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Trent Williams practices, Rocky McIntosh still out

Rookie left tackle Trent Williams (knee) returned to practice Thursday, but inside linebacker Rocky McIntosh (mild concussion) sat out for the second straight day and hopes to be cleared to return to work Friday, Coach Mike Shanahan said Thursday.

"Rocky, he's going to talk to the doctor tomorrow," Shanahan said. "We'll see if he gets cleared."

As for Williams, he "took all the reps, so that's a good sign," Shanahan said. "We wouldn't have him take the reps unless we thought he was going to play."

By Jason Reid  | October 14, 2010; 3:56 PM ET
Categories:  Linebackers, Trent Williams  
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Banks td, Simpson td, small td, torain td, Moore 3 tds

roydell Williams td

56-0 redskins

rest of league forfeits rest of season, Lombardi trophy awarded to Dan snyder. Landry signs extension mcnabb signs extension Vincent Jackson and merriman sign with skins. Slaton traded for bidwell's rights.

Strike cancelled, draft abandoned all rookies are free agents

Snyder builds 2 indoor practice facilities

the bad news, lichtensteiger lost to free gent bidding war

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 14, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

So a lot of what-ifs from the 2008 draft and the second rounders. Thought I'd look up to see hot the team did with second rounders in the 1980s, post 1981 & 1982 drafts where pretty much every pick was a winner (and won at least one SB).

1983 - Richard Williams (DG was 1st rd, Mann in the 3rd so not too terrible)
1984 - Steve Hamilton
1985 - Tory Nixon (a CB, but we did get Barry Wilburn in the 8th who stuck)
1986 - We had two: Marcus Koch who stuck through SBs XXII & XXVI and Walter Murray
1987 - Wally Kleine

I believe we had no 2nd round picks from 1988 through 1990 but I might be wrong.

So Marcus Koch was the only memorable one. DG was pretty much our ONLY 1st rounder. But the 1981 & 1982 draft classes were two of the greatest ever.

Of course, poor drafts mean a lot less when you have a team winning consistently off of the backs of prior successful draft classes.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | October 14, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know if the Redskins have an indoor practice facility? Reid should try to mention whether or not the Skins have an indoor practice facility or not, because the fans don't know this information.

An indoor practice facility may be used, for example, when it's raining.

If they have an indoor practice facility they should use it when it's raining.

Sincerely, portis' burst

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 14, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Barno1 the cyber-bully is a big sissy.

Posted by: ralph_melish | October 14, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Indoor practice facility is so bogus. Did the Green Bay Packers have an indoor practice facility when Vince Lombardi's teams won the Lombardi trophy? I don't think so.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 14, 2010 3:59 PM |

They didn't have heaters on the sideline, they didn't make you miss a game if you had a concussion, you could clothesline a runner, the Packers didn't have a indoor practice facility, etc. A lot of things about football have changed since then pops.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 14, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

So yesterday I got an email from Dan Steinberg informing me that Barno1 emailed both him and the Post in an attempt to get Poopy_McPoop banned from the site. Turns out the cyber-bully Barno1, when confronted on his bullying tactics turns and runs to mommy and daddy crying.

Well, thanks to some state databases I was able to learn something about Barno1. This is very serious and very disturbing new information that I just learnedabout Barno1. However, I do not know how Barno1 was forced to register on this database because he was simply streaking or did something more serious, but:

BARNO1 IS A REGISTERED OFFENDER

Posted by: ralph_melish | October 14, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

What are Devin Thomas's thoughts about this indoor practice facility idea?

Posted by: themantoyou | October 14, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Fing Fantastic crop of RBs this year, no Steve Slayton's but settling for a Noel Devine annt bad, if not.

Mark Ingram
Jordan todman
John Clay
LaMicahel James
Rogers bros
+ bunches more. I will be very shocked if Shanallahans dont take a RB in the first half of the draft.


Posted by: Stu27 | October 14, 2010 3:40 PM

DeMarco Murray from Oklahoma?

Posted by: skinswest | October 14, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

What are Devin Thomas's thoughts about this indoor practice facility idea?

Posted by: themantoyou | October 14, 2010 4:49 PM |

He couldn't be reached for comment as he was busy filming a music video.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 14, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

He couldn't be reached for comment as he was busy filming a music video.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 14, 2010 4:58 PM

He was filming it in an indoor practice facility, so that ought to tell you all you need to know.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 14, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I will be very shocked if Shanallahans dont take a RB in the first half of the draft.


Posted by: Stu27 | October 14, 2010 3:40 PM

1st half of the Draft? So you mean we are going to use our 1st or 2nd on a RB?

No chance.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 14, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Indoor practice facility is so bogus. Did the Green Bay Packers have an indoor practice facility when Vince Lombardi's teams won the Lombardi trophy? I don't think so.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 14, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I doubt ANY team did.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | October 14, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse


Someone is bitter by not getting a contract extension...

Posted by: oh_boy1

No, someone, unlike DeAngelo Hall, realizes the staff, not the inmates run this particular asylum. And that's a good thing.

Posted by: TheCork | October 14, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

1st half of the Draft? So you mean we are going to use our 1st or 2nd on a RB?

No chance.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 14, 2010 5:10 PM

Agreed.

Shanny is famous for finding late round and undrafted wonders in his plug-and-play running schemes. Hopefully our draft pick will be in the 20's, so I'm thinking CB, DE/NT, FS, C/G, LB or big WR. Something like that.

But the season is still young...

Posted by: edvar | October 14, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

edvar- We will picking 32nd overall. We have a 1st, 2nd and our next pick isn't until the 5th RD.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 14, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Did the Green Bay Packers have an indoor practice facility when Vince Lombardi's teams won the Lombardi trophy?

Posted by: beep-beep | October 14, 2010 3:59 PM

Wait, they named a guy after the trophy?

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

It's hard for me to fathom how Jim Zorn could draw up some schemes that make Fred Davis look like a Pro-Bowler while Kyle Shanahan has him blocking on FGs.

And this is nothing like DT11; who apart from one single game where he went over 100 yards receiving, NEVER showed that he was anything more than just another WR.

Posted by: p1funk |

First thjings first. These weren't new schemes, these were hand-me-down pattersn Cooley thrived in.

I admit I was a little surprised at the lack of use he's gotten this year.

zPart of it may be a reluctance to go four wide and expose McNabb to blitzes, or take Moss, Cooley, or Armstrong out of the mix.

But mostly, I've come to realize all other things being equal, character counts with Coach Mike.

Keep in mind Davis is the guy who overslept practice, and didn't really focus and concentrate on his job until Cooley went down and he was more or less forced to be a starter.

Sure he produced then, as primary target, running Cooley's old patterns, with Moss ineffective, and nobody else as a receiving threat.

Anthony Armstrong is poster child for Shanahan's favorite players. He wants guys who love the game, overachievers, gym rats. Not gifted athletes who don't appreciate their gifts, or the game of football itself.

Coaches are filled with ticks and prejudices and unexplainable behavior. But when it works, it works.

What I don't like is they haven't figured a way to get fair value out of these disappointments when they leave. They are ending up as truly wasted draft picks.

Forgive the political reference, but it fits. Those who blame Shanahan/Allen instead of Snyder/Cerrato for the woes of past players, probably blame Obama for the two wars and the recession Bush caused.

Posted by: TheCork | October 14, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

"Tory Nixon"

Wow, I feel old.

That guy sucked bad. At least I thought so.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | October 14, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

The story of drunk Riggins is legend ... his post-performance enhancing substance.

I heard a radio interview with Sonny Jurgenson where he talked about how he'd come off the field and smoke a cigarette.

Then Jurgenson told this story about how, back in the day, young Riggins was getting yelled at by this elderly gentleman named beep beep.

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

edvar- We will picking 32nd overall.

++++++++

From your mouth to the ears of god...

Personally, I'm hoping there's a Randy Thomas-type Guard waiting for us when we pick. Someone who is fast, athletic, and BIG!

Shanny does not prefer small linemen, he values a level of athleticism that is uncommon in really big guys. I always thought a young, healthy Thomas would have been a great fit in his system.

Once again though, we have many holes and not many high picks.

Posted by: edvar | October 14, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Mobtown Gazette:

"More Bodies Found; Ray Lewis Remains At Large"

why you wanna pick on me, Ray-Rayd?? Lil' ol' creaky ol' man me?? You Mobtown Mob-lickin'.. Guess I'll have to move to Iceland in the FFFFederoni Witless Bro-tection Program..Have a "Pro Gram" , Pro...

Posted by: frak | October 14, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

But mostly, I've come to realize all other things being equal, character counts with Coach Mike.

Keep in mind Davis is the guy who overslept practice, and didn't really focus and concentrate on his job until Cooley went down and he was more or less forced to be a starter.

Posted by: TheCork

Really Cork? That was 2 years ago. Move on. Davis is a player. He scored 6TDs last year without playing a full season.

Give me break with the character stuff too. I mean CC47 is the dude who posted a picture of his junk, excuse me, his playbook online.

Or what about wasting a pick on Clarett or the multiple domestic cases by B Marshall under Shanny.

The only think that counts with Shanny and most coaches is winning....

Posted by: dcwun | October 14, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Sure Fred overslept. And it was two years ago.

You cats going to tell me there isn't a man on here that didn't oversleep (see: hangover) and either arrive late or not at all to his job?

ESPECIALLY a job you had in your early 20's?

Come now. Be honest.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 14, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Keep in mind who you are talking too dcwun and you'll understand the lack of "getting it."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 14, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse


Sure Fred overslept. And it was two years ago.

You cats going to tell me there isn't a man on here that didn't oversleep (see: hangover) and either arrive late or not at all to his job?

ESPECIALLY a job you had in your early 20's?

Come now. Be honest.

is this an excuse for those actions ?

Posted by: hessone | October 14, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse


Sure Fred overslept. And it was two years ago.

You cats going to tell me there isn't a man on here that didn't oversleep (see: hangover) and either arrive late or not at all to his job?

ESPECIALLY a job you had in your early 20's?

Come now. Be honest.

is this an excuse for those actions ?

Posted by: hessone | October 14, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Just out of curiosity, who plays if McIntosh is out? Is it Blades or Riley?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 14, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse


BARNO1 IS A REGISTERED OFFENDER

he is not, he's a registered circus clown dude

Posted by: hessone | October 14, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

How nice would it be to have a healthy Robert Henson backing up Rocky right about now?

I hope he gets healthy before the season is done. I'd like to see him run a few snaps with the big boys.

Posted by: elfreako | October 14, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

no it's an excuse to be a judgemental holier than thou HATER

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 14, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

They should have cut Riggins to make an example!

Then they could've been Shan-a-Cools and blog comment heroes!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 14, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

So yeah moving along, it's a bummer not having many draft picks next year, but that should hopefully change before the draft.

Not sure how but the new FO has been creative with trades thus far.

Posted by: skinswillwin | October 14, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

..And a beautiful , graffiti-covered room it is, Tony..And I'm sure the Feds love to wartch yuo in your chiffon Versailles palatial, too...

Posted by: frak | October 14, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

... probably blame Obama for the two wars and the recession Bush caused.

Posted by: TheCork | October 14, 2010 5:31 PM |

Hear, hear. The dude bogged the country down in an unnecessary war with a fake bill of particulars and let bankers hump CDOs and credit swaps like they was at a frat party.

Posted by: BiggerVance | October 14, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Once again though, we have many holes and not many high picks.

Posted by: edvar | October 14, 2010 5:42 PM |

Just like when they bring the entertainment around to peep-peep's old dude home - they have many holes and not many high pricks.

Posted by: BiggerVance | October 14, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

The only think that counts with Shanny and most coaches is winning....

Posted by: dcwun |

Uh huh. And guys with character tend to win more than those lacking in same.

Posted by: TheCork | October 14, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

And guys with character tend to win more than those lacking in same.

Posted by: TheCork | October 14, 2010 7:05 PM

Can you cite your source for that? "I pulled it out my ass because it sounded good at the time."

Posted by: beep-beep | October 14, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Uh huh. And guys with character tend to win more than those lacking in same.

Posted by: TheCork | October 14, 2010 7:05 PM |

Can you cite your source for that? "I pulled it out my ass because it sounded good at the time."

Posted by: beep-beep | October 14, 2010 7:08 PM |

I can do better than cite a source. I can provide Exhibit A: Bret Favre. Dude has won a SB and practically owns all the passing stats. What could be more winning than that?

Posted by: BiggerVance | October 14, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Fred Davis is not producing as much as expected

Guess the dude didn't want to drink the Cooley-Aid.

Posted by: BiggerVance | October 14, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

I can do better than cite a source. I can provide Exhibit A: Bret Favre. Dude has won a SB and practically owns all the passing stats. What could be more winning than that?

Posted by: BiggerVance | October 14, 2010 7:15 PM |

Thnat's your exhibit for a guy with character? A guy that had a drug problem and sends pictures of his less than average junk to fellow employees? No wonder you're a liberal, you don't have a clue what character is.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 14, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheCork | October 14, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Shanny's not as high on character as people give him credit for.

Brandon Marshall was a punk. Jay Cutler was a big doosh. Muarice Clarett was a disaster in college and Shanny blew a 3rd round pick on him. If Shanny was so high on character, then AH would have been cut from this team a looooong time ago.

Shanny will find reasons to send non-contributing guys packing.

If Shanny does not want to find some plays/patterns for Fred Davis simply b/c he overslpet for a meeting when different coaches were here, that doesn't make him a guy who cares about character, it makes him a friggin moron.

I realize that when Fred Davis was blowing up last year there was no Cooley in the picture. Granted. My point is that Fred showed up for 10 games and proved he can play in this league. If Chris Cooley is also on the field all that does is create matchup problems for the opponent.

If Kyle Shanahan is such the innovative play-calling/play-designing genius that he's tabbed to be, I don't understand why he can't figure out how to work both guys into the game plan.

My guess is that they are still not all that confident in their pass-pro or in DMac's command of the offense, so they are favoring selections of the playbook that keep a TE in to block for now.

I guess we'll see.


And not to get too political here, but people who blame Cerrato for Shanny's failure to get Fred Davis into the mix this year are the same kind of people who continue to blame Bush for all the failed promises and failure to change things under Obama's watch.

Posted by: p1funk | October 14, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Very nice p1.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 14, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

And not to get too political here, but people who blame Cerrato for Shanny's failure to get Fred Davis into the mix this year are the same kind of people who continue to blame Bush for all the failed promises and failure to change things under Obama's watch.

Posted by: p1funk | October 14, 2010 7:35 PM

Nothing political, at all, in that.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 14, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 14, 2010 7:32 PM |

Sorry dude. Should have used the old *sarcasm on* and *sarcasm off* buttons.

Posted by: BiggerVance | October 14, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 14, 2010 7:32 PM |

Sorry dude. Should have used the old *sarcasm on* and *sarcasm off* buttons.

Posted by: BiggerVance | October 14, 2010 7:41 PM |

All right. My bad for the unneccessary insult.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 14, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

What!??? how in the hell exactly do you get out of shape in six days time???

I could understand missing practice reps hurting you as far as a scheme goes, but football shape?

Posted by: skins91r

I heard AH was rousted by the cops two different nights for sleeping in his car outside an all night Dunkin Donuts.

Posted by: NYPDee | October 14, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Memo to the DT fan club:

What if it's as simple as the guy can't play. He had 10 starts (25 catches) last year and has had all of OTAs, practice, etc to rise above 5th string and he hasn't. They'll try to trade him and if they can't, they will probably cut him. It doesn't mean that beantowngreg has to take his poster off his wall or that it makes him less dreamy.

You know...

Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.

That dog won't fish.

Dumb as a box of dull hammers.

Take up a new cause...Like BB16 in for DT on Kickoffs, LO in permanently for AC99, a new punter, or even the AH92 needs more playing time argument.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 4, 2010 1:54 PM

TWISI- Since you said I was gloating...He was cut 5 days after I posted this..

SO many people post up here and make predictions, talk personnel and speak in absolutes and NEVER stick with anything they say and have ZERO cred.

RedDMV had the Eagles winning 34-6 and BeantownGina was hoping for a moral victory, MistaMoe had the Skins getting blown out by the Pack (he was a man about it afterwards).

How about the Tony Pike fan club, how about when we signed AH, those that said Landry should be cut, etc freaking etc..

I like you TWISI and have always defended, recommended, responded, & appreciated your contributions but when I gloat it's because my football IQ was questioned by a bunch of football illiterates even though what I said eventually comes to fruition.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 14, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Riddle me this: how is it that the Skins have the worst defense based on yards yielded per game and the Giants have the best yet the Skins are ahead of the Giants defensively in terms of points yielded per game, which is probably a better measuring stick.

Posted by: BiggerVance | October 14, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

What!??? how in the hell exactly do you get out of shape in six days time???

I could understand missing practice reps hurting you as far as a scheme goes, but football shape?

Posted by: skins91r

I heard AH was rousted by the cops two different nights for sleeping in his car outside an all night Dunkin Donuts.

Posted by: NYPDee | October 14, 2010 7:49 PM |

I think it is more a frame of mind "shape" than it is anything else. Don't know how much he is thinking about football right now.

Posted by: BiggerVance | October 14, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44 you're good with me. To me Devin has gone the way of others who have been let go by MS. I appreciated their effort, but now it's time to cheer the next man up. Here's hoping to continued maturation of AA.

Posted by: TWISI | October 14, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Riddle me this: how is it that the Skins have the worst defense based on yards yielded per game and the Giants have the best yet the Skins are ahead of the Giants defensively in terms of points yielded per game, which is probably a better measuring stick.

Posted by: BiggerVance | October 14, 2010 7:59 PM |

I think it's pretty simple why we give up so many yards and not points. Our teams zone scheme gets murdered in the middle of the field when there is a lot of wide open space. When the space gets much more compressed it's our turn to do the murdering. Usually it's offenses that seem to wear defenses down. With us it seems the other way around. Our guys hit like trucks and play physical so by the end of the game those offenses aren't looking so hot.

Conversly, the Giants D seems to do much better when plays that take time to develop are used, ie pass plays. That front 4 gets after qb's dropping back and rb's up the middle. When people start to do the quick hit thing against them well thats when their secondary and LB's are required and they just aren't as good.

That's my opinion.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 14, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

SO many people post up here and make predictions, talk personnel and speak in absolutes and NEVER stick with anything they say and have ZERO cred.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 14, 2010 7:55 PM |

True dat. Crow should be one of the most popular items on the RI Cafe menu.

Posted by: BiggerVance | October 14, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 14, 2010 8:10 PM |

Good post.

Posted by: BiggerVance | October 14, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

SO many people post up here and make predictions, talk personnel and speak in absolutes and NEVER stick with anything they say and have ZERO cred.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 14, 2010 7:55 PM |

True dat. Crow should be one of the most popular items on the RI Cafe menu.

Posted by: BiggerVance | October 14, 2010 8:12 PM

There are certainly a lot of people that should be eating it. I know I've had my share.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 14, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

I think it is more a frame of mind "shape" than it is anything else. Don't know how much he is thinking about football right now.

Posted by: BiggerVance

I do feel for the guy, losing his bro. Don't know how close they were, but it does suck regardless. My friends and I used to race motorcycles on the beltway when we were twenty. Everybody thinks they're invincible at that age.

Posted by: NYPDee | October 14, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 14, 2010 8:10 PM

SO true. The middle of the field is where we are being bludgeoned. The worst thing about that is the opposing teams are targeting #59 in coverage. He's a warrior but he's being abused in coverage.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 14, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

"Where we really missed out on the 2008 draft class was the RB position:

- Felix Jones (1st)
- Rashard Mendenhall (1st)
- Chris Johnson (1st)
- Matt Forte (2nd)
- Ray Rice (2nd)
- Kevin Smith (3rd)
- Jamaal Charles (3rd)
- Steve Slaton (3rd)
- Tashard Choice (4th)


That's a heck of a list.

And what irritates is that the 'boys really don't feature Choice/Jones in a way that's worthwhile, seeing how JGarrett doesn't get that what he has is a team that should be running the ball more.

We didn't snag a back in '08 as we though CP would be CP, and Betts/Cartwright suitiable back ups.

Since then, though, CP has missed a ton o' games and Betts shown the door along with Rock.

We do need to find a solid back this time around.

That is, after we find two guards and a starting center.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 14, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 14, 2010 8:10 PM |

Good post.

Posted by: BiggerVance | October 14, 2010 8:14 PM |

Thanks

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 14, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

twisi


"I appreciated their effort, but now it's time to cheer the next man up. Here's hoping to continued maturation of AA."


That's why you root for the team, not the players.

And if there's a strike, you root against the management and labor.

And if there's arbitration to end the strike, you root for the lawyers.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 14, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

twisi


"I appreciated their effort, but now it's time to cheer the next man up. Here's hoping to continued maturation of AA."

That's why you root for the team, not the players.

And if there's a strike, you root against the management and labor.

And if there's arbitration to end the strike, you root for the lawyers.


Posted by: MistaMoe | October 14, 2010 8:26 PM |

Indeed

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 14, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

And if there's arbitration to end the strike, you root for the lawyers.
Posted by: MistaMoe

Root for lawyers? Now you have seriously gone too far.

Posted by: NYPDee | October 14, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

John Keim
WarpathInsiders.com May 3, 2008

John Keim reports on his observations from the Redskins' second day of mini camp under Jim Zorn.

...Jim Zorn broke out the dodge ball game, using large Pilates balls to throw at his quarterbacks. One would stand in the middle with a football as if in the pocket. The other quarterbacks, and Zorn, would stand in a circle and alternate throwing a ball at him.

Zorn's first toss of the ball hit Jason Campbell.

"The idea is to get out of the way," he said to Campbell.

The best one in the group? Campbell. When the balls flew at him, he dodged them well and kept his eyes and head up. Others weren't as good; Sam Hollenbach ducked almost every time. Todd Collins was OK.

...Receiver Billy McMullen has looked pretty good at times; does a nice job driving off defenders.

...Gotta love Joe Bugel. At one point he yelled at rookie Devin Clark to, "Get your ass of the ground and run!"

...Corner Eddie Jackson had a nice pick of a Collins floater in zone coverage.

... Kedric Golston was carted off the field and has an ankle sprain. He won't practice tomorrow and there's no word yet when he'll return. The OTAs start Monday.

...Steve Largent, Zorn's best friend, attended practice this afternoon. At one point, Zorn told the receivers, "See that guy over there in the green shirt and khaki shorts? He's in the Hall of Fame." He said the wideouts couldn't believe it.

...Receiver Devin Thomas missed practice for personal reasons.

...Lorenzo Alexander has worked exclusively with the defense thus far.

...Rookie Malcolm Kelly made a leaping catch near the sideline, prompting Zorn to yell out, "Nice job!" and walk over for a hand slap. Santana Moss yelled out to Kelly, "Thataway MK!"

...Rock Cartwright did not like hearing Justin Tryon's comments after the draft that he guarantees he could get the ball to the 50 every time on a kick return. Danny Smith laughed at it, telling reporters every team hopes he's back there. In other words, pipe down, rook.

...Tryon is shorter than 5-foot-9, perhaps by an inch. Yours truly is a shade over 5-foot-9 - we'd like to think 5-10 - but Tryon does not see eye to eye with us.

...Zorn is very big on tempo, constantly yelling out to "get it going" to the offense.

...Rookie Rob Jackson has a little burst off the edge. You'll see it when he goes against young linemen, but vets won't have a problem with him early on because he does not seem all that strong or diverse in his moves. That's why he was a low-round pick.

...LaRon Landry would have decked Santana Moss on one pass, but had to pull up. He let Moss know what would have happened.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 14, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Root for lawyers? Now you have seriously gone too far.


lawyer 1: Man.

People hate us.

lawyer 2: Yeah, I know.

It could be worse.

lawyer 1: How?

lawyer 2: We could be child molesters.

Or congressmen.

lawyer 1: I get your point.

I'd hate to be politician.

(they both pause awkwardly at the sound of a siren)

At least we're not like those guys who avoid their families and work just to blog all day and nite in RI.

lawyer 2: Yeah.

Now those guys...they suck.

But at least they're redskins fans.

We don't even have that on our side.

C'mon, we got an ambulance to go chase.


Posted by: MistaMoe | October 14, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

SO many people post up here and make predictions, talk personnel and speak in absolutes and NEVER stick with anything they say and have ZERO cred.

Posted by: Diesel44

True enough ... though I called myself out in ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES this week. A week ago, I said I'd be surprised if we beat either GB or Indy.

Surprise :)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 14, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of snitches...

How about the time that Cooley bloged about FD being sleepy.

http://deadspin.com/386974/chris-cooley-blogs-fred-davis-sleeps

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 14, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

lawyer 2: We could be child molesters.

Or congressmen.

lawyer 1: I get your point.

I'd hate to be politician.

lawyer 2: Wait, aren't most liberal politicians also lawyers?

lawyer 1: yep, those guys REALLY suck.

there, fixed it for ya.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 14, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

AL, Zeke, etc..

That's ok I've picked us to win every week this year and I'm 3-2..

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 14, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Decided to check on some of my buddies who are dallas fans and blog at dallas web sites, typed dallas cowboys on my browser which promptly shut down.

Figures... F dallas!

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 14, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

http://www.fanfeedr.com/nfl/2010/10/15/deion-sanders-is-real-mad

Yeah like Neon was a top 10 NFL player of all time? Sounds like particallybrained2003...

Posted by: skinswillwin | October 14, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | October 14, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

shanahan has never pretended to be a character guy. he wants players who are focused on winning and committed to team. he will take a chance on a player with character concerns in a heartbeat.

fred davis is not on the field much for one simple reason. he can't block. it has nothing to do with something he did before shanahan got here. even shannon sharpe had to work on his blocking skills early in his career to see the field more. davis needs to do the same.

Posted by: zatoichi77 | October 14, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Seriously - does anyone know what happened to Poopy?

In terms of politics, I really gotta wonder how many of you are from DC because so many of you have a black and white view of the world. Here are the rules from someone who grew up in Meridian Hill before a few Male Hairdressers (in hindsight, thankfully) moved in, cleaned the area up and it became "trendy" Adams-Morgan.

1 - One side steals with the left hand, the other one steals with the right.

2 - Both sides mistakingly believe they have a monopoly on the moral high-ground when BOTH share the monopoly on hypocrisy: cases in point - Livingston leading the charge to impeach Clinton (indeed, how many screaming Hill Pols were outed by that great American - Larry Flynt). As much as I disliked the man, I appreciate that during his first BJ in decades, he was still taking phone calls and getting work done. As a registered Republican - I have to recognize that he did balance the budget, clamped down on predatory lending and mortgage lending (Bush actually un-did all of the lending protections with the FIRST bill he signed into law and decimated SEC oversight via policy). The oversight from the SEC prevented another Orange County from happening and made sure more banks did not fail IMMEDIATELY after the Kidder-Peabody fiasco. How did Clinton succeed? By working with the few sane, common sense leaders on BOTH sides to get stuff done...which really pissed the hard (insane) right and (more insane) left off. Maybe you've heard of (or even better understand) SOX. The.best.piece.of.law.making.ever.especially.for.those.of.us.that.invest.

3 - Both sides are worried about social issues moreso than actually running a country. I believe in State rights. If Montana wants to allow its populace to carry sub-machine guns so be it. If DC wants to ban them altogether, so be it. If Utah bans abortion, its none of my business. If Massachusetts wants gay marriage, its none of my business.

4 - W. Bush was the worst president of all time (ok, going back to at least Hoover) and I CONTRIBUTED TO HIS F*ING Campaign the first time through. My party has been hijacked by anti-abortion zealots who try to tell me that Sarah Palin is a leader? Only if I am a Christian Conservative (I'm not) but sure as hell not if I am a FISCAL conservative (which I am). So let the guy who is mixed race and seems pretty smart have a chance. It took Clinton a few years to get it right, but he did; even if I still don't like him. Oh, and I paid a hell of a lot less in taxes than I have in years. I suggest you check your tax bill versus prior years and see where you stand.

5 - Censorship sucks. Which brings me back to my original question. Where is Poopy?

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | October 14, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

HGR gets points on a late night rant.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 14, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

One side steals with the left hand, the other one steals with the right.

liberal whining lawyer: You guys have stolen from the poor!

Families are out on the streets!

The housing market is ruined!

chubby conservative Wall Street banker: Why you pointing a finger over here?

Without us, there'd be no booming home foreclosure industry.

Think of all the jobs that we, and not Obama, have created.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 14, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

uhh - that really was a rant. Back to the skins. I have my reservations about Shanahan, but think we need to let the season play out. I still think 7-9 is where the team will end up (certainly hope for better) which is a massive improvement considering the legacy of Cerrato's mismanagement. Healthy OTs is a big swing factor, but I actually believe that Heyer has improved a bit - meaning one holding and one false start per game is acceptable from his position considering the talent he is facing. Am concerned about the running game but McNabb has already proven to be a bigger upgrade over JC than I expected. Moe's point about RBs in the 2008 is especially troubling given our RB situation today. If the team continues to win, DT's stats in Carolina are meaningless. And I never understood the board's fascination with Leigh Torrence. Wow, I really am all over the map tonight.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | October 14, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Irrespective of what else happens this season, I love the look of DONOVAN McNABB in a burgundy and gold uni, and the fact that the COWBOYS were defeated. Not humbled or embarressed the way I would like by 50 - 6 or somesuch score, but beaten none-the-less.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 14, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

I know folks like blaming liberals and the president for the country's ills.

But the gang the jacked up the economy and how they did it is laid out in this rather interesting piece of reading:

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/14/how-wall-street-hid-its-mortgage-mess/?hp

Pointing fingers at invisible 'liberals' and 'conservatives' is what us crabs at the bottom of the barrel are doing while the fat cats up on top are laughing their 20 million dollar a year heads off.

We are not the enemy.

The Gucci loafer set is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 14, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: HughGRection | October 14, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Disaffected? Imagine working and contributing to DICK NIXON! But you're learning son. Keep up the good work. At least you give a flying f***, and you vote.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 14, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

uhh - that really was a rant. Back to the skins. I have my reservations about Shanahan, but think we need to let the season play out. I still think 7-9 is where the team will end up (certainly hope for better) which is a massive improvement considering the legacy of Cerrato's mismanagement. Healthy OTs is a big swing factor, but I actually believe that Heyer has improved a bit - meaning one holding and one false start per game is acceptable from his position considering the talent he is facing. Am concerned about the running game but McNabb has already proven to be a bigger upgrade over JC than I expected. Moe's point about RBs in the 2008 is especially troubling given our RB situation today. If the team continues to win, DT's stats in Carolina are meaningless. And I never understood the board's fascination with Leigh Torrence. Wow, I really am all over the map tonight.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | October 14, 2010 10:15 PM

You and I agree on much of this. I'm sticking with 8-8. Reservations on Shanahan here too but compared to what we've had he's a frickin' genius. As much as I hate Heyer this zone blocking scheme fits him MUCH better than the prior ones. He has played a lot better than we're used to seeing from him. Still only a backup though. McNabb over JC is a no brainer. I don't ever remember Shanny picking a RB high. That doesn't mean it hasn't happened but it certainly hasn't happened much. Yet his teams still put up numbers in the run game, plus and undrafted hall of famer.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 14, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I know, the president is a bad guy, blah, blah, blah.

When will folks get angry about this:

So far, not a soul on Wall Street has been found to be criminally liable for the practices that led to the financial crisis. But thanks, in part, to the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission, we are getting closer than ever to the day when the culprits will pay for what they did.

You can blame liberals all you want.

But not a one pushed the notion that degregulation and the 'free hand of the markets' should rule the day.

Or: ruin the economy.

Ooopps, I forget: everything is the president's fault.

Even though he wasn't around when it was going on.


Posted by: MistaMoe | October 14, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I know, the president is a bad guy, blah, blah, blah.

When will folks get angry about this:

So far, not a soul on Wall Street has been found to be criminally liable for the practices that led to the financial crisis. But thanks, in part, to the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission, we are getting closer than ever to the day when the culprits will pay for what they did.


You can blame liberals all you want.

But not a one pushed the notion that degregulation and the 'free hand of the markets' should rule the day.

Or: ruin the economy.

Ooopps, I forget: everything is the president's fault.

Even though he wasn't around when it was going on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 14, 2010 10:25 PM |

I really don't want to get into the politics thing accept to say that I don't blame the current president for the mess that was created before his time. He gets blame for a multitude of other things. I honestly can't think of any politician that is blameless for any number of ridiculous transgressions. I mean Bush for example. This guy was supposed to be a conservative. Problem is he was not a FISCAL conservative. Guy went through money like it was toilet paper. The mortgage crisis predates him so we can keep going but whats the point. As long as we keep voting politicians into positions of power we all will keep getting screwed.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 14, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Anyways....

Skins 27
Colts 24

Another game that comes down to the last play..This time it's the D that seals the game.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 14, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Moe -

"Free hand of the Markets" assumes transparency (folks can see all of the info) as well as honesty...which is ludicrous. The rating services have become a joke as they are not independent of the i-banks.

Some of the issues left out of the article was the oversight that HAD been provided by the SEC had been legislated AND policied away by politicians whose campaigns were financed by the banks. the SEC acts of 1933 and 1934 which separated i-banks from banks was basically overturned which in itself multiplied the systematic risk across all investment classes. What the article does not mention is that the practices during 2001-2008 may actually have been LEGAL, whereas in the late 90s the same folks would have gone to federal prison. Thank W. Bush and Congress circa 2000-2003 for making it that way.

So when Palin said during her speech "Hey Washington, get out of my way." at the Republican convention ("lipstick') for me at least, it resonated in the wrong way. Washington got the f*ck out of the way and everybody paid dearly for it. Not to mention the rank and file of the SEC and FED who got skewered by the W. Bush administration for voicing concerns at the time (ohhh, we only heard about Dem lawyers in the Dept. of Justice because thats all the liberals were crying about at the time...they missed the big picture as well at the time).

But I really did pay a lot less in federal taxes this year so at least that part is nice.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | October 14, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

I take Skins 20-17

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 14, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

High pick RB by Shanahan
NFL Draft: 2002 / Round: 2 / Pick: 51

Posted by: alex35332 | October 14, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

High pick RB by Shanahan
NFL Draft: 2002 / Round: 2 / Pick: 51

Posted by: alex35332 | October 14, 2010 10:51 PM

Clinton Portis..

He also did it again in 2004 w/ Tatum Bell. With only TWO picks in the first 4 RDs, I doubt he does it again.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 14, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Hey Scamp -

One side steals with the left, the other side steals with the right. But Bush's right hand was the most egregious of all time. Clinton (who really I can't stand but much like Beli-up-chuck I have to admit was beyond competent)actually tightened lending requirements during his tenure. The debt was reduced and government was operating at a surplus. All were undone by W. He did it as his FIRST BILL Passed into law.

Watch the BBC sometime and learn how others view the US. Now on the Iraq war - Saddam Hussein actually turned over more information on Al Quaeda than any government could get through infiltration to Interpol. He hated those guys (they were Wahab and viewed his branch of Sunni as being heathen) and turned them over in droves to the Brits and French. As a despot, he would not have even ranked in the top 10 in the world at the time. And he cooperated with the UN fully for arms inspections in advance of our invasion (yeah, he did). There were reasons the Canadians (who are actually the most war-mongering nation on the planet - entered Vietnam, Korea, WWII and WWI years before the US in higher %s) didn't join us, never mind the French.

All of the nations of the world lined up for Afghanistan and we turned more than a fair few away. For Iraq: 300 poles, 2000 brits (before they reduced their commits) for Iraq. The world saw it for what it was, a needless war. At least it is essentially over - 50k remaining is a tithe that needs to be paid since we picked the war; 25k remain in Korea to this day and many many more in Europe (germany and Italy) as remnants of WWII.

Hey, at least his dad (who I did like) made more than $1B off his investments from the Iraq war. And tricky Dick's old company got a blank check without the burden of having to account for it.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not ALL about bashing the right as I consider myself terribly conservative. Blag from Illinois was a Democrat that no one could be proud of being associated with. And his wife was ugly and on reality TV. And to be fair, living in MD, what Obama has given (in reduced federal taxes) O'Malley has tried his best to take away (in increased state taxes). I believe I am still helping to pay for the Ravens stadium and I do not even root for them. And plenty of Dems joined in the chorus calling for Clinton's head for getting some head - many of whom were outed by that great American, Larry Flynt.

Regards -

-hgr

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | October 14, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Hey Scamp -

One side steals with the left, the other side steals with the right. But Bush's right hand was the most egregious of all time.

Posted by: HughGRection | October 14, 2010 11:11 PM

I really can't stand Bush as he has done more to damage true conservatism than any man ever but I hardly think you have access to enough information to make that claim legitimately.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 14, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

If we don't get more stud o-linemen then we will endure even more years of mediocrity or sub-mediocrity like last year. I gotta believe that Shanallen get that having won in the past. I thought the 3rd round was the round where Shanny had gotten RBs in the past.

I really hope we get some more tread out of CP until the young athletic effective o-line arrives. That said, I wish thos fat f*cks would quit dressing up in mumus and hog noses for camera time during the game. Its been close to 20 years since the Hogs existed. They annoy me and always have, even when we were winning. Whats the point of the Hogettes when we haven't had Hogs on the team? And seriously wtf is the point of crossdressing at a game? Do they wear those get ups for the Drag Race at Dupont Circle? Gawd they annoy me.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | October 14, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Not that I'm apolitical, but I will make one points that few people make -- that are apolitical.

1. Capital gains is not what it used to be. It doesn't stimulate the economy because most cap gains are really earned on investments that don't create economic activity. Buy a stock and the money doesn't go to the company except in a few specific situations (when new shares are being created). In contrast, put the same $ into a CD at your local credit union. The CU loans out the $ in your community, which does turn into economic activity (buy a car hopefully made in America, remodel a kitchen, etc). Jobs come from that -- they don't come from buying 1,000 shares of GE.

I only want tax breaks that do this: create investment leading to American jobs. I don't know any other economic 'issue' that I would create a tax benefit for (there may be some social things, but that is a different discussion). I'm not interested in giving an American lower tax rates on an investment if it mostly creates jobs in China. If someone has a good business model that creates jobs in China, no problem. Just don't create a tax break for it.

90+% of the stuff I've done in my life that gets cap gains treatment doesn't fit the criteria of creating jobs in the US.

2. Taxes are regressive. The IRS published a study that showed the top 400 earners pay, on average, 17% of their income to the Feds (owners of the LA Dodgers paid zero for years -- and the things they called tax deductions -- ugh). The top 400 are all in the $100+million income club. If you make $125k, you pay about 20% of that amount to the Feds. A lot of that has to do with earnings being taxed more heavily than cap gains, and that market gains don't require contributions to SS or Medicare.

The tax system is regressive. Its amazing how few people have picked up on this.

3. Stimulus, when done, should mostly be about 1 thing. Creating long term, value added American jobs in areas that are strategically meaningful to this country. The GM bailout actually fit that criteria. So would the infrastructure bill being proposed.

4. People talk about how critical consumer spending is to this country. We would be better off if business spending was more meaningful to our economy. When consumers buy flat screen TVs, many of the jobs they are supporting aren't in this country. A computer chip factory runs about $3billion. There are a lot of jobs that get created when building and operating that. Business to business jobs.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 14, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Hey Scamp -

One side steals with the left, the other side steals with the right. But Bush's right hand was the most egregious of all time.

Posted by: HughGRection | October 14, 2010 11:11 PM

I really can't stand Bush as he has done more to damage true conservatism than any man ever but I hardly think you have access to enough information to make that claim legitimately.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 14, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

True, Scamp, true. I shoulda stuck with especially egregious as opposed to "all-time." And yes, the roots of much of my ranting is that true conservatism (at least my version) - stay out of my sh*t, do not tax me, go after criminals (both violent and white-collar) and protect my investments instead of taking them to pay for mismanaged government - were perverted. To be fair, I did love his reduction of the capital gains tax. But he failed me in one very important way when we had a republican congress: Estate taxes. Shoulda eliminated them or at least reduced them to tolerable levels. Giving 55% to the feds (and more to states) of your post-tax wealth instead of to ones spawn is WRONG. Either tax us less when we are alive but for god sakes don't take MOST of it when we die. Do not expect Obama to fix that or for the Dems to even see it as a problem. Sure, you die and your kids have to sell off your assets to pay the feds. I wonder if they have to pay capital gains taxes as well as they are selling them off.

Of course there are ways to reduce this burden but they require one thing....expensive lawyers. Back to what Moe was saying above!

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | October 14, 2010 11:40 PM | Report abuse

But he failed me in one very important way when we had a republican congress: Estate taxes. Shoulda eliminated them or at least reduced them to tolerable levels. Giving 55% to the feds (and more to states) of your post-tax wealth instead of to ones spawn is WRONG. Either tax us less when we are alive but for god sakes don't take MOST of it when we die. Do not expect Obama to fix that or for the Dems to even see it as a problem. Sure, you die and your kids have to sell off your assets to pay the feds. I wonder if they have to pay capital gains taxes as well as they are selling them off.

Of course there are ways to reduce this burden but they require one thing....expensive lawyers. Back to what Moe was saying above!

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | October 14, 2010 11:40 PM |

Estate taxes is my single biggest peav about taxes. I mean, what the hell? I work my balls off so I can leave stuff to my kids but really I need to work twice as hard to give them half as much? How the hell can the government justify that they deserve half when they lie, cheat and steal with every breath they take?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 14, 2010 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Very interesting take on cap gains Z.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | October 14, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

I find myself torn between a flat tax and a consumption tax. Though I am leaning towards the latter.

When you need a book that is three inches thick to explain the tax codes, you have too many.

Posted by: edvar | October 15, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Who knew that scamp would get along so famously with HughGRection?

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 15, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

I find myself torn between a flat tax and a consumption tax. Though I am leaning towards the latter.

When you need a book that is three inches thick to explain the tax codes, you have too many.

Posted by: edvar | October 15, 2010 12:12 AM

Either one of those is better than the pile of crap we have now. There are far too many loopholes and favoritism shown in current tax law. Also, it is too easily manipulated by politicians, which is why it will stand forever. Of course there are issues with flat and consumption taxes as well. One way wealthy people get around consumption taxes are to make their major purchases out of the country. Of course then the isuue of getting those purchases here comes into play. Internet purchases from out of the country are also hard to tax. Still, I believe those issues are still better than the ones the current tax codes create.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 15, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Scamp - you are all over this one. Your last sentence brought it home. None of those concerns are as bad as what we have now.

I'd also like a little better accounting for what we spend the money on now, but that's a whole other kettle of fish.

Ughh, enough. Not gonna fix the world tonight on a football blog anyway.


Try though we may...


See ya tomorrow.

Posted by: edvar | October 15, 2010 12:30 AM | Report abuse

I read today that half of Afghanistans opium crops were wiped out by a fungus. So apparently God did what we couldn't. You'd think that would be half the battle won right? Nope. It may have created a worse problem. Now, the opium that is left is commanding such high prices that it becomes nearly impossible for us to convince farmers to grow legal crops. So you think Taliban and Al Queda money took a hit? Not so much. The reduced supply at increased value may be bringing in just as much money. So now what? How can we conitinue a policy of opium eradication knowing that 1) We can never get it all and the result is 2) it increases the value to the point that it becomes impossible to convince farmers to grow anything else?

With that I bid you adieu.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 15, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Don't like the flat tax at all. Do like the consumption tax -- as long as it replaces most of the IRS stuff.

If it were my call -- would have consumption tax and income tax of about 10=15% or so on those making around $1,000,000 per year, whether via earned income or other ways.

One thing I've always felt is that by having a once per year tax 'event', it creates problems where small errors compound. A $300 monthly error isn't a big deal if you catch it, but if you don't discover it for 12 months, that can really mess with a person.

In practice, we can all find "events" (even if we knew it was coming) where we didn't get the $$ numbers right (taxes, vacation, college, new car, etc). There is real value in making taxes more predictable.

With the consumption tax, you have a choice of whether to buy the item and pay the tax then and there. But it is very predictable.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 15, 2010 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Estate taxes is my single biggest peav about taxes. I mean, what the hell? I work my balls off so I can leave stuff to my kids but really I need to work twice as hard to give them half as much? How the hell can the government justify that they deserve half when they lie, cheat and steal with every breath they take?

Posted by: scampbell1975

A lot of people don't pay taxes on their way to gaining massive estates. If Bill Gates kicked tomorrow, only a very small fraction of his overall wealth would have been taxed. Same with Buffett, Ellison, etc.

I think the exemption is $4million next year if nothing changes. That is a pretty healthy exemption, and a small % of people would get hit with it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 15, 2010 1:24 AM | Report abuse

ok so back to football...

I expect shanallen to trade player picks n move up in this draft. Targeting guys to fit the scheme.

As it stands..

1. NT/DEor ILB depending on how's there

2. C

Top 4 rounds r where I expect to see our moves


Posted by: brandon_in_cali | October 15, 2010 3:09 AM | Report abuse

ok so back to football...

I expect shanallen to trade player picks n move up in this draft. Targeting guys to fit the scheme.

As it stands..

1. NT/DEor ILB depending on how's there

2. C

Top 4 rounds r where I expect to see our moves


Posted by: brandon_in_cali | October 15, 2010 3:10 AM | Report abuse

Good to see politics making a return to the blog...that, and draft talk smack dab in the middle of the season...smh...

Can't wait for game day...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 15, 2010 5:32 AM | Report abuse

Redskins notes and analysis 10/14/10
By: John Keim
Examiner Staff Writer
10/14/10 9:36 PM EDT

1. Trent Williams said he’ll be ready to play Sunday. Mike Shanahan seems to agree and it’s his opinion that matters most. By the way, Williams said he doesn’t want to wear a brace but that his “mama” wants him to. Guess we’ll find out who makes the decisions, huh?

2. Albert Haynesworth returned to practice, but he’ll be a game-time decision Sunday. Haynesworth had been in Tennessee since Oct. 7 following the death of his half-brother. Shanahan said they want to make sure he’s in the right shape “mentally and physically” before deciding whether or not he’ll play.

“Obviously he went through a tough six days,” Shanahan said. “Anytime you’re away for six days, there’s conditioning obviously. We understand what happened and the crisis he was dealing with. Hopefully he can get back in shape and do the things he needs to do to help us win.”

3. Linebacker Rocky McIntosh (concussion) did not practice and will see a doctor Friday to see about getting cleared. If McIntosh can’t play, rookie Perry Riley would be active for the second time. He or H.B. Blades would replace McIntosh.

4. Don’t assume that Riley would replace McIntosh. In many ways, it wouldn’t make sense. Riley is a downhill linebacker who comes up hard against the run. The Colts are a passing team. It would make more sense to use Blades in the nickel or Reed Doughty in the dime, giving the Redskins better cover guys. Really, would you want Riley dropping into zones vs. Peyton Manning in his first real action?

5. That’s not a knock vs. Riley; I liked what I saw this summer in both practice and games. But Blades can cover better. That said, if it was against a running team, I’d want Riley just to have a bigger body in the lineup. The ability to get off blocks is crucial in any defense, but it’s even bigger in this defense. Why? Because the linemen aren’t always occupying enough guys for the linebackers to avoid these plays.

6. I also don’t buy the notion that McIntosh is having a terrific year. When the Redskins didn’t sign him to an extension this summer, I thought it smart for at least one reason: see how well he can do in this defense first. I think he’s been OK; he has a hard time getting off blocks and is ordinary in coverage. He still has to prove he can be effective in this defense.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 15, 2010 5:55 AM | Report abuse

7. Just a hunch, but Brandon Banks will score on a punt return Sunday night. The Colts’ have allowed a couple long punt returns and nobody hits the corner like Banks. His aggressiveness will hurt at times; he likes to sneak a peak before catching the ball to see his lane. That could lead to some miscues on occasion. But it will lead to a big runback Sunday night.

“Usually the great ones do that,” Shanahan said. “They want to see the coverage. They want to see if they should fair catch it or have the chance to return it. The guys that worry me are the guys that want to fair catch it all the time. Those are the guys I’ve got a problem with."

8. Submit a question for Redskins mailbag. I’ll answer it Friday.

9. Here’s a look at the chess match between the defense and Manning.

10. Tight end Chris Cooley knows what it will do for the offense if Anthony Armstrong continues to shine. “It opens it up. I don’t think you’ll see guys get more or less catches, you’ll see guys like me and Santana have their averages go up…. Once you see guys making more plays, you get bigger plays.”


Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Redskins-notes-and-analysis-101410-104997744.html#ixzz12Q5oueT8

Posted by: beep-beep | October 15, 2010 5:57 AM | Report abuse

Good to see politics making a return to the blog...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 15, 2010 5:32 AM |

Well, we did have a new direction with Zeke's Unique Perspective on Tax Policy. Total confusion. Showed that, when it comes to understanding economics, he'd make a good admiral of a rescue carrier.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 15, 2010 6:07 AM | Report abuse

Good stuff, beep...here's hoping Keim is right about Banks this week.

And no surprise on Rocky Mac...I've said all along that dude is best suited to be a weakside 'backer in a Tampa 2 defense...not exactly a perfect fit for a 3-4. I think he's one-and-done here and we either draft a guy or Perry Riley rises up as a suitable replacement.

Of course, we could also go the FA route...David Harris is the only guy the Jets didn't re-sign...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 15, 2010 6:52 AM | Report abuse


Good to see politics making a return to the blog...

not what you'd like to wake up to, that's for sure

Posted by: hessone | October 15, 2010 7:00 AM | Report abuse

Of course, we could also go the FA route...David Harris is the only guy the Jets didn't re-sign...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 15, 2010 6:52 AM

I think there will be a big FA class this next off season. We really don't have enough picks to add much in the draft, and a lot of guys look misplaced on this team. Maybe there will still be a trade or two before the deadline, but that's a long shot in this league. A lot will change over the next 11 (or more!) games, as the coaches work with the ones they've got.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 15, 2010 7:02 AM | Report abuse

Theres nothing wrong with FA's as long as it's done right. No old superstars go with young FA's who fit a specific need. Keep all draft picks and try to trade down for more, or trade someone on the current team for draft picks if possible and that player does not fit the scheme.

FA's is a good tool just not the way it's been used here in the past, let's hope we can get some good young players to fill needs on this team.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 15, 2010 7:22 AM | Report abuse

Theres nothing wrong with FA's as long as it's done right. No old superstars go with young FA's who fit a specific need. Keep all draft picks and try to trade down for more, or trade someone on the current team for draft picks if possible and that player does not fit the scheme.

FA's is a good tool just not the way it's been used here in the past, let's hope we can get some good young players to fill needs on this team.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 15, 2010 7:22 AM |

There are very few players on this team that we could trade for draft picks. Only 3 come to mind and one could still prove to be a good player for us. We might be able to trade Andre Carter and Fred Davis for a pick or two. Hayney is the other but I think he is beginning to come around.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 15, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I did not read all of your posts, but if Merriman is healthy and gets released we should take a look, for depth and sacks...if he still has it

Posted by: TheFuzzyClam | October 15, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

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