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Shanahans think Trent Williams will fit in with zone blocking scheme

Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan and his son, Kyle, Washington's offensive coordinator, have been pleasantly surprised with the talent level of the interior linemen they inherited. But the Shanahans, however, quickly determined they needed to make a major move to upgrade at tackle, people familiar with their thinking said.

In first-round draft pick Trent Williams, Shanahan now has a young tackle on the roster who possesses the speed and quickness to "fit in very well" with his zone blocking scheme. "He's got a lot of experience, obviously, being a four-year starter, playing a number of different positions. Hopefully, he'll come in here and compete right away and show us what he can do."

Although the Redskins also incorporate power schemes into their blocking packages, they are primarily a zone operation. That's fine with Williams.

"Yeah, I can do that," Williams said in recently. "We did some of that [at Oklahoma], so I've done it. I think I can do anything they ask me to do out there."

By Jason Reid  |  April 23, 2010; 10:00 AM ET
Categories:  NFL Draft , Offensive line , Trent Williams  
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the Eagles thought so little of him they gave him away to a division rival. Clausen meanwhile could be the franchise QB the Skins have been looking for since Rypien.

Posted by: sovine08 | April 23, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I would hardly call demanding a high second-rounder and a sixth for a guy "giving him away." And, yes, Clausen could turn out to be a "franchise QB." He could also turn out to be a total bust. McNabb is a proven commodity.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 23, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

not too mention, Rypien wasn't exactly a "franchise QB". He had a couple nice years and that's it and won a super bowl. He never threw for 4000 yards, he only broke 3000 3 times, he only had two years ever with a rating higher than JC did last year.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 23, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 23, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Silverback

Posted by: rickmort | April 23, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

the Eagles thought so little of him they gave him away to a division rival. Clausen meanwhile could be the franchise QB the Skins have been looking for since Rypien.

Posted by: sovine08 | April 23, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I would hardly call demanding a high second-rounder and a sixth for a guy "giving him away." And, yes, Clausen could turn out to be a "franchise QB." He could also turn out to be a total bust. McNabb is a proven commodity.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 23, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

not too mention, Rypien wasn't exactly a "franchise QB". He had a couple nice years and that's it and won a super bowl. He never threw for 4000 yards, he only broke 3000 3 times, he only had two years ever with a rating higher than JC did last year.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 23, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 23, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Let's not forget that the iggles needed to move one of the QBs and Vick still has some potential but would not yield what they wanted in return. Kolb is more accurate younger and the iggles have always loved him. The only logical choice was McNabb and dont downplay the fact that Reid respected McNabbs wishes and did not send him somewhere like Oak. I believe that played into the decision a lot.

Posted by: rickmort | April 23, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

What OL prospects are still viable options for us in round 4 or earlier if we somehow manage to get into round 2 or 3?

Posted by: FedorEm | April 23, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Hmm... Trent. I'm happy with it. Simple, done. Good.

Moving on. Haynesworth... What do we do with this guy. He clearly doesn't want to play in the 3-4. He has been paid millions. He has more talent than any other person on our entire team. He also has the work ethic of Clinton Portis. Tough. I do not envy Shanny and Brucy on this one. Do you realize hes a waste and trade him for whatever you can get? Do you hold out for a 2nd.. and if not keep him? Do you take a 3rd? Do they try to hug and kiss and make up.. .see if he'll come in and play hard for us?

Tough. I just hope
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You cannot take a 3rd round pick for a top 5 DT. I wouldn't even take a 2nd round pick. Look, we made the investment. Let it pay dividends. Shannahan will get this guy ironed out. I do question the decision to go 3-4 when you decided to build your D around a 4-3 guy. To me it's a mistake. But he will make due and they will work it out, whether it's allowing him to split time at DE or reworking his contract 2-3 times. Cannot bail on the guy after one year, despite the disappointing early returns.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 23, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Now let's make a move for one of these 3 players:

Jamaal Brown
Jared Gaither
Flozell Adams

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

So the Shanahans like Mike Williams?

Another one that I "called"... always thought that Mike Williams at the weight he was at when he came to the 'skins, could've stand to loose a few pounds then play the guard position. I was concerned about his height -- I guess it isn't a problem.

LT - T. Williams
LG - Dockery
C - Rabach
RG - Mike Williams
RT - Hicks

You know the best thing about that lineup? Stephon Heyer isn't on it...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 23, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

...also although McNabb probably still has a couple of good years left, this is the highest his stock is going to be in his current age caused decline. They needed to do this and you cannot really view them as discarding him, because they thought little of him.

Posted by: rickmort | April 23, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

"Did anyone else notice the tension between Kiper and Berman during the telecast?"

Didn't what the draft, so I can't say.

But I'd venture a guess that Kiper probably feels the draft broadcast is his once a year chance to be seen and wants the floor to himself.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

That and Berman just signed his new deal with ESPN.. Add Gruden and Steve Young to the mix.. def. some chest pumping going on.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 23, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

psps, you still hungover from last night?

Flozell Adams?

That's a big: NAY!

Posted by: RedDMV | April 23, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Comon, really? Same post by Paul a little while ago. And his was more interesting than 'The coach thinks our #4 pick will fit our scheme'. Ya think, Phyliss?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 23, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Hope he dosent allow DMAC to get Sam Bradforded twice. I kid, good pick hopefully he works out. Would have still loved to trade down but obv they had no takers.

Posted by: Stu27 | April 23, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

You know the best thing about that lineup? Stephon Heyer isn't on it...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 23, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse


Heyer doesn't belong in the NFL. I've never seen a guy get beat as often as him. Trent Cole, Demarcus Ware, Osi and all the other pass rush elites salivate at the sight of him. Trent will hopefully turn into a Samuels type and Anchor our line till 2020. Hopefully we trade for now or draft next year our RT.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 23, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

McNabb took the Eagles to the NFC title game 6 times in 11 years. At 33 years old (34 in October) he most likely has several quality seasons ahead of him. He can make an immediate impact in 2010 and he can be a leader who can help a new coach and GM change the culture of the organization in a positive direction. How are you going to get any of that with a second round pick? Deal was a no-brainer. Who cares why the Eagles did what they did? -- that is the Eagles' business and is not relevant to whether McNabb as a Redskin makes sense for the Redskins.

Posted by: manlius1 | April 23, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

psps, you still hungover from last night?

Flozell Adams?

That's a big: NAY!

Posted by: RedDMV | April 23, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Is Runyan still avail while we are at it.

Posted by: Stu27 | April 23, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Hah, Red, maybe a little...

I'd still take Adams over Heyer or Hicks as a RT, without a doubt. BMW and Adams teamed up next to each other could move some serious weight on the right side of the line.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Anybody else pick up when Steve Young called Miles Austin, Austin Miles and then there was an awkward 2 second silence and Boomer was like, Moving on. Hahaha, that was funny. Almost as funny as Ken Harvey calling Al Apple Hinesworth.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 23, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Trent Cole, Demarcus Ware, Osi and all the other pass rush elites salivate at the sight of him.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 23, 2010 10:21 AM

You're saying he makes these guys drool? That's the first step toward becoming a slobber-knocker.

Posted by: League-Source | April 23, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

And getting Clausen would be a great move.. a franchise QB for a guy who doesn't want to be here.. doesn't want to play in a 3-4 defense. To me the problem isn't the Skins don't want Clausen the problem is who will give up their 2nd round pick for AH.

Posted by: sovine08 | April 23, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse


So AH really doesn't want to be here and he really doesn't want to play in a 3-4, eh?

Is that what he told you in all of those private one-on-one conversations that you had with him?

Posted by: p1funk | April 23, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Cerrato drafting "Value" over "Need" for years- whatta maroon..

RT should be next priority, but definitely take Colt McCoy over Claussen....

Posted by: frak | April 23, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

"Are these the same honest professional talent evaluators who passed up on Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees and Tom Brady?"


Wasn't Rodgers a 1st round pick?

The knock on Brees was his height, not his ability.

And as for Brady, well, be honest: the Pats got lucky.

McCoy and Clausen will be in the NFL.

But maybe the programs they come from, and the players they played with had more to do with their elevation in the media's eye than their individual talent.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

where are all the draft picks for the great jason campbell????????????????????????????????????????????????

Posted by: cavalieri10 | April 23, 2010 9:23 AM
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I think its more of an indictment of Snyder, by the other NFL owners, than JC.
(does this make me a JC apologist?)

The biggest lesson Shanny and Bruce Allen are learning during this Draft is how much Snyder is disliked around the league by the other owners.
AH, JC, AC, RM.. trade deals should be in place by now...but, most owners do not want to "bail out" Dan Snyder from his mistakes or assist him in rebuilding the Skins.... Last year, was another revealing moment to support this point, when Snyder unsuccessfully and desperately called other teams to trade JC for a 3rd rounder to create a package for moving up to acquire Sanchez.
The owners told Snyder to beat sand.. And Bruce Allen and Shanny are sadly seeing this, first hand, when their phone calls are not being returned.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 23, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I think it's more of an indication that the other teams think that the 'Skins will eventually cut JC, and then they can pick him up for less than the 3 mil. + that he is currently due to earn, and no compensation to the 'Skins.

I don't buy your theory that other teams won't deal with the 'Skins because their owners hate DS. First, teams HAVE traded with the 'Skins throughout Snyder's tenure as owner. The fact that many of those deals have favored the other team is more a function of the 'Skins' past managerial incompetence than of any vendetta against Snyder. Second, most of the other teams in the league (certainly most of the well-run teams) don't appear to have owners who meddle in the teams' personnel matters, and those that do meddle would probably want their teams to do what is in THEIR best interests, regardless of whether it would mean dealing with the 'Skins or not.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 23, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Steve Young prepared for the draft last night by flipping through a Street & Smith's in a drugstore as his wife was picking up a prescription.

Two days ago.

He was awful.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 23, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Tru, the 'Skins would have their "weight up" on the right side of the offensive line if they brought in Flozell Adams, but with his "most penalized in the NFL since..." tag, I just don't want the dude here.

And he's a dirty POS, no thanks.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 23, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Skins would have been much better off getting Clausen instead of McNabb. McNabb has been beaten up for 11 years.. he's had a lot of injuries.. few people expect he will last 16 games this year. And last but not least.. the Eagles thought so little of him they gave him away to a division rival. Clausen meanwhile could be the franchise QB the Skins have been looking for since Rypien...

Posted by: sovine08 | April 23, 2010 9:49 AM


Unreal...there's so many things wrong with this post I couldn't possibly address all of it so I'll ask you this: You hate JC. Now you hate McNabb. What QB could the Redskins possibly get that would actually make you happy?

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 23, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

McCoy holds numerous NCAA and Big 12 records, including most starts, most WINS...Dude is a winner..

Posted by: frak | April 23, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Skins would have been much better off getting Clausen instead of McNabb. McNabb has been beaten up for 11 years.. he's had a lot of injuries.. few people expect he will last 16 games this year. And last but not least.. the Eagles thought so little of him they gave him away to a division rival. Clausen meanwhile could be the franchise QB the Skins have been looking for since Rypien...

Posted by: sovine08 | April 23, 2010 9:49 AM


Unreal...there's so many things wrong with this post I couldn't possibly address all of it so I'll ask you this: You hate JC. Now you hate McNabb. What QB could the Redskins possibly get that would actually make you happy?


Posted by: brownwood26

Y.A. Tittle
Johnny Unitas
Otto Graham...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 23, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Could be worse. Here in Denver fans are all scratching their heads. Loved Tom Jackson's wtf expression last night. Maybe Tebow turns into something but for the second year they've gone glitz positiong over lineman - and their defense stinks. Wonder if Cerrato's advising them.

Posted by: skinswest | April 23, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Here's a link to Mayock's final mock draft for all you guys who are convinced that he's the King of the draft:

By my count he was right on 7 of 32 picks.

Posted by: League-Source | April 23, 2010 10:03 AM

I think the way to compare would be to figure out which guys got the highest number of guys right as first round picks. As it was, there were something like five or six trades in that round. The question is how many mockers got the players slotted correctly, i.e., identifying who the League felt were the "best players available."

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

McCoy holds numerous NCAA and Big 12 records, including most starts, most WINS...Dude is a winner..

Posted by: frak | April 23, 2010 10:35 AM

You are so right. Heath Shuler was a winner, too.

Posted by: League-Source | April 23, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

As a Michigan State grad, I've followed the Spartans who have made it into the NFL ... they are either (1) d-bag thugs, (2) outstanding athletes, or (3) both.

Category three is currently a group of one: Plaxico.

Category two is mostly the punters and kickers, but hopefully also Devin Thomas.

Flozell Adams falls into the vast Category one.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Mock 5.0 is complete!!!

1. Bradford
2. Okung
3. McCoy
4. Trent Williams


(BArring any further trades from the Rams or Redskins)

Book it!

(4th's note: previous Mock was based on having the 2 round pick and/or the Skins trading players for more picks to obtain a LT further in the draft)

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 12:56 PM

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/donovan-mcnabb/trade-is-like-a-rebirth-for-mc.html

Y'all wanna keep hating on me?? Despite the fact I bring the truth? Keep it coming...I see why y'all try to knock a brotha down.....3 out of 4 makes me a bad MoFo....Especially since I have been saying McCoy>>Suh......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 23, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

The biggest lesson Shanny and Bruce Allen are learning during this Draft is how much Snyder is disliked around the league by the other owners.
AH, JC, AC, RM.. trade deals should be in place by now...but, most owners do not want to "bail out" Dan Snyder from his mistakes or assist him in rebuilding the Skins.... Last year, was another revealing moment to support this point, when Snyder unsuccessfully and desperately called other teams to trade JC for a 3rd rounder to create a package for moving up to acquire Sanchez.
The owners told Snyder to beat sand.. And Bruce Allen and Shanny are sadly seeing this, first hand, when their phone calls are not being returned.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 23, 2010 10:00 AM

Maybe but a lot of teams have made it known their guys are available for trade and there have been few takers (usi, merriman, etc.). Seems with a deep draft teams want to keep their picks. RI was probably right a few posts ago that next years FA class will be awesome.

Posted by: skinswest | April 23, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: sovine08 | April 23, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Just thought I'd inform you... you are a f#*king retard. Just stop. Get excited about the season and try not to think too hard. You're obviously having trouble with the little thoughts in your head. Accept the fact that you're not a smart person and embrace not having to have deep thoughts. Trust me. It leads to depression. You're dumb enough to glide through life without hurting your brain

Posted by: noseman4681 | April 23, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

nice 4th! suh>mccoy..but i like your gumption....ya boy spiller to bills....ouch and brrrr for him.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 23, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I think the way to compare would be to figure out which guys got the highest number of guys right as first round picks.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 10:37 AM

Agree to agree! That's what I said in the post you clipped.

Mayock got 6 wrong. He thought these guys would be taken in the first round and they weren't: Rolando McClain, Charles Brown, Sergio Kindle, Jimmy Clausen, Rodger Saffold, Daryl Washington.

Posted by: League-Source | April 23, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

McCoy holds numerous NCAA and Big 12 records, including most starts, most WINS...Dude is a winner..

Posted by: frak | April 23, 2010 10:35 AM

So was David Greene...

Posted by: Stu27 | April 23, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"RI was probably right a few posts ago that next years FA class will be awesome."

If there is a next year and if the FA structure even resembles the current OR just ended one.....should be interesting...and I hope interesting in that there is 2011 season...


Posted by: chrislarry | April 23, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Mayock got 6 wrong. He thought these guys would be taken in the first round and they weren't: Rolando McClain, Charles Brown, Sergio Kindle, Jimmy Clausen, Rodger Saffold, Daryl Washington.

Posted by: League-Source | April 23, 2010 10:49 AM |

LS,
McClain was the 8th pick to Oakland.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 23, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Very happy Philly passed on Earl Thomas. He will be too good for too long. Meanwhile the end they took will be getting pancaked by Trent.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 23, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Y.A. Tittle
Johnny Unitas
Otto Graham...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 23, 2010 10:37 AM


LOL Red...I'm sure Graham isn't quite mobile enough and Y.A. is a no go since sovine wouldn't be 100% sure what exactly the Y and the A stand for.

And everybody knows Unitas wouldn't be able to read coverages in today's NFL...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 23, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

ost owners do not want to "bail out" Dan Snyder from his mistakes or assist him in rebuilding the Skins

and you know this how??

with all due respect, and I'm saying with all due respect, that idea ain't worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin getting it on....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 23, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Sergio Kindle has been sliding hard but Frank iPad is moving fast up.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 23, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

McClain was the 8th pick to Oakland.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 23, 2010 10:52 AM

Thanks. Mayock got five wrong.

Posted by: League-Source | April 23, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Silverback gorilla in the concrete jungle... I'm the strongest around, you know how I get down...

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 23, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

"I think it's more of an indication that the other teams think that the 'Skins will eventually cut JC, and then they can pick him up for less than the 3 mil. + that he is currently due to earn, and no compensation to the 'Skins."

I think the issue is greater than this: other teams look at Campbell and see a flawed player.

He has a great arm, but makes his decisions like a retiree at Denny's--too slowly.

And we skins' fans may have to admit what aeveryone else already does: Jason Campbell is just another 1st round bust.

He joins the ranks of Shuler, Leaf, Couch, Carr, Harrington, ....

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

If nothing changes, the Redskins will not have any choices Friday night in rounds two or three. As Shanahan put it, “We did get one pick – Donovan. We’re not going to give up the farm to get a second-round draft pick.” --- Larry Weisman

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If this was still Snyderratto's playpen, they would've given up two 1st rd and Campbell as well as SixFlags America to land Bradford, which btw could be a potential bust like Alex Smith. I Hope Bradford starts by Week 2 so Osack-Po or Fat Albert can plant him back in the dirt.

This is gonna be a great season! Go Skins! Go McNabb!

Posted by: datruth21 | April 23, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

McCoy holds numerous NCAA and Big 12 records, including most starts, most WINS...Dude is a winner..

Posted by: frak | April 23, 2010 10:35 AM

So was David Greene...

Posted by: Stu27 | April 23, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Danny Wuerffel

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 23, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

rumor is that kindle has a bad knee, needs the microfracture surgery to get it right....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 23, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

If the Skins could unload Haynesworth for the Rams round 2, pick 1 would you do it (with the intention of selecting Charles Brown as our RT)?

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

rumor is that kindle has a bad knee, needs the microfracture surgery to get it right....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 23, 2010 10:57 AM


Which makes it a good thing Vinny isn't here...he would have been the #4 pick.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 23, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

rumor has that Kindle's lack of color touch screen and dynamic app store have stunted its value...

wait am I not on Gizmodo...my bad.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 23, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Spiller to Buff is crazy - But Isn't that his College Coach?

If so, I say bad pick....

Clausen to Vikings with #2 Pick today....

Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 23, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

They're not going to "cut" Campbell. He'll back up McNabb. Keep in mind that McNabb has had a spate of season ending injuries in Philly of late. They will need a competent backup who's name isn't Grossman. Campbell, in terms of arm strength and physical makeup closely matches McNabb. If you look at it it only makes sense.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Had the opportunity to go to NY and attend the first night of the draft.

One of the funniest scenes that has yet to be reported is when Chris Samuels visited the banquet table and walked away with a ham sandwich.

He was immediately mobbed by a bunch of reporters demanding to know where JC17 had been traded -- and whether the other team had also agreed to throw in the condiments.

Posted by: Vic1 | April 23, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Sergio Kindle has been sliding hard but Frank iPad is moving fast up.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 23, 2010 10:54 AM |

I'm thinking that, if the Skins still had the 2nd round pick, it would have been Kindle.

L-S, what about Kiper?

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

They're not going to "cut" Campbell. He'll back up McNabb. Keep in mind that McNabb has had a spate of season ending injuries in Philly of late. They will need a competent backup who's name isn't Grossman. Campbell, in terms of arm strength and physical makeup closely matches McNabb. If you look at it it only makes sense.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse
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I could see them attempting to renegotiate his contract into a longer term deal with incentives so that they aren't paying a backup $3 mil, but I tend to agree that McNabb + Grossman is a rather large risk with question marks still remaining on the line

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 23, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

McNabb has had a spate of season ending injuries in Philly of late.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2010 11:01 AM

McNabb has missed exactly four games in the last three years.

Posted by: League-Source | April 23, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

that idea ain't worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin getting it on....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 23, 2010 10:54 AM

HOLD THE PHONE! You have such a painting available for sale or trade? I have a ham sandwich I'm ready to move ... and just to keep it interesting, I have some bonus points to throw into the mix.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

He joins the ranks of Shuler, Leaf, Couch, Carr, Harrington, ....

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Campbell was a 25th overall (projected to go in the second round) and those guys were all top 5's. You don't pay for a hamburger and complain that you didn't get a steak. We drafted a mediocre prospect then we complained that he was in fact mediocre. Only in delusoinal skinsfanland does this pass as rational.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | April 23, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Kindle, i-Pad ... I get it.

Kindle's knee ... I missed that.

Rocky Mac has a knee ... maybe that's what's impairing the trade movement.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I think the Skins aren't getting any offers for JC et al. because teams just don't want to part with picks.

It has nothing to do with Snyder.

Maybe they're rejecting the trades and giggle to themselves as well for the Redskins trapping themselves; but they're rejecting the offers outright.

I say that and today or tomorrow they'll be 6 trades involving Washington and picks.

Actually, I hope that happens.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 23, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

If we were able to trade AH for a 2nd round pick today, would drafting someone like Taylor Mays make sense, or does he play the same position as LL?

Posted by: mattylight | April 23, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I think the Skins aren't getting any offers for JC et al. because teams just don't want to part with picks.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 23, 2010 11:10 AM

I agree. I think teams assign more value to a bird in the bush than to a bird in the hand.

[Bush? Hand? Let me start over for Jack's kids ...]

I agree. I think teams assign more value to a bird in the shrub than to a bird in the thing at the end of your arm.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I could see them attempting to renegotiate his contract into a longer term deal with incentives so that they aren't paying a backup $3 mil, but I tend to agree that McNabb + Grossman is a rather large risk with question marks still remaining on the line

Posted by: mattsoundworld

Why would they renegotiate his deal. Todd Collins got paid about 3 million a year. They will keep him unless they get a pick today. I don't think anyone wants to see Rex on the field.

Posted by: dcwun | April 23, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

L-S, what about Kiper?

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 11:04 AM

I don't know. I don't have his final mock draft. I'm not an "Insider."

Posted by: League-Source | April 23, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

If we were able to trade AH for a 2nd round pick today, would drafting someone like Taylor Mays make sense, or does he play the same position as LL?

Posted by: mattylight | April 23, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Straight SS, st some point might even be a LB. The guy is getting to big for his own good. Plus his hitting ability is not as impressive as people had thought it would be a year ago.

Posted by: Stu27 | April 23, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I think teams assign more value to a bird in the shrub than to a bird in the thing at the end of your arm.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 11:13 AM

"What you talking about sween?"
Carlos Rogers

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 23, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

At first, I thought that breaking up the draft over two nights and a day was just more NFL revenue pumping ... but now I kind of like it, esp. under the circumstance ... to give Shanahallen an extra day to try and get nimble and get us some more picks for one or more of the not-quite-fitting guys on the roster.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

brown, Y.A. Tittle was a "mouth-breather"...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 23, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I don't think anyone wants to see Rex on the field.

Posted by: dcwun | April 23, 2010 11:15 AM

I do ... holding for field goals.

Curz, nice.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I think the Skins aren't getting any offers for JC et al. because teams just don't want to part with picks.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 23, 2010 11:10 AM

I think they're not getting offers THAT THEY LIKE because JC et al. just aren't very good. The birds in hands are known to be turkeys and it isn't Thanksgiving.

They might move a few guys after the draft for other teams' disgruntled players or for picks in next year's draft. But don't expect much because we don't have much to offer.

Posted by: League-Source | April 23, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

"Did anyone else notice the tension between Kiper and Berman during the telecast?"

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2010 10:08 AM

So said for all of you that decided to watch on ESPN. NFL TV had the best lineup, and the sound effects were much more superior to ESPN's.

At the beginning I flipped back and forth to check the lineups and NFL TV stood out immediately.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | April 23, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Why would they renegotiate his deal. Todd Collins got paid about 3 million a year. They will keep him unless they get a pick today. I don't think anyone wants to see Rex on the field.

Posted by: dcwun | April 23, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse
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Different FO, different coach. Anyway, sure, they could pony up the money and then be done with JC, but I think he still holds value and you try to retain that.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 23, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Mel "HairHelmet" Kiper's Jan 2010 mock draft:

STL - Suh (Bradford)
DET - McCoy (Suh)
TB - Berry (McCoy)
WAS - Bradford (Williams)
KC - Okung (Berry)

Kiper's Dec 2010 mock

STL - Bradford (Bradford)
DET - Suh (Suh)
TB - McCoy (McCoy)
WAS - Clausen (Williams)
KC - Berry (Berry)

Looking over this, I am begining to suspect that Mel, like Nostradamus, makes many different predictions over time, and will be able to point to them and say... "In December I predicted this" while ignoring the fact he predicted something different in January. Nice work Mel.

What irritated the heck out of me, is that Kiper kept insisting that WAS was going to take a QB, even AFTER they got McNabb.

I look at what Shanahanallen are doing and think they expect to win in 2010. Maybe not everything, but playoffs are a definite possibility. Otherwise there's no way you trade that 2nd round pick for McNabb.

Posted by: dpc2003 | April 23, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

What about keepimg Campbell as a backup?

Posted by: jtrob_1 | April 23, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

don't think anyone wants to see Rex on the field.

Posted by: dcwun | April 23, 2010 11:15 AM

I do ... holding for field goals.

Curz, nice.

Posted by: dcsween

Not even on field goals sween. The only thing I want him holding is a clipboard.

Posted by: dcwun | April 23, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Is Runyan still avail while we are at it.

Posted by: Stu27 |

Nope.

Two words: Mo Elewanibi.

Posted by: TheCork | April 23, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Since this draft is so “deep and loaded”, nobody wants to part with their picks, unless it’s for other picks. JC, AH, Rocky, whoever, will garner more value in the preseason once camps start and injuries mount on other teams. Till then, don’t expect any moves. Not saying that they won’t happen, I just don’t expect it to.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 23, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

brown, Y.A. Tittle was a "mouth-breather"...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 23, 2010 11:20 AM


LOL!

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 23, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

"I think they're not getting offers THAT THEY LIKE because JC et al. just aren't very good."

I think it's much more about the lack of value being given out for the other players that have been moved this offseason. Santonio Holmes was moved for a 5th. Quentin Groves was moved for a 5th. Ted Ginn was moved for a 5th. Adam Carriker wasn't even moved for a 5th -- it was for a swap of 5th round picks. Even McNabb, for what you'd think would have to be given up for a pro-bowl QB, returned relatively low value. The notable exception was the Brandon Marshall trade.

It's not that Campbell, McIntosh, Haynesworth, Carter, or Landry aren't good. It's that the value of draft picks this season seem to be significantly inflated, compared to how Shanahan views them.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

So was David Greene...

Posted by: Stu27 | April 23, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Danny Wuerffel

Posted by: skinsfanintampa
____________________________________________
So was Gary Beban

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 23, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Getting worried about our JC & AH baggage. Haven't seen any draft-day trades involving players for pics, it's all been pics for pics. Hopefully today will be different. AH's huge and complicated contract appears to be scaring people off and JC? I don't know. Doubt we've been offered anything higher than a fourth or fifth for him. Need to pull something out of the hat.

Posted by: bones21 | April 23, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

so was Gino Torretta

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 23, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Since this draft is so “deep and loaded”, nobody wants to part with their picks, unless it’s for other picks. JC, AH, Rocky, whoever, will garner more value in the preseason once camps start and injuries mount on other teams. Till then, don’t expect any moves. Not saying that they won’t happen, I just don’t expect it to.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 23, 2010 11:29 AM

Good point...but keep in mind there are a few teams like Carolina and Jacksonville that have the coach/GM on the hot seat and may be willing to get some players they thing will help them win NOW and perhaps part with picks that they may or may not necessarily be around to use later. If I'm Bruce Allen, I'm making a nuisance of myself trying to get some picks off of Carolina since the Skins roster has no less than 4 guys that the Panthers have a need for.

Just a thought...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 23, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

AH's huge and complicated contract appears to be scaring people off and JC? I don't know. Doubt we've been offered anything higher than a fourth or fifth for him. Need to pull something out of the hat.

Posted by: bones21 | April 23, 2010 11:33 AM |

I wish you people would do some research before you post, AH's contract has only 9mil guaranteed over 3 years that is nothing for him. We eat the 21mil we just gave him not another team.

AH is not going anywhere because he was never going to be traded in the first place.

AH will start at DE!!!

Book it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 23, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Looking over this, I am begining to suspect that Mel, like Nostradamus, makes many different predictions over time

Posted by: dpc2003 | April 23, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Peoplearestupid1 > Mel Kiper > Nostradamus

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 23, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Is Runyan still avail while we are at it.

Posted by: Stu27 |

Nope.

Two words: Mo Elewanibi.

Posted by: TheCork | April 23, 2010 11:29 AM

Two more words: Congressman Runyan

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I can't figure out what was the more puzzling choice:

Jags trading up for Alualu (he almost certainly would have been there when they picked anyway).

Eagles trading up for Brandon Graham when Thomas was available.

Giants reinforcing probably their best unit with Pierre-Paul, when the could have had Weatherspooon to shore up the weakest part of their D.

I have too much respect for the Charger's GM to say that Matthews was a reach. They did have the worst rushing attack in the league..

Posted by: dpc2003 | April 23, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Looks like Shanahan and Allen are getting outflanked due to damage of prior admin and own wrong guesses.

*Couldn't move down out of 4th slot for more picks

*Haven't been able unload Haynesworth or Campbell to get more picks

*While they have a quality QB for next 2-3 years, maybe, could have had a promising developmental QB with 2nd round pick (McCoy or Clausen).

*Hence will likely cut Brennan, meaning QB corps is old, discards, don't wants etc.

*Tough guy attitude with Haynesworth blew up in faces.

*Switch to 3-4 leaves them woefully lacking at several positions, notably free safety, linebacker, other players fored to play out of position

*Trent Williams is a great get, but lack of OL depth, on line that has shown penchant for injury and underperformance, is worrisome.

*Continues to be team with many needs, and least amount of picks in NFL.

*Rest of NFC East got stronger with first round picks, and have more selections on Friday, while 'skins twiddle thumbs.

I hope to be proven wrong with brilliant trade today, but as of now, 'Skins are a long way from contending.

Posted by: TheCork | April 23, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

This is probably one of the top quotes of the year so far. Especially the part in bold.

A quote from the Jacksonville Jaguars' GM, Gene Smith:

"This is not a popularity contest,'' Smith told Peter King of SI.com. "I don't give a damn about perception. I care about picking the right player for our team. My attitude is, 'You can outsmart people some of the time, but you can outwork them all of the time.' If you can't trust your ability to judge players after all the work you put in on them, you shouldn't be in this business.''

Posted by: RedDMV | April 23, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

AH is not going anywhere because he was never going to be traded in the first place.

AH will start at DE!!!

Book it.

Posted by: Flounder21
__________________________________________
Hey Flounder,
Is the basis of your post that the FO has gone out and signed 23 NT's this off season?

And secondly, AH would be rather slow out on the DE wouldn't he?
I posted a month ago, he should work with a [Biggest Loser trainer] lose 40 pounds and he would be a study DE in a 3-4.
What do you think?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 23, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

with all due respect, and I'm saying with all due respect, that idea ain't worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin getting it on....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 23, 2010 10:54 AM

You keep using that phrase. I don't think it means what you think it means.

Posted by: skinswest | April 23, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: bones21 | April 23, 2010 11:33 AM


You may not see a draft pick for Campbell. The FO has done a great job in devaluing players like McIntosh, Carter whether directly or indirectly. They should have done a better job as selling them as system fits. No GM worth his salt is going to offer picks for guys that will more than likely be cut anyway.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 23, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Big sigh of relief last night.

As for trading Haynesworth, I sure hope they manage to keep him on the team and productive.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | April 23, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

If I'm Bruce Allen, I'm making a nuisance of myself trying to get some picks off of Carolina since the Skins roster has no less than 4 guys that the Panthers have a need for.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 23, 2010 11:35 AM

If I'm Carolina I'm changing my phone number.

Posted by: League-Source | April 23, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

AH will start at DE!!!

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 23, 2010 11:37 AM

I never understood why it was such a testosterone match about him having to play NT anyway. He's faster than most NTs (other than maybe Jay Ratliff) and, in most of those Orakpo crash down stunts, Hayneworth was playing a lot of DE anyway.

I know he doesn't WANT to play NT (and that Shanahan doesn't like ANY player making too much money), but I imagine he'll line up where they tell him to line up. The guy has rage issues that he needs to take out on opposing teams on a weekly basis. 3-4 DE/NT/inside LB ... keep em guessing. They'll do fine if they can't get value for him and he stays.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

So said for all of you that decided to watch on ESPN. NFL TV had the best lineup, and the sound effects were much more superior to ESPN's.


Posted by: LarryInClintonMD

I stayed with NFL until they handed the mike off to Deion "I love Me some Deion" Sanders post-pick self-serving interviews.

Oh and who watches a draft show for good sound effects? Now if they'd had some Warner Brothers cartoon noises, THAT would be worth it, tho.

Posted by: TheCork | April 23, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

paskinsfan

"We drafted a mediocre prospect then we complained that he was in fact mediocre. Only in delusoinal skinsfanland does this pass as rational."


If you remember, we were all caught up in the glow of St Joe's personnel decisions.

We couldn't see straight because the rules of adoration require you not to question an '80s hero who brought rings and mythology into the redskins' homestead.

So when Joe made the move to get Campbell, we allayed our hopes with his judgement.

We wanted to believe that the guy who satisfied before could do it again.

Thing is, he couldn't.

Joe had things so right in the '80s, but not necessarily so the second time around.

Now, St Joe was wrong about Jason Campbell, and is now gone.

And soon, J Campbell and our hopes for him will be, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Flounder -
"AH's contract has only 9mil guaranteed over 3 years that is nothing for him. We eat the 21mil we just gave him not another team."

That's true. But as a part of the deal I'd bet Skins are trying to get another team to supplement part of that bonus money we just tossed out the window. No one's biting.

Posted by: bones21 | April 23, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

AH was too fat last year. If he gets into good cardio shape, he'll lose the weight.

AH is a reh-tard. Moving to NT is his golden opportunity to gain another 30 pounds and not have to run anywhere on the football field. He should be ecstatic.

Posted by: dpc2003 | April 23, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

ooops that was supposed to read
if AH were 40 pounds lighter he would be a "stud" DE in a 3-4

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 23, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

You may not see a draft pick for Campbell. The FO has done a great job in devaluing players like McIntosh, Carter whether directly or indirectly. They should have done a better job as selling them as system fits. No GM worth his salt is going to offer picks for guys that will more than likely be cut anyway.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 23, 2010 11:41 AM |

Niether of those guys will be cut, and I have never seen anything from Shanny saying they want to trade them.

You guys make to much of the 3-4 change, the have said on numerouse occasions that they will use a mixture of 3-4 and 4-3.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 23, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Have it on good authority that the Vikings were ready to sign a deal yesterday that would have moved AH92 to Minneapolis in exchange for a second round pick and future considerations. All they needed was for AH92 to initial off on the deal.

Word then came back through AH92's agent that while his client was not opposed to the deal -- that is, provided he got every cent of his guaranteed money from the Redskins -- AH92 has expressly stated that he will not be signing anything until August, and then only if it's a paycheck.

Posted by: Vic1 | April 23, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I hope to be proven wrong with brilliant trade today, but as of now, 'Skins are a long way from contending.

you're a smart guy corky, I mean, based on what you've listed they'll suck for a long time, so why do you continue to waste your time following the team, and posting on here....I don't get it.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 23, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Oh and who watches a draft show for good sound effects? Now if they'd had some Warner Brothers cartoon noises, THAT would be worth it, tho.
Posted by: TheCork | April 23, 2010 11:44 AM

I was thinking all week that for announcing the skins first pick they would have just played the “Merrie Melodies” theme video and put the players face where Buggs Bunny’s face usually pops up……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 23, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I can't figure out what was the more puzzling choice:

Jags trading up for Alualu (he almost certainly would have been there when they picked anyway).

Eagles trading up for Brandon Graham when Thomas was available.

Giants reinforcing probably their best unit with Pierre-Paul, when the could have had Weatherspooon to shore up the weakest part of their D.

I have too much respect for the Charger's GM to say that Matthews was a reach. They did have the worst rushing attack in the league..

Posted by: dpc2003 | April 23, 2010 11:40 AM

For the unexplainably large amount of money that has to get spent on a first round guy, you gotta pick the guy you really think is the best player available. I gotta believe that Shanahallen really think Williams was the best player available, i.e., that between Okung and Williams and Berry, Williams was the "best" within their respective position groups.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Hey Flounder,
Is the basis of your post that the FO has gone out and signed 23 NT's this off season?


Ok come on now we have signed one that is one and only one NT. Maake is the only player we signed that would actually start an NFL game at NT. Every one else is just various fillers. In fact besides Maake the only other true 3-4 guy we signed that could have value is Carriker at the 3-4 end spot.

Posted by: Stu27 | April 23, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

If you remember, we were all caught up in the glow of St Joe's personnel decisions.

We couldn't see straight because the rules of adoration require you not to question an '80s hero who brought rings and mythology into the redskins' homestead.

So when Joe made the move to get Campbell, we allayed our hopes with his judgement.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2010 11:45 AM

Things are completely different now with Shanahan here, um, er, cough, hmmmmm ...

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

WE ARE FIXING THE O-LINE
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Posted by: alex35332 | April 23, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

The biggest lesson Shanny and Bruce Allen are learning during this Draft is how much Snyder is disliked around the league by the other owners.
AH, JC, AC, RM.. trade deals should be in place by now...but, most owners do not want to "bail out" Dan Snyder from his mistakes or assist him in rebuilding the Skins.... Last year, was another revealing moment to support this point, when Snyder unsuccessfully and desperately called other teams to trade JC for a 3rd rounder to create a package for moving up to acquire Sanchez.
The owners told Snyder to beat sand.. And Bruce Allen and Shanny are sadly seeing this, first hand, when their phone calls are not being returned.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 23, 2010 10:00 AM

This is a strange view of things. Nobody ever does business with another team to "bail them out" or "assist" their rebuilding efforts. The Vikings and Lions worked out a trade last night. They did that because they like each other so well? No. They did it for the same reason everyone does business...they thought they had reached a deal that served their purposes and furthered their cause. Anybody that refused to do business with a team over personal dislike would be unprofessional and silly. Besides, if they disliked Snyder, wouldn't they enjoy besting him in a deal? God knows...enough have over the years.

Posted by: MColeman51 | April 23, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

AH is not going anywhere because he was never going to be traded in the first place.

AH will start at DE!!!

Book it.

Posted by: Flounder21

I think you just called Mike Shanahan a Eunuch.

Good football coaches are like military commanders, you don't earn the respect and devotion of your men by allowing your orders to be ignored.

It's silly to think Shanahan would risk his authority by letting Haynesworth dictate when he will pratice, where he will work out, and what position he will play, while the rest of the team is expected to follow orders.

That may make for a nice Kibbutz or hippie enclave, but it's not such a good atmosphere for a military unit or football team.

Yeah,. Haynesworth may end up playing DT in the 4-3 and DE in the 3-4, in which case Snyder can start his search for his new coach, because Shanahan has lost this team.

Posted by: TheCork | April 23, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Hey Stu,
Agreed.
But I never said all the NT had value.
I was simply saying we have signed so many hoping to keep two of them, let them rotate, and play fresh is my guess.
If AH would lose 40 lbs. I'd love to see him as a 3-4 DE.
But if he comes in again at 350 lbs put his big rear at NT and if doesn't want to play fine is butttttt

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 23, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Being that Shanny really likes fast athletic O linemen that are highly versatile, if Marshal Newhouse is still there when we pick in the fourth, he would be another great addition. He could play RT, G or C. Sort of a Raleigh McKenzie type for those who remember.

He had one of the fastest 40 times in the combine for Guards, which is pretty good for a guy who is 6-3 325.

Posted by: edvar | April 23, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I hope to be proven wrong with brilliant trade today, but as of now, 'Skins are a long way from contending.

Posted by: TheCork | April 23, 2010 11:40 AM


I'm sorry, were you under the impression this ship was getting turned around in one year? I mean, this is a rebuilding effort here. With a strong showing in next year's draft and FA, they could be contenders in 2011. I don't know what your expectations are for 2010, but I expected to see this team lay the foundation and make a competitive march toward the .500 mark. I would call that a good 1st season under the new regime.

Geez man, even I don't go all killjoy on people until training camp...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 23, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

but as of now, 'Skins are a long way from contending.

Yep. McNabb and, one hopes, better coaching and game management makes them more competitive. We won't be seeing any games where the offense is just non-existent. They won't be scoring 35+ points but they won't go entire halves with 1 or 2 first downs.

But as to a contender? Not yet. And I just don't see where they have the resources this year to make any more signficant upgrades.

Further upgrades on the O-line maybe. But O-line and elsewhere? Nope.

My hunch is it's still a 3-year project.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 23, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

The Vikings and Lions worked out a trade last night. They did that because they like each other so well? No.

Posted by: MColeman51 | April 23, 2010 11:55 AM

I totally agree with the point about business being business. Vkings/Lions wasn't even the biggest truce deal last night ... not only did Dallas and Miami work a trade, you could see Jerry Jones and Bill Parcells actually speaking with each other to do the deal directly.

If they were in the same room and were working a mutually beneficial deal, I bet Al Davis and Mike Shanahan could have french kissed.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

What about AH & JC for both of the Vikings 2nds and TJ for kicks. sounds fair to me.

Posted by: boysheadcoach | April 23, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Cant believe the cowboys got Dez That does not bode well for us.
Also out of all the 1st rounders taken JPP might be the player with the highest upside. JUCO transfer with one year at USF. This is a very NYG pick. I wont be surprised when JPP puts it all together and dominates. Fing Cowgirls!!!

Posted by: Stu27 | April 23, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I hope to be proven wrong with brilliant trade today, but as of now, 'Skins are a long way from contending.

you're a smart guy corky, I mean, based on what you've listed they'll suck for a long time, so why do you continue to waste your time following the team, and posting on here....I don't get it.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Here's a surprise, Beans, has opted for the personal attack instead of dealing with the valid issues I raised.

You see, this is a place where ideas are supposed to be exchanged, along with the insults, and again you let me and the rest of us down.

But I'll answer your question:

Because I don't cut and run.

I've been a fan since the Mike Nixon era. I've been at RFK when Pat Richter placed an end zone punt directly into the ass of his blocker. And I've been at RFK when Billy Kilmer wobbled a Mallard into the waiting arms of C. Taylor against Dallas on New Year's Eve, and thus cinched a Super bowl appearance.

I'm a fan, but I'm also a critic. When i see something right (the Trent Williams pick, for instance) I'll mention it. When I see something appear to go wrong, I'll criticize it.

And then, fan that I am, I'll say I hope my negative analysis is wrong, and the 'skins make a good move.

So instead of cheesy insults, why don't you go back to your favorite Boston activity, head into a traffic circle and see how many old ladies you can drive off the road.

A reminder: When you need a Pollyanne fix, two words: Redskins Dot Con. Er, Com.

Posted by: TheCork | April 23, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

If they were in the same room and were working a mutually beneficial deal, I bet Al Davis and Mike Shanahan could have french kissed.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 12:06 PM

But they wouldn't show it on TV. Not that there's anything wrong with it. "Cut to commercial." Business before pleasure.

Posted by: League-Source | April 23, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

"...but as of now, 'Skins are a long way from contending..."


As are most of the teams in the league.

So what you hope for is the collection of a group of guys who can be competitve week in and week out.

Then, if the stars align like they did over Nawlins this past year, you hope for that special group that overcomes mistakes and takes advantages of those made by others.

You are not suppoed to win every year.

You just want to be a team that scores and defend well.

And for right now, that's the most we can hope for.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Where is 4thFloor?

My guess is probably in the house under the covers with the shades drawn with a stench of boiling crow coming from his kitchen...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 23, 2010 8:58 AM

How you figure?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 23, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

REPOST:

It's not like we all didn't know in advance that AH92 was only one more domestic incident or kick to the helmet away from a season-long or longer suspension from the league -- but the Redskins rewarded him nonetheless -- with $42 million guaranteed -- and the possibility of much more if he ever performs as hoped.

From AH92's perspective, he has already gotten $32 million for doing the absolute minimum -- and the chance to "earn" another $9 million if he actually shows up for his "mandatory" work outs.

And for all of that guaranteed money, AH92 apparently gets to dictate if, where, when and even how he'll play -- or not -- and damn the coaches if they feel or say anything to the contrary.

It reminds me of an issue that Sea World had a couple months back when Shamu killed (yet) another trainer.

The question became, do you euthanize the whale because he is a dangerous repeat offender who really can't be trusted around people and can’t be released back into the wild, or do you just accept the fact that he is what he is -- and largely because that's the way you "made" him.

I think the Sea World execs eventually decided to accept Shamu for what he is -- and just warned their trainers to be extra careful around him. I don't know whether he has gone back to doing public performances, but it wouldn't surprise me if he did.

The point of the story is that the next time you see AH92 is flopping around the turf like a beached whale – as we inevitably will -- you can only laugh at the fact that while you can't train him and you can't coach him, you can continue to blame those who allow and enable him to be what he is.

All in all, it kind of makes me want to go out and buy another AH92 jersey – perhaps a road white to match the home burgundy.

Posted by: Vic1 | April 23, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

You can root for the team, hope they do well, but also recognize that a 4-12 team with few picks and a thin FA crop will continue to struggle.

They can only substantively address one or two areas at a time. Other teams are competing for the goodies out there.

Yeah, fan is short for "fanatic" but there are limits to one's fanatisicm.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 23, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Cork, The and SteveMG, and brownwood, look, the draft isn't even over yet.

How can you even be making any projections about the season after one night of picks of guys who have not taken a snap?

Right now, rosters are nowhere near complete, and every team is undefeated with 53 guys getting full-time money to play football professionally. The line between worst and first is razor thin. The winners are never as good as they look and the losers never as bad as they look. Way too many games get decided by injuries and officiating.

Right now, all the Skins have to do is beat Dallas in Week One. We can worry about Week Two when we get there.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

So instead of cheesy insults, why don't you go back to your favorite Boston activity, head into a traffic circle and see how many old ladies you can drive off the road.

Posted by: TheCork | April 23, 2010 12:07 PM

Pathetically weak effort. I'm awarding this round to BeantownGreg.

BeantownGreg 1
TheCork 0

Posted by: League-Source | April 23, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I think you just called Mike Shanahan a Eunuch.
Good football coaches are like military commanders, you don't earn the respect and devotion of your men by allowing your orders to be ignored.
It's silly to think Shanahan would risk his authority by letting Haynesworth dictate when he will pratice, where he will work out, and what position he will play, while the rest of the team is expected to follow orders.
That may make for a nice Kibbutz or hippie enclave, but it's not such a good atmosphere for a military unit or football team.
Yeah,. Haynesworth may end up playing DT in the 4-3 and DE in the 3-4, in which case Snyder can start his search for his new coach, because Shanahan has lost this team.
Posted by: TheCork | April 23, 2010 11:55 AM


Jim Brown wouldn’t block. Period. Not for his QB, backfield mate, downfield on pass plays. Nothing. I doubt his coaches told him that this was what they wanted. They looked the other way on this, and never “lost the team”. They won a few league championships methinks. Not saying AH = JB, but some guys with elite talent can get allowed certain excusable that others aren’t.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 23, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, were you under the impression this ship was getting turned around in one year? I mean, this is a rebuilding effort here....

Posted by: brownwood26


Some clues made me think Shanahan wanted to win NOW.

Signing a QB with a year or two's worth of tred on his tires.

Signing not one but TWO interum RBs.

Switching to a 3-4 overnight, instead of easing into it when the personnel support the system.

Bringing in ancient/injured NTs.

Getting stop gap backup OLinemen.

Knowing you boss has a notoriously quick trigger finger and will can your butt when he zones in on his next Shiny object.

Just reading tea-leaves.

Posted by: TheCork | April 23, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

You can root for the team, hope they do well, but also recognize that a 4-12 team with few picks and a thin FA crop will continue to struggle.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 23, 2010 12:12 PM

Ideally, the new coach of that same 4-12 would not call for a fake field goal twice in the same season, and if he does, not call the same play after the other team calls for a time out. Hip hip hurray!

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

So with the signing of a new LT and our new RB corps. Can we look forward to not having the worst run game in the NFL next year?

That to me is a bigger issue than McNabb and the passing game.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 23, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

First to say... F Dan Snyder for taking away the pension plan from regular employees... your a class act!!!

Posted by: tony325 | April 23, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

How can you even be making any projections about the season after one night of picks of guys who have not taken a snap?

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 12:12 PM


I'm not making predictions...all I said was that this thing is a work in progress and I don't have high expectations for this year. Cork was talking like we're doomed to another 4-12 type season and I disagree with that. I think this team will be more competitive, but there's more holes than will likely be addressed in one year.

I save my predictions for preseason. But I'd be surprised if this team isn't somewhere near .500 after it's all said and done.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 23, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

'cause you're a bama like that...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 23, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

"How can you even be making any projections about the season after one night of picks of guys who have not taken a snap?"

Rumor and prediction is all we have today.

Fans in other blogs are readying up for round 2 of the draft.

Us?: we ain't got nothing but two pieces of bread and a wish for meat.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Now let's make a move for one of these 3 players:

Jamaal Brown
Jared Gaither
Flozell Adams

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Stay far far far away from Flozell Adams...he is always hurt and was really bad at times last season.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 23, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

The second round starts an hour and a half earlier tonight! Wooo hooo! Now let's move some Skins' players out of here so I can get down to some serious staring at my computer screen tonight ...

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Did Gibbs 1.0 lose his team when Joey T. went to him after game 5, and basically told him your offense sucks and will not work here.

Did Gibbs 2.0 lose the team when Sean Taylor failed to return his phone calls. Gibbs 2.0 made a lot of bad choices but there is no questioning that those guys played hard for him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 23, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Now let's make a move for one of these 3 players:

Jamaal Brown
Jared Gaither
Flozell Adams

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Stay far far far away from Flozell Adams...he is always hurt and was really bad at times last season.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 23, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

we ain't got nothing but two pieces of bread and a wish for meat.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2010 12:24 PM

bow bow bow

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

"So with the signing of a new LT and our new RB corps. Can we look forward to not having the worst run game in the NFL next year?"


We will run power to the right, and the stretch to the left.

We should kill with the inside zone play over Williams.

Dock can pull.

I don't think we have good screen blocking type linemen, though.

And pairing Parker and Portis should give us a solid one-two punch.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

OK Cork, categorically:


"Some clues made me think Shanahan wanted to win NOW.

Signing a QB with a year or two's worth of tred on his tires."

--I'd be shocked if McNabb isn't playing at a high level for the next 3-5 years. Every argument against McNabb is the same argument you heard against Elway before Shanahan showed up. Not saying the story will end the same, but it's far from a lock that McNabb will suddenly fall to pieces.

"Signing not one but TWO interum RBs."

Both of which to one year deals. Which means they'll address more important positions and not go gunnin' for RBs in this draft with only 4 to use. The likelihood is that all 3 will be gone come 2011 and we'll have a nice new young stud ready to carry the ground game for the long haul.

"Switching to a 3-4 overnight, instead of easing into it when the personnel support the system."

Everytime I've heard Shanahan or Haslett address the defense, they've said that they're going to a 3-4 and still using quite a few 4-3 looks. Sounds like an "easing into it" to me.

"Bringing in ancient/injured NTs."

All of which for pennies on the dollar in an uncapped year. Gotta line up options in case Haynesworth gets testy or for leverage in a trade (hypothetically pfunk, calm down dude).

"Getting stop gap backup OLinemen."

On top of adding starting O-line help, they also need depth. Outside of drafting Williams, everyone else we've signed appears to be for depth.

"Knowing you boss has a notoriously quick trigger finger and will can your butt when he zones in on his next Shiny object."

Can't argue that...but I'm willing to give him another chance to prove he's REALLY changed now that Vinny's gone. It'll take a couple years, but that's not a call you can make one way or the other until at least 2012.

Look, I'm as harsh a critic of the Skins as anyone here. But what you're doing is pessimism, not "reality". You're punch drunk from years of mismanagement same as me and I truly get that. But this is a new FO, new coach, new lease on life. Until this group fails, I'm taking the glass half full approach.

You should give it a shot.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 23, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

On the topic of rebuilding, I agree with the Cork: the moves made in the offseason are not rebuilding moves. If you're rebuilding you would never trade the 2nd round pick for McNabb.

Nor do you sign a pair of aged RB to back up an aged RB.

They think they can contend now. I disagree with Cork: Shanahanallen isn't taking this route because they're afraid of getting canned. They're pretty marketable in the NFL, and this isn't desperation time.

Instead, I think they believe that the team underperformed last year.

Offensively, that a big part of the problem was at QB, and that the OL is in much better shape than some think. The receiving corps is solid, and RB needs depth rather than starting over.

Defensively, lack of pressure on the QB made the secondary look worse than it was, and that changing to a 3-4 will get them more sacks/hurries.

So, put those tweaks together, and they're ready to make a run at the playoffs.

If Shan-a-hana-a-len thought the team needed to be blown up and rebuilt, they would have told Snyder so. If he didn't agree, why they simply wouldn't have taken the jobs. Seriously, they can find work elsewhere if they had to...

Shanahan has a fever... I'm sure the guy will be driven to prove that never should have been fired in Denver.

Posted by: dpc2003 | April 23, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Re projections.

Well, this is a sports blog where folks bloviate about how great, awful and in between their team is and the moves they made.

I mean, we're all guessing and hoping and pulling stuff out of our nether regions.

At least I am.

Second, this is a 4-12 team. They were awful last year and all of it, in my view, wasn't just coaching.

So, you take a mediocre team and add a few draft choices (sorry, I just don't think they're going to pickup any more in this draft; teams just don't want to give them up), a solid QB and a thin FA crowd and that's just not - right now - the making of a contender.

Other teams are improving too.

Will they be more competitive? Yeah, they have to be.

A contender? Not now.

But that's my opinion which is about as credible as those here who insist they are a contender.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 23, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 23, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Some people only know how to be self-righteous drama mongering a**holes.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 23, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

"Posted by: TheCork | April 23, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse"

It seems to me that most of your points wouldn't make the skins any closer to contending than they are right now.

-unloading Haynesworth and Campbell for more picks won't make the Redskins better this year (or within the next 3 years).

-getting a promising developmental QB like Clausen or McCoy likely wouldn't make the Redskins better this year (or within 3 years).

-cutting Brennan is, well, a lateral move. youth doesn't make a difference without talent. keeping him on the roster doesn't make the redskins better this year (or within 3 years).

-tough guy attitude with haynesworth did blow up in our face...but it also means haynesworth will be playing for us next season (thus making the redksins better this year, and likely for the next 3, should he stay).

-switch to the 3-4 actually did not leave them thin at LB and FS. FS is thin regardless of switch, LB was just as thin, if not moreso, in the 4-3 (Orakpo and Wilson were playing out of position in 4-3, but not in the 3-4).

-OL depth is a concern, but the FO made a major stride yesterday in acquiring a (hopeful) long-time anchor.

-List of needs now stands at FS, ILB, and OL depth. Not a long list at all, IMO. And no team begins a season completely sound at every position.

-The rest of the NFC East stayed largely static by reinforcing strengths instead of improving weaknesses (Dallas takes yet another stab at a pass-catcher after whiffing on RWilliams and MBennett, and the Giants add a 4th DE to their already stacked 3-man rotation -- only 2 of which play at a time, generally speaking) The exception is the Eagles, who got noticeably weaker this offseason (but do make up for it with draft picks).

Meanwhile, by my count, the Redskins went from an offense that featured Jim Zorn, Jason Campbell, Quinton Ganther, and Stephon Heyer to an offense that features Mike and Kyle Shanahan, Donovan McNabb, Portis/Johnson/Parker, and Trent Williams. No NFC East team even scratches the surface of the total improvement the Redskins have amassed.

And the offseason isn't over yet.

I'd say this team is very close to contending.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I'd say this team is very close to contending.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2010 12:41 PM

Well done. I'm awarding this round to psps23.

psps23 - 1
TheCork - 0

Posted by: League-Source | April 23, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Everyone this is what happens when you try to make a RT a LT. Cant pick up simple zone blocks bc lateral movement is poor. Welcome to DC Trent Williams, Sexy Rexy hope you are ready for action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPMaEMvtO-Y&feature=related

Posted by: ThePat | April 23, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

"Us?: we ain't got nothing but two pieces of bread and a wish for meat."

But even so, we could trade that "hand sandwich" for the former starting QB of your favorite NFL franchise.

Posted by: Vic1 | April 23, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Mock 5.0 is complete!!!

1. Bradford
2. Okung
3. McCoy
4. Trent Williams


(BArring any further trades from the Rams or Redskins)

Book it!

(4th's note: previous Mock was based on having the 2 round pick and/or the Skins trading players for more picks to obtain a LT further in the draft)

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 12:56 PM

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/donovan-mcnabb/trade-is-like-a-rebirth-for-mc.html

Y'all wanna keep hating on me?? Despite the fact I bring the truth? Keep it coming...I see why y'all try to knock a brotha down.....3 out of 4 makes me a bad MoFo....Especially since I have been saying McCoy>>Suh......

Posted by: 4thFloor

You're bragging on getting 3 out of 4??!!! Not trying to knock you down, but that's some pretty weak stuff to be standing up about.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 23, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Personally I think its great we have a FO now that actually fixes problem areas.

Also I would like to thank the Oakland Raiders for not only completely screwing up the Giants draft but for causing the iggles to spend a large amount of draft picks to move up and take a DE that for all intents and purposes adds nothing to their defense that they didn't already have.

Thank you Mr. Davis, May your draft skills keep you around for years.

Posted by: Buckleycj | April 23, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

"I think they're not getting offers THAT THEY LIKE because JC et al. just aren't very good."

I think it's much more about the lack of value being given out for the other players that have been moved this offseason. Santonio Holmes was moved for a 5th. Quentin Groves was moved for a 5th. Ted Ginn was moved for a 5th. Adam Carriker wasn't even moved for a 5th -- it was for a swap of 5th round picks. Even McNabb, for what you'd think would have to be given up for a pro-bowl QB, returned relatively low value. The notable exception was the Brandon Marshall trade.

It's not that Campbell, McIntosh, Haynesworth, Carter, or Landry aren't good. It's that the value of draft picks this season seem to be significantly inflated, compared to how Shanahan views them.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2010 11:31 AM


Totally agree with this. Teams that have traded picks in the past week have gotten great value. ernie sims, a starting LB, for a 5th round pick? That's just silly.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 23, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

"On the topic of rebuilding, I agree with the Cork: the moves made in the offseason are not rebuilding moves. If you're rebuilding you would never trade the 2nd round pick for McNabb. Nor do you sign a pair of aged RB to back up an aged RB."

Agreed, but I think the new FO figured to bring in older players who were better than the older players they jettisoned from the roster.

Perhaps they chose to fill some of the holes in the roster rather to tearing the whole team down and starting from scratch.

We'll have an older backfield playing in front of a re-vamped line.

We'll have a new defensive scheme with a bunch of new tackles.

And hopefully, in round 4, we'll find a nice linebacker who can play inside and out.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Everyone this is what happens when you try to make a RT a LT. Cant pick up simple zone blocks bc lateral movement is poor. Welcome to DC Trent Williams, Sexy Rexy hope you are ready for action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPMaEMvtO-Y&feature=related

Posted by: ThePat | April 23, 2010 12:48 PM |

All that video shows is the guy had two people coming on a blitz and the DE to take. The formation had no one in the backfield to pick up the blitz, but your so smart it was all Trent Williams fault.

From what I saw the guy he did pick up got knocked down.

Since I've never seen you post here your probably one of those cowgirl fans, why don't you go make sure Dez Bryant brings his cleats to training camp. If the cowgirls can sign him by then.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 23, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I hope the Skins draft OT Tony Washington with the 4th round pick - another athletic tackle to bookend with Williams.

Posted by: coparker5 | April 23, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

And for right now, that's the most we can hope for.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2010 12:10 PM |

We can also hope for fewer feeble-minded posts like yours on RI.

Posted by: ElDrano | April 23, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Everyone this is what happens when you try to make a RT a LT. Cant pick up simple zone blocks bc lateral movement is poor. Welcome to DC Trent Williams, Sexy Rexy hope you are ready for action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPMaEMvtO-Y&feature=related
Posted by: ThePat | April 23, 2010 12:48 PM |

I can’t access youtube at work….is this a video of the 50 touchdowns that they scored this year, mostly with a redshirt freshman QB?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 23, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I thought ESPN's coverage yesterday was disjointed and strained at best and embarrassingly acrimonious at worst.

Steve Young continuously talked over others, filibustered, and made really really really stupid and argumentative comments often trying to win a debate with the other analysts. He would never let it go, and let another member have the last comment on a particular topic. Yeah, he was that guy.

TJack got sick of it first, Gruden tried to remain a professional but his effort waned late, and Kiper couldn't get a word in edgewise. Boomer was trying to keep it glued together, but knew Young was ruining the telecast. And HE WOULD JUST NOT SHUT UP. EVER.

ESPN has to be smart enough to sh it can young pronto.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 23, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Some clues made me think Shanahan wanted to win NOW.

Posted by: TheCork | April 23, 2010 12:17 PM

What kind of d-bag coach actually wants to WIN?

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Nor do you sign a pair of aged RB to back up an aged RB.

Posted by: dpc2003 | April 23, 2010 12:35 PM |

Hey, when you get to the point where you have three turd RBs you can officially declare your running game a dump.

Posted by: ElDrano | April 23, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

From the sounds of things, I'm lucky I watched the draft on the NFL Network instead of ESPN. I might have become unglued if I had to deal with Steve Young all evening.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 23, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

All that video shows is the guy had two people coming on a blitz and the DE to take.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 23, 2010 12:55

It was also Williams' first game at left tackle. His improvement at the position over the course of the year is one of the things that got Mayock buzzing about him. I'm sure he (Williams) has watched the film of that particular snap several hundreds of times, at least in his head. Having that happen to your QB on a guy you let through can't go away very easily. Question is what you do with it once its tattoed in your memory ....

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

It did suck Matt. NFL Net isn't an option here on Oahu.

Deion though.... yikes.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 23, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I thought ESPN's coverage yesterday was disjointed and strained at best and embarrassingly acrimonious at worst ...

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 23, 2010 1:00 PM |

Hey, you failed to notice the worst - Gruden's hair made him look like real dork.

Posted by: ElDrano | April 23, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I live in a no NFL Net area as well....I just tune out the talking heads and follow the news...although chasing around an 18 month old while watching...well lets just say I lose some nuance of the broadcast....

Can we stop with video of the time Williams gets beat....HORRORS...linemen get beat on some snaps...

Posted by: chrislarry | April 23, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

...the OL is in much better shape than some think.

Posted by: dpc2003 | April 23, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse
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...the OL is in much better shape than some think.

Posted by: dpc2003 | April 23, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse
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...the OL is in much better shape than some think.

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I'm just sayin...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 23, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that most of your points wouldn't make the skins any closer to contending than they are right now.

-unloading Haynesworth and Campbell for more picks won't make the Redskins better this year (or within the next 3 years).

AGREE

-getting a promising developmental QB like Clausen or McCoy likely wouldn't make the Redskins better this year (or within 3 years).

AGREE

-cutting Brennan is, well, a lateral move. youth doesn't make a difference without talent. keeping him on the roster doesn't make the redskins better this year (or within 3 years).

AGREE

-tough guy attitude with haynesworth did blow up in our face...but it also means haynesworth will be playing for us next season (thus making the redksins better this year, and likely for the next 3, should he stay).

DISAGREE -- Haynesworth WAS here last year and played well. If he left we'd be worse.

-switch to the 3-4 actually did not leave them thin at LB and FS. FS is thin regardless of switch, LB was just as thin, if not moreso, in the 4-3 (Orakpo and Wilson were playing out of position in 4-3, but not in the 3-4).

DISAGREE because if you have 2 LBs and need 3, you're missing 1. If you need 4, you're missing 2. Math and such. Orakpo should be playing with his hand down.

-OL depth is a concern, but the FO made a major stride yesterday in acquiring a (hopeful) long-time anchor.

AGREE, sort of. One big step doesn't fix 4 problems.

-List of needs now stands at FS, ILB, and OL depth. Not a long list at all, IMO. And no team begins a season completely sound at every position.

DISAGREE. 1 OL pick didn't fix 4 problems. RB is a problem and our WRs are unproven.

-The rest of the NFC East stayed largely static by reinforcing strengths instead of improving weaknesses

Meanwhile, by my count, the Redskins went from an offense that featured Jim Zorn, Jason Campbell, Quinton Ganther, and Stephon Heyer to an offense that features Mike and Kyle Shanahan, Donovan McNabb, Portis/Johnson/Parker, and Trent Williams. No NFC East team even scratches the surface of the total improvement the Redskins have amassed.

MIXED. Definite upgrades at coach and QB. RB? Our 3 man RB rotation had exactly 1 rushing TD in 400 carries last year. Ganther had 3. Heyer may still be a starter. philly had a young team. They will be better if they are right about kolb.

Posted by: psps23

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 23, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

McCoy holds numerous NCAA and Big 12 records, including most starts, most WINS...Dude is a winner..

Posted by: frak | April 23, 2010 10:35 AM

So was David Greene...

Posted by: Stu27 | April 23, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Danny Wuerffel

Posted by: skinsfanintampa

Heh, Wuerffel, the 30 year old senior..I'd take McCoy over Claussen, just mouth-breathin'.."YOU ARE NOT A JEDI YET.."

Posted by: frak | April 23, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

The ESPN team is awful. Young being the worst. But if you think Berman is easy to deal with, check out youtube clips of Berman off camera. "Berman blows his top", "Berman & drugs", "Berman's potty mouth".. etc. Guy is a pretty big d-bag.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 23, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

That's true. But as a part of the deal I'd bet Skins are trying to get another team to supplement part of that bonus money we just tossed out the window. No one's biting.

Posted by: bones21 | April 23, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

That's never been an option as it is against NFL rules.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 23, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

a point counter point between psp23 and zesty is 175% percent likely to drive up the RI word and post count 518%

Posted by: chrislarry | April 23, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Here's a surprise, Beans, has opted for the personal attack instead of dealing with the valid issues I raised.

Where did I insult you? Or does trying to play the victim just come naturally?

"you're a smart guy corky, I mean, based on what you've listed they'll suck for a long time, so why do you continue to waste your time following the team, and posting on here....I don't get it"

"So instead of cheesy insults"

Where is the insult, I said you were a smart guy, and I didn't understand why you'd waste your time.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 23, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

We can also hope for fewer feeble-minded posts like yours on RI.

Posted by: ElDrano

Mr. Drano, I would poke fun at your comments, but since it's not proper to insult the handicapped, I won't.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Those berman clips actually made me like him more...

Posted by: chrislarry | April 23, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Deion though.... yikes.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 23, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse
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Deion wins the Charlie Murphey behavalike contest. But his ridiculous pretentiousness was at least mostly soaked up by the genuine awe of the moment that most of the top picks displayed.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 23, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Even McNabb, for what you'd think would have to be given up for a pro-bowl QB, returned relatively low value.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2010 11:31 AM |

The Eagles got good value for McNabb. Pro Bowl was yesteryear. The dude is well past his prime and probably has at most two good years left in the tank. Were it not for the Skins and their dire need for a QB the Eagles wouldn't have gotten even a 2nd rounder for him, let alone a high second rounder.

Posted by: ElDrano | April 23, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

where are all the draft picks for the great jason campbell????????????????????????????????????????????????

Posted by: cavalieri10 | April 23, 2010 9:23 AM
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I think its more of an indictment of Snyder, by the other NFL owners, than JC.
(does this make me a JC apologist?)

The biggest lesson Shanny and Bruce Allen are learning during this Draft is how much Snyder is disliked around the league by the other owners.
AH, JC, AC, RM.. trade deals should be in place by now...but, most owners do not want to "bail out" Dan Snyder from his mistakes or assist him in rebuilding the Skins.... Last year, was another revealing moment to support this point, when Snyder unsuccessfully and desperately called other teams to trade JC for a 3rd rounder to create a package for moving up to acquire Sanchez.
The owners told Snyder to beat sand.. And Bruce Allen and Shanny are sadly seeing this, first hand, when their phone calls are not being returned.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 23, 2010 10:00 AM |

I think it's more of an indication that the other teams think that the 'Skins will eventually cut JC, and then they can pick him up for less than the 3 mil. + that he is currently due to earn, and no compensation to the 'Skins.

I don't buy your theory that other teams won't deal with the 'Skins because their owners hate DS. ....Second, most of the other teams in the league (certainly most of the well-run teams) don't appear to have owners who meddle in the teams' personnel matters,

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Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 23, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

"I thought ESPN's coverage yesterday was disjointed and strained at best and embarrassingly acrimonious at worst."


ESPN should re-vamp it's coverage to include fewer experts, and tone down the graphics and lights.

I'd also suggest they retire T Jackson, S Young, and promote another guy to lead the football broadcast as Berman's whole game has gone way past corny.

The disneyfication of ESPN turned me off years ago.

It's a network I choose not to watch.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

beantown, MColeman51, rbpalmer..

To clarify the point.. Snyder has been unofficially "non persona grata" with the other Owners ever since he blew up the Head Coaches and Assistant Coaches salaries with his Gibbs and Gregg Williams Contracts 5 years ago (quadrupled the existing base). And we well know the players salaries that he escalated in the Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders deals..
As an agent explained once; The owners had a glass ceiling on the uncapped Coaches salaries (HC, AC) and Snyder's mancrush on getting Gibbs out of retirement took an average salary from 1 Mil to 3-5 Mil. Same thing he did with Free Agents he sorely coveted.. From Bruce Smith to Haynesworth.. Snyder has cost owners millions of dollars.. And the coaches salaries come out of a different cost center that I believe are from the operational profits.. This can kill a small market team.

Add to that, about a year after Snyder blew up the Head Coaches and Assistant HC's salary with Gibbs, he stepped forward with Jerry Jones to state that the NFL revenue sharing model which supports the smaller market teams is unfair and unbalanced. Basically saying to most of the other 30 team owners.. Jerry and I dont want to share in this manner with you anymore..

So, why would any of the other owners want to trade with him?

Trades are being done right now...and I think Snyder's reckless history of escalating salaries and trying to remove revenue sharing IS hurting the Front Office in their attempts to make deals and move the likes of Haynesworth, JC, Carter, and McIntosh. Come on.. JC has 4 years NFL starting experience with a QB rating that is better than half the NFL QBs and the Skins cant get any interest for a 4th or 5th rnder??

GMs cant make a financial move unless his Owner OKs it.. And most of the other NFL owners (especially mid to small markets) have no love for Dan Snyder.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 23, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Cork, The and SteveMG, and brownwood, look, the draft isn't even over yet.

How can you even be making any projections about the season after one night of picks of guys who have not taken a snap?

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Because it's what we do. And you're lucky that we've even waited this long.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 23, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Those berman clips actually made me like him more...

Posted by: chrislarry | April 23, 2010 1:18 PM |

One of the worl's most annoying a-holes. I wish there was a way to turn "he ... could ... all ... the ... way" into an auger and ream him out.

Posted by: ElDrano | April 23, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

a point counter point between psp23 and zesty is 175% percent likely to drive up the RI word and post count 518%

Posted by: chrislarry

odds = maps ?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 23, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

We can beetch about ESPN coverage all we want, but they posted big gains in ratings....so expect more o' the same....

Posted by: chrislarry | April 23, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

The Eagles got good value for McNabb. Pro Bowl was yesteryear. The dude is well past his prime and probably has at most two good years left in the tank. Were it not for the Skins and their dire need for a QB the Eagles wouldn't have gotten even a 2nd rounder for him, let alone a high second rounder.

Posted by: ElDrano | April 23, 2010 1:20 PM |

Mcnabb made the Pro bowl last year, but way to use the internet to make sure your point was valid.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 23, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

That's true. But as a part of the deal I'd bet Skins are trying to get another team to supplement part of that bonus money we just tossed out the window. No one's biting.

Posted by: bones21 | April 23, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

That's never been an option as it is against NFL rules.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 23, 2010 1:16 PM |

Didn't know that - thanks. Basing my knowledge on ML Baseball trades where you sometimes see player X being traded for player Y + cash.

Posted by: bones21 | April 23, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Some people only know how to be self-righteous drama mongering a**holes.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 23, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Is that the new FOX News Slogan?

Posted by: alex35332 | April 23, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

a point counter point between psp23 and zesty is 175% percent likely to drive up the RI word and post count 518%

Posted by: chrislarry | April 23, 2010 1:16 PM |

And RI blog hits down 68%.

Posted by: ElDrano | April 23, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"The Eagles got good value for McNabb. Pro Bowl was yesteryear. The dude is well past his prime and probably has at most two good years left in the tank. Were it not for the Skins and their dire need for a QB the Eagles wouldn't have gotten even a 2nd rounder for him, let alone a high second rounder.

Posted by: ElDrano"

It was only 15 months ago that McNabb, for the 5th time in his career, led his team to the NFC title game.

QBs' primes last well longer than any other position on the field. See Peyton Manning (MVP), Brett Favre (runner-up), and Kurt Warner (Super Bowl record-setter 14 months ago). All are older than McNabb.

And the Skins didn't have a dire need at QB. In fact, the only reason the Skins pulled the trigger on McNabb was the teasingly low asking price for a pro-bowl QB. A back-up QB in Charlie Whitehurst went for a 3rd and 4th rounder, meanwhile a future HOFer and recent conference championship contender went for a 2nd and 4th. That's extremely low value.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

eldrano

"One of the world's most annoying a-holes."


You call Berman an azzhole because you fear competition, right?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

We can beetch about ESPN coverage all we want, but they posted big gains in ratings....so expect more o' the same....

Posted by: chrislarry | April 23, 2010 1:27 PM
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hearing Vinny on espn radio was painful... but, redeeming when he was wrong about the Skins pick.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 23, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen are saying about Vinny leaving them with four picks (Allen gave the 2nd)

Posted by: rickyroge | April 23, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

It did suck Matt. NFL Net isn't an option here on Oahu.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 23, 2010 1

NFL Network's coverage was also shown live online last night. Not sure about tonight though.

Posted by: will_ga | April 23, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

McNabb trade was fair value for both teams. The issue with it isn't value, its need. Did philly need to get rid of McNabb? Maybe, but I have my doubts that Kolb fills those shoes.

Did we need a QB more than OL? No. Keep the 2nd rounder, trade it to the Ravens for Gaither, draft Williams and you've a very good chance to have bookend OTs for 6-10 years

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 23, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Does everyone up here realize that Ms. “maps” Teen South Carolina has a 1 in 4 shot of winning the Amazing Race? It’s been fun watching her and her 28 year old boyfriend stumble through Europe and Asia, yet somehow still be in the race. Surprisingly enough, she can drive a stick shift and talk at the same time….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 23, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

hearing Vinny on espn radio was painful... but, redeeming when he was wrong about the Skins pick.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 23, 2010 1:33 PM

Luckily I didn't have to hear too much of him but getting the skins pick wrong along with KC (he said Okung) was funny.

Posted by: skinswest | April 23, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2010 1:25 PM

Cosign, the hypeification.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 23, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry

"We can beetch about ESPN coverage all we want, but they posted big gains in ratings....so expect more o' the same."

Two points:

This will persist until everyone carries the NFL Network.

And if you're NBA commish David Stern, does it bother you that three days of NFL draft coverage has dominated sports conversation in the way your week long playoffs have not?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

dhaze....agreed...good times with miss teen SC on amazing race....and not only is she dumb, she's also kind of a b-tch.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 23, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Did we need a QB more than OL? No. Keep the 2nd rounder, trade it to the Ravens for Gaither, draft Williams and you've a very good chance to have bookend OTs for 6-10 years

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 23, 2010 1:34 PM |

And according to Shanny you would still have no QB, he obviously didn't think JC had it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 23, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Does everyone up here realize that Ms. “maps” Teen South Carolina has a 1 in 4 shot of winning the Amazing Race? It’s been fun watching her and her 28 year old boyfriend stumble through Europe and Asia, yet somehow still be in the race. Surprisingly enough, she can drive a stick shift and talk at the same time….

Posted by: dlhaze1

The GF loves Amazing Race -- and its been weird to see how two such clueless people can survive in the show. Seems like each week, they make some major mistake, only to have someone else get hit by bad luck.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 23, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

agreed Moe, would love to watch NFL Net....F Time Warner...

Posted by: chrislarry | April 23, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

"And if you're NBA commish David Stern, does it bother you that three days of NFL draft coverage has dominated sports conversation in the way your week long playoffs have not?

Posted by: MistaMoe"

What's funny is that I was thinking the exact same thing about the NHL playoffs when I checked espn after the draft and saw the Pens-Sens in 3OT.

The NBA playoffs didn't even cross my mind...

...of course it's probably just a product of living in DC.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

4 hours and no RI update... could it be... A Blockbuster Redskins deal is underway...and JR is scurrying to check and recheck his sources??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 23, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I live in a no NFL Net area as well ...

Posted by: chrislarry | April 23, 2010 1:10 PM

nfl.com has it streaming for free

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Those berman clips actually made me like him more...

Posted by: chrislarry | April 23, 2010 1:18 PM

That doesn't preclude him from being a d-bag.

Not to mention, he seems to be hopped up. Probably only a matter of time before he's busted for drugs, sexual harassment, etc.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 23, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Does everyone up here realize that Ms. “maps” Teen South Carolina has a 1 in 4 shot of winning the Amazing Race? ... Surprisingly enough, she can drive a stick shift and talk at the same time….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 23, 2010 1:36 PM

Just. Don't. Ask. Her. For. Directions.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

You're bragging on getting 3 out of 4??!!! Not trying to knock you down, but that's some pretty weak stuff to be standing up about.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 23, 2010 12:50 PM

What makes this gold is I predicted TWill on 04/05/10 for us, which is all that matters.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 23, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

"....would love to watch NFL Net....F Time Warner."

The NFL Network is on in my den 12 hours a day.

The other 12, the MLB Network is on.

I don't know anything about what's happening outside of the sports' world.

But I do know that ESPN sucks like a Woods' groupie.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Mcnabb made the Pro bowl last year, but way to use the internet to make sure your point was valid.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 23, 2010 1:27 PM |

As an alternate, which really means nothing except in his case it shows to decline because he used to make it as a starter. But way to use the internet to show the world what a jagoff u r.

Posted by: ElDrano | April 23, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Redskins can keep Campbell, Haynesworth, and McIntosh until some team has injuries and needs to make a trade. Then the Skins will get full value. I think Shanahan is willing to wait rather than give them away.

I think they may trade Carter this weekend for a 5th of 6th round pick.

I'm hoping they draft Kyle Calloway to play right OT, but it will take an early 3rd round pick to get him. Other Options are Ed Wang out of Va. Tech, Ciron Black out of LSU, or Chris Scott out of Tennessee.

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | April 23, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

4th, then when did you switch to CJ Spiller?

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

And if you're NBA commish David Stern, does it bother you that ...

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2010 1:38 PM

Btwn Stern, Bud Selig, and whoever the commissioner of hockey is, I figure that they are all pretty much bothered by the NFL existing.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Surprisingly enough, she can drive a stick shift and talk at the same time….

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Never underestimate the female ability to talk.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 23, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

CL and Zeke, I will say that she is hot, but I don’t know how her boyfriend could possibly be a model, except that he has the brains for it. I actually started rooting for them last week when they u-turned the lesbians, and the lesbians essentially went out like a bunch of punks. Never seen anyone b_tch more about getting kicked off a show…..karma.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 23, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I just don't get this staff's approach to the off season. Are they trying to win now or build for the future?

Trading for McSlabb is a win now move. Drafting Trent Williams is a build for the future move. The guy is not ready to be a LT in this league. He is barely ready to step in at RT. Russell Okung would have been the win now move.

Here is bettin McNabb does not playin more than 8 games next year. He could not stay healthy behind a decent Oline. He is going to get killed next year.

Posted by: srobert1117 | April 23, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

What's funny is that I was thinking the exact same thing about the NHL playoffs when I checked espn after the draft and saw the Pens-Sens in 3OT.

The NBA playoffs didn't even cross my mind...

...of course it's probably just a product of living in DC.

Posted by: psps23


lmao... NBA in D.C has become a joke... The season is over and the Wiz are still getting pissed on. I read that the media listed Andray Blatche as 'Andrew' when listing him among the Most Improved Players.

I too had forgot about the NBA playoffs. I don't watch much hockey -- only Capital games. They're the hometeam and it seems like every other team in the NHL hates them.

And I like that!

Oh and I really dig the name 'Varlamov'.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 23, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

What makes this gold is I predicted TWill on 04/05/10 for us, which is all that matters.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 23, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse
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No amount of prediction will ever top 4-12's screen name, but your guess was commendable nonetheless at a time when everyone was getting their lips caught in Clausens zipper.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 23, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

ummm Condon still hasnt heard from the Rams, yet?? Most teams selecting the number 1 pick in the NFL draft, work out a Contract before the pick... Or, at least contact the player's agent?
Could Bradford not be bouncing his shoulder off the St Louis artificial turf after all??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 23, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

These pretzels are making me thirsty

Posted by: ga8085 | April 23, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Trade AH & JC for Vikings 2 2nd rounders and beat KC from getting

Rodger Saffold, OT, Indiana

He lacks the massive stature that teams are looking for in a left tackle and may be lacking a step in quickness to play on the left side but should be able to find a home on the right side or even inside at guard.
and
Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland

Campbell is a good-sized left tackle prospect that is a bit ahead of the curve, technique wise, over most underclass linemen. He is quick to set the edge and does a good job of jamming opponents with heavy hands and can be quick to get a refit when the pass rusher slaps his hands away.

make safold a guard the line will be set for 10 years and get a future QB next year to play behind DM

Posted by: boysheadcoach | April 23, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

What makes this gold is I predicted TWill on 04/05/10 for us, which is all that matters.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 23, 2010 1:44 PM

That sound you're hearing is Mayock clearing this throat.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Tebow is becoming the most talked about White Bronco since the OJ chase.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 23, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

What makes this gold is I predicted TWill on 04/05/10 for us, which is all that matters.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 23, 2010 1:44 PM

What makes this doo doo is most of your other draft predictions suck.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 23, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 23, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs' salary of $5 million and Grilliams' D-coordinator salary QUADRUPLED the base (whatever that means) salaries for those two positions? So, you're saying that Head Coach/Team Presidents were paid $1.25 million. I don't believe that that is accurate. What's your source?

Look, no one is saying that DS will win any popularity contests among the other owners in the NFL. He!l, he won't even win any among us fans. But your contention is completely blown out of the water by the fact that teams have made deals with Snyder's 'Skins throughout his tenure, continuing up to the McNabb deal a couple of weeks ago.

As for the players whom you think could/should have been dealt by now, there are reasons for their continued presence on the 'Skins roster that are far more likely than the one you suggest. Re: Haynesworth, the compensation coming to the 'Skins that has been suggested in the media has been so ridiculously low that, if accurate, the team was right to turn down. Campbell may still be dealt; if not, other teams may be thinking that Shanny will view having last year's starter on the bench next season as an unworkable situation, and cut him. It would surprise me if McIntosh is even available, given the 'Skins' shortage of LBs and the bad precedent it would set for other guys who may be unhappy with their contracts. As for AC, we don't know if they've tried to trade him, or whether they would even be open to moving him.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 23, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I just don't get this staff's approach to the off season. Are they trying to win now or build for the future?

I think they are genuinely trying to do both. McNabb gives us a better chance this year than a rookie but also are planning on putting the pieces in place for the future. Unless I missed Shanny's press conference where he said "We are really gonna suck this year."

Posted by: will_ga | April 23, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

You're bragging on getting 3 out of 4??!!! Not trying to knock you down, but that's some pretty weak stuff to be standing up about.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 23, 2010 12:50 PM

What makes this gold is I predicted TWill on 04/05/10 for us, which is all that matters.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 23, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

So you took a guess as to which players the redkskins would draft out of the list that had been porvided of about 5 players that they most likely would...you guessed and got it right.

so what do you want from us??? and this is what you hang your hat on??? What ever makes ya feel good anmd important

Posted by: leevi98 | April 23, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Ugh. I'm done with WalterFootball. His first round grade consists of the following:

1. They didn't pick Clausen
2. Well, they DID draft a QB last year *sigh*
3. Still like Clausen
4. As if skipping Clausen wasn't enough, they picked the wrong OT!!!
5. Love Eric Berry, but they should have gone Clausen
6. I know they need that Oline fixed, but Clausen...
7. What this franchise needs is... MORE CLAUSEN!
8. I will temporarily suspend mention of Clausen to take a shot at the Raiders
9. OMG!! Loooozers! Shuld hav gone Clausen!
10. I thCink my C bCutton isC stariCg to acCt up

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 23, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I personally believe that U.S. Americans in Ashburn are unable to draft today because, uh, some people out there in our RI nation don't have maps and, uh, I believe that our, uh, previous administration of the Vinny, like such as in The Europe and, uh, The Asia, everywhere like such as, can't drive sticks shifts, and, I believe that they should, our offense over here in the Shanahan should help the U.S. Redskins in Washington, uh, or, uh, should help The chRIs LarrY and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future drafts.

Posted by: MsTeenSouthCarolina | April 23, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Matt Hayes of the Sporting News on Giant's first round pick:

"Jason Pierre-Paul, South Florida. One season in Division I football resulted in 45 tackles and 6.5 sacks. And he could be the first end taken because he runs a 4.6 40 and has "upside." See the lunacy yet?"

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs' salary of $5 million and Grilliams' D-coordinator salary QUADRUPLED the base (whatever that means) salaries for those two positions? So, you're saying that Head Coach/Team Presidents were paid $1.25 million. I don't believe that that is accurate. What's your source?
Posted by: rbpalmer | April 23, 2010 2:06 PM
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actually Gibbs salary may of been higher than 5 mil.. I believe Snyder paid Marty Shottenhiemer 10 million for one season..
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/saraceno/2004-11-14-saraceno_x.htm

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 23, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I think its more of an indictment of Snyder, by the other NFL owners, than JC.
(does this make me a JC apologist?)

The biggest lesson Shanny and Bruce Allen are learning during this Draft is how much Snyder is disliked around the league by the other owners.
AH, JC, AC, RM.. trade deals should be in place by now...but, most owners do not want to "bail out" Dan Snyder from his mistakes or assist him in rebuilding the Skins.... Last year, was another revealing moment to support this point, when Snyder unsuccessfully and desperately called other teams to trade JC for a 3rd rounder to create a package for moving up to acquire Sanchez.
The owners told Snyder to beat sand.. And Bruce Allen and Shanny are sadly seeing this, first hand, when their phone calls are not being returned.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 23, 2010 10:00 AM |

How do you know the other owners hate Snyder? Do you talk to the other owners and they told this to you?? if you really think that other teams waste time and energy worring about Synder and sticking it to him instead of worring about their own draft and trying to better their own team....

that's just about dumb and has no basis except your opinion....Your acting like it's fact or something.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 23, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I just don't get this staff's approach to the off season. Are they trying to win now or build for the future?

I think they are genuinely trying to do both. McNabb gives us a better chance this year than a rookie but also are planning on putting the pieces in place for the future. Unless I missed Shanny's press conference where he said "We are really gonna suck this year."

Posted by: will_ga

I see where you're going with that. Vinny traded for Jason Taylor (win now) and kept all 10 draft picks on the roster (win later). Same sort of thing with the 2 degrees (BA and MS)?

Really seems more of a win now. Lots of older players added to the roster.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 23, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone just hear John Clayton say Devin Thomas was rumored to be traded?

Posted by: TheFuzzyClam | April 23, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone just hear John Clayton say Devin Thomas was rumored to be traded?

Posted by: TheFuzzyClam | April 23, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

What's the deal with the Devin Thomas trade talk?

Posted by: AnthonyMix | April 23, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, where is he getting it from. He also said they were still trying to move Fat Boy 92.

Posted by: AnthonyMix | April 23, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheFuzzyClam | April 23, 2010 2:19 PM

Yes, I thought he first mentioned that yesterday. I guess that is another one of those cases where the FO knows best, because I dont understand why they would be shopping the receiver we have with the most upside.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 23, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

How do you know the other owners hate Snyder? Do you talk to the other owners and they told this to you?? if you really think that other teams waste time and energy worring about Synder and sticking it to him instead of worring about their own draft and trying to better their own team....

that's just about dumb and has no basis except your opinion....Your acting like it's fact or something.

Posted by: leevi98
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Or you could have just quoted his eminence:

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 23, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

How do you know the other owners hate Snyder? Do you talk to the other owners and they told this to you?? if you really think that other teams waste time and energy worring about Synder and sticking it to him instead of worring about their own draft and trying to better their own team....

that's just about dumb and has no basis except your opinion....Your acting like it's fact or something.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 23, 2010 2:15 PM
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whoa.. Levi.. got you panties in a bunch.. But I like the weird and defensive love you got for Snyder...
Hey.. its been in the press for years by the media and agents, that Dan is one of the least popular owners AMONG the owners..

Snyder blew up the Head Coaches and Assistant Coaches salaries with his Gibbs and Gregg Williams Contracts 5 years ago (quadrupled the existing base or more). Gave Marty 10 Mil for one year!! And we well know the players salaries that he escalated in the Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders deals..
As an agent explained once; The owners had a glass ceiling on the uncapped Coaches salaries (HC, AC) and Snyder's mancrush on getting Gibbs out of retirement took an average salary from 1 Mil to 3-5 Mil. Same thing he did with Free Agents he sorely coveted.. From Bruce Smith to Haynesworth.. Snyder has cost owners millions of dollars.. And the coaches salaries come out of a different cost center that I believe are from the operational profits.. This can kill a small market team.

Add to that, about a year after Snyder blew up the Head Coaches and Assistant HC's salary with Gibbs, he stepped forward with Jerry Jones to state that the NFL revenue sharing model which supports the smaller market teams is unfair and unbalanced. Basically saying to most of the other 30 team owners.. Jerry and I dont want to share in this manner with you anymore..

So, why would any of the other owners want to trade with him?

Trades are being done right now...and I think Snyder's reckless history of escalating salaries and trying to remove revenue sharing IS hurting the Front Office in their attempts to make deals and move the likes of Haynesworth, JC, Carter, and McIntosh. Come on.. JC has 4 years NFL starting experience with a QB rating that is better than half the NFL QBs and the Skins cant get any interest for a 4th or 5th rnder??

GMs cant make a financial move unless his Owner OKs it.. And most of the other NFL owners (especially mid to small markets) have no love for Dan Snyder.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 23, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Could Bradford not be bouncing his shoulder off the St Louis artificial turf after all??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 23, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Ugh and we got this guys supposedly best O-lineman. Good luck DMAC...

Posted by: Stu27 | April 23, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

trading DT=stupid....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 23, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I heard some Devin Thomas trade talk the other day. Seems they are shopping him to see what they might be able to get in return.

Posted by: BT23 | April 23, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

4th, then when did you switch to CJ Spiller?

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2010 1:45 PM

TWill was my 5.0 Mock

Spiller was my 3.0 and 4.0 Mock.

@Sween - Mayock had him rated the #2 Tackle. I haven't been paying attention the past week and half and haven't seen his latest predictions. Like I said before 4th does not = Mayock. I said Kyle Wilson >> Haden and that Bulaga wasn't going to be a LT and it showed because he fell all the way to the bottom of the round...

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Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 23, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse
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Look, even if what you are saying is true, there is absolutely no way to substantiate it. Worse, the evidence supports a heightened appraisal of draft picks across the league more than localized bias. In short, even if you are right, there is no way you can win this argument.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 23, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Could Bradford not be bouncing his shoulder off the St Louis artificial turf after all??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 23, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Ugh and we got this guys supposedly best O-lineman. Good luck DMAC...

Posted by: Stu27 | April 23, 2010 2:24 PM
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word is that when Trent Williams essentially watched his assignment end Bradford's college career in the BYU game, it was only his 2nd game at LT. Hopefully he has improved.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 23, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

What makes this doo doo is most of your other draft predictions suck.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 23, 2010 2:04 PM

It's one thing to hate....But it's another to hate w/o any facts......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 23, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

keeping an out of shape, not playing every down, does not want to play NT, does not come to mini camp, got off the field issues, has already had run in with new coach is SMART? C'mon Bean you're better than that!

Posted by: boysheadcoach | April 23, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

C'mon Bean you're better than that!

Posted by: boysheadcoach | April 23, 2010 2:35 PM

Translation: "C'mon Bean I don't think you're any better than that."

Posted by: League-Source | April 23, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

keeping an out of shape, not playing every down, does not want to play NT, does not come to mini camp, got off the field issues, has already had run in with new coach is SMART? C'mon Bean you're better than that!

Posted by: boysheadcoach | April 23, 2010 2:35 PM

I think he was talking about Devon Thomas as DT not Defensive Tackle

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 23, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

keeping an out of shape, not playing every down, does not want to play NT, does not come to mini camp, got off the field issues, has already had run in with new coach is SMART? C'mon Bean you're better than that!

Posted by: boysheadcoach

DT = AH

???

Posted by: RedDMV | April 23, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Psp- Its tough to say McNabb is a sure fire Hall of Famer. Is he in the discussion? Yea, probably... but is he a hall of famer...?? I'm not so sure.

His numbers have been solid, not great, or fantastic. He is not, statistically, the best at anything and his overall record (playoffs included) isn't overwhelming. Career 86 QB rating, 59 completion percentage, roughly 7 yards per completion... I mean there are more... good stats but not great stats. I am at work and cannot look up his overall career record, but I'd bet its not that great either... Yes, he has gotten to, what, 5 NFC championship games and 1 superbowl, but what is his record in those games? 1-6? Thats not hall of fame numbers.

I'm not saying hes not in contention, and his career is by no means over, but if he was to retire right now, I just cannot see him making it into the hall.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 23, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

C'mon Bean you're better than that!

Posted by: boysheadcoach | April 23, 2010 2:35 PM

Translation: "C'mon Bean I don't think you're any better than that."

Posted by: League-Source | April 23, 2010 2:39 PM |

I really did not need an interpreter, do your own laundry!

Posted by: boysheadcoach | April 23, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

why is that being directed at me?

I was talking about trading Devin Thomas...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 23, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"Let's face it," Spagnuolo said. "There's a lot more interest generated in 24 hours than when you have 15 minutes."

The Rams are ready to pick at 6pm ... but their GM doesn't think they will ... probably b/c the offers they're getting. This is the reason why I think the multi-day format might be helpful for the Skins to move guys.

4th ... time to go back and find your first pimpage on Trent Williams ... this is a "show me" site.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

So you took a guess as to which players the redkskins would draft out of the list that had been porvided of about 5 players that they most likely would...you guessed and got it right.

so what do you want from us??? and this is what you hang your hat on??? What ever makes ya feel good anmd important

Posted by: leevi98 | April 23, 2010 2:12 PM


Actually.....Yes....I do hang my hat on this ish....Been doing this since 1994 Re: Redskins, and just baught it online circa 2006....It's a discussion board where you say what you wanna....And I say what I feel....and what I think...

This is me...Would you prefer me to act like 'TheTruth11'? Or BOOFER? Or PreistHolmes? or MTSC? or even worse.....The blogger formally known as TalentEvaluater?? If you met me on the outside, no way you could pick me out in a lineup...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 23, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

What kind of d-bag coach actually wants to WIN?

Posted by: dcsween
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Couldn't agree more. This is a business, right? What incoming coach says or even thinks he can't find a way to vastly improve performance in the short term as well as long-term? What incoming CEO says to the board of directors that just hired him "Well, I don't plan for us to succeed or make $ for the next 2 years, even though I could do it and still execute our strategic plan"?

I like Shanallen's moves thus far. Sure McNabb's only got 3-4 good years left, but he'll be far better than JC during that time, plus even if we draft a new QB this year or next, he wouldn't be ready for 2-3 years anyway. Shanallen gave up 1 high pick for that major immediate improvement at the key position, and a high-end QB mentor and overall team leader.

We've still got plenty of opportunities to shore up RT, FS, LB, and maybe more OL with not just our remaining picks (although they likely won't start in 2010) but with [1] good vets that become available post-draft due to new incomers and [2] possibly, more draft picks we get today or tomorrow from JC or others (and no, Albert shouldn’t be one of those, he’s our 1 elite D player and he caves in our opponents’ Olines).

With the new coaches, their new schemes (including putting people in their correct positions and attacking on D), and the personnel moves made thus far (especially DM5, Trent SBG, Artis Hickster, Adam C), I think this team is already back to 8-8, and by the time we play the cowfookers we may have the personnel to push for 9 or 10 wins.

And that's all in 1 year, not bad at all. Most people would say the Skins were looking at a 2-3 year "rebuild" after last year, right? Well, we’re going to be that much better after a full draft next year (including drafting another top OL prospect in rounds 1-3, as many lamented we should have done – including me, initially - with the DM5 pick this year).

I think Shanallen’s well on their way to letting us have our cake and eat it too, and that’s what I’d expect from my CEO.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 23, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

why is that being directed at me?

I was talking about trading Devin Thomas...
I humbly apologize, I thought you were talking about AH

Posted by: boysheadcoach | April 23, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

el drone on

(El Drano)

"But way to use the internet to show the world what a jagoff u r."

I use the internet to get photos of you jacking off after reading my posts.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Saints dealing their top pick?
2:28
PM ETNew Orleans Saints | Interested: Redskins? Top Email
This rumor is still on the outskirts of reality, but it's starting to congeal a bit more as Friday goes along.

Michael Schottey of the Detroit Lions blog Blue and Silver Pride tweeted on Friday morning that he's hearing "chatter" that Patrick Robinson -- the New Orleans Saints' first pick at No. 32 overall -- is being included in a possible trade with the Washington Redskins in exchange for Albert Haynesworth. Schottey clarifies that Robinson would be part of a larger deal.

Later on Friday, Jason Reid of the Washington Post tweeted the following: "Redskins taking calls on Haynesworth in attempt to solve a big problem and accumulate picks." Reid confirmed that the Saints have called.

Here's where it gets fun. On his blog, Schottey noted that the Redskins have indicated an interest in Saints OT Jammal Brown -- per a league source -- and thus that Brown and Robinson would both be headed to D.C. in this potential deal. Brown at LT would "solve a big problem" and allow Trent Williams to stay at RT. This one's got some legs.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 23, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse


C'mon Bean you're better than that!

Posted by: boysheadcoach | April 23, 2010 2:35 PM

Translation: "C'mon Bean I don't think you're any better than that."

Posted by: League-Source | April 23, 2010 2:39 PM |

I really did not need an interpreter, do your own laundry!

Posted by: boysheadcoach | April 23, 2010 2:42 PM |

Really? Cuz if you thought TheBeaner was talking about Albert Haynesworth when he was clearly speaking about Devon Thomas then you at least needed a translator at most someone to read posts for you and decipher their meanings for you before posting nonsense that's off topic.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 23, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 23, 2010 2:18 PM

Vinny had the right idea of hedging your bets and trying to straddle the fence between planning for the future and trying to win right away. He just lacked the uh, um... well, everything.

Honestly though, all teams want to win now and in the future. Some just don't know how. Hopefully, now we've got the people in place who do know how.

Posted by: will_ga | April 23, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

" if he was to retire right now, I just cannot see him making it into the hall."

* * *

Okay, but that assessment depends on the obviously false premise that he is to retire right now -- and he is not going to do that. So this analysis is not especially relevant.

For example, playing this same game of false pretenses, would Elway have made the Hall if he retired at 34 years old when Shanny became HC of Denver instead of playing for 5 more seasons and winning 2 Super Bowls? Arguably not.

Posted by: manlius1 | April 23, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

bhc, no worries..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 23, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

"They're not going to "cut" Campbell. He'll back up McNabb. Keep in mind that McNabb has had a spate of season ending injuries in Philly of late. They will need a competent backup who's name isn't Grossman. Campbell, in terms of arm strength and physical makeup closely matches McNabb. If you look at it it only makes sense.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse"

As always, let's parse your irrational, ill-thought out statement to make it easier to display the lack of logic contained therein, shall we?

"They're not going to cut Campbell". The only piece you're CLOSE to getting right, but it's incomplete. Much like any critical pass by JC...sorry, couldn't resist.

Of course they're not going to cut Campbell...not before camp. Injuries happen, and that would elevate the dimished trade value of one Mr. Jason Campbell. Need players for any injuries we sustain, or draft picks in 2011 or 2012 are good, too.

Get it? Got it? Good.

Point...Push [I'm feeling generous]

"He'll back up McNabb" Ummm, no. Doubtful at BEST. Why would he?

Grossman, who HAS played in Kyle's system VS Campbell, who has NOT, and Campbell has a history of taking 1-2 seasons to recover from ANY change in his system or coaches...Point Grossman, I mean "not peri".

"McNabb has had a spate of season ending injuries..." Are you counting the meaningless games he was not allowed to play in prior to playoff berths? That's the only way that math works...Point Logic, not Peri

"They will need a competent backup whose name isn't Grossman". Then I guess they better coach up Brennan, draft, or trade for one, as FINALLY after TOO MANY season Campbell's been proven to be FAR less than competent...Point Logic, not Peri

Please explain HOW to look at it so that it "only makes sense"...or better yet, don't. Lunacy may be communicable...

Have a great weekend!

Posted by: ThinkingMan | April 23, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

pas, who is Pat Robinson?? Where does he play?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 23, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

actually Gibbs salary may of been higher than 5 mil.. I believe Snyder paid Marty Shottenhiemer 10 million for one season..
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/saraceno/2004-11-14-saraceno_x.htm

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 23, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

If memory serves me correctly, Gibbs' salary as Head Coach/Team president was $5 million. And my recollection is that the $10 million referred to in the column you link to was Marty's salary for one year PLUS his guarranteed salary for the time remaining on his deal when he was fired.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 23, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Marshawn Lynch, available cheap.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 23, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

"The New Orleans Saints have inquired about the availability of Washington Redskins DT Albert Haynesworth via trade, according to Jason Reid of the Washington Post."

http://www.neworleans.com/sports/saints/saints-news/379225-report-saints-interested-in-redskins-dt-haynesworth.html
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So... basically, JReid is reporting - yet again - that Haynesworth is subject of trade talks.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 23, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Here's where it gets fun. On his blog, Schottey noted that the Redskins have indicated an interest in Saints OT Jammal Brown -- per a league source -- and thus that Brown and Robinson would both be headed to D.C. in this potential deal. Brown at LT would "solve a big problem" and allow Trent Williams to stay at RT. This one's got some legs.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 23, 2010 2:48 PM

The fun part is that, like 4th Floor and Trent Williams (and I do recall he was Williams' first pimp up here), this one is straight out of the dcsween files. The missing piece of this equation is the failure to mention that Rocky McIntosh also travels with Haynesworth on the deal. Corners are good, nothing wrong with an upgrade at corner. I don't care if he was picked as an afterthought ... whoever he is, he could/should be an upgrade over the current position group.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

4th ... time to go back and find your first pimpage on Trent Williams ... this is a "show me" site.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 2:43 PM

Per above - 04/05/10. Everyone still had Okoong to Skins, but I had picked up on the chatter this former scout dude who is now in the 'media' saying his sources said Shanny really like TWill, then I started looking into TWill's attributes and noticed how everyone was talking about his treamendous (sp?) upside. Just like in your above post about the Jean-Paul dude...because of his combine #s, he shot up the draft board, I would apply the simialar theory to this move we made.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 23, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Y.A. Tittle
Johnny Unitas
Otto Graham...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 23, 2010 10:37 AM

Only one.

Sonny Jurgensen. Best pure passer to ever play the game and could read defenses like he drew them up himself.

Posted by: NosferatusCoffin | April 23, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 23, 2010 2:45 PM

Nobody is going to argue with a coach wanting to win, but this team is not built to win and wont be anytime soon. We got a better qb and some backup level players and now we are at least back to 8-8, be realistic? Do you think we are better than the Lions right now? Jags? We are still the worst team in the division. There is nothing wrong with being on board, but to think that everyones left overs are going to result in a 9-10 win season here is a bit much.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 23, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

pas, who is Pat Robinson?? Where does he play?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 23, 2010 2:52 PM

Corner ... and Saints are already stocked at corner, esp. with Tracy Porter coming back healthy ... so it seemed like an odd pick.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Note to ThinkingMan, you are attempting to argue with THE most retarded blogger in RI history. Yes worse than poolman, sports_guru, or frak. All retards I know but none compare to the waste of brain matter that is perineum. He's so stupid that I have changed the phrase to "you're dumber than a bag of perineum's." Some who don't blog here are sometimes disgusted by that phrase, which makes it even more amusing to me.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 23, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

sween, so Robinson is a CB??

That changes the deal, if we're losing AH, then I'd prefer that we pick up a DL cat and not a cb.....I think Barnes is gonna blossom this year...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 23, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Also, I can't see Haynesworth moving unless their is some home run pick that Shanny or Kyle covet's desparatly (Shipley) or a Defense player Haslett feels he absolutly has to have who can start Day 1 @ ILB......

Campbell stays this year, w/o a doubt....

Re: Rocky - I agree with Sween that he could be coupled in a package that would send them to a 4-3 Def team together....But we need to see picks next year as well as this year....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 23, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Door still ajar: Redskins taking calls on Haynesworth in attempt to solve a big problem and accumulate picks. Saints have inquired.
about 1 hour ago via OpenBeak
JReidPost

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 23, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Kirwan’s mock on nfl dot com has the Eagles snagging Taylor Mays with the Skins pick at #37……that would be bad. I think the guy is going to be a stud.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 23, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Check out the links of the little boxes on the right hand margin to see who this twitterer is "following"

http://twitter.com/nflcommish

Goodell follows Cindy Boren.

I'm so proud of our Cindy.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

http://twitter.com/JReidPost/status/12715797261

He won't let it go.

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And neither will I:

*Sidenote* The only other poster I can think of who agreed with me that Rolando McClain would be a top 10 pick is Diesel44. Diesel44, however vehemently disagreed with my on-going assertions that Suh would be a Lion.(though that one shouldn't have been too hard to figure out in the first place...go's to show a LT isn't "AS" important as people here like to pretend...jus ask Saints who won Superbowl with backup whaaaaaaaaa)

Posted by: Vicc | April 23, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

dc, no thanks on a cb with that pick....lb, or RT...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 23, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

PFT's got a different slant on NO -- they think it's about the Saints pick at the end of the second round. I say 75% chance PFT is right, 85% chance that the Detroit guy is right, 65% chance that Jason Reid is right and about 0% chance that I'm right.

Posted by: League-Source | April 23, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

The 5-foot-11, 190-pound Seminole defender is scorching fast - he was clocked in 4.38 for the 40-yard dash at Florida State's pro day - and was rated on most draft boards as a first-round lock on talent, but a borderline first-round pick because of some questions about his consistency.
He was the third cornerback taken in the last six picks of the first round as the NFL moved that marquee event to prime time for the first time. With the pick, the Saints now went with cornerbacks in the first round in back-to-back drafts after choosing Malcolm Jenkins in 2009.

Jenkins, who could find himself moved to safety as a result of the pick, reacted delightedly, sending out a tweet that read simply, "Yeeeessss!!!!" But the selection did not meet with uniform praise from the Saints secondary, some of whom openly expressed their puzzlement.

"I don't get it....." read a tweet from cornerback Tracy Porter, whose interception return for a touchdown sealed the Saints win over the Colts in Super Bowl XLIV. Usama Young, a safety, added, "Ditto."

Saints Coach Sean Payton said he thought it was too early to conclude Jenkins would be moved to safety but called it, "a fair question." The Saints coaching staff was pleased with Jenkins' rookie year and believes he can be productive at corner or safety, although they did see safety in Jenkins long-term arc.

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2010/04/new_orleans_saints_first-round.html

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

How do you know the other owners hate Snyder? Do you talk to the other owners and they told this to you?? if you really think that other teams waste time and energy worring about Synder and sticking it to him instead of worring about their own draft and trying to better their own team....

that's just about dumb and has no basis except your opinion....Your acting like it's fact or something.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 23, 2010 2:15 PM
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whoa.. Levi.. got you panties in a bunch.. But I like the weird and defensive love you got for Snyder...
Hey.. its been in the press for years by the media and agents, that Dan is one of the least popular owners AMONG the owners..

Snyder blew up the Head Coaches and Assistant Coaches salaries with his Gibbs and Gregg Williams Contracts 5 years ago (quadrupled the existing base or more). Gave Marty 10 Mil for one year!! And we well know the players salaries that he escalated in the Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders deals..
As an agent explained once; The owners had a glass ceiling on the uncapped Coaches salaries (HC, AC) and Snyder's mancrush on getting Gibbs out of retirement took an average salary from 1 Mil to 3-5 Mil. Same thing he did with Free Agents he sorely coveted.. From Bruce Smith to Haynesworth.. Snyder has cost owners millions of dollars.. And the coaches salaries come out of a different cost center that I believe are from the operational profits.. This can kill a small market team.

Add to that, about a year after Snyder blew up the Head Coaches and Assistant HC's salary with Gibbs, he stepped forward with Jerry Jones to state that the NFL revenue sharing model which supports the smaller market teams is unfair and unbalanced. Basically saying to most of the other 30 team owners.. Jerry and I dont want to share in this manner with you anymore..

So, why would any of the other owners want to trade with him?

Trades are being done right now...and I think Snyder's reckless history of escalating salaries and trying to remove revenue sharing IS hurting the Front Office in their attempts to make deals and move the likes of Haynesworth, JC, Carter, and McIntosh. Come on.. JC has 4 years NFL starting experience with a QB rating that is better than half the NFL QBs and the Skins cant get any interest for a 4th or 5th rnder??

GMs cant make a financial move unless his Owner OKs it.. And most of the other NFL owners (especially mid to small markets) have no love for Dan Snyder.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 23, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

No I'm fine...i just am tired of the same old talk over and over again....At some point ya need to move forward and stop focussing so much on the past.

Also change your name...Skins have a GM now.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 23, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I just saw another rumor that had AH and RM going to N.O. for J. Brown, their 1st pick last night and another pick.

Posted by: BT23 | April 23, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

... and about 0% chance that I'm right.

Posted by: League-Source | April 23, 2010 3:10 PM

It doesn't matter if you're right or wrong, just whether you're persuasive.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

How do you know the other owners hate Snyder? Do you talk to the other owners and they told this to you?? if you really think that other teams waste time and energy worring about Synder and sticking it to him instead of worring about their own draft and trying to better their own team....

that's just about dumb and has no basis except your opinion....Your acting like it's fact or something.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 23, 2010 2:15 PM
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whoa.. Levi.. got you panties in a bunch.. But I like the weird and defensive love you got for Snyder...
Hey.. its been in the press for years by the media and agents, that Dan is one of the least popular owners AMONG the owners..

Snyder blew up the Head Coaches and Assistant Coaches salaries with his Gibbs and Gregg Williams Contracts 5 years ago (quadrupled the existing base or more). Gave Marty 10 Mil for one year!! And we well know the players salaries that he escalated in the Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders deals..
As an agent explained once; The owners had a glass ceiling on the uncapped Coaches salaries (HC, AC) and Snyder's mancrush on getting Gibbs out of retirement took an average salary from 1 Mil to 3-5 Mil. Same thing he did with Free Agents he sorely coveted.. From Bruce Smith to Haynesworth.. Snyder has cost owners millions of dollars.. And the coaches salaries come out of a different cost center that I believe are from the operational profits.. This can kill a small market team.

Add to that, about a year after Snyder blew up the Head Coaches and Assistant HC's salary with Gibbs, he stepped forward with Jerry Jones to state that the NFL revenue sharing model which supports the smaller market teams is unfair and unbalanced. Basically saying to most of the other 30 team owners.. Jerry and I dont want to share in this manner with you anymore..

So, why would any of the other owners want to trade with him?

Trades are being done right now...and I think Snyder's reckless history of escalating salaries and trying to remove revenue sharing IS hurting the Front Office in their attempts to make deals and move the likes of Haynesworth, JC, Carter, and McIntosh. Come on.. JC has 4 years NFL starting experience with a QB rating that is better than half the NFL QBs and the Skins cant get any interest for a 4th or 5th rnder??

GMs cant make a financial move unless his Owner OKs it.. And most of the other NFL owners (especially mid to small markets) have no love for Dan Snyder.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 23, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

No I'm fine...i just am tired of the same old talk over and over again....At some point ya need to move forward and stop focussing so much on the past.

Also change your name...Skins have a GM now.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 23, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Vicc - I was wit ya on McClain....I would have been good wit TWill/Spiller/McClain @ #4.....

And the only way Haynesworth will be traded is if we get true value, he won't get dumped to get dumped....Just won't happen...Inserting the BeantownGreg Rule here....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 23, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

anything, to get us some more picks/line help....AH/RM to NO for their 2nd, and JBrown, seems like winner for all parties...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 23, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Also change your name...Skins have a GM now.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 23, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse
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Someone wisely took that one

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 23, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Trades are being done right now...and I think Snyder's reckless history of escalating salaries and trying to remove revenue sharing IS hurting the Front Office in their attempts to make deals and move the likes of Haynesworth, JC, Carter, and McIntosh. Come on.. JC has 4 years NFL starting experience with a QB rating that is better than half the NFL QBs and the Skins cant get any interest for a 4th or 5th rnder??

GMs cant make a financial move unless his Owner OKs it.. And most of the other NFL owners (especially mid to small markets) have no love for Dan Snyder.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 23, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

None of us know the answer on either side of this question but it's an interesting idea and it's plausible.

It's probably not Dan Snyder per se, but the Redskins have a history at least since Gibbs II of making bad trades, and therefore, those who might consider trading with Washington might try to get more than fair value in the deal.

I think the Redskins have wanted to make deals this year and have tried very hard but have been frustrated by....something. Even Shanny wants to pretend we only gave up a 2nd round pick for McNabb...

Posted by: Pepper5 | April 23, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

If you met me on the outside, no way you could pick me out in a lineup...

Posted by: 4thFloor

Wrong.


You'd be the NFL HOF bust colored, King Tut lookin', shoulder wrapped having, welt marks on chest having, clown shoes wearing bama with a body sign with the words painted on reading: 'I told you MoFo's I was right!'


I'd say that'll make you rather easy to pick out of a lineup.


On the real though, I can't speak for others, but I just be trying to fry you a bit. Not even serious more than half the time...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 23, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I just saw another rumor that had AH and RM going to N.O. for J. Brown, their 1st pick last night and another pick.

Posted by: BT23 | April 23, 2010 3:12 PM

Well if its not the truth, it should be. It makes a ton of sense. Jammal Brown is just SITTING there waiting to fill out our piece of the puzzle of the offensive line. Then everybody else other than Brown, Dockery, Rabach, and Williams can compete for the RG position. Gregg Williams also has a soft spot for some of his pupils (which doesn't include Haynesworth, but how could the Master of Mayhem himself not love Haynesworth?).

In other news, we also still need a free safety very badly ... and a re-load a linebacker.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter if you're right or wrong, just whether you're persuasive.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 3:13 PM

Persuasive? It keeps getting harder around here every day. I liked it when it was just enough to show up in the afternoon, say "Hi, everybody" and everyone said "NORM!"

Posted by: League-Source | April 23, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Sween, words to live by @ 3:13.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 23, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

you 2 bama's wanna go get a room...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 23, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Just joining the blog today. Good to see that the Saints may step up for AH. Like I said yesterday, it makes sense as G and Fisher run a similar defense. Now getting a for real starter would be key in this deal for me. Not a big fan of P. Robinson, but what do I know. Jamal Brown makes sense if the Skins can get a pick in the middle of this draft.

Posted by: TWISI | April 23, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

None of us know the answer on either side of this question but it's an interesting idea and it's plausible.

Posted by: Pepper5 | April 23, 2010 3:18 PM

This could be a byline for this here RI site (but I'm not sure it could compete with "Come for the football, stay for the jibba jabba").

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Persuasive? It keeps getting harder around here every day. I liked it when it was just enough to show up in the afternoon, say "Hi, everybody" and everyone said "NORM!"

Posted by: League-Source | April 23, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse
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Eeesh. I would never name my kid that.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 23, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

take it easy on steve young, the dude had a lot of concussions as a running qb. but man that white boy could scramble. probably should do commercials rather than live commmentary.
hail

Posted by: augustiswest | April 23, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

You'd be the NFL HOF bust colored, King Tut lookin', shoulder wrapped having, welt marks on chest having, clown shoes wearing bama with a body sign with the words painted on reading: 'I told you MoFo's I was right!'

Posted by: RedDMV | April 23, 2010 3:20 PM

Almost ... think combination of LaVar Burton and Big Mike Williams (2006-07 version)

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I haven’t heard much about this Jamaal Brown….can someone tell my why the Saints are shopping him (supposedly)?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 23, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

DISAGREE because if you have 2 LBs and need 3, you're missing 1. If you need 4, you're missing 2. Math and such. Orakpo should be playing with his hand down.

STRONGLY DISAGREE
And this is why Haynesworth is miffed even angry. Its silly notions like this. Orapko as much as you have that man-crush on him IS NOT and NEVER WILL BE an Albert Haynesworth. Just let him put his hand down and try to stop the RUN. I'm sure they tried that with him and found that to be risky. Play Haynesworth anywhere along the DL, even at linebacker and he will always eat up 2-3 blockers. Get Haynesworth one-on-one and he will completely destroy the running back. Haynesworth should play defensive end not tackle. They can get a good wide body to block traffic at that position. Let's see who gets more sacks, Haynesworth or Orapko.

Repeat slowly and with conviction: Orapko is an NFL linebacker. Orapko is an NFL linebacker ...

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm having PLASH withdrawal today.

Posted by: 4-12 | April 23, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 23, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

DISAGREE because if you have 2 LBs and need 3, you're missing 1. If you need 4, you're missing 2. Math and such. Orakpo should be playing with his hand down.

STRONGLY DISAGREE
And this is why Haynesworth is miffed even angry. Its silly notions like this. Orapko as much as you have that man-crush on him IS NOT and NEVER WILL BE an Albert Haynesworth. Just let him put his hand down and try to stop the RUN. I'm sure they tried that with him and found that to be risky. Play Haynesworth anywhere along the DL, even at linebacker and he will always eat up 2-3 blockers. Get Haynesworth one-on-one and he will completely destroy the running back. Haynesworth should play defensive end not tackle. They can get a good wide body to block traffic at that nose tackle. Then, Let's see who gets more sacks, Haynesworth or Orapko.

Repeat slowly and with conviction: Orapko is an NFL linebacker. Orapko is an NFL linebacker ...

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

beep beep for Sam Bradford

Posted by: League-Source | April 23, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks Clausen, McCoy or Grossman is anywhere near as good a QB as Colt Brennan is either new to football or has some sort of weird ax to grind.

That said, I hope the Deadskins cut him today so he can get on with his career with a better team.

Brennan will play in a Pro Bowl before the 'Skins get into a playoff game without buying tickets.

Posted by: Time4Sanity | April 23, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

same goes for you too, beans... except the "King Tut" stuff..


If you met me on the outside, no way you could pick me out in a lineup...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1


Wrong.


You'd be the Billy Bats lookin' (before demise), "Do you want to go sailing" asking, formerly "Nomah" rootin', only dude in Boston Patriots hatin' bama...


I'd say that'll make you rather easy to pick out of a lineup.


On the real though, I can't speak for others, but I just be trying to fry you a bit. Not even serious more than half the time...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 23, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Cork, The and SteveMG, and brownwood, look, the draft isn't even over yet.

How can you even be making any projections about the season after one night of picks of guys who have not taken a snap?

Posted by: DC Sween

Waal, in this go-go, internet-tubed 24/7 breaking news world we live in, you CAN'T wait for "developments."

And what I bemoaned is a Friday without any Redskin draft picks, and the unlikelihood of acquiring any.

And I see a familiarity of approach from Shanahan/Allen as with Zorn/Vinny. Too many stopgaps (McNabb, Johnson, Maake, Buchanon) which will help in the short run, but not a willingness to tear down and rebuild with young turks.

I'm just guessing, but I think Snyder's short attention span may be at work here.

Please not I ended with an optimistic hope the 'skins pull of some fine trades of unwanted players, and get some more picks.

As of two hours before the draft resume, they haven't yet done so,.

Posted by: TheCork | April 23, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

And I see a familiarity of approach from Shanahan/Allen as with Zorn/Vinny. Too many stopgaps (McNabb, Johnson, Maake, Buchanon) which will help in the short run, but not a willingness to tear down and rebuild with young turks.

Posted by: TheCork | April 23, 2010 3:57 PM

What the heck do you want them to do? Wave a magic wand and make 10 extra draft picks appear out of thin air? They are doing the best they can with the hand that was dealt to them. Which was very little.

They inherited a mess of a team, at all levels. From the front office and Vinny's messes, to the coaching to the players. Overall, I think have done very well.

For one, they have cleaned out a lot of veteran deadwood that had contracts there were worth far more than the sum of their parts and replaced with cheap, very low risk veterans. Stop gap, yes. But there is little you can do when only have a handful of draft picks and a only a few players on your team that any other team would think of trading for.

Compared to the start of this year, this team is leaner, cheaper and will have a lot more competition in camp than it has had maybe since Marty first took over. And Praise the Lord, they are no longer in Salary Cap Purgatory.

Grade so far: A-

Posted by: NosferatusCoffin | April 23, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

campbell is better than grossman period..don't care if he has a year in shanahan's system or not he throws too many interceptions has a average arm not much mobility and is injury prone. If mcnabb goes down because of a lineman it will be the man who snaps the ball to him..rabach. I don't see him being the quick and athletic type of lineman(he constantly gets blown-up by d-tackles)required for this zone blocking scheme hopefully he lose's his job along with heyer. trent williams will work out fine.

Posted by: wathu19 | April 23, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

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