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Trent Williams growing more comfortable each day

Retired Pro Bowler Chris Samuels has publicly expressed excitement about the development of rookie left tackle Trent Williams, who occupies Samuels's former position. And Samuels has told teammates privately that Williams could soon become a top-notch lineman.

"Chris told me, 'Man, anything you would want in a tackle, he has it,'" said wide receiver Malcolm Kelly, who also was among Williams's teammates in high school and in college at Oklahoma. "He said that if he works, he's going to be as good as he wants to be. ... It says a lot about him."

After organized team activities Wednesday at Redskins Park, Williams, the fourth overall pick in the April draft, worked individually on field-goal blocking with special teams coordinator Danny Smith. Williams is steadily becoming more comfortable with the Redskins' zone blocking scheme and the speed of the NFL, teammates said, and having Samuels's support has helped his transition.

"Obviously, it makes me feel good inside, just knowing that they have confidence like that in me," Williams said. "Chris, being around the game a long time, six-time Pro Bowler, he's probably one of the best tackles to come through Washington in a long time. Just hearing that from him, and I lean on him for a lot of advice on and off the field, so Chris has been a great mentor for me."

On his first play as a Redskin, Williams remained in his stance after the ball was snapped while the other linemen were already blocking. He took some good-natured jabs from teammates, but said he's "almost close to being off sides now.

"That was embarrassing. I've [come] a long way. It's still a long way to go, but I feel like I'm right where I need to be," he said.

Williams said he appreciates the support he has received from the organization. "I'm getting good feedback from the coaches," he said. "It's a day-to-day process, but I feel it's going real good.

"I've been improving every day, week by week, just as I get comfortable with the offense. It's looking very positive right now. When I know what I'm doing, I trust my technique.

Of course, the speed of the league often makes players feel uncomfortable. "It's definitely different. The game's a lot faster," Williams said. "You've got to learn to be a pro real quick. You've got to do a lot of stuff on your own to keep your progress going."

"We're professionals out here," he added. "They're not going to stay on you to do every little thing. That's probably the biggest change. I feel like I'm adapting pretty well."

In April, Jerry Schmidt, the University of Oklahoma's director of sports enhancement, told Rick Maese that Williams, in his opinion, did not apply himself in the weight room as much as he should have during his standout career with the Sooners.

"He's one of those guys, he's definitely not a gym rat. If he was, there wouldn't be anybody even close to him," Schmidt said at the time. "If he really committed himself, it wouldn't even be close. He'd be the best ever. That's how much talent he's got. There's a lot of talent there that he just hasn't tapped."

Williams was unfazed by his former coach's comments, he said. "I wasn't really worried about what that coach had to say. What he had to say really wasn't important to me. I mean, obviously, it wasn't important to Washington, either. You going to always have people who got their opinions. Obviously, what he was saying didn't match up to what was being produced on the field. And that's why I went where I went."

By Jason Reid  |  June 3, 2010; 10:03 AM ET
 
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good stuff, glad to see the rook is coming along.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 3, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

JR, quit hiding behind 'Washington Post editors' and come out and take your beating like a man!

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 3, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I think the McNabb short term QB "fix" was made for the same reason Larry Johnson, Galloway, Wade, and other NFL geezers were signed. Because Shanahan knows that with an amateur owner like Snyder, you may not get a second season.

Posted by: TheCork | June 3, 2010 10:11 AM


Lame...McNabb is the only guy on that list who is a lock to start. The other guys probably won't even make the team.

Let me know when you come around to the reality that not drafting every single player you acquire doesn't equal business as usual. Using FA isn't what's ailed the Redskins, it's not using it PROPERLY that has.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I hope Trent Williams comes out year one like Ryan Clady and Jake Long.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 3, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I admit that I still want Haynesworth on the team. He is a monster on the field...when he's on it...


Posted by: Original_etrod |

What about in the locker room? You've been working your azz off for weeks, learning plays, in the heat, getting to know the coaches and system, and your new teammates.

Then, when he'd lose money by not showing, the fat guy who's been "working out on his own" and makes more money than all of your shows up and takes the spotlight.

Can't be good for team unity. Just can't.

Best they can hope for is hate and envy driven team where talent level overcomes lack of cohesion and team spirit. Long shot.

That's not pessimism. That's just history.

Posted by: TheCork | June 3, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I think the McNabb short term QB "fix" was made for the same reason Larry Johnson, Galloway, Wade, and other NFL geezers were signed. Because Shanahan knows that with an amateur owner like Snyder, you may not get a second season.

Posted by: TheCork | June 3, 2010 10:11 AM


Lame...McNabb is the only guy on that list who is a lock to start. The other guys probably won't even make the team.

Let me know when you come around to the reality that not drafting every single player you acquire doesn't equal business as usual. Using FA isn't what's ailed the Redskins, it's not using it PROPERLY that has.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

After reading that last quote, you can now cue the Trent Williams haters.

I still would like to hear among coaches, current players, AND former players that he's doing an excellent job at adapting to the NFL and he's doing everything that should be expected of a professional.

That would also include hitting the weight room on the reg, it can't hurt.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 3, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I don't want to raise the spirits of bad luck and cynicism, but, who replaces Williams should he be injured and how worried should we be if that happens? For me, there is a dark scary place in the back of my mind where I don't linger because Stephon Heyer is the left tackle in that place and I am the human tackle dummy... er, I mean quarterback.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 3, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Wrong answer: "Obviously, what he was saying didn't match up to what was being produced on the field."

Right answer: "Yeah, I could have worked harder, but I'm doing that now because I'm the only thing standing between Demarcus Ware and another 4 - 12 season"

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | June 3, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

After reading that last quote, you can now cue the Trent Williams haters.

I still would like to hear among coaches, current players, AND former players that he's doing an excellent job at adapting to the NFL and he's doing everything that should be expected of a professional.

That would also include hitting the weight room on the reg, it can't hurt.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 3, 2010 10:22 AM
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Hitting the weight room? Didn't they make HGH so you don't have to do that? Oh, wait a minute, the kid played at Oklahoma, not Miami... yes, he needs to hit the weight room.

Seriously, though, isn't it good to hear about Samuels mentoring him? I love the idea of that kind of continuity. Hope the coaching gig works out for Samuels because he is the kind of guy the team could stand to have around the players.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 3, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I'm kinda a late, but I just want to say to all those who wanted to keep Parker over Larry Johnson:

Told ya so...


Willie Parker: Willie Parker lacking burst

According to Comcast SportsNet Washington, Willie Parker has shown little burst on the Redskins' practice field at OTAs.

"He probably looks a lot like he did the last two years in Pittsburgh when he averaged 3.8 yards a carry," said Comcast's Rich Tandler. Tandler predicts that Parker won't make the final roster, and that Ryan Torain is likely to be No. 3 behind Clinton Portis and Larry Johnson. These are damning words for Parker, who may be on the brink of falling out of the league if cut.


The Parker signing made zero sense from day one. This observation by Tandler only validates my sentiment.

If they wanted to sign Westbrook, then I'm all for that. If they wanted to just go ahead and roll with Shanahan's boy, Torain, then I'm cool with that too...

Posted by: RedDMV | June 3, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Hey mattsoundworld - how did Vegas treat you?

I finished top 25% in tourney but didn't make money. Was card dead all day. Still fun.

Was winning otherwise until the last night when I got whooped everywhere... still only ended up down like $100 for whole trip... not too bad.

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 3, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Right on the money, BrooklynSkins...

Williams sounds like he's not willing to hear the real message from his old coach..."work out like a beast and become legendary"

Instead, his attitude reminds me of my teenaged son, "I don't need to do that. I was already picked at number 4, so I must be great just the way I am. This older guy with a lifetime's worth of football experience doesn't know more than me...I'm THE MAN!!"

If this remains true, look for a short, injury-riddled, disappointing career.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | June 3, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Silverback will be alright, good to hear he's putting in the work. Put his locker on the other side of the room from AH...

If Fast Willie Parker isn't fast anymore, then he's just Willie Parker...

Brownie, why don't you click your heels three times and send yourself back to Africa...

...I'm the biggest hater and I'm out.

Posted by: p1funk | June 3, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

If they wanted to sign Westbrook, then I'm all for that. If they wanted to just go ahead and roll with Shanahan's boy, Torain, then I'm cool with that too...

Posted by: RedDMV | June 3, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

With you on that one, but I still see CP having a ridonkulous year.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 3, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Red, who wanted Parker over Johnson? I haven't seen that up here...which is surprising because it would be completely retarded to keep a guy who is basically a poor man's Clinton Portis on a team that already has Clinton Portis.

Don't necessarily want Johnson either. My dream RB depth chart (by 2010 standards, at least) would be in this order:

Portis
Westbrook
Torain

I hate that all 3 are coming off injuries, but in this system we could pull guys off the street to run it well. They're all stopgaps for whomever we draft in 2011 anyway.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

That would also include hitting the weight room on the reg, it can't hurt.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 3, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse
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I think the overlooked aspect of student athletes is that they actually shouldn't completely throw themselves into the athlete role at the expense of the student role. I'm sure anyone who has taken college coursework while working can understand not simultaneously being a gym rat.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 3, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

"If Fast Willie Parker isn't fast anymore, then he's just Willie Parker..."

If he's not fast anymore, then he'll quickly leave the league.

And it makes you wonder how a guy who hasn't had a lot of carries could lose speed/burst given the lack of wear and tear on his body.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 3, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

How cool is it to have someone as a High School, College, and Pro teamate.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 3, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Brownie, why don't you click your heels three times and send yourself back to Africa...

...I'm the biggest hater and I'm out.

Posted by: p1funk | June 3, 2010 10:42 AM


LOL...love that skit, dude. The biggest crime ever is that Chappelle Show only lasted 2 1/2 seasons...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

The Parker signing made zero sense from day one. This observation by Tandler only validates my sentiment.

If they wanted to sign Westbrook, then I'm all for that. If they wanted to just go ahead and roll with Shanahan's boy, Torain, then I'm cool with that too...

Posted by: RedDMV | June 3, 2010 10:35 AM |

Well I think signing Parker made sense in that the theory seems to be let's throw as many old ass running backs against the wall and see which ones stick. Doesn't hurt to give him a shot and if he doesn't have it anymore (and it is beginning to seem that way) than see ya later.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 3, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

TW will be fine. He has CS60 and Shanny coaching him. If theres any further motivation needed, Im sure D Ware beating him around the edge for a sack will push him. I wouldnt mind him hitting the weights though. Being a big strong gorilla didnt hurt the careers of J Ogden or Larry Allen.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | June 3, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

For those fretting over the above comments by Trent Williams...give this a little thought. The guy made the comments about him wasn't a coach, he was the "director of sports enhancement"...whatever the f*ck that is. Sounds to me like a fancy title for the guy who sprays the water in the players' mouths during timeouts. Williams has some of the best and most credible coaches in the profession at his disposal this year and has solid old pros helping him along like Casey Rabach and Chris Samuels. If he can't thrive in this atmosphere, he just ain't pro material...and I very seriously doubt that'll be the case.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

LOL...love that skit, dude. The biggest crime ever is that Chappelle Show only lasted 2 1/2 seasons...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 10:49 AM |

Friday Night Sissy Fights still makes me cry in laughter.

The Race Draft

And 1 bowling/baseball

World Series of Dice

WacArnold's

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 3, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Hey mattsoundworld - how did Vegas treat you?

I finished top 25% in tourney but didn't make money. Was card dead all day. Still fun.

Was winning otherwise until the last night when I got whooped everywhere... still only ended up down like $100 for whole trip... not too bad.

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 3, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse
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I didn't gamble and I ended up like $900 down over two days! Weather was beautiful, but the Wynn was Packed with a capital P. I would never go back on a big weekend again.

Places which usually don't have a cover (Studio 54, MGM Grand) had a $30 head charge, places which do have a cover (XS, Encore) jacked it up to ($100 per guy, $20 girl).

One of the guys with us did get a picture of a girl walking down the strip with just a shirt on at 11:30 AM. Literally, just a shirt... completely bare-arsed. Not even flip flops to complement the look.

Got to do everything I wanted to do thoguh:
- one good morning at the pool before it was mobbed
- a $30 smoke at Casa Fuente
- a visit to a decent Steakhouse (Switch)
- an all nighter (well, to 5:30 AM anyway)
- the best Margarita (La Salsa Cantina, PH)
- and $15 in the slots (my first real gambling, lasted about 30 seconds. Like first sex, actually)

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 3, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

The Parker signing made zero sense from day one. This observation by Tandler only validates my sentiment.

If they wanted to sign Westbrook, then I'm all for that. If they wanted to just go ahead and roll with Shanahan's boy, Torain, then I'm cool with that too...

Posted by: RedDMV | June 3, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse
___________

I agree with your sentiment about Willie Parker - it didn't seem to me that he had anything left; however, I was okay with signing him to a one year deal. Let him come in and try to prove himself. If he can't, bye bye. Same thing with Westbrook, although, according to what at least one of my medical professional buddies (who certainly has not examined Westbrook) say, he's one hit - any hit, not just a Sean Taylor-special (RIP) - away from a worse concussion and mandatory retirement.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | June 3, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

brown, I'll keep the name(s) to myself, but there was one blogga that was steady pimpin' Willie Parker. Not there was anything wrong with that.

Parker is done, was done, and has been done. Couldn't get carries at 100% with a backfield consisting of Rashard Mendenhall and Mewelde Moore.

scamp, if the thought around the league is that Parker is done, and you have proof of that (game tape, couldn't get carries when healthy), then why even bother in the first place? He didn't bring anything to the table that Portis or LJ can't do. Parker's game was based on speed, and that's now gone.

At least with Westbrook you have a certified 3rd down back. Larry Johnson can give you carries in short yardage situations and to spell Portis.


'Skins are signing RBs like it's two-zero-zero-five, but I'd be alright with:

Portis
Johnson
Westbrook


Neither of them has the same game.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 3, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

What about in the locker room? You've been working your azz off for weeks, learning plays, in the heat, getting to know the coaches and system, and your new teammates.

Then, when he'd lose money by not showing, the fat guy who's been "working out on his own" and makes more money than all of your shows up and takes the spotlight.

Can't be good for team unity. Just can't.

Best they can hope for is hate and envy driven team where talent level overcomes lack of cohesion and team spirit. Long shot.

That's not pessimism. That's just history.

Posted by: TheCork | June 3, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse


Valid point about the locker room but I'm not in the locker room, I'm a fan.

As a fan I want to see a guy come out and kick ass when he's on the field.

Haynesworth did that.

Regardless of contracts, oxygen masks, practice habits, strippers or whatever else you can throw out there as haterade, Big Al was our best defensive lineman last year. He will also be our best defensive lineman this year.

Call me a third nut but I believe he is working out on his own and he will come back in great shape. The fact that he came in to tell Shanahan in person that he is working on his own speaks volumes (to me at least).

He acknowledged that he was not in great shape last year and vowed to work with his personal trainer that helped him dominate on '07 and '08. He has not been dishonest in any way since he came here so why should he lie about that?

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until I see otherwise.

That said, I could certainly do without the soap opera BS but that is more driven by the media than anyone else.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 3, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Johnson
Tourain
Westbrook

Move Portis to fullback? ;)

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 3, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I think Mr. Moe can do a lot with this News clip I saw:

Porn actor sought in fatal attack at LA studio

Police searched Wednesday for a porn actor suspected of killing one colleague and injuring two others with a sword that was used as a movie prop at a Los Angeles production studio where the suspect had been living.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 3, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

scamp, if the thought around the league is that Parker is done, and you have proof of that (game tape, couldn't get carries when healthy), then why even bother in the first place? He didn't bring anything to the table that Portis or LJ can't do. Parker's game was based on speed, and that's now gone.

At least with Westbrook you have a certified 3rd down back. Larry Johnson can give you carries in short yardage situations and to spell Portis.


'Skins are signing RBs like it's two-zero-zero-five, but I'd be alright with:

Portis
Johnson
Westbrook


Neither of them has the same game.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 3, 2010 11:13 AM

I'm down with the LJ, Portis, Westbrook thing. All I'm sayin' is why not take a look? Just because the league seems to think one thing doesn't mean I don't find out for myself. Especially with so many extra spaces on a roster. Doesn't hurt to let Portis know there is someone else to look at either. For the record, I was not a Willie Parker apostle at any point.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 3, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1282647/US-cage-fighter-Jarrod-Wyatt-rips-training-partner-Taylor-Powells-heart.html#ixzz0phdzSNcm

"Wyatt allegedly told police he had drunk a cup of tea spiked with hallucinogenic mushrooms and became convinced Powell was possessed."

Chianti and fava beans.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 3, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Etrod - Call me the 4th nut....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 3, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I would like to have heard Williams take a different approach in his response to his college strength and conditioning coach's assessment of his lifting habits too. It would've shown more maturity to realize that, far from being a slam on him, it was just an honest take on what he viewed Williams' committment to be and a statement about how talented he thought the young man is. However, that is a lot to expect from someone so young. I think he was a great pick and that, in a few years, he will see it as the constructive criticism it was meant to be.
But, and this is what should be exciting to fans, how great is it that he's as good as he is WITH room to improve?? If he was good enough to be the 4th pick, but was a total gym rat that has maxed out on strength training, we would have a far less exciting prospect at left tackle. Can't wait to watch him develop.

Posted by: MColeman51 | June 3, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

LOL 4th...I saw a story on the news this morning that a chick in Omaha is running a maid service where the maids will actually clean your house naked. I can't believe that in 2010 this is the first anybody's doing this...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

True, bringing him in for a look doesn't hurt or cost anything.


But while we're on that, mine as well bring in Terrell Owens also, just sayin' for look and see purposes... But someone told me that T.O. is looking for 5 mil per.

He can't be seriously expecting that, can he?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 3, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

someone told me that T.O. is looking for 5 mil per.

He can't be seriously expecting that, can he?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 3, 2010 11:31 AM


Yes he can.

It's a shade less than what he got from Buffalo last year and, quite frankly, TO doesn't live in a place we call reality. If he did, we'd be sizing him up for a gold jacket and a spot in Canton instead of discussing his enormous combination of drama and baggage.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see us kick his tires if Moss gets suspended and Thomas and/or Kelly aren't showing anything in training camp.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

"...who wanted Parker over Johnson? I haven't seen that up here..."

I, for one, thought a Parker/Portis backfield made sense as I think two similar backs take away a key for the defense.

When you bring in a big back as a substitute for a speed back, the defense counters with an extra lineman or plays a safety in the box figuring it's smashmouth time.

This is how teams have played the jints/cowboys when B Jacobs/M Barber came onto the field.

The big 6'0 230 pound back is a dinosaur in today's NFL.

Plus, a big back needs 20-25 carries to be effective, and in a passing league, that just doesn't happen anymore.

Substituting two speed backs who can catch the ball out of the backfield robs a defense of that key.

I like how the saints sub in R Bush for P Thomas: two similar backs, but yet different in how they are used.

R Brown and R Williams are similar, but the dolphins use one in wildcat, the other in a speed/trap game that's hard to stop.

R Rice and W Magahee are similar, but with the ravens solid o-line, that really isn't even an issue as there are holes all over the place for them to run through.

The vikes will use the extremely versitile P Harvin and A Peterson in some kind of running back tandem that'll bet about one guy's speed and the other guy's power.

That's why I thought Parker/Portis made sense: you can hide your intentions for a play as each back kinda does the same thing, but could be used differently.

But if Parker has lost a step, well, maybe he can make space for Williams or Trainon the roster.


Posted by: MistaMoe | June 3, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Porn actor sought in fatal attack at LA studio

Police searched Wednesday for a porn actor suspected of killing one colleague and injuring two others with a sword that was used as a movie prop at a Los Angeles production studio where the suspect had been living.


What was it? A "300" parody where a chick has sex with 300 guys or the movie has 300 scenes? A porn tale told on an epic scale?

I think they now have a porn parody for every TV show from the last 30 years.


They did 'Good Times' for F's sakes...

Posted by: RedDMV | June 3, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

T.O. is worth $5Mil...def....jersey sales plus media hype plus the team would get more primetime exposure, such as....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 3, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Still the funniest skit ever..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtqqMchhUkw&NR=1

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 3, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 3, 2010 11:09 AM

Sounds like a good trip!

Caesar's pool was awesome. We didn't venture into the topless one, but we did hear Snoop and Shaggy performing in there. Some amazing T&A at the pools...

We walked thru Wynn and it looked real nice. It was definitely mobbed everywhere though...

We didn't hit any real nice restaurants, but the Bellagio buffet was pretty damn good.

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 3, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Wow...Rue McClanahan died today. One by one, The Golden Girls are all leaving us...

And doing so in a trend:

Estelle Getty--died in 2008
Bea Arthur--died in 2009
Rue McClanahan--died in 2010

If I'm Betty White, I'm getting life insurance RIGHT NOW.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I agree with the 3rd and 4th nuts ... Hayneworth taking more than > or = 40 snaps during Week One is one of my brazens.

Posted by: dcsween | June 3, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

LOL 4th...I saw a story on the news this morning that a chick in Omaha is running a maid service where the maids will actually clean your house naked. I can't believe that in 2010 this is the first anybody's doing this...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 11:30 AM

This sounds dicey. 90% of all maids, and 80% of all Omaha women, are not people you really want to see naked. That means there's only about half a dozen young ladies in the entire state of Nebraska you'd be happy to see show up. Mix in the potentially unattractive "jiggling" cleaning usually involves...and the applicant pool shrinks even further.

Posted by: MColeman51 | June 3, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

i don't think williams handled the criticism (from his former coach) too badly, considering his age and place in life. yeah, he could have been a little more diplomatic, or maybe owned his mistakes a little more, but i think he diffused it fairly well and certainly didn't try to make a big deal out of it. it would have been very easy, only days after the proudest moment of his life, to say something more like, "suck it bro, i went #4."

i'm not reading too much into this early praise, because he has barely even started being a rookie, and he will still be learning about the league even two full years from now. but i agree with the sentiment that "no news is good news" with a recent high draft pick, who would be making a lot more noise in the media if he were clearly overmatched.


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Posted by: bcarothers | June 3, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I like how the saints sub in R Bush for P Thomas: two similar backs, but yet different in how they are used.

R Brown and R Williams are similar, but the dolphins use one in wildcat, the other in a speed/trap game that's hard to stop.

R Rice and W Magahee are similar, but with the ravens solid o-line, that really isn't even an issue as there are holes all over the place for them to run through.


Posted by: MistaMoe

This is just my observation:


Pierre Thomas and Bush are different. With Thomas you have a back that can run between the tackles, with Bush you have a guy who relies on elusiveness and his a factor in catching passes out the backfield.


Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown are different too. Ricky Williams is sort of a one trick guy -- more of the grind it out type, while Brown is versatile as they come.


Agree on McGahee and Rice. Although I think Rice is a much better receiving back and also runs between the gaps more effectively.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 3, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

and the applicant pool shrinks even further.

Posted by: MColeman51 | June 3, 2010 11:46 AM


If you're right, that won't be the only thing shrinking...LOL

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Johnson
Tourain
Westbrook

Move Portis to fullback? ;)

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 3, 2010 11:19 AM

Portis to IR. This the other one of my brazens. Johnson is the biggest of the crew ... he can block as well as or better than Portis. Johnson is the 1st down guy. Westbrook is the third down guy. That leave Torain to score the TDs.

Portis NEEDS to be out there pounding guys every snap. His yardage improves over the course of the game. That's why he was never platooned with Betts (except when he called in for Betts on his own). Portis does not fit with the idea of a platoon.

Posted by: dcsween | June 3, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Dang, Estelle Getty died in 2008? What was she, 137 years old?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 3, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

I think PArady Porn gives people excuses to go out and purchase it w/o looking like a perv to whoever they are concerned with (GF, Moms, other guys, blogging buddies, etc.)....

I watched a little of the Cosby's and told myself, 'never again'...

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 3, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I don't like his attitude toward the criticism of his college coach. He wasn't saying Trent wasn't awesome. He was saying he could have been much better, maybe the best if he applied himself a little more. T's response was immature and foolish. You can't be the best ever if you don't try and work for it and T wasn't even considered the best at his position in college. Grow up and learn to accept constructive crtiticism or you'll never be as good as you can be.

Posted by: dg_photofl | June 3, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Portis NEEDS to be out there pounding guys


Or at the very least, offering HJ's for $15


On a side note... I think Carriker(sp?) is going to be our best D Lineman this year.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 3, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Dang, Estelle Getty died in 2008? What was she, 137 years old?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 3, 2010 11:52 AM


Ironically, she was the youngest of The Golden Girls.

And co-sign on Carriker being the best D-lineman this year. I have a really good feeling about that acquisition...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

"Johnson is the biggest of the crew"


Kabooooom goes the dynamite!

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 3, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Portis NEEDS to be out there pounding guys every snap. His yardage improves over the course of the game. That's why he was never platooned with Betts (except when he called in for Betts on his own). Portis does not fit with the idea of a platoon.

Posted by: dcsween

Keep in mind that Portis hasn't been in the best shape for a few seasons now, his slow starts may be due to him simply having to get his air under him.

Last time Portis was paired up with Shanahan, Portis carried the ball no more than 290 times and still amassed over 1500 yards in two seasons.

In 2002 Mike Williams and Olandis Garry had a combined 121 carries for 533 yards.

In 2003 Quentin Griffin and Mike Anderson combined for 174 carries for 602 yards.

If Johnson/Torain, Johnson/Parker, or Johnson/Westbrook are able to produce those numbers that'll be what's up. Even more if Portis can stay under 300 carries.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 3, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

On a side note ... I think Carriker(sp?) is going to be our best D Lineman this year.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 3, 2010 11:57 AM

On another side note, I don't think Skins' D linemen are going be noticed anywhere near as much next year as they have been in the past, except for Orakpo when he's playing the role of Suggs or Ware. The scheme is going to require that D lineman to cover some responsibilities so that LBs can make plays ... which is why Haynesworth is as excited about playing DE as he is about playing NT.

Posted by: dcsween | June 3, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

For those fretting over the above comments by Trent Williams...give this a little thought. The guy made the comments about him wasn't a coach, he was the "director of sports enhancement"...whatever the f*ck that is. Posted by: brownwood26

Not fretting over the quotes but the guy who mentioned it was the Strength and Conditioning coach. Just because he was lazy in college does not mean he will be lazy in the pros. He was a hard worker in practice but just did not put the time in outside of practice. His comments could have been worded better. I would be concerned if he starts showing up out of shape.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 3, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

If you're right, that won't be the only thing shrinking...LOL

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 11:48 AM

I was in the pool! I was in the pool!

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 3, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

lmao @ pardoy porn. It's no wonder those are the most popular. They make them so a perv won't feel like a perv, or so when a couple views one they don't feel awkward.


"Oh, naw. See you have it all wrong. I ain't a perv. I just wanted to see how good are spoofs of the real actors."


A scene should consist of this:

Chick name goes across the screen, or she says it.

Gives a little striptease, or just takes off her damn clothes.

Then proceeds to go in. "Build up", "Done up", "Clean up"

**Next scene**

Posted by: RedDMV | June 3, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

"If I'm Betty White, I'm getting life insurance RIGHT NOW."

Betty White IS dead.

She just doesn't know it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 3, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I own Pulp Friction

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 3, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

... which is why Haynesworth is as excited about playing DE as he is about playing NT.

Posted by: dcsween | June 3, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

which is why he needs to realize it is a team sport.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 3, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Favorite parody porn name: "Saving Ryan's Privates"

honorable mention: "Beetlejizm"

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 3, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Dang, Estelle Getty died in 2008? What was she, 137 years old?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 3, 2010 11:52 AM


Ironically, she was the youngest of The Golden Girls.


Posted by: brownwood26


Estelle Getty? The one who played the mother? She was the youngest?

Her character was the oldest and she LOOKED the oldest.

Wow...


And Rue McClanahan makes it "number three". Given the whole "comes in threes" thing substance.

Gary Coleman
Dennis Hopper
Rue McClanahan

Posted by: RedDMV | June 3, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Some amazing T&A at the pools...

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 3, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse
-----------------------------

Some amazing T&A everywhere. Those zero length dresses don't leave much to the imagination, and far too many girls thought they could pull them off. But done right... wow.

The first night I was a little concerned for the safety of my cheek, given the proximity of my fiance, but she was gawking just as hard as I was. Some stunning broads out there. Of course, then you hear them say something as they walk by, and, well... that's why there's 5 of them together with nary a significant other in sight.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 3, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Favorite parody porn name: "Saving Ryan's Privates"

honorable mention: "Beetlejizm"

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 3, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse


"Itty Itty Bang Bang" for those who find midget porn hilarious.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 3, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Forrest Hump

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 3, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Starring Tom Yanks and Wesley Pipes

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 3, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Gary Coleman
Dennis Hopper
Rue McClanahan

Posted by: RedDMV | June 3, 2010 12:28 PM

That's the damb Trilateral Commission right there.

Posted by: dcsween | June 3, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 3, 2010 12:30 PM

Yeah, I saw a few dresses which literally were not even covering the cheeks. Why not just wear underwear?

But yeah they are obnoxious... also plenty of d-bag guys out there.. some places looked like a Jersey Shore reunion... amazing how oblivious some people are to their obnoxiousness....

Parody Porn?

Harry Pooter and the Chamber of Secretions

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 3, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Has this theory been floated yet? Cindy Boren=talent/league/beep?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 3, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 3, 2010 12:30 PM

Yeah, I saw a few dresses which literally were not even covering the cheeks. Why not just wear underwear?

But yeah they are obnoxious... also plenty of d-bag guys out there.. some places looked like a Jersey Shore reunion... amazing how oblivious some people are to their obnoxiousness....

Parody Porn?

Harry Pooter and the Chamber of Secretions

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 3, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget Lil Benny!

Cat in the Hat
Use to do SMACK
Now he does Crack
Can't get back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfXd0hsg-I8

This joint got me partying in my office! Wish go go could go back to this!

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 3, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Harry Pooter and the Chamber of Secretions

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 3, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse


Was that before or after "Harry Pooter and the Sourcerer's Bone?"

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 3, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Has this theory been floated yet? Cindy Boren=talent/league/beep?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 3, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse


There could be something to that.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 3, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I think there's one being made called Tiger's Wood.

Posted by: monk811 | June 3, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis is the starter heading into camp

haters - nay
supporters - yay

Posted by: pabrian2003 | June 3, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 3, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

yay

Posted by: monk811 | June 3, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Gary Coleman
Dennis Hopper
Rue McClanahan

Posted by: RedDMV | June 3, 2010 12:28 PM

That's the damb Trilateral Commission right there.

Posted by: dcsween

ronnie james dio???

Posted by: pabrian2003 | June 3, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 3, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

yay

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 3, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

nayay

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 3, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

yay

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 3, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm kinda a late, but I just want to say to all those who wanted to keep Parker over Larry Johnson:

Told ya so...

Posted by: RedDMV | June 3, 2010 10:35 AM

+

Red, who wanted Parker over Johnson? I haven't seen that up here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 10:43 AM


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That'd be MistaMoe, AlThoe I can't remember which thred. Red you should remember this one b/c it was the same day I figured out Moe wake n baked on the regular.

Posted by: Vicc | June 3, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rbpalmer | June 3, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Valid point about the locker room but I'm not in the locker room, I'm a fan.

As a fan I want to see a guy come out and kick ass when he's on the field.

Haynesworth did that.

Regardless of contracts, oxygen masks, practice habits, strippers or whatever else you can throw out there as haterade, Big Al was our best defensive lineman last year. He will also be our best defensive lineman this year.

Call me a third nut but I believe he is working out on his own and he will come back in great shape. The fact that he came in to tell Shanahan in person that he is working on his own speaks volumes (to me at least).

He acknowledged that he was not in great shape last year and vowed to work with his personal trainer that helped him dominate on '07 and '08. He has not been dishonest in any way since he came here so why should he lie about that?

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until I see otherwise.

That said, I could certainly do without the soap opera BS but that is more driven by the media than anyone else.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 3, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I co-sign, etrod, point by point, right on.

Posted by: frediefritz | June 3, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

YAY on CP as starter heading into camp. For two reasons: (a) I still like him and think he's got prolly 1-2 great seasons left, and (2) who the hell else would it be?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 3, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Just looking ahead to what's in store for young Trent Williams.

NFL Sack leaders in 2009

1.Elvis Dumervil
* 2. Jared Allen
3. Lamar Woodley
* 3. Dwight Freeney
5. Will Smith
* 6. trent cole
7. Brian Orakpo
7. Andre Carter
* 7. demarcus ware
* 10. Julius Peppers
* 11. Clay Matthews
* 16. Mario Williams
* 23. osi u

Not surprisingly, the list is mostly RDEs and ROLBs that play in a 3-4. RDE and ROLB are the positions Trent Williams is going to deal with.

The guys with an * by their name are the guys Trent Williams will be facing in 2010. He'll face players in the top 10 in sacks a total of 7 games.

If I cut out the Redskin players and non RDE/ROLBs from the sack list, I get a subset with the names of the roughly 31 guys Williams could have theoretically faced this season. If I re-rank the list, its clear how tough it is.

In terms of sacks, the guys he faces were ranked #2, #3, #5 (2x), #6 (2x), #7, #8, #11, #16 (2x).

Of the 8 guys mentioned, 7 were Pro Bowl picks in '09 (osi the only one who wasn't) and he'll face those Pro Bowlers in 9 of our 16 games.

Not surprisingly, several of these players were also among the leaders in forced fumbles. osi led the league in fumble recoveries.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 3, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

The St. Louis Rams did not retender safety O.J. Atogwe at $6.976 million to assure them of his services this season. As a result, Atogwe is a free agent.

All Pro Defense:

DL -

Haloti Ngata
Osi Umenyiora
Maake Kemoeatu
Ogemdi Nwabuo

LB -

Kaluka Maiava
Lofa Tatupa
Pago Togafau

DB -

Nnamdi Asomugha
Oshiomagho Atogwe
Chinedum Ndukwe
Hamza Abdullah

Posted by: AlligatorAl | June 3, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Growing up, porn was Seka, Nina Hartley, Nina De Ponca, Vanessa Del Rio, and Jenine Pepper.

Where did those women go to?

How does a porn starlet retire?

If she gets honored on the Hollywood Walk of Sidewalk Fame, do they have her kneel down in wet cement, and sign it "Doggiestyle"?

Shouldn't some porn starlet be making money endorsing facial cremes or suppositories?

What do they tell their grandchildren?

"In my football movie Booty Bench Warmers," they tell their grandsons.

"Grandma wanted the entire team to be ready for the big game."

"And for the ones weren't ready, well, she had to swallow hard and put in extra work."


Posted by: MistaMoe | June 3, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

NateinthePDX exclaimed, "YAY on CP..."

Has anybody looked at Portis' stats when he hasn't been injured?

He's been injured what? 2 years in his career and every other year he is a 1000+yd back.

He's been remarkably durable and has suffered no significant injury to his lower body. The man has been one of the toughest players in the NFL! How many other running backs in history had reached 2000 carries before they turned 28 years old?

His first game as a redskin he had 29 carries for 148 yds. A cynical ESPN reporter(Can't remember who it was) pointed out how his two longest runs went for 64yds and 16 yds. And that his other 27 carries produced 68 yds. But we fans know football and that is what Clinton Portis does. He has always been a threat to break a long one. His vision is that good. Even had his longest run from scrimmage this past year. I didn't see any other running backs breaking long ones for us this year.

Posted by: Vicc | June 3, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

vicc

"...you should remember this one b/c it was the same day I figured out Moe wake n baked on the regular..."


Please explain 'waked n baked'?

I'll pack my bong while you type.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 3, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

... and Vicc, you didn't even mention the theme others have touched on up here, that he'll be in a Shanahan offense again, not the Gibbs II or Zorn offenses, which should give him more chances to impress.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 3, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

and Vicc, you didn't even mention the theme others have touched on up here, that he'll be in a Shanahan offense again, not the Gibbs II or Zorn offenses, which should give him more chances to impress.

Posted by: NateinthePDX

I too hope he ragains his glory days of yore, but I remember Shanny got rid of him too. Didn't miss a step in the running game either.
I want our team to get younger and have more speed. Give the young rb's a chance.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | June 3, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

From ESPN article above:

Five moves that won't work

1. Jason Campbell goes to Oakland: I like Campbell's resolve. I think he's gotten a raw deal in this league because the former Washington Redskins quarterback has played for so many different offensive coordinators and in so many different systems. I also don't believe he has a chance of turning his career around with the Raiders. Campbell doesn't have an aggressive enough personality to take charge of that dysfunctional locker room. He can't count on his current coaches sticking around beyond this season (since owner Al Davis has hired five head coaches in the past eight years). Right now, there's no question that Campbell is an upgrade over his predecessor, JaMarcus Russell. What Campbell isn't, however, is the type of player who can make a difference in the lost world that is the Oakland Raiders.

Our prediction: Campbell produces solid numbers as the Raiders limp through another season with double-digit losses.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 3, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

His first game as a redskin he had 29 carries for 148 yds. A cynical ESPN reporter(Can't remember who it was) pointed out how his two longest runs went for 64yds and 16 yds. And that his other 27 carries produced 68 yds. But we fans know football and that is what Clinton Portis does. He has always been a threat to break a long one. His vision is that good. Even had his longest run from scrimmage this past year. I didn't see any other running backs breaking long ones for us this year.


Posted by: Vicc | June 3, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse


While it's true he doesn't have the game-breaking speed, I still think he's fast enough to get the job done. I think this is Clinton's coming out party this year, it's gonna be a Portis we haven't seen in a few years, he is tremendously motivated and looks to be in great shape.

And about that ESPN analyst, he's just a hater like the rest. If you never counted the 'big runs' in the scheme of a full game then would Barry Sanders be considered great? He had such a high percentage of carries that went for 0 yards or negative yards, he'd have like 25 carries for 150 yards and about 15-20 carries would be for a loss, the other 5-10 would be huge runs that would get him over 100.

Posted by: monk811 | June 3, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Agree on the Campbell analysis. Oakland has too many problems. 7 times they lost by 14 or more points (Skins had 3 of those). Their 5 wins were all by 4 points or less. Oakland had the 3rd worst point differential in the league.

Basically, Oakland played like a 3 win team, but managed to get 5 wins.

So how much upside can Campbell bring? Well, Campbell needs protection and good WRs to make a real difference. Oakland allowed more sacks than the Skins, their WRs are mediocre (with Heyward-Bey in total bust territory).

As much as I like Campbell, he's in just as bad a situation in Oakland as he was in DC.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 3, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Relatively healthy Portis? yay

Concussion prone and bone spur laden Portis? nay

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 3, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Ok....here's a proposed lineup (as of who we have today).

Tell me what you think.

OFFENSE (23)
QB - Donovan McNabb, Rex Grossman, Colt Brennan
RB - Clinton Portis, Larry Johnson, Ryan Torrain
FB - Mike Sellers, Dennis Morris 
TE - Chris Cooley, Fred Davis
WR - Santana Moss, Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, Bobby Wade
LT - Trent Williams, Stephon Heyer
LG - Derrick Dockery, Chad Rhinehart 
C - Casey Rabach, Will Montgomery 
RG - Mike Williams
LG - Artis Hicks, William Robinson

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | June 3, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

True, bringing him in for a look doesn't hurt or cost anything.


But while we're on that, mine as well bring in Terrell Owens also, just sayin' for look and see purposes... But someone told me that T.O. is looking for 5 mil per.

He can't be seriously expecting that, can he?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 3, 2010 11:31 AM

Well I'm pretty sure 5 mil would be too much to bring in Willie or TO for a look for. Also, don't think Willie is a distraction or a cancer. TO is immediatley both of those.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 3, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

DEFENSE (26)
LDE - Albert Haynesworth, Vonnie Holliday, Greg Peterson 
NT - Maake Kemoeatu, Kedric Gholston, Anthony Bryant  
RDE - Adam Carriker, Phillip Daniels
OLB - Brian Orakpo, Jeremy Jarmon , Chris Wilson 
ILB - London Fletcher, H.B. Blades 
ILB - Rocky MacIntosh, Chris Draft 
OLB - Andre Carter, Lorenzo Alexander, Robert Henson 
SS - Laron Landry, Reed Doughty 
FS - Chris Horton, Kareem Moore 
CB - Carlos Rogers, Phillip Buchanon 
CB - DeAngelo Hall, Justin Tryon 

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | June 3, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

ESPN hates the Washington Redskins and loves the Dallas Cowboys.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 3, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

In other news...

We take the Celtics winning in 7 games.

Ken Griffey retires, the world yawns.

The Nats let Strasburg throw one pitch, then trade him to the Cubs who convert him to a reliever.

Albert Haynesworth shows up to a June redskins' minicamp and generates a summer's worth of threads for RI.

Dez Bryant takes away R Williams starting spot by the end of September.

School ends, and Moe gets 3 months of paid vacation while you suckers work.

Time to go 'wake and bake'.

Whateva that is.

I'm out.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 3, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

SPECIAL TEAMS (4)
K - Graham Gano 
P - Josh Bidwell 
LS - Nick Sundberg 
KR/PR - Terrence Austin

PRACTICE SQUAD
WR - Brandon Banks
C/G - Eric Cook
OT/G - Selvish Capers
ILB - Perry Riley
RB - Keiland Williams 
S - Lendy Holmes
CB - Doug Dutch

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | June 3, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Southeast Jarome - yay

'Throwing People Under The Bus' Clinton - nay

'Go Whining To Mr. Snyder' Portis - nay

Clinton vs. Arrington - YAY

Posted by: monk811 | June 3, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Ok....here's a proposed lineup (as of who we have today).

Tell me what you think.

OFFENSE (23)
QB - Donovan McNabb, Rex Grossman, Colt Brennan
RB - Clinton Portis, Larry Johnson, Ryan Torrain
FB - Mike Sellers, Dennis Morris
TE - Chris Cooley, Fred Davis
WR - Santana Moss, Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, Bobby Wade
LT - Trent Williams, Stephon Heyer
LG - Derrick Dockery, Chad Rhinehart
C - Casey Rabach, Will Montgomery
RG - Mike Williams
LG - Artis Hicks, William Robinson

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | June 3, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Maybe flip-flop Colt and Rex, and nudge Wade to 5th reciever for Galloway at 4. Or maybe even 3rd with Kelley at 4th. It'll be interesting watching the WR depth chart develop through preseason.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 3, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Beep beep

Posted by: Devo2 | June 3, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

And about that ESPN analyst, he's just a hater like the rest. If you never counted the 'big runs' in the scheme of a full game then would Barry Sanders be considered great? He had such a high percentage of carries that went for 0 yards or negative yards, he'd have like 25 carries for 150 yards and about 15-20 carries would be for a loss, the other 5-10 would be huge runs that would get him over 100.

Posted by: monk811 |

I get the point the ESPN guy was making. To me, I'd like to see a stat like this. % of runs that gain 3 or more yards or a 1st down. Call those "quality runs" (somewhat analogous to quality starts in baseball).


To me, that'd be the most effective RB. Portis in the first half of 2008 would have done very well in that category, obviously a different story since.

One of the nuances in football is that the average and distribution both matter. If an RB gains 4 yards a carry, every carry, the team scores a TD every time (1st and 10 goes to 2nd and 6 goes to 3rd and 2 -- and 4 yards on 3rd and 2 is another 1st down).

It turns out ineffective plays are quite harmful to an offense, and an occasional big play does little to offset that.

This analysis also ports over to the passing game. Its why I think so highly of possession receivers. Low risk passes are actually more effective than longer passes that have higher risk.

As fans, we like excitement, but we also confuse excitement with excellence.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 3, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

That offensive line looks scary only one injury into the season.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | June 3, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | June 3, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I think Selvish Capers comes on strong and backs up RT, and are we all really that convinces that Johnson or Torrain beats out Parker? I think Willie still has that speed we need, he's a guy I would like to see on the roster. I think fast/change of pace guy is better than short yardage/gay bashin guy. Maybe it's Portis, Parker, Westbrook, any takers on that idea?

Posted by: monk811 | June 3, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe,

I learned the term during my visit to the Dam of Amster.

I visited a local bakery for breakfast and asked for the "bakers dozen"

The most delicious brownies I'd ever tasted. Needless to say I was as thoughtless as a zombie for the rest of that day.

(packing souvenir bong bought overseas as this is being posted)

I'ma be in Tampa this weekend. Heard there are sam goody strip joints. Are any of them open for breakfast?

Posted by: Vicc | June 3, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

"I don't like his attitude toward the criticism of his college coach. He wasn't saying Trent wasn't awesome. He was saying he could have been much better, maybe the best if he applied himself a little more. T's response was immature and foolish. You can't be the best ever if you don't try and work for it and T wasn't even considered the best at his position in college. Grow up and learn to accept constructive crtiticism or you'll never be as good as you can be.Posted by: dg_photofl"

What was constructive about that criticism? A fancy way of calling a player out for laziness. Might have been a coach with a resentment.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 3, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

"I get the point the ESPN guy was making. To me, I'd like to see a stat like this. % of runs that gain 3 or more yards or a 1st down. Call those "quality runs" (somewhat analogous to quality starts in baseball).posted by zceszcet1"

They track something akin to that on footballoutsiders...


Posted by: Samson151 | June 3, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Considering he was not known as the hardest worker, I hope he has learned his ways from college and realized he needs to give 110% at all times here.

With some immediate success, he may loaf a bit and suffer from it

Posted by: Bious | June 3, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I'll tell you what I see with Trent Williams. And this should matter, because, unfortunately, I'm nearly always correct, even though people don't like me posting the Truth on here and often resort to name-calling.

F it. Here it is:

Trent Williams is a nasty dude. He's not a real "nice" person. That's good for Redskins fans. He'll be motivated week in and week out to work hard in order to dominate (and ESPECIALLY not get embarrassed by) his opponent.

The trouble COULD begin in the offseasons. That's where drive and self-discipline come into play, and, let's face it, he's a young millionaire who already feels he has "made it."

I'm not predicting he'll bust. I think he's too talented for that. But, where he could be a Jim Lachey, he'll happily settle for a paycheck delivered with no complaints.

I hope I'm wrong. I hope he stays with his nose to the grindstone to lengthen his career and be the cornerstone of another Hogs revival.

But, I'm not feeling it. And apparently, he's too good to stink. Where's "The Competition" Shanny is always talking about?

The way he loves competition, you'd think he'd have brought in a Parcels or a Jimmy Johnson just to push himself, the FREAK!

Posted by: Thinker_ | June 3, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

that supposed o-line is really a joke at center rabach with montgomery backing him up 2 weaklings that regularly are over powered at the line many of you are worried about what t. williams will do and make NO mention of rabach who is directly in front of mcnabb and if the qb goes down because of rabach you will see another 6 win season, montgomery in the dallas game last year was thrown around like a rag doll and shanahan is either stupid or just wants a white center on the line probably a combo of both. could not care less what the coach said about t. williams.

Posted by: wathu19 | June 3, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

... which is why Haynesworth is as excited about playing DE as he is about playing NT.

Posted by: dcsween | June 3, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

which is why he needs to realize it is a team sport.


Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 3, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

For the money he's making, I don't give a damn what excites him. If Shanny tells him to switch to the OLINE he better have a damn smile on. The ingrate.

Posted by: scottmando | June 3, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

BrooklynSkins posted:

Wrong answer: "Obviously, what he was saying didn't match up to what was being produced on the field."

Right answer: "Yeah, I could have worked harder, but I'm doing that now because I'm the only thing standing between Demarcus Ware and another 4 - 12 season"
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I absolutely agree with BrooklynSkins. Williams should have stated that he could have worked out more and gotten stronger but he had to balance athletics with academics and other stuff and there are/were only so many hours in the day. And know that he is a professional who can completely focus on his craft, he will dedicate more time to weight and strength training.

Unfortunately, Williams' is arrogance is showing. He hasn't accomplished anything and wasn't drafted #1 and I don't know of many athletes or people who couldn't improve in their professions in some manner. Exceptions are Michael Jordon, Magic, Bird, Julius Irving, Steve Young, Montana, etc. Maybe he is getting patted on the back too much but I hope his cockiness gets knocked out of him and he learns to and wants to work hard to be the best he can be. He certainly needs help taking constructive criticism. It is a shame Joe Bugel isn't coaching him. I am sure he could humble Williams and make his the best he can be.

Posted by: neil64 | June 6, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

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