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Unexpected Unrestricted

We really didn't plan to do "Unrestricted" today, but Jason wanted to. I really have no power to stop him, so here it is. In this episode, JReid breaks down the principles of the West Coast offense -- you know, that thing Jim Zorn is trying to install here with the Redskins. Enjoy this, and enjoy your weekend ...

By Jon DeNunzio  |  June 6, 2008; 2:43 PM ET
 
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Wow FIRZ

Posted by: Truth | June 6, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

lair lair, underpants on fire.

Posted by: Stumped | June 6, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

ITT we discuss new running back tandem nicknames other than Thunder & Lightning :


Beavis & Butthead
Salt & Pepper
Shake & Bake
Potato & Pa-tah-toe

Posted by: Truth | June 6, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Jason,
You're Rockin the Maroon jersey.

Posted by: Stumped | June 6, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

4th--

Nice find on the Archuleta article, but next time if you're going to sneak something "football related" into this blog could you give me a spoiler alert so I can skip on to the mortgage/global warming/political hate posts that this blog is known for?

Baptist Sports Park? Do you have to convert to play there?

Posted by: talent evaluator | June 6, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Yay for the quick title on there, updating the graphics I like it. Yay for Reid wearing a non white shirt.

Posted by: Alex35332 | June 6, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

no more V-necks for the other beat reporter. looks like he has a sweater on under that shirt.

Posted by: Great One | June 6, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Well, all I got was a commercial and a black screen. Great going, guys. Is Jason Reid coming to tomorrow's shinargulous?

Posted by: talent evaluator | June 6, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Thanks JR!

Posted by: Curzon417 | June 6, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Where's another sucky RI video when you need one!!!

Posted by: Redcoat | June 6, 2008 2:40 PM

Posted by: Redgoat!!!! | June 6, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Jason,
You're Rockin the Maroon jersey.
Posted by: Stumped | June 6, 2008 2:48 PM

Now if they could only paint the wall behind him with an appropriate shade of yellow.

Posted by: Doug Wilson | June 6, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

It does look like he is wearing scrubs. Wait is Jason Reid on Scrubs?

Posted by: Alex35332 | June 6, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

te...you continue to bring it up, so I will ask you the question-does having a political viewpoint and presenting that viewpoint really classify as political hate? I understand that corruption often enters politics, but most political views are not inherently hateful in my humble opinion. Taking a stand on something is representative of having a backbone.....not exhibiting hate. Try taking a stand on something. You will find it refreshing.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

The best part about these unrestricted videos is how the start button superimposed over JR's face always looks like some kind of weird, ill-fitting scuba mask.

Posted by: L. Bridges | June 6, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Any chance the shabungus is fun, or is it to be like the bs here today?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for some info on the WC offense. How about something on the D

Posted by: Alex35332 | June 6, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Still hoping to see Diddy's hamster wheel...

Posted by: Stumped | June 6, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Maybe diagram a few plays on that wall...let's see some Xs and Os.

Posted by: Stumped | June 6, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

JR was at the shabingus in Seattle.
Jasno took a lickin, but JR kept on tickin.

Posted by: Stumped | June 6, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I agree that most political views are not hateful. Hate is not in the opinion but in the way it is expressed.

Posted by: talent evaluator | June 6, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

J3 has the 'pinchable cheeks' of a new-born baby!!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey JReid,
Maybe put a green screen up behind you and throw in a fake backdrop of I don't know... change it up every episode to make it comical. Ok that's a completely retarded idea, I will shut up now.

Posted by: BB | June 6, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Redgoat!!!! | June 6, 2008 2:59 PM

I actually thought that was rather prescient of me. Oh well.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 6, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Maybe diagram a few plays on that wall...let's see some Xs and Os.

Posted by: Stumped | June 6, 2008 3:05 PM

I was thinking almost the same thing as I watched the video: if only Jason Reid had some Ross Perot-style charts set up on easels, so he could play with color markers while talking.

And props to Jason for acknowledging the Blair Witch aspect of the earliest attempts of WaPo's Fractured Football Follies.

Posted by: Topper | June 6, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

24 hours on the floo(u)r.
Is all the MaxGain+ out of my system? I will now begin the process of stand

Posted by: RedMoat | June 6, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Whenever I see the 'unrestricted' thingie it reminds me of a friend years ago telling me about a concert he was at in the UK where some Samoan rappers called 'Boo-Ya Tribe' were on the undercard.

He couldn't remember any of their songs' except one that had a chorus of...

Gangsta Ridd - is what?
Rated R
The Ridd
Restricted, restricted
Come on
(Yeah, yeah!)
The R, muthaf*cka
(Yeah, yeah!)
Restricted
(Yeah, yeah!)
The R, muthaf*cka
(Yeah, yeah!)
Restricted

The 'song' sounded awful but the image of a spindly white guy trying to imitate it in the middle of an office lives with me to this day.

Sorry for the interruption, I guess I truly an in my anecdotage.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 6, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

he's said "alot of short passes," "get a quarterback in a rythm" way too many times. jasons a good writer, but he stutters and repeats himself way to much to be doing this kind of thing.

even emmitt smith could have done a more interesting job of describing a WCO

Posted by: talkshowhost | June 6, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey JReid,
Maybe put a green screen up behind you and throw in a fake backdrop of I don't know... change it up every episode to make it comical. Ok that's a completely retarded idea, I will shut up now.

Posted by: BB | June 6, 2008 3:10 PM

That was hateful towards the mentally challenged in this world.

You know, you gotta watch every word you say in this world so as not to remotely offend any possible recipient of your message.

Unfortunately, with no truth in this world riddled by rampant relativism, everything we do or say is going to offend somebody.

Posted by: rtucker | June 6, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

food for thought, i was reflecting on how much ESPN hates the redskins and loves the cowboys and started thinking about all those commercials the cowboys did last year. one commercial came to mind, the PEPSI commercial where the Giants defense kills tony romo because no one knows the play, how ironic the giants beat the cowboys.

you think we could petition PEPSI to replay that commercial expect put the redskins on defense doing the same thing.

maybe we might win the super bowl that way. it worked for the giants

Posted by: Great one | June 6, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

You guys are asshats. JReid is doing a good job, you people just love busting balls and giving him crap just to give him crap.
It's not like he has a lot to work with since he can't film practice etc. Why not give him some ideas of what would be good to do rather than being douches and taking the easy way out by busting his balls?

Posted by: BB | June 6, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Host,
All he needs is your kind tutelage.
Keep it coming.

Posted by: Stumped | June 6, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Hey JReid,
Maybe put a green screen up behind you and throw in a fake backdrop of I don't know... change it up every episode to make it comical. Ok that's a completely retarded idea, I will shut up now.

Posted by: BB | June 6, 2008 3:10 PM

It will only be a matter of time for the folks at washingtonpost.com to figure out they can use a portable green screen behind Jason Reid, and then superimpose messages from paid advertisers while JR speaks. Here is a list of possible JR subjects, matched with their background advertising:

"Running Game" - Foot Locker
"West Coast Offense" - Alaska Airlines
"Defensive Line" - Bug Repellant
"Cornerbacks" - Metro
"Head Coach" - http://www.zornscaterers.com/ordereze/splash/

"There's always money to be made off the Redskins."

Posted by: Rudy Russo | June 6, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

...floo(u)r.

Posted by: RedMoat | June 6, 2008 3:13 PM

Hey, I've got my own 'tribute poster'! Maybe he or she can post on other blogs I don't care to post on? Sorta like the whole 'Bootleg Beatles' thingie?

Welcome Moat!!

Posted by: Redcoat | June 6, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

WOW!!!!!!!!

Is BB really JREID

Chill out it is just a blog

Posted by: Great One | June 6, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

when did sammy3 change names to Great One? did i miss the announcement

Posted by: not sams to the third | June 6, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I think he may be in the air by now, but regardless, safe travels Nate.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 6, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Once again, political arguments in the US is retarded considering everyone is the exact same

Posted by: Hizzle | June 6, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

RedCoat,

I am friends with yo(u)r co(u)sin RedBoat. He advised me to try the Maxgain. Now when I try to stand

Posted by: RedMoat | June 6, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

how many times do I have to tell you that I am not this Sammy3 person

Posted by: Great One | June 6, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

sams3 could never spell worth a damn - it was a big tell.

Posted by: The Truth | June 6, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Umm.... If people on here need to learn what the west coast offense is then they should be stricken of their man card.

This offense has been in place since the late 70's and 80's. Let's talk about WHY Jason Campbell may struggle in this offense since he has a tough time throwing the short crossing routes. JC can throw the out like it's his job, but the 5-10 yrd crossing route he has struggled. Let's talk about his improvements in that department or let's talk about why the redskins are going to stick with their same running game when it barely worked at times last year. CP hardly ever had any room to run. Why don't we ask the tough questions instead of the easy no-brainers.

Not a hater, just a thought!

Posted by: Travis | June 6, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

You can't help liking J-Reid. He seems looser and more comfortable in today's video.

t_e, sadly, I don't believe Mr. Reid will be able to join us tomorrow for the DC meet-up. He sent his regrets.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

There will be news. There will be news.

After Saturday anyway.

Posted by: Stumped | June 6, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

WOW!!!!!!!!

Is BB really JREID

Chill out it is just a blog


Um, nope but I'm sick of reading all the ball busting and not seeing anyone give any real criticism.

What we should all be doing is taking giant dumps in brown paper bags, lighting them on fire and setting them on the doorstep of The Danny's home (while simultaneously ringing the doorbell and running for cover of course).

Posted by: BB | June 6, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

is Sammy3 the only person in the world that cant spell, I dont take my time to write this stuff I mispell a work, so what this is a blog not english class

Posted by: Great One | June 6, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

RedMoat, RedBoat is my friend. Er, yes that's it, he's my friend - not my cousin.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 6, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

sams3 also had no sense of humor. Things he thought were funny, weren't. Things he thought weren't funny, were. But sams3 did try hard and was mostly a nice guy, unlike that real asshat, jjwilson.

Posted by: not sams3 | June 6, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

and I am their father

Posted by: LeadThroat | June 6, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm not in the air yet, Coat!

Taking the redeye, or perhaps marooneye, tonight.

Expecting to step off the plane in sweltering Dulles like Tom Hanks in "Volunteers." (As much as I love John Candy, hopefully I won't be sitting next to a fat guy with a guitar who wants the whole plane to do singalongs en route. That would make for a long night. KOOOM-BA-YAH...)

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

There will be news. There will be news.

After Saturday anyway.

Posted by: Stumped | June 6, 2008 3:28 PM

Sure, sure!
We were promised news and a recapof the goings-on after the Seattle playoff game meetup and what did we get? Squadoosh!

Posted by: not TK | June 6, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

not TK, that one's on me. I did promise to do a write-up of the Shabingus in Seattle, but I kept putting it off, and then memory faded.

Had we won the freakin' game I might have been more motivated to carry forward the happy feeling of the night before the game.

It was a great time, and our "P Diddy" is the consummate host, and J-La and J-Reid and Mike Wise are totally, sincerely awesome guys.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Well it's only supposed to be a heat index of about 817 tomorrow morning Nate, so that will allow you to ease-in to the DC weather.

Ugh.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 6, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

The feature film on tonight's flight will be:

Snakes on a Plane!

Posted by: In-flight Media Director | June 6, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like Nunz learned this the hard way... you can't stop Jason Reid from posting videos, you can only hope to contain him, preferably in a tiny room somewhere in Ashburn.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

here is a comment you should listen to: These stupid video blogs suck and all of you look like Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lambs. I am waiting for you to pop up and tuck your dong between your legs! "I'd F me!" seriously, you guys are creeping me out!

Posted by: zap | June 6, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Snakes. Why did there have to be snakes?

Posted by: Indiana Jones | June 6, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Huh? Did somebody just call me?

Posted by: Snake Plissken | June 6, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Yes, yes RedCoat. I meant, um, co(u)sins with your friend RedBoat. I'd like to get

Posted by: RedMoat | June 6, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Those RI points of yours have caused a lot of trouble Greg....

Posted by: Redcoat | June 6, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Absol(u)tely Fab(u)lo(u)s!

Posted by: RedOat | June 6, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Tell me something I don't know RC. I just got a bill from "Escorts R Us", that someone named, "t. evaluator" used my bonus points to pay for 21 straight day's of "services rendered".

Posted by: Greg | June 6, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Well you know, evaluating talent can take it out of a body Greg.

Anyway I'm sure this is just all a silly misunderstanding and that t_e fully intends to reimburse you, just as soon as he can walk.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 6, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Nate if you are sitting next to john candy, I hate to see where that flight is going.

Posted by: Alex35332 | June 6, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

They told me they were putting it on my MasterCard. It was priceless.

Posted by: talent evaluator | June 6, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

They told me they were putting it on my MasterCard. It was priceless.

Posted by: talent evaluator | June 6, 2008 3:55 PM

LOL t_e! It's brings a (w)hole new meaning to "for everything else, there's MasterCard".

Posted by: Redcoat | June 6, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

No, priceless is going to be you getting the clap.....

You owe me 400,000 bonus points, and don't even think about trying to pay with Max Gain either. I've got MORE than enough of that stuff.

Posted by: Greg | June 6, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Did somebody call me?

Posted by: Max Gain | June 6, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Did somebody call me?

Posted by: Max Gain | June 6, 2008 3:59 PM

No it was me they wanted you idiot.

Posted by: Mack Skayne | June 6, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Huh?

Posted by: MacSkein | June 6, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I'll be over here in the rack with the umbrellas and walking sticks if you need me, Mac.

Posted by: Mac's cane | June 6, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Life Takes Visa.
But apparently not RI bonus points.

Posted by: VisaCard | June 6, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, Greg,

I learned from Elliott Spitzer (Client 9). He paid for escort services with Greg's bonus points and he got stung. Well Client 10 isn't going to make that same mistake.

Posted by: talent evaluator | June 6, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Redskins' Max/Gain:

Maxie Baughan, LB (1971)
Max Krause, FB (1937-40)
Max Zendejas, K (1986)

and

William Gaines, DT (1995-97)

http://www.thehogs.net/History/allTimeRoster.php

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Wow t_e, were you 'holed' up in the Mayflower - so to speak?

Posted by: Redcoat | June 6, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Factually incorrect and poor anaylsis of the West Coast Offense. Don Coreyell was not the origninator of the WCO (Joe Gibbs was his offensive coordinator before he become HC in Washington) Perhaps you should research a topic before your try to educate others or you could try what JLC does and make up something and credit it to an unnamed "source"

Posted by: League Source | June 6, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Wow t_e, were you 'holed' up in the Mayflower - so to speak?

Posted by: Redcoat | June 6, 2008 4:08 PM

And my good friend Greg was buyin' my booty.

Posted by: talent evaluator | June 6, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

just sayin'

Posted by: 4:20PM | June 6, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Umm.... If people on here need to learn what the west coast offense is then they should be stricken of their man card.

This offense has been in place since the late 70's and 80's. Let's talk about WHY Jason Campbell may struggle in this offense since he has a tough time throwing the short crossing routes. JC can throw the out like it's his job, but the 5-10 yrd crossing route he has struggled. Let's talk about his improvements in that department or let's talk about why the redskins are going to stick with their same running game when it barely worked at times last year. CP hardly ever had any room to run. Why don't we ask the tough questions instead of the easy no-brainers.

Not a hater, just a thought!

Posted by: Travis | June 6, 2008 3:27 PM

Yes, it will be interesting to see how JC responds. Regarding the Running Game, do you think the injuries on the line might have contributed to the issues? They still squeezed out over 1,000 yards.

Posted by: 72 | June 6, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

League Source,

You seem to be the only one who understands it that way. Here's the way they wrote it up in wiki:

The term "West Coast Offense," as it is now commonly used, derives from a 1993 Bernie Kosar quote, publicized by Sports Illustrated writer Paul Zimmerman (or "Dr. Z"). Originally the term referred to the "Air Coryell" system used by two west coast teams beginning in the 1970s, the San Diego Chargers and Oakland Raiders. However, a reporter mistakenly applied Kosar's quote about the Air Coryell system to the 1980s-era attack of Walsh's San Francisco 49ers. Initially, Walsh resisted having the term misapplied to his own distinct system, but the moniker stuck. Now the term is also commonly used to refer to pass-offenses that may not be closely-related to either the Air Coryell system or Walsh's pass-strategy.

Posted by: talent evaluator | June 6, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

You can't help liking J-Reid. He seems looser and more comfortable in today's video.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: | June 6, 2008 3:28 PM

Yeah, give Jason Reid a few more weeks of practice in front of a mirror and a camera, and he'll be ready to do his own stand-up comedy routine. He just has to learn how to trust the camera and be himself, so his natural personality will come across.

Practice, Practice, Practice.

Jason, it may not get you to Carnegie Hall, but maybe it will get you out of the unnamed laundry room in Ashburn.

Posted by: S Goldwyn | June 6, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Include me out!

Posted by: S Goldwyn | June 6, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

JR Reid, is a good dude...I take any crumbs they wanna throw us...I don't hate on that dude! Keep it up bro!

Posted by: chris larry | June 6, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

He's ready for his closeup, Mr. DeMille.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Hey - Revenue Stream. JR Has it.

Posted by: Dik | June 6, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I need a revenue stream!

Hey ball bagz....I am out and then heading to the DC area for the big shabingus. Brining my little bro to have my back so you haters better not step to me!

Very excited for manana! see you there if your cumming!

Posted by: chris larry | June 6, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

chRis LaRry always takes any crumbs he can get - that's why he looks like the Pillsbury Dough Boy.

Posted by: not jm220 | June 6, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Looking forward to the shabingus tomorrow everyone!

Now it's tough decision time...

The Taylor or the Campbell jersey?

Posted by: redskirt | June 6, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

The WCO origiated with San Diego Chargers coach Sid Gillman.

As the first coach of the Chargers, Gillman gave the team a personality that matched his own. Gillman's concepts formed the foundation of the so-called "West Coast offense" that pro football teams are still using.[1][2] He coached the Los Angeles and San Diego Chargers to five Western Division titles and one league championship in the first six years of the league's existence.

He played college football at Ohio State University under legendary coach Francis "Shut the Gates of Mercy" Schmidt, forming the basis of his "West Coast offense."[3] The term "West Coast Offense," as it is now commonly used, derives from a 1993 Bernie Kosar quote, publicized by Sports Illustrated writer Paul Zimmerman (or "Dr. Z"). Originally the term referred to the "Air Coryell" system used by two west coast teams beginning in the 1970s, the San Diego Chargers and Oakland Raiders. However, a reporter mistakenly applied Kosar's quote about the Air Coryell system to the 1980s-era attack of Walsh's San Francisco 49ers.[4] Initially, Walsh resisted having the term misapplied to his own distinct system, but the moniker stuck. Now the term is also commonly used to refer to pass-offenses that may not be closely-related to either the Air Coryell system or Walsh's pass-strategy.

Posted by: Curzon417 | June 6, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I think I'll wear my Marino. In hono(u)r of Greg of course. :)

cL, don't brine your little brother too long he'll shrivel up!

Posted by: Redcoat | June 6, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm gonna vote for the Campbell jersey, Redskirt. He needs all the support he can get as we head into what feels like a make-or-break season.

Glad you can make it tomorrow!

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, those Isotoners may be uncomfortable in the heat tomorrow. Just a thought. Might want to leave them at home.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Actually I was thinking I'd sport these as a nice counterpoint to cL's Maroon and Yellow Crocs Nate.

http://www.appleseeds.com/jump.jsp?itemID=1835&itemType=PRODUCT&iProductID=1835

Do you think they'd go with the ol' orange and teal?

Posted by: Redcoat | June 6, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm going with the pink Romo #9. I have to warn you it is a little bit snug on me.

Posted by: SMACK | June 6, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Thanks SMACK, that's a mental image I didn't need....

Posted by: Redcoat | June 6, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

From the SI archives, here's a nice Dr. Z piece from '99 with the history as he sees it.

Note that because he's writing in October 1999 he cites Norv as one of the three practitioners of the "REAL West Coast Offense" at that time.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/dr_z/news/1999/10/28/inside_football/

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I have to warn you it is a little bit snug on me.

Posted by: SMACK | June 6, 2008 4:48 PM

Is it snug everywhere or just in the bustline. Oooh la la.

Posted by: talent evaluator | June 6, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Good call, Nate. Also I just wrote you back via the wiki. Sorry it took so long to respond!

My brain was frazzled with wedding stuff and I'm just now recovered...

(I think)

Posted by: redskirt | June 6, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, I think they call that size "tiny fit."

Posted by: redskirt | June 6, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Beep Beep!

And see you all on the morrow.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 6, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SMACK | June 6, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

So Gibbs 1.0 was part of the Original WCO....

Sweeet...

Posted by: 4th | June 6, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

How are Malcolm Kelly, Devin Thomas and Fred Davis doing in the offense?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

And oddly, Zorn is not.

Posted by: Stumped | June 6, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the comments about Jason Campbell, I just don't see him doing this. He seems like the drop-back stretch-the-field QB that Gibbs always likes. But everyone's saying he's learned all these different offensive systems - any of those past systems similar to Zorn's?

The good news is that with Gibbs gone less is riding on the o-line.

Posted by: Josh | June 6, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Let's get clear on a couple of things.

Whatever the West Coast Offense was thought to mean in the past, things have changed.

The West Coast Offense that we will be seeing has very little resemblance if any to the old Chargers offense. Think Walsh and Holmgren, hopefully not Reid.

In a nutshell the Zorn Coast Offense will consist of the following:

Lots of short passes hitting receivers in stride (short passes have not been Soup's strong point....he is good with the deep out, comeback and deep square-in routs)

Lots of three and five steps drops by the QB (hence easier pass blocking for the Offensive Tackles)

QB needs to get rid of the ball quickly and in rhythm (hence Campbell's long arms, big wind up and lanky build could be problems)

All offensive skill players must be able to catch the ball. Skins will have two pass catching backs (Portis, Betts) and two pass catching TE's (Cooley, Davis) in addition to a growing Wide receiver corps with two new big guys (Thomas, Kelly) to make use of. We will be sending many receivers out into patterns and use a lot less of max protect than in the past. When you see us go max protect, look for the long ball.

Big receivers are at a premium because they can use their size to muscle their way past smaller defensive backs after catching the short passes and they can use their big bodies to screen the defensive backs in tight coverage. I just finally saw some film on Kelly and he has great hands and a big body. If he can get separation, and that is a big if, he could really be a work horse inside. 2009 could spell trouble for ARE.

QB has to really run this offense more so than in Gibbs system. He has to really understand the big picture. I am not sure one way or the other if Campbell can do this or not. For now I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but why was Collins so much better in Weird Al's system? Just a thought!

Moss can still help us with his quickness and big play ability. Don't be shocked to see him move around more this year.

When things aren't working in this offense you are going to find yourself asking why the skins keep throw short of the marker. You might also end up asking why they aren't running more. You might also see more balls batted down than in the past because of the short QB drop.

The great thing about this offense is that somebody is going to be open. The question will be did the QB see him in time and did he get that guy the ball in stride.

This offense is about putting pressure on the defense which can even lead to some of those disastrous coverage screw ups in the secondary.

The two tight end - two wide out formation on first down could give us big time options.

Don't worry we are still going to have a running game. When Zorn said that the running game won't change I found that to be a little odd. The West Coast Offense has at least in the past used lots of traps and draw plays. Just think of the Spurrier run offense ugghhhhhh! Well sounds like we won't be doing a lot of that. We are going to still going to use some power running, but we could hit some really nice draw plays with defense spread out trying to cover all the receivers

Like it or not we were never going to run our way to another Super bowl. We have got to get our offense into the modern era. At the same time Portis and Betts will get the opportunity to get the ball in space more often. We might find these guys are capable of bigger plays than we have seen out of them the last few years.

No offense to Gibbs 2.0, but times they is a changing. The Gibbs / Parcells conservative offensive mind set may just be too conservative to get it done. We all saw how much better the Cowboys offense got when the Tuna left town.

Posted by: Redskin's One | June 6, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

No offense to jason but I would rather read this than hear it.

Any updates on Mix's progress?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the explanation Redskin's One, it was helpful.

Gibbs was certainly trying too hard to recreate his past strategies on offensive. It might have worked well when the Hogs were the heaviest guys in football, but they'd be lightweight nowadays. Last year Campbell was best able to hit his stride when the line was healthy. But nowadays you can't rely on them for long balls and power rushing 24/7, that's just too much blocking; in this day in age they're bound to get hurt with that strategy.

Posted by: Josh | June 7, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Hey,
JReid, you're doing a great job. Would like to hear more about the rookie pass catchers, and maybe how they're contracts are coming along. Should we expect most/all rookies to report to training camp on time?

Thanks

Posted by: Colin | June 7, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Jason, you seem like a nice guy, but really! In three and a half minutes you conveyed the following two words of actual substance: "short passes." That's a real deep insight! If that's the level of discourse you consider to be appropriate, you must think that your audience is a bunch of girl scouts.

Posted by: HopeSpringsEternal | June 9, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Sorry JRied, but Air Coryell in no way resembles what we know today to be a "West Coast Offense". Air Coryell passed the ball a lot, but thats about the only similarity to the system run by Walsch. Coryell was a vertical passing game, Walsh is mor of a horizontal passing game and is the root of what we ow refer to asa West Coast offense.

I'm so sick of crappy stuff on this blog. Just say you don;t now somethig Reid, don't fake it.

Posted by: J | June 9, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

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