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Tyer Retires after 37 Seasons

The Redskins have announced that Bubba Tyer, the director of sports medicine, has retired after 37 seasons with the team.

According to the team's press release:

Tyer spent the 2002 season as a front-office administrator before retiring from the Redskins in 2003, but returned to the team upon Hall of Fame Coach Joe Gibbs' return in 2004 as Director of Sports Medicine.
"No one has given more to the Redskins than Bubba. More time, more help, more support, and more love," said Daniel M. Snyder, owner of the team. "He has been a friend to me and to countless others."
Tyer originally joined the Washington athletic training staff in 1971, becoming a member of the first staff of Redskins Hall of Fame Coach George Allen. In his 37 seasons with the Redskins, Tyer has been a part of five Super Bowl appearances and three World Championship teams, while working with future Hall of Famers George Allen, Joe Gibbs, Darrell Green, Ken Houston, Sonny Jurgensen, Art Monk, John Riggins and Charley Taylor, as well as Redskins' greats Russ Grimm, Jeff Bostic, Joe Theismann, Mark Moseley and Pat Fischer.
"It has been a fantastic 37 seasons with the Redskins," said Tyer. "I am proud to have been a part of so many great accomplishments through the years. I just want to thank both the Snyder and Cooke families for all they have done for me and my family. I had the great pleasure of working with some great coaches and players. I am really happy that Coach Gibbs brought me back and that I was able to be a part of Coach Zorn's first season. We have a very talented training staff and they will do a great job."
"Bubba has played such an important role in the Redskins organization over the years," said Executive Vice President of Football Operations Vinny Cerrato. "We have been very fortunate to have a chance to work with someone who is so well respected in his field. The players and our staff hold Bubba in very high regard. We can't thank him enough for everything he has done for the Redskins."
As a tribute to his dedication and professionalism, Tyer was recognized as the NFL's top trainer in 2000 and was inducted to the Redskins Ring of Fame at FedExField in 2003. In addition, Tyer previously served as president of the Pro Football Athletic Trainers Society.
"I think it is incredible to see the impact Bubba has had on the Washington Redskins and in the National Football League," said Washington Redskins Head Coach Jim Zorn. "He has received recognition for his accomplishments as the league's top athletic trainer and he's already in the Redskins' Ring of Fame. Those are outstanding honors."
"The thing I discovered about him is how deeply he cares about this organization, and his passion for the profession. He had a great presence and a tremendous intelligence in the arena of athletic training. Obviously there's science to being an athletic trainer, but I think Bubba made an art of recovery and rehab, and I think he did it in a tremendous way. From the time I arrived here, I could see the profound impact he has had on our players, coaches and the Redskins organization."
"Bubba is one of the most respected people I have been around," Redskins Offensive Line Coach Joe Bugel said. "He did his job with passion and had great loyalty to the organization. He is a friend that I will have forever. He is more than a friend - he was like a brother. We have been together for 15 years and he is one guy who is always there for you. I have great love and respect for him and his lovely wife, Cathy. He has not only meant a lot to our organization, but to our coaches."
One of the most respected and popular figures in Redskins history, Tyer graduated from Lamar University in Beaumont, Texas and was head trainer for the United States Marine Corps' varsity sports program at Quantico from 1968-1970. Tyer finishes his career in Washington after 602 regular season games as a Redskins' employee.

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Comments

Can he take Danny Smith with him?

Seriously though, he has been around forever and is a part of the Skins legacy. Hope life continues to be well for him.

Posted by: HustlerofCulture | January 16, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully they get a guy that can motivate the players to stretch so they can avoid the dreaded hammy...

Posted by: nagoose | January 16, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Best of luck to Tyer in his retirement.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 16, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

"Hopefully they get a guy that can motivate the players to stretch so they can avoid the dreaded hammy...

Posted by: nagoose | January 16, 2009"

Motivate them to stay in the area and work out at Redskins park under the watchful eye of the trainers. Hmmmm I think Gibbs tried to do that and caught all sorts of grief. I do wonder if Devin Thomas would have showed up out of shape with Gibbs in charge and pushing those "voluntary" practices, camps, and workouts?

Wondering if Zorn is more like Spurrier (another former NFL QB) when it comes to that.

Posted by: periculum | January 16, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Cah he take Danny boy and Vinny"I can't draft air" with him? What a bunch of dumb asses this organization has for VP of OPS,
and Owner!!! Stupid @###$%%@#!!!!


Posted by: joe12341 | January 16, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

JOE IS MAD

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 16, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Perc... that's not what I said... all I'd like Tyer's replacement to do is to get the players to stretch before and after practices and games... not to half a$$ it like what has been happening (esp. under Gibbs)...

Its a fact that simple stretching is all that it takes to avoid pulled hamstrings.

I would say that '08 was far and away better than '07 though...

Posted by: nagoose | January 16, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

nice article jason, tyer seems like a classy guy. I'm glad the organization honored him for his hard work.

Posted by: trolly_time | January 16, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

damn that sucks, i thought he actually did a great job besides the whole hamstring thing

Posted by: mehtadman87 | January 16, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

What stands out for me is that Bubba is one of the only remaining ties back to Jack Kent Cooke days. His work ethic, commitment, the classy way he conducted himself ... with but a few exceptions these traits have disappeared from this organization.

Best of luck in the future Bubba!

Posted by: garrena1 | January 16, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

What really sucks is that my replica jersey JUST arrived ... Tyer (#911).

Posted by: dcsween | January 16, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Pete Carroll and Mark Sanchez

Considering the kid is set to graduate in May and is likely to be a top 10, possibly top 3 pick – at least according to the radio this AM – I can’t fault him at all. Carroll should’ve been more supportive – regardless of his misgivings.

Posted by: skinswest | January 16, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

And Dan Snyder should announce the building of the Redskins new indoor practice field/ 1000 seat Dome Stadium for the nice hot summer practices and local schools to play on, the Bubba Tyler Mini-Dome.

I dreamed wishfully.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 16, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Its a fact that simple stretching is all that it takes to avoid pulled hamstrings.

Posted by: nagoose

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That is a gross oversimplification. It takes far more, including fitness, strength, hydration, nutrition, etc.

Besides, Tyer was essentially the head of the trainers/doctors. His main job was to heal the players, not necessarily prevent them from happening. That, I put more on the strength & conditioning coaches.

Posted by: psps23 | January 16, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Got to wonder how you replace someone like him.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 16, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Got to wonder how you replace someone like him.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 16, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

You don't. Take the best candidate available.

Posted by: Devo2 | January 16, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

hate to switch subjects but has anyone noticed what the chargers are doing to LT. they are basically hanging him out to dry.

I mean we have Cerratto but they dude A.J. Smith is a moron. I mean he is trying to trade LT and he fired a coach of an 14-2 team in Schottenheimer.

This dude might be even stupider than Vinny

Posted by: GreatOne1 | January 16, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I tend to believe they need BOTH. Springs can no longer last through 16 games. I think he definitely will be back. IN the current scheme they would use him as a one-and-one shutdown corner. With Rogers you can bring 3 in at once on any given down.

...

Posted by: periculum | January 16, 2009 2:24 PM

I agree completely that they need Both Hall and Rogers. I, however, feel they should cut Springs (despite his talent, they guy is injury prone and has no heart)to open up cap space. I can live with Smoot as a #3 until the skins can draft a good nickel/slot capable corner.

I also believe we bring back JT if he will renegotiate to a lower salary, I liked what I saw once he was healthy.

I have mixed feelings on Griff due to his age and cap figure...but the guy plays through pain, doesn't miss many games, is great in the lockeroom (doesn't complain about sharing playing time with the younger guys), and he plays hard and well.

I feel O-Line, DT, and linebackers are our most critical needs

Posted by: ecale25 | January 16, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

OH NO! WE SUCK AGAIN!

Posted by: peterandmeredith | January 16, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Haha, lots of vague movie references today.

Posted by: ecale25 | January 16, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Movie reference?

Posted by: peterandmeredith | January 16, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Bubba. You will be missed.

Posted by: wp11234 | January 16, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV = nerd

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 16, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Leigh Torrence is the best trainer in the NFL, and we let him go. How stupid do we look now?

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 16, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

you heard it hear first the skins will trade up in the draft to #5 currently held by the Cleveland browns.

this is what will happen, we will send Carlos Rogers and the 13th pick overall and in return we get the 5th pick and draft Malcom Jenkins at CB from ohio state and also recieve a third round pick.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | January 16, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I have been following the compensatory draft stuff. As far as I can tell the Redskins will get zero picks. The two eligible (non-released) players who have joined other teams are Prioleau and Fox. Neither signed for much money and neither started more than 3 games.

not that it really matters except I guess it increases the mathematical chance of Vinny's dart draftboard hitting on a Horton again.

Anyway we will know on compensatories in early March.

Posted by: zornskins2 | January 16, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Its a fact that simple stretching is all that it takes to avoid pulled hamstrings.

Posted by: nagoose

Thank you, Dr. Quack. As with so many made-up facts on RI, this one is wrong:

`By far the most common cause of hamstring injuries originates from an imbalance between the quadriceps muscles (located at the front of the upper leg) and the hamstring muscles.

The quadriceps are a very large, strong group of muscles which help to extend the leg. These muscles can become so strong that they overpower the hamstrings, putting a massive amount of tension on the hamstring muscles. Combine strong quadriceps with weak hamstrings and you have a hamstring injury waiting to happen.`

http://www.thestretchinghandbook.com/archives/hamstring-injury-treatment.php

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 16, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Happy retirement, Bubba. May Captain Sullenberger fly you whereever you want to go...

Posted by: TheCork | January 16, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

+++this is what will happen, we will send Carlos Rogers and the 13th pick overall and in return we get the 5th pick and draft Malcom Jenkins at CB from ohio state and also recieve a third round pick.

Posted by: GreatOne1++++


I'd laugh that off, but as DB is the only position Vinny has any luck drafting, you may be right.

And as the skins showed last year, you can' go wrong with guys named Malcomb.

Posted by: TheCork | January 16, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Cork, come draft time, the Skins will have Malcolm Amnesia.

Posted by: dcsween | January 16, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

+++Got to wonder how you replace someone like him.

Posted by: alex35332 +++

Too bad Sanjay Gupta isn't available.

Posted by: TheCork | January 16, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

May Captain Sullenberger fly you whereever you want to go...

Posted by: TheCork | January 16, 2009 4:53 PM

To early for that one, maybe next week

Posted by: GreatOne1 | January 16, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Cork, come draft time, the Skins will have Malcolm Amnesia.

Posted by: dcsween

Well if they don't build the Bubba Tyer Mini-dome as someone suggested, maybe they will set up the Malcomb Tent to honor RI posters.

Live by the pun, die by the pun, 'sween.

Posted by: TheCork | January 16, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

if not Malcolm Amnesia, then Metamucil ...

Posted by: dcsween | January 16, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

'Tyer's greatest accomplishment may have been surviving the 4 day interview process of one time head coaching favorite, Jim Fassel. Fassel passed out 6 times and needed I.V. fluids to continue answering choose your own adventure questions while locked in a phone booth that was filling up with slime from 'You Can't Do That on Television'. Once Fassel, made it out of the booth, he sprained an ankle, which Tyer promptly taped up, while reaching for his team's flag in the nose of the giant face from the Double Dare obstacle course. When Fassel bested Gregg Williams in the physical challenge, Tyer was there to massage the arrogance out of Gregg's soul.

The Redskins would like to thank Bubba for his service.'

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | January 16, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

oh, I'm dying alright ...

Posted by: dcsween | January 16, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

+++Got to wonder how you replace someone like him.

Posted by: alex35332 +++

Too bad Sanjay Gupta isn't available.

Posted by: TheCork | January 16, 2009 4:58 PM

I`m guessing that with recent lay-offs and staff reductions, that they just won`t fill this position. Guy gets hurt and he goes to the emergency room and waits his turn like the rest of us. If there`s a bone sticking out of his skin, he`ll probably have a shorter wait.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 16, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Good luck Bubba!

Posted by: siris | January 16, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

AMTTS! Love the "game day experience" video!

Cork, what is your official deal ... on that football website ... is it your site? or are you a regular contributor? or a special contributor?

Posted by: dcsween | January 16, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Maybe LT's torn groin ligament is a more serious injury than SD let on... although, I can't see them relying on Sproles as a primary RB.

Posted by: siris | January 16, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

or maybe LT just "Shaun Alexander"ed

Posted by: dcsween | January 16, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Shaun Alexandering is the football version of Jumping the Shark.

Posted by: dcsween | January 16, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"RedDMV = nerd

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 16, 2009"

Hmmmm Red Demolition Motocross Vehicle?
Red Dune Mauler Vehicle?

Red Dune Messiah Vorian?

Red Dune Melange Virgin?

Posted by: periculum | January 16, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I think "Mr. Immaculate Reception" himself, Franco Harris, started that well before the "jumping the shark" concept.

"Shaun Alexandering is the football version of Jumping the Shark.

Posted by: dcsween | January 16, 2009"

Posted by: periculum | January 16, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

"The quadriceps are a very large, strong group of muscles which help to extend the leg. These muscles can become so strong that they overpower the hamstrings, putting a massive amount of tension on the hamstring muscles. Combine strong quadriceps with weak hamstrings and you have a hamstring injury waiting to happen."

However, can one als assume that there may be a genetic component as well? Impression being that hamstring pulls seem more likely happening to those with "quick twitch" muscles ... the quick speed guys.

Posted by: periculum | January 16, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Gran Torino: a WIKI on fifties and sixties obscenities.

Posted by: periculum | January 16, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Perky,

Genetics? There are many risk factors for hamstring injuries:

• The attachment sites and anatomy of the muscles,
• Lack of flexibility,
• Poor lumbar posture and core stability,
• Fatigue,
• Inadequate warm-up,
• Insufficient hamstring strength in comparison with the
quadriceps, and
• Position of peak hamstring torque.

http://www.annals.edu.sg/PDF/37VolNo4Apr2008/V37N4p341.pdf

The `simple fact` guys who say `more stretching` ought to think about what they`re saying. If it were that simple, no one would ever get a hamstring injury.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 16, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

ITA

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 16, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

ITA

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 16, 2009 5:27 PM

Agree to agree. Totally. Forever.

Posted by: dcsween | January 16, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

enjoy retirement Bubba!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 16, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't aware that TRAINERS and other people that are not players are able to have their name in the Ring of Fame.

How funny would it be if Vinny C. was the next?

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | January 16, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of LT and Alexander, is anyone else worried that CP is again awfully close to the rule of 370? Nagging injuries, lack of longer runs, etc.

i hope not but I really hope a RB is in the draft plans.

Posted by: zornskins2 | January 16, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Yep ITA scramblebrain and paint your bald spot.
Forever.

"ITA

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 16, 2009"

Posted by: periculum | January 16, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

"Mr. Perky,

Genetics? There are many risk factors for hamstring injuries:

The `simple fact` guys who say `more stretching` ought to think about what they`re saying. If it were that simple, no one would ever get a hamstring injury.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 16, 2009"

I was only asking a question.

Never made that statement. Such things are complex enough ... not enough is really known about how it all works ... having had three knee surgeries as a result of an active athletic life, it is not something I even like to think about. Having dated MDs with those specialties makes me even more reluctant to have any sort of opinion when it comes to that.

I only know from my own personal experience that having injuries like Malcom Kelly is not a good thing even when you are very young.

Posted by: periculum | January 16, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

"If there`s a bone sticking out of his skin, he`ll probably have a shorter wait.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 16, 2009"

Your humor is again less than tasteful. That happened to Joe Theismann. It was not a good thing.

Posted by: periculum | January 16, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

"Speaking of LT and Alexander, is anyone else worried that CP is again awfully close to the rule of 370? Nagging injuries, lack of longer runs, etc."

I think he may have just passed it. But that will likely make itself evident next season.

Posted by: periculum | January 16, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

"• Poor lumbar posture and core stability,"

Stomach muscles. Doesn't help to have hernias. Hate those things.

Posted by: periculum | January 16, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

BUCS GM FIRED, SHOULD BE HERE BY SUNDAY NIGHT, BUT HE WONT BE, JUST DREAMIN!!!!!!!!

Posted by: jefferboy | January 16, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

What really sucks is that my replica jersey JUST arrived ... Tyer (#911).

Posted by: dcsween | January 16, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

OR

RedDMV = nerd

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 16, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Truth for balancing out this blog. Witty repartee needs its childish, lowbrow sidekick.

Wow just saw Gruden got fired. Dumb.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 16, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Pete Caroll is selfish for snapping about Mark Sanchez leaving school.

College coaches spend nights/weekends and text messages begging a kid to come to a school to play for free, then skedaddle when the money and opportunity opens up somewhere else.

Sanchez is smart to leave now as he'll be a higher pick this year with Bradford, McCoy and Tebow hanging around to make money for the NCAA and the annoying sportcasters/networks who milk their college years for millions.

Now the question is Chase Daniels or Mark Sanchez.

I don't blame the kid. Go get paid, brother.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 16, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Wow just saw Gruden got fired. Dumb.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 16, 2009 6:34 PM
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Can we trade Vinnie and a pick to be named later for Bruce Allen?

P.S. The story.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 16, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

if only it were so easy, Thunder....

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 16, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Agreed Moe. Never liked Carroll but even less now. Looked petty, selfish, greedy, and frankly ignorant - to say that it was the wrong time to leave...this kid's stock ain't gettin any higher...coupled with Bradford staying- it's the perfect storm that could make him #1 pick, lock for top 5

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 16, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

if only it were so easy, Thunder....

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 16, 2009 6:55 PM
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And since he was cut, in effect, we wouldn't even have to compensate them with a pick...
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 16, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't blame the kid. Go get paid, brother.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 16, 2009 6:42 PM
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Not to mention, what if he got hurt?

College football at a USC (and such as) is like being in a lucrative minor league (except for the players).

Jonathan Luigs would likely have been the first center taken in last year's draft. This year he will most likely be the third center taken, after Alex Mack and Max Unger. Not because he had a bad year, just because those two guys are much higher rated prospects.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 16, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

With three of the top five qb's staying in scholl Sanchez would be crazy to wait for next year. The other factor that part of the CBA being debated is a rookie salary cap.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 16, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

*school* (of all the things to mispell)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 16, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

*school* (of all the things to mispell)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 16, 2009 7:23 PM
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We are talking Division I FBS NCAA football (and incidental collage edumacation) here.

So you get a hall pass.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 16, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

That happened to Joe Theismann. It was not a good thing.

Posted by: periculum | January 16, 2009 6:20 PM

Probably happened because of bad genes, right Mr. Perky?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 16, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

*school* (of all the things to mispell)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 16, 2009 7:23 PM

Thats because you went to an Institute, not a School. Spelling didnt count for anything at the `Toot:

Rootie toot toot
Roogie toot toot
We are the boys from the Institute
We don`t smoke
And we don`t chew
And we don`t go with girls that do!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 16, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

We don`t smoke
And we don`t chew
And we don`t go with girls that do!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 16, 2009 7:59 PM

At least not anymore. Meant to ask you before. If I recall you said you graduated a while ago. Were the old techwood dorms just as bad then as they were in the early 90's? That area was crackton when I was there. Techwood and Luckie Street were straight hood. They tore 'em down for the Olympic Village while I was there but I remember my freshman year they were pretty scary.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 16, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

any update on who will be replacing simmons as TE coach and who may be in the running for taking over for bubba?

Posted by: altarkenton | January 16, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Rich Tandler
WarpathInsiders.com Jan 16, 2009

The defensive backfield was the strong suit of the Washington Redskins defense in 2008. For that matter, it probably was the strongest unit on the team.

The next of an occasional series about what the Redskins might do and what they should do to address personnel issues.

It would be great if the team could just carry that area of strength into the '09 season intact. However, some decisions must be made and some major change is possible.

The first piece of the puzzle is cornerback DeAngelo Hall. After being picked up in midseason following an unceremonious dumping by the Raiders, Hall worked his way into the starting lineup and played well. There are signs that he may be growing up and that his "MeAngelo" days are behind him. He is an unrestricted free agent and if the Redskins can get it for something like the numbers being floated around—about $12 million guaranteed and $45 million over six years—it's a no-brainer to bring him back.

What I don't understand is why Hall and Carlos Rogers are being presented as an either-or proposition. Rogers was playing at a Pro Bowl level for the first half of the season and he wasn't awful when he was demoted to nickel back when Hall moved in to the starting position. He has a year left on his contract. If there is no collective bargaining agreement by next year Rogers will be a restricted free agent, meaning that the Redskins can make him a qualifying offer and get a first-round pick if he signs elsewhere. In any case, there is a good chance that the Redskins will control his rights for the next two seasons.

I can understand wanting to recoup the second-round pick that the Redskins gave up in the Jason Taylor trade and it's likely that Rogers could fetch such a selection in a trade. But it's unlikely—possible but unlikely—that whoever the Redskins might pick up in the second round would have the impact that Rogers will. Remember that he was coming off of major knee surgery and that nobody thought he would be able to play until October at the earliest. Rogers probably never will be an elite corner, but with an offseason devoted to conditioning and full participation in OTA's rather than to rehab he could be a very good one. The Redskins should be looking to extend his contract rather than trade him.

....more to come....

Posted by: TWISI | January 16, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

...continued...

If a corner must go, it should be Shawn Springs. Yes, he's still a productive player but he carries an eight million dollar cap number this season. There would be a net savings of about $6 million if he is released. That money could go to good use in other places, like signing Hall and extending Rogers. In this case, it would be better to let him go a year too early than keep him around a year too long. All of the calf problems last year suggest that he's becoming too slow to heal, a huge red flag.

I can take or leave Fred Smoot. He rarely gets smoked but he has trouble making plays on the ball when he's in position to do so. There would be a cap hit of, by my estimate, about $1.5 million to release him.

The mystery man is Justin Tryon. He got into 14 games last year, mostly on special teams. Still, he saw considerable action as a dime back and you didn't hear his name much. Generally, that's good for a rookie defensive back. With all of the uncertainty surrounding the players ahead of him on the depth chart, Tryon just may get a chance to show what he can do in 2009.

Posted by: TWISI | January 16, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Justin Tryon abolished the periodic table because he only believes in the element of surprise.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 16, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

scamp,

I graduated in 1965. I lived in the dorms as a freshman but moved into a fraternity as a sophomore. I was in Glenn dorm and it was a dump, but I didnt spend much time there. Was Glenn part of Techwood? I really didnt mind it because I was just so excited about being away from my family.

They should have replaced those dorms long before the olympics. They weren`t much in 1961 -- didn`t have air conditioning and were pretty run down. If they were obsolete when I was there, it must have been a pretty bad experience when you were there.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 16, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

I, too, was in Glenn dorm in my freshman year. It was on Techwood but wasn't "Techwood" dorm (which was across North Avenue). They tore down Glenn the semester after I moved out. Glenn was junk but when Pink Floyd played at Bobby Dodd it was one big party.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 16, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Pink Floyd? When I was there the hot acts were Jimmy Reed, Bo Diddley and the Isley Brothers. For fraternity parties, you could always draw a good crowd if you brought in Doug Clark and the Hot Nuts. We were rather put off by a new act, the Beatles, with their long girly hair. They looked like they were ugly Scotties.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 16, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

That's pretty funny. When Pink Floyd played they were just about finished with their touring years. I'm guessing Techwood Drive was a whole different world then. When I was there GT was smack in the midlle of one of the worst ghettos in all of Atlanta. We're not talking about those bubblegum gangsters that you see on MTV. We're talking 30, 40, 50 year old, born, raised, and will die penniless, crack addicted, thugs. No gang affiliation, dog eat dog, no one got your back type of killers. Gun shots and police every night down there. Pretty safe on 1 side of North Ave., not at all on the other.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 16, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

We were rather put off by a new act, the Beatles, with their long girly hair. They looked like they were ugly Scotties.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 16, 2009 9:19 PM

...and oh by the way, I'm an ugly Scottie with long girly hair. Don't hold it against me.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 16, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

...and oh by the way, I'm an ugly Scottie with long girly hair. Don't hold it against me.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 16, 2009 9:33 PM |

Hell, we all are now -- those of us who still have our hair that is. But it was pretty hard to accept then.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 16, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

6 years at 45 million for D. Hall.......that comes at an AVERAGE of about 7.5 million per year..... a little bit higher than what would be ideal, but I would probably pull the trigger on that one... just for the simple fact of his "takeaway ability".

Posted by: dspinx | January 16, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

dspinx, all I want to hear about the contract we sign with D-Hall is "incentive-laden." I want the dude to be on the hook to perform. He made some great plays for us this year, and I want him to remain a Redskin, but he has a "history", and he was playing nice-nice since he had a lot of money at stake... and I have trust issues.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 16, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

No,no your totally write Nate.....I couldn't agree more, I was just guilty of being too lazy to go in depth with that. The 7.5 million a season seems OK but that 12 mil guaranteed that we would be on the hook for, I just don't like a whole lot. It brings all the sour tastes of a Jon Jansen and Clinton Portis contracts. UHHH.

Posted by: dspinx | January 16, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

What's all this I keep hearing about thrust issues?

-Emily Litella

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 16, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Gruden fired....?

Add his name as a noun in the following sentence.

___________ was hired to replace Jim Zorn as coach of the Washington Redskins this past weekend after a brief and confusing search by new Redskins' GM Bozo the Clown.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 16, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

No,no your totally write Nate.....I couldn't agree more, I was just guilty of being too lazy to go in depth with that. The 7.5 million a season seems OK but that 12 mil guaranteed that we would be on the hook for, I just don't like a whole lot. It brings all the sour tastes of a Jon Jansen and Clinton Portis contracts. UHHH.

Posted by: dspinx | January 16, 2009 10:50 PM

Except Portis runs for 1300+ yards every year and runs hard. That lazy bastard carrying the team and being the whole offense most of the time. Shame on him. If only he worked and ran as hard as Larry Johnson.

Posted by: ecale25 | January 16, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

I know, I know, the blog kind of goes to sleep at night now, there isn't even the sound of crickets any more up here, but here I am with a thrilling bit of news...

The Onion's AV Club has a pretty awesome commenting community, and they recently rolled out new comment software that lets each registered commenter have a profile picture up which is displayed next to every one of his or her comments... So anyway, one of the commenters has the handle "Whitey" and for his profile picture he apparently ripped a shot of the whitest dude he could think of, and I'm pretty sure it's our own Ethan Albright (in his Pro Bowl jersey):

http://www.avclub.com/accounts/whitey,5914/

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 17, 2009 2:15 AM | Report abuse

That's fine scout work, Nate.

For added entertainment, here's the screencap I found to confirm the picture.

(Note that the text is not Safe for Jack's Kids. Apparently, Mr. Albright was unhappy with his 53 rating in Madden.)
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 17, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

2008 NFL Draft Review

Re: What went wrong.....?

3rd round: scene of a crime

Redskins in need of a d-lineman take wr Devin Thomas-Mich. State.

Later, the Dolphins, in need of a d-lineman take de Kendall Langford-Hampton

Langford: makes NFL All-Rookie Team

Thomas: shows up to August practice cocky and out of shape

None of the Redskins 10 picks make the ALL Rookie Team

The crime?: the GM who made this mistake--and others--keeps his job and gets to pick again this year.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Moe,

At the draft, Skins had a bigger need at WR than at DL. They only had three guys under contract. They took the highest rated WR in the draft, Devin Thomas. They stole him with a second round pick, but that wasn`t the crime.

There was a crime, but the criminal was Devin Thomas, not the GM. The man didn`t come to play. He didn`t live up to his contract. He`s the thief.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 17, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Man I wish Gibbs finished out the last year of his contract. Last year its names like Fassel and Zorn. This year it could have been Gruden or Shanahan.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | January 17, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

So JLC and Rick Snider from the DC Examiner have totally different views on what the Skins will do regarding free agency. JLC said they will not bring in a big $$$ guy like Jordan Gross and Rick Snider said they will. How can 2 beat reporters come up with different opinions? Obviously NO news is coming out of Redskins Park.

ESPN reported this morning that Julius Peppers wants out of Carolina.....he does not want to be franchised and does not want a long term deal....simply wants out.

On that note (you guys will not like this) Zorn was on Larry Michael's show yesterday and was asked about the O line and he seemed happy with the veterans....said that we need to add some players as "backups" or words to that effect. Maybe I "misheard" him.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 17, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Lisa_R I missed that airing. I really wanted to hear what Zorn had to say. I hope they replay it again. I certainly hope that Zorn is playing it close to the vest. I find it hard to believe that Zorn, who repeatedly mentioned how soft the pass pro sets were soft from these guys can be comfortable with this unit. Zorn, like most of the other egomaniac offensive geniuses, wants to show that his system can produce big points and yards. To do that he'll need better play on the OL.

Posted by: TWISI | January 17, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

On that note (you guys will not like this) Zorn was on Larry Michael's show yesterday and was asked about the O line and he seemed happy with the veterans....said that we need to add some players as "backups" or words to that effect. Maybe I "misheard" him.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 17, 2009 9:47 AM |

I believe that to be a thinly veiled attempt at a smokescreen.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 17, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Obviously NO news is coming out of Redskins Park.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 17, 2009 9:47 AM

Lisa, There should be no news coming out of Redskins Park. Guys just came back from vacation, and will turn to assessing their players and needs. Then, after they`ve done their scouting, they will decide what needs to meet in free agency, whether to try to trade for more picks, and what to do with those their picks. If there`s any news right now, it`s all smokescreen.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 17, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, scamp, I learned the word `smokescreen` in freshman English, too.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 17, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Ah yes, but what about "thinly veiled?" Sophomore composition?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 17, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I think you were in the honors section, or else I missed that day. If I`d mastered `thinly veiled` you can be sure it would have been in my post.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 17, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Ah engineering humor. Or in my case Architorture humor.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 17, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Man, that was the toughest way to go through Tech. I don`t know anyone who started in that when I was a freshman who actually graduated in it. The lights were never off in the architecture building.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 17, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Yea, it was tough. Freshman year was the hardest. After that you kind of got used to it. Sometimes there were days without sleep.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 17, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

anyone else feel caught on scamp/TE's first date?

Posted by: chrislarry | January 17, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

anyone else feel caught on scamp/TE's first date?

Posted by: chrislarry | January 17, 2009 10:32 AM
========================================
Jeez, cL. You're not supposed to look!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 17, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

anyone else feel caught on scamp/TE's first date?

Posted by: chrislarry | January 17, 2009 10:32 AM

Hey, you didn`t go to Tech. We don`t expect you to feel the love.

We`ll `report abuse` and Cindy will take all this stuff down when she comes in Sunday to edit the playoff stuff. In the meantime, follow thunder`s advice and don`t look.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 17, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

+++if not Malcolm Amnesia, then Metamucil ...

Posted by: dcsween+++

As Bubba often said regarding injuries, "I never Metamucil that couldn't be pulled or torn."

Posted by: TheCork | January 17, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

+++Cork, what is your official deal ... on that football website ... is it your site? or are you a regular contributor? or a special contributor?

Posted by: dcsween | +++

NFLDraftdog.com is not my website, no. Belongs to a guy named Rob Bryant. You could say I'm a regular contributor, except when I forget my Metamucil. I'll have a new column up, prolly Monday. I'm doing it for love, not money.

Posted by: TheCork | January 17, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse


++++Maybe LT's torn groin ligament is a more serious injury than SD let on... although, I can't see them relying on Sproles as a primary RB.

Posted by: siris +++

Believe Parcells said he doesn't draft RBs up high because of their short shelf life. Even the great ones rarely last as long as you'd like

Posted by: TheCork | January 17, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

+++"If there`s a bone sticking out of his skin, he`ll probably have a shorter wait.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 16, 2009"

Your humor is again less than tasteful. That happened to Joe Theismann. It was not a good thing.

Posted by: periculum++++

Tasteful? People are doing Lincoln assassination jokes, and Theismann ain't no Lincoln.

For a period of time AFTER his gruesome injury, that joke would be tasteless, but the statute of limitations has long since passed.

And funny or not, anyone who's been to an emergency room can see the validity of the comment.

Sorry, I get defensive about PI and humor.

Posted by: TheCork | January 17, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

May Captain Sullenberger fly you whereever you want to go...

Posted by: TheCork | January 16, 2009 4:53 PM

To early for that one, maybe next week

Posted by: GreatOne1+++


GreatOne1, this was meant with respect. it means, if Bubba flies, i want a guy at the wheel with the best shot of getting him down safely during an emergency.

As a big aviation buff, I think Sully's landing may qualify as the best one ever on this orb. (Armstrong's work on the Moon, may surpass it.)

Posted by: TheCork | January 17, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I'm kinda hoggin' the board this AM, but TE's lil Cheer...

Rootie toot toot
Roogie toot toot
We are the boys from the Institute
We don`t smoke
And we don`t chew
And we don`t go with girls that do!

...reminded me of one I recall from the the time the O'Connell Knights travelled to Norfolk for a fubbal game.

We are the girls of Norfolk High
We don't smoke
We don't drink
Norfolk! Norfolk!

Nobody sad nostalgia has to be funny...


Posted by: TheCork | January 17, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

IT would be real nice if we could go after J. Peppers, that guy is a beast. Then we could concentrate on drafting O-Line men and LB to start succession planning.

Posted by: mhartz1 | January 17, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Zorn was on Larry Michael's show yesterday and was asked about the O line and he seemed happy with the veterans....said that we need to add some players as "backups" or words to that effect. Maybe I "misheard" him.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 17, 2009 9:47 AM

Even if it isn't smokescreen, Zorn already got his position choice in the draft. The deciders will be The Owner and the EVP, not the head coach.

Posted by: dcsween | January 17, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

anyone else feel caught on scamp/TE's first date?

Posted by: chrislarry | January 17, 2009 10:32 AM |

Sorry buddy, just getting nostalgic (sp?). GT was a tough, defining moment in my life and I don't often find people from there to discuss it. Sorry you don't feel the love CL. If you like we can find some similarities to reminisce about so you to can feel the love.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 17, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

On that note (you guys will not like this) Zorn was on Larry Michael's show yesterday and was asked about the O line and he seemed happy with the veterans....said that we need to add some players as "backups" or words to that effect. Maybe I "misheard" him.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 17, 2009 9:47 AM
===========================================
J.Z. probably figures that with another year of seasoning under their belts, the youngsters² on the O.L. will be ready to make it through a full year at a high level.

²RT Jon Jansen (age 33)
RG Randy Thomas (age 33)
C Casey Rabach (turns 32 two weeks later)
LG Pete Kendell (age 36)
LT Chris Samuels (age 32)
(Age as of the 1st week of play in 2009.)
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 17, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Corky, wasn't Buzz Aldrin pilot of the lunar module? I think he should get credit for that landing.

But of course that glory hound Armstrong gets all the credit, as usual. Dude muffed his one line of dialogue, too. Ah well.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 17, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Dont like Peppers short term , that sounds like big money for a guy who's gonna coast for a couple more seasons, go for stats, over pursue, make a couple plays, and quit, Lavar, is that you over there????

Posted by: jefferboy | January 17, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator

Your correct CSI-style analysis of the scene of the 2008 Redskins' draft further proves the GM--and Devin Thomas by contractual association- guilty of poor decision making.

With the Skins taking Thomas in the 2nd round, but still needing a young addition to the d-line, both the Malcolm Kelly and Fred Davis (who I do like) stand as major over-reaches: another charge.

Taking a young d-linemen with the 3rd in the 2008 Draft would've blocked the foolish need to bring in Jason Taylor--thus saving a 2nd and 6th round pick in this year's draft.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Taking a young d-linemen with the 3rd in the 2008 Draft would've blocked the foolish need to bring in Jason Taylor--thus saving a 2nd and 6th round pick in this year's draft.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse
Unfortunately true. But you have to admit, 20/20 hindsight.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 17, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Zorn already got his position choice in the draft. The deciders will be The Owner and the EVP, not the head coach.

Posted by: dcsween | January 17, 2009 11:35 AM

My own guess is that the second round selections in last year`s draft were heavily influenced by Zorn. If so, then this year he probably won`t have as much influence as last.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 17, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Let's assume Devin Thomas steps up and becomes the 2nd receiver. What would be acceptable? By that, I mean, what would keep DT from being rated a failure? 48 receptions(3/gm), 480 yds?

Posted by: frediefritz | January 17, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

t_e_, that was my point. Mulligans are only for new guys who make it to the playoffs.

Posted by: dcsween | January 17, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

t_e_, that was my point. Mulligans are only for new guys who make it to the playoffs.

Posted by: dcsween | January 17, 2009 2:15 PM

Okay! You convinced me! What`s your take on the house-cleaning in Tampa and where do you think Gruden and Allen end up?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 17, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Here`s what Peter King writes about Gruden and Allen. They sound like the Redskins owner and GM:

`Gruden's impenetrable veneer surely didn't help him with the Glazer family, either. He and Allen, one league rival said Friday night, ran the team like the Nixon White House, communicating poorly with the public and running the teams with an our-way-or-the-highway approach, even when the results of the team didn't merit regal treatment from the public or the media.`

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 17, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

free Agents of Interest-

RBs- (as a backup to portis)

Darren Sproles- He would immediatley solve the problems on punt returns and is a threat to take it back every time. We could then trade betts for a mid draft pick

Maurice Morris- more of a prototypical backup than Betts. Unlike betts, morris isnt a back who needs to get in a rythm, he does well with limited carries

Wide Recievers-

Bobby Engram- He played with Zorn in seattle, so he is already familiar with the ever elusive system, so he would be a good insurance policy to replace thrash.

O line-

Jordan Gross- he's only 28 and is a very good tackle, so if we sign him, look for us to draft D-line/Linebacker

Marvel Smith- He has been hurt before, and is 30, but he will come cheap and is one of the NFL's best tackles when healthy. Could be a huge bargain for 2-3 years

Jason Brown (Guard)- He's an under rated player, and can swing to center if needed, played there this year. 25 years old. would give stability to the interior line.

Punter- *****

Shane Lechler- He has a cannon leg, pro bowl punter, easiest way to improve this is here, and is only about 400 K more than plackensausage. Worst season he had was 42.5 yds per kick, which is better than Big #1 this year. Averaged 49.8 yds per this year. He is a Must have.


Posted by: DaFunBunch | January 17, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

By that, I mean, what would keep DT from being rated a failure? 48 receptions(3/gm), 480 yds?

Posted by: frediefritz | January 17, 2009 1:54 PM

He needs to be way better than that in his 2nd year if we have any chance to be good.

Agreed on getting Lechler or a new punter. They should do the same at kicker. Shayne Graham or someone better than the worst rated kicker Suisham.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | January 17, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Decision made: Spanuolo to be the next Rams’ coach
Posted: Adam Schefter | Adam Schefter | Tags: New York Giants, St. Louis Rams, Steve Spagnuolo

The St. Louis Rams have hired Steve Spagnuolo as their head coach, giving him a four-year, $11.5 million contract.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | January 17, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

IF SD really is looking to Shop LT then Sproles isn't going anywhere. God SD is stupid. LT STILL had 1100+ yards and 11 TD's despite missing several games to injury. LT injured still outperformed many starters.

That guard Jason Brown sounds intriguing...

I personally think we shoudl trade all of our picks to New England for a bowl of clam chowder and then Sign Lavar Arrington to a 12 year 190 million dollar deal with 80 mil guaranteed.

Posted by: ecale25 | January 17, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

ANYONE is better than Suisham. I'd rather have an epileptic, one legged, autistic child for a kicker.

I've been wanting them to fire suisham for like four years now. Maybe this year I will get my wish.

Posted by: ecale25 | January 17, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Taking a young d-linemen with the 3rd in the 2008 Draft would've blocked the foolish need to bring in Jason Taylor--thus saving a 2nd and 6th round pick in this year's draft.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse
Unfortunately true. But you have to admit, 20/20 hindsight.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 17, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Too true, fredie.

Mista, please don't pull a "LaCanfora" on us. Unless you were poo-pooing the move WHEN IT HAPPENED, we should be spared the "only-if" game.

Posted by: p1funk | January 17, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Now to the Defense-

D line-

Julius Peppers- realistically i hope we dont, it wouldnt work, too much money.

Albert Haynesworth- ^^^

Jovan Haye- DT is only 26 and had a really good year before this one. He was battling nagging injuries and didnt do as well this year, but is the type of tackle who can collapse the pocket (68 tackles and 6 sacks in 07).

Line Backers-

Ray Lewis- Will probably be re-signed

Terrel Suggs- Shoulder issues and large money demands will block this. He probably would be a good fit in our system.

Karlos Dansby- Here is one i really like. This guy is a young up and coming linebacker. He played outside LB for his first couple of seasons, then switched to ILB and posted 119 tackles last year. We could stick him at Washington's spot and swith to inside when Fletcher is gone.

Mike Peterson- This guy has been a stud, but he had a run in with the coach in Jacksonville, and is now an FA. He is a coach on the field type of player.

Bart Scott- Probably will be resigned, but if he is on the market, hes a guy worth looking at. ONe of the top LBs in the league, but is undervalued because Ray Lewis gets most of the attention in Charm City.

Jonathen Vilma- Hes still young, came back from injury to have 137 tackles, 1 interception and 3 sacks. has had 100 + tackles last 5 years except shortened 07. had 173 tackles in 2005. Still only 26 years old.

Michael Boley- Started as a rookie for atlanta and has been in the lineup ever since. Very solid at strong LB, only 26. Very underrated, but a strong contributor.

Channing Crowder- Just turned 25, has started for the dolphins. really good athleticism and size, is sideline to sideline line backer. very good player with lots of room to develop.

Jordan Beck- more of a developmental project, he is a great athlete but is still raw and learning the position. Fletcher would really help this guy learn how to play and prepare for the games, he will be an above average NFL linebacker down the road.

Defensive Backs-

Nnamdi Asomugha- make of it what you want

Dawan Landry- the two brothers together would be interesting.

Dunta Robinson- This depends how "I like Rogers/I like Hall/ I like both" shakes out. He very young, and came back nicely from an injury. Was one of the top Cbs in the league and was returning to form last season.

Posted by: DaFunBunch | January 17, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Darren Sproles- He would immediatley solve the problems on punt returns and is a threat to take it back every time. We could then trade betts for a mid draft pick
++++++++++++++++++

And who, exactly, would take our oft-injured back-up running back for a mid-round pick?

Posted by: p1funk | January 17, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

My take on the Free agents is we should adress line with one signee, def one of the line backers plus beck, there is so much talent at LB that it will be cheaper than usual. IMO Dansby or Crowder or Vilma and then Beck. Jovan Haye would be nice if he comes cheap and you have a 3-4 player free agent class, not very expenseive, young solid players who will stabilize the team.

Posted by: DaFunBunch | January 17, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Jordan Gross- he's only 28 and is a very good tackle, so if we sign him, look for us to draft D-line/Linebacker

++++++++++

I'll pass. We're gonna have to overpay for him and he'll be 29 when the season begins, which gives us one season out of him before he hits the dreaded 30's when knees begin to buckles and injuries take longer to heal. By the time the rest of this team develops around him, he's gonna be past his prime.

But I'll take Engram as my slot guy and a player-mentor for the young bucks...

Posted by: p1funk | January 17, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

If we get rid of griff and springs and washington, you have the money/cap space and roster spots for these guys, and its not a 1 year fix like usual.

Posted by: DaFunBunch | January 17, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Re: Gruden.

If I'm him, I'm laying the full-blown "Chuckie" treatment on the organization on my way out.

It's one thing to fire a guy; it's another thing to wait and do it when all the other teams looking for head coaches have either (1) found their guy or (2) have their finalists already lined up.

Posted by: p1funk | January 17, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Darren Sproles- He would immediatley solve the problems on punt returns and is a threat to take it back every time. We could then trade betts for a mid draft pick
++++++++++++++++++

And who, exactly, would take our oft-injured back-up running back for a mid-round pick?

Posted by: p1funk | January 17, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

My bad, i forgot we werent allowed to trade with ourselves

Posted by: DaFunBunch | January 17, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

pfunk

Moe was against the J Taylor move and felt the team needed interior o-line help in last year's draft.

Moe ain't Jasno. Moe sees things ahead of time, not after.

Moe is moe always bro'

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I think the Larry Michael interview with Zorn will be repeated on Monday and Tuesday but the link to the interview is below.....Zorn said he thinks our O line is solid but can be improved and that if we draft an O lineman high he must come in and be "the guy."

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Zorn_Updates_Redskins__Roster_Meetings_31076.jsp

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 17, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, you heard the interview, and you see and read a lot more than some of us (like me) do, so... what do you think? Do you think the Skins will make D line and O line a priority in free agency and the draft? Do you think they should make the lines a priority?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 17, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Jasno --

Any chance this and Simmons' retiring is related to the 20 people fired by the Skins? Is this similar to Tony's buyout? ;^)

From your WaPo story: "The departures included several of the longest-serving members of the organization, including some who worked for owner Daniel Snyder previously at Snyder Communications."

This sounds suspiciously similar with Bubba and Rennie.

Posted by: WorstSeat | January 17, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Nate, to answer your question...yes and yes.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 17, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

I think next year's draft will have better prospects for the defensive line.

This year is great for offensive tackle and center (not that I'm convinced yet that we should use the 13th pick in the draft on the 5th highest ranked O.T., if it comes to that).

Furthermore, we've got too many holes and too few draft picks to fix it all this year. So I sez our number one priority is the offensive line.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 17, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Peppers wants out of Carolina. 'The Skins should do whatever they need to do to get him, he's one of the best there is:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3839736

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 17, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

The interesting side story to the Gruden firing is the backstabbing player who called "Chuckie" two-faced.

Gruden will get a tv job and kiss the coaching profession good-bye until the Danny calls.

I wonder if he'll be taking a heliocopter ride to Redskins' Park sometime next January.

Zorn is on the clock.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Re: Gruden.

If I'm him, I'm laying the full-blown "Chuckie" treatment on the organization on my way out.

It's one thing to fire a guy; it's another thing to wait and do it when all the other teams looking for head coaches have either (1) found their guy or (2) have their finalists already lined up.

Posted by: p1funk | January 17, 2009 3:20 PM |

Huh? Don`t cry for Gruden. He has a contract. He`s getting paid the same salary next year whether he coaches 16 games in Tampa or spends his year fishing. He has a nice break from coaching at Tampa`s expense.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 17, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if he'll be taking a heliocopter ride to Redskins' Park sometime next January.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2009 8:18 PM

No. Neither the owner nor John Gruden would ever think twice about working with the other.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 17, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

No splash in FA huh? I say YES!!!! One splash....and a huge need...Peppers wants out of Carolina and won't sign long term there and will hit the Market...I say go for it!

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9092360/Peppers-won't-sign-long-term-deal-with-Panthers

Posted by: leevi98 | January 17, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I see someone already posted that Sorry :)

Posted by: leevi98 | January 17, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Peppers wants out of Carolina. 'The Skins should do whatever they need to do to get him, he's one of the best there is:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3839736

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 17, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Peppers, apparently, wants to play in a 3-4 defense. We don't play a 3-4 and so he likely won't be coming here.

I take this as a blessing - we don't have to flirt with the temptation of overpaying an almost-30-year-old defensive end who has already had injury issues.

Posted by: p1funk | January 17, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Huh? Don`t cry for Gruden. He has a contract. He`s getting paid the same salary next year whether he coaches 16 games in Tampa or spends his year fishing. He has a nice break from coaching at Tampa`s expense.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 17, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Who's crying for Gruden???

All I'm saying is that if I'm Gruden and I still wanted to coach, I would feel justified egging the office on my way out.

Posted by: p1funk | January 17, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

I agree with everyone who says dont go for Gross from Carolina...This is the year to use our first pick on an OT. The list of quality tackles who could be there at #13 is pretty deep and we would pay MUCH less.

I also agree with trying to trade Betts for a mid round pick if possible and sign Sproles in FA. Then use the pick on an interior Olineman.

Definitely sign Engram who should be solid and knowledgeable at WR.

With our originigal 3rd rd pick you take a DE.

Sign Dansby to shore up the Linebackers. He would come cheaper and he is a great player entering his prime.

We could still maybe have the dough to sign the DT Haye from ATL. (doubtful tho)

Those would be the only type of players id bring in..about 3 or 4 solid FA's

Make the obvious in house moves getting rid of Griffin, Washington, Springs, JTaylor, Kendall, Fabini, Thrash. Lots of cap room to work with. Dont sign any HUGE name FA's and draft well next year. With all those moves there is no reason why the team cannot compete next year.

Posted by: jeffco01 | January 17, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

So Spagnolo disses us last year but takes the Rams job this year? Either he wanted a bigger challenge or that tells you what people think about our FO. Sad...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 17, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

So Spagnolo disses us last year but takes the Rams job this year? Either he wanted a bigger challenge or that tells you what people think about our FO. Sad...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 17, 2009 11:07 PM
============================================
Here's what I think of our F.O.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 17, 2009 11:36 PM | Report abuse

++So Spagnolo disses us last year but takes the Rams job this year? Either he wanted a bigger challenge or that tells you what people think about our FO. Sad...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 17, 2009 11:07 PM
============================================
Here's what I think of our F.O.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 17, 2009 11:36 PM ++

It's Terrible!!!!!!

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 18, 2009 1:35 AM | Report abuse

Raheem Morris is the new head coach of the Tampa Bay Bucs.

Yeah, I'm like, "Who did they hire?" too.

But When you look at all the recent head coaching hires from Zorn to Morris over the past couple of years, owners seem to want guys who are invisible running their teams on the field.

No big personality types.

No 'larger than life' personalities.

It kinda explains why the following guys--Shottenheimer, Billick, Mariucci, Gruden, Martz, Green, Grilliams-- aren't re-hires, are assistants or are unemployed.

Documented Steve Spurrier/Butch Davis' failures have blocked the idea of reaching into the college ranks for a HC.

Unless it's Iowa's Kirk Ferentz.

Owners want guys who are employees who don't ask and don't tell on a level that makes them celebrities.

Finally, they get the idea that the stars should be the guys between the white lines
not on the sideline.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 18, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

So Spagnolo disses us last year but takes the Rams job this year? Either he wanted a bigger challenge or that tells you what people think about our FO. Sad...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 17, 2009 11:07 PM

Nah, don`t be so glum, chum. Does everything that happens have to be an indictment of the Redskins front office?

I can think of a thousand other reasons. First thing that came to my mind is that he thought the Giants would win it all again this year and he wanted to be a part of it. Second thing is that it`s a lot easier to compete in the NFC West than the NFC East. Third thing is that he was buzzing a New York Giants cheerleader but she dumped him for the punter Jeff Feagles. Etc.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 18, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

That and the fact that it's retreads or new blood. There's got to be new blood eventually.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 18, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Could be just that TE.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 18, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Scamp--Here`s another possible reason from ESPN `Spagnuolo is close friends with the Rams' new general manager, Billy Devaney, so that obviously played a large role in the decision.` Personally, I`m sticking with the cheerleader thing. Cheerleaders run most NFL teams.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 18, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Do we have any real evidence that Spags was even offered the Skins head coaching job - other than by reporters who assume the worst?

Spags has interviewed with several teams and it was reported that he was not interviewing well. So could it be remotely possible that he did not interview well with the Skins last year? They have never admitted - at least to the best of my knowledge - that the job was ever offered to Spags.

Also heard that Rex Ryan was the Rams first choice, followed by another coach whose name escapes me, with Spags being third and the only reason they hired him is they thought another team might snatch him up if they waited another few days to 2 weeks to interview Ryan.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 18, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I think it's just because he doesn't want any high expectations.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 18, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

scampbell

The only firing/hiring issue I have is with the Bucs.

C'mon, Gruden won a Super Bowl in '01 for a franchise that has basically no real memorable winning history, and he gets fired because the team has a late season collapse in '08?

Then he gets replaced by a guy who, well, who, well, who, 'um, let's see, he, 'um--oh, what the hell, he got replaced by a guy who could carry Keyshawn Johnson's jock strap.

Perhaps Monte Kiffin leaving for UTenn gave the Glazers the opening they needed to fire Gruden and continue the losing collapse of '08 into '09.

Hopefully, the Bucs return to their usual and historical soft-spot status on the NFL schedule.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 18, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Could be Lisa. Would be nice to be a fly on the wall during these processes just to see what really goes on.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 18, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Make the obvious in house moves getting rid of Griffin, Washington, Springs, JTaylor, Kendall, Fabini, Thrash. Lots of cap room to work with. Dont sign any HUGE name FA's and draft well next year. With all those moves there is no reason why the team cannot compete next year.

Posted by: jeffco01 | January 17, 2009 9:46 PM

Compete for what? 4th place in the NFC east?

With four picks in the draft what makes you think you can then replace four starters on defense and one starter on offense? Sure you cleared $20M in cap space but you now have only one starting d-lineman under contract - Carter. Evans, Golston and Montgomery are unrestricted FAs. Now Rogers, Smoot, and Tryon are your corners under contract.

So suddenly that #4 ranked defense is needing not just a presence on the line but to replace or resign eight significant contributors: Taylor, Evans, Griffin, Montgomery, Golston, Washington, Springs, and Hall.

In addition to LG you still need to upgrade at RT or do you stick with Heyer/Jansen?

My point is that there isn't appropriate talent left on the roster to help with the phasing out of some of the oft injured. That $20M isn't going to go far unless other guys are working their contracts to create more room.

If you assume that the #13 pick will start right away, four free agents would have to be signed.

Changing five solid starters to just a guys rarely makes you competitive.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 18, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Yea Moe, that one baffles me too. Apparently Gruden was absolutely unapproachable and uncompromising. Sounds like a whole lot of other great, Superbowl winning coaches of yesteryear. I guess it's a new day and age where owners egos must be stroked. I'm not saying that Gruden was great by any stretch. Actually I attribute much of Tampa's early sucess while he was there to Dungy, but he was pretty good. He'll get a job coaching in the NFL again.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 18, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Why would Spags want to coach here when the FO already selected both coordinators. That was never going to happen

Posted by: bangkokben | January 18, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

"Why would Spags want to coach here when the FO already selected both coordinators. That was never going to happen

Posted by: bangkokben"

Then why in heck did he even interview - and for almost 2 flippin' days at that?

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 18, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Lisa it was reported by all corners of the NFL world that Spags interviewed and turned down the job here mostly b/c he couldn't pick his staff as Blache/Zorn on down were basically in place. I really don't think that is debatable. Also doesn't have to be read as huge indictment of front office...jobs aren't right for people all the time and we dont even see how he will b e as HC yet.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 18, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

"Posted by: bangkokben"

Then why in heck did he even interview - and for almost 2 flippin' days at that? "

Because he had to see, maybe try to convine them/be persuaded, b/c when your name is hot you always take the interview, b/c he was doing his due dillengence, b/c he was practicing his skill at HC interview, b/c he was scouting the Redskins plans as his job as Giants DC, b/c the money was hard to resist, b/c he likes steak dinners, b/c he was falttered, b/c its not smart to close doors.......

Posted by: chrislarry | January 18, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Lisa,

As in all jobs, you go to the interview to see what is there. Once you discover something there that you don't like, you explore if change is a possibility. If it isn't you decide whether you can live with it or not.

In the end, I think he saw that his success was so dependent on things he couldn't control. Not only could he not have normal coaching control but he could be fired by those making the mistakes.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 18, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Up here in NY their was no maybe about what happened in that he turned down the job, every media reported it. Also the national cats at Fox, ESPN, NFL Network, the story was told on MNF in a way that Spags told the Tirico and company how it went down himself.....

Sometimes I think us Skins fans like the misinformation, up is down approach Snyder has cultivated around here..

Beleive nothing unless from press release issues from central command....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 18, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Well, I guess we will see how Spags does with the Rams....and how the Giants will do without him. I imagine the Giants will be just fine :( Although they looked like a different team without Plaxico.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 18, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I think the Giants will be fine too.

New subject:

Is Andy Reid the best coach of the four coaches left?

Posted by: bangkokben | January 18, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

All I can say is: Go CARDINALS! Go Steelers!

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 18, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

+++So Spagnolo disses us last year but takes the Rams job this year? Either he wanted a bigger challenge or that tells you what people think about our FO. Sad...

Posted by: scampbell1975 +++

Funny thing about Head coaches. A lot of them like to hire their own staff. Plus, he may have compared the Giants draftees over the past decade with the Redskins, and realized Vinny would be the guy picking the ammo for his team.

Remember the redskins FO CLAIMS they were convinced Zorn so impressed them they HAD to hire him. A more likely reality is they couldn't find anyone good who wanted the gig, for the reasons listed above.

Posted by: TheCork | January 18, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

+++I also agree with trying to trade Betts for a mid round pick if possible+++

This is a real Rorshacht test for delusional posters. Canadian teams wouldn't give up a mid-rounder for Betts. Heck, the Arena League wouldn't give up a mid-rounder for Betts and they're out of business.

The ONLY offer to date is The Raiders, who offered the 'skins a ninth rounder for Betts and the Rights to Billy Kilmer.

There's only one way to pull this off. Send a fleet of hookers to other owner's suites and catch them in an unspeakable act with a Hoo-ha cam.

Posted by: TheCork | January 18, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

What do all four conference finalists have in common? The Cowboys lost to all of them this season. I wonder how many winning teams (yes, I use the term loosely) in NFL history can make that claim. I don't know if that's good or bad, it just sort of is...what it is...without apology.

The recent detection of methane gas on Mars leads me to believe there are probably guys up there watching football.

Although I'm a big fan, I may be suffering a bit of Obama overexposure. Can we just inaugurate the guy and commence ignoring him like every other President? 4-12, if you're still out there, can you tell me how the sjk I'm gonna get to work on Tuesday.

Stillers 26 - 10 Ravens
Eagles 33 - 27 Cardinals

Enjoy the last real day of football for about 218 days everyone.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 18, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

There's only one way to pull this off. Send a fleet of hookers to other owner's suites and catch them in an unspeakable act with a Hoo-ha cam.

Posted by: TheCork | January 18, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

What is the proper name for a group of hookers. A rookery of hookery? A flamboyance, like flamingos? A colony, as in beavers. A gaggle, as in geese? A prickle, as in porcupines?

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 18, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

The recent detection of methane gas on Mars leads me to believe there are probably guys up there watching football

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 18, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I think you are on to something, smack. The reports did note that the significant methane clouds were observed on Sunday afternoons.

Too much chili for the tailgate party, maybe?

Posted by: frediefritz | January 18, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

An embarrassment of prostitutes? Apt for most cities' public officials, especially those who get caught with one of them, plus you have the "bare ass" pun right there in the middle.

I know I'm in the minority in this crowd, but I'm rooting for the Eagles to represent the NFC East in the big game, and rooting for the Steelers as I have all along in the AFC.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 18, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

Do you think McNabb will join our beloved Doug Williams in SB quarterback history?

Posted by: swowra | January 18, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

The only reason Tyer came back was for St. Joe.

Don Breaux, Bubba Tyer, Rene Simmons and Buges were all coaxed out of retirememnt by St. Joe, in an effort to put "Humpty Dumpty Back Together Again."

Well, all the kings horses and all the kings men couldn't put Humpty back together again. So, they are all leaving the Emperor without Clothes in mass.

The little owner/GM couldn't even find someone that wanted to coach the team last year and had to settle on promoting Zorn from a position he was hired for only a week before naming him the head coach. So, when Joe Bugel goes back to Arizona, Vinny & the Emperor will be left all alone.

2009 doesn't bode well for the Danomen. Fans better had stock up on a full supply of blinders and liquor!

Posted by: duru44 | January 18, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see it, swowra. Again, I'm probably in the minority here, but I've always liked Donovan and wished him every success... except against the maroon and black.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 18, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

++++Corky, wasn't Buzz Aldrin pilot of the lunar module? I think he should get credit for that landing.

But of course that glory hound Armstrong gets all the credit, as usual. Dude muffed his one line of dialogue, too. Ah well.

Posted by: NateinthePDX+++

Armstrong landed the Eagle. He as the opposite of a glory hound, staying resolutely out of the spotlight as much as possible. It was a great landing as he was almost Bingo fuell when he finally found a place safe to put the lander down. You can probably find one of his test flights on earth with a "flying bedstead" that malfunctioned in flight. Armstrong eject a second or two before he'd have been killed.

He did blow his big line, tho.

FWI. A HS friend of mine, who went to work for Merill Lynch, caught rotation duty one day in the 15th street office. That's the broker who sits up at a front desk and gets the walk in clients. Most brokers don't like it.

Who comes wandering in, years after his moon landing but Armstrong, looking for a broker. No muss no fuss, he became my friend's client.

I think Sully may be cut from the same cloth. I notice he hasn't been running around doing interviews...

Posted by: TheCork | January 18, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

++++What is the proper name for a group of hookers. A rookery of hookery? A flamboyance, like flamingos? A colony, as in beavers. A gaggle, as in geese? A prickle, as in porcupines?

Posted by: SMACK1 +++


Excellent questions. The easy answer is there aint' nothing proper about a group of hookers.

But since the very term "Hooker" came from a Civil War General, I think "A Union of Hookers" or "A Confederacy of Hookers" might work.

But a " Prickle" seems more appropriate for their customers, wouldn't you say?

Posted by: TheCork | January 18, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

What do you think?
Option 1
Sign Julius Peppers
Trade down in 1st and get a 2nd round pick.
Draft Duke Robinson late in the first.
Draft Clay Mathews in 2nd round.

Option 2
Sign Julius Pepper
Sign Angelo Crowell
Draft Michael Oher

Option 3
Sign Kynan Forney - G
Draft Everette Brown or Michael Johnson
Sign Angelo Crowell

Posted by: Redskins001 | January 18, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse


"As in all jobs, you go to the interview to see what is there. Once you discover something there that you don't like, you explore if change is a possibility. If it isn't you decide whether you can live with it or not.

In the end, I think he saw that his success was so dependent on things he couldn't control. Not only could he not have normal coaching control but he could be fired by those making the mistakes.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 18, 2009"

Very, very, apt and almost profound observation ...

But if you would consider replacing Spagnolo with Joe Gibbs and why he left. Then I think you would be dead on.


Posted by: periculum | January 18, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Funny thing about Head coaches. A lot of them like to hire their own staff. Plus, he may have compared the Giants draftees over the past decade with the Redskins, and realized Vinny would be the guy picking the ammo for his team.

Posted by: TheCork | January 18, 2009 11:52 AM

Not even close, Cork. Spags took a look at Redskins Insider and said `What a prickle of posters, a flamboyance of flamers. I`m not getting myself into that mess.` Whereas he judged `Rams Insider` to be composed of a gaggle of gentlemen. I read this on ESPN.

It was you, Cork, who sent him away.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 18, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

"What do you think?
Option 1
Sign Julius Peppers
Trade down in 1st and get a 2nd round pick.
Draft Duke Robinson late in the first.
Draft Clay Mathews in 2nd round.

Option 2
Sign Julius Pepper
Sign Angelo Crowell
Draft Michael Oher

Option 3
Sign Kynan Forney - G
Draft Everette Brown or Michael Johnson
Sign Angelo Crowell"

Pretty much NO to all of the above. They need talented, athletic tackles, at least before even considering a guard. That means someone like Ebon Brittion and his ilk,

According to Peppers the main reason he wants to leave his home in Carolina is because he feels more comfortable in a 3-4. Carolina runs a 4-3. The Redskins run a 4-3. I rather doubt you will see Julius Peppers in Washington.

Posted by: periculum | January 18, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

"except against the maroon and black.
Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 18, 2009"

Maroon and gold. Donovan should win this one ... if he doesn't it will be all on the him and the rest of the Eagles. They know they will have no excuses, no reasonable explanations ....

Posted by: periculum | January 18, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

+++ Does everything that happens have to be an indictment of the Redskins front office?


Posted by: talent_evaluator++++

Cheap shot, T_E.

Here's a partial list of things not blamed on the Redksins FO. I'm sure others have some more suggestions.

Phlegm
The heartbreak of Psoriasis
Global Warming
Blagojevich's hair
Trump's Hair
Amy WInehouse's hair
Charles Barkley's driving.
Why CDs are so hard to get open
Pistachio nuts that are sealed
Seal
Reality TV (except dancing with the Stars' contestant jason taylor)
Godfather III
Chewing gum on the bedpost losing flavor overnight.
Leno's new 10 o'clock timeslot
Gingivitis
Kirstie Alley's continuing weight issues
Why there is no Richard Simmons Jr.
Kathy Lee Gifford
The People's Choice Awards

Posted by: TheCork | January 18, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Spags took a look at Redskins Insider and said `What a prickle of posters,

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 18, 2009 2:14 PM

Or did he say `a prickle of periculums`?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 18, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

"So Spagnolo disses us last year but takes the Rams job this year?"

I think I like Blache a lot better. But that's me.

Posted by: periculum | January 18, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Or Tinkerbelle Talent Evaluators who think they can fix teams bv waving their magic wands of prognostication.

"Or did he say `a prickle of periculums`?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 18, 2009"

Posted by: periculum | January 18, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

+++Not even close, Cork. Spags took a look at Redskins Insider and said `What a prickle of posters, a flamboyance of flamers. I`m not getting myself into that mess.` Whereas he judged `Rams Insider` to be composed of a gaggle of gentlemen. I read this on ESPN.

It was you, Cork, who sent him away.

Posted by: talent_evaluator+++

Ah yuh big lug, you flatter me.

And I too am sure that someone who has worked in New York City on a team covered by NYC media, is utterly unused to critical comments, hence forced to flee to the outlying hinterlands of St. Louis.

Posted by: TheCork | January 18, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Here's a partial list of things not blamed on the Redksins FO.

Posted by: TheCork | January 18, 2009 2:19 PM

I think you have missed too many posts, Cork.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 18, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

"An embarrassment of prostitutes? Apt for most cities' public officials, especially those who get caught with one of them, plus you have the "bare ass" pun right there in the middle."

Except in Marin County (named after an Italian natch), Montgomery's competition for world's richest county. The only place I know where you can pick up the County newspaper look a the ads and find a TON offering their services as a "wicken, buddhist, taoist sex therapist. Seems like legal prostitution to me ... :)

Posted by: periculum | January 18, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I think prostitutes refer to clients as "Johns".

Posted by: periculum | January 18, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

find a TON offering their services as a "wicken, buddhist, taoist sex therapist. Seems like legal prostitution to me ... :)

Posted by: periculum | January 18, 2009 2:26 PM

Ah, Marin! Do you have any idea, Mr. Perky, which sex therapy works best -- wicken, buddhist, or taoist? Not from personal experience, of course, but from say, word of mouth recommendations?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 18, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Obama might post here. Be careful. :)

Posted by: periculum | January 18, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"Ah, Marin! Do you have any idea, Mr. Perky, which sex therapy works best -- wicken, buddhist, or taoist? Not from personal experience, of course, but from say, word of mouth recommendations?"

Not sure Spud.

There's a recent but kind of dated saying that applies most especially to Marin. All California girls are easy. Why pay a prostitute when you can have 10 times more fun, 10 times more great sex just dating the bevy of beautiful women that reside in those parts.


Posted by: periculum | January 18, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Obama might post here. Be careful. :)

Posted by: periculum | January 18, 2009 2:29 PM

He may already be posting as, say, Liberal Mike or TheTruth. Didn`t we have a few Obama names during the election campaign? BarackintheORD?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 18, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

beep beep. move over, just 'cuz.

Posted by: CindyBoren | January 18, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

This is a real Rorshacht test for delusional posters. Canadian teams wouldn't give up a mid-rounder for Betts. Heck, the Arena League wouldn't give up a mid-rounder for Betts and they're out of business.

The ONLY offer to date is The Raiders, who offered the 'skins a ninth rounder for Betts and the Rights to Billy Kilmer.

There's only one way to pull this off. Send a fleet of hookers to other owner's suites and catch them in an unspeakable act with a Hoo-ha cam.

Posted by: TheCork | January 18, 2009 12:01 PM |

At least we agree on something. I was trying to tell people the other day that with the glut of RB's out there and with Betts only having 1 1000 yard season he ain't worth poo on the trade market. Anyone who thinks we'll get a midrounder for him is straight nuts.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 18, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

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