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Redskins might have circumvented rule

If you thought the Redskins' pair of trades with the St. Louis Rams earlier this week seemed a bit odd, you're not the only one. But there appears to be some method behind the madness -- and perhaps some rule-bending as well.

The NFL Players Association is looking into the trades because it appears the Redskins and Rams might have been circumventing a little-known rule that guarantees any drafted rookie a portion of his contract upon his release, according to an ESPN report.

In the current uncapped year, a team must pay a drafted rookie 85 percent of his first-year minimum-wage $310,000 salary if the team chooses to release the player. But by shipping the rookie to another team and allowing that new team to then release him, the original team doesn't lose any money. And that appears to be what happened this week -- twice.

The Redskins sent tight end Dennis Morris, their sixth-round draft pick, to the Rams. Coach Mike Shanahan said Morris was not going to make Washington's roster. He's still on the Rams' roster, but according to the report, he will not survive Saturday's cuts.

In a separate trade, the Rams sent the Redskins their fifth-round draft pick, linebacker Hall Davis. But the Redskins released Davis on Tuesday after just one practice. According to the ESPN report, Davis will not receive the $272,000 he would have been paid had the Rams simply released him.

The story cited unnamed league and union sources, and the union is apparently monitoring the situation.

Redskins officials were traveling to Arizona today for Thursday night's pre-season game and were not immediately available for comment.

By Rick Maese  |  September 1, 2010; 11:25 AM ET
Categories:  preseason games  
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Comments

Danny being cheap again, shocker!

Posted by: ThatGuy2 | September 1, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Damn, these 2 guys got completely f'd over. Screwed out of 272k in a billion dollar industry.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | September 1, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

So we get Atogwe?

Posted by: Stu27 | September 1, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

St. Louis Rams, not Cardinals

Posted by: mastakush2k | September 1, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Yeah... This isn't cool... The players should still get their money.

Posted by: tony325 | September 1, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like Snyder is still in charge.... Trying to screw the poor guy out his salary so he can use that money to pay Fat Al.... world is not fair...

Posted by: BarackObama | September 1, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

St Louis Cardinals huh JReid? Not once but twice?

Posted by: Kelso4 | September 1, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Hey Skins management, been a skins fan for years, but if this article is true....where is the integrity? Cheating the system will get you know where. Pay these guys what you owe them. The RIGHT thing to do. Contracts and rules dictate your behavior...please don't blemish the integrity of this team, established over the years. Call Joe Gibbs and get his advice on this one. Infact Bruce, what would your Dad do....Pay the guys what you owe them.

Posted by: CROSSHugger | September 1, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Can we still blame Cerrato for stuff like this!

Posted by: joeboggs | September 1, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

St Louis Cardinals is real odd. Is Dave Butz going play Dallas on opening day?

Posted by: tomass169 | September 1, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

For those who don't respect Lavar's 3 pro-bowls, he as also a 2nd team All-Pro selection, twice.

These accomplishments all took place in his first 4 years, before injuries took hold.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 1, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Hey Skins management, been a skins fan for years, but if this article is true....where is the integrity? Cheating the system will get you nowhere. Pay these guys what you owe them. The RIGHT thing to do. Contracts and rules dictate your behavior...please don't blemish the integrity of this team, established over the years. Call Joe Gibbs and get his advice on this one. Infact Bruce, what would your Dad do....Pay the guys what you owe them.

Posted by: CROSSHugger | September 1, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Who knew that the 'Skins would do business with Major League Baseball?!?! C'mon, Mr. Reid, once is understandable, but twice?!?! That's disrepecting football, especially the maroon and black.

Posted by: joedavis7 | September 1, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Snyder must have been at the Glenn Beck rally with the Appalachia low lives that were there....

Posted by: BarackObama | September 1, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Yeah... This isn't cool... The players should still get their money.

Posted by: tony325 | September 1, 2010 11:48 AM

Yeah... Players should always get their money.

Posted by: Albert_Haynesworth | September 1, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

HAHA, ANOTHER SCHEFTER STORY?

Posted by: CarterHutch | September 1, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"Like I said, it's universally accepted that Gregg Williams and Marvin Lewis were both tops of the league in terms of their defensive schemes and neither one thought much of Arrington.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | September 1, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse"

No, it isn't. Acutally, it's closer to universally accepted that Marvin Lewis loved Lavar Arrington and built his defense entirely around Lavar's playmaking ability. That's why, under Marvin Lewis, Lavar Arrington was universally accepted as one of the top 5 LBs in the league, despite his youth.

Even Gregg Williams knew the ability of Arrington was rarely matched, despite their feud. Williams struggled with Arrington because Williams built his defense around Sean Taylor, and Lavar resisted adapting to a secondary role. But when GG built his most powerful defense with the Skins (the 2005 playoff run), Lavar was one of his key playmakers as a starting LB. Or did you forget Lavar's interception against Tampa Bay in the playoffs which he returned to the 6 yard line, resulting in a Portis TD? Or his forced fumble later that game that won us that playoff game (returned by ST21)? Or Lavar's hit on Shaun Alexander in Seattle that knocked Alexander out of the contest in the first quarter?

Of course those plays were forgotten. Because apparently Lavar "cost us more games than he ever won."

Get over it. Lavar earned every bit of praise he had as a Redskin. The man was a playmaker like few others in this league, and he helped carry this defense numerous times to excellent results.

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Danny being cheap again, shocker!

Posted by: ThatGuy2 | September 1, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I'm gonna go ahead and point the finger at Bruce Allen. The guy is a numbers genius, I bet Dan had nothing to do with this.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | September 1, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Bruce Allenstein?

Posted by: BarackObama | September 1, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

For those who don't respect Lavar's 3 pro-bowls, he as also a 2nd team All-Pro selection, twice.

These accomplishments all took place in his first 4 years, before injuries took hold.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 1, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

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Haven't you heard?

This was obviously because Marvin Lewis thought nothing of him.

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Who knew that the 'Skins would do business with Major League Baseball?!?! C'mon, Mr. Reid, once is understandable, but twice?!?! That's disrepecting football, especially the maroon and black.

Posted by: joedavis7 | September 1, 2010 11:50 AM

Looks like you proofread well too. This is from Maese, not Reid.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 1, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Isn't Bruce Allen, Senator Macaca's brother???? haha.. idiot!!!

Posted by: BarackObama | September 1, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Any trade between the Washington Redskins and St. Louis CARDINALS would seem a bit odd. Think we can get Albert Pujols for Albert Haynesworth?... but seriously folks.

This is f'ed up. Pay these guys! When the rules of the uncapped year screwed guys like Rocky McIntosh, people said "Well that's the rules." When the rules are poised to help players, the front office finds a way to cheat the rules.

Posted by: seriesoftubescleaner | September 1, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Allenstein?

Posted by: BarackObama

Isn't Bruce Allen, Senator Macaca's brother???? haha.. idiot!!!

Posted by: BarackObama

Wow Fake BO, thats quite a twofer. Hypocrite much. UFB....

Posted by: chrislarry | September 1, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Alan, since when is pro-bowl selections the deciding factor in greatness?


At my last count other things are thrown in there too when determining one's greatness.

It's been recognized for a while now how much of a joke the pro bowl really is.


Roy f-ing L. Williams has made the pro bowl FIVE freakin' times. London Fletcher has made a grand total of ONE.

The pro bowl isn't anything more than a glorified popularity contest. It's something I don't put too much stock in.

Even all-pro selections are a tad over hyped. Deltha O'Neal was a two time all-pro selection, we're calling him great too?

Posted by: RedDMV | September 1, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

BRUTAL

Posted by: MadeRED | September 1, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

"...the original team doesn't lose any money."

What about the new team then? Lose nothing?

"Circumventing"? Isn't that like cheating?

What does Goodell say about that? Will the NFLPA demand the drafted rookies be paid regardless?

Sounds like a dirty trade made to break the rules.

Seriously, why was this rule here in the first place? What makes the drafted rookies special over the undrafted ones? C'mon.. if anyone don't make the team, they don't get paid!

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 1, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

This is a non-issue...union will look into it, close the loophole, then teams will find another way to do what they do. The circle of life...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 1, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Looks like you proofread well too. This is from Maese, not Reid.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 1, 2010 11:57 AM
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LOL Ryp...i see you still defending JReid..

Posted by: jcnjcnj | September 1, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

What makes the drafted rookies special over the undrafted ones?

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 1, 2010 12:06 PM

Well for one, drafted rookies don't get to choose where they go.

Posted by: PlayAction | September 1, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

That's dirty. Does that imply the other draft picks are likely to remain on the team though? I doubt it.

Funny how some of those calling Danny cheap now don't want him to waste any money paying Kelly this year.

Posted by: AdamCr | September 1, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Re: Rule

Hence why the Skins never had many draft picks over the years and why Cerrato kept all those picks 2 years ago.

Posted by: oh_boy1 | September 1, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

So what? If the Rams release him, the contractual obligation is theirs, right?

Posted by: jboogie1 | September 1, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

So what? If the Rams release him, the contractual obligation is theirs, right?

Posted by: jboogie1 | September 1, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Funny how an owner is cheap for not wanting to pay one rookie while at the same time paying another rookie $30-40 million in guaranteed salary before he's ever played a down.

If only they found a way to settle the disparity.

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Hey, times are hard...and they need to replace a couple LED bulbs in one of the new stadium screens. Cost: $272,000.

Posted by: walkdwalk | September 1, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

"St Louis Cardinals is real odd. Is Dave Butz going play Dallas on opening day?"


No, but Roy Green--a great hybrid player no one talks about anymore--will return punts, play corner, and be in the slot to catch the passes that don't come Terry Metcalf's way.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 1, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

wait wait wait ... you have to guarantee a draft pick money? Over a quarter million?

I'm fine if teams want to circumvent this stupid concept. Players should be paid a decent wage for being in camp, etc. But over a quarter million per guy guaranteed, when most of the guys at the bottom of the roster won't even be on the team ... not a good rule.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 1, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

One way to think about it would be that most if not all “great” players get at least widespread consideration for the HOF. I wouldn’t expect to see Lavar’s name come up in any HOF ballot discussions. Just my 2 cents……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 1, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

@barakobama

Did you attend the rally?

I doubt it, which begs the question how could you possibly denigrate it?

Answer: you cant

Posted by: fpickering | September 1, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

No, but Roy Green--a great hybrid player no one talks about anymore--will return punts, play corner, and be in the slot to catch the passes that don't come Terry Metcalf's way.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 1, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse


Neil Lomax knows how to spread the ball around.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 1, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

No, but Roy Green--a great hybrid player no one talks about anymore--will return punts, play corner, and be in the slot to catch the passes that don't come Terry Metcalf's way.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 1, 2010 12:19 PM

Stump Mitchell is questionable for Thursdays game...that's good for us!

Posted by: PlayAction | September 1, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

We just need to focus on Vai Sikahema

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 1, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Get over it. Lavar earned every bit of praise he had as a Redskin. The man was a playmaker like few others in this league, and he helped carry this defense numerous times to excellent results.

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Not to mention the man mad those 70th aniv. uniforms look slick as snot on a door knob.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 1, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse


please don't blemish the integrity of this team, established over the years.

Posted by: CROSSHugger | September 1, 2010 11:49 AM

I think $nyder has already accomplished that.

Posted by: hessone | September 1, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention the man mad those 70th aniv. uniforms look slicker than snot on a hoe handle.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 1, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse
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You just don't hear that often enough...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | September 1, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse


@BarackObama

Please spare us from your political views, after all, this is a sports board.

Posted by: hessone | September 1, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

The 'Skins front office probably could have gotten away with this if they waited 'til the weekend to cut him. Did they seriously expect that they could get away with this? Serves Danny-boy right for shipping him off after one practice. What's that? Two big rule violations for Danny-boy in eight months?

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 1, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Neil Lomax knows how to spread the ball around.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 1, 2010 12:23 PM

Who's starting...Lomax or Jim Hart? I think Hanifan is playing games with us again so we can't prepare.

Posted by: PlayAction | September 1, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Sure, screw the rookies, so you can overpay the heck out of Albert Worthless.

Posted by: Redskinrex | September 1, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

wait wait wait ... you have to guarantee a draft pick money? Over a quarter million?

I'm fine if teams want to circumvent this stupid concept. Players should be paid a decent wage for being in camp, etc. But over a quarter million per guy guaranteed, when most of the guys at the bottom of the roster won't even be on the team ... not a good rule.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 1, 2010 12:20 PM

I believe this was negotiated ONLY for this year, the capless year.

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 1, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Hes a rookie who didn't make the first cut. Why should he get paid. If your not good enough to make the team, you should get nothing. If I get fired today do you think I'm getting paid 85% of my salary for the year? I think not

Posted by: kbaxter34 | September 1, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Is stokley a free agent?

Posted by: zjenks | September 1, 2010 8:08 AM

Not yet...but he's widely considered on the way out of Denver as part of their on-going youth movement.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 1, 2010 8:31 AM

More like a combo of talent and youth. Amazing so many people are carrying the flag of a sub 6 foot WR that's in his mid 30's that had 19 catches last year. Oh and here's antother thing, he doesn't play teams.

No thanks to him and a return of Marko. Marko never even made it to camp w/ us, that dog won't fish.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 1, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Neil Lomax knows how to spread the ball around.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 1, 2010 12:23 PM

Who's starting...Lomax or Jim Hart? I think Hanifan is playing games with us again so we can't prepare.

Posted by: PlayAction

Neil Lomax, Roy Green, its an old school Tuesday

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 1, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Hes a rookie who didn't make the first cut. Why should he get paid. If your not good enough to make the team, you should get nothing. If I get fired today do you think I'm getting paid 85% of my salary for the year? I think not

Posted by: kbaxter34 | September 1, 2010 12:34 PM

If your employer picked you specifically, and you could not work anywhere else...I would say yes.

Posted by: PlayAction | September 1, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

if i'm reading this right, this "85% guarantee" rule is brand new and applies only to the 2010 draftees, since we are experiencing the first "uncapped" year. in other words, if these two guys get drafted last year, they both get cut and they take home nothing anyway.

so while i do feel it would be TECHNICALLY unfair to davis and morris if this sketchy trade nixed their checks... i won't exactly cry myself to sleep over it. i'm not sure they deserve several hundred thousand bucks each just for getting drafted and then sucking ass in the preseason anyway.

you could argue that the trades took advantage of a loophole, but 1) that's what loopholes are for -- taking advantage of, and 2) the very rule guaranteeing their rookie salaries is basically a loophole in itself in the first place (or at least an anomaly given this year's bizarre setup).

http://twitter.com/BroodingBlog
http://BroodingBurgundy.com

Posted by: bcarothers | September 1, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Neil Lomax, Roy Green, its an old school Tuesday

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 1, 2010 12:36 PM

Please tell me it's not really Tuesday...

Posted by: PlayAction | September 1, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

@BarackObama

Please spare us from your political views, after all, this is a sports board.

Posted by: hessone

So when has that ever stopped us before

Posted by: Predator48 | September 1, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jcnjcnj | September 1, 2010 12:11 PM

That wasn't defending Reid, that was pointing out that the poster was wrong. I don't give a hoot about Reid or Maese or whoever posts.

But if you're going to criticize, at least come correct...

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 1, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

"If your employer picked you specifically, and you could not work anywhere else...I would say yes.

Posted by: PlayAction | September 1, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse"

Would you say the same thing if this man was a top 5 pick with a $60 million contract who's performance in camp justified him being cut based on merit?

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

One way to think about it would be that most if not all “great” players get at least widespread consideration for the HOF. I wouldn’t expect to see Lavar’s name come up in any HOF ballot discussions. Just my 2 cents……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 1, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I think a player can be great for a brief period. LA was a Great college player and had some Great years.

Posted by: Stu27 | September 1, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

"One way to think about it would be that most if not all “great” players get at least widespread consideration for the HOF. I wouldn’t expect to see Lavar’s name come up in any HOF ballot discussions. Just my 2 cents……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 1, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse"

Did you consider Sean Taylor a great player?

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

From PFT:

"UPDATE: A league source tells us that the money wouldn't have gone to Davis, but that it would have gone to the other rookies who made the team, distributed based on the number of downs played by the rookies. So, basically, the Rams may have screwed their rookies other than Hall Davis out of their cut of $272,000."

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 1, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Vai Sikahema! LOL

Posted by: tomass169 | September 1, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

"Here's to good friends,tonight is kinda special,the beer we'll pour must say something more somehow,so tonight let it be Lowenbrau".All this talk about the St.Louis Cardinals and Roy Green got me singing commercials from the 80's.Does Lowenbrau even make beer?

Posted by: smittdiddy | September 1, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse


@BarackObama

Please spare us from your political views, after all, this is a sports board.

Posted by: hessone

So when has that ever stopped us before

Posted by: Predator48 | September 1, 2010 12:40 PM |

It hasn't pred and I agree on freedom of speech. Why not go to the political section of the website and have at it ? Just sayin'

Posted by: hessone | September 1, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Little known Neil Lomax fact -- he had his hip replaced just a year or two after retiring at age 30.

Every year, he was near the top of sacks. Which, when you think about isn't surprising. The defenses he played against had randy white (1st ballot HOF), reggie white (1st ballot HOF), lawrence taylor (1st ballot HOF) and vs the Skins, his main WR guy was up against Darrell Green (1st ballot HOF). From the era, there are 7 1st ballot HOF defensive players (the others are Bruce Smith, Ronnie Lott and Mike Singletary) -- 4 from the Beast. For a few seasons, he played against all 4 of them, 2x per year.

One of the more subtle arguments for Art Monk and the HOF was that the QB NEEDED a good possession WR. The defenses in the Beast had such amazing pass rushers, that the QB had to get rid of the ball quickly.

The stats bear that out. NFC East QBs were often among the leaders in a category you don't want to be in -- most sacks. In 1988, the 3 most sacked QBs were all from the Beast. Lomax himself was in the top 4 in sacks taken for 7 consecutive years.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 1, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV, you're right that Lavar's pro-bowls and All-Pro selections aren't what made him great.

The fact that he was a game-chaging playmaker is what made him great, and that was behind all the honors and awards he earned in a Skins uni.

Over the last 20 years, any Skins player being recognized most definitely isn't winning a popularity contest.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 1, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse


@smittdiddy

I saw Lowenbrau recently at Wegman's. I used to drink it back in the 80's. I remember getting the gold foil in my mouth off the top of the bottle every once in a while.

You who, Mabel, Black Label !

Posted by: hessone | September 1, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

But when GG built his most powerful defense with the Skins (the 2005 playoff run), Lavar was one of his key playmakers as a starting LB. Or did you forget Lavar's interception against Tampa Bay in the playoffs which he returned to the 6 yard line, resulting in a Portis TD? Or his forced fumble later that game that won us that playoff game (returned by ST21)? Or Lavar's hit on Shaun Alexander in Seattle that knocked Alexander out of the contest in the first quarter?

Of course those plays were forgotten. Because apparently Lavar "cost us more games than he ever won."

Get over it. Lavar earned every bit of praise he had as a Redskin. The man was a playmaker like few others in this league, and he helped carry this defense numerous times to excellent results.

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2010 11:50 AM

Ehhh....That all happened at the end of a season where GW basically had him on the bench all season long. He only got in towards the POs. Yeah he returned the INT to the 6, but he started at like the 10.

He didn't play because he didn't know the playbook like GW wanted. And he freelanced, which GW didn't want him to do.

That being said, the Contract dispute ruined him. He was good before then.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 1, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV, you're right that Lavar's pro-bowls and All-Pro selections aren't what made him great.

The fact that he was a game-chaging playmaker is what made him great, and that was behind all the many honors and awards he earned in a Skins uni and at Penn State.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 1, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV, you're right that Lavar's pro-bowls and All-Pro selections aren't what made him great.

The fact that he was a game-chaging playmaker is what made him great, and that was behind all the many honors and awards he earned in a Skins uni and at Penn State.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 1, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

"If your employer picked you specifically, and you could not work anywhere else...I would say yes.

Posted by: PlayAction | September 1, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse"

Would you say the same thing if this man was a top 5 pick with a $60 million contract who's performance in camp justified him being cut based on merit?

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2010 12:42 PM

Sounds like someone made a really bad pick in that case!

Posted by: PlayAction | September 1, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 1, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse"
Did you consider Sean Taylor a great player?
Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2010 12:44 PM

Yes and no. He was approaching great when his season ended in 07. Had he continued to play that way consistently then yes, I would have said he was great. He had great ability from the start, but was just turning that into playing “great” on the field. He was a hard core beast for sure, and I loved that he played for the skins, but wouldn’t say he had a great career except for 07.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 1, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Looks like you proofread well too. This is from Maese, not Reid.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 1, 2010 11:57 AM
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I see that now. The big picture of Jason Reid and the big "by Jason Reid" at the top threw me.

Posted by: joedavis7 | September 1, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

No, it isn't. Acutally, it's closer to universally accepted that Marvin Lewis loved Lavar Arrington and built his defense entirely around Lavar's playmaking ability. That's why, under Marvin Lewis, Lavar Arrington was universally accepted as one of the top 5 LBs in the league, despite his youth.

Even Gregg Williams knew the ability of Arrington was rarely matched, despite their feud. Williams struggled with Arrington because Williams built his defense around Sean Taylor, and Lavar resisted adapting to a secondary role. But when GG built his most powerful defense with the Skins (the 2005 playoff run), Lavar was one of his key playmakers as a starting LB. Or did you forget Lavar's interception against Tampa Bay in the playoffs which he returned to the 6 yard line, resulting in a Portis TD? Or his forced fumble later that game that won us that playoff game (returned by ST21)? Or Lavar's hit on Shaun Alexander in Seattle that knocked Alexander out of the contest in the first quarter?

Of course those plays were forgotten. Because apparently Lavar "cost us more games than he ever won."

Get over it. Lavar earned every bit of praise he had as a Redskin. The man was a playmaker like few others in this league, and he helped carry this defense numerous times to excellent results.

Posted by: psps2
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Right On, G'd/a/m/m/i/t!

How soon they forget.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 1, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Looks like you proofread well too. This is from Maese, not Reid.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 1, 2010 11:57 AM
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I see that now. The big picture of Jason Reid and the big "by Jason Reid" at the top threw me.

Posted by: joedavis7 | September 1, 2010 1:00 PM

Hahaha

Posted by: PlayAction | September 1, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Hes a rookie who didn't make the first cut. Why should he get paid. If your not good enough to make the team, you should get nothing. If I get fired today do you think I'm getting paid 85% of my salary for the year? I think not

Posted by: kbaxter34 | September 1, 2010 12:34 PM

kbaxter, this is simple. do you work for an industry that has a collective bargaining agreement explicitly stating that you get 85% of your salary should you be fired under these conditions? if so, you would be pretty upset as well if your employer played games and found a way not to pay you. if not, you don't get to complain.

Posted by: DreamOutLoud | September 1, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I love these comments re "Snyder being cheap again." WTF are you talking about? Snyder is notorious for overspending on busts. This deal here comes as a refreshing indication that Allen is focused on making sensible deals - perhaps in some cases a bit aggressively. I like this.

Posted by: Reader1000 | September 1, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Allen is a Republican. This is bad karma...

Posted by: bigfoot1 | September 1, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

That wasn't defending Reid, that was pointing out that the poster was wrong. I don't give a hoot about Reid or Maese or whoever posts.

But if you're going to criticize, at least come correct...

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 1, 2010 12:40 PM
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I wasn't critizing you Ryp..i was just reaching out..saying hello..welcoming you back for another season...I'll start the critical stuff later...after week 1..or the 1st lost when JReid writes something stupid as he usually does and then you come and justify it...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | September 1, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

HAhahaha...
""UPDATE: A league source tells us that the money wouldn't have gone to Davis, but that it would have gone to the other rookies who made the team, distributed based on the number of downs played by the rookies. So, basically, the Rams may have screwed their rookies other than Hall Davis out of their cut of $272,000."

Since when did the NFL become the USSR? Next I suppose rookies will be evaluated on "norms"...

Some Tuesday during the season. Bruce Allen is speaking: "Trent! Your norm was 3 pancake blocks this week, and you only had 1! You also allowed 1 sack and your norm is ZERO! Stand up and criticize your performance in front of the team."

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 1, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Danny being Danny... I heard a rumor he was raising parking to $60 if the Skins beat the Cowboys :)

Posted by: terptek | September 1, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Lavar is easily one ot he top 5 Skins (and one of the most decorted) of the past decade.

I challenge anyone to build a list of 5 Skins players who accomplished more FOR THE TEAM in the past decade... no Jason Taylors or Albert Haynesworths who built their careers somewhere else and didn't do it in a Skins uni.

I'll help you get started:
Darrell Green
Chris Samuels...

Posted by: Alan4 | September 1, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Neil Lomax knows how to spread the ball around.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 1, 2010 12:23 PM

Who's starting...Lomax or Jim Hart? I think Hanifan is playing games with us again so we can't prepare.

Posted by: PlayAction

Neil Lomax, Roy Green, its an old school Tuesday

Posted by: zcezcest1
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LMBO-Now THESE are fans! We all miss being teenagers and young'uns huh?

Well, we had better watch out for Chuck Cecil,but Hart to Roy Green was a real nuisance, Roy gives Darrell a hard way to go.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 1, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Danny being Danny... I heard a rumor he was raising parking to $60 if the Skins beat the Cowboys :)

Posted by: terptek | September 1, 2010 1:11 PM

What do you mean IF they beat the Cowboys?

Posted by: PlayAction | September 1, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Lavar is easily one ot he top 5 Skins (and one of the most decorted) of the past decade.

I challenge anyone to build a list of 5 Skins players who accomplished more FOR THE TEAM in the past decade... no Jason Taylors or Albert Haynesworths who built their careers somewhere else and didn't do it in a Skins uni.

I'll help you get started:
Darrell Green
Chris Samuels...

Posted by: Alan4
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Uh, Jon Jansen. That's all I got.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 1, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I say Lavar would have been the beast that we all know he should've been had MartyBall not been cut short by Synder

Posted by: jcnjcnj | September 1, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

that is dirty... the union should go after the Redskins and Rams.

Posted by: cedric_lockhart | September 1, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

I gotta say....

Thats brilliant.

Way to go Shanallen!!!

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!!

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | September 1, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I gotta say....

Thats brilliant.

Way to go Shanallen!!!

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!!

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | September 1, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse


beep

Posted by: hessone | September 1, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

They league should fine Snyder the same amount he paid for Haynsworth. This is really a, "low life move", but not anything that is below the owner of the Redskins!

Posted by: goslin57 | September 1, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

This is like shooting fish in a frikkin barrel..

Clinton Portis
Sean Taylor
Jon Jansen

There's 5. I'd argue that London Fletcher, in his 3 years with the Redskins, has had more impact on the defense than Arrington did.

LA was a very good athlete, with some weaknesses as a football player. The main weakness that I saw was that he could not beat blocks. If you schemed him and got him a free, he was deadly. Get an OL on him and he was out of the play.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 1, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I'll help you get started:
Darrell Green
Chris Samuels..

And I'll add:

Stephen Davis
Jon Jansen
Clinton Portis


No Lavar Arrington in my fav5, sorry....

Posted by: RedDMV | September 1, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

WHy are you people boohooing these cut players.....there are no guarantees in life.

THE NFL IS A BUSINESS....and costs must be kept under control for you to boohoo these moves makes you either ignorant or a sucker.

Under the old regime...sure they'd pay him....but considering he was going to get cut...THATS WASTED MONEY.

Don't you think that moolah should goto someone actually on the team??

Blah blah blah....the redskins and rams did no wrong. They knew the rules better than others and moved on. Some would call that being SAVVY & SMART...and I'd agree.

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | September 1, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

DC 70's commercial...


Nobody bodder me!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7PEMGuA6tw

RE "Here's to good friends,tonight is kinda special,the beer we'll pour must say something more somehow,so tonight let it be Lowenbrau".All this talk about the St.Louis Cardinals and Roy Green got me singing commercials from the 80's.Does Lowenbrau even make beer?

Posted by: tomass169 | September 1, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

During a time when Danny Boy is sooo desperate for some GOOD publicity he does something like this! What a jerk! Jerry Jones must be loving this.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | September 1, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Redskins are not the only team who are using these antics... There are several NFL teams doing this, including Patriots...

Why pay someone who is not going to be on your team?

Posted by: capitolteacher | September 1, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Can the Redskins go an entire season without doing something really sleazy and producing a boatload of bad will?

Last year when the Post reported that they were screwing fans on the season ticket waiting list and suing elderly fans out of their homes when they couldn't afford their long term ticket deals (even though they easily resold the tickets to others), Wilbon predicted that the ill will from this sleazy behavior would cost them games. I'd say his prediction was validated.

I think both teams end up paying their draft picks. But the ill will remains hanging in the air.


Posted by: dcc1968 | September 1, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

If true it's totally chickensh*t way of doing buisines.New boss same as the old boss?

Posted by: tomb4 | September 1, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

The commissioner should step in and send a strong message to the rest of the league that these types of shenanigans won't be tolerated. The Rams and Redskins should be forced to pay Davis and Morris and forfeit their 6th round pick in next year's draft.

Posted by: coparker5 | September 1, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I forgot about Stephen Davis. Nice choice.

"I'd argue that London Fletcher, in his 3 years with the Redskins, has had more impact on the defense than Arrington did."


And I'd definitely challenge you. Fletch is workmanlike, steady. Right place, right time.

But Lavar was a game-changer, with the physical skills to take risks. He altered the game because he put the hurt on players... one of the hardest hits I ever saw Emmitt Smith take came courtesy of Lavar. Can't say I've seen Fletcher deliver the slobber-knockers like Lavar that put fear in the offense.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 1, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Is this a step up or a step down from suing widows over season tickets?

Dan Snyder has no sense of honor.

Only a bunch of losers would play for him.

Posted by: JCM-51 | September 1, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I think that you'll see Davis on the 'Skins' practice squad, so he'll get at least some of that money.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | September 1, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Isn't Bruce Allen, Senator Macaca's brother????
Posted by: BarackObama

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Let's see, two "little guys" get screwed so some rich guys can keep more of their money. Standard GOP policy runs deep in this family.

Posted by: nonsensical2001 | September 1, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

The union is "monitoring the situation?" LOL WTF does that mean? The deals are over and done with. The union left a hole big enough to drive a Hummer through. Guess what? The Redskins drove through it. Their bad. I'm not sure why a guy who couldn't make the team deserves 85% of his salary anyway. Over three hundred large to go home and play Madden? Why? Go get a job like everyone else.

Posted by: sonny2 | September 1, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

i don't think you can blame anybody in particular: trading and cutting are "favors" teams perform for each other all the time. it's called "business." business is why the owners want an 18-game season: they believe the last two preseason games should be treated as regular season. never mind the additional injuries that WILL occur: "F it: let's git dis money while the gittins good..." There is little or no honor among these guys.

Posted by: dcjazzman | September 1, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

What about Champ? He was only here 4 years this decade but was the best corner in football at the time.

Posted by: withoutanet | September 1, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Looks like danny boy must have vetted Shanahan's ethics before hiring him and liked what he saw. If the NFLPA lets this one slide, there still as useless as ever.

Posted by: tyronekerry | September 1, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

That's just shameful. Trying to screw 2 rookies out of $200,000 is just despicable.

Posted by: tundey | September 1, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: jtynoble | September 1, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Based on my reading of the actual rule, it just to clarify based on the language of the rule, it seems like the 2 rookies (davis and morris) are not missing out on the money, but the other rookies that actually make the team stand to take a cut of the 85% based on their playing time this year.

at any rate, i'm not sure that they fully circumvented it...but Davis and Morris themselves were not the players who actually stand to lose that money, it's the rookies that make the roster and play that are entitled to a pro rata share of 85% of the salary of any drafted player that gets cut (since it's an uncapped year).

Posted by: bacaje | September 2, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

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