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Troy Vincent is at Redskins Park

Not sure how much it will help at this point, but saw Vincent walk in a few minutes ago. I would imagine they would get a deal done with the DB today. They got in touch with him last week and he knows several of the defensive coaches, so I would expect it to get done.
Will post more when I know it.

Okay, a brief interlude. Now back to the regularly scheduled grumbling and roasting ...

By Jason La Canfora  |  October 16, 2006; 11:50 AM ET
 
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Too little, too late. Not having quality depth at CB was an egregious error by the front office. Its not the end all be all of where the Skins are at now, but its certainly a major component.

Posted by: Rain Man | October 16, 2006 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Just for Laughs ...

Male Restroom Etiquette

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IzO1mCAVyMw

Posted by: X.Hog | October 16, 2006 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I guess I am not so dumb after all! I suggested picking him up last week. Wait, maybe the Skins agreeing with me PROVES I am dumb. Cause they are not so great at picking players. Forget I said anything!

Posted by: Mike4169@aol.com | October 16, 2006 12:05 PM | Report abuse

At this point, Helen of Troy would be an improvement.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 16, 2006 12:09 PM | Report abuse

You know how when you're playing basketball or softball or volleyball or whatever sport with your friends, and there's that one really unathletic friend who shows up just to watch and hang out, and even though you know he doesn't really want to, you end up convincing him to play because you need even teams, and he plays and maybe he tries hard but he's just so damn unathletic and uncoordinated, and he trips over his own feet and misses the ball even when it comes right to him, and maybe he even falls down for no real reason other than that's just the way he's made, and you get the idea that he sort of knows what he's supposed to do, but his body just isn't built that way and in the end he just looks all stupid?

That's what it's like watching Carlos Rogers play. It's painful. Troy Vincent can't be any worse.

Posted by: Epstein'sMother'sDoctor | October 16, 2006 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Vincent will most likley be a safety and not take Rogers spot. That was funny though hahaha

Posted by: Mike4169@aol.com | October 16, 2006 12:14 PM | Report abuse

hes too old for cb,thats why he was moved to safety at buffalo.do we sit 30 mill adam for 34 yr old vincent.just another desperate move(duckett)that will solve nothing!

Posted by: just a thought | October 16, 2006 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I heard that Vinny sent Buffalo a 5th round pick just out of habit when we brought in Vincent.

Posted by: Why | October 16, 2006 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I cannot offer anything remotely constructive at this point because I am too distraught. I do know a few things about how I am feeling and I'm going to share them with you.

1) I am beyond upset at Grilliams right now. His call to bring in certain guys and let others go. The D is bad like a breakdancing mythical dwarf playing dodgeball blindfolded. See? That didn't even make any sense. And neither did signing Archu-deetoo to the BIGGEST safety contract ever, signing Andre Carter who gets blown up on run plays (first person who mentions that he got a sack yesterday and thus played well should have their posting priveledges revoked until 2009), keeping Holdman, releasing Harris and Clark and having every offense we play starting with Seattle last year in the playoffs completely aware of how to attack our D and fend off our meager blitz attempts.

2) The D is the reason we are bad. That is it. The one theme this year is that we have not stopped anybody at any point. The O has been up and down and frustrating at times (lots of times) but 22 points should have been plenty against the 0-5 nashvegas oilers.

3) I am irritated at the columnsists and reporters (JLC excluded) because these chooches keep saying 'we need to run the ball' and ignore the bigger picture. In the 2nd half, we tried to run it and got stuffed. You can't just keep getting stuffed. You have to run successfully. No gain on 1st down means you're passing on your next 2 and we were in 3rd and long all day. They point to the # of runs and ignore facts. We ran the heck out of it in the 1st half. When they adjusted and we were behind, we couldn't run it the same way. It is hacky journalism to point to the correlation between # of runs and wins. We've discussed it before, of course you win if you run more. It means you were ahead and running well. Infuriating.

4) I am unbelievably upset. Like beyond consoling. My girlfriend finally just left after hour 2 of me staring at the wall to the right of the tv after the game.

5) We mortgaged the future for this year and have nothing but bleak prospects after this season with under-performers earning millions and little cap room to make moves, no draft picks, no GM to stand up to Grilliams and say: 'NO you arrogant man, Archuletta is not good and shall not play for us. Hopefully, he goes somewhere else and we shall victimize him as we did in STL last year.'

6) I don't care if we rally as we did last year and make the playoffs. I have seen this play before and I know how it ends. I have not been this down about the Redskins since the Norv Turner era with his press conferences where he would say: 'well, you can't fault the effort'.

7) 202 has not been a good addition to the Blamily (blog family).

That is all for now. What a (*&%%&*^*()& shabingus on stilts.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | October 16, 2006 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Vincent is OBVIOUSLY the missing piece of the Super Bowl puzzle. can't wait to plug him in and run the table. The only thing I don't understand is this:

As he is a free agent, does this mean that our customary draft pick compensation will go to the NFL for entry into the pool of compensatory picks? Or, maybe, we'll simply pay Denver the usual tax of a third round pick. Since Vincent has ties to the defensive coaching staff I forsee a combination of 2-4 picks of value equivalent to a mid second rounder.

Either way, I'm sure Eric Schaffer and the boys will find a complicated method for getting rid of a pick or two, even if it involves selecting Vincent in the first round next year.

Posted by: TB | October 16, 2006 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the update, JlaC. ANYTHING other than thinking about yesterday's debacle is good. Worst. Day. Ever.

Posted by: WrongDog | October 16, 2006 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Self-help tip for the masses: Sometimes when I'm feeling down, I'll perk myself up by humming -- or singing -- the theme music to "Chico And The Man".

Posted by: Ted Striker | October 16, 2006 12:39 PM | Report abuse

ArtMonk2Sticks, agreed on D-problems, esp. if the massive Archuleta contract doesn't contain a mulligan clause. I'm thinking that, if they do pick up Vincent, then there is going to be an even MORE aggressive rotation in the DBs ... so that AA is not in on passing down and Springs isn't in on running downs, with Vincent/Wright/Rumph/Doughty playing in between (with Sean Taylor playing every down). I'm hoping that, in addition to Vincent, the Skins call in Brian Kelly, a corner that the Bucs are looking to trade.

Posted by: dcsween | October 16, 2006 12:49 PM | Report abuse

when you lose our draft pick gets better.when we win your draft pick gets worse,dont forget the 1st rd swap part of duckett trade!!

Posted by: denver | October 16, 2006 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Smith is available to come out of retirement as well.

Posted by: Dorf | October 16, 2006 12:52 PM | Report abuse

When I'm down, I resort to booze. Lovely, beautiful booze.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 16, 2006 12:54 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins ran 13 offensive plays in the 3rd Quarter. 3 were Clinton Portis running plays for a combined 8 yards.

Its not "hacky journalism" to question that, no matter how many times they struggled to run the ball on 1st down.


Posted by: Rain Man | October 16, 2006 12:58 PM | Report abuse

yah, Denver, no one seems to be talking about the first round swap with the Broncos which was apart of the trade...The skins front office is full of a bunch of morans...

Posted by: Rob | October 16, 2006 12:59 PM | Report abuse

ArtMonkToTheSticks,

If I was not so sad, your comments would have made me laugh - you are right on target. I listened to all the analysts yesterday trying to find some kind of hope - they all basically said the same thing - run the ball!! EXCEPT for Trevor Matich who said the Skins could not run the ball because the Titans adjusted in the second half and we could not get anywhere.

I'm dying inside and out....

Posted by: Lisa | October 16, 2006 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Does anyones else feel that even when we get "talented" players to come here they cant play all of a sudden. Lets take a look at a linebacker who came here and was just plain bad. Jeremiah Trotter. He is playing excellent, we get him and pay him a good amount. He stinks. We cut him. He goes back to Philly and resumes his excellence. Now watch, we'll get rid of Holdman, he'll go to the cowgirls and he will become a probowler.

I like when people talk of the NFL as a copycat league. I'm just glad the Redskins dont like to copy any one. People praised the Patriots on how they constantly built through the draft and won 3 of 4 superbowls. So what do we do? We pick up the players they feel dont help them(Patten, Fauria). The Steelers build through the draft and get a title. So we throw money at Randle-El and he comes. Probably one of the better pick-ups we got.

Can someone help me out and let me know how many picks we have in the draft next year and where they are at? I know we let our 2nd rounder go to the Jets for Rocky Mcintosh, what do we have left?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 16, 2006 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Here is the way the Deal with Denver breaks down:

Depending on how each team fares this season, the two teams also could wind up swapping first-round picks, but only if Washington is scheduled to pick between No. 21 and No. 31 and Denver's first-round draft position is even higher. Unlikely, though not impossible.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 16, 2006 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I think it's time to start talking about Sean Taylor. He's as lost in coverage as Rodgers, Wright, Rumph, Stanley Richard, Clarence Vaughn and Alvin Walton ever are/were. And besides being at the right place at the right time on a couple of fumbles last year, what has he done besides spit on people and threaten people in a prayer group. Oh Yeah, and misplace hit ATV's. The worst thing that happened to this D was Taylor settling his case. He no longer hits people with the "You Stole My ATV's" furry.
Seriously, keep him in a 2-deep zone or at the line, no more man coverage please!!

Posted by: JPeso | October 16, 2006 1:07 PM | Report abuse

HEADLINES: Duckett the new LT !!

In Week 7 the 2-4 Redskins showed up with a new look in the defense. Third QB, JC played in Rogers spot at CB and caught two interceptions while unused RB (Duckett) sacked Manning six times and caused two fumbles each of which is picked up and ran for a TD.

:)

Posted by: Franky Four Fingers | October 16, 2006 1:08 PM | Report abuse

I knew there was going to be a qb yesterday that telegraphed his throws. Didn't look off db's. Threw costly interceptions and limited the play calling of his O coordinator. I just thought his name would be Vince Young.

I can accept a player on our defense 8 yards downfield cutting out a 180lb running backs legs instead of form tacking him and wrapping up. I just can't accept that that player is our Middle Linebacker and not a db.


dc, for those reasons and many more I can barely speak today. I was booing as loud as I could. Not because I am no longer a Redskins fan or because I take any delight in doing so. I boo'd because that's what the team deserved and maybe those boos will help them.


Posted by: Skinz | October 16, 2006 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Jason, I'm going to keep posting this until I get an answer...

WHY
IS
FROST
STILL
HERE?


Any donkey that ever played soccer/football can punt the ball 35 yds. And its not like he's good at making spot/directional kicks. When the skins had to kick from the Titans 35 yd line in the 4th, Frost kicked it 19 yds to the 18...WTF?

Posted by: DC Luv | October 16, 2006 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Nope, not going to point the finger at 21/36. Point it elsewhere, JPeso. He's the best we got.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 16, 2006 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Vincent can help. Couldn't be any worse. Any word on whether they've talked to Sauerbraun. He may be an idiot for taking ephedra after having already being suspended for steroids, but he's still a helluva punter.

Posted by: skinswest | October 16, 2006 1:18 PM | Report abuse

GAtorskin - you bring a good point and it shows how our personnel department does not understand its job. we sign people that don't fit our scheme. Trotter was and is a beast in the Eagles scheme. in the Skins scheme, he did not fit. the same question will come for Carter and Lloyd. Both can play, but are we using them right? Carter weighs 265, but goes head to head with 300 lb tackles. he's going to lose everytime. Why Lloyd only has 5 or 6 catches is beyond me.

Posted by: robgreg | October 16, 2006 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Joe, not wanting to point the finger and realizing he is underperfoming are two different things. You're right, he is the best we got, AND he is part of the problem. He is a complete liability in coverage, has forced one fumble this year, is terrible at blitzing and his biggest hits come after the runners momentum has been stopped or the receiver has already scored (Jax). I wish he didn't disappear for games at a time, but wishing don't make it so. Go Skins!

Posted by: JPeso | October 16, 2006 1:28 PM | Report abuse

get the feeling it is a mental thing. People get paid big $$ and believe they are Super Bowl bound. Coaches & Players. The believe in their systems, so Arrington, Smoot, Pierce, etc can depart. No depth is the result. Pay big bucks to ? talent. No chemistry is the result.

The big issue is CG, even more then the DB's. When he is at his healthy best, the defense is very different. When he is limited or out, there is no one on the line that penetrates, the needs constant double teams. Carter was supposed to be the 2, as in 1-2 punch. Not happening.

Young players like Rogers and Taylor are getting schooled -- Rogers I get, Taylor has been at it long enough.

On offense, it is time to start JC. Brunell would be an excellent backup. He is the type who can bring a team back, he doesn't need tons of practice (witness the Jax week) and he does need to be healthy. All of which says he can be effective part time.

Posted by: AL | October 16, 2006 1:32 PM | Report abuse

RobGreg,

The problem is not that Carter is 265. Strahan is 255, Kearse is 265, lots of pass-rushers are light in that manner. The issue with Lloyd is that Brunnel wont throw him the ball. We need to go back to the Jacksonville game, and use that game plan. Throw the ball to everybody. Right now, we're way too predictable, and thats because of the play calling.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 16, 2006 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I'll echo DC's comment

WHY
IS
FROST
STILL
HERE?

Vincent may help the defense a little bit, but it's too late to spend money on this season if you ask me.

Good or bad, Campbell needs to start some games so we know if he's our QB of the future, or if we need to go QB shopping. Brunell and Collins will be retiring soon, and that leaves us with Campbell. We have to find out what we have there with Campbell and we won't know until he plays!!

Posted by: Max | October 16, 2006 1:33 PM | Report abuse

The defense is paying for the mistakes of the front office. Archuleta was a terrible signing. And there is simply no depth on the defensive roster at all. I suspect things will turn around and fast when the whole starting unit is healthy.

On offense, no team is wasting more weapons. If your qb has no confidence to throw the intermediate routes, then you are pretty much screwed if you don't generate solid yards on first down. That is why the skins have so many three and outs. Brunell is counting on receivers breaking tackles to make first downs -- instead of throwing to them ten yards deep. Every d coordinator in the league can see this. Saunders offense will never be a consistent force until he gets a qb in there who can make all the throws. Sitting in the stands, I can see that Randle El and Lloyd are consistently open -- MB just can't get them the ball. Saunders must be going crazy.

Posted by: Kyle | October 16, 2006 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Don't be surprised kids, this Titan(tic) loss is typical of the Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Snyd(erman) Redskins. If you change the offense every year since 2000, we will never have the continuity of offense no matter how many talented players we bring in......I wish it were different too!

Posted by: Bob-Ashburn, VA. | October 16, 2006 1:38 PM | Report abuse

From ESPNs 5 Burning Questions....

3. What's wrong with the Redskins?

Allen: The problem with the Redskins is at the quarterback position . They aren't getting any consistency at all right now from Mark Brunell. They don't know what they are going to get from Brunell. Some days, he can complete 20 passes in a row and then there are other days when he's lucky to string together four completions in a row. He has to do a better job giving this team a consistent performance. Right now, he's only hurting Washington with his up-and-down play.

Salisbury: The Redskins' problem is on the defensive side of the football. They don't seem to be executing their schemes every down. The game against Tennessee was a game in which the defense should've been salivating and looking for an opportunity to put up some great numbers in terms of sacks and interceptions. Instead, the Skins just kind of sat around and didn't play with the fire you should see out of a team this good. The Redskins have to sit down and look in the mirror and see whether they have what it takes to be a playoff squad.

Theismann: The Redskins don't seem to have a good mix of offensive personnel outside of Clinton Portis. They have a bunch of receivers who are the same type of player. They need a big, dominant player who can take over in the red zone because right now the short passes aren't getting the job done inside the 20. They have to get a guy who can go and attack the ball over a defender because teams are killing them in the red zone. They also need to get better production from Brunell. He does a great job at times, but there are times when his decisions are hurried and he makes poor throws for no reasons.

Posted by: 4th Floor | October 16, 2006 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Kyle. I watch the receivers constantly at the home games, and Lloyd or Randle El are open constantly on intermediate or deep routes. The one that has been open most is the Lloyd seam route down the middle of the field. Brunell finally saw that and hit him for a 50 yard pass. That same play has been open all year and Brunell finally threw it in game 6.

Posted by: Max | October 16, 2006 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I respect and love Gibbs, but this "its all of us" crap needs to be stopped I doubt he even beleives it. Sure everyone is making mistakes, but some guys are more consistent in making them and make bigger ones. Who you ask?

First on my chopping block Good Ole' #57 Warrick Holdman

1) The left side of the D was soft against the run and got bitten by the but back last year until he was pulled from the lineup then improved...hmmm

1a) If Lavar is better at following an assignment and run coverage than you...quit the game now.

2) Rocky Macintosh was drafted becasue the team knew Warrick was not the long term solution there

3) To the whole defense as well: YOU DO NOT TACKLE A NFL RUNNING BACK BY THE SHOULDER PADS OR BY JUST HITTING HIM!!!! Warrick is one of the worst offenders or poor tackling, hitting high, not wrapping etc.

So Coach Joe...there is one guy you need to replace hopefully that can help you see your way out of the all of us BS and make some changes

Posted by: Sec 126 | October 16, 2006 1:45 PM | Report abuse

X.Hog, that tube was a treat-- butt pudding, kidney juice, Ralph & Chuck begin to ralph & chuck.

JPeso, ST is having to play LB and corner ( not too good on corner), for our D of morons. As previously posted, he finishes out his rookie deal this year. We can't let him leave.

Sp teams, it's not a turd, it's a fumble. Pick it up.

JMan, goofballs should have sent the jet up last week. Even if Vincent couldn't play, I think it would have scratched at the morale of the DB crew.

Why was Jimoh in on corner coverage for that 5 yard slant??

Posted by: coolio | October 16, 2006 1:46 PM | Report abuse

REDSKINS, WHY DO YOU BREAK MY HEART!?!

Posted by: John From Herndon | October 16, 2006 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey guys calm down, at least it's still pretty easy to sneak small bottles of booze into the stadium and not have to pay $$ for alcohol. Just a soda or 2 to mix the booze up in.

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum | October 16, 2006 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Also there was this guy in our section who had a personalized Redskins jersey with the namy 'Snyder' on the back and for the number it was $$. He even had the dollar signs on the sleeves too. It was pretty sweet.

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum | October 16, 2006 1:51 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Brunell is capable of overthrowing a receiver on a deep route. Seems like the ball is always 5 yards underthrown, thereby forcing the receivers to play defense just to prevent interceptions. When Gibbs brought Campbell in, he said he throws a great deep ball. Campbell also showed a much quicker release than Brunell in the pre-season. I just wish I had some NFL stats to compare with Brunell's but we won't have those until Campbell plays.

Posted by: Max | October 16, 2006 1:52 PM | Report abuse

REDSKINS, WHY DO YOU BREAK JOHN FROM HERNDON'S HEART!?!

Posted by: JPeso | October 16, 2006 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Much truth in the Seinfeld episodes. There is one where George, the perennial loser, decides to do everything the opposite of his natural inclinations and discovers that he is suddenly successful. This is what the Skins (Dan Snyder)must do! It is natural as rain for the Skins to sign Vincent right now and believe he will be "the final piece." Do the opposite!!!!!

Posted by: James | October 16, 2006 1:56 PM | Report abuse

You're taking this all too seriously.

The redskins are the most successful franchise in all of pro sports. I mean, all over the world. Look at how much money they bring in the owner! If I was Dan Snyder, that's what I'd care about most. How much did I make last year from the Redskins?

You guys realize that bringing in Gibbs was a ploy to mollify fans, right? I mean, as long as people keep showing up at the stadium, there is really no incentive to win. People were threatening to leave because of years of being a loser. Now Saint Joe comes in, they make the playoffs as a wild card last year, get knocked out. Ho hum.

Just realize this is the same level of on-field success as the Redskins had with Norv Turner.

...and before anyone points to Joe Gibbs winning the superbowl in the past, keep in mind those were before over the half the fan base was even born. Might as well talk about what a great president JFK was.

Posted by: Bunkley | October 16, 2006 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Snyder, don't spend any more $$$ on this season. Troy vincent is old - and he will perform just like D. Sanders did when we signed him at age 65.

Posted by: Max | October 16, 2006 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Well, I will step in on this issue with 21/36/Hut-Hut-Hike matter. JPeso - Sean Taylor is the least of our defensive problems. He does his best to cover, but in the end, he's only one man. I mean, look who we have in the corners - The Jackal, Two-Wrongs, SpeedBumph, and a host of other no-names and done-nothings that frankly haven't done much to get out of that status. Basically, after about 10 yards, it's all up to Herr Reaper.

He's not getting any help from his fellow safety, either. Archuleta must be busy mentally fumbling through his playground physics at the start of every play, just to figure out what pursuit angle he should be taking to hit the guy he should have been watching in the first place. I can't explain why he hasn't to really bother covering, otherwise. And lets not start talking about Warrick 'Leaky Sieve' Holdman....

Posted by: FlimFlam | October 16, 2006 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm disappointed. I was hoping Joe Gibbs would do the upstanding thing and relieve himself of head coaching duties after the game...or at least show some fire...but then I realized I was wrong. Gibbs made a great point, something that had eluded me the past two and a half years..."we are all in this together." To be quite honest, it hit me like a ton of bricks. I never realized the team was in this all together until Gibbs elucidated that idea for me. (Nice thesaurus word, huh MegSkin?) It's funny, everyone got on my case for dogging Gibbs, Brunell, and Greg(g), but now it seems as if alot of people agree. It would have been nice to hear someone ask during the post-game news conference: "Hey Joe, how come this team has no heart? What exactly is your role if you can't even inspire them?" But instead, we have hacks in the press room that only ask softball questions...only to hear "we are all in this together" in response. Joe Gibbs has got to go. Just because he was successful 14(!!!!!) years ago doesn't mean he is guaranteed to be successful now.

Posted by: Skins Fan 202 | October 16, 2006 2:01 PM | Report abuse

can we insitiute a moratorium on the following phrases from Gibb's press conferences?:

" I really can't comment until I see the tape"

"Fought their guts out"

"played as hard as they could"

"All starts with me"

"the good thing about this loss is we're all in it together"

"it's all across the board"

"feel sorry for the fans and our owner"

"Mark showed some things out there"

"we called for some deep passes in there"

"great character guys in this locker room"

"it's just one play here and one play there"

"go back to the drawing board"

Posted by: Gibbs pressers | October 16, 2006 2:02 PM | Report abuse

haa haa... good one JPeso. Needed the laugh.

How do you cure a achey-breaky heart?

Coach Gibbs' relationship with the fans can be summarized in Meatloaf's famous song, "I will do anything for love but I won't do that..." He'll do anything for the fans but he won't pull Brunell!!

Posted by: John From Herndon | October 16, 2006 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Holdman needs to be cut this week. Send a damn message to the team. If you don't perform, we don't need you!!!

Posted by: Max | October 16, 2006 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Biggest Personel Loss of the season:

Pearson Prilou (or however you spell his name)

Now that you have stopped laughing....seriously. A majority of the nickle packages last year were 2CB 3S sets with him in there, he has the speed and skill to cover like a corner and was also the way to use Archuletta in situations or packages set-up for his hitting instead of as an every down jack of all trades which he is not doing well with. Finally Williams has faith in him and would blitz him or leave him on an island to get a blitz called.

So for those of you like me who were relieved it was not a "real starter" who got hurt on the first play...maybe we should think that over!

Posted by: Sec 126 | October 16, 2006 2:03 PM | Report abuse

well i think for the first time gibbs "it was all of us" speach actually holds water...its was everyone yesterday...

unfortunately we cant afford any more team let downs...indy is a must win now...

actually i guess its not...i figure if we can somehow manage to get to 4-5 we arent any worse off that 5-6 last year...which means we need to win 2 of the next 3...indy, the boys and the eagles...and if yoiu think about it...which would be the best to lose? next week at indy would be the least damaging...but i cant see how we could lose that, go to 2-5 and have any chance whatsoever...but somehow if we can wind up at 4-5...maybe...

at least its not a brunnel lynching...

he didnt lose the game...that was the whole team...primarily the defense...but the whole team...he certainly could have won it with a couple better passes...i dont know what was up with that interception...but this game never should have got to the point where we needed anything more out of brunnel...

and for once i dont put this on the coaches for bad game planning...it was the players...but all of them...and in that case...that must be bad coaching one way or another...the team was not prepared...they were not up for the game...they did not play 60 mins...

this season isnt over yet...but its about there...and just knowing the history of being a sports fan of DC teams...you just know they are going to hang around the bubble long enough to keep our hopes up every weekend, drive us mental every week and break our hearts int the end...

Posted by: deadskin | October 16, 2006 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else feel like they are dating an expensive rich b*tch who is just abusing you emotionally but you keep coming back for more? There is a point when you man up and just say forget it, the b*tch just isn't worth it. After that turning point in your life, all is better in the world. I think I am getting to that point.

LETS GO CAPS!!.....LETS GO NATS!! Hey, both of them have rookie of the year material to build on. ;)

Posted by: ptt | October 16, 2006 2:07 PM | Report abuse

"It's funny, everyone got on my case for dogging Gibbs, Brunell, and Greg(g), but now it seems as if alot of people agree."

"Just because he was successful 14(!!!!!) years ago doesn't mean he is guaranteed to be successful now."

Man what did we do before you showed up in this blog. I mean past success doesn't ensure future success? MINDBLOWING we had no idea. Thank god for you.

I mean all of us were comparing Brunell with Payton Manning and Tom Brady till you made us see the error of our thinking. Other than you inventing the wheel, the theory of relativity and penicilin those are clearly your greatest inventions.

Allow me to express for all of us our appreciation for gracing these boards.


Posted by: Skinz | October 16, 2006 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Andre Carter is really annoying with all his "I played my most physical game of the year" type-comments every week. He has a supremely false sense of confidence.

He may be well-conditioned and a physical specimen, but he's also a specimen of another kind. The kind that comes out of my butt.

Brunell may be a swell guy, but his gonads are shrunken-up. Every time there's even a hint of a pass rush, he starts flinching and throws way off target. Jason Campbell would produce more yds passing and probably more int's, but it'll probably be a wash at the end of the day, so why not get the yound guy some experience.

Saunders does not feel confident in Brunell, so he has to call all these dump-offs. It's not his fault that he's saddled with a crappy QB. He's actually doing the best he can with the players he has.

Overall the front office is responsible for this mess. Horrible QB and over-paid free agents mean that we have no young pass rushers, no depth at CB, and a very undersized LB crew.

Posted by: reality check | October 16, 2006 2:10 PM | Report abuse

redskins.com reports that the team just signed Vincent.

Super Bowl, here we come!

Posted by: P Diddy | October 16, 2006 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I read this blog all the time, but this is the first time I've posted. I just want to echo the sentiments about Brunell NEVER passing to Lloyd. I give credit to Brandon for keeping the company line after the games and stating that he's only doing what he's told, but for the love, if Lloyd got the ball half the time when he was open, he'd be one of the top receivers in the league. JLC, I'm interested to know, is there any grumbling amongst the offensive players about Brunell or Saunder's play calling?

Also, someone said earlier that Holdman is the worst linebacker in the NFC East. I completely agree. Henry pushed him over numerous times (we're talking about a back that is five feet eight in cleats) including on that all important touchdown run. Why do we draft a linebacker that we think is the complete, three down answer Lavar never could be, if he's going to be relegated to special teams because Williams hates to play rookies?

Can anyone give me something positive about the Redskins current situation? With all the draft picks gone and the defense in serious decline, how does this get better?

Posted by: ImissArtMonk | October 16, 2006 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Q: Who is the safety that got burnt on like the second play of the super bowl, who the Redskins signed the next offseason to a big contract and was labeled their savior at safety.

A: Stanley Richard

Good times. Although I was depressed after the game yesterday, reading this blog makes me feel better for some reason. Tray Vincent is past his prime, but he was a good player and defintely can cover better than Kenny Wright. I missed the start of the game, why was Wright chosen to suit-up ahead of Rumph. I mean, neither are Deon Sanders, but Rumph has at least made a play or two this year.

Posted by: Redskins trivia | October 16, 2006 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm stuck with this Groundhog Day-esque loop in my head of the locker room scene from the Natural.
"Losing is a disease...
..as contagious as polio.
Losing is a disease...
..as contagious as syphilis
Losing is a disease...
..as contagious as bubonic plague...
... attacking one...
... but infecting all.
But curable.
Now, I want you to imagine...
...you are on a ship at sea...
...on a vast...
...gently rocking.
Gently rocking.
Gently rocking.
Gently rocking."

Which is just how I wind up after too many Skins games these last few years. In a darkened room, gently rocking, empty bottle of gin by my side. Yet somehow as the week goes on, Hope rears it's treacherous head again, and by gametime I'm full of irrational exuberance and beer. Even as I spend this gloomy Monday staring dully at my monitor through red, puffy eyelids, blearily answering jabs from over the cube wall with a tongue thickened by the taste of bile, I know that by kickoff I'll be in full voice again, infused with a Snyder given sense of invincibility and entitlement. And I know you'll be there with me, one Redskins nation, under Gibbs, with screen passes and draw plays for all. Brothers and sisters in arms, swathed in burgandy and gold tribute our gridiron avatars, spirits soaring with each snap of the ball, only to once again plummet back to earth like Icarus as our last chance pass flutters ignominiously to the ground. So until next week, please pass me the kool-aid. And an aspirin.

Posted by: Homer | October 16, 2006 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Here's your silver lining, Imissartmonk: Only 30 or so more years of Snyder! Yeah!

Posted by: JPeso | October 16, 2006 2:15 PM | Report abuse

>> "Anybody else feel like they are dating an expensive rich b*tch who is just abusing you emotionally but you keep coming back for more?"

Dude, you have no idea.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 16, 2006 2:15 PM | Report abuse

When does the Borat movie come out again? I need something to look forward to....

Funny line above about Vinny sending a 5th rounder just for us to look at Vincent. It might be true IF we have a 5th round pick left to give away.

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | October 16, 2006 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Well, too late to worry about that 5th rounder now. I guess Vincent is signed...

Does anyone know the terms of the deal?

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | October 16, 2006 2:18 PM | Report abuse

At least, after the game yesterday, Gibbs doesn't sit in the press conference and say that "we just need to coach 'em up" and "toss the ball around a little more."

...in some sense, it could be worse.

Posted by: On the bright side... | October 16, 2006 2:18 PM | Report abuse

"Man what did we do before you showed up in this blog. I mean past success doesn't ensure future success? MINDBLOWING we had no idea. Thank god for you...."

LOL@ skinz!!!!!!!! thanks for cheering me up dude!
that was toooooooooo good! LOL!! pencilin!!! HHAAAHAAAAA HAAAAAAAAA!!! you're crazy!

so we got vincent huh? well buffalo just traded for a DE of the rams...hmmmmmm interesting...they release vincent and sign a DE...ohh well...

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

Do us all a huge favor and ask Gibbs or Saunders the following:

Why does Brunell keep forcing the ball to Moss, or throwing dump offs, when Lloyd and Randle-El are CONSISTENTLY WIDE OPEN?

Is it because Mark doesn't see the field well anymore? Or because he just lacks the confidence in his ability to throw the intermediate routes?


Posted by: Kyle | October 16, 2006 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Deadskin,

It's over. They are not good enough. It's time to see what Campbell can do.

Posted by: Stro | October 16, 2006 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Kyle, PREACH IT Brother.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 16, 2006 2:29 PM | Report abuse

One problem with Brunell is that he takes a huge drop when he is gonig back for a pass. This makes it tougher for the ends on the line to block the pass rush. It takes Brunell right out of the pocket and also gives him a longer distance to throw the ball. Which with his arm strength is not to good.

Posted by: dc | October 16, 2006 2:34 PM | Report abuse

woohoo! Vincent and Brunell can swap stories about the days before electicity and fancy motorcoachess taking you to the games.

Posted by: pjhalifax | October 16, 2006 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Yep, dc. Brunell drops so far back I feel like I'm watching someone play Tecmo Bowl. Except instead of dropping 30 yards and throwing a bomb, Brunell drops back 30 and throws a screen pass.

Posted by: Kyle | October 16, 2006 2:37 PM | Report abuse

How come we always sign ppl when they are left for dead by their previous teams?

Why do we trade up for ppl who nobody wanted to pick in that high in first place like Campbell and McIntosh?

Why do you think that Denver repeatedly executes trades with the Redskins? Is it because they received the better part of the transaction every time?

Our front office is full of idiots. Gibbs never was able to evaluate talent before, and now he has final say. It's a sad situation

Posted by: reality check | October 16, 2006 2:40 PM | Report abuse

hey.. maybe they'll win next week at Indy and everyone will fall in love with Brunnel again? :D

Posted by: su padre | October 16, 2006 2:44 PM | Report abuse

P
Helen of Troy! Classic bra. I thought there was nothing to laugh about today. Yet, you prove me wrong. Damn I love this blog. LMAO

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2006 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone getting any work done today?? I mean it takes all damn day to read through all these post.....

BTW - I believe Vincent will be in a packages that involve the nickel back. I think he would be able enough to play that position?

Posted by: 4th Floor | October 16, 2006 2:46 PM | Report abuse

What feels worse, playing guys who nobody else wanted: Carter, Archuleta, Rumph, Wright, and Holdman, or not having enough draft picks, or other sensible options to got to?

Posted by: Kevin K | October 16, 2006 2:47 PM | Report abuse

4th, no work. none at all.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 16, 2006 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Kyle and pj funny stuff. Thanks for the laugh. Reading this stuff makes me feel better. Misery truly does love company.

Posted by: Skinz | October 16, 2006 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I never get any work done.

In fact, today I'm watching "The Adam Archuleta Workout" on DVD. That dude is insane. Wish he could cover somebody, though. Maybe he ought to create a "Cover the guy running past me" drill.

BTW, it appears the 'Skins have killed Megskin. Only one post today.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 16, 2006 2:54 PM | Report abuse

In a small dark damp space in the back of my mind I believe the redskins are the greatest team in the NFL, and there is hope. Then with out warning the other 99.99% of my mind laughs at those thoughts reminding myself I was thinking of the 91' season. These thoughts are from a concussion I had back then that keeps hope constantly alive. Then I read from some posters on here who obviously had a similiar concussion and truly believe we can beat Indy at Indy coming of a bye and criticism that their offense isnt what it was last year.

We played the Giants at home after a bye with people criticizing their defense. They hurt us, physically and mentally. I truly thought we would roll over tennessee. I now have to question, was that my 91' concussion talking again or my present day mind? I know that my present day mind feels that we are in for a real whoopin next Sun. Leaving us at 2-5 going into the bye week. If this is the case, we will be one loss away from our total last year. And I feel like running my head through a brick wall in hpes that I will live out the rest of this season in a true state of dimentia. When I am in that wonderful place I will post how our season is going and let all of the Redskins faithful know without a doubt we will win the SuperBowl!!!

Hail Mark Rypien!!!! Hail the Skins!!!

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 16, 2006 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Troy Vincent is 35 years old. That is hardly the help we need in the secondary. Too little too late is a complete understatement.

The old guy to sign that would actually help this team is Landetta--Why the F is Frost still collecting an NFL paycheck. It is a disgrace.

In a close game how does Portis only have 50 some yards rushing. Feed him the ball, he is clearly the best player on the team.

PLAY CAMPBELL NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If this year is lost let's at least get ready for 2007.

Posted by: PSUAsh | October 16, 2006 3:01 PM | Report abuse

it appears the 'Skins have killed Megskin. Only one post today.

Meh.

Posted by: Megskin | October 16, 2006 3:02 PM | Report abuse

During the 49ers/Chargers game yesterday CBS ran a quick in between plays spot on Norv Turner and what a great influence on young QBs he is. They were trying to use past examples of young QBs to illustrate how Alex Smith is "destined" to become a standout QB in the NFL.

What names were used as examples you ask?

In order: Troy Aikman, Heath Shuler, Gus Frerotte, and Drew Brees.

Whoever puts together these things for CBS either is completely out of touch with reality or has a great sense of humor. I can't figure out which.

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | October 16, 2006 3:04 PM | Report abuse

either is completely out of touch with reality or has a great sense of humor.

Or is on some serious drugs that we need to get ahold of stat!

Posted by: Megskin | October 16, 2006 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Jason----any truth to JC not able to pick up and understand the offense. There must be a reason. Please do not tell us he is as dumb as Michael Westbrook. The team is sputtering, almost lifeless. No enthusiasm, no fear of losing your job. Send a message, make a change, stir it up, piss off someone, something, anything. By the way, would it kill Gibbs to just lose his cool, and go ape on anyone within earshot, just once. If a team relects the disposition of their leader, then we look either constipated or near dispair.

Posted by: Kevin K | October 16, 2006 3:11 PM | Report abuse

It's time to abandon the all-white jerseys. It worked during our playoff run last year, but should have ended after Minn...Let's get some burgundy fire going!

Posted by: AK | October 16, 2006 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Okay, nation, this is serious. The normally eloquent, insightful Megskin is reduced to "Meh."
And...fire Joe Gibbs????
Today, I'm scared in a different way by the blog!

Posted by: Jason's editor | October 16, 2006 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Skinz: Normally, I would have laughed outloud (ArtMonkToTheSticks Notation: dudes that type 'lol' should not be able to eat lunch. Type it all you want, but no lunch for you chieftan). But today is a day of depression and remorse.

I ask all of you (except 202 because you're like Canadian currency, different and maybe valuable, just not here) the following question:

Are we being tested? Is this a test? What if it has to get so bad to see who sticks it out? Will it be that much better once we win one of these little shabingi (plural of shabingus)?

Also, notation about my whipping boy, Archu-deetoo. I read an ESPN the Mag article about him when he first came into the league. Phenomenal workout warrior and so forth. Did you know the dude refuses to do ANY agility drills? Like 0. He has the new age trainer guy and he only deadlifts stuff. Weird for a guy that needs quickness huh? I know everyone is tired of me saying this but that will go down as the worst signing since The Wizards introduced 'center of the future' Ike Austin. Yeah, I brought up the Wizards. That is how weird it is right now.

I'm on the Wizards blog too with a different name and everything. But now that the Redkins have chanted 'nivum-Shiva' and the dude from Temple of Doom has stopped by my place in Glover Park to take my heart out of chest and hold my still beating organ aloft as hundreds of pigmies shoot blow darts at it as they dance to the fight song that the eagles made up in 1992, I'm feeling a bit empty and strange.

2-5 going into the bye week dudes and Megskin. It is a very real possibility. I just ate my own eyebrows.
Last note: I went to a meeting this morning. I am the lowest dude on the pole by a lot. I am staring into space just distraught with my thoughts of wholdman.edu and acarter.org just getting abused, and one of my superiors snaps me back to reality by repeating a question. Everyone is staring at me. I did not hear the question but I go: 'Let me check'. I get up and leave the room and do not return. That is what the Redskins have done to me this year.

Out.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | October 16, 2006 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I look through the college stats periodically and I consistently see punters who average 45 yards or more per punt. Some of these guys had to graduate last year, right?? I don't think punting in the NFL is too much different than punting in college, correct me if I'm wrong.

Wow, has it really gotten this bad that the best we can do is hope for a punter who can get it out there 10-20 yards further. This is bad... really... really bad.

Posted by: Max | October 16, 2006 3:17 PM | Report abuse

last year i heard somewhere that the o-line (during gibbs I) let LT get to theisman just so gibbs would bench him...and LT ended up breaking theisman's leg...and the rest is history.

of course they were joking but i wonder if this o-line would say the same thing 20 years from now.

this week's gonna go soooooooo soooooo sooooooo sloooooooooooooooow

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Stay the course. Where have I heard that phrase? Next two years gonna be 'baaaaad'.Go skins '09

Posted by: dim | October 16, 2006 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I've got a great idea!!

Bench Carlos Rogers, A. Jimoh and Kenny Wright. And start Santana Moss and Antwan Randel El as corners. They are faster and I bet they cover better.

Is Darrell Green still available?

REDSKINS, WHY DO YOU BREAK MY HEART!?!

Posted by: John From Herndon | October 16, 2006 3:26 PM | Report abuse

The Genius dubs Vincent the prize
To enlighten his defense's eyes!
But if the Colts do a roasting
On a pass D. Milquetoasting,
Can Gregg Williams still claim the surprise?

Posted by: HaikuMan/LimerickMan | October 16, 2006 3:32 PM | Report abuse

You think we could sign/bring in some of those guys from MTV's hit show "Two-a-Days"? Max, Alex and Repete could help out the team right about now. Hoover High School rocks.

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum | October 16, 2006 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone sign the Steriods/HGH punter from Denver yet (Saurbraun (sp?))?

Posted by: 4th Floor | October 16, 2006 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Section 126--I think you are right. I think losing PP was a huge blow to this secondary. I think he was a pretty good cover safety, as strange as that is to say/write. Losing springs AND our nickel back was a bigger loss than many, myself included, bargained for at first. Maybe all the criticism being directed towards Grilliams is somewhat unwarranted. At least his D has held opponents to low enough totals that we have had a chance in every game. Without Griffin we have never been able to stop the run and our corners, since springs went down, have been horrendous--that's a tough formula to work with as a D-co. Imagine if you knew going into this year that WRight and Rogers would be the corners with Rumph as the nickel back....would expectations really have been so high??? Our secondary is just bad.

Posted by: WrongDog | October 16, 2006 3:36 PM | Report abuse

This loss definitely sucks.. but it's all that much worse when I see John from Herdon's heart being broken.

Should we get shirts that say, "REDSKINS, WHY DO YOU BREAK JOHN FROM HERDON'S HEART?" and wear them around town and the Dallas game?

Posted by: QFB | October 16, 2006 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey JC can you get word to Andre Carter that a groundskeeper found his jock left on the on the field last night while he was cleaning up...

Posted by: Lost and Found | October 16, 2006 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Here comes your savior!!!!

Troy Vincent is in the house. Hell as an Eagle he was a killer...but then again so was Trotter!

Posted by: Sec 126 | October 16, 2006 3:44 PM | Report abuse

My T-shirt today reads.

I went to the Redskins game and all i got was this headache and a sun burn.

AMD2DSticks,

"I ask all of you (except 202 because you're like Canadian currency, different and maybe valuable, just not here) the following question:"

Hilarious where do you come up with this stuff?

Haiku, you get todays prize. Anyone who can incorporate Milquetoast into a redskins poem wins. Hands down.

Posted by: Skinz | October 16, 2006 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Is it worth watching Gibbs Presser (Countdown - One hour)??

I have ben refreshing this page all day and have been waiting until 4:45 to take my lunch break so I can watch it at my desk w/o my boss pressing me up.

Posted by: 4th Floor | October 16, 2006 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Skinz: I am a professional comedian. No joke (which is ironic).

I love you all like a younger brother loves his older brother who is great at sports in a small town and he gets attention becuase his brother is so great but deep down feels inadequate so he acts out to get attention from his parents and turns to ice-dancing.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | October 16, 2006 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Troy Vincent is coming in for 1 of 2 reasons. 1)His name is recognizable, which translates into interest, which translates in to money for Danny. 2)Mark Brunnell needs someone else on the team to understand his A-Team and Miami Vice references.
For as much as Snyder wanted to be Jerry Jones, he has turned out to be more like Al Davis with his team management skills. I wonder how long until people are asking the question "What is more likely, the Cardinals going 16-0 or the Redskins going 0-16?" Might be next year?
For the long time Redskins fans- Please don't think that Gibbs has any decision making power. Snyder brought in Saunders for some razzle dazzle. Bringing in Gibbs was just another of Danny over-priced off-season aquisitions to keep interest in the Skins and keep butts in the seats. Think back to the season before Gibbs came back??? How many of you were ready to throw in the towel on the Snyder Skins??? And then, as if a light from heaven GIBBS IS COMING BACK! Merchandise started selling again. The ticket waiting list went from 5 months back to 10 years. Danny got richer. We got suckered again.

Posted by: Realist | October 16, 2006 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Remember the old days (like a few weeks ago) in the blog when we used to celebrate going over the 100 mark in responses? Well we are three for the last three, congratulations to all!

We should start a pool on the date we think we will hit 200 responses to a single post.

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | October 16, 2006 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that even though the defense isn't blitzing nearly as much as in the past two years, receivers still end up in single coverage with our DBs?

Posted by: ImissArtMonk | October 16, 2006 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I KNOW WHAT TO DO!!! Really, I do!!

I'm gonna wash that ancient "Kilmer's jersey I wear every game. THAT small 'lil act will change our luck!!

I know it will work. I KNOW WHAT TO DO!!

Who's with me? .....

Posted by: X.Hog | October 16, 2006 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Can't wait until this season is over so we can get to the best part of the year for the skins: Free Agency. We are the superbowl champions of free agency. Maybe Gibbs, gwilliams and snyder should reconsider the strategy to pick up players through free agency rather than the draft. Most of the time you get underacheiving, old and/or injury prone players. That's why they are in free agency in the first place.

Posted by: Max | October 16, 2006 3:59 PM | Report abuse

AMTTSticks, just wet myelf bro. The Temple of Doom had me rolling, but boltin'from the room. Just did it again.

Posted by: coolio | October 16, 2006 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I think I saw Troy Vincent recently in a Scooter Store commercial. Can you ride a scooter around in the defensive backfield if you sign a waiver or something?

Posted by: pjhalifax | October 16, 2006 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I got it. I don't think we have enough coaches. We need to hire some more coaches right away. 1 coach for every player!!

Posted by: Max | October 16, 2006 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I am totally with you, Haji Shank! Only, adding up the responses to Jason's two posts for the day, we're already at 233!!! I won't be happy until we bust the blogging machine, as Mr. Tony would call it. Why set a figure? Of course, some of you will be unemployed, but you can't really put a value on having a quest.

Posted by: Jason's editor | October 16, 2006 4:12 PM | Report abuse

We need more running backs. Maybe we should try the Wishbone.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 16, 2006 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Vincent? We can't sign Vincent. We trade for players! That's how we do it. We still have all these 2008 draft picks to give up. We're going and signing people without trading picks? This is an outrage!

Posted by: John in Bluemont | October 16, 2006 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Can we start a poll on Troy Vincent's terms? I'm guessing he's now the highest paid DB in the league. Say....6 yrs/$40 million?

Jason, can you find out? Am I close?

Posted by: CHOB | October 16, 2006 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I'm getting carried away. The pain is unbearable. This just in, the redskins claim to be practicing, but they are actually taking Danny's plane down to the bahamas to bask in the sun, throw back a few pina coladas and spend all of that nice green paper Danny gives them. That's why they keep the reporters locked up in a small room. Then they send Gibbs out every now and then to tell them that the players are fightin' their guts out. It's all a cover :)

Posted by: Max | October 16, 2006 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Sharing is caring Bro-seph.

FYI to all: my boss and I just had one of those 'awkward talks' where he dances around the issue and 'just wanted to check the gages to see how i'm running'. I swallowed several grams of my lunch v 2.0 that came back up for a 'stop by'.

Again, this is not healthy and I need to be supervised. If the Redskins get me fired...I should get to work for the team. JLC could you write a note on my behalf:

"To whom it may concernicus:

My dog AMTTS, loves the Redskins. He loves them so much that when they lost to Nashvegas, he called his boss: "MC Shabingus". This doesn't make any sense and so, he was dismissed.

Can you hook him up? He can translate the press conferences...

JLC Reppin' WPNI to the death.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | October 16, 2006 4:19 PM | Report abuse

It appears the 'Skins cut Curry Burns to make room for Troy Vincent.

Mr. Burns, we hardly knew ye. Release the hounds!

Posted by: P Diddy | October 16, 2006 4:20 PM | Report abuse

It's too bad President Bush isn't in charge of the 'Skins. Even as everything implodes around him, he would at least ensure we were entertained by another Chris Cooley/Redskins Cheerleader controversy.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 16, 2006 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, I'm doing my best to get us to 7,000 posts. Don't make me break out the showtunes.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 16, 2006 4:22 PM | Report abuse

why wait for gibbs presser? you know what he's going to say! all the commentors have said it on this blog.

now, can i ask a question? and i hope you guys don't find it blasphamous(sp)...

if the skins beat the colts (an UNDEFEATED TEAM but definitely a flawed team) will it be good for this team in the long run? for us?

i know we're all going to be rooting for this team (no matter who the qb) but i rember the 10-6 year of NORV and how excited we were. but in the long term it probly shouldn't have been for our sake.

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 4:25 PM | Report abuse

While jason is locked in a room at fedex field waiting for Gibbs to come out and tell him that the team fought their guts out yesterda, the rest of the team and coaches are taking Snyder's plane down to the bahamas to bask in the sun, throw back some pina coladas and spend some of that green paper Danny likes to throw at them. Don't let these players fool you with those sad faces. They are loving it here. All you have to do is fight your guts out, lose to bad teams, and collect your 60 million dollars.

Posted by: Max | October 16, 2006 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Curry Montgomery Burns to Team Attendant:

"Am I too late for the 4:30 Auto-Gyro?"

Team Attendant: "..........."

Curry Montgomery Burns to escort on the way to the hotel:

"Smithers, land the plane."

Escort: "Mr Burns, you're flying the plane."

Curry Montgomery Burns: "Eeggggggssssseellent"

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | October 16, 2006 4:27 PM | Report abuse

dealer

Hell no it wouldn't be good for the team! It would mean Coach Joe would push Brunell even more.

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2006 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Diddy, we can always count on you. But the whole Marv Albert thing (best NY Post headline of that story arc: "The Kink and I") ruined show tunes for me and they weren't real high on my list to begin with.
Back to fubbawl...as you know, I felt the Skins could lose to Tennessee and beat Indy. I'm not so sure about the latter now. Gotta think about that.

Posted by: Jason's editor | October 16, 2006 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Someone get the Gov. I'm afraid AM is losing it.


It's understandable.

"Once proud champions, now a lesson in moppishness."

Posted by: Skinz | October 16, 2006 4:31 PM | Report abuse

editor, if the colts win i will "bang the monkey" (not a fan ya'll!) to get you your own blog! :)

errybody with me?

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Let's just tape record joe Gibbs press conference this week and replay every week for the rest of the year. Honestly, if I were Gibbs and I had to come out there week in and week out and diplomatically say "we suck" and "I'm responsible," There would be heads rollin' in the locker room! It's time to start throwing stuff Joe!

Posted by: Max | October 16, 2006 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Max, that is the truth. And the players should be humiliated that Gibbs has to go out there and take the blame and talk all that nonsense on their behalf.

Side note: did anyone see Lamont Jordan on the sideline after his fumble last night? Talk about a dude that hates losing -- you could tell it was killing him. I wonder how many Redskins have that kind of intensity.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 16, 2006 4:41 PM | Report abuse

220, i think you and all of us who're crying for brunell's head knows that it's not all brunell's fault. i hope people who're defending brunell know that.

we DEMAND a sacrifice from st. Joe. this game NEEDS a sacrifice. if he means what he says then he has to do this deed! i know it'll hurt him but the skinsfans are demanding this from him.

yes, he was right about ramsey and so was spurrier. it was cerrato and snyder who pushed ramsey down spurrier's throat. let's move on. please. coach, we won't hold anything against you. you're a HOF coach and you'll always be one. do it for us coach....hire a gm! start calling the falcon's GM, start tempering with him, everyone does it! pay him 50 mil a year get him here! that's all we ask!

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Ok, folks....here's his official website:

http://www.troyvincent.com/

I'm going to keep my opinions to myself, but make sure to click on the "Troy Illustrated" picture on the left so you can read on the "Troy Berry" that "his children refer to him simply as Daddy"

Hmmmmm, not sure what to make of this. What do you guys/ladies think?

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | October 16, 2006 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Back from work. Updated NFC East QB stats through Week 6:

yards per completion
McNabb: 15.1
Bledsoe: 12.6
Brunell: 11.8
Manning: 11.5

TD's
McNabb: 13
Manning: 11 (through 5)
Bledsoe: 7 (through 5)
Brunell: 5

INT's
McNabb: 2
Brunell: 3
Manning: 7 (through 5)
Bledsoe: 7 (through 5)

Rushing:
McNabb: 15/115
Bledsoe: 12/87 (through 5)
Manning: 11/79 (through 5)
Brunell: 9/68

Completion %
Manning: 65.3
Brunell: 62.1
McNabb: 58.7
Bledsoe: 52.9

Passer Rating:
McNabb: 104.8
Manning: 92.3 (through 5)
Brunell: 86.9
Bledsoe: 70.4 (through 5)

Actually, Brunell doesn't look quite as bad as we would make him out to be. But I guess the real thing to be thankful for is that we don't have Bledsoe under center.

Nevertheless, if he isn't going to lead us to the Super Bowl this year, then what's the point?

Art Monk to the Sticks - don't lose your job. Your job is your credit. Remember that.

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | October 16, 2006 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Skinz: The Gov is off the reservation right at this time. He told me that he can't post until after the bye week because he is so hurt right now. He is also married...I'm not judging that, just saying it can be hard on dude when she pushes the button on the remote and that little buzzer that got implanted in his cerrabellum starts sending those electronic impulses to get up from the couch and take the volkswagon down to Restoration Hardware to exchange a few things...

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | October 16, 2006 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Dealer

You are right I not it's all Brunell fault. But hell if he is not going to be the starter next year. (let's pray that he is not) It's hard at this point to say he is getting us to the SB this year. Let's take the bumps for the remainer of this year and have hope next year. Then to continue with Brunell and not get anywhere and have to throw out next year as JC get real game time.

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2006 4:49 PM | Report abuse

shhhhhhh gibbs is speaking

"great core group of guys"

"up here"

"great effort"

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 4:51 PM | Report abuse

All consuming blog
Takes forever just to read
Like Saunders' playbook

Posted by: MV Dame | October 16, 2006 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Realist, I'm with you. The only thought I had about the Spurrier year (was it more than one?) was how great it would be if we could just fire $nyder. I'm from Cleveland. We had Art Modell. Someone in an earlier post praised Modell's wisdom. I just thought about whether $nyder might just pack up the whole show and move it to L.A. where he can REALLY focus his media empire-building. The Sports Merchanding Complex has nothing on the Defense Military Complex, esp. with $nyder at the wheel.

Someone responded to my fan loyalty post by defending (and admitting to) their booing of the Skins on Sunday because they paid for it and thus deserved the right to boo "their" team. Their evidence of ownership was about how much money they spend on the merchandise, including the jerseys. Does it occur to anybody that, right after they bought the LaVar jersey (or Pierce, or Smoot, or Stephen Davis, etc.), they get cut ... and its time to buy a new jersey? We feed this beast. $nyder is a pioneer in sucking out dimes ... $25 to park at the "free" preseason practice sessions.

With that off-loaded, and aside from the Gibbs hiring being to focus attention away from the Owner (whose image was hurting the brand, and thus revenues), I do think the Gibbs still knows how to and desperately wants to win football games. He knows about money and merchandising too (hell, he has his own NASCAR syndicate), but I refuse to believe that he would risk his HoF glory if he didn't think he could get back the rush of winning football games.

Jason question (and this one is also for all those amateur GMs who post here): If Vincent's contract is for 6 years, that would mean he would be 41 by the end of the contract. Nobody can be serious about that. Is that length of contract just for salary cap management purposes when he is done playing? How does that work?

Posted by: dcsween | October 16, 2006 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Actually, that rushing stat is wrong. I misread it. It's actually:

Sacks/Yards lost
McNabb: 15/115
Bledsoe: 12/87 (through 5)
Manning: 11/79 (through 5)
Brunell: 9/68

Brunell wins that category.

Rushing:
McNabb: 17/87
Bledsoe: 7/27 (through 5)
Brunell: 9/25
Manning: 5/6 (through 5)

Bledsoe's outrushing Brunell...with one fewer game played...ouch!!

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | October 16, 2006 4:57 PM | Report abuse


he's comparing this year to his first year 2004
not getting TO's

blaming the defense (not being able to stop the rushing )

"we're all in this together..." not what you just said...but since you're st. joe...we believe you.

"we had a good practice last week"

"hard work...hard work..."

"i feel bad obviously for our fans"

"yesterday, we couldn't make enough plays"

"very very bright sharp guy...super bright" talking about Vincent

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Troy has always been a smart, decent guy to deal with on NFLPA matters. With five kids, though, no wonder he owns a spa! Maybe he can give the Skins gift certificates. Maybe they just need to relax a little. Kick back, have a seaweed wrap. I think Tennessee took care of exfoliating them.

Posted by: Jason's editor | October 16, 2006 4:59 PM | Report abuse

jason campbell question:

"i understand the frustration of the fans"

totally ignored the question...

"someday he's going to be the future here"

OOPS!!! inn that the kiss of death!

JASON, is that you asking the campbell questions? if so go boy!

he brings up the record that #8 broke against the texans...
dang it!!!

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Dealer

Is that what he really said about Campbell? Please! Please !!! Please! Tell me that is not what he said.

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2006 5:03 PM | Report abuse


Skinz: Thanks for the props. I'll have to admit that's my own personal favorite haiku so far...

Art: Actually, I think the best Snyder a la Monty Burns quote would be:

"Troy Vincent? Excellent....another body for my growing Army of the Undead...-evil laugh-"

Posted by: HaikuMan | October 16, 2006 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Dude, you can blame whatever you want on Snyder and call him names or whatever. I don't care. But the guy loves the Washington Redskins. Give him that. There are a lot of owners that would be enticed by a move to L.A. but Snyder is not one of them.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 16, 2006 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I could really use a massage right now. I'm carrying a lot of stress in my shoulders and lower back. I would love to blame my out of whack work-life balance, but my posts on this blog pretty much blow that theory out of the water.

So, I'll just come out and admit it. I'm still not recovered from drinking heavily on Friday night with those over-starched, pinstriped lawyer-types in DC. The ol' liver isn't as effective as it used to be. It continues to give an inconsistent performance. I feel like my fans deserve more. Up here, anyone can out-drink anyone. But I'm simply not drinking well right now. If it were just my liver, I would replace it. But it's a team effort. It's all of us: my liver, my heart, my head. We just have to find a way to pull out of it.

Pray for me.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 16, 2006 5:05 PM | Report abuse

everything in quotes is what he said....the rest is "comment"ary

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Dealer. Man it just made me sick to my stomach again.

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2006 5:08 PM | Report abuse

is that mike wise out there?

asking how losing is taking its toll on gibbs...

basically i'm fine. "...there's a reason why this happens may be to change my MO...change the offense"
he's talking about when things have gone bad...he ususally looks bad and thinks that it was probly for a good reason....

there WILL be changes in the OFFENSE...that's what i got from what he just said....someone followed up and he re-iterated that...

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Anybody out there wanna share a liver with Diddy? Or give a heart to the team? (Every single day, this blog finds a new dimension of indispensibility.)

Posted by: Jason's editor | October 16, 2006 5:10 PM | Report abuse

and he said "you will notice it..." about the changes

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Listening to CP on 980. He sounds upset about how things are going. "why am I giving up my off season for this"

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2006 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Go Kelly Johnson!

Gibbs again sidesteps another QB change question ('Maybe in a couple of weeks'?)....

Posted by: 4th Floor | October 16, 2006 5:14 PM | Report abuse

4th floor did he say in a couple of weeks? That would be after the bye. I can see some light. lol

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2006 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I'd share my liver with Diddy - unfortunately, I tolerate alcohol about as well as any other glass of water, so it might not be helpful, if he insists on going on the binge again.

And yes - those Gibbisms are starting to make me a bit annoyed too. As to his purported change to the offense, it'll probably be something on the order of changing the cheese in the cafeteria from cheddar to Stilton, so that the smell of the player flatuence will be more potent.....

Posted by: FlimFlam | October 16, 2006 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Gibbsy getting a little testy.....

Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2006 5:16 PM | Report abuse

hey gibbs just said that "...i have an open door...anyone up here can come and talk to me..."

he denies brunell change...imminent...(refering to the quotes above)

qb change question again...

well, he isn't barking at the her...(the comcast lady, very very very very what's the word...where's meg's thesaurus when you need it!!!....i need ginko!....

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Keely asked what about in a couple of weeks......

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Posted by: 4th Floor | October 16, 2006 5:18 PM | Report abuse

competent!!!! unlike that espn woman...(sorry, i don't just mean to compare her to just another woman) but she deserves a national job she's really good at what she does (male or female comparitively)....

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I love CP as much as anyone else, but I still don't understand why you trade a shut-down corner for an RB.

The 'Skins are getting torched in the secondary and don't run anyway.

Posted by: disappointed | October 16, 2006 5:19 PM | Report abuse

4th floor you sending me back to the dark side.

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2006 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I believe they traded Bailey because Champ refused to play for Snyder again. I remember there was a contract or other dispute involved there.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 16, 2006 5:20 PM | Report abuse

CP just said the Titians were talking big smack yesterday. Said some unknown player called him out and said he was sorry.

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2006 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Champ wanted more $$ than Lavar, but at the time that was Snyder's main man and he wasn't gonna give him Lavar-type $$$.

Posted by: 4th Floor | October 16, 2006 5:24 PM | Report abuse

anyways...it's over. don't know what to make of it. other than he's willing to make changes.

yes, yes, go Kelly johnson!!! you go girl!!! :)

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Diddy can have my spare liver once it's done charging (it's plugged in now). I needed it last week in London -- the two pint lunches followed by two pints before dinner followed by mixed drinks late at night were a killer.

Glad to hear Troy Vincent is a decent guy. From what I understand, Duckett is too -- hopefully TV will get more PT than TJ.

I wonder if we can get weekly updates on the Troy Berry.

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | October 16, 2006 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Awww. I hope CP's feelings weren't hurt.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 16, 2006 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Ok, let's trade CP and rebuild.

Posted by: disappointed | October 16, 2006 5:27 PM | Report abuse

P he came strong. He said the player knew he didn't want to see him on or off the field. And if he could have gotten to him he would have found out. He said but what can you say we you are losing. He said no team in the NFL respect them right now.

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2006 5:27 PM | Report abuse

yeah, so gibbs just said that he has an open door policy...

so guys, wanna go to ashburn someday to pay him a visit?

instead of a pubcrawl i think this'd be more appropriate. "skinsparkdisgruntledfans crawl"

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 5:29 PM | Report abuse

disappointed take a step back. Trade CP? I am just as upset as you my friend. But that is just going a little too far. CP has been very productive since he came to Washington. That's one trade that has paid off.

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2006 5:30 PM | Report abuse

No kidding. Give the ball to 2-6. That's the only play I'd call.

Similar vein: why is it that every coach in the League calls a draw on 2nd and long?

Posted by: P Diddy | October 16, 2006 5:32 PM | Report abuse

What other quality players do we have to get high draft picks? CP is our only road back to respectability in the league.

The 'Skins are the laughing stock of the NFL. Players only come here for a paycheck.

Posted by: disappointed | October 16, 2006 5:34 PM | Report abuse

dealer,

Last I checked, Ashburn is in the middle of nowhere in some suburb. I don't do suburbs and will stick to the pub crawl. As a matter of fact, I couldn't tell if my shortness of breath, itchy skin, and sore throat was an allergic reaction to the Maryland suburbs or to the 'Skins performance.

Regardless, I would love you guys to go to Ashburn and protest, though. That would make for some great copy. Almost as funny as those silly people who walked out of an Orioles game.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 16, 2006 5:36 PM | Report abuse

isn't what 980 doing illegal?

they're re-airing presser with coach T and doc reading the questions asked by other reporters...?

good idea but no legal issues? my brain's fried again...sorry...

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 5:36 PM | Report abuse

diddy, baby...c'mon why you be dissin A to the SHHH to the Burn?

c'mon i'll pay your $3.50 toll!

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 5:39 PM | Report abuse

If Champ Bailey ends up as defensive player of the year, I still wouldn't complain about that trade.

Clinton Portis has been the lone bright spot in an otherwise dismal season.

Posted by: Rain Man | October 16, 2006 5:39 PM | Report abuse

>>> "What other quality players do we have to get high draft picks?"

I bet we could get someone to swap first round picks with us for Duckett. Wasn't it PT Barnum who said "No one has ever gone broke underestimating the stupidity of NFL general managers"?

You could always trade Moss.

Or Archuleta.

Just don't trade Cooley or I'll stop watching games altogether.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 16, 2006 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Is Rogers playing in Indy?

Posted by: disappointed | October 16, 2006 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Sit Holdman and Brunell next to each other on the bench and start McIntosh and Campbell. There is no upside to keeping aging non-performers. Brunell's stats are not bad, but they are skewed by the 2 wins, when HE is the primary culprit in every game, with the exception of Dallas. Think of the 4, 4th qtr posessions that ended with him either throwing the slant in into the ground, throwing the sq outs OB to Moss and Lloyd, and the INT. He also missed Cooley and Moss deep for TDs. Anyone can play us with 9 in the box to stop the run and cover the screens. Without a deep game because the QB seldom even looks deep, we are predictable and easy to stop.

The formula to beat the D is to run left where Carter is overmatched and Holdman, Archeletta, and Rogers cannot tackle or cover.

I don't know what practices are like this time around with Joe, but in the JG 1 era, practices were very physical and intense. I just don't see it translated on the field anymore.

Posted by: Skinslaw | October 16, 2006 5:42 PM | Report abuse

dis, yes he is. #22 will be there to catch his first interception of the year.

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 5:43 PM | Report abuse

lol, dealer.

The ball will bounce off of #22's cast (broken thumb).

Posted by: disappointed | October 16, 2006 5:45 PM | Report abuse


Saw Kelly Johnson
At Redskins Park in August.
White plants made me swoon.

Posted by: HaikuMan | October 16, 2006 5:52 PM | Report abuse

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

i love stupid typos!


hahahahahahahahahaha

ill laugh about that one forEVER.

Posted by: HaikuMan | October 16, 2006 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Is it possible the players are overworked each week in practices leading up to games? It seems like we can't play 4 quarters anymore which would suggest fatigue.

Posted by: Max | October 16, 2006 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I never thought I'd spend my whole day on a blog.....

Posted by: 4th Floor | October 16, 2006 5:54 PM | Report abuse

4th Floor,

We have certainly stooped low, haven't we? I feel like my life has no purpose. No Cooley's Hair. No Playoff Berth in sight. No listing in Peter King's Fine Fifteen.

Maybe I should go outside and get some fresh air.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 16, 2006 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm...Kelli Johnson: http://midatlantic.comcastsportsnet.com/talent.asp

A small bean sprout of Blog Love has formed in my heart.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 16, 2006 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I say bench all corners and start Randle El and Santana Moss as corners. Both are faster and I bet cover better.

Bench Holdman and let McIntosh start.

Bench Brunell and let Randle El play QB. He can be our triple threat, like triple XXX ESPN radio... QB, CB, Punter Returner, and WR...

REDSKINS, WHY DO YOU BREAK MY HEART!?!

Posted by: John From Herndon | October 16, 2006 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if "skinz" and "ArtMonkToTheSticks" are done licking each other's balls

Posted by: Skins Fan 202 | October 16, 2006 6:08 PM | Report abuse


P Diddy -- you just slayed me with the bean sprout line. well done....

Posted by: HaikuMan | October 16, 2006 6:11 PM | Report abuse

"Skinz: I am a professional comedian. No joke (which is ironic)."

If u were really a comic, or any good at it, u wouldnt have had to throw in the "which is ironic" comment. the lame attempt at irony was pretty obvious to begin with, so either u suck, or u think everyone on this board isn't smart enough to figure out something so simple and trite.

"I love you all like a younger brother loves his older brother who is great at sports in a small town and he gets attention becuase his brother is so great but deep down feels inadequate so he acts out to get attention from his parents and turns to ice-dancing."

How long did you work on that one for, Seinfeld? Matter of fact I think ive seen you on Last Comic Standing. You must be making millions with that kind of material. Has Upright Citizens Brigade called yet?

Posted by: Skins Fan 202 | October 16, 2006 6:19 PM | Report abuse

202: why the hate, man? Let's be grown-ups here.

Besides, if you set that joke to a halfway respectable Toto song, you could see him perform for Capitol Steps on a Sunday night.

Everyone's gotta get their start somewhere.

Me, I got my start at the old Roy Rogers on New Hampshire Avenue in White Oak. I wrote daily missives on chalkboards, french fry containers, anything I could my hands on, really. Look at me now. Posting to WashPo blogs. I made it. Skinz can too. Every little boy deserves to dream. He deserves to dream, man.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 16, 2006 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey, remember the time you ruined the blog for the rest of us? Oh, that was just now.

Shhhhhhh big cat. It's OK. Did the other bloggers gang up on you? they're just jealous. That's right. They're all wrong and you're the one that is right.

In fact, UCB has called. Headed up there in two weeks for an audition there and at The NY Underground Comedy Theater. Whammy. Talk to you never.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | October 16, 2006 6:31 PM | Report abuse

"dcsween"

It's actually the Military Industrial Complex, not the Defense Military Complex. You're an idiot. You're from DC and you don't even know the stuff that came out of Eisenhower's mouth.

Posted by: Skins Fan 202 | October 16, 2006 6:42 PM | Report abuse

I feel like I'm in that Chappelle sketch Player Haters Ball...

"Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate...."

Hey wasn't Smoot called Silky Johnson now that I think about it?

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | October 16, 2006 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Realist,

I'm no Snyder lover but I really don't believe that he had anything to do with Saunders coming here...that seems to be Gibbs decision.

One thing I must vent about....Gibbs repeatedly stating yesterday that the "good thing" is that it was everyone....offense...defense...special teams...coaching. How could that be a "good thing"???? That means we suck everywhere!!!!

PS eveyone: There are other women on this site besides Megskin so please stop addressing the respondents as "dudes and Megskin" - makes the rest of us feel unappreciated...kinda like TO.

Posted by: Lisa | October 16, 2006 6:55 PM | Report abuse

>>> "makes the rest of us feel unappreciated...kinda like TO"

Lisa, is that a cry for help? Is there something you'd like to discuss?

Posted by: P Diddy | October 16, 2006 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Lisa you are not going to start yelling at all of like T.O. are you? Following us up and down the blog asking. Why Am I here? LMAO

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2006 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Brunell defenders you got to be kidding! I just saw that last pass (int) on ESPN pregame. 4 defenders around the wr. You cannot tell me that Campbell can't do better. At least with him you can say he is young and making a rookie mistake. No excuse for Brunell. I am really turning to the dark side now.

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2006 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Good thing I didn't start the pool on response # 200, huh? That didn't take long....

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | October 16, 2006 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, I know you are there, but if I must talk in generalities, it's duded and dudettes girl.

Be cool 202. Blog is for Redskins fans and Various BOOFERS. Let's keep the personal attacks out. Takes the fun out.

Been followin' Kellie all year on Comcast. She's really good at her interviews, seems to know her stuff and she's sweet.

Sticks u b funny too. P, 220, HMan, keep it up. Meg,long for some of that prose .

JMan, where you been?

Late.

Posted by: coolio | October 16, 2006 8:04 PM | Report abuse

No, I'm not crying for help...and I'm not going to start yelling like TO (heaven help me :)....I'm just crying and depressed about the loss of our season...keep trying to find a silver lining but I can't even find a silver....thread.....

Posted by: Lisa | October 16, 2006 8:09 PM | Report abuse

No kidding. I always felt that this season would go to hell, but I was hoping that the Cooley Hair Saga would keep my interest level high. Now, I have nothing.

Maybe I should just root for the Saints the rest of the way (except when they play the 'Skins, of course)

Posted by: P Diddy | October 16, 2006 8:22 PM | Report abuse

haiku, i saw her(kelly(sp) johnson) a couple of years ago at the park and she just comes as a really genuine person...no diva-ish/primadona qualities whatsoever...she was out there with the mike in the mud like the rest of us wearing don't know what...i really can't beleee that no one nationaly's picked her up yet...

haiku, stay off them drugs. weed's much better. so they tell me.

202???? dude! what are you on? if you don't like someone's comment(s) just ignore it. or are you really jason (of this blog)?

dis, c'mon he can catch with one hand! that thumb was just getting in his way anyway...

what if they really bench 22? and play troy instead. i was skeptical at first at the signing but this dude really just fell into their praying arms(for secondary help)...he was cut but because he wanted to be cut.

i don't know there might be some tempering(sp) charges coming skins way. it just looks too good/convenient. his ex coach needs help and he decides he wants to leave the bills?

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Alas, I knew it was too good to be true. We had to get one sooner or later. Next thing ou know 202 will be an internet gangsta telling us he's gonna cap us.

Unfortunately for all it's good the Mass Reach + Anonymity of the idiot is a breeding ground for no talent assclowns like 202. But then I he probably invented the internet so....wait I just figured out who 202 is. Your Al Gore. Tough break in 2000 man.

Posted by: Skinz | October 16, 2006 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I should just root for the Saints the rest of the way

Who Dat Say Dey Gonna Beat Dem Saints?

Posted by: Megskin | October 16, 2006 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Idiot should read internet. I have 202 on my mind so i'm sure you can understand the mistype.

Posted by: Skinz | October 16, 2006 8:48 PM | Report abuse

If I see one more Lexus commercial on redskins.com I'm going to have to break out the credit card :(

Posted by: Megskin | October 16, 2006 8:55 PM | Report abuse

I owned a Lexus for three weeks. Damn thing drove like a boat. It was easily the worst car choice I could have made at the time.

redskins.com is killing me, though. I bought the stuffed pig and the "2nd season" hat today. You can shoot me if I ever buy the "sportcoat".

Posted by: P Diddy | October 16, 2006 9:07 PM | Report abuse

meg, it nice huh?! sweet littl car...

anyways this is what i had in mind:
after the indy loss(if they lose)...

disgruntled skins fans march at skins park



  • march will take place at night since people have lives around 8pm

come dressed as the grim reapers (sp) (shouldn't be that hard to get a costume or just wear all black)
wear a mask (cuz big brother's always watching)

bring your #8 jersey or just write 8 on a white t-shirt

bring a picture of cerrato

bring a picture of that dude (who almost became our coach after snyder fired norv...i forget his name)

bring whatever you want to exorcise our deamons

we'll have a bonfire and burn all those things

and demand a change at the QB position (no, not for collins...season's over at this point)

now all we have to do is pick a day/night

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 9:07 PM | Report abuse

disgruntled skins fans march at skins park
because we're sick of fealing this way!


  • march will take place at night since people have lives around 8pm

  • come dressed as the grim reapers (sp) (shouldn't be that hard to get a costume or just wear all black)
    wear a mask (cuz big brother's always watching)

  • bring your #8 jersey or just write 8 on a white t-shirt

  • bring a picture of cerrato

  • bring a picture of that dude (who almost became our coach after snyder fired norv...i forget his name)

  • bring whatever you want to exorcise our deamons

  • we'll have a bonfire and burn all those things

  • and demand a change at the QB position (no, not for collins...season's over at this point)

  • demand a change in personnel philosophy


any other suggestions welcome

how all we have to do is pick a day/night

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Damn thing drove like a boat.

Not surprised. If it's being hawked by The Danny, you know its gotta stink.

Posted by: Megskin | October 16, 2006 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Damn peoples, this thing really escalated. Had to keep my head on a swivel all day just reading it.
I'm figuring no one in their right mind would read all the way down here, but just in case:

Yeah, I was pushing the issue a bit with Jason Campbell. That was me.

I knew there would be a day when Kelli Johnson would begin being chatted about on this blog. Actually surprised it took this long. She's good people. Fun girl. World hard. Knows here stuff.

Looks like Joe is pretty wedded to Brunell as his QB, eh?

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | October 16, 2006 9:15 PM | Report abuse

The "almost coach" was Terry Robiskie. Who had the good sense to FINALLY play Champ Bailey on offense and actually USE him.

Norv may have been a horrible head coach, but I still loved the guy. I always felt bad that he exemplified the Peter Principle to its fullest. Had he stayed in Dallas, he may have been head coach when the "Triplets" hit their prime and achieved greatness in his own right. Instead he came to Washington, after its glory years and at the beginning of what has proven to be more than a decade of futility.

Thus (for all the folks just starting out in their careers) was a lesson born: Leaving one good job for another with more money and/or stature is not always a step forward.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 16, 2006 9:15 PM | Report abuse

okay, you really don't have to dress in black...and you can bring your families (ie..kids...if you hav kid duty that day)...in that case i think we need to do this during the day instead of the night...sunday @ 1pm of the bye week?

sorry about the formating above...i wish i could delete 'em. editor?

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 9:17 PM | Report abuse

I was pushing the issue a bit with Jason Campbell

Heard that, good questions.

Looks like Joe is pretty wedded to Brunell as his QB, eh?

Hehe, getting sickening isn't it? He's wedded to ole' Happy Feet.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2006 9:19 PM | Report abuse

CARDINALS ARE DESTROYING UNDEFEATED BEARS,BEST TEAM DOESNT ALWAYS WIN.LONG SEASON,NOT TIME TO JUMP JUST YET SKIN FANS!!!!!

Posted by: PEYTON MANNING | October 16, 2006 9:21 PM | Report abuse

no diddy, not robiNskie...the dude who helped bring spurrier here...c'mon guys! jason? you know who i'm talking about? he offered to coach the team till the end of the season.

jason, it was funny...you were at it and then kelli was at it...and then riggo on his show was at it.

but jason, do you know that we can hear you after gibbs leaves that room? we heard you guys making fun of gibbs getting testy...

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 9:21 PM | Report abuse

>>> "I knew there would be a day when Kelli Johnson would begin being chatted about on this blog."

Not as fun as my crush on Her Royal Highness, Princess Madeleine of Sweden. But close enough. You should get Kelli to do a guest blog entry. In fact, during the bye week, you should try and get a couple of guest bloggers. All the cool blogs do it!

Posted by: P Diddy | October 16, 2006 9:27 PM | Report abuse

holy crap! 14 nothing CARDS!!!! wha happen?

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Pepper Rodgers!

Posted by: P Diddy | October 16, 2006 9:28 PM | Report abuse

THANK YOU DIDDY!!! YOU MY BOY!!! i was googling like crazy...

and rexman just got intercepted again!

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Okay, I know I'm probably insane, but in theory we could still go 12-4. Two weeks ago people were in here (myself included) saying that they didn't see any reason why we couldn't run the table. I'm not saying it will happen, but a 5-0 run like last year sure could change things. Just thought I'd throw that out there because this joint is getting depressing. Oh, and even though it was about 350 posts ago, I'm not against running reverses, but I'm not a big fan of running 3 of them over the course of about 8 minutes.

Posted by: Posse Redux | October 16, 2006 9:38 PM | Report abuse

but in theory we could still go 12-4

We could also, in theory, go 2-12. Boy, that would suck.

Posted by: Megskin | October 16, 2006 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Who was the guy at the Gibbs presser who asked if Brunell's toe was affecting his throwing? Makes it sound like Brunell is throwing with his foot--which at this point might not be a bad idea.

Posted by: Megskin | October 16, 2006 9:56 PM | Report abuse

memo to gibbs: matt leinart, a rookie qb 2 TDs in the first quarter against the feared bears D. either you made a mistake by picking campbell or you're too loyal to brunell and not to this franchise, to your boss and especially not to us.

meg, cute! :) i think it was the 980 dude who asked.

rex fumbled again!!!

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Sad to say, I can actually see us going 2-14 - our schedule is oh so tough - and the way we have been playing?? Nuff said.

P Diddy, I loved Norv too...and he was treated so badly by Snyder. Snyder admitted as much in a recent Washingtonian article.

I love what the Saints are doing - keep it up, guys (since our Skins can't). And I'm loving what the Cardinals are doing to the Bears tonight. Hope they keep it up!

Posted by: Lisa | October 16, 2006 10:03 PM | Report abuse

way too many comments to read so i'll post this not knowing if its been said (also posted it on monday morning H-back):

Travis Henry, RB Buffalo Bills 2001-2004

Gregg Williams, HC Buffalo Bills 2001-2003

just throwing that out there. i know gregg aint out there filling gaps and making tackles but shouldn't he have known something about the tendencies and preferences of this rb?

also shouldn't mr williams know a thing or two about jeff fishers offensive schemes being the coordinator there 5 years ago or whatever. granted schemes change and it can go 2 ways with fisher knowing what gregg likes to do but fisher had the 0-5 team on the road with the rookie qb.

as for my thoughts about the offense, yes give the d*mn ball to portis!

Posted by: poop | October 16, 2006 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Sad to say, I can actually see us going 2-14 - our schedule is oh so tough - and the way we have been playing?? Nuff said.

True, true.

Posted by: Posse Redux | October 16, 2006 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Raise your hands if you think Kelli Johnson would have been mentioned at all on this posting if the horny guys on this board didn't find her attractive? Y'all are lame.

Posted by: Skins Fan 202 | October 16, 2006 10:33 PM | Report abuse

202, what's wrong? come here *hugs 202* do you want to talk about it? i'd give you my e-mail address but i don't have the time but i can refer you to a very very good person to talk to. also she accepts almost all major insurances. but if you're underaged or a student she might take you on probono basis.

post your e-mail.

i'll be worried about you if you don't.

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 10:43 PM | Report abuse

"Unfortunately for all it's good the Mass Reach + Anonymity of the idiot is a breeding ground for no talent assclowns like 202. But then I he probably invented the internet so....wait I just figured out who 202 is. Your Al Gore. "

"the Mass Reach + Anonymity of the idiot" -
What? I'm confused. Great choice of capitalization, though.

"no talent assclowns" -

...because posting comments on a Washingtonpost.com blog is somehow an indication of "talent"? What kind of talent? Internet talent? Blogging talent? Computer hacking talent? Whatever it is, you must have a lot of it.

"But then I he probably invented the internet" -

Haha. You got me! I/he DID invent the internet!


"Your Al Gore." -

My Al Gore? Are you sure it's not your Al Gore? Might it be our Al Gore?

"I have 202 on my mind..." -

Yikes! That's kind of scary. I'm not a teenage congressional page, if that's what you're thinking.

Haha. You just got pwned.

Posted by: Skins Fan 202 | October 16, 2006 10:45 PM | Report abuse


202 inspires
Desparate search for mute key.
Help us, Jay La C!

Posted by: HaikuMan | October 16, 2006 10:46 PM | Report abuse

How about them Cardinals? Still: Worst. Uniform. Ever.

Posted by: Megskin | October 16, 2006 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Scrolled up and, sure enough, HaikuMan was one of the posters drooling about Kelli Johnson. Figures.

Posted by: Skins Fan 202 | October 16, 2006 11:00 PM | Report abuse

okay, what was dana patrick doing in the jay z video? and is that suppose to be a song/rap that jay z is singing? i want stats from itunes...see how many idiots download that "song"...

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Poop, (gosh it feels strange writing that :)Travis Henry said yesterday after the game that having been coached by Gregg Williams, he expected Williams to prepare his defense for him (Henry)...but obviously he did not.

Posted by: Lisa | October 16, 2006 11:00 PM | Report abuse

lisa, we gonna whoop manning this week. you watch! GG didn't have his best run stopper in the game (griffin). that's why they ran all over the skins.

memo to saunders: cards are avg. 2 yards per carry but they still running it. and them boys be winning. against da bears.

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 11:14 PM | Report abuse


Doesn't need to scroll:
Already knows 202
Just doesn't get it.

Posted by: HaikuMan | October 16, 2006 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey "dealer":

No, it wasn't Dana Patrick in the video, it was Danica Patrick. I think Dana Patrick was in the last OutKast video, though. That might have been the cause for your confusion.

And the song is called Show 'Em What You Got. It was produced by Just Blaze. You can actually see him performing the drum beat he made to the song in this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7S8Gddw1Zo

Does that qualify as any type of talent, Skinz? By the way, that wasn't the full version of the song or video they showed at halftime. It seemed pretty obvious to me it was a MNF version, but I guess not everyone picked up on it. The real version has actual verses that go along with it.

Thanks for your time.

Posted by: Skins Fan 202 | October 16, 2006 11:26 PM | Report abuse

The addition of Vincent could prove huge for this team.
Since TV knows this system reasonably well, he can play nickel back perfectly. At certain instances, he can even take archuleta's place as a safety, and use AA as the nickel back and potentially blitz, cause everybody and their mommas know that AA doesnt know the d-schemes well yet. As old as vincent is, this pickup, coupled with Springs at full strength this weekend, we could wreak some havoc in Archie's Boy's passing attack.

Posted by: K-Man | October 16, 2006 11:31 PM | Report abuse

thanks 202. but yeah that's who i meant to say "danica" and not dana. phew!!! i thought that was the whole song!

bears just lost! imoh

thank god i can go to sleep now. this game has to be the longest game ever! and still 9 more minutes to go!

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 11:33 PM | Report abuse

At certain instances, he can even take archuleta's place as a safety,

Thank Gawd. He can't possibly do a worse job at the moment. Heck, let him take Rogers' place at corner if he wants.

Posted by: Megskin | October 16, 2006 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Jay-Z's new song totally sucks. His flow is wack in "show me what you got"....jay needs to go back to what made him famous...oh wait, it's the crappy radio pop that made him famous too.

if you wanna hear some real rap, tune into some NaS, old school OutKast, classic Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre, and Talib Kweli/Mos Def....that's real hip hop fo' ya.

Posted by: K-Man | October 16, 2006 11:35 PM | Report abuse

k-man, i agree. couple that with the fact that portis told the media today that "this team doesn't have an identity" and add that with gibbs telling the media that "there will be changes" implying offensive scheme.

i can't wait till this weekend. it'll be a relief either way. win or lose.

peace! out!

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 11:38 PM | Report abuse

i would like to retract my statement about the bears...sorry cards fans! ;)

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Best MNF in a long time.

Posted by: Megskin | October 17, 2006 12:04 AM | Report abuse

i turned it off as soon as theisman said "he hasn't missed" what an @$$!!! for ruining the coming out party for leinart! tk was pullin for him...everyone was pullin for him...except for that big mouth idiot! (our idiot!)

Posted by: dealer | October 17, 2006 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Megskin,

I agree - just wish it had a different ending.....gave me hope for the Skins against the Colts. AZ must be in despair right now...to totally outplay CHI and still lose has really got to hurt. At least Grossman will not be considered "God" anymore.

Posted by: Lisa | October 17, 2006 12:11 AM | Report abuse


Missed Field Goal at end
Kills Cards but preserves H-man's
Slim fantasy lead.

Wooohooooo

Posted by: HaikuMan | October 17, 2006 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Smith, who is credited with turning the 2001 Rams' defense into one of the league's best, was given a four-year contract worth about $1.4 million a year. (This year, the Rams' defense was worse than that of the Chicago Bears' which may be part of the reason why it took the Bears' front office more than two weeks to come to a final decision on who to hire as head coach. Louisiana State's Nick Saban and California's Jeff Tedford were said to have declined the Bears' offers to continue talking.)

WOW

gregg williams contract anyone? (LOL i'll stop bashing greg(g) and his money soon i swear! i gotta get to the rest of our highly overpaid staff...i'll let you guys handle the overpaid players)

Posted by: poop | October 17, 2006 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Don't worry about a thing. The Redskins will win at Indy and salvage their season.

You heard it hear first.

Posted by: Barno | October 17, 2006 12:36 AM | Report abuse

D Green coached this team to lose. Let Lienert throw his shorties. Two runs before the kick, gaining 1 yard maybe. Choke.

Posted by: coolio | October 17, 2006 12:54 AM | Report abuse

253 comments(can the BOG borrow some of these?kidding-the BOG rocks too)!!!

Posted by: Pink C.C.- | October 17, 2006 1:04 AM | Report abuse

WTF is wrong with 202? First BOOFER, now 202. Guys, please, grow up. There are adults here. If you can't play with the big boys and girls, just go somewhere else. None of us feel like being around immature brats. There are plenty of other places for you to post your vitriol.

I just finished watching MNF (via Slingbox, as I'm in New York now). WOW. Best MNF game in a long, long, long time.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 17, 2006 2:16 AM | Report abuse

Good morning from Europe. I've been up for hours. Well, the sun rose for a second straight day, so clearly the world is not ending.

How about some optimism in today's blogging? Where, if any, are the bright spots? Where will we go from here?

Three time super bowl champs. C'mon!

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | October 17, 2006 7:27 AM | Report abuse

im sorry for last post,I dont meen to be gay (i really am)but im tired of being one of worst teams.we suck(luv that)so bad its shameful.in NY theres plenty of gay bars to dround my(face) sorrows.even at 8 in the morning.hope you luv me

Posted by: P Diddy | October 17, 2006 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Wow, imagine if our defense and special teams could win us a game when our offense turns over the ball 6 times. That Chicago defense is going to be legendary, and that was a legendary Monday night football game. If our offense turned over the ball 6 times in a game I imagine we'd lose 60-0.

Posted by: Max | October 17, 2006 8:53 AM | Report abuse

As Arizona demonstrated, just because you run the ball 36 times in a game doesn't mean your going to win. Running the ball that often can lead to a lot of 3 and outs.

Posted by: Max | October 17, 2006 8:55 AM | Report abuse

However, the Cardinals happened to have some form of a passing game to make up for that lack of a running game. Not being able to throw the ball leads to a lot of three-and-outs, as well.

If the Cardinals didn't have Neil 'Shanky' Rackers kicking for them, they would probably be 4-2.

Posted by: FlimFlam | October 17, 2006 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Running the ball can lead to a lot of 3 and outs, but that's why you use play-action. That's what the 'Skins are good at, at least when they stick with it. NFL defenses are fast so the sweeps won't always work because it's a lot harder to get to the corner. NYG was jumping our screen passes all day. We've become somewhat predictable - which is why the announcers kept saying that we've run the most screens of any team. We've got a great O-Line when they get to move the ball on the ground between the tackles. And when the safeties creep up, then Moss, Randle El and Lloyd should be long gone vs. 1 on 1. There are always going to be 3 and outs, regardless of whether you run 3 times or pass 3 times.

Posted by: Posse Redux | October 17, 2006 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I don't know who posted the true prior posts but it wasn't the "real Skinz" in so much as I'm the real one. I don't cuss on this board and while I am sophomoric and sarcastic I'm not that angry.

I will no longer be feeding the troll in hopes that he will return to his home under the bridge (read mommies basement). In the interest of campassion for my fellow man I will say this though.

Listen to dealer. The anger and homophobia in your post screams of self-loathing. Not that there is anything wrong with that......but go talk to a mental healthcare proffessional.

Posted by: Skinz | October 17, 2006 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Barno, thanks for the optimism. THIS POSTER recognizes that you have been about 90% accurate when you say "you heard it here first." Didn't see any posts from you yesterday. The Cliff Notes version is alot of doom and gloom, plus a new poster who is out-dissing even Boofer. He just faked a P Diddy post.

I LOVE LOVE LOVE the graphic by the Skins writers at the post with their suggestions, esp. the part about changing the running game to 90% of the plays. THIS is the recipe for keeping Peyton off the field AND giving Jason some confidence in his first game (assuming St. Joe reads and accepts the suggestions to start Jason asap). This is also genius in that it gets Duckett off the bench and would NOT mean any less carries for Portis or Betts. Pound, pound, pound the D-line. The Skins O-line is BEST when blocking for the run. Genius.

Posted by: dcsween | October 17, 2006 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I was down 6 with T. Jones and Rex Grossman going. He had Bears D. Someone please tell me how I lost by 24....... FF Season slipping away.

Posted by: Skinz | October 17, 2006 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Skinz I co signed that bra. 202 You really need to get some. P you know you have luv from the crew. (gay or not it's your choice bra) Lisa you know we have much luv for you as well. Somebody please come save me from the dark side. Not much fun over here. lol

Posted by: jm220 | October 17, 2006 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Let's see Skinz. 6 turn overs by your QB had to kill.lol

Posted by: jm220 | October 17, 2006 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Did you guys see Denny Green last night? Wow, he punched the podium was dropping A bombs. His repitition of "They are who we thought they are!!" reminded me of "You play to win the game. HELLO!! You play to win the game!!"

Posted by: Skinz | October 17, 2006 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Skinz I heard it on the way to work this morning on Mike and Mike. Wouldn't it be great if Coach Joe comes out like that just once?

Posted by: jm220 | October 17, 2006 9:52 AM | Report abuse

jm220,

Perhaps not like that haha, but no doubt some fire would be nice. Green's on the hotseat and I fear that perhaps Joe is too comfortable.

Last year when they called him washed up and too old at 5-6 is when he got a little fire in his belly and turned the team around.

Seems to me that the only people who really have the fire (admittedly no inside access to that locker room) are Sellers and Philip Daniels.

For my money Sellers is my MVP of the year so far. High praise from me considering for 2 years with those stupid penalties he would get i wanted him thrown off the team.

Posted by: Skinz | October 17, 2006 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I just finished reading what I missed...

Dagggg, this blog never sleeps. Anyway, I feel better this morning realizing we are onlt 2 games out of 1st place and we still have to play the 1st place team twice! It is very doable. But, I think we are out of the Wild Card chase.

I'm not a horny guy like 202 was referring too (I told you I read everything), but Kelli to me is one of the most aggressive beat reporters out there. The 980 beat reporter (jerry) ask alot of fan-type questions, which I like, but I notice Gibbs dismisses his questions pretty quickly........

Posted by: 4th Floor | October 17, 2006 10:34 AM | Report abuse

My sexual orientation is no one's business, of course. Thanks for the defense, but just let the delinquent go and don't pay him any attention.

As for the Cardinals game, the old adage about football is very apropos given last night: turnovers and field position are the keys to every game. The Cardinals turned the ball over twice (egregiously) to let the Bears get in striking position of a win. That punt return was a beauty.

The Bears and Saints sure do have that "Team of Destiny" look, don't they? I would love to see the 'Skins get back in it, but the Bears and Saints will be a good enough distraction if they don't.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 17, 2006 10:36 AM | Report abuse

4th Floor,

Your boyz blog was spot on today. My fav line is this:

"This team doesn't know accountability... just accounting, because everybody gets paid."

Posted by: Skinz | October 17, 2006 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Did You Know:

Devin Hester, A ROOKIE, returned his 2nd punt for a Touchdown last night. While we paid Randle-El all this $$, and he has returned 0 punts for TDs. I am just begining to fall out of favor with all of this Free Agency Bull Crap we do every March/April..........

Posted by: 4th Floor | October 17, 2006 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Well P. Over here on the dark side. Lord Vader told me he is for the Saints as well.

Posted by: jm220 | October 17, 2006 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone else who watched that game last night think about how good our Redskins team could be if WE just had a QB who could read defenses and zip the ball accurately over the middle? See how much difference a competent QB makes for an offense and a team?

Why can't Gibbs see what's going on with Leinhart, Rivers, Manning, Rothlisberger, Vince Young, Grossman, etc. The young QB's are all learning and leading their teams. Yet we are stuck with a re-tread who is scared in the pocket, can't see over his linemen, and simply cannot throw an accurate pass over 5 yds.

I only hope that Gibbs comes to his senses, otherwise I can see the prime years of Portis, Moss, Washington, Samuels,jansen, Thomas, Griffin, etc. all wasted while Brunell manages the team into the toilet.

Posted by: Reality Check | October 17, 2006 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I would love to see St. Joe react like Denny Green did last night...just once. That should shake the players up as it would be so unexpected.

Doc Walker said yesterday that Gibbs is different behind the scenes - not exactly as laid back as when on camera...but still.

Posted by: Lisa | October 17, 2006 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Trade deadline today. For the first time this season, I found a reason to feel good about having too many WRs taking up roster spots. It means that Gibbs/Vinny won't try to go after what to them might otherwise seem obvious ... Jerry Porter and Randy Moss.

Posted by: dcsween | October 17, 2006 11:28 AM | Report abuse

all what "reality" said and the defense would play with a purpose. like "we got your back tonight kid". if you were a bears fan you'd want your team to punt on the first down and "give" the ball back to their defense.

BUT i think st. joe probly took this game and said "see!!! how come no one's calling for grossman to be benched. and look! the offense was playing terrible and yet the bears didn't give up"....

btw, TK was borderline good last night...

i just hate theisman for jinxing the kicker like that...WHY???? can't you just shut up for a mere second!!! idiot!

Posted by: dealer | October 17, 2006 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Looks like Jim Fassel got fired. Can we hire him? I heard the Skins have an open req for Assistant Head Associate Quarterbacks and Intermediate Passing Coordinator Coach.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 17, 2006 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Looks like Jim Fassel got fired.

redskins 1 has been summoned.

Posted by: dealer | October 17, 2006 11:45 AM | Report abuse

"Texans cut former first-round cornerback Buchanon"


we got a new saftey in Vincent and now maybe a new back in Buchanon?

Posted by: JT | October 17, 2006 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Just for laughs ... I can guarantee you will laugh at this street comedian in Japan. He is a young guy who looks old ...

http://images2.jokaroo.net/videos/grandpajapan.wmv

Posted by: X.Hog | October 17, 2006 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Is there any recourse for Duckett? Any chance we'll deal him on the trade deadline today? I can somewhat see what our thinking was at the time picking him up, when the glass was still half full and we weren't sure if CP would come around or not, but 20/20 hindsight says it was extremely foolish. Betts/Rock/Sellers obviously could've filled in and have, Duckett is nowhere to be seen! All of these ridiculous trades and free agent signings are going to come back and bite us big time. I second (or 3rd or 4th) the need for a real GM.
At least we're not Cardinals fans, what a choke job that was last night, you could see it coming a mile a way, and our boy Kornheiser was calling it the whole time.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | October 17, 2006 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Pulldownclaw - Didn't we give up a nice lead also? The only thing was we were 'suppose' to be the good team and hold the lead and we didn't. The Cardnals were a bad team who was not suppose to be in the lead in the 1st place.

Posted by: 4th Floor | October 17, 2006 11:57 AM | Report abuse

X.Hog - great stuff. I laughed so loud my manager had to see it!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 17, 2006 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Is JLC AWOL today?

Posted by: jm220 | October 17, 2006 12:07 PM | Report abuse


For once I admit I do wonder
If Gibbs should be willing to plunder
Some Dennis Green passion
For a good public bashin'
Of his team's inexcusable blunders.

Posted by: HaikuMan/LimerickMan | October 17, 2006 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Blog host suffering
Information overload?
Call for help, Cindy!

Posted by: MV Dame | October 17, 2006 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Is any one waiting for the 300th post like they are waiting for the 300 millionth person that happened earlier?

Posted by: Annonymous | October 17, 2006 12:21 PM | Report abuse

H.Hog, are you kidding me?!! TOOO Da@@ Funny bro. That head thing was awesome! If our receivers could get some of those "lean down low boots", I think they could catch some of #8's ankle passes.

Posted by: coolio | October 17, 2006 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Three hundred comments
Does Cindy get commission?
Let's make it happen

Posted by: MV Dame | October 17, 2006 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Any chance we'll deal him on the trade deadline today?

Wouldn't that be great? If we're not going use him we should let him go. He seems like a good person, definitely doesn't deserve to be sitting on the bench all year.

Go-go 300 posts

Posted by: Megskin | October 17, 2006 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Poetry off bench
Playclock quickly winding down
Two minute haiku

Posted by: MV Dame | October 17, 2006 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Free embedded puns
Unforgettable typos
Where is HaikuMan?

Posted by: MV Dame | October 17, 2006 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Desperation time
We're all in this together
Clichés pull us through

Posted by: MV Dame | October 17, 2006 1:00 PM | Report abuse

If not commission
JLC treats for dinner
Editor needs food

Posted by: MV Dame | October 17, 2006 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me, folks
Trying to help out our girl?
Hand off to Megskin

Posted by: MV Dame | October 17, 2006 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Where is HaikuMan?

Haikuman not seen
is probably out to lunch.
this is stretching it

Posted by: Megskin | October 17, 2006 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Some Dennis Green passion

He looked like he needed some Tums last night.

Posted by: Megskin | October 17, 2006 1:12 PM | Report abuse

300! For now. :P

Posted by: Megskin | October 17, 2006 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Is JLC AWOL today?

Last seen being hustled away by the men in black suits and Redskin ear-pieces. :(

Posted by: Megskin | October 17, 2006 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Now that is teamwork
JLC and Cindy reach
New blogging benchmark

(Boo creepy HaikuMan. Hooray Megskin!)

Posted by: MV Dame | October 17, 2006 1:27 PM | Report abuse

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