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Timeout for a Guest Blog (Updated)

From time to time, we like to turn this space over to Redskins fans for guest blogs. This is one of those times.

I inadvertently posted an earlier version Daniel had sent me. Here is the correct version; my apologies to Daniel. Updating this also gives me the chance to remind you that all points of view are welcome. You can email Jason or me with guest blog submissions.

A Modest Proposal to Save the 'Skins
By Daniel Ozment

The Washington Redskins are valued at over $1.3 billion, nearly 40 percent more than the price Daniel Snyder paid in 1999. Forbes magazine has anointed the Redskins the most profitable American sports franchise. As owner, Snyder has increased annual profits by $100 million. Each year he "sells out" a 92,000-seat stadium for eight home games, markets tons of new merchandise, and even sells out of hot dogs every once in a while. Anyone who has walked more than 20 rows back to an upper-deck seat empty handed in the third quarter can sympathize.

The Redskins are a wildly successful business. But how often does a business find such success when its primary product is so unsuccessful?

Did you get lost there? "Unsuccessful?" Isn't our football team the most profitable franchise in American sports? Yes it is. The Redskins' logo apparel and accessories are an undeniable hit. So are the $6 hot dogs at FedEx Field. But Daniel Snyder isn't running a clothing store or a restaurant chain. His business is football. And as far as football teams go, the 'Skins are terribly unsuccessful.

Here's a quick history of the Redskins' futility on the field since Snyder bought the team 10 years ago. Regular season - Seventy-six wins and Seventy-four losses. Five playoff games (two wins, three losses). Six head coaches. No back-to-back winning seasons. The team's best streak consisted of a 10-6 season followed by back-to-back .500 seasons in 1999, 2000, and 2001 under 3 different coaches. Snyder fired them all.

Daniel Snyder has all the makings of a comfortable executive. Maybe too comfortable. He's comfortable in the way he operates the football side of the team because the marketing and sales operations are doing so well. If he were asked to choose between winning a Super Bowl while finishing in the red, or continuing to turn major profits in the pursuit of mediocrity, which would he choose? No matter: Snyder gets to play with his toy football team because the money keeps rolling in.

He has been quoted as saying he believes Washington's fans are the only constituency he cares about. Faithful season-ticket renewals, he says, are evidence that he's doing a good job. But given the die-hard nature of most Redskins fans, season-ticket renewal may be a sign of devotion rather than blind approval.

So what can ordinary fans do to change the situation? Here's one idea: If Daniel Snyder is too comfortable with the profitability of his franchise, it may be time to make him uncomfortable. No real fan would seriously consider boycotting games or dumping season tickets, but ticket sales don't represent a majority of Snyder's earnings. They never have.

A better plan would be a boycott of merchandise, food, and alcohol. Next time you go to a game, tailgate. Bring enough beer and brats to feed an offensive lineman. Show up three hours early, drink and eat until you're stuffed. When you're tempted to grab an $8 beer between quarters, repeat this mantra: "I'd rather win a Super Bowl than get buzzed."

This off-season, when Snyder signs a half-dozen new free agents and their jerseys go on sale, keep your money in your pocket. . If you must have a jersey, snag one on eBay with your favorite retired player's name and number on the back. And repeat: "I'd rather win a super bowl than buy a $200 shirt."

If you're happy with your seats at FedEx Field, don't pay to upgrade them the next time the front office sends you an invitation letter. If you really want to get Daniel Snyder's attention, don't pay for parking at the stadium. Carpool if at all possible. Metro if you can. If you take the Metro, try to eat before you come to the game. And then stop at one of the Largo Towne Center restaurants afterward.

Every team that has won the Super Bowl since Snyder bought the Redskins has a General Manager in charge of football operations. Successful teams have owners who count beans and stay out of the way.

Not Daniel Snyder. He will not go quietly, but a thoughtful fan base could eventually smoke him out. He thinks you love him. He thinks he's doing a great job as owner. But win-loss records are a better measure of success than bobble-head sales. "Fight for old D.C." should mean more than repeatedly following an owner off a cliff. We're Washingtonians, after all. We see the squeaky-wheel theory put into practice every day. It's time we greased the 'Skins.

Visit Daniel Ozment's blog.

By Cindy Boren  |  January 24, 2009; 9:16 AM ET
 
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Sounds like a plan.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 24, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

I have been on this bus for a while now. I even yell at the fans who are standing in line at the concession stands. We have to get this guy to listen and the only way he will his if we hit him where it hurts, his pockets. This man has ruined our tradition just like he ruined Six Flags. Best case scenario he sells the team, worst case scenario he listens.

Posted by: murphyz | January 24, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I agree that Snyder has to stay out of the Football operation, but look at it this way.
Every year when we are super down on the Skins, they respond well and surprise us. When we get on the bandwagon, they fail. The problem with this organization is not personel, but rather the atmosphere around the players. sure there have been bad acquisitions, but every team has busts. The problem is the way we treat the players, we can't send them to the HOF when they get to 6-2, we should cheer for them, but at the first sign of complacency, we need to let them know what we expect(boooo), like after the Clevland game, we should have put them in their place. While the FO needs to be better, the attitudes of the fans need to be changed, or at least faked so that those bums over there dont get too comfy

Posted by: DaFunBunch | January 24, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

We know this team can play well, weve won 6 in a row, 4 in a row and gone 6-2, we just need to get a bit younger and less complacent

Posted by: DaFunBunch | January 24, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

You are missing the point, the only stat that Danny cares about is that his franchise is 40% more valuable than the day he bought it. We are the suckers who keep investing in a poor product. Nothing will change until the franchise value declines. Then we will see some changes. Cheers!

Posted by: MPNangle | January 24, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

but im on board for what this guy says, we should drive the value of the team down a couple hundred Mil, then get a huge contigent of people to pitch in some cash and buy the team and turn it public.

Posted by: DaFunBunch | January 24, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Well, the glory days of the skins are long gone. Even after so many years I can Still name the first-Gibbs era skins players, I mean 80% of the starters; now I hardly remember our players name from 2008, why? You know the answer. Simply put, there is a lot of difference between prime beef steak and hamburgers. Snyder is an expert in feeding skins fans with hamburgers. Inconsistency in head coach, lack of trust in developing young players, and insane acquisition of grave yard, old glory players that have nothing to contribute other than name is a big factor in unsuccessful, failing Skins seasons; however, knowing Snyders mentality, who cares about winning team when he already have what he only cares about which is super money making franchise. Until the skins fan base demand for change by following some of JLC advice analyzed above, fellows we are in for many more years of deep depression when season open.

Posted by: abxinc | January 24, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Great post and I agree. I actually have turned in my season tickets (9 seats) and will watch the games on TV. I can only hope that this will get Mr. Snyder's attention. Oh, how I miss the Squire.

Posted by: UnhappyFan | January 24, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I even yell at the fans who are standing in line at the concession stands.

Did they let you pop in to use the high-quality restrooms, or had you purchased a ticket to the game?

When the skyboxes are empty and the game is blacked out locally, then you'll get the change you desire. Maybe Ralph Wilson will sweep in to save us. Or Al Davis.

Posted by: daggar | January 24, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Shocking. Another Synder bashing post. I like the insider alot, read frequently, mainly because i like staying on top of possible personnel and player changes, but these continuous Synder rants, posted by JLC or not are just getting flat out tired. Synder might not be the best owner in the league but he is learning every year how to better manage this team, and regardless of what he does from atop his ivory tower, he is NOT the one on the field playing or coaching the game. Its up to the players, in any organization, to go out and preform to the best of their ability. And quite frankly, watching second half collapse, it looked mainly as if the team just didnt want it. If you took a look around the league and watched other playoff bound teams play during our slump you could just see and notice something different about them, their excitment, the intensity in their eyes...just wasnt their with us...we can sit and complain about first year coach and schemes(btw 3 first year coaches made the playoffs...2 of them with a rookie qb) and blah blah...bottom line, the WANT factor just wasnt their when it needed to be.

Posted by: curley2428 | January 24, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

The Skins have been a huge success financially, but Dan Snyder is a marketing whiz of the first rank. And he had a huge advantage to begin with: that stadium. The Ravens, who got the State to finance theirs, make nowhere near as much revenue, even though they field a better team.

So Snyder has to thank Jack Cooke & family for that head start.

Still, the guy's obviously not in it for the money. It would be easier to understand if he was. No, I'm convinced it's his fantasy league team.

Just look at the drafts. No linemen, right? Well, nobody drafts linemen in Fantasy Football.

Dan falls in love with players, coaches, any shiny button that catches his eye. Vinny Cerrato is actually the lone constant.

This'll annoy you: Dan Snyder runs his football franchise like a fan. All passion, no judgment. When he wins, he's on top of the world; when he loses, it's Armageddon.

That's not the way to build a solid organization. Whether you're talking about football, carmaking, or computers.

THe more quick, gut-level decisions you make, the more bad decisions you're likely to make.

In the NFL, it's slow and steady wins the race. And annoys the fans.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 24, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Here's a tip on the parking. Reuse tickets from the prior year. I been doing it for years. Ask a fellow fan for their parking pass before the leave the game and use that pass for the same game next year. The parking lot folks only look at the number not the small print. It never fails.

Posted by: tat0001 | January 24, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Even after so many years I can Still name the first-Gibbs era skins players, I mean 80% of the starters; now I hardly remember our players name from 2008, why?
Because that magical time between 5th grade and 10th grade was during an era in which players stuck with teams for the duration. I can still reel off the names of the starters and pitchers for the 1975 Detroit Tigers. They lost 102 games. But I watched every game I could [yes, boys and girls, there was an era in which televised games were the exception, not the rule], listened to Ernie Harwell on those late-night west-coast games. They were bums, but they were my bums.
Perhaps the only difference is that you had a sustained period of excellence to live through.
So times have changed. As originaloldschool says (between ellipses), "cheer for the uniform, not for the man".

Posted by: daggar | January 24, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Just to play devil's advocate for a second....

What if we all stopped by hot dogs, beer and jerseys. Then in 2 years , the value of the franchise goes down. Next comes the statement from high upon the mountain..." Well, we just couldn't afford to get so-and-do free agent." Then do we cry that Snyder won't pay to get these guys??

Just a thought.

Posted by: cej75024 | January 24, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Well, we just couldn't afford to get so-and-do free agent." Then do we cry that Snyder won't pay to get these guys??

Just a thought.

Posted by: cej75024 | January 24, 2009 10:55 AM
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I don't know how many of us will cry when Danny can't afford the next Deion Sanders.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 24, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

This is the problem.

Too may inaccuraccies to get on board. Do your research 1st and be accurate, then you'd be ok.

* We are not the profitable franchise in Sports. We are the 2nd most valuable franchise in sports, which has nothing to do with profitability.

* Every team that has won a Super Bowl since Snyder took over does not have a GM. In fact, the team that won the most SBs since Snyder took over has the SAME EXACT HIREARCHY. The New England Patriots.

* You said:

"The Redskins are a wildly successful business. But how often does a business find such success when its primary product is so unsuccessful?
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Because the owners are making money. And lots of it!

Look at the Bidwells and the Cardinals. 1 Championship in 60-70 years of their existence. The Bidwells are some rich MoFos irregardless of having only 10 winning 15 winning seasons and 3 playoff appearances in those decades. You don't see them selling the team because they can't pay their bills, do you? Exactly.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 24, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

As my C average shows in English, I meant to delete the '10 winning' portion before I hit the send button.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 24, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I certainly empathize with the guest blogger.

My grandfather was an original season tix holder. When he passed away, my father inherited the tix. Several years back, my father decided to give them up.

I did not disagree.

The gameday experience and the product on the field was simply not worth the price.

People have chided the fans for being lackluster, selling tix to opposing fans, not sticking it out with the team.

I find this preposterous. The paying public is the CLIENT. Since when does the client bendover backwards and bleed itself to death to continue PAYING for a service that is not up to snuff???

I still wear my Skins gear around town, and I watch the games, and kill hours of my life coming on to this blog b/c I'm interested in the team.

But I won't blindly pour cash into the coffers anymore. Give me a reason to continue my patronage; something; anything; put together a winning/entertaining product, bring DOWN some prices - something more than a guilt trip about "loyalty" and a tug on my sentimental heart strings...

Posted by: p1funk | January 24, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

The continuing popularity of the Redskins franchise even while the team is mired in mediocrity reinforces the notion that there is a sucker born every day! Synder truly is a marketing genius!

Posted by: skinsfan7 | January 24, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

REBEL! STRIKE BACK! HIT SNYDER WHERE IT HURTS!

This is complete nonsense. Please stop posting this kind of drivel. A boycott will simply become a battle of wills and Snyder is smart enough to know the fans will cave in because we are unorganized, undisciplined and ultimately love the Skins no matter what.

Have you forgotten we have an owner who is WILLING to break the bank and get the players he (sometimes foolishly) believes will take us to the promised land? He may not do things the right way, but at least we got an owner who's trying. Do you want to sour his desire to win and replace it with a protracted battle with his own fan base? Yes, it's frustrating, but let's not be foolish about this.

Instead, let's focus on a problem that can be solved: Cerato.

Posted by: edvar | January 24, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Having Snyder "get the message" is one thing. But talk of driving down the teams value to force a sale is another. I don't think Snyder would ever sell the Redskins, but hypothetically if he did, what would keep an outside buyer from moving the team. Los Angeles is still out there as a market. I want things to change, but be careful what you wish for.

Posted by: jkp7 | January 24, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Deion?! Yes that was the worst free agent signing in Skins history I'd say, given that we let Mitchell walk and plopped Sanders the hated Cowboy with all that cash. But come on, when was that? THAT WAS NINE YEARS AGO. Even then at the time (besides the Jeff George signing), outsiders thought Snyder had assembled the most "talented" team in the league http://tinyurl.com/av4d3r. But don't forget Norv was the coach and Snyder forced George down his throat.

But again, NINE YEARS AGO. He's not as bad as he was, He learned to back off more when Gibbs got here. He's not Jerry Jones, he's not Al Davis. He wants this team to win and he's trying to figure out how to get it done. I agree Vinny's no Bill Polian, but no one's Bill Polian (obviously but Polian). Thankfully Vinny's no Matt Millen* (w/drafts).

Ozment, I understand not buying beer at FedEx because it's EXPENSIVE. But there's something about conspiring to try and make your home team fail. In a bad economy it would be fiscally responsible to "keep the money in your pocket", but to do it because you want to see the Skins fail?! I think every single "fan" that thinks that way can just jump off now but the fan card shouldn't be allowed back to them.

It's one thing to be dissatisfied with ownership, suggest change, no-demand change is even fine. But let's get real here, this isn't the Lions, the Cardinals (of old), the Browns, the Raiders or even Jerry Jones' Cowboys. Which are all situations much much worse. Snyder is an easy scapegoat, but rooting against your home team is ridiculous. Go ahead and choose another team that you'll root for if you're going to cheer the Skins on to fail.

Posted by: trolly_time | January 24, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Snyder would ever sell the Redskins, but hypothetically if he did, what would keep an outside buyer from moving the team. Los Angeles is still out there as a market. I want things to change, but be careful what you wish for.

Posted by: jkp7 | January 24, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Hypothetically, there is alot that would keep an outside buyer from moving the Skins from Washington.

We're not talking about Seattle Sonics, here. It would be like trying to move the Red Sox from Boston...

Posted by: p1funk | January 24, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Los Angeles is still out there as a market. I want things to change, but be careful what you wish for.

Posted by: jkp7 | January 24, 2009 11:54 AM
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Moving the Skins out of D.C.?

Now THAT is a way to drop the value of the franchise!
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 24, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Allow me a moment to disagree. It is my contention that Snyder and his marketing "genius" (which entirely consisted of taking control of all revenue streams (including media and apparel) and raising prices) has lessened the value of the franchise from where it should have been over the same amount of time. he acquired a massively respected brand that was beloved by all demographics and had a built in massive loyal and fanatical customer base. paris hilton's dead chihuaha could have done just as good a job as Snyder (profitability and performance wise).

Unfortunately, his inept management tenure and constant pushing against the price point barrier have eroded the brand and led to a decrease in consumer perception, confidence and desirability. every year of football ineptitude and off field price gauging has seen more and more longtime fans decrease their level of involvement (from fanatic to casual fan) as well as lessen the inheritability of fan obsessivenss within the next generation.

his media strategy in particular has (and forgive me for making this analogy) in many ways mirrored the recent history of the GOP. radicalized echo chamber discussions that demonize perceived others (JLC), incompetent management, and yes men in positions of power. in short he has promoted the short term gain at the expense of long term sustainability. he is taking something that had broad based appeal and ever shrinking the broadness of that appeal.

In short, the Dan Snyder era has, contrary to current perception, harmed both the long term financial and football interests of a local institution.

So yes, by all means boycott food, drink and Snyder controlled media. For the good of the team we need to take metaphorical control back.

Posted by: PindarPushkin | January 24, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Snyder is an easy scapegoat, but rooting against your home team is ridiculous. Go ahead and choose another team that you'll root for if you're going to cheer the Skins on to fail.

Posted by: trolly_time | January 24, 2009 12:11 PM
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Not buying overpriced hot dogs ≠ cheer the Skins on to fail.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 24, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Hey

Let's all chill and give both peace and Zorn and chance.

And besides: the offseason is coming and we are always the champions of that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 24, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Not buying overpriced hot dogs ≠ cheer the Skins on to fail.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 24, 2009 12:22 PM

How the heck do you use all these things i can't do?!?!

Italics, Bold, ≠, hyperlink, etc....???

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 24, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Great plan.

Make the Skins less valuable so Snyder can move them to another market.

Even Cooke thought about moving the Skins to Charlotte.

Posted by: SonnyFan | January 24, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Ridiculous for the RI to post a boycott post.....I like a lot of JLC's work, but to say things haven't gotten personal between the Post and the Skins is undeniable. We aren't great, but we're a .500 team. Don't pretend that we're the Lions or a 4-12 team every season. Posting this guest blog is ridiculous and inappropriate...

Posted by: Oz99 | January 24, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

"This off-season, when Snyder signs a half-dozen new free agents and their jerseys go on sale, keep your money in your pocket." - Daniel Ozment

1. When was the last time Snyder went nuts like that in Free Agency? Was it when we went out and signed London Fletcher in the '07 offseason or was it when we signed NOBODY of significance in the '08 offseason. Please dome some homework before you regurgitate 5 year old complaints.

2. If they use their resources to build the lines through yes, free agency, and the draft then I have no complaints. Wouldn't we all want to see them go spend from free agency dollars on young o-lineman?

Nobody has a problem with how much money he spends on the team here because you can't argue that. He puts his money right back into the product on the field. The problem is that he is not building it the right way. If Snyder/ Vinny/ and maybe Allen figure that out and build an o and d-line this offseason then what exactly is the problem?

These anti Snyder posts are ridiculous not when they question how they build the team, but when they question that he wants to build a winner. You have to be completely ignorant to the facts to realize that he is trying to produce a winner but has struggled with the "how"....

Posted by: Oz99 | January 24, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

How the heck do you use all these things i can't do?!?!

Italics, Bold, ≠, hyperlink, etc....???

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 24, 2009 12:41 PM
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Bold = (b) bold! (/b) (But with the angle brackets) bold!

Italics, same thing, but with an i.

hyperlinks: many websites no longer require the link to be enclosed in "quotes", but this one still does.

(a href="http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2009matt.php")Matt Matt McGuire's 2009 NFL Mock Draft(/a) was updated today.

Matt Matt McGuire's 2009 NFL Mock Draft was updated today.

P.S. Replace the ) and also the ( with angle brackets, i.e. the thinghies over the comma and period keys.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 24, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

As a lifelong ' Skins fan ( now an expatriate in Boston ), I can certainly understand the impetus to bash Snyder. We all want the team to win, and it's been one heartbreak after another during his tenure. However, I agree with the poster who said that his personnel decisions have been ones an overzealous fan might have made.

Although there is an obvious downside to this approach, I think it might be helpful to mention that the guy's heart is in the right place. Could we stand it if we were stuck with someone who only cared about selling beer and jerseys? That's not the case with Danny.

I'm hopeful about the assessment that he truly has learned a lot in 10 years. Like a lot of other folks here, I would love to see a quality GM brought in with long term vision--one who could temper Dan's instinct to become overly involved.

I think we have a good foundation right now. I love Zorn's enthusiasm, youth, and smarts. I think JC has the ability to win it all with the right pieces and scheme around him. Portis, Moss and Cooley are excellent players with years left. Certainly last year's draft class are a question mark, but one another year will answer more clearly.

If there is one overriding quality we've lacked, it's continuity. A real GM would go a long way towards addressing this.

Posted by: bostskin | January 24, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

boycotting the home team to drive down their worth or until they become successful ≠ fan

Posted by: trolly_time | January 24, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

fan > blindly pouring your $$ into the coffers of a billionaire owner

Posted by: p1funk | January 24, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

This is the problem.

Too may inaccuraccies to get on board. Do your research 1st and be accurate, then you'd be ok.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 24, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

You are right, 4th. This is a bogus argument. I'm not a supporter of Dan Snyder. In fact, I feel he is a major part of the problem.

But following this argument will not solve anything.

Let's see, if we boycott, the value of the franchise will fall, so things will get better??? What a load of crap! That's like saying that if we don't buy gas on Tuesday's, the gas companies will be jurt so bad they will have to lower gas prices. And don't tell me that is why gas prices are lower. That is a much more complicated situation.

First of all, there is a difference between profit and value. Profit is calculated by deducting expenses from sales. I do not think the Redskins disclose their income statements, so we don't know what their "profitability" is.

Value is determined by a seller and a buyer agreeing on "the value" of an organization. So the statement of the Skins being the most (or 2nd) valuable sports team is based only on an ESTIMATE.

Dan Snyder is a marketing wiz. He is not necessarily an outstanding manager. To his credit, he is a great fan, and seems to want to do anything he can to make the team successful. I do give him credit for that. And he seems to be learning. But I recognize that his learning curve is very slow. He is learning by his failures at signing the big-name FA's.

Until he gets a personnel professional in to run the show, we are going to struggle.

And I'm not smart enough to know who that would be. All we can do is make assessments after a period of years with any GM. NE didn't know if Pioli would be a good GM until after 3-4 years. Bill Polian had to demonstrate his skills before he was recognized as a successful GM.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 24, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

You can't argue that Snyder doesn't want to win and that he doesn't care about winning - quite the opposite, he does.

Now, you can argue the method that he goes about doing it.

Eventually though, I fully believe Snyder will hit on the correct combination of coaches, player personnel guys and talent to win, and when it happens it will be glorious - and all you guys (*cough*JLC*cough*) will be front and center on the bandwagon.

Part of being a fan is putting up with the good AND the bad.

I hope the Washington Post takes a good long look at this "insiders" section because JLC can at times produce brilliant work, but sadly, more often than not, this place is reduced to a platform for him to air petty grievances and his small mans syndrome hate against Snyder, VC and Co.

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!

PS - I'd much rather have an owner who is more than willing to spend, spend, spend to win than an owner who is too cheap to try to put a winning product on the field.

Posted by: IHateJLC | January 24, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!

PS - I'd much rather have an owner who is more than willing to spend, spend, spend to win than an owner who is too cheap to try to put a winning product on the field.

Posted by: IHateJLC | January 24, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Right on. Look at Bidwell and the Cardinals. Bidwell has gone 60 years without being in a championship game. He lucked out this year when he got a great coaching staff, got some breaks, played in a week division, etc. etc. etc.

And he did this while being $20 - 30 million under the cap!

Danny at least spends the cap every year. Now maybe some years he should save some cap space for at the beginning of the season. But he is out there spending! Not so some teams like KC, TB.

If the Skins were maing profits(that's not actually known), and they were not spending close to the cap amount, I would be upset.

I'm not happy about being 8-8, but I look forward to FA and draft signings that will make us a playoff contender.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 24, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Snyder/Cerrato bashing....that's what this site has turned into. Along with people trying to get rid of half the players. Very disheartening.

I am not a Snyder/Cerrato fan but let's face it....Snyder is NOT GOING ANYWHERE. No matter what anyone does or does not do. Let's just be thankful that (unlike Jerry Jones) he does not have a fascination with the camera and media.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 24, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

blind hatred of ownership

Posted by: trolly_time | January 24, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: trolly_time | January 24, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

nevermind, i can't do the less than symbol...

Posted by: trolly_time | January 24, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

What professional sporting venue or concert venue doesn't charge exorbitant prices for food/beer? That is the way it is everywhere. I am glad we have an owner willing to spend money. We just need him to spend it in the right places or find a football mind that knows what they are doing.

On a side note, I just saw this mock draft. If we did what this idiot predicts Vinny Ceratto will be need some serious security to protect him. He didn't even list Monroe in the 1st round either.

http://cfn.scout.com/2/832662.html

13. Washington Redskins - Jeremy Maclin, WR Missouri
While not really a need pick, the Redskin offense could stand to get a bit flashier. Jim Zorn needs more weapons to work with, and Jason Campbell would hardly be upset at getting a do-it-all playmaker to get the ball to.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | January 24, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

nevermind, i can't do the less than symbol...

Posted by: trolly_time | January 24, 2009 1:41 PM
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See, now you're learning something. And at a far better pace than Dannyerrato have demonstrated.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 24, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

blind hatred of ownership

Posted by: trolly_time | January 24, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I don't see anyone here advocating blind hatred of ownership, and I'm certainly not. My point is this:

Snyder is both a fan and a business owner. He does care. He rides on planes to scout WRs. He's willing to break the bank to pay for coaches, etc. etc.

But he also runs the business side of the Skins like a ruthless profiteer. The cost of a gameday experience is simply (in my opinion, and in the opinion of a fair few others) not worth the product. Does Snyder care? Would he ever DECREASE the cost of a hotdog? Or parking? Ticket prices go up when the team makes the playoffs; do they ever go DOWN? At best they remain level.

For Snyder it is BOTH a matter of the heart AND a matter of the pocketbook.

Me too.

When Larry Michael chided the Skins fans after the Pittsburgh game and before the Philly game imploring them to not sell their tix for profits; I thought that was incredulous. I wonder how many times Larry Michael has walked into Dan's office and chided him about caring too much for profits...

Posted by: p1funk | January 24, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

"I love Zorn's enthusiasm, youth, and smarts."

Posted by: bostskin | January 24, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse
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This is going to be the Achilles heel for the '09-'10 season. "Youth" is 56 years old. Enthusiasm and smarts count for something, but Zorn came across as a "smart-a**" quite often toward the end of the season.

We're going to need experience in the HC position this year -- a year in which we'll find out if Zorn is so smart after all. His one year of experience as a HC -- without the benefit of being a coordinator, ever -- will be on display.

The Redskins are either doomed or charmed in a town like Washington, where everybody has an opinion and is adept at expressing it, and knows well how to spin that opinion.

How long before everyone believes the team is "unsuccessful" just because somebody named Daniel Ozment said so?

Doesn't have to happen.

The way to make the Skins successful is to have everyone start saying and believing they ARE successful. Just say it. Yes, you can!

It's mathematically impossible in the NFL for every team every year to have a winning record.

But fans can hype the Skins by reimagining what it means to be successful.

Don't waste your energy on Snyder. He is what he is. The business of the Redskins is successful by almost any measure, and that is to Snyder's credit.

Redirect the energy toward the coaches and players. Imagine them being successful. They might just rise to the level of expectation and live the hype. If not, the fanbase still thinks so, and therefore it IS so.

Posted by: Xlnt | January 24, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

thunder, should I hire you as my blog commenting editor and special symbol specialist?

Posted by: trolly_time | January 24, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

thunder, should I hire you as my blog commenting editor and special symbol specialist?

Posted by: trolly_time | January 24, 2009 2:10 PM
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I'm holding out for a spot on the blog police.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 24, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Also, boycott any Daniel Snyder-produced TV show or radio station. No ratings = no revenue.

Posted by: MrMerkin | January 24, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Mel Kiper's first round 1-16
Pick Team Player Position College
1 Detroit Matthew Stafford QB Georgia
2 St. Louis Andre Smith OT Alabama
3 Kansas City Mark Sanchez QB USC
4 Seattle Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
5 Cleveland Aaron Curry LB Wake Forest
6 Cincinnati Jason Smith OT Baylor
7 Oakland Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri
8 Jacksonville Eugene Monroe OT Virginia
9 Green Bay Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio St.
10 San Francisco Aaron Maybin DE/OLB Penn St.
11 Buffalo Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma St.
12 Denver B.J. Raji DT Boston College
13 Washington Brian Orakpo DE Texas
14 New Orleans Vontae Davis CB Illinois
15 Houston Everette Brown DE Florida St.
16 San Diego Knowshon Moreno RB


If Kiper is right about this, and the skins don't trade down for more picks, or take an offensive lineman here, then we are reaching yet again, IMO. The O-line need to get bigger and better fast. Orakpo is good, not elite, and it would be a waste at this pick.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | January 24, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

isskinsfan

I wouldn't trust Kiper's analysis.

Kiper's assumptions are a little off because:

a. Vinny has said he wants to give
Rob Jackson a shot at d-end

add that to

b. J Taylor might be on the team next year
and when you consider Philip Daniels
and Alex Buzbee are returning from
injuries, you have to ask, "who plays?"

c. Does this mean Andre Carter is not
playing anymore?

Given Vinny's intimations about desiring to also see Chris Wilson also play, you have to ask why wold the team draft Orakpo for a position that's loaded?

That's what's wrong with Kiper's analysis.

Moe thinks if a strong rt or dt is there, the Skins will take him. If not, and they can't trade down, they'll draft a run stopping linebacker who can also play mlb.

That means they draft Rey Maualga-USC.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 24, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

NOTE TO ISSKINSFAN: You are right on point my friend i saw the "HAIR'S" draft projection for us and we don't need Orakpo at that pick we need O linemen don't get me wrong the kid's gonna be good but if we don't get JC some help to stay upright then we are going to be in trouble.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 24, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Is it ok to buy sodas and dump in the bourbon I snuck in or is that off limits too?

If I drink before the game I usually start getting hungover around halftime. Not a good sight for those sitting around me.

Posted by: fushezzi | January 24, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

For this boycott to really work, it's going to take some extremely dedicated fans.
We need people stationed at every food and beverage and merchandise stand in the stadium for the entire game. They'll need some sort of protest signs or pamphlets to hand out, etc.
The boycott is a good idea, but it will take a great deal of sacrifice and organizing in order for it to become a movement.

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 24, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

What a stupid, ignorant post... If you're not a Redskins fan, then go to a different game and watch a different team. Or better yet stay home and give a real fan the opportunity to buy your tickets. If you hate the owner that much -- then pony up 2 billion dollars, buy the team, and make whatever changes you desire...

If you understand the front office structure, then you should know the owner's involvement is limited to negotiating salaries, hiring front office personnel, and managing the salary cap.

Cindy: It would be nice if the Post make up with the Skins and stopped advocating this type of nonsense. It's simply disrespectful to both the fans and the organization.

Posted by: siris | January 24, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Kiper's analysis is not that far off. The Skins need to replace SLB Marcus Washington (if he's released) and Orakpo would make a fine SLB. Although I'm a little weary of his speed and injury history. However, Maualuga is a MLB -- he'll probably be a very good NFL player, but MLB is not a position of need for the Skins (this year) and most mock drafts have him going before the 13th pick.

Posted by: siris | January 24, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Will people please stop bringing up Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders and Mark Carrier when referencing Snyder. It's been 9 years now since that happened. Please, get over it. We were a botched FG away from the NFC championship game. We were in first in the division with those guys until a late season collapse at the hands of Norv, who just isn't a good Head Coach. One of the best OC's in football but not a good HC. The guy took a shot. Ask the people in Philadelphia if they wish the Eagles would have taken a shot after losing in the SB. Ask them if they wish their owner went out and signed some of the best FA's. It didn't work, but the guy cares about winning more than anyone. He's made mistakes and owned up to them. He may not have come out and said so publicly, but when your paying 3 coaches over 15mil/, as he was when he hired Gibbs that's called owning up to his mistakes.

He hasn't found the right formula, but then again there are 31 teams every year who haven't found the right formula. But don't say its not for a lack of trying because he has tried and spent more than any owner in the NFL. Stop bringing up 9 years ago.

Not buying hot dogs and jerseys isn't going to hurt Snyder at all. It will get people at the stadium or in the retail stores who support their families with that job fired though. It'll get the saleman who sells the hot dogs to the team and the one or two of the multiple guys who supply beer to the stadium fired, but it won't put a dent in Dan Snyders pocket, he's too smart a business man as you've said, for that to happen.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | January 24, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

"Successful teams have owners who count beans and stay out of the way. "
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The biggest myth in football. OWNERS DO NOT STAY OUT OF THE WAY! None of them do. Al Davis and Jerry Jones combined have won 6 Super Bowls as GM's of their teams. Bob Kraft is the owner/CEO/Chairman of the Pats and his son is the President. They are involved intimately in the day to day operation of the football team. They hired Belichick, not a GM. Pioli was hired by Belichick and Kraft after having worked with Belichick in the past. The Rooney family is involved in every aspect of the Steelers operation including personnel and finances. Dan's two sons are Pres and VP.

To make this statement is looking to thrash Snyder, which is fine, it's your perogative. But don't make off the cuff comments that simply aren't true. No one, and I mean no one, is going to make the type of investment in an NFL team and then simply say "ok Mr GM, its your team, let me know how much money you need and please give me a schedule so I can show up at the games".

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | January 24, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

He hasn't found the right formula, but then again there are 31 teams every year who haven't found the right formula. But don't say its not for a lack of trying because he has tried and spent more than any owner in the NFL. Stop bringing up 9 years ago.
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9 years ago is relevant, if 9 years later we're still a team in a deep hole.

In case you haven't noticed, the problem isn't that Snyder doesn't try, it's that he tries too much, and he remains incompetent.

Let's see where we are now:
The team went 2-6 down the stretch, because an aging offensive line finally fell apart.

All these guys need to be replaced in the next couple years (some needed replacing last year).

RT Jon Jansen (age 33)
RG Randy Thomas (age 33)
C Casey Rabach (turns 32 two weeks later)
LG Pete Kendell (age 36)
LT Chris Samuels (age 32)
(Age as of the 1st week of play in 2009.)

Also, we have a big hole at linebacker, as M. Washington is almost certainly being dropped for cap reasons. And despite the trade for Jason Thomas, our D.L. is a dud.

But the good news is we have 1st, 3rd, 5th, and 7th round picks this year!

Hooray! I take back everything I said about Dannyerrato, THEY ARE GENII!

P.S. The press isn't supposed to be a bunch of hineylickers for management. If that's what you want to be, go right ahead.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 24, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I meant the trade for Jason Taylor.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 24, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

6-2stackmonster,

Well said.

Posted by: JoeDonLooney | January 24, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

P.S. The press isn't supposed to be a bunch of hineylickers for management. If that's what you want to be, go right ahead.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 24, 2009 4:09 PM |
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That's true. But they aren't supposed to be ax-grinding malcontents with personal vendettas either.

None of the other people who report on the Skins regularly - Matt Moseley, Jay Glazer, et al., come at the team with their fangs out the way this bag of pus (JLC) does.

It says a lot more about JLC than anything else.

Posted by: JoeDonLooney | January 24, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

LOL @ "bag of pus."

That's MY line!

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 24, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

RT Jon Jansen (age 33)
RG Randy Thomas (age 33)
C Casey Rabach (turns 32 two weeks later)
LG Pete Kendell (age 36)
LT Chris Samuels (age 32)
(Age as of the 1st week of play in 2009.)

Also, we have a big hole at linebacker, as M. Washington is almost certainly being dropped for cap reasons. And despite the trade for Jason Thomas, our D.L. is a dud.

But the good news is we have 1st, 3rd, 5th, and 7th round picks this year!

Hooray! I take back everything I said about Dannyerrato, THEY ARE GENII!

P.S. The press isn't supposed to be a bunch of hineylickers for management. If that's what you want to be, go right ahead.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 24, 2009 4:09 PM
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I've said in previous posts the OL needs to be addressed but it can't be blown up as JLa and others on here are saying. You have to do it incremenatlly and I think that's what the team has planned and has shown.

Heyer was the starter last year before injury. Heyer should start at RT, and if Rinehart comes in at LG, despite what the GM/Beat Writer says, thats replacing two ageing lineman with 2 younger ones. You can find a RG or C next year in Free Agency and draft the other this year and let him develop for a year or two until needed. That's the way OL is developed. You don't blow it up. Continuity and knowledge of the system so they can react instead of thinking are vital. Plus, you can't blow the whole line up when your QB is in the final year of a contact and you have to be able to tell if he is the future QB of this franchise.

I do agree with you and have stated before they need to draft an OLB in the first this year IMO unless they can sign a free agent. If they sign a free agent OLB they need to draft a DE/DT in the first. The reality is that while your QB is still learning the system, if your going to win, you need a lights out defense. Thats why I try to bring back Taylor for one year and hope he can be a playmaker if the system is adjusted to fit his talents. If the system isn't adjusted then they need to let him go.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | January 24, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

P.S. The press isn't supposed to be a bunch of hineylickers for management. If that's what you want to be, go right ahead.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 24, 2009 4:09 PM

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Hineylicker huh. That's a good one.

I have no problem with people ripping on Snyder and said that in my OP. I've ripped the team before for poor decisions and will do so again when I see them made. But to constantly do it, day in and day out, week in and week out, year in and year out, like JLa and some on here do is just annoying.

That's the problem with football. It has reached such a vast audience there are two types of fans. The type that understand the game and talk about the game and the team as a football team, which is what I prefer. And then there are the Access Hollywood types who like to immerse themselves in the gossip, the bashing and harp on activities of the past over and over again who don't know much of the X and O's of the game but still find it interesting and it suits their personalities. That's what JLa is and what many on here are. If you have a football opinion, like a player and how he fits into the system and think he should be drafted and when they don't you get mad about that, I have no problem about that. You can question the GM and his decisions and you should, I do. But when people start making personal attacks on people for poor business decisions I have a problem with that. When reporters start giving team executives disrespectful nicknames, I have a problem with that. It's unprofessional and leads to a paparazzi approach to following the team instead of a professional journalistic approach.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | January 24, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

He's wrong about the number of playoff games under Snyder: 5 games with 2 wins. (Norv: 1-1 in 1999 season...Gibbs 1-1 in 2005 season and 0-1 in 2007)

Posted by: kirbyknight | January 24, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

And to be fair, it's 5 head coaches (no one counts interim HCs). And he's only fired one coach that he hired.

I'm not a Snyder fan, and am convinced that we will never be successful as long as he owns the team, but at the least the facts should be correct.

Posted by: kirbyknight | January 24, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

If i'm a scout for the Skin's then i'd be looking at the players who made Black College All AMERICAN Div 1, specifically the lineman on offense and defense bring them in as free agents it can't hurt may be you'll find a diamond in the rough and also Div 1aa All Americans O line and D line prospsect's we need help and what do we have to lose these guy's are hungry and more than likely don't have ego's they would be perfect for the "taxi" squad.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 24, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Plus, you can't blow the whole line up when your QB is in the final year of a contact and you have to be able to tell if he is the future QB of this franchise.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | January 24, 2009 5:00 PM
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Pittsburgh blew our whole line up in the 9th game this year. (Also, they blew up Portis' knee with the hairball torpedo hit, although Clinton didn't recall that when he was ascribing his 500 yards in the 2nd half to blocking schemes.)

The Giants followed, even Dallas did it, followed by the Ravens.

We went into the Cincinnati game against a team that not only had a horrible defensive line, they had injuries on that line. They pushed our o.l. around.

You can talk about not blowing up the line, but they're past their shelf life overall. It's already blown up. Jason Campbell will be lucky to make it through the next season without a serious injury without changes to the o.l.

And all this was predictable, just as I predicted how old they'll all be next year.

P.S. Heyer has done fine for us, considering he was an undrafted free agent. But the coaches decided that Jansen was the starter, in spite of the many problems we saw Jansen have during the season. We can all hope Heyer will improve his run blocking. But that's a hope, not an actual thing.

I hope Rinehart will become a good player. But if ever a broken down line needed a rookie to come in and help out, it was ours. Rinehart wasn't in the game for one snap this past year.

This is failure. Maybe we can fix it, but don't tell me that it isn't failure.

P.P.S. I'd like to see someone try to explain why none of this is Danny's fault, while also trying to explain why Danny should ever be involved with football operations on this team again.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 24, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

I’m glad that Daniel Snyder is the owner of the Washington Redskins. He cares for this team and the franchise’s success more than most other owners in the NFL. Snyder is one of only a few owners who are willing to pour much of the earnings back into player acquisitions in an effort to field a championship team. And you cannot say that we haven’t had good teams around here in the last decade (well, you can, because many of you have been saying that) but Snyder’s era has seen some good as well as the bad most people are dwelling on.

The last four seasons the Redskins have a regular season record of 32-32. Yeah, it’s average, but of those four seasons we’ve made the playoffs twice (3 games) – only to lose to Seattle both years. I would argue that our teams in both those seasons were the best and most feared teams among the other NFC playoff contenders. In both of those playoff games in Seattle, we fell victim to huge momentum swings with missed field goals.

On the field in the 2005 playoffs we were the more physical team in the trenches as so many say has been our weakness in the Snyder era. Alexander, in his prime, was pounded by our D-men and taken out of the game – but a failed kick changed our fortunes. What about the Tampa game a week earlier? We rode our tough D to victory as the offense battled a stingy Bucs defense. That 2005 team had Super Bowl written all over it. But, it just didn’t happen. We had the talent – Snyder made sure the guys needed to field that team were signed.

Last year was tough but we battled through adversity and steamed our way to another playoff berth. Again, I’d argue that we were the one team that no one in the NFC wanted to play. Our D-line again owned the trenches as we were in playoff mode against the Giants, Vikings, and Cowboys weeks earlier, stopping some great running backs to get another meeting with Seattle. Again, Seattle got the better of us, but we had a great team with great players that Snyder helped get here.

Call for whatever you wish, but don’t be so narrow-minded to only see one side of a situation. We’ve had great teams and, well, not so great teams, but Snyder has always fielded a very skilled and capable bunch of guys here. Every year they’ve had high expectations. I’ve loved rooting for them, and even though we didn’t make the playoffs this year, I am excited to see how Mr. Snyder will improve our team this offseason through free agency and the draft. Remember, only two teams per year make it to the Super Bowl. Right now, thirty teams need to improve upon this past season.

Posted by: jeremynt | January 24, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

The biggest myth in football. OWNERS DO NOT STAY OUT OF THE WAY! None of them do. Al Davis and Jerry Jones combined have won 6 Super Bowls as GM's of their teams.

Dude you do realize they both actually played football. Most of the "successful" front office personnel actually played football. Dan was the last pick in everything he played besides the board room. Dont knock those who want to "boycott" the man (not the team), sometimes anarchy is what's needed. We all love the Skins or we wouldn't be blogging about them. We all want them to succeed but the mans track record sucks. We've had 10 years of bad drafts and free agent acquisitions (minus Gibbs ST21/Los/Landry/Cooley/Fletcher). Its cool if Dan keeps the team but he needs to STF out of the way. Get a real GM and give Vinny Das Boot.

Posted by: murphyz | January 24, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

That 2005 team had Super Bowl written all over it. But, it just didn’t happen. We had the talent – Snyder made sure the guys needed to field that team were signed.

Posted by: jeremynt | January 24, 2009 6:53 PM

Do you remember Brunell threw for like 40 yards in that game against TB. That year just like every other the D did everything to win and the offense was inconsistent at best. I liked that team a lot but it wasn't a super bowl team.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | January 24, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Cindy for posting my final draft and the correction. I had originally written this piece before the 2007 playoff run. As we all nothing much change this year so I felt this post was still appropriate to write.

Posted by: ozmentdws | January 24, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

The most important thing to take from my blog (if you agree there is a problem with Dan Snyder's business practices) is that we must spread the word amongst fans if we want this to work. Now is a great time to do it. The Skins organization is showing some signs of weakness in this economy and many fans will likely be interested in saving money. Perhaps we can get some traction with this idea.

Posted by: ozmentdws | January 24, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Ok, so maybe the concessions are pricey, but so what? That doesn’t mean that he's a poor owner. Yes, he is trying to make a buck but seriously, has Snyder deliberately tried to deny fans a winning team? No. In fact I think he's tried too hard to make us a winning team but he just goes about it the wrong way. They sign high priced, declining, and diva free agents and draft chronically injured and lazy prospects.

Boycotting the concessions, despite their ridiculous prices, is not going to change danny and vinny's philosophy on handling players or their signing/drafting practices. In my opinion that is only going to hurt the franchise... What needs to change is their player evaluations- not their concession or ticket prices.

Posted by: mharman1 | January 25, 2009 1:26 AM | Report abuse

besides, to them, what do us fans know?

Posted by: mharman1 | January 25, 2009 1:29 AM | Report abuse

everyone seems to forget that cooke started this downfall by hiring a bad coach and keeping him way too long. but jlc would probably love to have turner back. probably because he would have kept torrence.

Posted by: rls1041 | January 25, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

No one is getting it. If people keep showing up and buying concessions and purchasing Skins merchandise he'll never have to change anything. This sends a very clear message, that we are happy fans. Guess what, I'm not happy and haven't been a happy fan for the last 10 years. I'm starting to realize that I'm no different than a Lions fan. We aren't as bad as the Lions but our likelihood of winning the big bowl are just as slim. Personally, I'm sick of it and feel like a pushover. I refuse to go to a home game until things change. I didn't got to a single game this year and I won't until things really change. I'm sorry to all those season ticket holders but as soon as it becomes to a burden for them to unload tickets during the season they will keep renewing.

Posted by: supermoto22 | January 25, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

As soon as you would start seeing losses in the merchandise and food column - the owner would RAISE TICKET PRICES - you're stuck.

If you really want to rebel - drop your tix and root for another team. sorry for the bad news.

Posted by: my1xrulz | January 25, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Marketing 101: The Redskins brand will remain strong and viable for the foreseeable future unless the product on the field continues to be of sub par quality! The reality at some point has to meet the marketing hype - otherwise, the brand value is degraded and you start to lose mind share with your target market of suckers!

I've been a lifelong Redskins fan so it’s hard not to blindly follow the rest of you lemmings over the cliff!

Posted by: skinsfan7 | January 25, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

4th floor said...

* Every team that has won a Super Bowl since Snyder took over does not have a GM. In fact, the team that won the most SBs since Snyder took over has the SAME EXACT HIREARCHY. The New England Patriots.

***Semantics 4th Floor... Pioli acted as a GM and Kraft does not get involved in personnel decisions.


***4th Floor quoted and posted:

"The Redskins are a wildly successful business. But how often does a business find such success when its primary product is so unsuccessful?
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Because the owners are making money. And lots of it!

***4th floor, you missed the whole point of the piece. Does Toyota sell a lot of cars that don't work well? Does Apple sell a lot of iPhones and Macbooks that don't work? No... They both make tons of money because they sell good products.

The Skins are a football team. It's been almost 20 years since they had a successful/good product. They are a football franchise with a mediocre football team. I disagree with anyone on here who says Snyder's motivation in signing free agents is purely for the benefit of the team. More often than not, I believe he is trying to get a name to sell more merchandise.

Posted by: ozmentdws | January 25, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Dude you do realize they both actually played football. Most of the "successful" front office personnel actually played football. Dan was the last pick in everything he played besides the board room. Dont knock those who want to "boycott" the man (not the team), sometimes anarchy is what's needed. We all love the Skins or we wouldn't be blogging about them. We all want them to succeed but the mans track record sucks. We've had 10 years of bad drafts and free agent acquisitions (minus Gibbs ST21/Los/Landry/Cooley/Fletcher). Its cool if Dan keeps the team but he needs to STF out of the way. Get a real GM and give Vinny Das Boot.

Posted by: murphyz | January 24, 2009 8:06 PM
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Ok, so Washington, Springs, Griffin, Portis, Moss, Rabach, Thomas were bad free agent/trades. Samuels, Arrington, Smoot, Campbell, Betts and Pierce were bad draft time moves.

Also, don't you think staging a boycott and using words like anarchy are a little over the top. I love the Redskins but the reason I love them is because I love football and they are the team I've followed since I was born. I've been fortunate to be alive for 4 Super Bowls and 3 Wins. I'd love another one too and I'm sure I'll see it again. But if following a football team makes you this miserable then you've got to step away and take up another hobby. This guys submitted a lengthy post about boycotting a team to one of the worlds foremost newspapers and you're backing it up saying anarchy is needed. If a football team drives you to these feelings you need to see a shrink! This is supposed to be for your enjoyment. As Zorn says, gotta learn to keep it medium. Over the last 11 years there are 25 teams that haven't won a Super Bowl. Neither of you guys are really unique in your disgust and I can guarantee you that almost everyone of those cities has had some guy on a message board or talk radio declare a boycott idea. Guess what? The league is still doing fine and so are the owners.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | January 25, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Under the recommendation of not drinking during the game and thereby NOT paying into the coffers of the owner, I can attest that this is not as big a deal as you might initially think. I'm teaching at UGA in Athens and had to get used to the idea of watching a game without drinking during the game. We do sufficient tailgating and roll on into the game. Not drinking is no big deal. We actually enjoy it better. We can remember specifics plays, downs and distances better than I ever remembered Skins games.

I think his plan would work!

Posted by: johnfickel | January 25, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

6-2StackMonster,

You, my friend, are a sanctimonious hog, and I mean that in a good way! Please try to keep it "MEDIUM" as we all jump off the cliff together like a bunch of lemmings! Seems like this organization, under the misguided leadership of the little Napoleon, has been running towards that cliff for the past 10 years!

Posted by: skinsfan7 | January 25, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Alright I know there will be some who are going to laugh at this question but here goes: Is there any logical reason (other than price gouging and to just exploit the hunger and thirst of the fans)to charge $6.00 for a single hot dog and $8.00 for a single 12ounce beer? Seems way out of line to me, how in the world can a guy take his wife and a couple a kids? Skins fans must have some deep pockets.

Posted by: 72Redskins | January 25, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Like those kids in school who "fight conformity" by wearing all the same black clothing, the Redskins Insider followers are rallying for "objective Skins coverage" by following a guy who is as subjective as they come.

Criticize JLC = you must love Dan Snyder.

What if I think both stink?

Posted by: SonnyFan | January 25, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

How many times does Danny Boy get to try a new way? There are a few examples in the NFL to follow if you want to win. And the best example for Danny Boy is to stop thinking with his smaller brain. And I am sorry but an owner who has never won at pocket pool will never win a Super Bowl.

The Redskins for most of the history except for for a few spurts have always been mediocre or worse. They have suffered through owners who were racists, who were lawyers and too busy and now one with a Napoleon complex.

You Deadskin fans are stuck with him for next 30 years best of luck.

And sorry Jla is one of the better sports reporters the WP has had in the last 40 years. Thanks god the WP got rid of the homers and how great the Deadskins are and how great Saint Joe is mentality. Fools like Mr Tony and the bandwagon thankfully are long gone.

And 6-2sackmonster lay off the Snyder Kool aid it aint kosher!

Posted by: sheepherder | January 26, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

"All points of view are welcome" (as long as they are anti-Snyder and/or anti-Vinny).

Don't worry LaCrapfora, I corrected it for you

Posted by: CPortisRun | January 26, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Why don't all you idiots who want to "boycott" the team now move to Philly where you'll fit right in? Either that, or maybe you could all start buying Raven jerseys with "LaCanfora" on the back. I'm a REDSKINS fan, not a Washington Post Reporters fan, and many of you appear to be easily brainwashed...

Posted by: CPortisRun | January 26, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

danny boy has killed any enthusiasm I had for the team. I don't watch em, read about em, follow em. As long as he and vinny are running the asylum, we will continue to stink. You Redskins fans are wasting your energy and enthusiasm on a bad product. You are just filling his pockets with your Redskin fix. (and it's a fake Redskin fix these days) Until danny boy feels it in the pocket, he will not change. His next venture is to retro-fit all the toilets to pay-toilets - that way he can charge you outrageously for the beer, and then to get rid of it!

Posted by: 1of9000 | January 26, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Understand that the Redsikns marketing area extends from just south of Baltimore, west to Rt 81 south to Richmond, and east to the Atlantic Ocean. It includes three of the top 10 wealthiest counties in the US. A big chunk of the stadium revenue comes from skyboxes and this is not likely to change in the near term despite the economy. The corporations who lease the skyboxes aren't likely to give a d#$% about $8 hotdogs nor are they the type tailgate, use Metro, or park out in the middle of nowhere to screw the Danny out of a few bucks.

Given the range and population (7 mil +) of the marketing area for the Skins its unlikely that anyone could organize any effective boycott of merchandise sales. Besides, these sales are NOT about the Redskins but about particular popular players. Maybe you're willing to tell your kid "no, daddy is not going to buy you Portis's jersey because he's trying to make a point" but I doubt you'll get much support. Now add in all the radio and entertainment properties. Even if the Skins suck everyone still calls in to complain and as long as that happens he can still sell ad's.

They only thing that would kill the money machine is widespread apathy and thats not likely to happen. So basically expect that the Skins will continue to field average teams. Continue to expect folks to complain that the team under performs even though the reality is that they perform exactly to the level their talent allows, and even occasionally, like last year, out perform their talent level. Continue to expect after a 9-7 or a lucky 10-6 season some to say that they're "only" one or two players away even though its more like 15 to 20. And continue to expect the Danny to make the big splash acquisition thats based more on marketing than football.

Posted by: elkiii_2008 | January 26, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

bold!

Posted by: RedDMV | January 26, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

to your comment in the last paragraph, if Dan "thinks (we) love him" then he really is dillusional. How can this guy stand himself knowing that every season ticket holder dislikes him, and most redskins fans dislike him. Nobody like this guy - you say it best "As owner, Snyder has increased annual profits by $100 million." That is what he cares about.

He should focus less on Forbes and more on the team and the fan experience, which pays the bills.

Posted by: lancer1 | January 26, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Here is some change I can believe in: Fire everyone, top to bottom.
Hire all new staff:
HC- Harry Connick Jr.
Associate HC/offense/hot dog vendor: hugh Jackman
Associate HC/defense/VP of beer sales: Gene Hackman
Speciality teams/FedExField counterterrorisim chairman: George W. Bush
House counsel: Stuart Hainey (more like a thick soup than a name, really)
Director of player personnell: Dick Clark
Strength and conditioning: Carrot Top
Team Clown: Clinton Portis
Offensive coord/emphasis on game planning:thom loverro
team disciplinarian: Joe Pesci
team mascot: red wing From Holbrook AZ.
team song: "Dream Weaver" 'cause your dreamin' if you think the Redskins can win the superbowl before the end of the world.

Posted by: fullonfully | January 26, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

what is jeremynt smoking? Yeah, Dan loves the redskins but he sucks as an owner. He ego is inversely proportional to his height. He defines himself first as a marketing genius because he has nothing else to get him respect. That is why he is obsessed with the margins and team value because they feed the perception of himself that he is "the man". Everything else, including winning and having a fan base that rallies behind him is secondary. Jack Kent Cooke did not suffer from this feeling of inadequacy, nor does Rooney or Kraft or Blank or Jones or most of the successful owners in the NFL. They would feel inadquate if they were not held in high regard by their community and fans. This is where Danny boy fails as a leader - he has to prove himself at the expense of loyal fans. What he does to make a buck is disgusting.

Posted by: lancer1 | January 26, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

While don't disagree with the sentiment of this post, I do have to disagree with the analysis as it relates to business. The business Snyder is in is not "football," it's entertainment. Football is the entertainment vehicle, but there is much more to the experience than just the result of the football game produced. Did you have a good time? Was your food tasty and enjoyable? Etc. And this goes beyond just seeing the games in person. It applies in all aspects, whether from your armchair at home or at a bar: were you entertained?

I've been a diehard Skins fan my whole 36 years on this earth and want nothing more than for us to be successful and win the Super Bowl every year, but your nuts of you think Dan Snyder doesn't want to do the same. Besides his fanboy love for the team, he'll make even more of the money you seem to think he only cares about. Why wouldn't he want 1-3 more games at home plus a national TV audience for 3-4 more weeks? It just happens he's smart enough to make money on the regular season.

Bottom line is that it's not his direct fault; nor is it some conspiracy to defraud the customer that results in players not performing to the potential they had when he signed his sizeable checkbook over to them. Players play and coaches coach. And he gives all the money necessary to get the best available. Period.

Posted by: BrianLooney | January 28, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Like I said before, just because some people boycott merchandise wont change what Synder does personnel wise. These are two completely different aspects with two completely different philosophies. Snyder will still remain buddy buddy with the stars and still pay big money for the wrong people and draft the injured ones because he doesnt know football. He doesnt even know he doesnt know football. Same with Vinney...

Posted by: mharman1 | January 29, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

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