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Trent Williams' MRI shows no structural damage

It appears the Redskins have received some encouraging news about injured rookie left tackle Trent Williams, multiple people familiar with the situation said Monday.

An MRI of Williams's left knee revealed no structural damage, the sources said. Williams suffered a knee contusion and a sprained toe, tests showed, but the injuries were not nearly as serious as the team initially feared. Tony Wyllie, Redskins senior vice president, declined to comment about Williams's situation, saying Coach Mike Shanahan "will address all questions at 3 p.m."

The question now is whether Williams will play Sunday against the St. Louis Rams at St. Louis. One person in the organization said Williams wants to play this week, and the team has not ruled out the possibility. Williams was in a walking boot Sunday as a precaution, the sources said.

The injury occurred late in the fourth quarter of the Houston Texans' 30-27 overtime victory at FedEx Field. Williams went down as he was beaten for a sack by Texans all-pro defensive end Mario Williams, who had three sacks in the game.

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By Jason Reid  | September 20, 2010; 11:03 AM ET
Categories:  Trent Williams  
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Comments

First to say WOOHOO!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 20, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

pfunk, all I'm saying is throwing in a young player who didn't even make the final 53 isn't gonna magically make the running game go. I'm all for replacing Portis...but only if there's something better waiting in the wings. I'm not sure there is. If 5 guys are tripping over each other at the line of scrimmage, the only guy running around that mess is Barry Sanders and he's old and retired now...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 20, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse


I just don;t get it. By your logic, there is never a reason/scenario to give the next a guy a chance unless CP gets injured.

When your rushing game is basically the worst in the league (and after tonight, I'm betting that it will be statistically), whatever is waiting in the wings could not be worse.

With regards to CP/LJ; is there some kind of untapped potential we are waiting to see explode?

CP is supposedly healthier and more motivated this year than he's been in a long time. He looks no different from the unmotivated half-arsed injured bum we saw last season.

Arian Foster averaged 6 yards-per-touch (rushing/receiving) yesterday. He spent most of last season on the practice squad for the Texans, and apprently couldn't beat out Steve Slaton or Ryan Moats or whoever else they had on the 53 in front of him.

Just sayin...

Posted by: p1funk | September 20, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

thank goodness!

Posted by: nami322 | September 20, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Fantastic news.

I'd still rest him and Moore against STL.

Move Brown over to LT and have turnstile Heyer at RT.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 20, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

That's huge. Nobody wants to see the Stephen Heyer show.

Posted by: HunterB | September 20, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

"One person in the organization said Williams wants to play this week, and the team has not ruled out the possibility. Williams on Sunday was in a walking boot for precautionary reasons, the sources said."

You don't need a "source" to come to this conclusion. Pathetic.

ie - you have no sources now that JC and Rock are gone.

Posted by: oh_boy1 | September 20, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Great news! Hope they are carefull, and not play him if he isn't full go.

Posted by: VegasJim | September 20, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Good newz!!!!!!! Rest him a week def. Dude is a baller-mauler and we don't need to make injury worse.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 20, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

That's huge. Nobody wants to see the Stephen Heyer show.

Posted by: HunterB | September 20, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Seconded.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 20, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

ryp agreed, brown to LT, Heyer to RT, and if heyer sucks, then Heyer to unemployment line.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 20, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S ANALYSIS:

a) Too many mistakes at crucial times.

One mistake that has not been mentioned was when McNabb converted a 3rd and 20 to Moss deep in our own territory, but was negated by a hold against Stephon Heyer.

Posted by: rickyroge | September 20, 2010 11:08 AM

Oh it's been mentioned repeatedly

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 20, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

*A 4th & 10 hail mary-esque prayer was completed to tie the game

That wasn't Hail MAry-esque....AJ80 would win that match up 9 out of 10 times....and the other 1 out of 10 would have been pass interference......

*A Trent Williams injury translated into a Stephon Heyer holding penalty which killed a could-be game winning drive in regulation

Wow...so Heyer gets ONE holding penalty and now it's HIS FAULT....Wow....How about the offense was settling for FGs instead of Touchdowns early in the game? Heyer didn't have a terrible game. He was alright for the most part.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 20, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Seconded.

Posted by: rachel216

Thirdid. ;)

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | September 20, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Also:

Doughty stinks.

Heyer stinks.

LJ stinks.

Davis whiffed on his man on FG block...huge mistake. Wing guy HAS to chip the outside rusher.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 20, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Good newz!!!!!!! Rest him a week def. Dude is a baller-mauler and we don't need to make injury worse.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 20, 2010 11:14 AM

This comment is WAY out of bounds. If guys who didn't see the game can't have an opinion, then guys who aren't MD's and haven't seen the X-Rays can't have an opinion. Come back when you've finished med school with this advice. Or, at least, stayed in a Holiday Inn.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 20, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Thank god. If our dependence on Trent Williams wasn't evident before his injury, it certainly was after we saw Heyer replace him.

Posted by: psps23 | September 20, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Thank ya' Jesus!

Unless he's 100 percent, I'd move Brown to LT and call up Selvish Capers from the practice squad. He can't be any worse than Heyer -OR-

Move Hicks to RT and Lictenstiger to RG.

-OR-

Use Grossman as a human sacrifice next week and rest McNabb if Williams can't go and Stephon Heyer is in the game.

Posted by: rickyroge | September 20, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Move Brown over to LT and have turnstile Heyer at RT.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 20, 2010 11:12 AM |

Only problem there is that you start to mess with chemistry and Brown's comfort level with RT.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 20, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

If we had the slightest running game, Heyer at LT wouldn't be that big of a concern.

Posted by: oh_boy1 | September 20, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

yessssssssssssssssssssssssss.....

Redskins 30 Rams 6

Posted by: BarackObama | September 20, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Why are people in team sports so reluctant to say ONE particular player cost his team the game:

Clearly Alex Barron cost the COWBOYS the game last week.

FRED DAVIS clearly cost us points and ultimately the game!

GANO cost us the game.

I'm not saying these guys are bad players or didn't do good things, but these MISTAKES cost us the game.

You too REED DOUGHTY!!!!

HAIL!

Posted by: rickyroge | September 20, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Wow...so Heyer gets ONE holding penalty and now it's HIS FAULT....Wow....How about the offense was settling for FGs instead of Touchdowns early in the game? Heyer didn't have a terrible game. He was alright for the most part.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 20, 2010 11:18 AM |

I think it's safe to say that it's partly his fault, along with Fred Davis, Chris Horton, Reed Doughty, 1st and goal at the 7 resulting in a field goal, timeout to ice the kicker, Graham Gano "too relaxed", Joey Galloway overthrow/let up, no pass rush in the 4th quarter, almost 500 yards passing for the Texans, etc, etc. So yea, he's partly at fault.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 20, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

STOP FALSE STARTING ON THIRD & SHORT

Posted by: AdamCr | September 20, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Move Brown over to LT and have turnstile Heyer at RT.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 20, 2010 11:12 AM |

Sign Levi Jones

Posted by: beep-beep | September 20, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

NEW SOUPSTER CHOKES, MISSES WIDE WIDE OPEN GALLOWAY.

Like the Raiders we'd be better off with Gradkowski

Nice reverse zorn-ahan! How's that 3-4 working out.

portis scores 2, rogers gets a pick and we still suck.

Albert Haynesworth tested ankle, couldn't go (0-1 w/o haynesworth)

Graham Gano faces night of trials (choker)

LaRon Landry frustrated by having to leave field on Texans' winning drive (keep your head up your hurting yourself hittingyour own team, and hurting them too)

Trent Williams' MRI shows no structural damage (phew)

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 20, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

This is huge news for us. We've gone against 2 top-5 offenses from 2009 with a brand new head coach, offensive coordinator (& a new offense), defensive coordinator (& a new defense), quarterback, offensive line coach, kicker, etc., and we're 1-1, and tied for first place in the division.

With McNabb under center, we should (gulp) destroy St. Louis next week, and it shouldn't be close. We go up 27-10 against those clowns, and it should be lights out.

The main reason Houson stole this game away from us is due to them having the best passing offense in the NFL, and us having a beat up secondary. Hope KM & LL can be 100% soon.

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | September 20, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

If we can win somewhat comfortably this week and then win at PHilly (you know the team will be amped up for Donovan's return), a 3-1 start will erase yesterday's loss....

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 20, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Fix the line in the off season, not during it!!!!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 20, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Not sure if anyone posted this, but here's our favorite Cowboys fan dissecting the 0-2 start.

This guy is great.

http://tinyurl.com/Boysfan

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | September 20, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I blame Davis more than anyone else because he cost us points at an important time in the game. That blocked FG gave them momentum and kept it a 1 score game.
I guess I'd better stop talking, I'm upsetting a few people that can't take it, and getting their panties in a bunch. Waahh, he said it's Davis' fault, waaahh!

Posted by: monk811 | September 20, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

"That wasn't Hail MAry-esque....AJ80 would win that match up 9 out of 10 times....and the other 1 out of 10 would have been pass interference......"

Of course it was. And of course Johnson would win the matchup against Doughty. Doesn't change the fact that the defense had him covered, his route was broken off, and that was not the play design. Schaub was heavily pressured and knowing it was 4th down, he just heaved the ball in the air hoping for something special. Johnson bailed him out.

"Wow...so Heyer gets ONE holding penalty and now it's HIS FAULT....Wow....How about the offense was settling for FGs instead of Touchdowns early in the game? Heyer didn't have a terrible game. He was alright for the most part......."

Was somebody else holding on that play? I'm confused.

Heyer only played about 5 or 6 series. He was not rotated in as frequently as last week, and he was awful at the LT spot. He did play better at RT. Mario Williams beat him on a 3 man rush. It was exactly like watching Alex Barron attempt to block Brian Orakpo.

If that's "alright" by your standards, then so be it.

Posted by: psps23 | September 20, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Good news on TW...rest him against the Rams, have him ready to go for Philly the week after. If we can't beat the Rams down one lineman, we're not for real anyway...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 20, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

The best part about the Tom Brady ad is that my browser pauses momentarily during the load and it just so happens to pause right after the words NFL cheat are rendered.

Well anywho this is good news. We do not have another left tackle so losing trent will end our season.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 20, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

If we can win somewhat comfortably this week and then win at PHilly (you know the team will be amped up for Donovan's return), a 3-1 start will erase yesterday's loss....

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 20, 2010 11:27 AM

Ryp...will the skins be 3-0 or 4-0 after the loss is erased?

Posted by: PlayAction | September 20, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Graham Gano "too relaxed"

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 20, 2010 11:24 AM

That's not on Gano. It was a 52 yard FG. Relaxed or tense, it's not a chip shot. Sebastian Janikowski is 25 of 50 for field goals longer than 50 yards. So, Gano, at 1 for 2 yesterday, matched him.

Gano is the real deal.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 20, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse


It's become apparent to me that MSellers doesn't have what it takes to start for the Redskins at H-Back/Fullback anymore. What other options do we have ?

Posted by: hessone | September 20, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

There is a saying we use in set construction:

Sturdy for Thirty, I will now apply it the shan-askins

sturdy for thirty, good half men

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 20, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

4th Floor...

Completely disagree with you brother. We got good pressure on Schaub on that "Hail Mary". Doughty has to make that play. You aren't gonna win anything letting a team beat you like that.

I have defended Stephon Heyer in the past, but he is barely a serviceable backup LT.

It's o.k. (to me) to say that a player made a mistake that cost his team the game. We made a ton of em'...some worse than others and at crtical times.

Posted by: rickyroge | September 20, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Good news on TW...rest him against the Rams, have him ready to go for Philly the week after.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 20, 2010 11:28 AM

Caught another guy practicing medicine without a license!

Hey, brownwood, my daughter's Achilles tendon is sore but there's no structural damage. What should she do?

Posted by: beep-beep | September 20, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

pfunk, it's simple really...if a guy is outplaying your starter in camp/practice, you go with him. I could understand your logic if Shanahan was just playing Portis. But Portis got pulled in the 3rd quarter. They went with LJ...no dice. They went with Williams...nothing. They put 3 different backs in the game and got the same result. That tells me it's the line, not entirely the RBs.

The Texans example is flawed...Foster won that gig in training camp/preseason this year. If we had a younger and better option, he'd be playing. We don't. So pulling Portis doesn't do anything except change the name of the player we're blaming for the lack of rushing.

As I said...I'm all for pulling Portis. But only if we're putting in someone better. That guy ain't on the roster, or he'd be starting.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 20, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

hessone

"...let's not forget it was Shanahan that started icing NFL kickers in 2007 vs the Oakland Raiders."


I forgot about that.

And when CBS flashed the time out situation before Gano's kick, I hoped Shanny would call a timeout (we had two) to settle the kid down, seeing how Kubiak was out to 'ice' him.

And let's not begrudge Kubiak's coaching performace either.

Dude is a good coach.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 20, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Good to hear. Probably the best thing I've heard regarding the Redskins since the 3rd quarter yesterday.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 20, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Fix the line in the off season, not during it!!!!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 20, 2010 11:27 AM

This is a matter of folk wisdom: "Don't change hogs in mid-stream."

Hey, pabrain, best time to fix something is when it's broken.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 20, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Hey, brownwood, my daughter's Achilles tendon is sore but there's no structural damage. What should she do?

Posted by: beep-beep | September 20, 2010 11:34 AM


Get a new father, and call me in the morning...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 20, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse


MistaMoe

And let's not begrudge Kubiak's coaching performace either.

Dude is a good coach.

And let's not forget who groomed Kubiak to be a head coach.

Posted by: hessone | September 20, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

AJ80 is the BEST WR in the league. How was Doughty, a backup SS, going to stop him?

And for all the 'I'm glad TW72 is OK!' crowd. READ THIS:

"The injury occurred late in the fourth quarter of the Houston Texans' 30-27 overtime victory at FedEx Field. Williams went down as he was beaten for a sack by Texans all-pro defensive end Mario Williams, who had three sacks in the game.

By Jason Reid
"

He gave up a sack. Everyone is gonna give up a sack here and there. So to just point the finger at Heyer is ridiculous. MWilliams was a 1st overall draft pick...And they still coulda/shoulda won....

I think everyone is lumping the petty mistakes in with the major mistakes.

The Skins need to focus on the run game/Passing connections (which will improve over the course of the season)/Run stopping/PAss defense over the middle.....That's it...Championship...

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 20, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

yeah mack, I didn't see the game, so only those who saw the game can weigh in on it....yep, Its all Fred Davis's fault...no one else had one misstep...just david......yikes...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 20, 2010 11:06 AM

Well kind of Greg. That's sort of the difference between a knowledgeable opinion and talking sh1t.
And the blocked kick was all Fred Davis' fault. How do I know? I saw it.

Posted by: mack1 | September 20, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Get a new father, and call me in the morning...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 20, 2010 11:39 AM

Good advice, Dr. Brownwood! I've been encouraging this for three years -- ever since she became a surly teenager. As for calling you in the morning, she's not awake that early.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 20, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

4th, gotta add clean execution of FG attempst....2 weeks two botched attempts...Kickers miss 50+ yarders and I think Gano is a keeper...but can't like the other pieces that go into actually seeing if ball splits posts or not.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 20, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Deangelo Hall, on whether Jim Haslett will be open to his new demand of covering the opposing team's top receiver, [ir]regardless of scheme/play call: "It don't matter what he say. This is my team. This is my defense."

Posted by: 4-12 | September 20, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse


It's become apparent to me that MSellers doesn't have what it takes to start for the Redskins at H-Back/Fullback anymore. What other options do we have ?

Posted by: hessone | September 20, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

4th - Heyer played in 2 series at LT. The first series he held MWilliams and killed the drive. The second series he let up a sack to MWilliams that would have killed the drive, but was saved for a stupid late hit by a Houston lineman.

I know you support the guy, but he was and is awful at that position.

And nobody only pointed the finger at Heyer. You know very well you took that Heyer bullet point out of a list of miscues for the Redskins for why they blew that game.

And those plays, including Heyer's, were not "petty."

Posted by: psps23 | September 20, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

It's no shame that Reed Doughty can't compete for a jump ball with Andre Johnson.

However, I think we all know that Leigh Torrence would have picked that pass off to seal the victory.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 20, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I remember when Pabrian was just a total homer. When did he turn into an A hole?

Posted by: VegasJim | September 20, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I remember when Pabrian was just a total homer. When did he turn into an A hole?

Posted by: VegasJim | September 20, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I really thought that Kubiak freezing Gano struck Shanahan the wrong way. Why didn't he freeze the Texan kicker? Guess he thought it was bushleague. I know its part of the game, but I still think Shanahan sent Kubiak a little message.

Posted by: Spanglerg | September 20, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

* Blocked FG attempt was totally Fred Davis' fault. If you watched the replay you can see that he didn't even bother pinching the guy.

* 4th, I know Heyer is your peoples, but you must let the blind allegiance go, man. Heyer doesn't belong in the NFL. In training camp your boy Keim had him on his "duds" list DAILY. I really don't understand how anyone can vouch for this dude at all. He's awful. End of story.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 20, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

"...gotta add clean execution of FG attempst....2 weeks two botched attempts..."


I dunno.

To me, the field goals don't even happen if the play calling is smarter.

In the Dallas' game, we shouldn't have been trying to run back to back corner fades.

Yesterday, the 1st field goal came after we didn't try any passing into the end zone for 6 points.

Settling for the field goal without attempting to throw the ball into the end zone is an issue this team has had for years.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 20, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

It's no shame that Reed Doughty can't compete for a jump ball with Andre Johnson.

However, I think we all know that Leigh Torrence would have picked that pass off to seal the victory.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 20, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

The ball would have glanced off of his Super Bowl ring. It's highly doubtful that the Saints would have won last year without Leigh Torrence....

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | September 20, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

More from D. Hall (courtesy of the Twitter): "From here on out, I’m going to wherever the f***ing ball is going. Wherever the receiver is going, that’s where the f*** I’m going."

Posted by: 4-12 | September 20, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Why didn't he freeze the Texan kicker? Guess he thought it was bushleague. I know its part of the game, but I still think Shanahan sent Kubiak a little message.

Posted by: Spanglerg | September 20, 2010 11:56 AM

No, not at all. This is known as the Shanahan Gambit, since Shanahan first used it -- successfully -- on Janikowski a few years ago. He didn't do it because it was a shorter kick and a more experienced kicker. And, maybe they were expecting a freeze so Shanny wanted to make them kick unprepared.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 20, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I really thought that Kubiak freezing Gano struck Shanahan the wrong way. Why didn't he freeze the Texan kicker? Guess he thought it was bushleague. I know its part of the game, but I still think Shanahan sent Kubiak a little message.

Posted by: Spanglerg | September 20, 2010 11:56 AM

Can you imagine what we'd be saying today if Shanny called timeout as the Texans kicker shanked one? And then made the second attempt...

Posted by: PlayAction | September 20, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me Larry Johnson's tank is empty. He's not the back he once was and seeing him run the ball several times yesterday just kind of made me feel that it's the end of the road for him. CP needs a backup who can make a difference and Larry is just not that guy. There's no patience to be shown here. He was slow and not decisive in the preaseaon and now in the regular season. His blocking and pass catching are not good. Shanahan has got to do something about this and as much as I hate to say this because LJ is a great guy, he's got to get cut.

Posted by: getitritegov | September 20, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I think the biggest problem with Heyer is that he's top-heavy; that's bad for an O-linemen. Ideally, you want your weight to be evenly distributed. Heyer is like a lump-on-legs.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 20, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

4-12, are those real quotes?

Posted by: psps23 | September 20, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Davis whiffed on his man on FG block...huge mistake. Wing guy HAS to chip the outside rusher.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 20, 2010 11:18 AM
-----------------------------------
there were two guys rushing on his side he has to take the inside guy as he has a more direct route to the ball...he tried to get a hand on the dud but he missed..however his technique was right...you block from the inside out

Posted by: jcnjcnj | September 20, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

There is good news in this city!

Posted by: richs91 | September 20, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Best way to get more rushing yards Is to encourage 4-3 defenses to abruptly switch to a 3-4, then have a childish feud with your best d lineman...done.

Beeps the line was broken all last season, the time to fix it has passed

new soupster choked big time. Maybe Galloway could have ran under that horribly overthrown pass if he was 5 or 10 or 15 years younger.

Sturdy for thirty, we suck again. Off season champs

zornahan and the zornskins

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 20, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

If guys who didn't see the game can't have an opinion, then guys who aren't MD's and haven't seen the X-Rays can't have an opinion.

Posted by: beep-beep


Advising a guy should sit out as a precautionary measure isn't the same thing as giving analysis on a game you haven't seen 1 minute of.

The two don't even compare.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 20, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I really thought that Kubiak freezing Gano struck Shanahan the wrong way. Why didn't he freeze the Texan kicker? Guess he thought it was bushleague. I know its part of the game, but I still think Shanahan sent Kubiak a little message.

Posted by: Spanglerg | September 20, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I doubt that. Freezing the kicker is known as Shanahanigans. I think Shanahan was just going for the reverse double freeze.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 20, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

There is good news in this city!

About that running game. Gotta try another back besides Portis. Grandmama must go. Runs like he's in quicksand.

Posted by: richs91 | September 20, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

4-12, are those real quotes?

Posted by: psps23 | September 20, 2010 12:01 PM

Can't be...my sources tell me DHall never ever drops the F Bomb.

Posted by: PlayAction | September 20, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse


And the blocked kick was all Fred Davis' fault. How do I know? I saw it.

Posted by: mack1 | September 20, 2010 11:43 AM |

co-sign, FDavis is struggling with his blocking to say the least. Kicking game is an issue:

4 of 6 with 2 misses, 1 blocked, and 1 bad snap that resulted in no points. This is unexceptable in the NFL after 7 attempts. And, I'm not counting one high snap that Bidwell got down and the kick was good. Bring back the red snapper if he's available.

Posted by: hessone | September 20, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Davis thought Gano's approach was too slow on the blocked FG. Said normally the ball would be gone by that time. While Davis certainly missed the chip, I have to agree with him that it's also partially Gano's fault. You have to know they're doing everything for a block there. He's got to have urgency on that kick.

Posted by: psps23 | September 20, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

The biggest problem with Heyer is he's alomost as good as Brown. If Brown was a significant upgrade heyer wouldn't be getting reps

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 20, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the McNabb pass to Galloway was "horribly overthrown" at all. It was slightly overthrown. And Galloway, at 38, just doesn't have the burst he used to.

If that's Moss running under that ball, he catches it.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 20, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Deangelo Hall, on whether Jim Haslett will be open to his new demand of covering the opposing team's top receiver, [ir]regardless of scheme/play call: "It don't matter what he say. This is my team. This is my defense."

Posted by: 4-12


While I appreciate DHall's leadership and newfound ownership of his role on defense. No way he would have kept Johnson from making that catch. Hall is only 5'11 and you can't teach hops!

Only way we could have stopped that play was to either get to the Qb or double AJohnson so that Schaub looks somewhere else.

Posted by: Predator48 | September 20, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"Seems to me Larry Johnson's tank is empty."


The dumbest action yesterday was Johnson attempting to reverse field on a bad run in an NFL game.

The players are too fast to this to, and Johnson is too slow to try.

We posted all summer that LJ is done.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 20, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

* 4th, I know Heyer is your peoples, but you must let the blind allegiance go, man. Heyer doesn't belong in the NFL. In training camp your boy Keim had him on his "duds" list DAILY. I really don't understand how anyone can vouch for this dude at all. He's awful. End of story.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 20, 2010 11:58 AM

Heyer is brutally bad. But the coaches should have known that when they lined him up at LT and expected him to block Williams 1 on 1. They should have compensated for his suckiness by sending a TE or a RB over to help with Williams.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | September 20, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

psps, Keim was critical of DHall's reaction (on the field and post game) to Doughty's botches last week and this.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 20, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Real quotes, unless Maese, Reid, Keim, et al are making it up [which a certain portion of peeps up here will always believe, no matter how stupid it makes them sound]

Posted by: 4-12 | September 20, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

All the talk about CP being done and LJ being washed up is pre-mature for the season..its only been 2 games and yes we suck at running the ball but the oline has to do better...the backs need holes or seam to get through and the oline is not providing those hole/seams now...offense always takes longer to gel but it will..if we had won the game this talk would be minimal but we lost...lets see how we do this week against the Rams...if CP or LJ have a big game please dont talk about how revived they are...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | September 20, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep

Sort of like guys talking about the law and trial practice who haven't a clue. Where's Cork anyway?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 20, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Whether it's true or not, PFT's got it:

DeAngelo Hall: "It's my team, my defense"
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 20, 2010 11:54 AM ET
Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall wasn't thrilled with his teammates after they coughed up a 34-yard touchdown to Andre Johnson on fourth-and-ten late in regulation.


"Shouldn't have happened," Hall said Sunday night, via John Keim of the Washington Examiner. "We had the perfect play call. Just didn't make the play. Shouldn't have happened. Should have never happened."

Cornerback Philip Buchanon and safety Reed Doughty had the coverage on the play. Even though Hall said it was the perfect play call, he came up with a correction for it on Monday.

"DeAngelo Hall made it clear he's following the other team's top receiver from now on and that's just the way it is," Jason Reid of the Washington Post wrote on twitter Monday.

That's not really Hall's decision to make. But he says it is.

"Its my team, my defense," Hall said.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 20, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

He was five yards behind any defender, it could have been underthrown, accurate, or overthrown and still caught

= horribly overthrown

but, yes, we were too old and zorn-ahan made us older somehow

Galloway, holliday, etc.

Cut Mitchell bench Thomas and throw incomplete fades to some dude

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 20, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I agree. I don't think D. Hall would have kept Johnson from making that catch either.

In fact, probably the only Redskin in recent history who could have is Sean Taylor, who was almost Johnson's height and had a great vertical leap.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 20, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

More Hall: on the 4th-and-10 TD: P. Buchanon "kind of came off a little bit early, but you won’t expect Reed [Doughty] to win that battle anyway."


Yikes.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 20, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

At the start of the 3 quarter, I turned to my wife and said "our lack of running game is going to kill us. We are leading by 10 points but we only rushed for 10 yards in the first half".

Posted by: tundey | September 20, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

So when does Ryan Torain get a phone call? I'd much rather see a young buck trying to make his amrk then an old guy like LJ fall apart.

I don't blame Doughty for not making the play on AJ80. The ball was thrown too high for Doughty and probably all of our DBs. I think AJ80 comes down with that ball no matter who is covering him.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 20, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

"new soupster choked big time."

Keep drinking the haterade. Dont see you defending Soups after getting benched.

Posted by: swowra | September 20, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

mrredskin21

"I don't think the McNabb pass to Galloway was "horribly overthrown" at all."

Sir, if you get to see that entire series of plays again, you'll see K Shanahan may have reached for wasn't there.

The team calleda series of quick passing plays that didn't run down the clock.

The new philosophy is that you pass to open up the game for 4th quarter perserve-the-victory-via the running game.

Kyle Shanahan violated that rule.

Had the team used dink/dunk passing to slow the game down, they would've taken time and opportunity away from the Texans.

Remember: they scored as the clock wound down--and they had time because late game play calling gave it to them.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 20, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

17 kickers in 11 years. This is the best evidence that kicker is the least of our problems.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 20, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

but, yes, we were too old and zorn-ahan made us older somehow

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 20, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I now change my vote. Since this idiot, pabrainiac, seems to be on the team, I blame him for causing us to lose. Big dumb dork!

Posted by: monk811 | September 20, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

IT's not that Heyer is my boy....It's that Heyer is near the bottom of list of our 'Things to Correct'....is all I was/am saying...

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 20, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

GOOD.

I WANT fire and passion and guys who care.

I'd rather have 1 DHall than 10 Haynesworths.

DHall was ASKED to be a leader of this defense, and so far he has been.

DHall has been playing balls out so far this year and Reed has been watching WRs celebrate the whole time.

Sometimes guys just need to get on each other.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 20, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Once they go and beat the Lambs and are 2-1, everyone will be happy again.

I'm not that upset about this loss. The Texnas are one of the most explosive offenses in the league, and at the end of the day it's a non-conference loss.

I just hope Houston finishes Dallas off next week. If the Girls go to 0-3, they will be effectively buried.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 20, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

hall's twitter had to be hacked...that doesn't sound like him...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 20, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Glad to hear that bit of news there. Just think if we had drafted Okung with our pick, I don't believe he has played a down this season for the Seahawks yet.

Posted by: PublicEnemy1 | September 20, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Gradkowski is better than Campbell not a problem. The problem is gradkowski is better that new soupster

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 20, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Glad to hear that bit of news there. Just think if we had drafted Okung with our pick, I don't believe he has played a down this season for the Seahawks yet.

Posted by: PublicEnemy1 | September 20, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

don't think the McNabb pass to Galloway was "horribly overthrown" at all. It was slightly overthrown. And Galloway, at 38, just doesn't have the burst he used to.

If that's Moss running under that ball, he catches it.

Posted by: MrRedskin21

If that's Moss running under that ball, he's shown up at the wrong ballpark.

Posted by: TheCork | September 20, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Great news for TW, need to sit this kid until he is fully fully recovered. There is no sense in rusing this rook out their w a knee injury. So far He has played up to the lofty expectations placed on him and he could be a real cornerstone in the future.

Also F sleepy Fred Davis and F icing timeouts.

Posted by: Stu27 | September 20, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

"hall's twitter had to be hacked...that doesn't sound like him..."

We better hope so.

Posted by: psps23 | September 20, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Glad to hear that bit of news there. Just think if we had drafted Okung with our pick, I don't believe he has played a down this season for the Seahawks yet.

Posted by: PublicEnemy1 | September 20, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

"In fact, probably the only Redskin in recent history who could have is Sean Taylor, who was almost Johnson's height and had a great vertical leap."

Taylor wouldn't have had to jump because AJ would've been too afraid to attempt trying to catch the ball.

Posted by: demonj21 | September 20, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

That was a helluva catch by Johnson. He grabbed it with two hands at height of his jump. Then, as he was coming down, he quickly tucked it to his body with his right hand as Doughty pulled down on his left. I don't see DHall stopping that except with PI.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 20, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I can't and won't defend Hall for his recent comments. No excuse can be made at all. It's a real d-bag move to call your teammates out in the media.

WTF does he think he's going to accomplish by doing this? Is this suppose to make Doughty dig deep for that talent he's never had in the first place? All this bravado about him checking the opposing teams top WR and how it's his team, his defense, is going to blow up in his face and make him look stupid in the end. Watch.

WTF is wrong with dude? Looks like he's taking the "leadership" role and running wild with it. This sh*t is not cool at all. You don't call out players or coaches in the media. If you got a beef with a player or coach you confront him like a man. All this sh*t talking to the media is a pussy move on DeAngelo Hall's part.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 20, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 20, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse


Hey pabrian.

Weren't you up here talking about "karma" last week?

Aren't you the guy who likes to post DMac's and Jason Shambles' comparative passer ratings?

So? How do the numbers look?

And what is your take on all of us Jason Campbell "haters" this week you sad-sack idiot??

Your boy is standing on the tarmac with a one-way ticket to "Career Backup-Land"; he sucks so bad that Raiders could only stomach him for a game and a half.

Chump.

Posted by: p1funk | September 20, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

More:

Hall stopped short of saying he would have prevented Andre Johnson's fourth-and-10 TD: "That’s an opportunity that I need."
D. Hall also said of Schaub: "He was falling down without anyone around him, like Peyton Manning does a lot."

Posted by: 4-12 | September 20, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Gradkowski is better than Campbell not a problem. The problem is gradkowski is better that new soupster

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 20, 2010 12:22 PM

Does everyone now see what we're dealing with here? Apparently Gradkowski > McNabb > Campbell. You cannot argue with crazy. If you chose to do so, I say good luck and make sure you bring enough bread crumbs to find your way home.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | September 20, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Gradkowski is better than Campbell not a problem. The problem is gradkowski is better that new soupster

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 20, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Man, I thought for sure Williams would be done for the year. Most of the time when a player is injured and either carted off or is worked-on on the sidelines and you see him hit the ground or throw a little tantrum, then that's a good sign he knows he's done for the year. When Williams was down on the ground yesterday he got upset and hit the ground with his fist, we dodged a bullet there!

Posted by: monk811 | September 20, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse


17 kickers in 11 years. This is the best evidence that kicker is the least of our problems.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 20, 2010 12:18 PM |

We've attempted 7 FG's. We've made 4. Since when is the kicking game just a kickers responsibility ? Bad snaps, 2 so far, 1 resulting in no points in the red zone. FDavis missing his assignment and the kick getting blocked is not a good start to the season at all for the kicking game. Am I missing something here ?

Posted by: hessone | September 20, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

that's my redskins

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | September 20, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

red, you think its legit?? Sounds a little fishy to me......sounds a little like a fake PFT post...hate them things...get me every time...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 20, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I just hope Houston finishes Dallas off next week. If the Girls go to 0-3, they will be effectively buried.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 20, 2010 12:19 PM |
-------------------------------: ---
exactly...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | September 20, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

The D'Angelo Hall twitter links at PFT are now broken.

There aren't any twitter posts on DHall's twitter account after 9/14. Guess they got erased. No problem with a guy being passionate and then deleting later when he has a chance to cool off. Or he got his a** tore up by the coaching staff this morning for posting them and undermining Haslett's authority.

Posted by: swowra | September 20, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

"Trent Williams' MRI shows no structural damage"

And there was rejoicing throughout the land.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 20, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

That catch by Johnson is stopped easily by fronting him. You don't have to jump over the man, and you don't have to catch the ball as a defender. Somebody getting in front of Johnson and getting a fingertip to the ball to deflect it would have been enough. That's not a lot to ask of any secondary member. If the catch were as easy as athleticism, that would be a go-to play for Houston, as 99% of defensive backs can't scrape his athletic ability.

Posted by: psps23 | September 20, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

More:

Hall on Andre Johnson: "During the game, he didn’t scare me. He didn’t do anything to make me feel like he was the best. "

Hall on Johnson: "Maybe the numbers indicate he is, but I didn't feel that way when I lined up against him."


[Please Please Please jsut stop talking DHall]

Posted by: 4-12 | September 20, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes guys just need to get on each other.

Posted by: Rypien11


Agree 100%.


But not through the media or f-ing twitter. He should've confronted Doughty face to face. Doesn't have to be just him and Hall, he could've done it in front of the entire team. But not through the media or g-damn twitter.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 20, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

WTF is everyone bashing Hall all of a sudden? Sh!t, that's one of dem joints you get heated at, even after sleeping on it.

(This is not twitter, this is the open locker room Q&A)

Remember, we don't live in a perfect world where everyone gives perfect answers. This dude is a baller, and that's what we need more of.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 20, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Um...not from DHall twitter. From the reporters twittytwatty.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 20, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse


Let's just forget about DHall and talk football. The guy just runs his mouth and nothing worth listening to comes out.

Posted by: hessone | September 20, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

And this is why Dhall has in the past rubbed peeps the wrong way. For every good act there is a bad one.

Posted by: Stu27 | September 20, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

And we still suck and our o line still sucks and zorn-ahan's team was sturdy for thirty, so we all lose.

I WAS positive and optimistic and supportive for years and this blog with it's hatred jaded me, karma

new soupster sucks, zorn-ahan sucks. We didn't get better or younger. Carter and orakpo look great in pass coverage, huh?

0-1 without haynesworth, 1-0 with him.

Portis 2 TDs. Were awesome. Rogers showed gret hands on his pickles.

Wah wah now we see what we're dealing with wah wah

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 20, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

We've attempted 7 FG's. We've made 4. Since when is the kicking game just a kickers responsibility ? Bad snaps, 2 so far, 1 resulting in no points in the red zone. FDavis missing his assignment and the kick getting blocked is not a good start to the season at all for the kicking game. Am I missing something here ?

Posted by: hessone | September 20, 2010 12:28 PM
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no you're not missing it...we need to take care of this quickly..Gano is a good kicker..and i think he'll win some games for us if he's called upon...he got iced yesterday no doubt but i believe he'll bounce back and kick well from here on. Why wasn't the Red Snapper resigned..only Shanny knows for sure..i guess he wanted his stamp on all aspects of the team..why was Hunter the punter/holder resign...ask your local shanahan about that one also...you get what you pay for..

Posted by: jcnjcnj | September 20, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

All the talk about CP being done and LJ being washed up is pre-mature

Posted by: jcnjcnj | September 20, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

pre-mature???

That talk has been going on for at least a year.

The "buzz" was that both of those guys were now healthy and motivated and focused and many of us bought into that crap.

Instead we have the 30th ranked rushing offense in the NFL (it will be 32nd after the Saints-49ers game tonight).

Even behind a "bad" Oline, players with something - anything - left in the tank figure out how to do more than rank last in rushing in the NFL.

Posted by: p1funk | September 20, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

"This dude is a baller, and that's what we need more of.....

Posted by: 4thFloor"

Like Albert Haynesworth?

Posted by: psps23 | September 20, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

hess/stu, lets wait until DHall confirms its from him, and not a hacked account....

don't get it twisted though, reed needs to get called out for his play...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 20, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Um...not from DHall twitter. From the reporters twittytwatty.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 20, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Okay, not DHall tweets, but, anyway, the links at PFT are broken except for the Keim article. Not sure what to make of that.

Posted by: swowra | September 20, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | September 20, 2010 12:29 PM

It wasn't as simple as you're making it. The ball was enroute as Johnson made his way to Doughty. They're both looking at the ball. Doughty never had a chance to front AJ. AJ jumped quicker and snatched the ball at the top of his jump.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 20, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

This game reminded me a lot of the Saints game last year. A game we had all but won, only to have problems late against a great QB.

Its early to be thinking playoffs, but given the state of the NFC East, this would have been a really good win to have gotten. Everyone has a tough schedule and to get to the playoffs, we'll have to beat several decent teams and all the bad ones. We have little margin for error.

I doubt Houston runs the table vs the Beast, but no one is going to beat that team easily, either.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 20, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

There blasting Hall cause there haters, and gossipy biotches. That's what we do here. It took me a while but now I do it too.

New soupster is old and sucky
zorn-ahan is the off season champion

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 20, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

It's become apparent to me that MSellers doesn't have what it takes to start for the Redskins at H-Back/Fullback anymore. What other options do we have ?

Posted by: hessone | September 20, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Had high hopes that was what the kid (Dennis Morris) from La Tech was drafted for, but since we traded him to the Rams midway through pre-season in exchange for a ham sandwich, apparently he wasn't fulfiling his promise. Bummer, because I agree Sellers could and should be easily upgraded...

Posted by: PDXskin | September 20, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | September 20, 2010 12:30 PM

Yeah probably. But I still like to see it nonetheless. I'm sure it will all blow over in a couple days.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 20, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

There blasting Hall cause there haters, and gossipy biotches. That's what we do here. It took me a while but now I do it too.

New soupster is old and sucky
zorn-ahan is the off season champion

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 20, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Guess they are just bad links at PFT...seeing the tweet from Reid now.

DHall stirring up trouble.

Posted by: swowra | September 20, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

beans, if they're fake, then good. But I don't think they are. Guess we'll find out later on today or in the next few days.


If those are real, then Hall should be fined no less than $20,000 by the Redskins front office and be forced to apologize to Reed Doughty and Phil Buchanon in front of the entire team.


You don't do your teammates like that. Those guys are trying, especially Doughty. They aren't "Haynesworthing" it. These are two guys in your unit that you've been bleeding and sweating with since April. You would think that regardless of skill set, how much they get paid, or where they come from that everyone respects everyone that you go to war with every Sunday.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 20, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Agree 100%.


But not through the media or f-ing twitter. He should've confronted Doughty face to face. Doesn't have to be just him and Hall, he could've done it in front of the entire team. But not through the media or g-damn twitter.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 20, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse


10 out of 10 times Doughty loses that matchup with AJ. We all know that. We knew that going into the game.

The problem is the defensove scheme that puts Doughty in that matchup.

Hall isn't calling out Reed so much as he's calling out Haslett and Co., IMO. And frankly I think he's right.

Your safeties are a libailty in coverage. Put your best cover corner on their best WR and let it play out.

Posted by: p1funk | September 20, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Shanny to DHall: DeeDee. You're my top corner and I love ya. But don't ever take sides with anyone against the family again. Ever."

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 20, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse


don't get it twisted though, reed needs to get called out for his play...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 20, 2010 12:37 PM |

Agreed, but it should take place in private.


Posted by: hessone | September 20, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

"This dude is a baller, and that's what we need more of.....

Posted by: 4thFloor"

Like Albert Haynesworth?

Posted by: psps23 | September 20, 2010 12:36 PM

AH92 isn't a baller...don't understand how you would corralte (sp?) the 2...

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 20, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I dont feel bad for Doughty about that AJ play. There is literally not one single Dback in the league that defends that ball, that is why A Johnson is currently considered the best in the game.

I do feel bad for Doughty due to the the amount of punishment Dirty 30 laid on him. LL knocked the ish out of him on a couple a plays, he got the worst hits of the night laid on em.

Posted by: Stu27 | September 20, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Hearing that D HAll staged a nutty in the locker room today. Hopefully nothing more than trying to fire up the Defense.

But Im not holding my breath on that

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 20, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Hearing that D HAll staged a nutty in the locker room today. Hopefully nothing more than trying to fire up the Defense.

But Im not holding my breath on that

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 20, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

LH, both Doughty and Johnson jumped from a relative standstill. Either Doughty needs to front him or he needs use Johnson as leverage in that jump ball situation. There is no excuse for letting a WR win a jump ball when all you have to do is ensure he doesn't catch it. It was a poor play by Doughty.

Posted by: psps23 | September 20, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Quotes are from open locker room this morning...no shenanihanigans from me...

Posted by: 4-12 | September 20, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

new soupster sucks,

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 20, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

DMac
28/38 426yds 1TD 0to 119 rating

In "Pabrian-land" this apparently "sucks".

Pabs, you and Jason Shambles deserve each other.

You will live out a long and happy life together in your delusionally constructed universe where DMac "sucks" and Jason campbell is a starting-caliber QB who is simply a victim of unfair circumstances.

Posted by: p1funk | September 20, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

red, agreed, on doing that to teammates, not to mention what he said about Hasletts defense, if they are indeed true...

Not sure where we can get breaking Redskins related news.....hmmmmmm tis a mystery....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 20, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

They got the D Hall audio on 980 right now.. Hes fired up

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 20, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | September 20, 2010 12:41 PM

We don't want that for real. I saw Miles Austin spin DHall like a top last week on a route last week. Those things don't get talked about after wins. Dont' get it twisted, Hall is no Revis or Asomugha.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 20, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | September 20, 2010 12:35 PM
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i know it been talked up for year now...

but i'd to know what back have you seen gain yardage when the dline is penetrating the backfield...of course a back can scramble around reverse the field things like that but it rare that they gain much..B Sanders did it alot i know but he also lost the most yards...i just saying the the offense in my opinion begins and end with the oline..for any team...no oline equals a struggling run game and passing game....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | September 20, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I wonder when Hall will start to wear out his welcome. He just talks entirely too much!

Posted by: thecomedian1 | September 20, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Jacobs wants out of NY. Would he be a fit here? Just wondering after our stellar showing of our run-game. He's breakable at his size but he's still relative effective in a way that Sellers is not.

Sellers, by the way, has had an opening 2 games to forget.

Any thoughts?

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | September 20, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

D Hall says that he dont care what Haslett says, he is going to cover the top guy. He said "I dont what he says, its my team"

Wow

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 20, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

We play a high risk/high reward style of defense. Against an average QB with average talent around him, its going to be pretty effective. But against a top QB who has receivers he can trust, the risks are going to show up.

And that is what happened on Sunday. The defense made a lot of plays, applied plenty of pressure -- and Houston dealt with it effectively.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 20, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | September 20, 2010 12:43 PM

Easy for you to say.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 20, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Wow...so Heyer gets ONE holding penalty and now it's HIS FAULT....Wow....How about the offense was settling for FGs instead of Touchdowns early in the game? Heyer didn't have a terrible game. He was alright for the most part.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 20, 2010 11:18 AM |

What are you talking about? The second Heyer came in our production dropped off considerably, if Heyer didn't suck so bad, he wouldn't have had to hold and it would be a different story. Same goes for Horton, Davis, Doughty (although come on #80 was catching that ball no matter who on our roster covered him), even Gano all didn't come through in clutch situations. It is the anatomy of a blown game. Bottom line, multiple blown chances, but Heyer should be scooping ice cream at Coldstone not playing ANY position in the NFL.

Posted by: JLaCanfora | September 20, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

We don't want that for real. I saw Miles Austin spin DHall like a top last week on a route last week. Those things don't get talked about after wins. Dont' get it twisted, Hall is no Revis or Asomugha.

Posted by: learnedhand1

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Definitely agree. Hall is a under a self-imposed illusion right now. He's played excellent thus far, but he's not Nnamdi/Revis/Champ. And he certainly doesn't warrant modifying the entire defensive scheme to fit his desires.

Posted by: psps23 | September 20, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

To all the Reed Doughty excuse-makers.

That's his coverage.

That's his ball.

That's his man.

That's his play.

This is the second week in a row his inability to defend his coverage/man/ball/play has resulted in a late-game passing TD to put the team on the ropes.

Posted by: p1funk | September 20, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

no thanks on Jacobs, he's looked done since last year....he'd be a bigger slower version of LJ....time to get KWilliams some carries..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 20, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

"Hall isn't calling out Reed so much as he's calling out Haslett and Co., IMO. And frankly I think he's right."


Really?


So acting like complete chest out asshat, pops off via Twitter, and he gets a pass... for what exactly? If he's got a problem with Doughty being in there, here's a thought: WHY NO GOT TO HASELETT?!?!?!?!


No, sorry. Where I'm from and how I was brought up, if you have a concern or issue with a person you bring it to their front door. Anything else is a bama ass move.


That's like me saying I don't like so-and-so, and tell this to everybody EXCEPT so-and-so.


Instead of acting like a fu_king chump and telling people through Twitter about your unhappiness with Doughty in there, why not bring it to Haselett? All the bravado will get him no where with his teammates. All his gum-bumping about checking the opposing team's WR doesn't impress me.

This is a guy who was owned for years when he was in ATL and had to play Steve Smith twice a year. For all the positive things he does, he ain't a top CB in the league. Sounds like Hall is writing them checks his ass won't be able to cash, once again.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 20, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

What are you talking about? The second Heyer came in our production dropped off considerably, if Heyer didn't suck so bad, he wouldn't have had to hold and it would be a different story. Same goes for Horton, Davis, Doughty (although come on #80 was catching that ball no matter who on our roster covered him), even Gano all didn't come through in clutch situations. It is the anatomy of a blown game. Bottom line, multiple blown chances, but Heyer should be scooping ice cream at Coldstone not playing ANY position in the NFL.

Posted by: JLaCanfora | September 20, 2010 12:50 PM |

How appropriate that LaCanOfSoda makes an ice cream reference. Dude needs to mix in a fiber bar or a shake weight now and then. If he were to introduce himself to me as a sports reporter, I'd ask which sport, competitive eating?

What a fat doosh.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | September 20, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I actually started laughing when Larry Johnson tried to reverse his run ala Marcus Allen. Laughing went to weeping when I witnessed Portis TRYING to bounce it to the outside. I thought I was watching that Snickers commercial with Betty White.

Posted by: ga8085 | September 20, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jcnjcnj | September 20, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Then you think our Oline has taken a step back since last year.

Let's get Stump Mitchell back here. Reinsert Heyer into the starting lineup, cut Jamaal Brown, bench TW and figure out what lake Levi Jones is fishing at right now...

Posted by: p1funk | September 20, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

"Thank god. If our dependence on Trent Williams wasn't evident before his injury, it certainly was after we saw Heyer replace him.


While there's no question that the talent level drops off when TW sits down, it was Heyer's blocking that got CP into the end zone for the last TD.

Posted by: Shadowskin | September 20, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

10 out of 10 times Doughty loses that matchup with AJ. We all know that. We knew that going into the game.

The problem is the defensove scheme that puts Doughty in that matchup.

Hall isn't calling out Reed so much as he's calling out Haslett and Co., IMO. And frankly I think he's right.

Your safeties are a libailty in coverage. Put your best cover corner on their best WR and let it play out.

Posted by: p1funk | September 20, 2010 12:41 PM
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agreed Doughty should never be on a guy of AJ80's caliber..at least not one-on-one..

Posted by: jcnjcnj | September 20, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

@the Fake JLaC - Davis had a bad STs game, but not a bad offensive game.

On the FG Block, it was an overload to his side, and they fooled him....Pollard is a pro @ blocking FGs....not his 1st time doing it....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 20, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Jacobs wants out of NY. Would he be a fit here? Just wondering after our stellar showing of our run-game. He's breakable at his size but he's still relative effective in a way that Sellers is not.

Sellers, by the way, has had an opening 2 games to forget.

Any thoughts?

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | September 20, 2010 12:49 PM

No thanks. He doesn't look like the bruiser he used to be. Thinks he can go east-west when he can't/shouldn't.

Posted by: skinswest | September 20, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

no thanks on Jacobs, he's looked done since last year....he'd be a bigger slower version of LJ....time to get KWilliams some carries..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 20, 2010 12:54 PM |

Sounds good. I agree. He looks like an older LaGarett Blunt lately, with less talent.

Maybe put Fat Albert at FB. Tell him to go blow someone up in goal-line and short yardage packages.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | September 20, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

To all the Reed Doughty excuse-makers.

That's his coverage.

That's his ball.

That's his man.

That's his play.

This is the second week in a row his inability to defend his coverage/man/ball/play has resulted in a late-game passing TD to put the team on the ropes.

Posted by: p1funk | September 20, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse


F That noise. There is no way that on a 4th and 10 play that is pretty much the entire game that you have your worst coverage dback on single coverage against the best reciever in the game. The scheme was off on that play. I have loved Hasletts D so far but that was a mistake. You need to be accountable for a guy like AJ in a situation like that and we didnt account for him.

Posted by: Stu27 | September 20, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Jacobs wants out of NY. Would he be a fit here? Just wondering after our stellar showing of our run-game. He's breakable at his size but he's still relative effective in a way that Sellers is not.

Sellers, by the way, has had an opening 2 games to forget.

Any thoughts?

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended

Sellers is a fullback, so I don't know how good a pass or run blocker BJacobs is.
And I can't see how he would be a fit for us since we already have 2 slow backs who fall down after the first hit. We need a speed runner not a plodder.

Posted by: Predator48 | September 20, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | September 20, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse


Red, how do you know DHall didn't go ape-nuts on the guys last night?

How do you know DHall didn't call people out to their face?

He didn't say this on Twitter. This is apparently being reported as something he's going around screaming at everyone.

Posted by: p1funk | September 20, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

More from D. Hall (courtesy of the Twitter): "From here on out, I’m going to wherever the f***ing ball is going. Wherever the receiver is going, that’s where the f*** I’m going."

Posted by: 4-12 | September 20, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

This is purely directed at Doughty, and its a holdover from last week. DHall released Austin to middle zone(as the call directed) in the back of the endzone on the pokes lone TD. Doughty bit hard on play action and was late getting back to his proper spot allowing Miles to catch the ball in the back of the endzone. DHall was clearly not pleased at the time.

esterday he said "we had the perfect play call... and we gotta make the play".

DHall is right, and we all have said so. Doughty generally gets cooked by guys who can run and jump. You know, NFL receivers. BUT... we're fans and slackers who waste our time posting here all day. He is a professional and a team mate. He should keep these type outbursts to himself. I guess he is still learning the leadership rules. He should get some pointers from Fletcher.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 20, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Johnson wasn't single covered. He was double covered with Buchanon playing underneath and Doughty playing over the top. It was designed to stop the first down (which it did). Johnson was properly covered. Doughty needs to make that play. When you can't stop a simple 50 yard jump ball, you have problems.

Posted by: psps23 | September 20, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | September 20, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse


F That noise. There is no way that on a 4th and 10 play that is pretty much the entire game that you have your worst coverage dback on single coverage against the best reciever in the game. The scheme was off on that play. I have loved Hasletts D so far but that was a mistake. You need to be accountable for a guy like AJ in a situation like that and we didnt account for him.

Posted by: Stu27 | September 20, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse


That's why I said several posts earlier that I AGREE with DHall. You put your best cover-corner on their best WR and play the thing out.

My statements are directed toward the folks who think that just b/c AJ80 is going for a jumpball, no one on the face of the planet can defend it, so we shouldn't really be upset with Reed Doughty.

I guess next time we play the Texans, they should just throw jumpballs to AJ80 all game and our DBs should just relax on the grass b/c it is apparently not possible in this universe to ask a DB to break up a pass to him.

Posted by: p1funk | September 20, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 20, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

What a fat doosh.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | September 20, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Nobody cares what you think racist prick

Posted by: ga8085 | September 20, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Any thoughts?

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | September 20, 2010 12:49 PM

Hmmm. We trade out our broken-down running back for their broken-down running back.

I think I'll pass...

Posted by: p1funk | September 20, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | September 20, 2010 12:55 PM
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no i don't think the line has taking a step backwards..i also dont see them stepping forward...it too early like i said from the start...TW will be great and he has held his own and i also think JBrown will be very good...but as a unit at this point they have not fared mush better than last years unit...is it the scheme? is it the talent? i don't know..but what i do know is the running will suffer until the oline blocks better..

-no need to rescurrect the oline from last year...bring back Buges to coach what we all think are better players...it has to be the coach..in oreder to get the same results with a better line...what esle can it be...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | September 20, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

What’s the deal with Devin Thomas, 2 games & no time at WR. This guy is 6-2, 225lbs with very good speed and he can’t get on the field. Here are some WR’s that were picked in the second round and beyond who are contributing to their teams. Dez Bryant was a 1st rounder but he missed all of the preseason, if the skins aren’t going to play DT, trade him for a WR who they will play.

2008 WR Draft 2nd round and beyond

Donnie Avery- Rams
Jordy Nelson- Packers
Eddie Royal-Broncos
Desean Jackson- Eagles
Limas Sweed- Steelers
Dexter Jackson- Bucs
Mario Manningham- Giants
Pierre Garcon- Colts


2009 WR draft 2nd round and beyond

Brian Robiske- Browns
Mike Wallace- Steelers
Ramses Barden- Giants
Deon Butler- Seahawks
Louis Murphy- Raiders
Austin Collie- Colts
Johnny Knox-Bears


2010 WR Draft 2nd Round and beyond

*Demaryius Thomas- Broncos 1st
*Dez Bryant- Cowboys-1st
Golden Tate-Seahawks
Jordon Shipley-Bengals-
Antonio Brown-Steelers

Posted by: kingpenn1 | September 20, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

New soupster is old and sucky
zorn-ahan is the off season champion


Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 20, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Somebody shut this broken record up, and try and teach pabrainiac how to spell for crying out loud!

Posted by: monk811 | September 20, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Not too many mistakes made in pro football, meaning that it is no mistake on almost every crucial play in both games, Reed Daughty was involved. That is by design, not a mistake. and yes at times the QB, like the 4rth and ten might have to find that out as the play unfolds but be clear, it is mostly by design to seek him out and work on the least effective cover guy we have. P. Buchanon made one good play but was also soft as butter on most. We are not championship material with our DB's cover skills as a unit. But I love em anyway....go beat the rams, go 2-1 and thats good enough this week.

Posted by: klangley69 | September 20, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

The season isn't over already...good news

Posted by: withoutanet | September 20, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

psps23

"(D Hall) He's played excellent thus far, but he's not Nnamdi/Revis/Champ. And he certainly doesn't warrant modifying the entire defensive scheme to fit his desires."


I dunno.

If you've ever played defensive back on any level of football, you know a little of bit of arrogance--and a short memory--is highly necessary.

And be honest: you know like I do that what Hall is intimating is that if he had played A Johnson man on man to close the game, he would've deflected the scoring pass that took the game ito overtime.

And I want my starting cornerback to feel--and say--that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 20, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

One important mistake: Arian Foster spent last year on the Titan's practice squad, not the Texans. If he was on the Texans, he would have had a shot last year with their RB situation.

The Titans had a guy by the name of Chris Johnson, maybe you heard of him.

Posted by: withoutanet | September 20, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

GREAT news about Trent Williams - his health is much more important to the long-term growth of this franchise than whether we won or lost yesterday.

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | September 20, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Davis whiffed on his man on FG block...huge mistake. Wing guy HAS to chip the outside rusher.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 20, 2010 11:18 AM
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there were two guys rushing on his side he has to take the inside guy as he has a more direct route to the ball...he tried to get a hand on the dud but he missed..however his technique was right...you block from the inside out
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Actually both guys are his responsibility. He's supposed to chip the outside guy and block the inside guy. The guys on the ends have to make up for the 2 player shortage in blocking b/c of the holder and kicker (11 rushers, 9 blockers).

Posted by: withoutanet | September 20, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Great news. Glad Trent is OK.

Posted by: 20yrskinfan | September 20, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Great news!

But, what's a walking boot got to do with a sprained knee?

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | September 20, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Responding to pfunk1. This is the first time I have ever written on a blog, but I must when I see such a moronic statement as find a replacement for Portis. Not only is he the best blocking back I have ever seen in my years of playing for 16 years and coaching for 8, he may be the best the league has seen in 20.

It is very hard to run the ball when you have 3 people on you when you take the handoff. LJ is washed up and couldn't block his 1 year old son.

I would suggest before bashing your own team and players you watch the game. Or watch film. This is our best hope for pass protection and he typically blows people up each week. What about the block that sprung Fred Davis.

Don't be so quick to judge when a back is playing behind an offensive line filled with what amounts to lineman that are decent but would be 2nd or third stringers on most teams.

Posted by: esjohnson1 | September 20, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Nobody in Houston questioned what was wrong with Shaub last week when he passed for like 120 yards or something. That's because the running game was killing Indy. Likewise, McNabb changed runs to pass plays numerous times yesterday because the Texans really couldn't stop our aerial attack. I agree that the running game has issues right now, but I predict it will come around. What killed us yesterday were the stupid things again--poor blocking by Fred Davis on the blocked field goal, the false start by Jammal Brown and Fred Davis on 3rd and two in the red zone, which made them have to settle for that field goal that never was, and LJs backward run of -10 yards. Most glaringly, though, was our weakness at free safety. Poor Doughty!! There's no question he's a smart player and knows what he's supposed to do and where he's supposed to be, he just can't make it happen. He's physically over-matched and always a step or two late.

Certain matchups on our schedule will require us to have a better running game, no doubt. Let's keep our perspective. One step forward at a time. The passing game seemed to come together and we started scoring TDs in the red zone instead of settling for FGs. HTTR!!!

Posted by: flyboygraphics | September 20, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

p1funk

Its game two. Portis has not played great but he has not played bad enough to be benched for a 4th stringer. Give them time to gel. New scheme, new line, new OC, new coaches.

Posted by: ged0386 | September 20, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Only people smarter that NFL coaches about football are bloggers. They know everything on monday.

Posted by: ged0386 | September 20, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

IF WLLIAMS CAN'T GO THIS SHOULD BE THE STARTING OFFENSIVE LINE.

LT- BROWN
LG- DOCKERY
C- RABACH
RG- LICHTENSTEIGER
RT- HICKS

WHATEVER YOU DO DO NOT PUT HEYER IN THE GAME. HE IS A ALEX BARRON CLONE AND WE CANNOT AFFORD TO LOSE MCNABB WITH HEYERS VERSION OF A BULLFIGHTER'S OHLAH INTO THE BACKFIELD.

Posted by: sknsfn1027 | September 20, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

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