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Toss-up: Would You Go for T.O.?

By Cindy Boren  |  March 5, 2009; 8:42 AM ET
 
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Daniels may be old but, never forget, he can stop the run.

If Leigh Torrence was a Pro Bowler then that means Evans is an All Pro, who just might become an Astronaut after football.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 5, 2009 8:48 AM

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 5, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Owens? Tread carefully. Although I actually think he'd be good for Campbell to have someone to get the ball to. I don't know. A two year deal, with lots of incentives... He can't get separation like he used to.

Posted by: showell81 | March 5, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Owens is not coming here, did we go after TO when he was a FA before no, so why would we bother now when he has lost a few steps, and has proven he can't get along with any QB.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 5, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

I don't think they will sign him but I won't be surpised if they do.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 5, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Here we go.... I can only imagine the nuclear fallout if we signed TO.

I don't think, even for the vet min, I would consider it.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 5, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

I do think we need another WR though... Lance Moore is still out there isnt he? Should have looked at Henderson or Nate W.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 5, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

ugh....how about an update on the cap space for the team, or getting word on any free agents out there that the team might be considering, or how about a follow up regarding Willis, the OT from Seattle??

Sorry, what was I thinking....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 5, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Owens would be terrible for Campbell. We have pretty much ruined the guy already. You bring in TO you might as well bring back Spurriers blocking scheme. I swear if that dude is on our roster I won't watch a single game.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 5, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Keep TO out of the NFC East. He is making a travishamockery of our division.

Possible TO destinations:

Miami - he and Tuna could have a reunion
S.F. - Singletary is big on "me" guys.
Buffalo - small market football, we may never hear about him again.
Arizona - TO is is David Boston circa 2001. It works.
Kansas City - they have receivers there?
Oakland - for obvious reasons

Posted by: Dorf | March 5, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

You can't be serious, Dorf...Parcells HATES Owens! And AZ has more WRs than they know what to do with! The only team that makes sense is Oakland.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 5, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

I know T.O. is not a great lockerroom guy but the chance to get a real #1 WR, Santatna is a true #2....could be the best combo in the NFL...

Posted by: BC1963 | March 5, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Letting Evans go is a bad sign. Zorn needs a roster full of character guys ... we all saw what happened with Portis last year. Will Albert and Hall be choirboys with guaranteed $$? Maybe, no one knows.

Evans was a perfect Blache/Gibbs type player. Played hard, effective against he run, OK as a pass rusher (about the same number of sacks as our specialists). Versatile enough to take snaps on the inside. A Gibbs 'core Redskin' sort. And, oh yeah, darn cheap considering he was the best DE on the team. Still cheap at $2million for 2 years.

Gibbs could deal with most divas because he had the kind of credibility that only comes with a bunch of rings and a spot in Canton. Zorn doesn't have that cred or Gibbs' people skills.

Evans, as a stand alone event, not a big deal. But ...

your other DE is cut
you've pushed the cap hard and need value guys
you still have several holes to fill
the 2 big signings have significant character issues in their history

Evans is a big deal -- in context.

People who don't know any better will dismiss the chemistry concern, feel OK with all the holes remaining and ignore the change of direction regarding character players. Its not like we haven't seen this movie before

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 5, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Dorf,

I think Baltimore would be in play he almost went there before.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 5, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

flounder/bean

'...that the guy who replaces Evans is not on the team yet....'


Yes: his name is Brian Orakpo/C Maybin.

Then there's the added issue of slb: maybe D Brooks wants to finish out his career as a redskin.

I'd sign Daniels and Holiday before the day ended.

I know these are old guys, but sometimes the known beats the unknown, especially when all a good defense needs is to make sure its pieces saty fitting together.

I'd kick Montgomery's tires to see if he can play a little strongside defensive end as athletic defensive ends (and versitile safeties) are all the rage in the NFL).

The moronic TO question is like being asked: sodomy on your knees or or from behind.

Either way, adding that guy will suck.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 5, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

He was no pro bowler, but he was a reliable run stopper who actually made plays in the backfield and got 3.5 sacks last year.

Posted by: kenboy1 | March 5, 2009 1:44 AM | Report abuse

And he had more tackles and sacks than Igor did last year and started fewer games.

So yeah - Go get Igor! He's our savior!

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 5, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 5, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Possible TO destinations:

Miami - he and Tuna could have a reunion
S.F. - Singletary is big on "me" guys.
Buffalo - small market football, we may never hear about him again.
Arizona - TO is is David Boston circa 2001. It works.
Kansas City - they have receivers there?
Oakland - for obvious reasons


Posted by: Dorf | March 5, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

I immediately thought of the Titans as well. They could use a big name receiver.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 5, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Easy call on TO. Zorn doesn't know how to handle divas. He proved that last year. We just signed 2 guys that (history suggests) could be an issue. Add another?

If our coach was Cowher and he said yes, you do it. Our coach is Jim Zorn, the answer is NO.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 5, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Completely agree z. Not sure how we are planning to fill 1-2 LB spots, DE and RT with 4 picks. Trading down and hitting on the first 2 picks is almost a necessity.

Owens has ruined 3 teams. That is more than a pattern. Don't like using the word but he is a cancer if there ever was one.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 5, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

bf, no one is saying that Igor is the savior, not one person is saying that.

Lets start with the basics here however.

You under stand the difference in a 3-4 defense and a 4-3 defense right??

The role of a 3-4 DE is to tie up 2 blockers so that the LB's can make the play.

You still with me??

Let me know if you get this much, before I go on......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 5, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

T.O. is a great talent, when he's on he is a beast, no doubt. If he plays next season the career numbers of: 1,000 Catches, 15,000 yards, and 150 TDs are very obtainable. I am a big fan of his game, not his attitude.


I wonder, which team will take a chance on him? He can't play for a "on the verge" team. Only team that are serious contenders next year will be able to corral Owens and his bipolar behavior.

Indy?
Pitt?
San Diego?
N.E.?

I think he would be a good fit with the Titans or Vikings. By good fit, I mean they could use him.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Moe;

Brooks is a WLB in a cover 2 scheme... TB is moving away from that scheme so they let him go... so in a word.. Nope

Posted by: Zeebs | March 5, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

TO is the type of player that needs a Belichek type as a coach. Where the coach is clearly the boss and management trusts the coach to do whats needed. Which really means there are very few places that would fit owens at this point. But hey, I'd like to see him in SD -- just because I don't like Norv

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 5, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

I agree 2 year deal. T.O. was getting double teams all last year. Moss would finally start getting single coverage with T.O. here. Nobody is scared of our offense and with him, Moss, Portis, and Cooley that's a amazing passing threat.

Posted by: wdhart3 | March 5, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

From PFT:

The Redskins would be interested even if they weren’t in a position to twist the tails of their Texas rivals. It’s Terrell Owens, for crying out loud. A big-name player, available to be signed by a team that collects them like football cards.

For the same reasons that the ‘Skins were willing to give up a package that could have been worth two first-round picks last year for erratic and emotional Bengals receiver Chad Johnson, owner Daniel Snyder will pounce on the chance to upgrade a so-so receiving corps with a guy who knows the West Coast Offense as well as any receiver.

We give the Redskins a little more of an edge on this one, because: (1) they’ll be willing to pay more money; and (2) the Giants ultimately could decide to back off not based on attitude but on age. Owens is a temporary fix; the Giants are likely hoping for something that adds value for more than a year or two.

God I hope not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 5, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

"N.E.?"

Wow. I know T.O. and Randy are getting up there...but that might be the sickest QB, WR1, WR2 combo ever.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 5, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

He's toxic waste. Poison to every team he's played on. There is just no place for the, it's all about me players, in the NFL. They cost a lot of money, and they don't add anything positive to the game. At this point, TO should probably go into rehab for his terminal narcissism.

Posted by: TRACIETHEDOLPHIN | March 5, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I vote No to TO.

The Pros
Possession guy we lack.
Good size
A solid no 2 who would open up the spots for Moss and Cooley.
A lock for 8-10 TD's

The Cons
He is &*(@ crazy
Will likely attack JC CC and Moss for hogging the ball.
Would likely get into a fist fight with Portis worse then the Davis vs Westbrook fight.
He will walk all over Zorn.
Art Monk wont give him 81 and he will try and fight Monk.
He will want too much and as a result be un-cutable when he goes nuts.
Our young WR's will try and emulate this A$$
He is @#$& crazy.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 5, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

zj,

That is something we can agree on.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 5, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

zj,

That is something we can agree on.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 5, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Understood Beantown but the way people are talking him up around here you would think he was the 2nd coming of Reggie White.

I completely understand the whole 3-4 4-3 thing which is another reason we don't need him. He's never played in a 4-3.

If time goes by and he's still on the market then bring him in for a visit if you can get him on the cheap. But no use going after him now when the prices are still somewhat up there.

BUT to contradict my own self Green Bay is taking a look at him now and the run a 4-3 so.....

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 5, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I would have to get a QB before you get a HOF receiver ...Like wiping before ya poop...don't make sense

Posted by: K88J28 | March 5, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

PFT = RI power rankings.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 5, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Zorn can't handle CP and Jansen in the media properly, he'd get debacled by TO.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 5, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

zj, you knew the inevitable, "teams who are instered includes the Redskins" was going to happen.

Its just selling hits on their website....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 5, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Jason -

I think I have figured it out - I'm not really sure Big Dan cares about winning, I think he's more interested in butts in seats and selling $20 hotdogs and oh yeah, merchandise. If he had TO, how man more jerseys would the Skins sell?

I still believe that you get players to gel, you focus on the game - weaknesses and strengths - I am not sure Cambell can throw deep with accuracy which is pretty much the only thing I have seen TO do over the last year.

And before they even look at him, how about asking Garcia/McNabb/Romo what the real issues were? Against a really good defense (aka as my Pgh Steelers) I don't see him making a hoot of a difference.

But you know, Big Dan doesn't seem to be all about the game..

Posted by: Steelergurl | March 5, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I could see Brooks in Washington for the right price. We need an LB and he and Fletcher are as smart as they come. They'll adapt to each other. Its a stop gap move, but as stop gaps go, a pretty good one I suspect

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 5, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Pay PFT no mind. Every single time a big name player becomes available they throw the Redskins in there first. And they didn't even provide links so you know it's not true.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 5, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Mike Florio at PFTalk is no idiot and he's calling this one a Skins pick-up.

Check it out.

Snyder is unpredictable and crazy - me thinks he could fall for TO.

Let's face it, TO is a great player. Yea, a great player that cant catch and destroys the locker room, I know, I know.

What a disaster this would be...

Posted by: gdennie | March 5, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Demtric Evans = Ryan Clark 2.0

Posted by: Devo2 | March 5, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

On TO, the 'No 10,000 times No' has about 400 votes ... so far.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 5, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I could see Brooks in Washington for the right price. We need an LB and he and Fletcher are as smart as they come. They'll adapt to each other. Its a stop gap move, but as stop gaps go, a pretty good one I suspect

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 5, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Watch out. I said this 2 days ago and nearly got my head chopped off.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 5, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

In fact the more I think of it, I think the Vikings will make a play for Owens.

Brad Childress, their head coach, was also the offensive coordinator in Philadelphia when Owens was there. The Vikings don't have a legit WR with guys like Berrian, Rice, and Wade.
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Possible TO destinations:

Miami - he and Tuna could have a reunion
S.F. - Singletary is big on "me" guys.
Buffalo - small market football, we may never hear about him again.
Arizona - TO is is David Boston circa 2001. It works.
Kansas City - they have receivers there?
Oakland - for obvious reasons


Posted by: Dorf | March 5, 2009 9:00 AM
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I don't see Owens going to any of those teams except Buffalo, maybe. There are plenty of teams that can use a guy like him, but the only way his behavior can't be a distraction is if he's on a winning team.

But all the winning teams have head coaches with strong personalities...


Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

bf, ok, so you understand what I've written so far. Good thats at least a start.

No one is saying he's the 2nd coming of Reggie White, sorry that just hasn't happened.

What people are saying is that:
1. He's young, and has some upside. Lots of NFL related sites had him as the 3rd rated DE in free agency, so he has talent. He's strong against the run, and perhaps not having to try and go through 2 blockers will benefit his game.
2. He's been out in free agency long enough that his price wouldn't be that much. He's had ONE visit to GB, and they didn't sign him. There is a point in time in which the money will run out.
3. He's the best option out there, yes he's no Demetric Evans, but then there can only be one of these guys.

You still with me.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 5, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

If I'm TO, I start the Redskins rumor myself. Still, there won't be a bidding war for owens

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 5, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

JOIN US ON THE JUNKIES
Posted by Mike Florio on March 5, 2009, 8:53 a.m.
The folks in D.C. already are buzzing about the possibility of plucking a receiver best known for his initials, and a wicked middle name (it’s Eldorado).

So we’ve been invited to help stir the pot regarding the potential arrival of T.O. with our good friends the Junkies of WJFK.

For those of you not in the radio listening area, you can bring the listening area to your cubicle by clicking right here.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 5, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

I would like to see Brooks, hell no on TO we have a real good locker room right now, I dont want him and CP to start running their mouth all the time. We also just drafted 2 last year.

Posted by: SAK2 | March 5, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Just an off the cuff, but owens goes to the Texans. They have a great young WR, a terrific young RB and a QB who's pretty good.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 5, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Owens is not coming here, did we go after TO when he was a FA before no, so why would we bother now when he has lost a few steps, and has proven he can't get along with any QB.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 5, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Because it's Dan Snyder and we were willing to trade 2 #1 picks for Chad Johnson last year. You don't think if Snyder can get T.O. on the cheap he won't be the first in line? And don't you think T.O. would love to play Dallas and Philly 2 x a year? Bet it happens as bad as I hope it doesn't.

Posted by: virtueandvice | March 5, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

BUT to contradict my own self Green Bay is taking a look at him now and the run a 4-3 so.....

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 5, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse
I think they are cinverting to a 3-4.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 5, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

I'm good with Brooks coming here. We'll need a few stop gaps anyway.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 5, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

gdennie,

Florio is no idiot thats true, but he says the same thing about the Skins everytime a big name player is available.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 5, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Bet it happens as bad as I hope it doesn't.

Posted by: virtueandvice

nothing like a conflicted poster with a conflicted name

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 5, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

TO is better than any WR currently on the Skins roster right now. In fact, he would be the best Redskins WR (even in his advanced age for a receiver) since Gary Clark.

Posted by: 1buj | March 5, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

gdennie,

Florio is no idiot thats true, but he says the same thing about the Skins everytime a big name player is available.

Posted by: Flounder21

And he is right over 50% of the time.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 5, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

*** quick survey ***
on the TO vote -- do we exceed 10 thousand on the 'No thousand times no' selection?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 5, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

For all the people thinking that Owens coming here is a good idea, it isn't.

If Owens couldn't get along with Garcia (when he was a pro bowl QB), McNabb, and Romo, what makes any of you think that he will be happy here with Jason Campbell as his QB.

Besides, as much of a talent Owens is he is a bad locker room guy - someone with questionable charcater. Do the 'skins really need another guy like that with Haynesworth, Hall, and to an extent - Portis already on the team?

And, if he did come here, he'd have to practice against DeAngelo Hall. The last time they went up against each other Owens spat in his face.

"Yes, yes, in dee face!"

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Still with you Bean.


1. He's young, and has some upside. Lots of NFL related sites had him as the 3rd rated DE in free agency, so he has talent. He's strong against the run, and perhaps not having to try and go through 2 blockers will benefit his game.

I agree with young but every scouting report I read had him rated as a DE for a 3-4 defense. They clearly state he will be a good fit in a 3-4.

2. He's been out in free agency long enough that his price wouldn't be that much. He's had ONE visit to GB, and they didn't sign him. There is a point in time in which the money will run out.

This is what I said. wait and get him for cheap if you are going to get him so I agree.

3. He's the best option out there, yes he's no Demetric Evans, but then there can only be one of these guys.

Evans was the best option out there IMHO and we let him walk. All I'm saying is that those people who were saying that Evans was overrated and anyone can take his place should not be on the Igor bandwagon because the numbers say that Evans is the better choice.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 5, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Someone needs to get over to Signature at Dulles and see if the jet is on the tarmac.

If not, we in trouble...

Posted by: gdennie | March 5, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I'm done with the TO discussion he is not coming here, Cindy posted this to get the argument going to boost the number of post.

Actually it was very smart by her, she knows how most of you feed off this crap.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 5, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

"Letting Evans go is a bad sign."

How?

The team was at the bottom of the league in sacks and couldn't pressure a cooker.

Dude is VERY easily replaced.

If you like him that much don't worry, he will get cut after one season in SF and be back in Washington next year.

All of these people saying Evans is a pillar of the Redskins defense clearly know NOTHING about football, or haven't watched the Redkskins NOT be able to put any pressure on the QB the last several years.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | March 5, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

And, if he did come here, he'd have to practice against DeAngelo Hall. The last time they went up against each other Owens spat in his face.

"Yes, yes, in dee face!"

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

ooooh - Forgot about that. No way he comes to the Skins. We just signed DH so you can't let him go to bring in TO and the two of them could not be on the same team.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 5, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

My take on TO is if we aren't going after him it will be made public very soon just to put he rumors to bed. I personally hate TO but I think if it is an incentive deal for 2 years he will put us over the top in 2009. Give Kelly and Thomas 1 more year to mature. YOu can't deny it would make us favorites, look how he took Philly to the NFC championship and ressurected Dallas to the playoffs. Just buy a lot of "duck" tape for him mouth.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | March 5, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

man disagree with beantown at your own risk. Congrats dude you have officially locked up the most condescending poster award.

bigfish, you will soon be called on to commit suicide for disagreeing with him.

i am rooting for TO signing just to read the army of Skins apologists do a 180 and defend the move. If that happens I will def be grabbing my popcorn.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

"That is, if you have brains.

Posted by: MistaMoe"

Wow, really? This coming from the guy over-inflating Evans like he was 25-year old wunderkind with tremendous upside and potential for multiple pro-bowls? And from the guy that equated the signing of Albert Haynesworth to the loss of 2nd and 6th round draft picks?

I have no idea where you get the impression that Evans was a quality "short-zone" defender. He wasn't. You're thinking of Jason Taylor, which is why Jason Taylor ended the season with 9 passes defensed in his "13" games and was charged with the role of shadowing Brian Westbrook vs. the Eagles, while Evans ended his season with 2 passes defensed in his 16 games.

And every player I mentioned in that list can still play, save for possibly Phillip Daniels, who last I checked was the unquestioned starter over Evans entering the 2008 season, and performed much better in 2007 than Evans did in 2008. Kevin Carter, another "old guy", is 6'6 300lbs, started 16 games for the very impressive Bucs defense last season, is very stout against the run, and a much better pass-rusher than Evans, both from the edge and from the DT position. Every one of the other guys listed (Olshansky, Wynn, Wright, Holliday) were all either starters for their teams or rotational players, all on good defenses, much like Evans, and had statistics very similar to Evans.

There's a reason all of them, including Evans, were/are on the market this season, despite the fact that none of them would command a large contract. They all can be replaced, easily. Those types of players are as plentiful as any around the league. What cannot be replaced is an Albert Haynesworth-type player. So you can complain and complain about the Skins adding and retaining two players that cannot be replicated except by a few players around the league, but the reality is the correct decision was made this offseason (bearing results).

Posted by: psps23 | March 5, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Ok, you got off track there bf, but I'm gonna reel you in.

Harken back to me stating that the 3-4 DE's job is to tie up multiple blockers to let the LB's flow to the play?? Remember that??

Evans was the best out there in your opinion, however people who get paid to know football didn't even think twice about him. Sorry, Igor is younger, bigger, and has much more upside than Evans.

I mean you do realize that Evans isn't an option any longer right?? That ship has sailed, if you catch my drift....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 5, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Actually it was very smart by her, she knows how most of you feed off this crap.

Posted by: Flounder21

don't flounders feed off crap?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 5, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Danny loves making a splash. Vinny was involved with drafting TO. It wouldn't surprise me if they tried to pick Him up.

Posted by: Down777866 | March 5, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Dear Mrs. Jenkins,

You are unsmart. Your column in somehow trying to associate redskins staff and player salary makes no sense. One is employee overhead and the other is investing in the product. It would be like asking why Merck can cut employees while still investing in a drug to cure cancer. Please stop writing for the Post you are embarassing yourself.

Best Regards,

Gweez

Posted by: Gweez | March 5, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Beantown is good peeps. At least he makes sense unlike some others up here who just blurt out namecalling and diaper diving as their first resort.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 5, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Look at the Skins WR's -

If you assume, in any degree, that the red-shirts don't work out, then you got a real problem at the position.

Danny will take a hard look at him at the very least.

Posted by: gdennie | March 5, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Bet it happens as bad as I hope it doesn't.

Posted by: virtueandvice

nothing like a conflicted poster with a conflicted name

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 5, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Glad you get it!!! So true. I would never want the guy here for anything but I can see Snyder and Vinnie boy going for it. With questions about Kelly (potential long term knee problems) and Thomas (work habits/dedication)I'm sure they would consider signing T.O. a temporary quick fix to the WR problem.

Posted by: virtueandvice | March 5, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

I like 2 yrs for T.O with skins..I think skins is not far away from the Bowl. Dan just give the authority to No.30 to control T.O and No.30 say" Don't mess up here..crazie fellow!! otherwise I'm going to break your legs during practice" :)

Posted by: skinsMill | March 5, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Well the Redskins ARE only one player away from winning the Super Bowl, right? (rolls eyes)

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | March 5, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

bf, you are as well, just 2 guys having a discussion.

cl, the only one I suggest holding their breath to is corky...for good reason

I'm not sure what 'diaper diving' is, however I am 100 percent sure that I don't want to know....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 5, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Owens is not coming here, did we go after TO when he was a FA before no, so why would we bother now when he has lost a few steps, and has proven he can't get along with any QB.

Posted by: Flounder21

When TO was a FA before, Gibbs was our coach, GM, etc. That is why we did not go after TO at the time. TOTALLY different story now.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 5, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

down makes an interesting point about Vinny's history with owens

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 5, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

L'nOL about the notion of not re-signing Evans as a "bad idea".

Really now, if debating Jason Taylor is equal to debating Mason, Pierce, and Clark, then debating Evans is equal to those of the likes of Cartwright and Thrash.

Guys who are very expendable, but have the hearts and souls of all 'skins fans.

The team will not miss Evans at all. Phiilp Daniels is a better player anyway and he's back, so why cry over, or for Evans?

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

"Harken back to me stating that the 3-4 DE's job is to tie up multiple blockers to let the LB's flow to the play?? Remember that??"

Si senor. What other than size and age makes you think this guy is the answer?


"Evans was the best out there in your opinion, however people who get paid to know football didn't even think twice about him. Sorry, Igor is younger, bigger, and has much more upside than Evans."


Evans was the best for the Redskins. Not saying he would be prime real estate in free agency. Once again - beside younger and bigger what else makes you think he's the answer. Monty and Gholston are you ng and big. Should we switch them to DE instead?


"I mean you do realize that Evans isn't an option any longer right?? That ship has sailed, if you catch my drift...."

Of course mi amigo. I'm just biotching that's it. I guess I should go change my diaper now - huh?

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 5, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

I would honestly have a hard time continuing to be a Skins fan (almost 40 years now) if they signed TO.

Posted by: RiceandGravy | March 5, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I vote a resounding YES to bringing T.O. to the Skins. Here are my reasons:

1) His talent is unmistakable. He would instantly elevate us to at least NFC Championship contention.

2) We have enough egos/veterans on the squad who would tame T.O. Think he would buck against the likes of a Cornelius Griffin, Phillip Daniels, Randy Thomas, etc.? I think not. They would shut him down in a New York second. As well, I don't think T.O. will come here with that foolishness. We could easily cut him; his talent, though, is worth the risk.

3) T.O. would make paying Dallas back a priority. I would expect BIG games against them. With his talent on offense, and Hayneworth on defense, there's no denying that we would be the team to beat.

4) T.O.'s presence on the team would actually be great for Campbell. At this point, Campbell has no one to throw to - at least anyone that opposing defenses fear. T.O. immediately brings that factor to our offense, which will demostratively help Campbell.

Snyder and T.O.'s agent (Rosenhaus - sp?) have a connection. I believe the Skins will at least entertain this. I sure hope so!

Posted by: mlindsey13 | March 5, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

We all know what happens to a team that TO joins, right?

We've seen TO lift teams to the playoffs and even the NFC Championship game. But in the end his demeanor is a detriment, evident by his team's demise.

I can't believe there are Redskins Fans that are actually contemplating TO. Saying things like Tana could benefit from him. Roy Williams couldn't benefit from TO, what makes you think TANA would?

Truly, the world is coming to an end.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 5, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

No to Brooks and June. Too old. Don't want to take up roster/cap on a one year band-aid when we could develop young talent.

NO to T.O. This does not require further discussion.

Yes to Igor, if Blache likes him. I trust Blache entirely.

DJ Hackett? Hunter Smith?

Otherwise, don't think I'd make a FA signing.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 5, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

don't flounders feed off crap?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 5, 2009 9:37 AM |

I have vowed to not get into any more name calling on here, so yes we feed of crap.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 5, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Roy Williams can't sniff Santana's jock.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 5, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

The good news is signing TO will hasten the end of the Vinny Era

Posted by: alex35332 | March 5, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I want to know who up here would actually buy a TO jersey if he signed with the Skins.

No way in hell you see me with that man's name on the back of my jersey.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 5, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I don't think they will sign him but I won't be surprised if they do.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 5, 2009 8:56 AM

I would be surprised if they don't try very very hard to get it done ... maybe unload ARE if they need to. Doom I say.

The only thing that could stop this locomotive is the answers to the poll question above. Just ask Jim Fassel.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

If Tory Holt is dying to get out of St. Louis, why not make a move for him? He is a much better teammate. Could help tutor some of our younger recievers because he's one of the best route runners this league has ever seen and probably has just as many productive years left as Terrible Terrell. However, if we used 2nd round picks on Kelly and Thomas I'd say lets give them this year to see if there is some improvement. Focus on needs, not wants. Don't kill me too bad guys, this is my first post although I've been getting a kick out of this blog for a very long time.

Posted by: daniel_estepp | March 5, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

bigfish feed off of smaller fish. Like Weezy says - I will eat you alive.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 5, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

"Don't want to take up roster/cap on a one year band-aid when we could develop young talent."

Ryp, you have to be aware that the team is clearly on a 2-year run. Every veteran on the roster is here for the next 2 years, and this is the reason Haynesworth was signed. I'm all for signing young talent, but it must actually be that -- talent. At this point, it's not about developing youngsters for the sake of developing youngsters. If the guy can still play, I don't care whether he's old, as long as he doesn't sign a 7-year contract (as Synder has admittedly learned not to do).

Posted by: psps23 | March 5, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

No to Brooks and June. Too old. Don't want to take up roster/cap on a one year band-aid when we could develop young talent.


Posted by: Rypien11

Vinny needs to win this year. Didn't you get the memo?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 5, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Evans has been on this team for quite awhile, Ryan Clark was only on the team for two years after being picked up from the jints. Evans is what 29? i trust the defensive coaches instinct on this one. Obviously, they feel he is replaceable with a rotation. hes a good guy and i wish him the best but, they obviously haven't seen enough from him in the 4-5 yrs hes been here. JLC will make him Leigh Torrance 2.0 though thats for sure.

Posted by: drewkinnear | March 5, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

When TO was a FA before, Gibbs was our coach, GM, etc. That is why we did not go after TO at the time. TOTALLY different story now.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 5, 2009 9:43 AM |

According to most people up here Gibbs was not really in control.

Then all the FA mistakes made under him could not be attributed to him.

So I don't except your argument, and again Gibbs coached many a player with a worse past then TO.

Gibbs was about winning, he would look away on character issues for the right talent.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 5, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

"If Tory Holt is dying to get out of St. Louis, why not make a move for him?

Posted by: daniel_estepp"

Yep, I agree. I said him and Orlando Pace would be darkhorses to come to the Redskins should they be cut by the Rams (which there's a decent shot of). I think both would be great signings.

Posted by: psps23 | March 5, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MondoTE11 | March 5, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Just say no to adding ANY receivers. We have bigger needs to use that $$ on because we definitely don't have the draft picks to fill em. A good O-line does wonders for any receiver.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 5, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

TO could go to SD

Posted by: drewkinnear | March 5, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

A year ago, maybe even two months ago I would have said heck no!

But, based on recent events it's obvious the patient, intelligent approach will never be embraced by Dan and Vinny.

So....I say why not? We already sold our souls to the devil so go for it. At least it will be entertaining.

Posted by: Jahswim | March 5, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

The best thing for the Redskins would be for T.O. to end up with the Giants. That way he could set back all 3 NFC East rivals in his tumultuous career.

If the Skins sign T.O. Joe Gibbs will roll over in his grave.

Posted by: Sheriff_Gonna_Getcha | March 5, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

"4) T.O.'s presence on the team would actually be great for Campbell. At this point, Campbell has no one to throw to - at least anyone that opposing defenses fear. T.O. immediately brings that factor to our offense, which will demostratively help Campbell."

Couldn't agree with this less.

T.O couldn't get a long with Jeff Garcia, a better QB than Campbell has been to date, Donovan McNabb, a better QB than campbell to date, or Tony Romo, a better QB than Campbell to date.

Campbell struggles with accuracy on his throws, the first few times Campbell overthrows, underthrows, or doesn't look his way - Owens will go spazz mode on Campbell. Campbell already carries himself sometimes as a 'sensitive' person - I don't think he could take Owens constantly in his grill about getting the football.

McNabb, probably the most mentally strong QB that Owens played with coudln't tolerate his BS, what makes you think Campbell can?

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

For the past 25 years, give or take, there has been two templates for offense the WCO and the Coryell wing (never got a good name...)

Torry Holt has never played in WCO. He has spent his entire career in the Coryell/Gibbs/Saunder/Norv style offense.

I still think he can play but he should be on a team that runs that offense.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Firt time poster had some logic. While I don't think Holt would add to much to this team at his age in terms of numbers on the field, I'd take him over TO 100 out of 100 times.

I will buy an Owens jersey if someone else pays for it and I can burn it immediately after. I'd love to see him blackballed out of the league like Bonds was in baseball.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 5, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, one more thing. When T.O. "Lifted the Eagles to the Championship game" he didn't actually play in the Playoffs so I would love to know when the last time a team one a playoff game with him on the roster? Just Say NO. When Campbell can't get him the ball who is going to sit bedside with him while he is trying to off himself with pills. He loves him some him until things aren't going the way he wants them to go. This would be worst then any aquisition we've made in the Danny-Vinny administration. Yes including Adam, Brandon, Deion, Bruce, Taylor, and the list goes on. Atleast those players didn't have a clear history of ruining the teams they played for.

Posted by: daniel_estepp | March 5, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Decent point CL. I think those offenses are so muddled nowadays, it doesn't really make a difference where the origination was from (other than terminology). It's not like the Coryell roots really helped the team transition from Gibbs to Saunders here.

Holt strikes me as a player who's smart enough to make any transition. I wouldn't be too worried about it.

Posted by: psps23 | March 5, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

According to most people up here Gibbs was not really in control.

Then all the FA mistakes made under him could not be attributed to him.

So I don't except your argument, and again Gibbs coached many a player with a worse past then TO.

Gibbs was about winning, he would look away on character issues for the right talent.

Posted by: Flounder21 |

Gibbs 1.0 would look away on character issues but Gibbs 2.0 - not so much. Can't tell you how many times I heard Gibbs stress that character was the main thing he looked for in a player.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 5, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

psp,

I have seen enough of veterns coming to Skins and being asked to change their game late in their careers. Thanks.

No to Holt.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 5, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

REID!!! shut your mouth!!!! don't even mention his name! he is a pox.

Posted by: whughes1 | March 5, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs 1.0 would look away on character issues but Gibbs 2.0 - not so much. Can't tell you how many times I heard Gibbs stress that character was the main thing he looked for in a player.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 5, 2009 10:06 AM |

How did that work out for him?

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 5, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

The Giants "don't want anything to do with" free agent Terrell Owens, according to the Newark Star-Ledger.

Beat writer Mike Garafalo cites "someone familiar with the team's thinking." The Giants could use insurance at split end with Plaxico Burress' trial pending, but it appears they'd rather roll with Sinorice Moss, Domenik Hixon, and Mario Manningham. The other New York club is also denying interest.
Source: Newark Star-Ledger
Related: Giants, Jets

If the Skins feel the same way it needs to come out today!

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | March 5, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder mistakes his need for drama as a love for football. Of course he'll sign Owens. And the chaos that ensues will mesh perfectly with Snyder's disenchantment with Jim Zorn and infatuation for the new new coach.

Posted by: 5tewart | March 5, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

TO to the 'Skins? As a Giant season ticket-holder, I think it is a match made in heaven!! He's already left a wake behind him in Philly and Dallas, why not DC?

Posted by: nygiants40 | March 5, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder is not dumb enough to go after T.O. This shouldn't even be a discussion. But if he does, and he signs T.O, I will officially lose what little faith I have left in Snyder and give up my Redskins season tickets which I waited 12 years to get. No, Ten Thousand Times, NO!!!

Posted by: Franktheskinsfan | March 5, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

come on people! how can this team remain "Raiders East" if we don't make offseason moves like this? TO would fit perfect in Danny's plan to sell Jerseys!

Posted by: Leeguru | March 5, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I would become an ex-Redskin fan if Snyder were to sign TO. I grew up in Texas and was weaned on Dallas Cowboys football - but I quit the Cowboys because of their ownership and personnel character issues - I couldn't stomach them any more. This would be the last straw for me and the Redskins.

Posted by: klcthard | March 5, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I've been a rabid redskins fan my entire life - but if the Skins sign TO, I will permanently renounce my fanhood. I've put up with a lot of bull from Snyder, but bringing on a locker room cancer like TO is the antithesis of what the Redskins should stand for. Let him go to the Raiders or retire - if he's on with the Skins, I'm out...

Posted by: dkovler77 | March 5, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

You got to be kidding, Owens, Moss and Cooley, and Portis.

It should be
1 and 10 Portis
2 and 7 Cooley

1 and ten Moss
2 and ten Portis
3 and 6 Owens
This is the NFL East you know. And one more thing. This is the NFL EAST not the west coast. Dump that west coast offense.

Posted by: garrydawkins | March 5, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Owens played for Dallas...Dallas is like profanity to Redskins Fans.

Posted by: clifton3 | March 5, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I have written this once today, but here is my view on T.O. He is a cancer. I may decide to turne the SKins off if they pick up the P.O.S.

http://cupofjoe-blog.blogspot.com/

Posted by: jp9773 | March 5, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Im all for bringing in TO as long as it doesnt cost us any money. Owens' beef with McNabb did not affect their team on the field. Before Romo imploded this year he did pretty good with the cowgirls the previous season. The redskins have been signing choir boys for the past few years and where has it got us. Owens hasnt been arrested, doesnt have off the field drama. He just has a big mouth. How is that any different from Portis?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 5, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

When I heard the ESPN morning shows even mention the Redskins as a possibility I felt the bile rise to the back of my throat. As a lifelong skins fan...I really do not know how I could root for a team with that man on the roster. As much love as I have for the burgundy and gold, CP, Jason Campbell, LaRon, and everyone else. I really don't know if I could support this move, not that I want to jump ship, I just don't think I could sail at all. I hope he goes to the Texans so he can steal some of Jerry's thunder in Texas!!!! Be smart, Dan and Vinny, avoid this rash, a.k.a. T.O., unless you want the whole organization to be infected!

Posted by: scottefisher | March 5, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Not a snowball's chance in Dan Snyder's hot tub.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 5, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

you've got to be kidding

Posted by: CPortisRun | March 5, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I totally agree with dkolver and scottefisher. I have been a Redskins fan for 50 years and I will turn off my TV next year if they sign that no hands, egomaniac, toxic waste punk.

Posted by: rmcpks73 | March 5, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I thought TO was being a good boy lately. What did he do to deserve this?

Posted by: forgetthis | March 5, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't matter the wide receiver is, Campbell sucks.

Posted by: chris99 | March 5, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

When Dan signs TO and he has the over 1000 yd season like he ALWAYS does, all these haters on here will say it was the best move Vinny ever made. These people on these sites don't have a freakin clue what they are talkin about. A bunch of TO haters as I see it..

Posted by: dwil801 | March 5, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

good god... what a disaster that would be....


Posted by: dmwechs1 | March 5, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dmwechs1
good god... what a disaster that would be....

Why because TO had another good year??
Sounds like another hater to me!!

Posted by: dwil801 | March 5, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

T.O's not going anywhere in the NFC East division. No way he'll go back to Philly, and Jerry waited until the other two teams were out of cap space before he made the release. Didn't nobody notice?

He'll fit well in Oakland.

Posted by: Buck_trend | March 5, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Pray we don't pick up Owens, for Jason Campbell's sake. He will eventually get to him in one way or another, as been the precedence. Dan better be smart enough to realize this, sometimes I wonder if he's learned anything about the importance of team chemistry to a championship team, T.O. always having been a cancer in the locker room, its established, please say no to T.O. On the other hand, I'd take a chance on OchoCinco, who has a reputation as well, but not as bad as T.O., who has repeatedly screwed up second chances.

Posted by: franktiger | March 5, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

T.O's not going anywhere in the NFC East division. No way he'll go back to Philly, and Jerry waited until the other two teams were out of cap space before he made the release. Didn't nobody notice?

He'll fit well in Oakland.

Posted by: Buck_trend | March 5, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

I have 2 words for ya "Tory Holt"

He and Moss would make an amazing combo and teams couldn't double either of them. They young guys aren't ready yet and probably won't be able to be true reliable starters till next year at the earliest.

Posted by: avbanig | March 5, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

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