Lovitz as Pathological Liar?

Newsradio was great. Dilbert, without making you want to shoot yourself -- or start looking for the hidden cameras.

Posted by: daggar | December 19, 2007 12:30 AM | Report abuse

I'm stuck in a lame hotel in suburban Boston and after watching "The Kingdom" (surprisingly good flick), I finally dug into watching the "America's Game" episodes for the 82, 87, and 91 Super Bowls.

I think my favorite has to be the 87 episode. God, I love Doug Williams.

Ah, well, that's enough of a stroll down memory lane for me. Wish it was a stroll down mammary lane, but what can one do in crappy Waltham, Mass?

Posted by: PDiddy | December 19, 2007 12:45 AM | Report abuse

"Batted away...incomplete...the Redskins are going to the Super Bowl!"

Amazing how some of Frank Herzog's calls echo in my mind to this day.

The 87 team was very special to me as well. I was 13 and going through some pretty tough stuff at home (beyond the sadly de riguer parents divorcing thing). We were hardly well off or even middle class, but somehow my mom had scrounged up two tickets to the Lions/Redskins game (the one where St. Joe had to take off the headset and go out onto the field to quiet the crowd because Chuck Long couldn't hear himself think). St. Joe benched Jay Schroeder in favor of Doug Williams. Williams threw a touchdown pass to Gary Clark, who dove and caught it a scant 10 feet in front of me. It was one of the happiest days of my life to that point, just a day before one of the saddest. The 87 team was my refuge, and them winning the Super Bowl made a terrible year tolerable.

Doug Williams being named MVP and the infamous "This one's for John!" declaration by Broncos owner Pat Bowlen rank as my #1 and #2 favorite Super Bowl memories...

Posted by: PDiddy | December 19, 2007 12:51 AM | Report abuse

It's almost winter solstice, Diddy -- maybe a latenight polar bear dip in Walden Pond?

With a little more advance planning you might have caught up with some of our burgeoning crew of blog peeps in greater Boston. Next time perhaps.

Business or pleasure?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 19, 2007 1:06 AM | Report abuse

I hate it when I get hungry right before bed. I will now go fix myself a small bowl of Cheerios, and my wife will say, "I smell oats." Clockwork. 'Night, all. And by all, I mean Nate.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 19, 2007 1:30 AM | Report abuse

Pure business. My new line of work :-)

Otherwise there is an approximately zero percent chance that I'd ever venture into east coast airport weather during the holidays. I'm way too seasoned a traveler to do that.

I did, however, FINALLY figure out the baggie system! I'm very happy with my TSA situation right now. They're still bloody idiots (both the bureaucrats in Washington and the peons with blue gloves), but thanks to a little trip to the luggage store, I think I got my stuff together for these short haul 2-3 day jaunts.

Posted by: PDiddy | December 19, 2007 1:30 AM | Report abuse

I, too, am off to bed...with visions of a 'Skins at Seattle first-round playoff dancing in my head...

Posted by: PDiddy | December 19, 2007 1:32 AM | Report abuse

Oops, sorry Diddy. I figured you'd gone to bed by now. Didn't mean to exclude you.

'Night, Diddy.

'Night, John Boy.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 19, 2007 1:32 AM | Report abuse

** shifts restlessly in his sleep **

mmmmm Cheerios

Posted by: farstriker | December 19, 2007 2:19 AM | Report abuse

"I smell oats."

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 19, 2007 2:52 AM | Report abuse

Too much of our playoff hopes rest on Chicago.

The lost to Minn. They play the Saints the last game of the season. And we need them to beat GB this week so Dallas can rest vs. the Skins.

The Eagles must save us from the Saints. The Bills are not going to beat the Giants because they Suck.

I don't like it!

Posted by: mul | December 19, 2007 3:07 AM | Report abuse

Also Wilbon is from Chicago. I lived there for four years, it is flat and cold.

No see 'stars' either.

Posted by: mul | December 19, 2007 3:12 AM | Report abuse


I agree. None of those teams are consistently good. Then again, neither are we.

I'll be happy if we run the table playing all of our Redskins from the Land of Misfit Toys.
We may not have a Charlie-in-the-box, but we do have LaRon-in-the-Box.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 19, 2007 3:16 AM | Report abuse

Some of you can basj Gibbs and say you don't want him to extend. I personally think Gibbs has done a very nice job thus far. I know he has made mistakes....but look at what a mess this franchise was in for 11 seasons after he left. And loom at it now...It's not perfect by any means but it is a lot better off now than it was. Plus I STILL have faith in our Chief. I think Joe Given 2 more years after next year will be key. We need the stability...and we have that now...Things do not happen over night....I think Gibbs is moving right along well..In fact I sure would love to see him still here with JC 3 years from now...This team could be great and I do believe time is something that will make things better....Looom at all THIS team has been through TOGETHER the last 3 years....Keeping Gibbs in place will just make this band of boys rwady for some damage...really soon....


Posted by: leevi98 | December 19, 2007 3:31 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to send a shout out to SMACK:

Seasons Greetings!

You can thank Steinbog for sharing that gem. *giggle*

Posted by: JustMe | December 18, 2007 07:48 PM

I watched about 30 seconds of the singing and I had to turn it off. Retch! If I had watched more I'm sure that what I just ate would have covered up my computer screen.

Posted by: cmecyclist | December 19, 2007 4:41 AM | Report abuse

Things to do while in Waltham, Mass:

1) Visit (the somewhat famous)Ken's Steak House in Framingham for dinner;

2) Go shopping at the strange and eclectic Spag's in Shrewsbury;

3) Go swimming in or skating on Walden Pond (seasonal):

4) Visit the quite famous Bridge at Concord;

5) Go holiday shopping at Burlington Mall (north on Rt. 128);

6) Sleep.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | December 19, 2007 5:15 AM | Report abuse

Interesting, I didn't know that Londoon is #2 in the NFL with 94 tackles. Cool.

Posted by: cmecyclist | December 19, 2007 6:16 AM | Report abuse

F the pro bowl.....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 18, 2007 07:13 PM

ditto. Anybody actually planning to watch it? No. its an all expenses paid vacation based on a popularity contest. Only ONE player EVER returned the favor ... and his hit on punter Brian Moorman will be the only ProBowl highlight film anybody ever sees. [it is the only highlight. ever.]

In the spirit of the season, F chRIs lArry.

Posted by: dcsween | December 19, 2007 7:29 AM | Report abuse


Wasn't that awful? LOL

Posted by: JustMe | December 19, 2007 7:42 AM | Report abuse


Well, anything that the Cowpatties do is awful but that just took it several steps further!

Posted by: cmecyclist | December 19, 2007 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Sports Illustrated is saying that the Falcons are trying to hire Bill Parcells as Vice President of Football operations to find the next coach. Parcells would report to Rich McKay, the President and General Manager.

How likely is that to work? Parcells reporting to McKay? He can't even stand reporting to an owner. And does anyone regard MacKay as a good GM? He chose the last coach and he was all-in for Michael Vick: two franchise-damaging moves.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 19, 2007 8:07 AM | Report abuse

t_e, not saying the guy is particularly good at his job (you are probably as good a talent evaluator as he), but I don't know if you can throw McKay under the bus for not being a human lie detector or good judge of character... in other words, I don't know if he takes the rap for the off-the-field failings of those two dudes.

Apparently Vick lied to his employers right up to the moment he was convicted (or some such as), assuring them of his innocence. Petrino had a poor track record of leaving jobs quickly, but I don't think McKay can be blamed for Petrino's bailing after 13 games, not even a full season!

ANyway, F Bill Parcells and whoever he works for now and in the past and in the future.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 19, 2007 8:27 AM | Report abuse


I understand both points you make. On Vick, I just wonder how thorough he was in his background checks both before he signed him and then when they gave him the outsized second contract. The dog fighting was only the last and most egregious of the problems with Vick.

On Petrino, the question is whether he shouldn't have structured the contract a bit differently so that they got something back from Petrino for bailing like that.

Aside from those two, wasn't McKay the one who traded the backup quarterback to Houston and left them in a hole when the Vick story broke? That wasn't too swift.

I can see Parcells as a consultant to the owner, but a Vice President to McKay?

F him all you want, but if I were hiring a new coach, I would welcome his advice. He sure wouldn't have picked Petrino. Or Spurrier.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 19, 2007 8:36 AM | Report abuse

I hear ya, t_e.

Just grouchy. Need some Cheerios.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 19, 2007 8:54 AM | Report abuse

From the Dallas Star Telegram:

"Dirty, overrated and stupid is no way to go through life in the NFL.

And Roy Willy is at least two of them"

Pretty hard hitting article about the Dallas safety.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 19, 2007 8:55 AM | Report abuse

*sniff* I smell oats!

Posted by: cmecyclist | December 19, 2007 9:09 AM | Report abuse

It will be cool if the NFC starts with 10 men on the field for defense. I'm assuming Mike McCarthy will get the nod as coach.

He just better be sure and tell Romeo Crennel or whoever.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 19, 2007 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I Smell Oats

Posted by: sams3 | December 19, 2007 9:21 AM | Report abuse

From the game the other night, I too noticed Madden and Michaels forget to mention Art Monk....oh well. At least Madden mentioned that Portis is prolly the best blocking RB in the leaugue. He had at least 3 blocks that just completely destroyed blitzers; he's a beast when he doesn't have the ball, and that's what probably got him in to the pro bowl, as an alternate or whatever. It's also what makes him, in my book, a couple notches better than Betts. Back to Monk; he deserves to be in the hall, and we shouldn't need to wait any longer. I think what hurts Monk is that he doesn't have any sort of air time (see Michael Irvin). Same thing for Jacoby; everyone has Russ Grimm very high on the finalist list, and I think Jacoby was far more dominant than Grimm (not to take away from Russ, he was awesome too), but Grimm has been coaching for a while, was on the Steelers SB winning staff, and keeps getting mentioned for head coaching jobs. In other words, he's still all over the NFL map. Nobody's heards from Jacoby in years. Also, am I the only one who thinks Dave Butz should be considered? He was an anchor on our D line for a looong time, and seemed to get better every year.....and if Darrell Green doesn't get in on his 1st ballot I will be shocked. And appalled.

Posted by: dlhaze | December 19, 2007 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, and like I been saying; keep Gibbs for one more year!

Posted by: dlhaze | December 19, 2007 9:37 AM | Report abuse

I've been away for a while so I hope I'm not re-hashing too much here.
1. Interesting the Bill Cowher has put off his return to coaching another year. Snyder money is more compelling than Blank money?
2. Mike Martz to the Falcons next year. Put it on the board. Championship.
3. LaRon at free safety = good. Doughty at Strong safety = Archuletta.
4. Every time you hear a bell ring, Sean Taylor just laid out an angel.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 19, 2007 9:49 AM | Report abuse

F the HoF

Posted by: chrislarry | December 19, 2007 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Doughty at Strong safety = Archuletta.

I wouldn't go that far. There is no one worst or equal to the Arch.

Chris Larry wears hot pink panties. lol

Posted by: jm220 | December 19, 2007 9:51 AM | Report abuse


I'm thinking Schottenheimer goes to Atlanta.

And I'm thinking Snyder's not interested in Cowher. Cowher wants too much control, and Dan Snyder has a problem with that.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 19, 2007 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Nice to see S.T. make the Bowl. I'll definately be getting one of his jerseys if the NFL puts 'em out for sale. Would also be great if the NFC does start with 10 men. HAIL!!

As to H.O.F. talk--Madden only mentioned Green as a potential HOFer from Gibbs 1.0, didn't even mention Monk at all. Guess we don't have his vote.

Posted by: NCICURN | December 19, 2007 9:57 AM | Report abuse

"Interesting, I didn't know that London is #2 in the NFL with 94 tackles. Cool."

Posted by: cmecyclist | December 19, 2007 06:16 AM

Actually, at the time he came to the Skins last spring, he was the leading tackler in the NFL over a five year period (and was the leading tackler in something like two of those season). There is a TON to love about Fletcher, not the least of which is that he's never missed a game in nine (ten?) seasons. Back in our time of deep grieving, I threw out there that Sean Taylor was on his way to becoming a hero, and someone called me out and said it belittled the meaning of the term "hero." Whateves. Anyway, the other guy who fits the paradigm of "hero" in my eyes is London Fletcher.

Posted by: dcsween | December 19, 2007 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Madden will be meeting with Gibbs in preparing for the Sunday night game. I'm sure Gibbs can make a strong case for Monk in the HOF.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 19, 2007 10:08 AM | Report abuse

etrod, Doughty has been stepping up significantly. You are unnecessarily harshing on him. He will never be able to replace Sean Taylor (no one will), but neither will Landry (though LaRon has alot more of the raw ingredients). I'm saying that Landry/Doughty could be the interchangeable safeties that Grilliams was planning on having when they hired Archuleta, i.e., next season they can go back to having two "safeties" rather than a strong and a free safety. [That said, I still want the Skins to make a move for O.J. Atogwe.]

Posted by: dcsween | December 19, 2007 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Arthur Blank should get back to the idea of having a head coach with a defense pedigree. Btwn Dunn and Norwood, they are set at RB ... they need to draft/FA for O-linemen who are good at the rushing blocking. Their talents guys are worse than the Broncos at finding WRs, so they should become a rush first team (at least until they get a solid QB out of free agency). They have much worse problems on the D side of the ball, plus they need to cut some guys due to personality conflicts. Which reminds me, I'd be happy if the Skins went after D'Angelo Hall.

Posted by: dcsween | December 19, 2007 10:13 AM | Report abuse

jm220 - maybe you're right. At least we're not paying $40 million for missed tackles and dropped int's.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 19, 2007 10:13 AM | Report abuse

No doubt E.

Posted by: jm220 | December 19, 2007 10:15 AM | Report abuse

etrod, definitely not with you on the Doughty = Archuleta comparison. Honestly, how easy does Doughtabingus roll off the tongue? Archubingus, smoothly. Doubtabingus, not some much.

That point aside, Doughty's doing fairly well for a guy that had big shoes to fill right in the middle of the season. He's at least putting himself in position to make plays, and he's not biting on every pump-fake and trick play that Herr Bingus seemed to have an acumen for doing. Not the first choice I'd have filling in the position, but given the pinch the team's in, he's not a bad way to go.

Posted by: FlimFlam | December 19, 2007 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Sween, I'm not faulting his effort and he is in a tough position but he's not a starting caliber safety. You can't root against the guy, but I do hope that he's back on special teams where he belongs next year.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 19, 2007 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Flim, putting youself in postion to make plays is very important, but making them is more important. That seems to be where the problem lies.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 19, 2007 10:22 AM | Report abuse

JM220 squats even when he tinkles

Posted by: chrislarry | December 19, 2007 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Hey guys just got an e mail from Ahmad. He is doing well. The baby is due in a couple of days. He want to thank everyone for their thoughts and prayers.

Posted by: jm220 | December 19, 2007 10:26 AM | Report abuse

dc, are you serious about wanting Hall?? No thanks, not with a 10 ft pole. This is EXACTLY the type of move that the Redskins can't afford to make. He'd probably cost either a 1st, or a 2nd. I'd rather we used those picks in a more beneficial manner.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 19, 2007 10:26 AM | Report abuse

NCICURN, you reminded me to look up the current list of HOF voters. PeKing and Dr. Z and Pastabelly and John Clayton are the big national names.

I believe we can count on David "Legolas" Elfin and Lenny Shapiro to rep Monk on behalf of old DC. We'll see if PeKing and Z have really come around, and if enough of the other selectors have as well.

This dude does a GREAT job with the Art Monk HOF "campaign."

Fingers crossed that Monk AND Green get in this time... that would give us something to HAIL!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 19, 2007 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Hey family,I think we're missing it as far as who we can get help from,it aint the Saints we need to lose,its the Jints.This is basically their season on the line this week in Buffalo and it aint gonna be a gimme.

Posted by: smittdiddy | December 19, 2007 10:37 AM | Report abuse


With Gibbs tarnishing his coaching legacy, I think the current view is that he had a lot more talent in term one. Thus, I'm 'boldly' predicting Monk and Green in the HOF this year.

As our best and brightest are out forever or for a long long time, 'skins gotta may hay now. SUPER BOWL OR BUST!

Posted by: bangkokben | December 19, 2007 10:59 AM | Report abuse

ESPN's Parcells likely to become vice president of Falcons
By Chris Mortensen
Updated: December 19, 2007, 9:34 AM ET
Bill Parcells said Wednesday that he likely will accept the Atlanta Falcons' offer to become the team's vice president of football operations.

"I'm pretty sure I'm going to do it. [Owner] Arthur [Blank] and I have had some pretty constructive discussions. I basically will oversee the football operations. We'll meet today -- not in Atlanta -- and work out some of the final details but I don't think there's any deal breakers here," Parcells said.

Parcells said he has no plans to return to coaching.

"Arthur wants to rebuild the football operation. I'll hire a general manager and then we'll hire a coach. We'll do this together, the GM, the coach and myself. The coach absolutely will not be Bill Parcells. All this happens if we finalize this thing, which I expect to do

Posted by: jm220 | December 19, 2007 11:00 AM | Report abuse

How does Fred Taylor not get in?

Posted by: jspaceman72 | December 19, 2007 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Vote for RI hall of fame?


He can quote prose from the Quran in one breath

Lay the hammer smack in the second,

and throw in the F cL with the third.

Posted by: Zebraskins | December 19, 2007 11:02 AM | Report abuse


I vote for Crickets... always doing solid work on the night shift.

If AMMTS still was around he would get it as well.

Posted by: Zebraskins | December 19, 2007 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, but apparently he pees sitting down. What's up with that?

Posted by: jspaceman72 | December 19, 2007 11:04 AM | Report abuse

LMGO! Good one Z

Posted by: jm220 | December 19, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

That should read AMTTS

For the newbies,



Posted by: Zebraskins | December 19, 2007 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Of course if chris larry wears hot pink panties, they are left over from the girl he snaked from the rest of us while drinking and eating at the bar last night!

Posted by: Zebraskins | December 19, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

jm220-On a side note, has Ahmad learned anymore about the death of his daughter? I haven't seen anything on RI about it since he (or someone) posted the inerview he did with the news. Thanks.

Posted by: NCICURN | December 19, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Last i heard, and forgive me if it is wrong to speak of, but Ahmad was looking for legal help becuase it was about to go in that direction.

He also mentioned that the authorities were becoming more involved.

Of course you may be able to revoke my regular status from the blog, so that may not be the most uptodate info

Posted by: Zebraskins | December 19, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

bangkokben, you are the "may hay kid." And I agree with you wholeheartedly that the time is now... but I would also say that the time is then, meaning I have no reason to doubt our ability to have a better season next year, given the way the league works.

Lust for may hay!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 19, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

NCICURN timing is everything. Her birthday is coming up so I really didn't push the issues. He told me he really hasn't been in the mood to blog. From the tone of the e mail it's a rough time for the family and he is just trying to keep it all together. Let's keep our brother in our prayers.

Posted by: jm220 | December 19, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Yeah jm;

I am sure Sean's passing had a different affect on him than it did us...

Posted by: Zebraskins | December 19, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I love how lofabread tutopu has one good game and gets a few ints so he makes the probowl. Fletch is the Best Middle man in the NFC. He had key ints spread out amoung different games. Its great how overrated that dude is.

Posted by: sams3 | December 19, 2007 11:29 AM | Report abuse

"...Bill Parcells said Wednesday that he likely will accept the Atlanta Falcons' offer to become the team's vice president of football operations. ..."

Posted by: jm220 | December 19, 2007 11:00 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this Vinny Cerrato's title?

Posted by: dcsween | December 19, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I was looking at stats on tackles and i though lofabread was left off, then i realized you just have to scrolllllll wayyyyyy downnnnnn 17 spaces past London.

Posted by: sams3 | December 19, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Hate Parcells all you want but the man has proven his ability to turn teams around

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 19, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

etrod, don't sell Doughty short thinking he should be shelved on special teams. Special teams is where they put late round picks to "angry up the blood." Though the 6th round is one later than the 5th, the Eagles just send a third year, 5th rounder, who didn't start till the end of his second season, to the Pro Bowl (Trent Cole). In the last two/three games, Doughty has been averaging btwn 7-8 tackles, second most for the game (behind either Fletcher or Landry). Plus now he will have some game film, maybe he can have a RockyMac-like offseason. Who knows?

Posted by: dcsween | December 19, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

The dude is a fourth year player he has atleast 10 more years to be overrated. They should have given it to fletch since he is better as well as the fact that his days are numbered.

Posted by: sams3 | December 19, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

greg(b), re: FA corners, I'm just saying I won't cry if they made a move for Hall if there is a nasty divorce and a ton of suitors looking for sloppy seconds. My fave for a FA CB pickup (if they look to FA for a corner) is Nnamdi Asomougha (Oakland), who is UFA this year.

Posted by: dcsween | December 19, 2007 11:37 AM | Report abuse

What an awesome week! It's only half over, and apparently I've won the "UK Online-Lottery" 5 times, the "Casino-Web Lottery" 3 times, AND to top it off, 7 different "friends" in Burkina-Faso have millions and millions of dollars they want to share with me. All I have to do is send my "dearest friend" all of my personal information! Woo-hoo!! Easy money baby!

Posted by: 4-12 | December 19, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Hello all. Its been a few days for me since I've posted. I lost my login and had to change my name up a bit. Even worse, I lost my job last week and find myslef treading water at a very difficult time of year. I must say its been a very rough year for me.
That said, I am very thankful that my Redskiins have managed to pull off a couple of good wins to help ease my mind and get me through these rough times. I find myself again realizing that football is just a game and that life is a whole other journey.
Despite my enourmous amount of free time lately I am finding it difficult to bring myself to blogging these days, but I wanted to drop in and wish my fellow Skins fans and blogmates a very Merry Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year.

Cheers to you all and HTTR!!


Posted by: Todd15fkaSoup17 | December 19, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Soup, same to you... good luck!

Posted by: Zebraskins | December 19, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Things find a way of turning around Soup. We are all with you.

Posted by: sams3 | December 19, 2007 11:51 AM | Report abuse

"It's only half over, and apparently I've won the "UK Online-Lottery" 5 times, the "Casino-Web Lottery" 3 times, AND to top it off, ..."

Sorry 4-12, I won all those just last week.

I'm just waiting for them to transfer the money to my account and I'm all set.

Sorry for the bad news,


Posted by: SteveMG | December 19, 2007 11:52 AM | Report abuse


Best wishes to you my friend. I post this in all seriousness. just don't tell them where you got it from.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 19, 2007 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Soup17, sorry to hear that, dude.

If you want, feel free to drop me a line at nateinthepdx at gmail dot com, maybe I can work the job network for you a bit. I know some people who know some people. Ya never know.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 19, 2007 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to hear that Soup. I wish you all the best.

Posted by: jm220 | December 19, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

As a fan, I would have liked to see Rabach make it.

As a rational person, how in the world did the Cowgirl's center make it as a starter!?! This is the same guy that snapped the ball over Romo's head like 5 times in two games! What a joke

Posted by: BT23 | December 19, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Best wishes to you Soup. Nate's right... you never know. There's govt/marketing/internet/media/lawyer/etc. types up here, most of whom are more than happy to help.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 19, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Soup, sorry to hear about your job. Hopefully, something better will come along.

Happy Holidays....

Posted by: Lisa | December 19, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Soup-Sorry about the job situation. Best of luck to you!

Posted by: NCICURN | December 19, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Parcells takes Vinny cerrato with him.....Hey I was wrong on Bobby Depaul maybe I get lucky on this one....not say'n

Posted by: Oldschool | December 19, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to hear, Soup. Definitely not a great time of the year to lose your income at.

What sort of field are you in, anyway? I could always ask around as well, to see if anything's available amongst my friends.

Posted by: FlimFlam | December 19, 2007 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to hear about that, Soup. Best of luck. We'll still be here when the dust settles and you rejoin us.
I can't believe we're going to have to get through a game without Farstriker. Can you go to a bar and borrow a stoner's laptop? He'd never notice the minutes (er, hours) until you were back here.
As for Jason Reid posting on JLaC, Nate...Welcome to Loseable Type!

Posted by: TheCindy | December 19, 2007 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Hang in there Soup17

Posted by: mmok | December 19, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Rich McKay = Vinny Cerrato + a ham sandwich

Posted by: tafka | December 19, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone else notice that Paul "Mr. Loudoun" Tenorio (sp?) was listed as the writer of a Redskins side article in yesterday's edition of the Post? Perhaps he is a master of Loseable Type?

TheCindy, how about a guest blog from Paul Tenorio in the future?

Posted by: tafka | December 19, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

soup whats your expertise? people are always looking for "good people"

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 19, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Soup, very sorry to hear that. Hope things work out for you. Let us know your type of work, and as others have suggested, perhaps the RI family can help.


Posted by: squashmo | December 19, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they could lure Casserly back to replace Cerrato. (I say that semi-jokingly since I wasn't a huge fan of his on the first go around). Still think he might be an upgrade over Cerrato. Also, that Mario Williams pick isn't looking so bad now. Houston's going to have a helluva defense in the very near future.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | December 19, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

While I have the floor (apparently) -

As duly noted by F Chris Larry, the Pro Bowl is nothing more than a popularity contest, with many winners determined solely by the write-in votes of popular,
currently-successful, and/or large-city teams. That explains why Lofa Tofu gets the MLB nod, Fred Taylor never gets voted onto the team, and a chump like Marion Barber can beat out Clinton Portis for a reserve spot. It seems like a highly suspect coincidence that HOF voting follows a similar track.

Posted by: tafka | December 19, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse


Have you got Jasno or Jason finding out what the financial implications are for Sean Taylor's daughter of his getting elected to the Pro Bowl? Does the NFL give him a check for making the team? Do the Redskins owe him a bonus under his contract for this? Potentially there's enough money to pay for her college education.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 19, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse


Hang in there my friend, good times will come! I'm going home for the holiday's, and might not get a chance to post until after Christmas! Happy Holiday's to everyone and COME ON YOU REDSKINS!!!! WE BELIEVE!

Posted by: redryan400 | December 19, 2007 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Winfield and Rice uncertain for this weekend. T'would be nice to not have to deal with Winfield this weekend.

Also, looks like the Metrodome isn't going to be full again. Too bad.

Posted by: MNSkinsFan | December 19, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the Metrodome can break out the black trash bags to hide empty seats like they do for the Twins games.

Posted by: tafka | December 19, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Keep your head up Soups,

I hope you still have your health and are surrounded by loved ones this time of year. It could be worse though, you could be x_1967.

Posted by: Dorf | December 19, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Metrodome = worst possible place to do anything. Sucks for Football, baseball, and music. And it smells. No wonder it's not full.

We tax payers don't want to buy a new Vikes stadium, though. I say, make the owner foot some bill. Do it the old fashioned JKC way!

Posted by: MNSkinsFan | December 19, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I'd like to see Gibbs return for another year, then wait and see. I don't think this team is far off from being a contender. Gibbs has unquestionable made some bad calls, but many players have made some bad mistakes too. I don't think you blow up this team now with a new coach. Rememeber, we've done the coaching carousel. Stability is what we need to bring winning. main concern is upgrading talent. Some tough decisions have to be made. We cannot win without a big, possession receiver and an upgrade on the D and O line. Other than that we're OK. We need another corner though. Some said Smoot was nothing but a nickel corner, but he's proven to be a starter.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 19, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Soup... ditto... let us know what type of work you're in and we'll try help u out...

My company has a large presence in the DC area and elsewhere and I'd be willing to do whatever I can to help you out.


Posted by: EinVB | December 19, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

There is no question that Smoot came to play this year. It good to have him back.

Posted by: jm220 | December 19, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

The other problem with the Metrodome is that it is too close to the Mall of America, so you have a choice of big awful places with large crowds and high prices. If they had put the Metrodome in Fargo, people would have thought more highly of it.

When is Mr. Zigy going to move the Vikings to L.A.? If L.A. can have Lakers, it can certainly have Vikings.

Posted by: tafka | December 19, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

If one is looking for the spirit of Sean, they need look no further than Smoot and Landry.

Posted by: tafka | December 19, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

naw... Vikings are big there I don't see them moving anywhere esp not to LA... LA is too busy-body, glitz, glamour, hollywood for football.

I don't thinkg they care enough... or will care for long enough to support a team... Look at the Rams and Raiders... they had their chance.

Posted by: EinVB | December 19, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Tenario knows Butkus about Loseable Type, but he enjoys committing journalism. I'm sure you'll see his name some more.

Posted by: TheCindy | December 19, 2007 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Soups, hang in there. What type of work are you in? Get us some info, and I'm sure that one of us hamsters can hook you up.

No Winfield for this game, would be like an early Christmas present.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 19, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

TheCindy -

Are any of the Jasons working today? Isn't this a work day for the Redskins?

Posted by: tafka | December 19, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4-12 | December 19, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse


I feel for you. I got laid off from two jobs in a row at Christmas, back in the dot-com bust days. It was definitely nerve wracking.

But something always came through. The last week of December and first week of January might be slow, but don't give up.

And do go file for unemployment, because it helps, even if only a little. After all, you've been paying into it, so now's time to collect on some of it.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 19, 2007 1:34 PM | Report abuse

That taunting penalty on LaRon was bogus.

Who among us, didn't viscerally respond the same way? I know I did the very same lunge and arm thrust, everyone else in the bar did, I know all the RI blogger did.

If you go back to the tape and look you can see half the people in the stands are doing the exact same thing. In one angle, right behind the ref, you can even see a line judge doing it too.


(maybe it was something he said)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 19, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

just looked at nateinthepdx's all-madden lists; i love how darrell green's first appearance is in 1986 and his last is 2000. 15 years of dominance. in this age of free agency, is it too much to ask to have just one stud player commit himself to one team like the old days? let's actually start living up to the term "redskin for life." i say we start with JC, Cooley, and LL.

Posted by: psps23 | December 19, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I smell beep.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 19, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

mmm mirochips!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 19, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse


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