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Trent Williams says he's fine, will practice this week

Despite suffering a forearm contusion Saturday and walking around in a sling for the second half of the Redskins' 23-3 loss to Baltimore, rookie left tackle Trent Williams expects to practice fully this week and play in Friday's game against the New York Jets.

"I'm fine," he said. "I'm A-OK."

Williams said he injured his forearm in the first quarter but played through the pain. He received ice treatment and wore the sling to reduce swelling, he said. With his arm wrapped, Williams practiced regularly on Monday and knows his performance against the Ravens showed he has room for improvement.

"I had my ups and downs," he said of the Ravens' game. "It's a game to learn from."

Williams hadn't yet watched film of Saturday's game, but facing Terrell Suggs proved to be a much tougher assignment than his role in the preseason opener against Buffalo. And with Rex Ryan's aggressive defense just a few days away, he knows he'll have his hands full again this week.

"It was a huge learning experience," Williams said. "I look forward to going against more pass rushers of his stature. Maybe I can put my game on their level also."

By Rick Maese  |  August 23, 2010; 4:15 PM ET
Categories:  Trent Williams  
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I hope this Donovan thing isn't serious.

More than likely it's kind of like that boot Tom Brady wore last year. He was just fine.

I think we should sit McNabb for the rest of the preseason.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 23, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Did you actually see the Ravens game?? McNabb needs all the reps he can get in the preseason. He was all over the place.

Posted by: mussdd | August 23, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for covering what is REALLY important to the Skins: the injury status of the players who put great effort into last Saturday night, as opposed to giving headlines only to Albert Haynesworth(less).

Posted by: MrMerkin | August 23, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Did you actually see the Ravens game?? McNabb needs all the reps he can get in the preseason. He was all over the place.

Posted by: mussdd | August 23, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Yes I actually saw the Ravens game.

Everybody knows he can be a spotty QB at times.

I would rather have him 100% and ready to go Sept. 12, 2010, as opposed to risking him injuring his ankle against the best D in the league.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 23, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

If that was 100% and ready to go against the Ravens, we are in trouble.

Posted by: mussdd | August 23, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

If that was 100% and ready to go against the Ravens, we are in trouble.

Posted by: mussdd | August 23, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

That was also preseason, and there were some drops that took away from McNabb's performance.

Let him sit.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 23, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

We're about 2 weeks away from discovering a very troubling fact:

Jason Campbell wasn't that bad. McNabb isn't that good.

And Rex Grossman will play LOTS this year.

Posted by: Thinker_ | August 23, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

McNabb is going to need some time to get this offense down, especially since he's got a bunch of new receivers. But he'll get it.

I think Shanahan might cut a few WRs pretty soon (Kelly, Galloway, Austin, Hoge), so McNabb can focus on throwing to guys who'll be on the team -- and not waste time throwing to guys who won't be there.

Still, the real issue is how to keep Donovan healthy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 23, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

We're about 2 weeks away from discovering a very troubling fact:

Jason Campbell wasn't that bad. McNabb isn't that good.

And Rex Grossman will play LOTS this year.

Posted by: Thinker_ | August 23, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Yes he was, no he's not, and I hope you're wrong.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 23, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I bleed burgundy and gold, so don't get me wrong. I hope we can keep McNabb healthy and I hope he does well, but he ain't shown me much so far to inspire a lot of confidence. Hard to believe the Iggles front office got taken......

Posted by: mussdd | August 23, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I missed the game but saw the stat line for Devin Thomas (1 catch, 14 yds). How much did he play? Did he look good or was he as absent as the stat line indicates?

Posted by: HokiesSkins | August 23, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like Orakpo needs to step his game up against the rook in practice if he was so unprepared for a guy like Suggs.

Posted by: skinswest | August 23, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I missed the game but saw the stat line for Devin Thomas (1 catch, 14 yds). How much did he play? Did he look good or was he as absent as the stat line indicates?

Posted by: HokiesSkins

Invisible against a secondary that was using 3rd and 4th string guys. Armstrong was far more impressive.

The Ravens game gives you a glimpse of what you will see with McNabb. Some inaccurate passes out of the pocket, missing of rbs in the flats. Extending the play with his feet when he hit Cooley for the first down pickup. Some great passes. Limping. He will more than likely miss a couple of games this year.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 23, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

D Thomas wasn't spotlighted on offense. Did have a decent kick return. Think Shanahan wanted to look at some other folks at wide receiver. A Armstrong looked fantastic with the first string. Had so much of a gap over the defenders he could come back and drop down to get a way underthrown pass. On target throw was a easy td.

Posted by: mussdd | August 23, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

The Ravens game gives you a glimpse of what you will see with McNabb. Some inaccurate passes out of the pocket, missing of rbs in the flats. Extending the play with his feet when he hit Cooley for the first down pickup. Some great passes. Limping. He will more than likely miss a couple of games this year.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 23, 2010 5:18 PM
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i think this is pretty much it. mcnabb's streaky. it sure was good to see a few stretch-the-field passes.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | August 23, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, it was Donovan's fault that Cooley, Portis, Thomas, Davis, et al dropped several passes on Saturday night!

McNabb looked fine to me and anyone who wants to doubt his skill level and ability to win and lead an NFL offense is just a blow hard wannabe who has probably never played an organized sport in their life.

Further more, anyone who thinks we'll see any buyer/seller remorse over Donovan vs. Campbell, I really have to wonder if you have ever watched an NFL game before. I'm a big Campbell fan for his general style and attitude, but there is no comparison between him and McNabb. If you can't see that, please, stop watching football...the Mystics need you for their playoff run anyway.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | August 23, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

"And if you guys want to talk about football, we'll talk about football. But [to] keep on talking about things outside of football is completely ridiculous. But I did have a conversation with him, like I said. If you want to talk about football, we'll talk about football."

Doesn't Shanahan know about jibba jabba?

Posted by: freakzilla | August 23, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

"And if you guys want to talk about football, we'll talk about football. But [to] keep on talking about things outside of football is completely ridiculous. But I did have a conversation with him, like I said. If you want to talk about football, we'll talk about football."

Posted by: freakzilla | August 23, 2010 5:48 PM

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Ha ha! It was hilarious to hear Shanny b*tch-slap all the reporters into submission.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | August 23, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, it was Donovan's fault that Cooley, Portis, Thomas, Davis, et al dropped several passes on Saturday night!...

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | August 23, 2010 5:28 PM

These types of things were called "excuses" when pointed out for the previous QB.

Posted by: Alan4 | August 23, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

"And if you guys want to talk about football, we'll talk about football. But [to] keep on talking about things outside of football is completely ridiculous. But I did have a conversation with him, like I said. If you want to talk about football, we'll talk about football."

Posted by: freakzilla | August 23, 2010 5:48 PM


JReid's internal voice -

"Crap! Even he's not gonna talk about Haynesworth, then I've got nothing!"

Posted by: p1funk | August 23, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Wow...how about everyone gets off the ledge about McNabb, eh? I mean, really...are we really going to read into a preseason game like it's a direct reflection of what we'll see in the regular season?

Just apply some common sense for a moment...do you REALLY think that Shanahan is going to pass the ball as much as he did Saturday night? No chance. Plus the receivers dropped no less than 5 passes by my count, and many of the throws were deep downfield. Take that game for what it was...a test of the passing offense against a top tier defense (at least on paper). If we see the same crap on Sept. 12 THEN worry. Until then (cue Allen Iverson) we're talkin' 'bout PRACTICE...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 23, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Albert Haynesworth says he'll "never" talk; teammates tired of talking about him
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 23, 2010 12:52 PM ET
It looks like Albert Haynesworth won't be using air quotes again anytime soon. Haynesworth declined to speak to reporters Monday, then was asked when he would talk again. "Never," Haynesworth answered, according to the Washington Post.

With Haynesworth mum again, his Redskins teammates talked for him. And some are clearly growing tired of covering for their teammate:

Linebacker Lorenzo Alexander, via Mike Jones of TBD.com: "You wish he'd keep things in house . . . Bad judgment. Eventually this has gotta stop with the back and forth . . . but once we start winning some games it'll all be ok."

Cornerback Carlos Rogers, via Ryan O'Halloran: "You just shake your head like, 'What's next?'"

Defensive line teammate Phillip Daniels: "I guess he was frustrated w[ith] when he played, but i played fourth quarter too. Just play football."

Just like in the offseason, the Redskins are breaking the normal locker room code of always defending a teammate. Middle linebacker London Fletcher seems to be the one guy with the big picture in mind.

Fletcher spoke with Haynesworth Monday, according to Jason Reid. Fletcher said they had a "good talk" and is convinced Haynesworth is "on board."

As always, Haynesworth's petulant actions will speak louder than any words.

Posted by: suliman215 | August 23, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Concerned about McNabb's health. Not about his ability. He'll be fine.

In preseason, you throw a lot. The passing game is more complicated with more timing issues -- plus there is more to learn than with the run. In our case, there are lots of WRs to evaluate as well.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 23, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, it was Donovan's fault that Cooley, Portis, Thomas, Davis, et al dropped several passes on Saturday night!...

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | August 23, 2010 5:28 PM

These types of things were called "excuses" when pointed out for the previous QB.


Posted by: Alan4

That's the truth.....

Posted by: dcwun | August 23, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

all these 3-4 defenses and pass rushers in the preseason should help prepare trent for dallas. I am kind of worried that he will not get an opportunity to see an nfl 4-3 defense until the regular season.

Posted by: nfcBEaST | August 23, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth don't need to talk so long as he has D Hall doing it for him.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course...

Posted by: Vic1 | August 23, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

comments, from the Ravens perspective, on what happened in the game. Highlights ...

the fake punt was silly
Zorn getting gatoraded was sillier
Suggs was back to being Suggs
Cooley was eating the Raven LBs alive
Flacco wasn't that impressive

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2010/08/five_things_we_learned_from_the_ravens_233_victory.html#more

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 23, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

"Concerned about McNabb's health. Not about his ability. He'll be fine. "


Posted by: zcezcest1

I'm concerned about both. Its the same stuff we've seen out of McNabb for the last couple of years, injuries and inaccurate passes. I would like nothing more than for me to be wrong about our QB but......

Posted by: dcwun | August 23, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

all these 3-4 defenses and pass rushers in the preseason should help prepare trent for dallas. I am kind of worried that he will not get an opportunity to see an nfl 4-3 defense until the regular season.

Posted by: nfcBEaST |

He's a rookie. He's gonna see lots of new things.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 23, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

all these 3-4 defenses and pass rushers in the preseason should help prepare trent for dallas. I am kind of worried that he will not get an opportunity to see an nfl 4-3 defense until the regular season.

Posted by: nfcBEaST | August 23, 2010 6:51 PM


I don't see why...it's a lot harder going up against the 3-4 since you don't know where the blitz is coming from and the blocking assignments tend to be a bit trickier. Against a 4-3, he'll basically be up against the RDE all day with little variation.

Personally, I'm glad he's seeing a lot of the 3-4. It's what he'll see Week 1 and throughout much of his career.

Good stuff from Zeke from the Ravens side of things...seems to me they'd be freaking out if Suggs isn't taking advantage of a rookie. And on our end, we should expect to see a rookie struggle against one of the better pass rushers in the game. I just hope the coaching staff has the wisdom to see that this guy can't be left on an island alone just yet.

Alan, dropped passes are NOT the fault of the QB...regardless of whether his initials are DM or JC. It's a part of football, dude. Brady and Manning aren't 100% on target on every throw either. If it's perfection you want from your QB, perhaps a different JC will descend from heaven if you pray really, REALLY hard...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 23, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

"If you guys want to talk about football, we'll talk about football," Shanahan said. "But to keep on talking about things outside of football to me is completely ridiculous".

I agree with you 100% Mike, advice that you would have been well-served to have heeded yourself here-to-fore. If AH is obviously jaking it then suspend him without pay. If not then start him in the next game and see how he does. No more goobledygook about not having enough logged enough practice time to start. But keep anything but the bare minimum of info out of the media.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | August 23, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

comments, from the Ravens perspective, on what happened in the game. Highlights ...

the fake punt was silly
Zorn getting gatoraded was sillier
Suggs was back to being Suggs
Cooley was eating the Raven LBs alive
Flacco wasn't that impressive

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2010/08/five_things_we_learned_from_the_ravens_233_victory.html#more

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 23, 2010 6:59 PM |

Your transcription is out of synch:

Suggs was eating TW alive
Cooley was back to being Cooley

And I would have said "Flacco was flaccid", sort like your pecker.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | August 23, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

comments, from the Ravens perspective, on what happened in the game. Highlights ...

the fake punt was silly
Zorn getting gatoraded was sillier
Suggs was back to being Suggs
Cooley was eating the Raven LBs alive
Flacco wasn't that impressive

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2010/08/five_things_we_learned_from_the_ravens_233_victory.html#more

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 23, 2010 6:59 PM |

Your transcription is out of synch:

Suggs was eating TW alive
Cooley was back to being Cooley

And I would have said "Flacco was flaccid", sort like your pecker.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | August 23, 2010 7:36 PM

damn you're a mean drunk

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 23, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, it was Donovan's fault that Cooley, Portis, Thomas, Davis, et al dropped several passes on Saturday night!...

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | August 23, 2010 5:28 PM

These types of things were called "excuses" when pointed out for the previous QB.


Posted by: Alan4

That's the truth.....

Posted by: dcwun

A One-Paragraph Summary of Jason Campbell in DC

Jason Campbell was drafted high by HOF coach Joe Gibbs for his athleticism, character, and professionalism as a passer with a strong arm however not an optimum WC offense passer. After a season on the bench under Mark Brunell, Campbell took the reigns of Gibbs offense late in 2006 and finished the year with adequate numbers. Campbell was the starter in 2007 with fair a fair performance statistically but was unable to play in the playoffs due to injury. High expectations met Campbell in 2008 and 2009 as new coach Jim Zorn (a lauded QB coach) took control of the franchise, unfortunately Zorn's tenure was as HC was unsuccessful and his WC offense was not correctly installed or executed due to, amoung other things, constant meddling by the FO. Campbell was traded in 2010 to Oakland for a 2012 4th round pick despite consistently improving numbers by Redskins new coach Mike Shanahan. Campbell was asked to learn two different offensive systems on teams which were unsuccessful due to fundamental flaws in team FO management, improperly designed personnel schema, poor Oline play in 2009, and being asked to run offenses that were a poor fit for his abilities. Despite these obstacles, it remains to be seen whether Campbell is capable of effectively running an offense in the NFL given his apparent short commings in "field sense," leadership, ability to understand defenses and adjust accordingly, get rid of the ball effectively, and find open receivers in his 2nd and 3rd read.


There, that just about says what Campbell was to us right? Perhaps now we can put to sleep the Campbell chatter, both the haters and supporters, so we can finally move the f'ck on.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 23, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps now we can put to sleep the Campbell chatter, both the haters and supporters, so we can finally move the f'ck on.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 23, 2010 7:46 PM |

I saw a bit of the Raiders/Bears game. Both QBs, Cutler and Campbell, looked pretty good for preseason game #2. It wasn't that long ago that the Skins FO was hot to jilt the one for the other. I wonder if big things are going to come out of the Cutler/Mike Fartz pairing. Also, I was surprised to see that the Raiders gave Rocks Cartwright so much playing time.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | August 23, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

There, that just about says what Campbell was to us right? Perhaps now we can put to sleep the Campbell chatter, both the haters and supporters, so we can finally move the f'ck on.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 23, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

I'd say that is a pretty fair account of things.

Posted by: westjr88 | August 23, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

What's hilarious to me is how folks claim a QB is "all over the place". LMAO, the Ravens defense was all over the place. When a QB is rushed, any QB - Baugh, Unitas, Montana - will make snap decisions and inaccurate throws.

If a 300lb guy was running towards you at full speed while you typed a post on this page, you'd have typos.

Posted by: 20yrskinfan | August 23, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Also.....just wondering why there are Cowgirl fans on a Redskin blog? Are they that bored/immature? I have never, nor do I ever plan to, go on a message board for the Cowboys.
I'm also curious about what they have to crow about. The Cowboys have been unimpressive and their offensive line is disappearing faster white powder on Michael Irvin's counter top.

Posted by: westjr88 | August 23, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

These types of things were called "excuses" when pointed out for the previous QB.


Posted by: Alan4

That's the truth.....

Posted by: dcwun

yes, and the fact that JC never led a team to the super bowl but DM has. Get over your sick obsession with Campbell and move the F on.

HTTR!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | August 23, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

"Its the same stuff we've seen out of McNabb for the last couple of years, injuries and inaccurate passes. I would like nothing more than for me to be wrong about our QB but......Posted by: dcwun"

Whenever somebody closes with 'I hope I'm wrong', I find myself wanting to say, 'no you don't'. I think what they really mean is something along the lines of "I hope I'm right, but we somehow manage to win anyway."

Great thing about sports is, we all get to watch and see exactly how things turn out.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 23, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

True 20yrsskinsfan...I was there and will be at every skins game at home this yr(overpriced season ticket holder for the first time) and the WRs dropped more balls than he threw away..Larry Johnson couldn't catch a check down to him on our own 5 yd line that WP or CP woulda ran 20 yac. WIlliams isn't as good as he thought. Suggs was outweighed by like 50 lbs and on a couple plays he was by TW before he even got into his shuffle. We are gonna need one of our TE's (Davis) to assist on blocking or half Sellers in a weak I/strong I formation to help out. We play tough premier pass rushers the first 6 weeks and he either needs to improve ten fold in 3 weeks or shanny needs to call screens or quick slants to keep the edge from being an issue.
I wanna see what willie has left in the tank. He is a down hill runner...Thats the problem we have 3 downhill runners. THey shoulda kept Mason bc he can fly and was a good threat on pitch outs and off tackle plays. 3rd and 1 they call the same old off tackle play on williams side and suggs blew him up. Sellers is 285 lbs...When are we just gonna give him the ball up the middle on 3rd and short and let him fall forward?

Westjr88 the Irvin comment...Golden. Cowboys fans are the lowest forms of life...most of them have no ties to Dallas or TX for that matter. ( 5 of my friends are prime examples, not a single fam. member from there nor have they ever been to the state) if the Yankees were picked to win the AL east every year and didn't win a single playoff game in 15 yrs do you think they'd have anything close to the following they have now? Noone cares about a team that does well until it matters bc half of the divsion (PHI and us) have been horribly inconsistent, and Jekkyl and Hide like for 5 years straight)

Side note...the whole safety talk..Yeah Reed is slower but he's for sure the best open field tackler..he wraps instead of throwing his shoudlers into ppl like Laron and Horton. He grabs ankles and tackles, yeah he doesn't crush or decleet folks but he doesn't whiff trying to knock ppl out of the game either. He's got a higher ceiling and better football IQ. Moore was all over the place and Reed for the most part was where he needed to be and didn't allow many YAC yds when the WRs caught passes...

Posted by: DGreen28BestEver | August 23, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah, it was Donovan's fault that Cooley, Portis, Thomas, Davis, et al dropped several passes on Saturday night!...Posted by: WaitingGuilty"

Looking at the film, both sides are correct: the receivers dropped an unusual number of balls (even for preseason), and McNabb was throwing behind the receiver on most of them.

Thing that gets neglected is the throws where they connected. McNabb finished 11 of 26 but for 206 yards (versus Flacco at 9 of 16 for 72). Rex went 14 of 21 for another 195, for a combined 365 net yards passing and 19 first downs.

Could they have done that last year, even in preseason, against Baltimore?

Posted by: Samson151 | August 23, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Sucks about K Moore.


Beavis: He said, "suck...more."

Butthead: Suck more?

Beavis: Yeah, suck more.

He-he, he-he, he-he, he-he, he-he, he-he, he-he, he-he, he-he,...suck more..., he-he, he-he, he-he,....

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 23, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

The titans don't look so bad.

But then, the cards don't look so good.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 23, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Could they have done that last year, even in preseason, against Baltimore?

Posted by: Samson151 | August 23, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse
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There is much work to be done, but so far there are signs of hope. First, our 3rd down conversion rate is 50%, which is commendable, and we have a pretty sexy yard/play average.

Our running game needs help, but there is tremendous potential here.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 23, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I am the great Cornholio. I need TP for my bunghole.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 23, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

McNabb's yardage for just playing one half, was 206. There were alot of games that Soup didn't get that in 4 quarters.

I'll take 18.7 yds per completion. No problem.
Beats the hell out of 5 yd screens on 3rd and 8.

Posted by: westjr88 | August 23, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Thing about Saturday's game that I'm not sure if anyone's pointed out:

Take away the fake punt, and the first half (the half that matters) was pretty much a draw.

In fact, take away the fake punt and have Gano make his FG at the end of the half, and your halftime score is 6-6.

Posted by: freakzilla | August 23, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

"Could they have done that last year, even in preseason, against Baltimore?"


What would be a true signal of the team's strength would be going to New York, and beating the jets at their own game--defense/special teams.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 23, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

"What would be a true signal of the team's strength would be going to New York, and beating the jets at their own game--defense/special teams.Posted by: MistaMoe"

That would be a trick because I'm thinking McNabb doesn't play.

So the two things I'd be looking for are defense against the run (again) and the ability to grind out some yards of their own.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 23, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

I am the great Cornholio. I need TP for my bunghole.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 23, 2010 9:28 PM

Use your sleeve again like you did yesterday. And don't forget to change your shirt tomorrow morning -- like you did this morning.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 23, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Whenever somebody closes with 'I hope I'm wrong', I find myself wanting to say, 'no you don't'. I think what they really mean is something along the lines of "I hope I'm right, but we somehow manage to win anyway."

Posted by: Samson151 | August 23, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Great observation. Right on the money.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 23, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Our running game needs help, but there is tremendous potential here.
Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 23, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I feel pretty good about the future of our running game too, and it has everything to do with Portis and the way our line has been blocking the scheme.

I was critical of Portis last year, but he's showing everything I wanted to see--excellent burst, good vision, and decisiveness. I don't even think he's run into the backs of any O linemen yet...

The line could be better, but it already surpasses last year by a mile so far. And we still really have nowhere to go but up in that regard.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 23, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Whenever somebody closes with 'I hope I'm wrong', I find myself wanting to say, 'no you don't'. I think what they really mean is something along the lines of "I hope I'm right, but we somehow manage to win anyway."

Posted by: Samson151 | August 23, 2010 8:24 PM

When they say "I hope you're wrong," though, they're sincere. In fact what they're really saying is "I hope you're wrong and that everyone who visits RI will realize what an idiot you are and they will laugh at all your posts forever. Except when you're trying to be funny and then they'll tell you that you sound about as funny as zjfr2."

Posted by: beep-beep | August 23, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Whenever somebody closes with 'I hope I'm wrong', I find myself wanting to say, 'no you don't'. I think what they really mean is something along the lines of "I hope I'm right, but we somehow manage to win anyway."

Posted by: Samson151 | August 23, 2010 8:24 PM

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Well done.

It's pretty clear that Alan4 and Thinker_ secretly want the Redskins to fail with McNabb at QB. They have taken several opportunities to mock/misquote bloggers who feel that a good QB helps your team win.

There is always gonna be disagreements about the more important positions in football and I understand that and enjoy debating it. What gets me a lil irritated--like a mosquito bite--and where they lose their credibility is that they honestly and sincerely believe McNabb is not an upgrade over Campbell...you jus can't make this stuff up, seriously!

Posted by: Vicc | August 24, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Campbell is a poor mans mcnabb.

Ill get ripped by the soup lovers but to me he didn't have enough balls.

Eventually you gotta take risks, if you don't you lose. Simple.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | August 24, 2010 12:21 AM | Report abuse

If you think that Donovan McNabb is not a major upgrade over my fellow Souper then you should have your head checked. It amazes me to read the sky is falling crowd after the travesy of football this team has been over the last 2 years. Every thing we do will be improved but it seems there are still those that realistically believe we should go from 4-12 to Superbowl contender in one year with the severe handicapping we've had over the last couple of years. We are better, we will be better, and we will contend in a few years. It just won't be overnight. Be happy with improvement and don't get so bent out of shape. The coaching is better, the QB is better, the oline is better...we will be better overall...relax.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 24, 2010 12:37 AM | Report abuse

mcnabb is a HUGE upgrade. i wasn't totally down with the mcnabb acquisition, at first - for about 1/2 an hour. but it grew on me. that's really the one position where one person can make a huge difference.

there we several passes mcnabb threw that campbell would never have thrown - great passes, big chunks of yardage. you live with his occasional terrible throws to get those great ones - like the 3rd down one to cooley, or the rocket to moss between defenders. and his charisma/leadership charges up the whole team.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | August 24, 2010 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Scamp, that was straight up rational. You call yourself a football fan?!

Posted by: freakzilla | August 24, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Walter's right. You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.

But some people don't want omelets, they want flapjacks.

Well you can't have flapjacks. Flapjacks is coaching the D in New Orleans now.

Posted by: freakzilla | August 24, 2010 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Just looked at Seattle's schedule to see how many prime time games they have this year. Was just curious.

And they have none. We have three. That seem odd?

Posted by: freakzilla | August 24, 2010 1:12 AM | Report abuse

I am glad Mike Shanahan is in charge of this organization. It could have been so, well, so very much worse.

Posted by: Pepper5 | August 24, 2010 1:13 AM | Report abuse

Scamp, that was straight up rational. You call yourself a football fan?!

Posted by: freakzilla | August 24, 2010 12:59 AM | Report

I know...I'm embarrased.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 24, 2010 1:15 AM | Report abuse

I am glad Mike Shanahan is in charge of this organization. It could have been so, well, so very much worse.

Posted by: Pepper5 | August 24, 2010 1:13 AM |

Oh it was...it was.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 24, 2010 1:17 AM | Report abuse

I'm one of the few who spoke out against the McNabb trade, but he is a clear upgrade at QB.

My 'against' was based on my preference to use that high pick (via pick or trade) to both improve our OL talent and get younger on the OL.

I feel Campbell behind a good OL would produce similarly to McNabb behind a mediocre OL.

Just to run the scenerio out ... I would have been willing to trade the picks used on McNabb (+ a player or another pick), possibly to draft M Pouncey (supposedly the top center to come along in many years).

Logan Mankins may be available (though not a free agent), but if I add up the salaries of Pouncey + Mankins + Campbell and compare it to McNabb + Hicks + Rabach -- I'm pretty certain the Pouncey/Mankins/Campbell group would come out a few million $$ cheaper. Certainly, the $$ spent on McNabb could have also been spent elsewhere to get a very very good player.

An offense with Campbell behind an OL of TW, Dock, Pouncey, Mankins and J. Brown? That'd give Campbell good protection and be a very good line for our run game. That would have bene my preferred direction.

In 2 years, Campbell may be even comparable to McNabb. But today? No.

McNabb is a very clear upgrade.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 24, 2010 1:40 AM | Report abuse

U guys Callin Jcam a poor mans McNabb is hilarious!! Campbell has about half the throws a man needs to be a top tier NFL qb, and that's just a fact. McNabb has ALL the throws despite some bad ones here and there the great thing is when he does make a bad throw it generally isn't a pick and that's huge

If you aren't lazy and don't mind doin a little research you'll find that there are only 2 QB's in the league over the last 10yrs that have the numbers and I mean all the numbers including wins that McNabb has and their names are Manning and Brady! Jcam couldn't hold McNabbs jock period!!

Posted by: skins91r | August 24, 2010 2:48 AM | Report abuse

Interesting thought, how do you guys feel about mark ingram with our first round pick....???

Or you guys thinking another o lineman??

I say either rb/dt or a hybrid lb/de opposite rakpo

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | August 24, 2010 3:00 AM | Report abuse

Interesting thought, how do you guys feel about mark ingram with our first round pick....???

Or you guys thinking another o lineman??

I say either rb/dt or a hybrid lb/de opposite rakpo

Posted by: brandon_in_cali

I'm all about getting an OL in place that we can roll with for 5-10 years. TW is the only piece of that now. J Brown could be, but his deal is done after this season. We'll see how that plays out. Dockery has about 5 years to go, he turns 30 before opening day. Rabach and Hicks are already 30+. We have no meaningful depth and no signs of an OL that might be 'breakout' among those in the organization now.

To me, the OL makes the run game AND the pass game better. Start there and build the pieces around it.

We have enough good pieces on the defense. OL is still the area with the greatest need. WR is not far behind.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 24, 2010 4:12 AM | Report abuse


They've had their fill
Redskins players have reached their boiling point with the Mike Shanahan vs. Albert Haynesworth tiff, and are tired of talking about it.


The media lacks self control. We're all tired of the AH deal, but if you listen to the players comments, they aren't at a boiling point over this matter. LFletcher sounds like it's part of the job, dealing with immature teammates.

WaPo, quit trying to make a big deal out of everything you report, and start to list your sources, or we don't believe what you're reporting.

Posted by: hessone | August 24, 2010 7:39 AM | Report abuse

"Interesting thought, how do you guys feel about mark ingram with our first round pick....???"

I'd prefer to trade out the first round to secure a low second rounder and an additional low round pick.

That second rounder should be someone who can fill-in anywhere along the o-line.

Establishing o-line depth and strength would allow the team to use no-name backs who get yards behind stellar blocking.

Mark Ingraham is a good back.

But without blocking, a good back is just another guy.

And we got enough 'guys' at running back already.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 24, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

mcnabb is a HUGE upgrade. i wasn't totally down with the mcnabb acquisition, at first - for about 1/2 an hour. but it grew on me. that's really the one position where one person can make a huge difference.

there we several passes mcnabb threw that campbell would never have thrown - great passes, big chunks of yardage. you live with his occasional terrible throws to get those great ones - like the 3rd down one to cooley, or the rocket to moss between defenders. and his charisma/leadership charges up the whole team.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch

Walter is right on. With McNabb you will get the passes at the ankles of the backs in the flats. He will also hit a with a beautiful deep ball. He is a streaky QB that is not going to wow you with his completion percentage. I think some of the throwing behind the receivers was a timing issue that will get better with time.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 24, 2010 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis/Santana Moss

Both of these players are in what might be their final years as Redskins.

And so, at the end of the season, which guy might be worth a 're-up'?

a. Clinton Portis

b. Santana Moss


Moe rolls with re-upping Moss as moving him into the slot should squeeze 2-3 additional years of productivity out of him.

Too, given that the wide receiver position is the the weakest link in the redskin offensive chain, releasing the one guy you can depend on would be short-sighted.

The trouble with re-upping Portis is that all backs eventually wear down and don't live up to their final contract.

And it would take more than the wisdom of King Solomon to decide just how much a running approaching 30 is worth to a team that needs to get younger and faster.

So this year, we should ride Clinton like the young Bronco he once was.

And let Moss grow slowly into a new role.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 24, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

missed the game, its being replayed on NFL Network on Wednesday night at 8pm.

For those who saw it, was it as bad as the score?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 24, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Side note...the whole safety talk..Yeah Reed is slower but he's for sure the best open field tackler..he wraps instead of throwing his shoudlers into ppl like Laron and Horton. He grabs ankles and tackles, yeah he doesn't crush or decleet folks but he doesn't whiff trying to knock ppl out of the game either. He's got a higher ceiling and better football IQ. Moore was all over the place and Reed for the most part was where he needed to be and didn't allow many YAC yds when the WRs caught passes...

Posted by: DGreen28BestEver | August 23, 2010 8:29 PM
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I totally disagree. Doughty has the reflexes of a tree and the speed of a rock. He's always a day late and dollar short when reacting to plays. At free safety in this defense, your coverage abilities have to be top notch. Being able to tackle doesn't do you much good if you can't catch your guy, or have to take an angle that gives up big chunks of yardage at a time. Doughty was a great strong safety in Greg Blache's defense, but he is another guy that really doesn't fit in Haslett's defense. What they need at free is essentially another corner. This is why I suggest moving Rogers or Barnes to free safety.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 24, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

missed the game, its being replayed on NFL Network on Wednesday night at 8pm.

For those who saw it, was it as bad as the score?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

No...at least not in my opinion. Fred Davis should have caught a pass in the end zone for a TD. Ravens starters would not have scored except for a fake punt that worked out great for them.

Refs were ALL over us, though.

Posted by: Lisa_R | August 24, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

missed the game, its being replayed on NFL Network on Wednesday night at 8pm.

For those who saw it, was it as bad as the score?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 24, 2010 8:11 AM
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The first half - with the exception of the fake punt - was just battling back and forth. The second half was ugly, but if you like seeing Rex Grossman running for his life, you should watch it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 24, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

beantowngreg

Johnny Damon, 2: "The Return To the Sawx" is about to happen.

Should it?

I'd say, 'yes'.

The Yanks final three games are against Boston at home in NY.

Think of the drama.

Damon knocks the team that wouldn't resign him out of the playoffs in their stadium.

And it's not like its the first time it happened.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 24, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

moe, ain't happening, Damon has boston as one of his no-trade teams....

sox just got hit by the injury bug big time this year...ride out the year, bring in Adrian Gonzo next year, and lets go.....

thanks for the thoughts on the game, these injuries are worrisome

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 24, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

U guys Callin Jcam a poor mans McNabb is hilarious!! Campbell has about half the throws a man needs to be a top tier NFL qb, and that's just a fact. McNabb has ALL the throws despite some bad ones here and there the great thing is when he does make a bad throw it generally isn't a pick and that's huge

If you aren't lazy and don't mind doin a little research you'll find that there are only 2 QB's in the league over the last 10yrs that have the numbers and I mean all the numbers including wins that McNabb has and their names are Manning and Brady! Jcam couldn't hold McNabbs jock period!!

Posted by: skins91r

McNabb is clearly an upgrade over JC. That being said the Redskins are not getting the McNabb of the last 10 years. They are getting the current McNabb which while better than JC is not the McNabb of five years ago.

I like Zcest disagreed with the trade for the same reasons he mentioned. I did not think that McNabb was the final piece to the puzzle and that the team would have been better served using those picks fill the many holes. I saw the acquisition of McNabb as making them a .500 team and not a playoff caliber team.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 24, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

beantown

"...sox just got hit by the injury bug big time this year...ride out the year, bring in Adrian Gonzo next year, and lets go..."

The Tampa Rays will win the World Series.

Book it!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 24, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

When I look at the McNabb trade I look at it more like what happened to Buffalo when they got Drew Bledso. McNabb may make the team better and he may even go to the pro-bowl and get us to the playoffs in a year or two. But The Coaches should still be looking for the QB of the future.

As for Campbell, I was always in the guys corner, and never understood why the team wanted to run offences that played to his weakness and not his strengths.

But we have shipped him out, if you are still holding a grudge against the guy there is something wrong with you.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 24, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

As for Campbell, I was always in the guys corner, and never understood why the team wanted to run offences that played to his weakness and not his strengths.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 24, 2010 8:39 AM

Because at the professional level he has no useful strengths?

Posted by: beep-beep | August 24, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

@ArmchairGM:

Regarding comments from a previous thread... I thought my post was getting a little long so I didn't cover several players that should have been discussed.

#13 (Armstrong) - You just have to find a spot for this guy. I wouldn't be surprised to see him as the Z man (slot/3rd receiver) if not on opening day sometime during the season.

Rodgers & Landry - I wondered if it was my imagination or if these two were playing better. I even wondered sometimes if they were the same players as last year or new guys wearing the old guy's jerseys. :)Since it seems you have a similar observation I guess it is not my imagination. However, due to issues in the past I am reserving judgement, it is preseason. I hope they continue to change my mind.

This post is starting to get a little long too even though I have more to cover. :( We'll get to it though. :)

@Posters questioning if the qb position has been upgraded:
Firstly, one of the qbs in question could be fairly effective in hitting the hot read if the receiver was open. But, if the hot read wasn't there he was in trouble especially if the open guy was to his left. The other is about as effective at hitting the hot read. But if the hot read is covered this guy can work through his progressions and find the open guy or pull it down and get out of trouble. Secondly, how many 3rd and longs were converted in the entire preseason last year? How many 3rd and longs have been converted in the first two preseason games this year? Yeah I think there has been an upgrade at the qb position.

Posted by: BetterOffWithFedorov | August 24, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

beeper, beepers, beepers

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 24, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Trent Williams was fine he faced a probowler an got taken to school big deal it part of his growth process. Actually he really did not do tha bad and he is better then anyhing this team has had since Samuels went down.

In regards to Mcnabb his 3rd down completion percentage was good, he also still has the ability to improvise an make things happen an this team has not had a quarterback with that capabilty since Theissman!
Reed Doughty may be so called super smart but he is super slow to be playing free safety we need to keep him on special teams only!!!!!!!!!!!1

Posted by: BeatDontStop | August 24, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

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