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Trent Williams may need help protecting McNabb

DeMarcus Ware, Mario Williams, Trent Cole and Dwight Freeney.

Those are the elite pass rushers Redskins rookie left tackle Trent Williams will face in the first six weeks of the regular season. They combined for 46 sacks last season and have a career total of 235.

And after Terrell Suggs dominated Williams Saturday night in the Baltimore Ravens' 23-3 preseason victory at FedEx Field, it seems the Redskins may have to provide Williams with a lot of help in protection to start the season.

Williams was overwhelemed at times by Suggs, who sacked Donovan McNabb once and applied pressure on many plays during the first half. The eighth-year outside linebacker delights in facing inexperienced players, and he provided Williams a lesson in the art of the pass rush at the NFL level.

On Suggs's sack of McNabb in the second quarter, Williams was beaten so badly off the ball that he never had a chance to set up and get into his technique. For that matter, McNabb didn't have a chance, either. And the big play illustrated why premier rush ends/outside linebackers are valued more in the NFL than any position except quarterback and lock-down corners.

Washington's previous possession ended when a poor throw of McNabb's was intercepted. But on the Ravens' second play after the turnover, LaRon Landry forced a fumble and DeAngelo Hall recovered the ball. The score was tied, 3-3, and Washington took over at its 32-yard line with 9 minutes 41 seconds remaining in the half.

On Washington's first play, Suggs raced past Williams and brought down McNabb for a five-yard loss. The Redskins attempted two deep passes that fell incomplete, punted and did nothing on offense for the remainder of the blowout loss.

Late in the first quarter, with Washington facing third and 1, Suggs drove Williams into the backfield and brought down running back Larry Johnson for a three-yard loss. Williams also was called for a false start.

Of course, it was only a preseason game. Suggs has won many individual battles throughout his career against some of the the game's most experienced and talented left tackles. And the Redskins had other major pass-protection issues against Baltimore, especially in blitz pick-ups.

But there were things that offensive line coach Chris Foerster will go over with Willaims as they move forward together.

Williams returned to the field after halftime Saturday with his arm in a sling because of an elbow bruise. The former Oklahoma standout said X-Rays were negative and he expects to practice this week, which is good, because Williams needs as much prep time as possible with the season opener coming soon.

Williams has immense talent. Suggs is athletic and experienced, so there's no shame in losing battles to him. The Redskins figured Williams would edure growing pains as a starting rookie left tackle, and no one protects quarterbacks better than Coach Mike Shanahan. Williams will be well prepared for his baptism by fire, and Shanahan will devise sound protection plans that likely will include help for Williams.

Regardless of what Shanahan does in an attempt to counter Ware, Mario Williams, Cole and Freeney, Williams must execute his assignments well. As he learned against Suggs, though, he's not in the Big 12 anymore.

By Jason Reid  |  August 23, 2010; 9:48 AM ET
Categories:  Offensive line , Trent Williams  
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Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhaaaaaaa!!!

The apologists are spraying Febreze all over Deadskins Insider in a valiant attempt to cover up the stench of a bad, bad football team. Y'all are complaining about the Ravens blitzing, running trick plays, blah, blah, blah. Have you no shame? Excuses are for losers!

The Ravens told you in no uncertain terms that the Cadavers are not a big-boy team. What happened to your offensive line? If Trent Williams played like that every game, he'd be labled a bust and McNabb would wind up on IR. Blame Larry Johnson if you wish, but your o-line is trash (newsflash?) and didn't open ANY running lanes. Just like others have told you, you don't have a single offensive lineman who would start for the Cowboys, injuries or not. McNabb still has accuracy issues and now you're stuck with him for several years since you gave a 2d rounder to get him. LMAO!!

Compare your performance against that of the Cowboys:
The Cowboys played a team they're predicted to meet in Super Bowl XLV and they whupped the Chargers' butts in their own stadium and sent them on their way.

Any more questions about the Deadskins/Cadavers relative to the Cowboys??

Y'all dreamers are funny!

Hell...To The...Deadskins!!

Posted by: MrIrvin88 | August 23, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Geez Mayor, overreact much?? It was the 2nd game of the kids career and he was facing one of the top pass rushers in the game. Of course he was going to get schooled but to say he was 'overwhelmed' and 'is going to need a lot of help' is overstating things JUST a bit, don't you think?

Posted by: jaldrichl | August 23, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Maybe the Skins should move Jamal Brown over to left tackle and let Silverback learn the NFL on the right side

Posted by: coparker5 | August 23, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

@MrIrvin88
Hey IDIOT! How many TD's has Americas Team first team O scored? 1 thats how many. Us Redskins fans do not believe our team will make the SB. All we know is the Cowboys won't. Stay Gay Irvin

Posted by: suliman215 | August 23, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Sorry Reid....you are way off on this one.

Actually, I expect this type of high school journalism from you, it's too bad that the Post can't see the forest for the trees and throw you out on your exponentially increasing backside.

Williams did not get "Dominated" by Suggs whatsoever. There was some give and take and yes he gave up a couple plays but overall he handled himself fine against an elite rusher.

Your idiotic analysis leads one to conclude one or both of the followoing must be true:

A. You did not watch the game or

2. You are letting your petty grudge against the franchise show in your 'work'

Either way, your road to irrelevance in DC sports reporting is well paved and right in front of you. Keep walking, or in your case lumbering down it and I'll see you writing posts on Bleacher Report by mid October.

Out...

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | August 23, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I have faith in Williams. He's a rookie and still learning. Everyone wants him to be spectacular his first year out and maybe he will be but it takes time to learn.

Posted by: JulzDC | August 23, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Geez Mayor, overreact much?? It was the 2nd game of the kids career and he was facing one of the top pass rushers in the game. Of course he was going to get schooled but to say he was 'overwhelmed' and 'is going to need a lot of help' is overstating things JUST a bit, don't you think?

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I echo that but do want to add that my biggest concern leaving that game was Williams' comments. He seemed to think he had a good game and was offering some excuses ("I thought the play was over"). You wouldn't catch London Fletcher saying something like that if he made a mistake. The kid's gotta keep pushing himself to harvest all that talent. TW had a reputation for getting slack about training when he came here and I hope that the early success in camp hasn't already gone to his head to allow him to let up. It'd be a share for us to lose Donovan or a few games needlessly as he learns he needs to keep improving.

Posted by: Cookie4 | August 23, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

The Cowboys played a team they're predicted to meet in Super Bowl XLV and they whupped the Chargers' butts in their own stadium and sent them on their way.
Posted by: MrIrvin88

The Cowboys "whipped the Chargers butts"???? The score was 16-14 and Tony Romo was 4-of-11 passing for 30 yards with a touchdown and an interception, finishing with a rating of just 37.3.

Hilarious!!!

Posted by: Lisa_R | August 23, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, seriously...cut the kid some slack. You expect him to own everyone from Day 1?

Reid, how long have you been on the job now and we're still waiting for you to find your A game?

Go work on your next Haynesworth post and quit trashing guys that are actually working hard to get better.

Posted by: McMetal | August 23, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

I'd go ahead and let the CowPatty sukkards have their due, today.

We can discuss the actual meaning of things, but there's no reason to puff up about anything for us. ... for them either, but their sukkards... it's what they do because 'daddy' didn't love them.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 23, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

"And after Terrell Suggs dominated Williams Saturday night"

Since when was allowing one sack being dominated? I watched the game, and I saw Williams dominate Suggs on many plays.

JReid = Chicken Little

Posted by: Salinas1 | August 23, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Actually, i'd rather Williams gets his SJK handed to him as a hat now, than in week 3 or somehting...

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 23, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I thought Trent Williams more then held his own against Suggs. The play where he gave up the sack, i thought it seemed Trent Williams figured McNabb stepped up in the pocket and let him go. I thought he played him to the outside perfectly. He can use some help in the running game but looked solid in the passing game. Give him some more experience, he will be a beast. He did better then I expected and looked more then competent as a starting LT. I think they can keep him on an island on that side.

Posted by: merajc86 | August 23, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

The Cowboys "whipped the Chargers butts"???? The score was 16-14 and Tony Romo was 4-of-11 passing for 30 yards with a touchdown and an interception, finishing with a rating of just 37.3.
Hilarious!!!
Posted by: Lisa_R | August 23, 2010 10:11 AM

Yeah, but Romo finally got off the schneid by leading them on a 4 yd touchdown drive, so everything is just fine and dandy in texas. Sarcasm off.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 23, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

there are 3 specific instances noted in the article that i think can/should be viewed in different context:

1) suggs's pressure of mcnabb was fairly consistent all night, but the one i clearly remember was one williams fought off pretty valiantly...pushed suggs high & wide but b/c mcnabb failed to step up into the pocket, suggs got his hand on the ball & forced mcnabb to pull the ball down and attempt to scramble. luckily, donovan's instincts and strong hands avoided a critical fumble, but that one's as much on donovan as it is on trent.

2) anyone who's watched the ravens play enough knows that suggs (like tuck) LOVES to anticipate the snap count. on that sack, he'd read the cadence & was gambling on the count, guessed correctly and beat williams out of his stance. failing to have silent counts or adjusted cadence to work on during game situations led to some of the pressure that mcnabb felt from his blind side on sat night.

3) i'll say one thing about the raven's rush d: it's as good as advertised and consistent with the product they've put on the field over the past 5 seasons. that said, there's one back that looked awful on a handful of carries & one that provided a pleasant surprise. i'm not sure that it's a coincidence that portis gained significant ydg on his carries while johnson struggled mightily. the redksins were able to run the ball on 3rd down a little better than baltimore maybe wanted (with portis) and a little less than they'd like on 1st & 2nd downs (with johnson).

back to trent, i'm sure that foerster and the shannys are putting trent on an island during the preseason to give him a feel while also assessing what kind/type of assistance they need to provide him and when.

...my 2 cents

Posted by: ratay1 | August 23, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Did you even see the so-called "rant"? That was NOT a rant. Albert just sarcastically answered questions - for the media to say he "went off" is simply laughable.

Posted by: Lisa_R

Just because he didn't scream and curse does not mean it wasn't a rant. Yes, I did see it, and yes, it was a rant.

Posted by: rachel216 | August 23, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Come now Reid, Suggs did not "dominate" Williams!

Posted by: iubiquity | August 23, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Q: What's Jerry Jones biggest concern

A: Does Bail Money count against the Salary Cap?

Q: Did you hear, the Dallas Cowboys adopted a new "Honor System";

A: Yes your Honor, No your Honor.

Q: Why can't Michael Irvin get into a huddle on the field anymore?

A: It is a parole violation for him to associate with known felons.

Q: What do you call a drug ring in Dallas?

A: The huddle.

Q: Did you know the Cowboys had a 12 and 5 season this year.

A: 12 arrests, 5 convictions.

Q: How do you get a Cowboy to stand up?

A: Say "Will the defendant please rise."

Q: What do you say to a Cowboy in a suit?

A: Will the defendant please rise.

Q: Hey, did you hear who the Cowboys hired as their new defensive coordinator?

A: Johnny Cochran.

Q: Four Dallas Cowboys in a car, who's driving?

A: The police.

Q: How do the Dallas Cowboys spend their first week at training camp?

A: Studying the Miranda Rights.

Q: Did you hear about the fire at the Cowboys' library facilities?

A: Both books were burned, and one of them had not even been colored in yet.

Q: How many people does it take to beat the Cowboys?

A: Only 1 - Barry Switzer

Q: Why can't Micheal Irvin get into a huddle on the football field?

A: It's a parole violation to associate with known felons.

Q: What do you call it, when a Dallas Cowboy goes on vacation?

A: Time off for good behavior.

Q: Why does Texas Stadium have Astroturf?

A: To keep the fans from grazing during games.

Q: How do you make Deion Sanders slower than a snail?

A: Call a pass route through a metal detector and wait for him to remove him jewelry.

Jerry Jones was really upset with Irvin for the hotel room incident. After all, Irvin did get caught with coke instead of Pepsi.

Q: What do you call a beautiful girl in Dallas?

A: A tourist.

Q: Why wasn't Jesus born in Dallas?

A: Because God couldn't find three wise men.

Q: What do you call a Cowboys fan with half a brain?

A: Gifted.

Q: How can you tell if a Cowboys fan has been using the computer?

A: There's white-out on the screen.

Q: Why did Michael Irvin get so excited when he finished his jigsaw puzzle in 6 months.

A: Because on the box it said From 2-4 years.

Q: If you see a Cowboys fan on a bicycle, why don't you swerve to hit him?

A: It might be your bicycle.

Q: Why did the Cowboys fan climb the chain link fence?

A: To see what was on the other side.

Q: How do you do the Dallas Cowboys' version of the Macarena?

A: Stand a foot away from the wall

Place one hand on the wall, and then the other.

Spread one leg, then the other.

Place one hand behind your head, and then the other.

Place one hand behind your back, and then the other.

Have the policeman handcuff one hand, then the other.

Posted by: suliman215 | August 23, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

F Dallas and F 8 ball Irvin

Posted by: westjr88 | August 23, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I love how Mrpervin/all the other cowgirls fans feel the need to repost their posts as if they feel their posts are that important. LOL.

Btw, Tony Romo looked AWESOME the other night, didn't he? Yeah he finally threw a TD, but he was 4/11 with a pick. But yeah, Cowgirls are going to the super bowl!!

Posted by: rachel216 | August 23, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

McNabb dropped back 26 times, he was sacked once. Therefore, Williams was "dominated" according to Reid. Go back and read the game recap. Why did Reid chamge his story?
He's a poor reporter, and calling him a reporter is probably giving him too much credit.

Posted by: sgmd | August 23, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Q: What's Jerry Jones biggest concern

A: Does Bail Money count against the Salary Cap?

Q: Did you hear, the Dallas Cowboys adopted a new "Honor System";

A: Yes your Honor, No your Honor.

Q: Why can't Michael Irvin get into a huddle on the field anymore?

A: It is a parole violation for him to associate with known felons.

Q: What do you call a drug ring in Dallas?

A: The huddle.

Q: Did you know the Cowboys had a 12 and 5 season this year.

A: 12 arrests, 5 convictions.

Q: How do you get a Cowboy to stand up?

A: Say "Will the defendant please rise."

Q: What do you say to a Cowboy in a suit?

A: Will the defendant please rise.

Q: Hey, did you hear who the Cowboys hired as their new defensive coordinator?

A: Johnny Cochran.

Q: Four Dallas Cowboys in a car, who's driving?

A: The police.

Q: How do the Dallas Cowboys spend their first week at training camp?

A: Studying the Miranda Rights.

Q: Did you hear about the fire at the Cowboys' library facilities?

A: Both books were burned, and one of them had not even been colored in yet.

Q: How many people does it take to beat the Cowboys?

A: Only 1 - Barry Switzer

Q: Why can't Micheal Irvin get into a huddle on the football field?

A: It's a parole violation to associate with known felons.

Q: What do you call it, when a Dallas Cowboy goes on vacation?

A: Time off for good behavior.

Q: Why does Texas Stadium have Astroturf?

A: To keep the fans from grazing during games.

Q: How do you make Deion Sanders slower than a snail?

A: Call a pass route through a metal detector and wait for him to remove him jewelry.

Jerry Jones was really upset with Irvin for the hotel room incident. After all, Irvin did get caught with coke instead of Pepsi.

Q: What do you call a beautiful girl in Dallas?

A: A tourist.

Q: Why wasn't Jesus born in Dallas?

A: Because God couldn't find three wise men.

Q: What do you call a Cowboys fan with half a brain?

A: Gifted.

Q: How can you tell if a Cowboys fan has been using the computer?

A: There's white-out on the screen.

Q: Why did Michael Irvin get so excited when he finished his jigsaw puzzle in 6 months.

A: Because on the box it said From 2-4 years.

Q: If you see a Cowboys fan on a bicycle, why don't you swerve to hit him?

A: It might be your bicycle.

Q: Why did the Cowboys fan climb the chain link fence?

A: To see what was on the other side.

Q: How do you do the Dallas Cowboys' version of the Macarena?

A: Stand a foot away from the wall

Place one hand on the wall, and then the other.

Spread one leg, then the other.

Place one hand behind your head, and then the other.

Place one hand behind your back, and then the other.

Have the policeman handcuff one hand, then the other.

Posted by: suliman215 | August 23, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Wow, just wow!


eeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 23, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

If you watch the sack on replay, trent was running suggs around mcnabb, as he had done on a previous play. On this play, mcnabb had not (or could not) step up, so trent had to stop short to keep from running into mcnabb himself. trent had an overall good game, against a top defensive end. I think his coaches are pleased with his progress so far.

Posted by: Skin4Life1 | August 23, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

@suliman215,

It's not the amount of TDs scored. It's points scored relative to opponents. That's why they keep score. Would you believe that you can score no TDs and still outscore the opposition? Have you ever even seen a football game before?


@Sampson151, Lisa_R

It's called 'winning ugly'! LMAO!

The scoring for starters against starters in the Chargers game: 7-7. Redskins vs. Ravens. 13-3 (and we both know it should have been worse). But hey, no excuses.

@chrislarry,

Yeah, McNabb's ankle sure feels like Suggs' schooling Williams was a win for him and the Skins. LMAO!

I suppose I should just let the dreamers dream!

Peace

Posted by: MrIrvin88 | August 23, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Williams played just fine, the dude is still a beast.

Gives up 1 sack...in preseason...to Terrell Suggs...who plays for the Ravens...and it's time to move Jammal Brown over there, or send help to his side?

Get a grip, Williams will go to multiple Probowls in his career.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 23, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Dominated? Really?

Posted by: clark202 | August 23, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

mrharvin... you do know this is just preseason right??

why are you getting all excited that you beat the Chargers 16-14? LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: rachel216 | August 23, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

PS Reid, if our receivers could have caught a ball or two, McNabb would have had stellar numbers. He could have had like 9/12 for 150 and a TD... in the first quarter.

There is much to do and work on, but this offense is already light years ahead of where it was the last two years. It may take some time to translate into points and results, but the potential is clear.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 23, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

To the below COWGIRLS fan, come on dude what game were you watching, you better hope you have a tackle that can prtotect HOMOS back. Your team looked average at best. if you think the cowboys are going to their house for the super bowl , you may be right....but they better have their tickets because watching fron the stands is the only way they will be there. I only look at pre-season games during the first half and the SKINZ more then held their own against the ravens def. If I were ravens fans I would worry about BRADY, MANNING, PALMER, RIVERS because their PASS DEF sucked as they gave over 200 passing yards in the first half alone.
The dude below can go choke on JERRY JONES BONE
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhaaaaaaa!!!

The apologists are spraying Febreze all over Deadskins Insider in a valiant attempt to cover up the stench of a bad, bad football team. Y'all are complaining about the Ravens blitzing, running trick plays, blah, blah, blah. Have you no shame? Excuses are for losers!

The Ravens told you in no uncertain terms that the Cadavers are not a big-boy team. What happened to your offensive line? If Trent Williams played like that every game, he'd be labled a bust and McNabb would wind up on IR. Blame Larry Johnson if you wish, but your o-line is trash (newsflash?) and didn't open ANY running lanes. Just like others have told you, you don't have a single offensive lineman who would start for the Cowboys, injuries or not. McNabb still has accuracy issues and now you're stuck with him for several years since you gave a 2d rounder to get him. LMAO!!

Compare your performance against that of the Cowboys:
The Cowboys played a team they're predicted to meet in Super Bowl XLV and they whupped the Chargers' butts in their own stadium and sent them on their way.

Any more questions about the Deadskins/Cadavers relative to the Cowboys??

Y'all dreamers are funny!

Hell...To The...Deadskins!!

Posted by: MrIrvin88 | August 23, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: obxneric | August 23, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Suggs did dominate Williams, but this was a game for growing pains for Williams. He was truly welcomed to the NFL's elite on Saturday. I'm fine with it as long as he continues to learn. He had a number of good plays, now he just has to rectify those bad ones (and yes, a few of them were BAD - particularly the 3rd and 1 where he got blown 3 yards off the line).

I'm not worried though. You're crazy if you aren't giving help against Ware, Freeney, and the like - it doesn't matter who they're up against. Freeney used to manhandle Jonathan Ogden in his prime. There's no shame in aiding him against these guys. Just because he's an elite talent doesn't mean you leave him on an island for his entire career.

Posted by: psps23 | August 23, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Giving up one sack in a bunch of attempts by one of the greatest pass rushers currently playing is not a bad thing, I hope TW continues to get "dominated".

Posted by: Stu27 | August 23, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Please look at the tape again...

Suggs got him on a few plays, but Speedy held his own against Suggs for the most part. He didn't do bad as a starting rookie LT.

At the end, he'll grade out better than thought and will continue to work at his weaknesses.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 23, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

@suliman215,

It's not the amount of TDs scored. It's points scored relative to opponents. That's why they keep score. Would you believe that you can score no TDs and still outscore the opposition? Have you ever even seen a football game before?

@ Irven
I sure went with your mom "by the way is she still walking funny " stay gay my friend

Posted by: suliman215 | August 23, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Every analysis I have read on the game has said that Suggs owned Williams. Reid is not the only one. McNabb was hurried on most plays which may have led to some of his accuracy issues. Aside from getting beat for the sack he was beaten pretty badly on a running play. The defense also caused McNabb to get an intentional grounding call as opposed to taking a second sack.

This is to be expected when you start a rookie at LT. They are going to have to give him a little help this year.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 23, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

McNabb dropped back 26 times, he was sacked once. Therefore, Williams was "dominated" according to Reid. Go back and read the game recap. Why did Reid chamge his story?
He's a poor reporter, and calling him a reporter is probably giving him too much credit.

Posted by: sgmd

Reid got his Journalism degree in a crap game.

Posted by: iubiquity | August 23, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

McNabb dropped back 26 times, he was sacked once. Therefore, Williams was "dominated" according to Reid. Go back and read the game recap. Why did Reid chamge his story?
He's a poor reporter, and calling him a reporter is probably giving him too much credit.

Posted by: sgmd

Reid got his journalism degree in a crap game.

Posted by: iubiquity | August 23, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Ok, I usually a tolerate a lot of stuff JR says, I don't agree with it most of the time. But, I hate it when reporters who never played organized football try to make analysis about player to player dynamics, Xs & Os, or talent.

Saying that Williams was dominated in this game is a stretch. Did Suggs sack McNabb? Yes. Did Williams stone Suggs and ride him around the pocket through out the game? Yes. Williams is a rookie, I'm not ready to call him Joe Jacoby yet, but he's not Tony Mandrich either.

"And after Terrell Suggs dominated Williams Saturday night in the Baltimore Ravens' 23-3 preseason victory at FedEx Field, it seems the Redskins may have to provide Williams with a lot of help in protection to start the season." Wow, just Wow.

Can the fan run blog start any sooner? Although it will be heavily opinionated and at times and emotional, it's a fan. Not some reporter who is trained in the intricacies of sentence structure, trying to come off as a football evaluator. After this entry, JR, its plainly evident as to why you write for the Post and have never coached on any level of the sport.

Posted by: clark202 | August 23, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

The apologists are spraying Febreze all over Deadskins Insider in a valiant attempt to cover up the stench of a bad, bad football team.

Posted by: MrIrvin88 | August 23, 2010 9:58 AM

This is the only time I'll reference you because I don't feel like wasting my time in a debate with you. If you know football, which most cowgrilz fan don't simply because they are casual football fans, then you'd realize it's only the preseason. If you think you can judge the success of a football team by the games played in August, then you are as stupid as most of us on here think. The RI bloggers speak about the Skins like any fan should in August..taking a look at specific players, production etc. There is no reason to apologize for a win or a loss because it doesn't matter. If you insist on posting..post things that make sens otherwise you continue to perpetuate the stereotype that cowgrilz are ignorant about football.

Posted by: TWISI | August 23, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

oh now the first one wants to show up! GEEZ!

Posted by: iubiquity | August 23, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

This is an article to give a little color to a day of intense knee-jerk Haynesworth reporting involving Shanahan's response to Haynesworth's comments, and about twelve articles about how "disgruntled" Haynesworth is.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 23, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Not a very well thought out post. Did he get schooled some, of course. But in the context of a rookie LT in preseason facing top flight talent you expect and want this. Now thay have all this tape to show him what he needs to do against top tier talent.

And of course he will need some help this season, didn't need this game to understanD that.

Due to twitter I have been reading more Keim, Camp[bell and other beat reporters. Their footbal sophistication really is on another level than Reid's. And not b/c they are all "positive" they open plenty of can of whup azz themselves.

Although I really like Mease at WapO

Posted by: chrislarry | August 23, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 23, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

TWISI: Just let him be all excited... he's just going to get disappointed again when Romo throws a pick to end the girls' season like he does every season.

Posted by: rachel216 | August 23, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse


What happened to the Redskins? You all better sell that bandwagon to the junk man. The parts are worth more than it would cost to fix it at present.

9/12
Cowboys 35
Redskins 3

Posted by: PampaTex | August 23, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Maybe the Skins should move Jamal Brown over to left tackle and let Silverback learn the NFL on the right side

Posted by: coparker5 | August 23, 2010 10:05 AM


Naw..Nothing but growing pains..

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 23, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

MrIrvin88 quote:

"The Cowboys played a team they're predicted to meet in Super Bowl XLV and they whupped the Chargers' butts in their own stadium and sent them on their way."

Huh? The Cowgirls won by 2 and the Chargers totaled 100 more yards. S.D. had 8 more first downs and held the ball 8 minutes longer. But those Cowgirls sure whupped 'em. lol

Posted by: skinsfever | August 23, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

The group that got dominated was the interior linemen. LJ not picking up blitzes didn't help either.

The two examples of TW getting dominated are just as much a result of this. McNabb not able to step up in pocket/LJ not having a cut back lane on 3 and 1.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | August 23, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

LJ had a lousy game..If Torain and Cleland look like they can handle short-yardage, then they probably should release him..He sure wiffed on some blocks that almost got McNabb killed..Actually I always thought Portis when healthy was a great short yardage back..He definitely can block better than LJ, too..

Reid saying the "offense then did nothing" is inaccurate, as McNabb threw for 206 yards in the first half, but couldn't connect on the TD..Baltimore's attack will be similar to what the Cowboys and the NFC East throw at us, so pass protection should now become the top priority..

Posted by: frak | August 23, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I forgot:

Trent Williams gave up "only" one sack and whiffed on a few run blocks so it was a solid game by him? If he did that every game, he'd finish the season with 16 sacks and be the worst left tackle in the league.

I'm done piling on.

Posted by: PampaTex | August 23, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Bears sign Todd Collins.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 23, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

why don't you nitpick your own damn players pampa.

Posted by: rachel216 | August 23, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

WOW, you know nothing about football. Had McNabb stepped up in a deep pocket he would have avoided the sack. You truly know nothing about football.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | August 23, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Reid got it wrong on this one. I watched the game and he gave up a sack. Big deal!! You have all-pro's that give up sacks!!He wasn't "dominated". Plus going against one of the best pass rushers in the league that will happen. Trent will be fine. He's young and it will take some time but I believe he will eventually be a pro-bowl caliber left tackle in this league for years to come.!!

Posted by: Bbman73 | August 23, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Oh jeez, this means MrPervin66 and 10"peterpuffer will destroy our a**holes this week on RI.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | August 21, 2010 10:38 PM

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So it begins.....

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | August 23, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Is Suggs really an elite pass rusher? The last time he had double digit sacks was 2004. He had 4.5 last year in 13 games. If anything the raw numbers claim that Andre Carter is the better pass rusher.

Posted by: RedskinsXXVI | August 23, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Ummmmmm.....dominated? really?

yes he blew up that one run play and yeah he got off the ball fast on the sack but he even said in the post game he had him blocked he thought McNabb had stepped up to throw the ball, he hadn't so Suggs got the sack, he said and I quote "I just have to play to the whistle"....doesn't sound like domination to me....what about on the two big 3rd and long pick ups, or the two 7 yard runs by Clinton, or the 45 yard bomb? Was he "dominated" on those plays?

He got beat a couple of times by a top 5 pass rusher in this league in his second game ever......hardly dominated.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 23, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Trent Williams looked solid to me. They left him without protection against Suggs to better evaluate his technique, the 49'ers and Seahawks also did this with their 1st round Rookie Tackles with the same mixed results. During the season most teams move a TE or a FB over to the QB's blind side as part of the blocking scheme. I think his pass protection was above average, but also after watching the game for a second time felt his RUN BLOCKING needed obvious improvement. He is a rookie, he is being tested now, which is good, now the coaches know he needs to get better leverage on run blocks. Get'em Trent!!

Posted by: MajorFacemask | August 23, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhaaaaaaa!!!

The apologists are spraying Febreze all over Deadskins Insider in a valiant attempt to cover up the stench of a bad, bad football team. Y'all are complaining about the Ravens blitzing, running trick plays, blah, blah, blah. Have you no shame? Excuses are for losers!

The Ravens told you in no uncertain terms that the Cadavers are not a big-boy team. What happened to your offensive line? If Trent Williams played like that every game, he'd be labled a bust and McNabb would wind up on IR. Blame Larry Johnson if you wish, but your o-line is trash (newsflash?) and didn't open ANY running lanes. Just like others have told you, you don't have a single offensive lineman who would start for the Cowboys, injuries or not. McNabb still has accuracy issues and now you're stuck with him for several years since you gave a 2d rounder to get him. LMAO!!

Compare your performance against that of the Cowboys:
The Cowboys played a team they're predicted to meet in Super Bowl XLV and they whupped the Chargers' butts in their own stadium and sent them on their way.

Any more questions about the Deadskins/Cadavers relative to the Cowboys??

Y'all dreamers are funny!

Hell...To The...Deadskins!!

Posted by: MrIrvin88 | August 23, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Couldn't have been said any better and I am a Redskin fan.
No Jim Zorn or Jason Campbell to blame this year. This is the same type of offensive line we had the past several years so I expect the same results except I don't think McNabb can take the amount of abuse Campbell took.

Posted by: bonggong | August 23, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I think if this were a regular season game, things would have been different. Clearly, Shanahan wanted to see how the passing game worked. They gave up on the run too early, which is very un-Shanahan-like. Once the Ravens saw the QB was going to drop back on almost every pass, they unchained the dogs. The positives that coming out of the game are they are seeing who their players are in the receiving corps, and they know what they have with pass protection. Armstrong is showing up every game and should make the roster. I liked what I saw out of Moss and Roydell Williams as well. Getting guys on the field who can catch when it matters would be my primary focus and those three have shown more than the others. Defensively, they saw Doughty isn't a full time free safety and Carter isn't transitioning well to linebacker. They need some better depth at nose tackle. Kemo doesn't seem to be back all of the way and Green/Bryant are just fat guys in the middle.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 23, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse


Is Suggs really an elite pass rusher? The last time he had double digit sacks was 2004. He had 4.5 last year in 13 games. If anything the raw numbers claim that Andre Carter is the better pass rusher.

Posted by: RedskinsXXVI | August 23, 2010 11:01 AM

Don't you dare confuse us with facts! lol.

Seriously, I think we need to be realistic about things and just say the kid Williams had a bad game. He'll have better ones.

Posted by: ahwyatt | August 23, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: suliman215 | August 23, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Hell...To The...Deadskins!!

Posted by: MrIrvin88 | August 23, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Couldn't have been said any better and I am a Redskin fan.
No Jim Zorn or Jason Campbell to blame this year. This is the same type of offensive line we had the past several years so I expect the same results except I don't think McNabb can take the amount of abuse Campbell took.

Posted by: bonggong | August 23, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

your both retards, our line if healthy is better than the cowgirls....just ask their first three preseason opponents who have held tony homo and his first team offense without a TD for ummmmmmmmm oh yeah the whole preseason.

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 23, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Trent Williams...

Posted by: Tampax | August 23, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse
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...is not your biggest problem. Dallas gave up 11 sacks to Washington's 6 in their first two preseason games.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 23, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

The sky is falling! Our rookie LT gave up a sack to one of the game's best pass rushers! In preseason, no less!

Posted by: AdamCr | August 23, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Compare your performance against that of the Cowboys:
The Cowboys played a team they're predicted to meet in Super Bowl XLV and they whupped the Chargers' butts in their own stadium and sent them on their way.

Any more questions about the Deadskins/Cadavers relative to the Cowboys??

Posted by: MrIrvin88 | August 23, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I love reading these dimly shining bulbs from the Cowboy Bandwagon who have nothing better to do than attempt to needle their chief rival's chief blog (aside- if we're not really rivals anymore as so many of their fans lamely assert, why are so many of them on our blog? boggles my simple mind)...take this gem above- high on unintentional comedy, low on accuracy. It was 7-7 at halftime, I believe that TD being Dallas' first TD in 1.5 games (I say "believe" because I could barely carely less about OUR preseason results, let alone Dallas')...Cowboys kicked 3 4th quarter FG's- at which time there were probably 19 future FedEx/UPS drivers on the field collectively - to win by 2 points. That qualifies as a "butt whoopin". Some say "go away" - I say stay as long as you want little buddy. You amuse me not wholly unlike a clown or a really fat person.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 23, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse


your both retards, our line if healthy is better than the cowgirls....just ask their first three preseason opponents who have held tony homo and his first team offense without a TD for ummmmmmmmm oh yeah the whole preseason.

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 23, 2010 11:08 AM

Now we're reduced to comparing our healthy o-line to the Cowboys injured o-line?

Posted by: ahwyatt | August 23, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

" ... And the big play illustrated why premier rush ends/outside linebackers are valued more in the NFL than any position except quarterback and lock-down corners. ..."

... and premier offensive left tackles.

Agree with chRIs lArRy on the level of sophistication comment.

4th, forward the grownup pool thing to cL ... he'll get off his post-nup re-negotiation high pony ...

Posted by: dcsween | August 23, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Sent.

Cut LJ Bandwagon starts HERE.

And now we all have witnessed why CP26 still is around....

No one can do it better all around than him. It's more than just running the ball.

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 23, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MrIrvin88 | August 23, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: zjfr2 | August 23, 2010 11:08 AM

In the Dallas @ SD game I was watching last night, the visiting team was on their heels from the get go with their starters. San Diego was ahead early and for a long time when it was starters vs. starters. Makes sense though that Dallas fans would confuse the combination of roster cut football and Norvball (snatching defeat from the jaws of victory) as an indication about the performance of the visiting team.

Posted by: dcsween | August 23, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

LJ's performance made me question whether or not we pushed hard enough to sign Westbrook earlier this offseason.

Hopefully, that game was just an anomaly for LJ.

It certainly wasn't a good start though...

Posted by: psps23 | August 23, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I would not agree with the word "dominate". I think you'd have to total more than 1 sack to earn that. You could say "outplayed" although I don't think that is very accurate either. Williams got beat on some plays, and handled one of the premier pass rushers in the NFL on others.

This however, extends the definition of "stupidity"

"And the big play illustrated why premier rush ends/outside linebackers are valued more in the NFL than any position except quarterback and lock-down corners."

Really? First of all, those are two positions, not one. Second, I disagree with the rankings completely. The franchise amounts by position are:
QB 14.65 million
CB 9.96
WR 9.88
DE 8.99
OL 8.45
LB 8.30 (including the $7.M JJ spent on Keith Brooking.. HAHAHAHA dumba$$)
RB 6.62

If you believe "value" is measured by dollars, then WR is above defensive ends, and tackles are above LB.

Posted by: dpc2003 | August 23, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse


The excuse-making is off the charts. Suggs isn't even an elite defensive end any more and he gave Williams the business, you doe-eyed losers!

It's like I told you before: Okung's injury aside, the Redskins drafted the wrong left tackle, chumps. At least when Okung comes back, he'll be a solid tackle. Can't say the same about Williams.

Some of you people need therapy to cure what would certainly be diagnosed as a clear-cut case of CHRONIC DENIAL!

Posted by: dallasinthedmv | August 23, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

4th, the bandwagon started at 11:21PM in item #2 on this thread.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/donovan-mcnabb/first-quarter-redskins-3-raven.html

I'm willing to turn over driving duties for the bandwagon (so I can go to the back and start drinking with the band).

Posted by: dcsween | August 23, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Some of you people need therapy to cure what would certainly be diagnosed as a clear-cut case of CHRONIC DENIAL!

Posted by: dallasinthedmv | August 23, 2010 11:24 AM

Dude, if you think that Dallas' line is going to hold up through even the preseason, then you clearly have not been denied chronic.

Posted by: dcsween | August 23, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse


What happened to the Redskins? You all better sell that bandwagon to the junk man. The parts are worth more than it would cost to fix it at present.

Posted by: PampaTex | August 23, 2010 10:48 AM

Everybody's been telling them that PampaTex but they're too far gone.

Soft team + ig'nant fans = Heartbreak

Posted by: dallasinthedmv | August 23, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Yeah they lost the game, and it was alot of inconsistencies, but I love the way the Skins offense attacks down the field and had several big gains. I can't say I've seen that in the previous couple of yrs with this team, so that is refreshing. BTW, to come on here talking mess about a preseason game when your team has actually been worse makes you look like an imbecile.

Posted by: ga8085 | August 23, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Sometimes you gotta win ugly, dcqueen.

Cowboys will do what they have to do until guys get healthy. No excuses.

Posted by: dallasinthedmv | August 23, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Look beyond the first game of the season and at the next five years of Shanahan's and even Haynesworth's deals and you'll see the answer.

Gone are the days of 'anything goes so long as we win the next game.' No more trades for 6-game fixes the next season. No more CP sitting out practice whenever he wants because his backups were nobodies. And, obviously, no more coddling the superstars under Jim Zorn's 'stay medium' regime.

It's very simple. Shanahan is building a program here. Either you abide by his rules or you don't play. These aren't difficult to follow. Be in shape. Participate in practice. Work hard. Very, very simple. When Haynesworth completes those three things, he will be in the same boat as the other 10 starters on defense.

As for the medical issue that kept AH out, Tom Brady has been on the injury report every week for the last 7 years and nobody knows what is wrong with Brady. Especially for superstars, teams often don't want to disclose a full injury to the rest of the league. It's not Shanahan's fault that Haynesworth's reputation precedes itself so when he sits out of a practice, justified or not, he looks like a lazy POS. AH earned that all by his lonesome.

Posted by: psps23 | August 23, 2010 10:25 AM

The dude abides..

Well done, feel free to copy and paste this several times per day.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 23, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

your both retards, our line if healthy is better than the cowgirls....just ask their first three preseason opponents who have held tony homo and his first team offense without a TD for ummmmmmmmm oh yeah the whole preseason.

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 23, 2010 11:08 AM
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@zjfr2, since you have to go the homo route with hte name calling then it's fair to call your team the FORESKINS!!!! The Foreskins suck again this year!!!!!

Posted by: bfs515 | August 23, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Okung's injury aside, the Redskins drafted the wrong left tackle, chumps. At least when Okung comes back, he'll be a solid tackle. Can't say the same about Williams.

Some of you people need therapy to cure what would certainly be diagnosed as a clear-cut case of CHRONIC DENIAL!

Posted by: dallasinthebuttbutt | August 23, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse
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Williams > Free or Barron, so would you be arriving at a rational conclusion anytime soon?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 23, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Agree on LJ, he was not good at finding lanes in the running game and could not catch the ball out of the backfield. Don't know if it was nerves or what. The best run of the night was the 9 yard gain by Portis. But LJ didn't look comfortable back there.

Next week Fast Willy Parker gets his chance. If he has a burst he might be able to rip off some double-digit gains.

Overall, I'd say the pass protection was much better than last year's line. Heyer had a good game at RT, and overall a C+/B- effort by the line.

Several drops on what admittedly were tough catches. McNabb is looking too much for Moss, DT was wide open on a third down play but McNabb went to Moss instead. I thought Donovan was taking some risks with the football, trying to figure out who will go up and get the ball, and who won't. The INT wasn't a great throw, but the receiver had a chance to keep between the defender and the ball and didn't do it. A throw that leads a little further and that's a TD.

DT had one go right through his hands on 3rd down. Gotta catch those. But later at the end of the first half he made a spectacular catch.

Posted by: dpc2003 | August 23, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

no one gives a f*** about your win over the chargers. get over it girls fans.

Posted by: rachel216 | August 23, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Is Suggs really an elite pass rusher? The last time he had double digit sacks was 2004. He had 4.5 last year in 13 games. If anything the raw numbers claim that Andre Carter is the better pass rusher.

Posted by: RedskinsXXVI | August 23, 2010 11:01 AM

Suggs is a very good pass rusher. Slightly below the top 5 or elite guys. His sack numbers would be double digits if he was not asked to do so many other things. He drops into coverage quite a bit. The Ravens unlike other 3-4 teams do not send their OLB after the QB all the time. They use them to drop in coverage and bring pressure from other spots. Thus why his sack numbers will never be as high and a Woodley, Harrison or Ware.

Williams gave up a sack and was badly beaten on a running play. Suggs very nearly stripped McNabb on another play coming around the outside. I am not sure if Williams guy was in on the play where McNabb intentionally grounded the ball as well. This was all in one half of a game. Getting beat for a sack in a half of a game is not good. It is not the end of the world and does not mean he is not going to be great just that he is going to need a littel help against the better pass rushers.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 23, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I don't seem to remember this many Brokeback Ballsack trolls on the blog in the past. They must be really scared about the upcoming season.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 23, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Uh, this post is all well and good, but can we get a little more info on the whole Haynesworth saga, Mr. Reid? I need to know more about how Big Al is handling things this morning in Ashburn!

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | August 23, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse


As for the medical issue that kept AH out, Tom Brady has been on the injury report every week for the last 7 years and nobody knows what is wrong with Brady. Especially for superstars, teams often don't want to disclose a full injury to the rest of the league. It's not Shanahan's fault that Haynesworth's reputation precedes itself so when he sits out of a practice, justified or not, he looks like a lazy POS. AH earned that all by his lonesome.

Posted by: psps23 | August 23, 2010 10:25 AM

but patriots coach bill belichick isn't telling reporters that brady simply had a "headache" either. shanahan's a liar and he'll eventually rip the locker room apart when the losing continues. don't you love it?
the apologists are making their mommas proud today!

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 23, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I'm more concerned about the right side interior of the o-line. Hicks and Rabach looked worse in my estimation.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 23, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

While Mr. Reid plays film coach some news:

Skins sign 11 year vet at safety:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Redskins-get-safety-help-sign-Tyrone-Carter.html

Also LF and AH have 1-1 talk, Daniels and Lo Alexander speak out about AH needing to shut up.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 23, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I need to know more about how Big Al is handling things this morning in Ashburn!

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | August 23, 2010 11:42 AM

Agreed. Can we please get a report about whether his pee looks brown from metabolyzed muscle cells and smells like ham?

Posted by: dcsween | August 23, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Well done, feel free to copy and paste this several times per day.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 23, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse
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Slap a 'Dear Diary' on the top of it and Vic1 will take care of that.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 23, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

London Fletcher said he had a "great talk" with Albert this morning. Fletcher, like the rest, wants to move forward. #Redskins
2 minutes ago via web

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 23, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

10peter: you think you're in good shape with that joke of a coach wade phillips?! lol, he's going to be gone by midseason i bet!

Posted by: rachel216 | August 23, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

What happened to the Redskins? You all better sell that bandwagon to the junk

Soft team + ig'nant fans = Heartbreak

Posted by: dallasinthedmv | August 23, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I love this. It reminds me of Trading Places when Billy Ray Valentine's little lackey chides the large inmate's intellect in broken English- "Yeah! The phone in the limo was busted. What is ya, ignorant?" High comedy. At least the writers of that script were doing so intentionally. These poor Cow-rubes, I'm not so sure. I hope they never leave, their mystifying arrogance and overwhelming ignorance makes me laugh.

Anyone ever sniped on their blog? Does the Dallas newspaper(s) even have a blog? Do they even have newspapers in Dallas?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 23, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse


Okung's injury aside, the Redskins drafted the wrong left tackle, chumps. At least when Okung comes back, he'll be a solid tackle. Can't say the same about Williams.

Some of you people need therapy to cure what would certainly be diagnosed as a clear-cut case of CHRONIC DENIAL!

Posted by: dallasinthebuttbutt | August 23, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse
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Williams > Free or Barron, so would you be arriving at a rational conclusion anytime soon?

Posted by: mattsinhisownworld | August 23, 2010 11:36 AM

has nothing to do with okung being the better tackle.

9/12. cowboys will win. redtards will lose. donovan mcflabb will thow pick-sixes. there's my cogent analysis.

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 23, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Hey Jason,

What about an update on K Moore's MRI? Didn't he have it yesterday? I'd think the results would be in by now and they'd know how severe it is?

I guess I'll have to wait until PFT breaks the news.

Posted by: Devo2 | August 23, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and when you post another story about Big Al, please remind us that he missed the entire offseason conditioning program (except for one day!), and that he got a $21 million check on April 1, and that he and Shanahan aren't getting along much right now. Thanks.

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | August 23, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse


London Fletcher said he had a "great talk" with Albert this morning. Fletcher, like the rest, wants to move forward. #Redskins
2 minutes ago via web

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 23, 2010 11:47 AM

what's that sound? is that the locker room splitting as the team leaders realize that shanahan is the cause of perpetual drama. rotfl.

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 23, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

From Rich Campbell...Skins sign a FS

W/ Kareem Moore injured... RT @BradBiggs: #Redskins get safety help, sign veteran Tyrone Carter. bit.ly 12 minutes ago

Posted by: TWISI | August 23, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

While The Mayor plays film study, so news:

Skins sign 11 year vet at free safety:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Redskins-get-safety-help-sign-Tyrone-Carter.html

Also appears like LF and AH had 1-1 meeting this AM

Posted by: chrislarry | August 23, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

It's unfortunate that Williams has not had more opportunity to practice against some of the supposedly elite pass rushers in the league.

Trouble is, at least one supposed teammate who might have been able to teach him a few things has been sitting out most of the pre-season, enjoying the hot tub and blowing chunks.

Posted by: Vic1 | August 23, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Give me a break. Williams gets beat once and now he is in need of help? This kid is awesome and he will get better as he plays, he is the least of my concerns on this team.

Posted by: hock1 | August 23, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

I'm more concerned about the right side interior of the o-line. Hicks and Rabach looked worse in my estimation.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 23, 2010 11:45 AM

My concern was about what was happening between Hicks and Heyer after Brown finished up with his snaps.

Posted by: dcsween | August 23, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/redskinsjournal/2010/08/23/game-balls-gassers-and-observations-ravens-23-redskins-3/

game balls and gassers. Armstrong, Landry, McNabb among ballers. Hicks, TWilliams and Haynes stained boxers among gassers.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 23, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

He is a spoiled brat with 24 million dollars and a contract, so normal logic doesn't work here.

My point is: If you plan to keep him, work with him a little - try to find a common ground. Otherwise, avoid the train wreck we all know is coming and get rid of him.

Posted by: edvar | August 23, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse


And in these 2 consecutive thoughts, you once again display your naivety.

He's a spoiled selfish brat with tons of money and, therefore, no reason to respond to any thoughtful/rational arrangement that does not suit his desires.

How do you "work with" someone like this? What "common goal" could they possibly develop that isn't already out there that wouldn't further compromise the integrity of the organization??

Should they give him more money? Should they let him decide when he practices and plays? Should they go back to a 4-3?

You don't "work with" unyieldingly selfish and stupid people, because when you give them an inch, they take a mile and then throw it back in your face the first chance they get.

You get rid of them, or you punish/discipline the b'gezzus out of them until they break - that is if you have any integrity/stones regarding your overall plan/direction.

Posted by: p1funk | August 23, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

what's that sound? is that the locker room splitting as the team leaders realize that shanahan is the cause of perpetual drama. rotfl.

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 23, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I thought only 12 year old girls used "ROTFL", "OMG" and such. Oh, wait...I see.

as for your "analysis" (in this case, a euphemism for "pathetic reach")- I bet you'd love to see London alienate his coach but, not shockingly, your ignorance wins yet again!! LFB is the ultimate team player, he will back his coach's play no question, but also knows his duties to keep the players together. Nice try.

We'll see who's "ROTFL", "LOL" and "LMAO" in a few weeks. Poor little Dallas buddies...they are so incomplete they need to come bash another team- one that many of them take great pains to stress is not their biggest rival anymore. Sorry, I can't help my inner 12 yr old chick- "LOL"

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 23, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, I don't care how much they try to placate WorthLess, he's going to ride the bench.

He's shown an inability to look beyond his own selfish interests, and he's stupid to boot. Sure, he's talented - but that's not going to get him a start on this squad. He'll have to show up to be counted.

Keep up the Shanahanigans!

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 23, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Sween, Heyer was not a problem Saturday night. He was especially good in pass pro. Hicks was a problem all night while he was in. Read the observations linked above about LJ's runs. And Brown was no great shakes when he was in there.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 23, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Anyone ever sniped on their blog? Does the Dallas newspaper(s) even have a blog? Do they even have newspapers in Dallas?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 23, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse


I don't think they have computers yet down in the Republic of Texas yet. I think they've finally got some souped up abacases, but getting on the Interweb is a little bit of a challenge for those guys.

Most of the trolls here are actually from the DC area, and are rooting for a team hundreds of miles away from where they live because they hate the Redskins. They also have big posters of the Taliban all over their trailer next to their lifesize Jake Gyllenhal cardboard cutouts.

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | August 23, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

RedskinsDotCom
It appears Reed Doughty is going to get the first opportunity to play free safety should Kareem Moore (knees) miss game time this preseason.
1 minute ago via web

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 23, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse


Sorry, I don't care how much they try to placate WorthLess, he's going to ride the bench.

Keep up the Shanahanigans!

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 23, 2010 11:57 AM


umm, nutshuttle, maybe you should change his name to albert networth. he'll get paid a lot of money whether he sits or the redtards play him.

Rock, meet Hard Place.

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 23, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

what's that sound? is that the locker room splitting as the team leaders realize that shanahan is the cause of perpetual drama. rotfl.

Posted by: 10peterbilt | August 23, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

If I recall correctly, didn't Jerrah want Shanny as his head coach, before the Skins snatched him up? Seems like you know more about the Skins then you do your own team.

Posted by: ga8085 | August 23, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Did he come with his own walker, cL?

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 23, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Albert will be starting by Week One. If not, let's not kid ourselves, we're in trouble. Jarmon is far from ready, Kedric is OK but no 92, Daniels is a year from Social Security...I admire Shanny's stance but he is no idiot. They will be on the same page (or close enough) by the time those lovely, overrated, perenially overhyped Dallas Cowboys come to town for an ass whipping. Albert is a clown, no question. But I think Haslett/Shanny's good cop/bad cop routine will work...for a year. Then we trade him for between a 2nd and 4th round pick next spring.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 23, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

There's this little act called Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) that would prevent MS from disclosing AH's "condition".

AH could have given MS the ok or he could have addressed the media himself. He did neither.

Either way, this "condition" is laughable and proves that AH wasn't in proper condition or that he's an alcoholic. My guess is both.

I'm predicting next week he'll be suffering from fibromyalgia.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 23, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: TWISI | August 23, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

The word is "endure"...don't you guys have spell check? Damn.

Posted by: soloman5000 | August 23, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm predicting next week he'll be suffering from fibromyalgia.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 23, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I know some people, he'll be rich. 1-800-LAWYER, tell 'em Notorious sent ya

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 23, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it guys- our kicker sucks. He has no NFL experience, he has never made a big kick, and in his limited action he has been bad. Has no veteran competition been brought in after last week?? I'd be shocked if he wins the position in a walkover.

Prove me wrong, Graham (great kicker name, at least).

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 23, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

DAMM CowPuke posters...always showing up here bragging about their 43 IQ!!!!

Romo should have stayed with Carrie Underwood. No shame in being called Mr. Underwood. But no, he had to take his lumps as Ms. Simpson's squeeze, and as T.O's B-TCH!

Posted by: wagenstill | August 23, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

"Trent Williams may need help protecting McNabb"

Why?

He wasn't that bad, it was only his 2nd NFL game. He got beat on one play and it's correctable.

Other then that it wasn't that bad. For going up one of the best rushers on one of the best defenses I thought he did quite well.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | August 23, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunatley, LT is not a learn on the job type of position. Williams is talented but not the calibre of previous high No. 1 picks who started immediately at that position. The Redskins have the alternative of starting Jamal Brown at LT (assuming he's healthy) and starting Williams at RT in his first season. I wonder how many more games of Williams being schooled it will take before Shanahan makes the change.

Posted by: wizfan89 | August 23, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Jason Reid needs to be fired...his commentary on the team is always negative and usually inaccurate...

anyone who watched the game and can write "The Redskins attempted two deep passes that fell incomplete, punted and did nothing on offense for the remainder of the blowout loss." wasn't watching the game...

Armstrong was huge, Moss was huge across the middle...Fred Davis showed sparks...it's pre-season...that's what you're really looking for...

Did Williams get beat a few times...sure...so did Chris Samuels....it was the kid's second time facing real linemen and he didn't do that bad at all...especially if you compare him to someone like Stephon Heyer last year...

Sheesh, Jason....give it a rest and stay off of WPL too with your mopey dopey comments...

Posted by: rot8tor_man | August 23, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Suggs is a seven year vet and a three time Pro Bowler. Williams is a rookie who had played in one half of one preseason game. He was beaten here and there, but he won a few of the battles too. Overall, he pretty much held his own. When the regular season starts, of course your rookie left tackle is going to be given help against Pro-Bowl defensive pass rushers. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

Posted by: sonny2 | August 23, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

"Williams is talented but not the calibre of previous high No. 1 picks who started immediately at that position. posted by wizfan"

That's a strange notion. The consensus seems to be he's more talented than most. The questions mainly had to do with his work habits, and so far that doesn't seem to be a problem.

And Shanahan had good luck with Ryan Clady, who certainly isn't more talented than Trent.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 23, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey MrIrvin88,
Laugh it up now my friend. Hope TX treats you well, as it is much closer ot HELL than the Redskins.

Tony Romo, now there is a winner.......Why don't you win a few playoff games and then come back and we can chat!

Posted by: skins10 | August 23, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

There were some questions as to why Mario Williams' production was off last season. Although he started all 16 contests, he seemed to go backwards from the prior two years, losing ground in terms of sacks, assists, and total tackles. You have to wonder what was going on there.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 23, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

What happened to the Redskins? You all better sell that bandwagon to the junk man. The parts are worth more than it would cost to fix it at present.

9/12
Cowboys 35
Redskins 3

Posted by: PampaTex

PamperTex!!Where you been man?We miss you Pamper!Of all the trolls that come thru here you're my favorite cuz I just love saying PamperTex!!Now get the hell on and we'll see you in about 3 weeks.Tell Mrs.Pamper and the lil Pamplets we said hey!

Posted by: smittdiddy | August 23, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

suggs beating t. williams is no surprise he is more experienced at his position and a top player. williams will learn from this and keep moving trent cole used to get handled by c. samuels regularly until he eventually got better it happens, give williams help at times this team needs to get the run blocking timing down that would keep the heat off of mcnabb. On the depth chart they have at center rabach then lichtensteiger..to me that is stupid because even though the 2nd guy is younger he is still 292 lbs I know for a fact rabach or lichtensteiger are NOT stronger than e. williams who backs up dockery williams should be at center they don't have mike williams or r. thomas players who can blow people off of the line and hicks is no more than a avg run blocker at guard williams is the only guy (maybe capers and cook down the road) who can move people off the line of scrimmage. but then again rabach is a so-called white man he has priority right?...

Posted by: wathu19 | August 23, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

The best way to counter overanxious elite pass rushers is to run to their side, again and again and again. Until they are either beaten down by 300+ Olinemen or are second guessing themselves on play action passes. Hope Shanahan is experienced enough to see this and based on his past records, he appears to be. BTW, sad to see that Baltimore treated the second preseason game as if it was the NFC championship game and gave Zornie the gatorade treatment. But glad to see the Redskins stick to their vanilla game plan, despite the over-aggressiveness game planning of Baltimore. IT IS PRESEASON PEOPLE! Even Indianapolis got crushed by Buffalo, is that suppose to indicate that Indianapolis is "Overrated"?

Posted by: JohnWWW | August 23, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

MrIrvin88

The b!tch azz cowboys have not won anything since the 90's. Yall still hanging on Troy Michael the crack head and Emmitt. They have all been out of the league and in the Hall. That means they have been gone a long time. How long are you going to live on the 90's dogg? You are everyones superbowl pick in august and a colossal bust in november and december. What have you done lately? Nothing but get beat. Win something in the new millennium hater.

Posted by: ged0386 | August 23, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

The Cowboys played a team they're predicted to meet in Super Bowl XLV and they whupped the Chargers' butts in their own stadium and sent them on their way.
Posted by: MrIrvin88

The Cowboys "whipped the Chargers butts"???? The score was 16-14 and Tony Romo was 4-of-11 passing for 30 yards with a touchdown and an interception, finishing with a rating of just 37.3.

Hilarious!!!


Hilarious like the " SILVERBACK" blocking Suggs? or Hilarious like 4 and 12 and 0 and 6 in your own division? Better yet Hilarious like your 100million dollar D-Tackle who comes up with new diseases to prevent him from practicing during the week... talk about hilarious? Never a dull moment at Foreskin park!

Posted by: rlomax67 | August 23, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

MrIrvin88

The b!tch azz cowboys have not won anything since the 90's. Yall still hanging on Troy Michael the crack head and Emmitt. They have all been out of the league and in the Hall. That means they have been gone a long time. How long are you going to live on the 90's dogg? You are everyones superbowl pick in august and a colossal bust in november and december. What have you done lately? Nothing but get beat. Win something in the new millennium hater.


Win something you say? ( Won the NFC East 2 out of the last 3 seasons ) 4 and 12 got you down ? How about Zero and 6 in your own division ? and you say win? Lets not talk about being a bust come November - December... Your season is usually concluded by October!

Posted by: rlomax67 | August 23, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

MrIrvin88

The b!tch azz cowboys have not won anything since the 90's. Yall still hanging on Troy Michael the crack head and Emmitt. They have all been out of the league and in the Hall. That means they have been gone a long time. How long are you going to live on the 90's dogg? You are everyones superbowl pick in august and a colossal bust in november and december. What have you done lately? Nothing but get beat. Win something in the new millennium hater.

Excuse me... That would be HOF Michael Irvin the crackhead...

Posted by: rlomax67 | August 23, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

hate to inform you jason, this is how you learn the speed of the game, by getting beat, you even say he gave up one sack in a half. Unacceptable...I think you are the one who needs help or preferably a new job......NO TALENT HACK!

Posted by: klangley69 | August 23, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

That Guy was dizzie i bet lol, Suggs put it on him!

Big boy will be alright, Next year :)

Posted by: SOLVBACK | August 23, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Williams didn't do as bad as I initially thought but one thing for sure is left tackle is a tough position to play in the NFL. We can not forget that TW is a rookie and will have some growing pains. One thing I guess I should point out is that TW did come with some questions as far as his work ethic. Suggs did make it appear that TW needs to dedicate himself a little bit more in the weight room.

Posted by: MaxnDC | August 23, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Mrcrackhead you must be half retarded. All your post make no sense at all and you seem to know nothing about football. And bonggong is a retarded for agreeing with you. First off we will have 3 out 5 new starters on the o-line (jamal brown tackle, artis hicks-gaurd, trent william-tAckle) so until the season starts how can anyone say our line is trash when we haven't even seen what they r really capable of this year. Second, nothing matters until sept 12. Trent Williams will be an awesome and mcnabb just needs 2 stay healthy and then we should be ok. All u haters will finally see the light this year. Every year we say this is the year we will have a winning team, but I speak for me and all my true friends and skins fans that there really is a different feeling in the air. Something is different and it is hard to explain. But I am more hopeful than I have been in a couple years. And it will be proven in week one. See u haters in the play-offs!!
P. S. Irvin88 needs to chalk up on his football info and stick with his cowgirl team. I almost feel sorry for the little guy.

Posted by: murphyz703 | August 23, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

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