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Posted at 10:38 AM ET, 12/13/2010

Trent Williams wants more W's

By Jason Reid

Nearing the end of his rookie season, Redskins left tackle Trent Williams has an appreciation for what really matters in the NFL.

So while he was pleased for running back Ryan Torain, who rushed for a career-high 172 yards in Sunday's 17-16 loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and proud of the offensive line's performance, the defeat was Williams's focus.

"We didn't win the game," Williams said as he dressed slowly in the locker room at FedEx Field. "It's great to run for a lot of yards and all that, but we're not winning these games.

"If you win the games and then do all of that, then you can feel good about it. But that's not where we're at right now. We've just got to find ways to do all the other stuff and win."

In his return to the lineup after missing four games because of a lingering hamstring injury, Torain, a second-year running back, provided a spark from the start. On Washington's first play from scrimmage, Torain ran behind the left side of the line for a career-long 54-yard gain.

In the first two quarters, he rushed for 158 yards with an 8.8-yard average. Torain's rushing total was the highest in a first half since former New York Giants back Tiki Barber had 171 yards against the Redskins on Oct. 30, 2005.

"That was great," Williams said. "It was great to see him go out there and do that, and it was great for the way we [the offensive line] played. When guys are running like that, you feel good that you're doing the job up front."

Williams was among four new starters along the offensive line this season, and the group could undergo another major makeover before the 2011 season. Washington does not have a championship-caliber group yet, and Coach Mike Shanahan will be under pressure next season to show that his team has progressed significantly.

"I think we're coming together," said Williams, who is expected to be the longterm anchor of the offensive line. "We're working and getting better, but you never know what's going to happen.

"We just have to keep going out there, playing hard and finish the season strong. That's what's important now."

By Jason Reid  | December 13, 2010; 10:38 AM ET
Categories:  Trent Williams  
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Comments

It's Cowboy Weak.

(the misspelling is intentional)

So where's the hate?

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 13, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

First of all Trent Williams is a beast. A complete monster.

Anyway, I think the best situation for the Redskins offseason is to be able to pick up a young guard (Logan Mankins) and a young center (dude from the panthers). This way our 1st and 2nd round pick can become more flexable. If the panthers decide not to pick AJ Green #1 overall, he should be there when we pick. Now the thing is which WR does Shanny like better AJ Green or Julio Jones? Last year everyone graded Okung better than Trent, but we choose Trent.

In the second round, if on the board, the Redskins should grab Christian Ponder. He is an underrated QB right now, he has high potential and great talent. Draft him and have him compete with Mc5.

If we want to go the other way around, if Mallett, Newton, or Locker is on the board when we pick in the 1st round, take one of them. Then in the 2nd round, if available get a guy such as Johathen Baldwin, or the WR from Notre Dame.

But I think our priorities have to be grabing a young guard and center in FA, in order to use your 1st and 2nd on a WR and QB.

Posted by: roccoskins | December 13, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

draft talk...with 3 games left...during dallas week.....life for a Redskins fan summed up...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 13, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

"Trent Williams wants more W's"


Hell, don't we all?

But TW will never have to worry about accountability...after all, losses are always the QB's fault...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 13, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

So where's the hate?

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 13, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Tough to get all fired up when both teams are better off losing. Carlos will actually be dropping interceptions on purpose this week.

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 13, 2010 10:57 AM

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 13, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Exactly.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 13, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

etrod, we've had one or two "four-bagger"s, but I never thought I would experience "one for the thumb"!

Posted by: frediefritz | December 13, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Exactly.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 13, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

etrod, we've had one or two "four-bagger"s, but I never thought I would experience "one for the thumb"!

Posted by: frediefritz | December 13, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Exactly.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 13, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

etrod, we've had one or two "four-bagger"s, but I never thought I would experience "one for the thumb"!

Posted by: frediefritz | December 13, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Exactly.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 13, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

etrod, we've had one or two "four-bagger"s, but I never thought I would experience "one for the thumb"!

Posted by: frediefritz | December 13, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Exactly.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 13, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

etrod, we've had one or two "four-bagger"s, but I never thought I would experience "one for the thumb"!

Posted by: frediefritz | December 13, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

in some strange way, it was actually a good outcome yesterday.

1)we totally outplayed the bucs

2)there are numerous "if only"s we can point to:
a. holding penalty not called on buc's td
b. TWO "gimme" field goals missed
c. extra point missed
d. hall's dropped pick 6
e. others? [insert excuses here]

3)we improved our draft position...

(sorry...if i don't think of it this way, i'll cry.)

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | December 13, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

If the panthers decide not to pick AJ Green #1 overall, he should be there when we pick. Now the thing is which WR does Shanny like better AJ Green or Julio Jones?

Posted by: roccoskins | December 13, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse


Shanny likes Justin Blackmon.

Posted by: p1funk | December 13, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

@roccoskins.... Your post is another classic example of why this team will continue to fail... Our 1st round draft pick ahould be on another OL like Trent, not getting another used product like we did with Jamal Brown and Artis Hicks through FA... How do you folks expect to build a good team by FA? Not to mention that uh, we have no 2nd round pick (hence Mc5). Sheesh we have Armstrong, Moss, and Austin... Give these guys a chance for christs sakes... If we can't have a strong line to protect Mc5, there's no point in even trying anymore...

Posted by: mattkrogman | December 13, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

walter, #1, and #2 are both loser talk...just like when Shanny said that Orakpo was 'mugged', thats loser talk....no excuses...EVER.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 13, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Due to the trades, intended to squeeze more than 5 wins out of the 2010 year, we have no 3rd or 4th round pick in 2011. We do have our 1st, 2nd, 2 5ths, 6th and 7th rounders stil available and will get a 2012 4th round pick from Oakland.

The good news...this is a weaker draft class and maybe Shanallen can trade back a few times to get some "value" picks in the 3rd and or 4th rounds. There may not be a ton of difference between the 8th overall pick and the 15th pick, so we might get a sucker to move up and grab extra picks.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 13, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

How do you folks expect to build a good team by FA? Not to mention that uh, we have no 2nd round pick (hence Mc5). Sheesh we have Armstrong, Moss, and Austin... Give these guys a chance for christs sakes... If we can't have a strong line to protect Mc5, there's no point in even trying anymore...

Posted by: mattkrogman | December 13, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse


You answered your own question.

We have to build a team by FA b/c we have few draft picks.

We have Armstong, Moss and Austin...which means we're set at #2, #3 and #4 WR positions.

Posted by: p1funk | December 13, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

@mattkrogman, Yea but thing is, you don't draft guards in the top 10 picks. We don't need another LT. RT's rarley are picked in the top 10, plus Jammal Brown has played well as of late.

We do need playmakers as well.

@p1funk, The thing with Blackmon is, he reminds me of Devin Thomas. A one year wonder in college. I think it would be best for Blackmon to stay another year in college. I actually think Julio Jones is more of a Shanny guy, b/c he would remind him of Brandon Marshall. A tall, strong, player. But what seperates Julio and AJ from the rest of the WR's in this draft is the combination of Size and speed.

Posted by: roccoskins | December 13, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Um, yeah, there HAS been a noticeable difference between this year and last year:

1. We don't have a bingo caller calling plays

2. No swinging gate or dumb game decisions

3. Zorn wouldn't have gotten Portis whipped into shape and 30 pounds lighter

4. Do you really miss Hip Hip.....

5. LT of the future

6. Even though a couple were called back, Banks is a threat every time he touches the ball. The only excitement we got from El was to see who recovered his fumbles at the bottom of the pile and how many fair catches he can make in a game!

7. Practice now is not the 'inmates running the prison' show at Redskins Park.

8. VINNY'S GONE!!!

9. A new coaching staff, which should be given more than 13 games into the season before the villagers come out with pitchforks and torches to kill it!

10. New video boards. Did you know they were punter proof......

Posted by: monk811 | December 13, 2010 10:57 AM |


1. Vinny

2. The team turned in the wrong name on the inactive list before a game. Yesterday, Shanahan called a 30 timeout followed by a delay of game penalty. I won't attempt to catlog them, but there have indeed been dumb game decisions.

3. Thank Snyder for coddling Portis.

4. Irrelevent.

5. No brainer

6. Good find. I give credit... mitigated by hiring kickers who can't kick field goals.

7. Shanahan let Haynesworth's conditioning test turn into a circus. Jury still out.

8. You should be kissing Zorn's beanbag for this.

9. Similar results to previous coaching staff. Who cares?

10. ????

Posted by: Alan4 | December 13, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

draft talk...with 3 games left...during dallas week.....life for a Redskins fan summed up...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 13, 2010 10:58 AM

walter, #1, and #2 are both loser talk...just like when Shanny said that Orakpo was 'mugged', thats loser talk....no excuses...EVER.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 13, 2010 11:12 AM

Whereas your posts are winner talk? You used to bring something to this blog. Now you got nothing -- as whiney as Rachel and as negative as pabrian2003.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 13, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

walter, #1, and #2 are both loser talk...just like when Shanny said that Orakpo was 'mugged', thats loser talk....no excuses...EVER.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 |

You can beat this drum all you want. During the presser, Shanahan was asked his opinion of the play. He correctly described it as a mugging. He did not offer it as an excuse for losing the game.

Posted by: swowra | December 13, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Vincent Jackson will be the top FA priority for Shanallen this offseason.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 13, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

@p1funk.... I understand that, but we have no business wasting a 1st/2nd/3rd (whatever the hell we have) on WR when we have OL issues... Havent we been there and done that already with Thomas and Kelly? Damn I'd rather take my chances on an established WR through FA... How's those FA OLmen working out for us this year???

Posted by: mattkrogman | December 13, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

How do you folks expect to build a good team by FA? Not to mention that uh, we have no 2nd round pick (hence Mc5). Sheesh we have Armstrong, Moss, and Austin... Give these guys a chance for christs sakes... If we can't have a strong line to protect Mc5, there's no point in even trying anymore...

Posted by: mattkrogman | December 13, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Use the FA market to get specific vets that fit the schemes and improve holes in the team and can contribute tight away. Use the draft to get cheaper, talented players that fit scheme, plug holes, build depth, and can play a major role in the near future. They go hand in hand.

Posted by: TWISI | December 13, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

I think anyone that thought we would have been a play off team at all this year is a fool. If anyone thought DMAC was going to fix our problems, is a fool...we have more holes than pasta strainer, this will not be fixed in one or two seasons.

I dont think McNabb is the problem, but when you throw consistently 4 or more throws in the dirt, when the WR is open, that is a problem.

We suck and will continue to suck until we have a full slate of draft picks to build and smart FA pickups. What is that 3 years from now, who knows if any of these people will still be around.

I will always support the skins and follow them, regardless of the stupidity in the front office and Hunter the Punter, Guano and Dmac inability to the throw correct anymore, but 1:4.

Hail Skins.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 13, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

p1funk

Shanny likes Justin Blackmon.


Let's Go Bowling:

BCS Title Game - Monday, 1/10
8:30 PM ET

2 Oregon
1 Auburn

Sugar Bolw Tuesday, 1/4
8:30 PM ET

6 Ohio State
8 Arkansas

Orange Bowl - Monday, 1/3
8:30 PM ET

4 Stanford
13 Virginia Tech

Rose Bowl- Saturday, 1/1
5:00 PM ET

5 Wisconsin
3 TCU

Fiesta Bowl - Saturday, 1/1
8:30 PM ET

Connecticut
7 Oklahoma

You look at this roster of gae and think, "Why can't they--the NCAA--just convert this into a playoff series?"

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 13, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

My buddy who's a Philly fan texted me the following...Get ready for throws in the dirt!


This was back in April...they've seen it for 11 years, we can't be shocked that it still happens. With that being said, who else is out there to QB our team? Could've drafted Sanchez, he's looked real solid lately...McNabb isn't the problem with this team, it goes much much deeper than that. At this point, we have no choice but to trust in Shanallen and take our lumps through the tough times. It WILL make the better times ahead feel so much better.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 13, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Moe what are your bowl predictions?

I got:

Auburn
Arkansas
VT
Wisconsin
OK

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 13, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

This year I really see 6 huge changes:

1. We found a LT of the future

2. We found 3 young RBs who have
complimentary skill sets and should be here for several years (RT, KW, JD)

3. We found a weapon that every team searches for but few find: Brandon Banks. Huge find, huge weapon for years to come.

4. Laron Landry Woke up.

5. Added some depth on Oline to develop (Cook, Capers) and rehab (Brown/Lichtensteiger).

6. Started the 3-4 switch. Painful but necessary year to build on.

Now, pick 6 for next year, that's the way it works. These things happen incrementally, and by 2012 we should have 18 major imprints from Shanahan and Allen and at that point we should judge where the team is.

Next year's 6 for me:

Stud offensive guard

Young QB to develop

2 new pieces on D line

Play maker at WR

Play maker at OLB


Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 13, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

monk, did you really want to use play calling as a point of improvement from last year?? Is that serious...um Cooley didn't catch a pass until there were 3 minutes left in the game....the bucs shut down the run in the 2nd half, and the Redskins had NOTHING...so wow...really??
and dumb game decisions...did you watch right before halftime yesterday....was that not a clinic on how NOT to use timeouts/manage the game...

the team is fractionally better....sweet...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 13, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse


But TW will never have to worry about accountability...after all, losses are always the QB's fault...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 13, 2010 10:58 AM |

beating a dead horse brown ?

Posted by: hessone | December 13, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

We will not draft O line in the 1st round. We need a Guard and a Center. There is no way your going to tell me if the best WR prospect since maybe Randy Moss in AJ Green is on the board, we are going to pass on him. The lowest we will pick is like 13. Why in the world would you reach for a Guard or Center, in the top 13 when you could easily get one of the top 2 centers in the 2nd round.

We do need a #1 receiver, Vincent Jackson is good. But AJ Green and Julio Jones has much much MUCH more upside. And with the new bargining agreement, it may be cheaper to get a WR in the 1st round with a price already set.

Posted by: roccoskins | December 13, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Torain wouldve scored had he not "lost his burst"

sincerely,

portis haters

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 13, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Next year's 6 for me:

Stud offensive guard

Young QB to develop

2 new pieces on D line

Play maker at WR

Play maker at OLB


Posted by: WaitingGuilty

I think the same, but I think we are going to need more than 1 LB, we will need at least 2, London has been a beast, but for how much longer? Rocky MAc isnt it, period.

I think that Shanny will pick up VJax if we can afforda and then draft a stud RB instead of a WR...Torain is decent, but I dont see him finishing a whole season.

Wonder what kind of trades we will see. I think J. Brown will also be much better next year...

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 13, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

First game that shannahan mis managed!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 13, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Good News/Bad News

GOOD NEWS

I was able to watch the game in the comfort of my own home, because of the HHH Dome Disaster.

BAD NEWS

I was able to watch the game in the comfort of my own home, because of the HHH Dome Disaster.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 13, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Shanny likes Justin Blackmon - who is younger than both AJ Green and Julio Jones and is absolutely destroying their production.

Posted by: p1funk | December 13, 2010 10:55 AM


Where did you read/hear this. Blckmon is talented, but I've heard he's got some work to do in his route running. Maybe the clean slate theory works for Shanny, but if the Skin's are in the top ten and want to go in the WR direction, AJ Green would be the guy in my book.

Posted by: TWISI | December 13, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Isn't Blackmon a sophmore?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 13, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

@p1funk.... I understand that, but we have no business wasting a 1st/2nd/3rd (whatever the hell we have) on WR when we have OL issues... Havent we been there and done that already with Thomas and Kelly? Damn I'd rather take my chances on an established WR through FA... How's those FA OLmen working out for us this year???

Posted by: mattkrogman | December 13, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse


And how are those FA WRs working out for us this year?

Pick your poison when it comes to draft/FA acquisitions.

Putting Kelly/Thomas in the same class with Justin Blackmon is simply ignorant. Those guys "fell" to the 2nd round b/c there was all sorts of questions about health (Kelly) and ability to make it in the NFL (Thomas).

Justin Blackmon continues to rise on draft boards. As a sophmore, he leads the nation in receiving yards/game (150), TD (18) and is second in receptions (102). And he also missed a game this season. He needs 8 yards in Alamo Bowl to break Larry Fitzgerlad's NCAA record for sohpmore receiving yards. Even with a hobbled ankle against Oklahoma coming in and out of the game he went for 8 catches 105 yards and a TD.

There are no lineman prospects at 10-14 that have the upside of Justin Blackmon at the WR position; and WR is a need.

Besides, who is an "established" WR in FA? Someone like Brandon Marshall? maybe someone like Roy Williams? FA WRs can be as much a crapshoot as anything. Vincent Jackson? You're gonna have to overpay for him and he's overrated. The Chargers passing game hasn't missed a beat without him.

Posted by: p1funk | December 13, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

mhartz1

Auburn
Arkansas
VT
Wisconsin
OK

I can't see VaTech beating Stanford.

I don't want to watch Conn v Okla--but I will.

ARK v. Ohio State will be a great college football game.

And as for the Nat'l Championship game, we see it too as a great game.

Auburn's Nick Fairly is someone redskin fans should check out as he's a dominant defensive lineman and worthy of a top 10 pick.

The Ducks running back Micheals is worth watching, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 13, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

@p1funk, The thing with Blackmon is, he reminds me of Devin Thomas. A one year wonder in college. I think it would be best for Blackmon to stay another year in college. I actually think Julio Jones is more of a Shanny guy, b/c he would remind him of Brandon Marshall. A tall, strong, player. But what seperates Julio and AJ from the rest of the WR's in this draft is the combination of Size and speed.

Posted by: roccoskins | December 13, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse


To compare Justin Blackmon with Devin Thomas is ignorant.

Go do some research on their college careers and then come back and have this conversation.

As a sophmore on a team with no other playmkers, Blackmon is destroying AJ Green and Julio Jone's production.

Posted by: p1funk | December 13, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

p1funk

School'em, p1funk, school'em.

We can get the linemen we need (center/guard) in the mid rounds this time around.

This is a quarterback, wr draft coming up--and we got needs there, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 13, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Blackmon is a faster version of Dez Bryant. Slightly smaller, but just as strong and just as good hands...

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 13, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse


Dunno why, but am a little bit concerned about this week's visit to Dull-ass.

It could be because the Cowchips been playing much tougher of late -- witness last night's tight game with the Pfleagles -- and it seems clear they're trying to finish strong.

Whereas, at least according to some witnesses to the latest debacle at Feckless Field, we're already finished.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 13, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

This team is as mentally soft as they come... and can someone please teach our trainers how to properly stretch and condition hamstrings!

Posted by: Redskinrex | December 13, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

This is a quarterback, wr draft coming up--and we got needs there, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 13, 2010 11:46 AM

I think that this draft is a WR/CB draft w/some very good QBs.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 13, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

vic, co-sign, except that I think the skins get pounded....#5 throw 2 pick six's, and we get some Rexy time mid way through the 3rd quarter....this game has bad outcome written all over it....even if Wade was still running the show, we'd get smoked...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 13, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alan4 | December 13, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

A couple of your comebacks were ridiculous. You said you didn't see much difference between last year and this year, and I gave you 10 good ones! Sure, the Hip Hip and punter proof video boards were jokes, the others were serious.

It didn't matter who brought in the Bingo Caller, the point is that he's gone! Kyle is a good play caller, we need better players to execute those plays.

You really think Snyder had anything to do with keeping Portis in line? He's been playing and practicing when we wants for years, now Snyder puts a leash on him??? Please...

Haynesworth turned it into a circus, as well as the media, not Shanahan. If Fatty had done what he was supposed to then none of this would have happened. Keep taking up for him though, it makes you look REAL good.

Maybe you should just freeze yourself and be thawed out in the future when we are good again. The rest of us TRUE fans will sit through the good AND the bad of this team. Don't take too long Snyder, he might freezer burn......

Posted by: monk811 | December 13, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Hate to say this and I don't know what the line is, but Cowboys in a romp...Tough to bet against the Skins, but this could be the lock of the year.

Any guess on the opening line? Boys -10?

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 13, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

dive ass 'staying confident' beeps!!!

Posted by: monk811 | December 13, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

accountabilibeeps

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 13, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

As a sophmore on a team with no other playmkers, Blackmon is destroying AJ Green and Julio Jone's production.

Posted by: p1funk | December 13, 2010 11:43 AM

I dunno compare Georgia's offensive performance with and without Green. My gut there's a big difference.

=============================================

This is a quarterback, wr draft coming up--and we got needs there, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 13, 2010 11:46 AM

In the first round it's, early anyways, it's DL, LB, DBs.

Posted by: TWISI | December 13, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Justin Blackmon is not any where close to being better than AJ Green or Julio Jones. It is fine to compare Blackmon to Devin Thomas because if you go back and look at what people said about Devin its the same thing. People saw that he had a boat load of talent. He rose up draft boards like crazy, and some even thought he was gonna be a top 15 pick. He was a one year wonder.

Im not saying Blackmon will fail, but there are a couple things I dnt like about him. DUI charges, route running is not that good, and once again he has proven himself for one season. To compare Blackmon to AJ Green and Julio Jones is insane, I dont care what his numbers say.

Posted by: roccoskins | December 13, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse


Haynesworth turned it into a circus, as well as the media, not Shanahan.

Posted by: monk811 | December 13, 2010 11:52 AM |
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shanahan let the circus develope, after all, he's the head cheese

Posted by: hessone | December 13, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Might as well throw my two cents' worth in. First, @mhartz, for years we've been watching McNabb go against the Skins and three things could be counted on. He was going to throw the ball in the grass or high a number of times, thankfully(at the time). He was going to throw a ton of screen passes, and the biggest danger was that Westbrook might bust loose on one or more of them. And he was capable of elevating his game in clutch situations. We got all of that when we traded for him. He's a good but flawed quarterback and always has been. There are very few QBs you can't say have major limitations to their game.

Posted by: OintheSierras | December 13, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who isn't frustrated or has their vagina all itchy over reading comments that express disappointment, pessimism, or plain apathy really needs to put down their pom-poms and get their damn head examined for a past lobotomy procedure. It's like some of you are THAT fhucking brain dead or brainwashed because no one is that delusional. NO WAY!


HOW can ANYONE who's REALLY a FAN just have a ho-hum attitude today is nothing short of BAFFALING to me! I mean, REALLY?!?!?! You're talking about a squad who lost on a gawddamn extra-point AFTER converting a fourth down that resulted in a NEEDED to have TD with NINE seconds left in regulation!?!?!?! WHO DOES THAT?!?!?! This is a team that has PERENNIALLY shown the ability to lose games in this manner -- EVERY gawddamn year! If they're not making piss-poor plays and decisions on the field, then they're making sour dark yellow PISS POOR decisions in hiring coaches and player personnel. It's been like this since BEFORE Snyder and after the 1991 season. For those keeping score, that's damn near TWENTY YEARS!!! And don't bring me W/L's from other teams in that span and personnel and coaching decisions similar to the Redskins. I couldn't give a FHUCK about those teams. I don't follow them, therefore I DO NOT take solace in OTHER teams mistakes!

Sorry for acting like an ass, but damn you gotta wonder, what are the Redskins doing behind the scenes? Are they running some sort of underground kiddie porn ring? Swindling retirees? Abusing special needs kids? Because these sort of mischances only happen to those who deserve it and have it coming -- most of the time.


As far as me, I will NEVER hope the team looses, and I'll ALWAYS hope that they win.

I just don't believe they will win anymore or Sundays. If they do, it's some sort of blind-fools-gold-anomaly. If they loose: Business as usual. I do not believe in 'em. As a fan who wants nothing more than to see them the do well, that absolutely sucks. If you can't believe in the team you root for, what do you have?

Posted by: RedDMV | December 13, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

It would be nice if the Redskins could pick up a young guard and center through FA, but the foucus in the draft should be defense; a clone of Orakpo for the opposite side, ILB for the aging London Fletcher, Speed on the defense should be priority! Shanny has had a nack for picking RB's late in the draft. It doesn't make sense to keep drafting WR's or QB's and they can't protect them. Defense over the years have won championships! During the regular season games are won in the trenches!

Posted by: NitePoetz | December 13, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Someone please explain to me why you go for a 1 point conversion which only sends the game into overtime (which can go either way)when a 2 point conversion will win the game. Considering Ryan Torain's success in punching through Tampa and Gano's previous misses, the one point conversion didn't seem to be automatic.

Posted by: SilverTiger671 | December 13, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Someone please explain to me why you go for a 1 point conversion which only sends the game into overtime (which can go either way)when a 2 point conversion will win the game. Considering Ryan Torain's success in punching through Tampa and Gano's previous misses, the one point conversion didn't seem to be automatic.

Posted by: SilverTiger671 | December 13, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Mattkrogman good job with the draft expertise. It sort of invalidates your knowledge when you don't even know what picks they have. Lol as you would say it's the "classic" fan that thinks he knows what he's talking about but has not a clue! Lmao What about some CBA expertise now!

Posted by: clwalker1906 | December 13, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I just don't believe they will win anymore or Sundays. If they do, it's some sort of blind-fools-gold-anomaly. If they loose: Business as usual. I do not believe in 'em. As a fan who wants nothing more than to see them the do well, that absolutely sucks. If you can't believe in the team you root for, what do you have?

Posted by: RedDMV | December 13, 2010 12:25 PM

Great overall post Red but this last part is exactly what I'm feeling too. Same exact thing about them winning, I have seen them lose, in heartbreaking fashion, way too many times over the years so now I go into games thinking they aren't going to win. I've lowered my expectations so that if we do in fact win it's great but if we lose, like we normally do, I'm not even that bummed out. I used to take every loss to heart and they would take days to get over and ruin the first part of my week. It's sad now that I think about it. It just sucks when we all put so much into this damn team and year in year out we are put through these agonizing losses and are subjected to underachieving mediocrity. We get no respect from other fan bases and are a joke. It's like our team is snakebitten and no matter what we just can't turn the corner and get rid of this black cloud that surrounds our franchise. I've been offered free tickets to a couple games this year but turned them down because of the same crap that happened yesterday and every other damn game.

Least my Hokies are 11-2 and in the Orange Bowl so I do have something to be stoked on and all is not lost but man I have had about enough of following the Redskins.

Posted by: Neverender84 | December 14, 2010 12:36 AM | Report abuse

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