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Unrestricted: Durant Brooks

Jason Reid takes a look at the punting game.

By Cindy Boren  |  October 8, 2008; 9:45 AM ET
 
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Posted by: gregegeg | October 8, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Shwisham for punter.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I agree with this. I think someone said it on the other post. It's six in one hand, a half a dozen in the other. I think JZ and Buges will make a good decision on the RT once they have to. When they pick someone, I'll back that decision because I think it's a push with these guys.

Posted by: TWISI

I think the difference is right now Heyer has upside, Jansen doesn't. If this was another NFC East game, then Jansen would get the nod. But with the Rams, Browns, and Lions coming up, this is perfect on-the-job training for Heyer. And we're not talking about inserting somebody who's worse just to get experience, because we already know Heyer is the better pass-protector and has already beaten out Jansen once for the starting role.

Posted by: psps23 | October 8, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Heyer vs. Jansen:

It's a tough call. I like that we can run to both sides and that is HUGE. Having said that Jansen is always getting hurt, seems to wear down and can be an effective backup.

If you can assure me that todays Jansen will be there come January then I'd take him but given recent history I think you have to go with Heyer and hope you get some good backup years from Jansen at Tackle and Guard.

Posted by: Gweez | October 8, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Best thing ive seen from Heyer all year was when he smacked the Sh*t outta Dockett after the play. Think Heyer will be great but he plays like a whimp, he needs to strat playing with a mean streak. I dont see how someone so physically imposing could be so soft in the run category.
For that reason alone keep Jansen in as long as we can. This team isnt a WCO its a running team plain and simple. Keeps the guys that are moving your offense up and down the field in the game.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 8, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Stu27 | October 8, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Dummy question: Does everyone want the Redskins to win a super bowl this year?

Not just success, but winning it all.

I hope the answer is yes.

If we visualize the 'Skins celebrating in Tampa on 02/1/09 at about 10 PM, then it will happen.

"The reason visualization is so powerful is because as you create pictures in your mind of seeing yourself with what it is you want..."

No more "stay medium" talk. I like the slogan or whatever, but if we "stay medium" then we're going to be medium.

"Those who speak most of illness have illness, those who speak most of prosperity have it..etc.."

Posted by: RedDMV | October 8, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

The case FOR the Rams is the intangible one ... they're coming of a bye week, which happened after they unloaded a bad coach and all the associated bad memories ... they've had time to regroup and remember that they are 53 guys who get paid to do this as their full-time job. They have two very young should-be-stud D lineman (this year's first rounder, DE Chris Long, and last year's first rounder, NT/DE Adam Carriker), plus guys who have lit it up as recently as last year ... Bulger, Jackson, Holt, etc.

That said, I'm guessing that their punter BETTER be the best in the league ... they convert so infrequently, he gets plenty of shots.

Skins must must must rack up lots of points in the first quarter.

Posted by: dcsween | October 8, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Don't even get me started on Brooks!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 8, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Heyer plays like a "whimp". It's not all just lining up and knocking the other guy off the line of scrimmage.

There is technique involved, which Heyer hasn't mastered quite yet. Lets not forget the guy is in his SECOND year. He excels at pass blocking because he is athletic and has young legs.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 8, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Red, Heyer might not play like a wimp, but he does play soft. How else do you explain the 2.8, versus 5.1, and Jansen played against better defenses as well.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 8, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Cindy Boren | October 8, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I have seen no mention of it on here but the Rams losing Randy McMichael for the season is huge and no bye week is going to cure it since he is now on IR. I believe he was leading the rams, or close to it, in receiving before his injury occurred.

Posted by: kmichael76 | October 8, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

If you want to think long term doesn't it make sense to have Heyer in there for the next three games so JJ says healthy for when we get to the hard teams later in the season? We need to run the ball more in East games and against teams like Pitt and Ball, because we don't want to let those offenses on the field if we don't have to.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Okay, so the rams are worst in the league in giving up sacks per pass play (according to a prior post). I would expect to see at least 3 sacks this week, hopefully 4 or 5. If we can't get 3 sacks on these guys, then we may have a problem on the dline. I know they've been good at batting down passes thus far, but I want to see some sacks! Sacks get everyone on the team (and crowd) fired up and ready to dominate!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 8, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Don't even get me started on Brooks!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 8, 2008 10:09 AM

Hey, maybe if you start saying how terrible he is and that he will never make it in the league he will turn out to be a star.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I've got to cast my lot in with Alex and psps on this one. Give Heyer the experience against the next 3 teams and keep Jansen fresh for the end of the season in case he is needed.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I think the Redskins need to run right at Little, and wear his stuff out....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 8, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Its the NFL and your supposed to act like a pro but theres no way Jansen just sits on the bench and waits for the oppurtunity to play later, he will be half assed. I dont have that much of a lean one way or the other which is why i say to leave it up to Buges. Maybe its just me but it seems as if after everygame he plays in Heyer has some sort of injury after. Think you polay JJ for all hes worth now teach Heyer how to be an all around NFL tackle.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 8, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Red, Heyer might not play like a wimp, but he does play soft. How else do you explain the 2.8, versus 5.1, and Jansen played against better defenses as well.

Posted by: BeantownGreg

Jansen was great, but let's be serious, that wasn't ALL Jansen. Portis' longest run of the season still came to the left side. A majority of Portis' runs still went left. When Portis was grinding it out for 3 yards on 4th & 2, it was it was straight up the middle with the 3 interior linemen alone getting the push.

Jansen does help with the balance factor, but the entire o-line stepped up in a major way the last 2 games.

Posted by: psps23 | October 8, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

scampbell1975 that was classic. LMAO

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 8, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Jesus christ I've been behind on the last two articles posting this :

This is a RUNNING TEAM. We're in the NFC Beast, we need to run, run, run the ball and then run some more.

For that reason alone, start Jansen but get both of 'em plenty of snaps. Let Heyer come in and work on some running plays for the next three weeks.

And yes, we need to get the rookies some snaps.


Speaking of that, and I'm surprised no one has said anything at ALL about this....any chance we'll see Colt unleashed in the next three weeks if all games are blowouts ala Giants\Seahawks last week? Or is it all TC? I know the Zorn Star said Colt won't see the field till next year, but come on!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 8, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 8, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I would like to see Colt get some mop up time but I don't think we will. I think that Zorn has him "red shirted"

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

"This is a RUNNING TEAM. We're in the NFC Beast, we need to run, run, run the ball and then run some more."

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In both games, the run was set up by the pass. In Dallas, Portis was used primarily in the 2nd half. In Philly, they were so pre-occupied with Santana Moss and getting to JC that our running game was begging to be utilized.

Conversely, in New York, we were VERY conservative to start the game, with Zorn opting to try and pound the ball with Portis early on. I even remember saying to myself (and reading comments from others up here) how we all thought it looked like Joe Gibbs all over again.

This isn't a run, run, run team. It's a pass-first to set up the run team. Think Shaun Alexander in Seattle.

Posted by: psps23 | October 8, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, this is silly. The Redskins under Norv were imaptient with David Akers -- and look how that turned out. Gibbs was way more patient with Hall and Suisham. Hall was too injury-prone, and Suisham is doing pretty well right now.

I'd rather have a rookie punter who is inconsistent than a veteran punter who is inconsistent. Would anyone really rather have Frost, who is in danger of being cut in Green Bay for the same reason he eventually got replaced here? At least there is a chance for Brooks to improve. With Frost, you already knew what you had: a guy who would punt just well enough to keep his job, but not well enough to be considered good at it.

Posted by: jcabana | October 8, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I don't think it's wise to rotate offensive linemen during the game. Next to the QB/WR the 5 offensive linemen need to maintain a level of chemistry, especially during the game. During the week you can get it with practice.

As far as Little is concerned, F him.

Reading that article the Cindy posted you'd think him and Long are Mathis/Freeney or Umenyiora/Strahan.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 8, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

PS - TE you're a jealous hater. Georgia lost to the #2 team in the nation by 11 points and we're still #10/#11 in the nation so GET OVER IT

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 8, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I think this is a team that comes out with 10-15 plays, much like all WC teams, and uses those plays to figure out what works and get some points and then just exploit whatever worked in the 10-15 plays as much as they can. Dallas and Philly, were soft in the belly so run it up. NO's secondary was weak so we had JC pass.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I have a solution for the punting woes. Ready? Go for it every fourth down. There. Solved. Next?

Posted by: bmo63 | October 8, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

PS - TE you're a jealous hater. Georgia lost to the #2 team in the nation by 11 points and we're still #10/#11 in the nation so GET OVER IT

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 8, 2008 10:34 AM

you still smoke poles.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

No more "stay medium" talk. I like the slogan or whatever, but if we "stay medium" then we're going to be medium.

"Those who speak most of illness have illness, those who speak most of prosperity have it..etc.."


Posted by: RedDMV | October 8, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

To me, "stay medium" means stay in the moment. Don't get a big head because all the media are saying you are unbeatable. Focus on the next game, the next play. And, if you will, "visualize success on this play, and this game." So I don't disagree with you, Red, I think there is a different focus to the two statements.

Posted by: frediefritz | October 8, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

And for the love of god, no more talk about Brooks. He'll be fine. I've said it like 3 or 4 times now, he is a rookie and has played THREE DIVISION ROAD GAMES in the HARDSET division in football in some of the biggest rivalry games in the NFL. And those three games came in his first FIVE NFL games EVER.

at the LEAST you have to give him the benefit of the doubt and see how these next three home games turn out. He'll probably build some confidence. And hasn't he been doing pretty well with pinning people within their 20?

You at least gotta give him the full year I say, unless he just becomes unbearable and people are returning one punt per game for a TD.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 8, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

We tried to be a running team the last couple years. The game has evolved. Balance is key and by that i mean the pass opens up the run. Let's not live in the past.


As for Brooks rookie or no, how long should we suffer before he matures? I mean you want him giving us crappy field position for 1 or 2 more years while he does? I don't care if he turns into the next ray guy in 2012.

Posted by: Gweez | October 8, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Truth I am all for patience with the punter, but can someone here tell me what divisional games has to do with the punt yardage? Away game, sure. Bad weather, of course. But how is divisional effect it?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

ummm.. it's not as if good punters grow on trees and we can just go out and get one. Even Frost is barely sticking on the roster in Green Bay.

I have no problem at all bringing whoever is available in for a workout, but to just think we can drop Brooks and bring someone else in is ridiculously naive.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | October 8, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Currently Reggie Bush and DeSean are #1 and #2 in the league in punt returns, respectively.

just an FYI

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 8, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Brooks looked like he could have made a tackle on Jackson during the punt return but then his arms started flailing. He really needs to bulk up too, he's gonna get crushed if he ever "really" tries to tackle someone. That was one positive about Frost, he could tackle when he needed to.

Posted by: isonic1 | October 8, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

If Brooks is going to punt at an NFL level, we'll know it before the end of this year -

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 8, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Divisional games provide a level of intensity unlike most other games. If a rookie can hold up in three road divisional games, he's seen about the worst that he will face from a pressure and intensity standpoint.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | October 8, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

As for Brooks rookie or no, how long should we suffer before he matures? I mean you want him giving us crappy field position for 1 or 2 more years while he does? I don't care if he turns into the next ray guy in 2012.

Posted by: Gweez | October 8, 2008 10:39 AM

Frost gave us crappy punting for years, Brooks has had 5 games and only punted bad in two of them, he will be fine.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 8, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

"Truth I am all for patience with the punter, but can someone here tell me what divisional games has to do with the punt yardage? Away game, sure. Bad weather, of course. But how is divisional effect it? "


much more pressure playing against a big rival (as all our division opponents are)

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 8, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I don't care about Frost. I care about having awful punts where field position can lose us games. If this kid was undrafted I doubt anyone would care what happed to him.

Give him another week or two and if he doesn't improve it's time to look for someone better.

Posted by: Gweez | October 8, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

and yall gotta remember, this poor kid came from Georgia Tech and the ACC where he mostly played against like 5 thousand people. Also note that those 5 thousand fans received a free hotdog and coke with their tickets.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 8, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

"Give him another week or two and if he doesn't improve it's time to look for someone better."


Disagree.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 8, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

It would really suck to lose a game over bad punting, especially if the game was the playoffs or super bowl. When it comes down to it, I think the previous super bowl champs all had decent punters. Lets hope he gets better. As for him being a holder, a game can come down to a kick - Just ask Romo.

Posted by: isonic1 | October 8, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Currently Reggie Bush and DeSean are #1 and #2 in the league in punt returns, respectively.

just an FYI

Posted by: TheTruth11

A lot of that probably has to do with the fact that Brooks gave up TDs to both those guys.

I have the impression that punters don't really "improve" the way people assume all rookies do. They have one skill. It's all muscle memory. There's not really a mental aspect to what they're doing (in terms of thinking and making decisions on the fly). It's kind of like throwing a football for a QB, either you can do it or you can't. That's not a skill you're going to learn once you get to the NFL. The improvement comes in the mental aspect and decision making.

To me, the ability to strike a ball consistently is natural. Either he has it or he doesn't. I can see how nerves come into play, but that should wear away as the season moves along. And if it doesn't, then that could be a separate problem all-together (not able to be composed under pressure). Either way, we should know whether he can punt at an NFL level at least by the end of the season, if not sooner.

Posted by: psps23 | October 8, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

gweez,

He has not cost us field position he had two bad punts returned for touchdowns, to the two best punt returners in the league. An again I say the coverage team still needs to be able to make a play no matter how bad the punt is.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 8, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Bucky Brooks on SI.com has a Skin in the running for each of the major award catagories right now

Posted by: wstclair | October 8, 2008 10:18 AM

This sounds like a man who's about to lose his job with SI. Wait until Don Banks, Paul Zimmerman, and Peter King hear about this.

Speaking of "El Rey" did anyone read his justification yesterday for putting Dallas ahead of the 'Skins in his power ranking?

"I realize the product on the field hasn't shown Dallas to be better than Washington so far. It came down to this: If Washington and Dallas met on a neutral field in Wichita right now, I think Dallas would win. I trust Romo a little more than Campbell right now.

The defenses are a wash, and I might like Washington's a little more, particularly after the goal-line stand at the Eagles. It's very, very close. If Dallas plays generously on defense at Arizona this week, I might change my mind. But here's what it comes down to for me, bottom line: I thought Dallas was the best team in football for much of September, and we've seen them blow out Cleveland on the road, score 41 on a tough defense (Philadelphia), and whack Green Bay pretty well on the road. I still like them a lot, and a smidgen better than Washington."

So what is wrong with this picture? He thinks that a team that can't win in its own stadium can win in Wichita?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 8, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

fred, why stay in the moment? Complacency isn't always a good thing.

I think they should live out of the moment and strive for the ultimate. Sure, focus on the task at hand and think of your competition as a literal stepping stone to get to where you want to be.

It's not about having a "big head", but more about having confidence as a team in conquering that goal.

And I really, really hope they don't listen to the media. They shouldn't need the media to build their confidence, regardless of what they say.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 8, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Since punters don't "improve", are you then inferring also that there should be no better options available since any available punter failed to make an NFL roster this year?

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | October 8, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

The Rams are coming off a bye and have endured a coaching change, so maybe they will play their guts out for Jim Haslett.

By Jason La Canfora | October 8, 2008; 9:15 AM ET

How quickly we forget. The only coach you "play your guts out" for is Joe Gibbs. Haslett? Maybe you play your jambalaya out for him, but then that didn't even happen in New Orleans so it's not likely in St. Louis.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 8, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

A lot of that probably has to do with the fact that Brooks gave up TDs to both those guys.

Do not think so psp, Bush returned two against the Vikings and it should have been three.

Jackson only has the one TD but he was averaging over 10 yards a return before the game last week.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 8, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Anyone know of a good polling feature on facebook?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Ok, I'm going to beat a dead horse but I could care LESS, what ranking we have in someones stupid power rankings. At the end of the year, they don't award you the Power Ranking Trophy for whomever is #1.

How about if I do my own Power Ranking of Media guys who I think suck:

1. Paul Zimmerman - Older than dirt, and has stated openly that he's carrying a grudge against Dan Snyder, spends most of his articles writing about wine, or football games that happened 40 years ago

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 8, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Another FYI

Chris Kluwe is the Vikings punter, currently 6th in average yards per punt with 47.1 yards per punt. He has a long of 57 yards, and 9 punts inside the 20 (8th overall). I'm not 100% sure, but he's the only punter listed for Minnesota, so I believe it's safe to assume that he is the same guy that gave up two punt returns for TD's last Monday night to Reggie Bush and nearly a third.


Just another FYI

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 8, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?season=2008&seasonType=REG&d-447263-o=2&tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PUNTING&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=PUNTING_AVERAGE_YARDS&d-447263-n=1

Right now Brooks avg. punt is 33rd in the league. That means there is someone out there bagging groceries with a better average.

I don't really need to argue the point. The coaches have all said it. This isn't one of my crazy tangents. The dude needs to get it together or get lost. I could not care less what he did in college.

Posted by: Gweez | October 8, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Greg, who else ya got?

Posted by: RedDMV | October 8, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

"A lot of that probably has to do with the fact that Brooks gave up TDs to both those guys."

again, I think it might have even more to do with Bush returning punts for TD's twice in one game and almost three times in one game.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 8, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Since punters don't "improve", are you then inferring also that there should be no better options available since any available punter failed to make an NFL roster this year?

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat

(1) I didn't say punters don't improve. I said punters don't improve to the extent that other rookies do.

(2) That may be the case. It also may not be. Brooks was an unknown coming into the season. That unknown could have been an extremely great find. That unknown could also be a guy who consistently gives returners great looks at long returns, as exemplified by his 2 TDs given up in 5 games. That's why I said we'll know by the end of the season whether he's fit to be in this league.

Posted by: psps23 | October 8, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of that, and I'm surprised no one has said anything at ALL about this....any chance we'll see Colt unleashed in the next three weeks if all games are blowouts ala Giants\Seahawks last week? Or is it all TC? I know the Zorn Star said Colt won't see the field till next year, but come on!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 8, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Colt is on the practice squad. Who are you going to cut from the 53 man roster to play Colt?

Posted by: PatM1 | October 8, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

"I thought Dallas was the best team in football for much of September, and we've seen them blow out Cleveland on the road, score 41 on a tough defense (Philadelphia), and whack Green Bay pretty well on the road. I still like them a lot, and a smidgen better than Washington."

So what is wrong with this picture? He thinks that a team that can't win in its own stadium can win in Wichita?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 8, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse "

that same tough Green Bay team that lost to Matt Ryan and ATL last week. Quite impressive!!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 8, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I just read the Giants first four games were against teams with a combined record of 5-13. Take away our 4 wins and that means they played some week games. Oh man I'm getting excited.

Posted by: Gweez | October 8, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

With all apologies to anyone from the greater Saint Louis area who may find this offensive, I just want to point out that one of the worst pizzas I ever consumed was of the "St. Louis style" on one visit to the city.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis-style_pizza

This says it all: provel process cheese - three cheese fused to form one (provolone, swiss, and white cheddar). Utterly foul.

A hundred visits to Drewes for their incredibly good custard could not make up for that nasty pizza. Yuck.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 8, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

"Right now Brooks avg. punt is 33rd in the league. That means there is someone out there bagging groceries with a better average.

I don't really need to argue the point. The coaches have all said it. This isn't one of my crazy tangents. The dude needs to get it together or get lost. I could not care less what he did in college."

so would you rather have the guy that gave up 2 TD's in 5 games, one with a debatable block in the back or the guy that gave up 2 TD's in one game and a third with a TD-saving tackle?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 8, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I'm fairly sure Colt's on the 53-man roster just is not on the 45 man active roster for games.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

We need an official ruling from dcsween! Is it "I could care less" or "I could not care less"?

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I'm going to beat a dead horse but I could care LESS,

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 8, 2008 11:04 AM |
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I could not care less what he did in college.

Posted by: Gweez | October 8, 2008 11:05 AM |

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Personally, I think it should be Gweez's contruction "I could not care less" but if sween would pass judgement I'd accept his ruling as definitive.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 8, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

PatM1, I think Colt dresses as the third quarterback and has special status -- technically he's not counted among the 53 starters, but in certain circumstances he can play in the game, like in the fourth quarter, something like that.

I may not have the rules exactly right, but it's something like that... specifically intended to get kid QBs game reps in the right circumstances... and of course in the event of (God forbid) multiple QB injuries ahead of him in that game.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 8, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

To me it's pretty basic: Until Brooks costs us a win, he'll be there... If he blows an entire game for us, then they'll start shopping. Short of that, they'll let the rook develop.

And here's a take on the RG position that I haven't seen yet - what's wrong with letting Heyer heal up a bit more? I actually don't have a problem w/ Jansen taking a seat and coming in again later in the season, but I'm sure Heyer could take another week to mend...

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

While it may be easy to blame a rookie punter for TD's against our punting unit, I feel that our coverage has been inconsistant and the weakest area of the Skins so far. There have been more than one big return by opposing returners not named Jackson or Bush. Maybe better and more consistant coverage will give Brooks more confidence to punt better if he isn't worried about tackling.

Posted by: splitbill | October 8, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

again, I think it might have even more to do with Bush returning punts for TD's twice in one game and almost three times in one game.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 8, 2008 11:06 AM

Analyze the returns for yourself. Bush was untouched on his way to the endzone against us. All he had to do was get around one guy, then he had his wall of blockers set up. That play wasn't Bush breaking ankles. That was Brooks line-driving a punt giving his coverage team no shot at getting downfield to cover it properly.

It was similar with Jackson, although he had to make a couple more moves with Bush. That may have been a by-product of poor angles by the coverage team, but that's all the more reason why Brooks needs to be better with his punts. Jackson had ample time to decide where to make his move. That's not acceptable for any punter to give, especially for a guy who's as dangerous as you claim him to be.

Posted by: psps23 | October 8, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

alex had it right and said it more succinctly... and I meant 45 not 53...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 8, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I just read the Giants first four games were against teams with a combined record of 5-13. Take away our 4 wins and that means they played some week games. Oh man I'm getting excited.

Posted by: Gweez | October 8, 2008 11:09 AM

Gweez,

I put the numbers up yesterday:

Giants opponents: 5-13.
Dallas opponents: 9-15.
Redskins opponents: 15-8.

Dallas hasn't beaten a team with a winning record.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 8, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Nate if you ever visit Peru you will spend your days dreaming of St. Louis Style Pizza. I've never tried it but just trust me on this one.

Never have so many, butchered so much of such great food.

Posted by: Gweez | October 8, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I have two items:
1. A lot of folks are talking about mop up time, get Colt in, etc. Please stop. I think this is going to be a tough game. I will be there doing anything but being medium, as I lose my voice in Club 320.
2. Leonard Little is the BIGGEST POS in the NFL. Bigger than Pacman, Tank, etc. This guy killed a woman while drunk driving. She had a husband and children. He then, ONCE RELEASED FROM PRISON and reinstated to the NFL, was stopped and charged with a DUI. A 4 game suspension came with this. Nice. He is lucky Goodell was not in charge. PLEASE JOIN ME IN BOOING THE CRAP OUT OF THIS LOSER ON SUNDAY, WHENEVER HIS NAME IS MENTIONED OR HE IS ON THE FIELD, OR WHILE HE IS BREATHING...

Posted by: Club320 | October 8, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

It is what it is, agree to disagree...

If you could care less, then your level of caring about that subject has not yet hit rock bottom, and in other words you care at least a little tiny bit.

If you could NOT care less, then your level of caring about that subject HAS hit rock bottom, and in other words you don't care even one little bit.

So the question is, how much do you care? (Less and less with each sentence, I'd guess.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 8, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Colt isn't on practice squad, then he could be picked up by any team, right?


And there is definitely room for improvement in punting/kicking. You think Tiger Wood doesn't have room for improvement? Golf is mainly muscle memory as well. I'd (maybe wrongly) compare punting and kicking in the NFL to a golf swing. And strength is a factor, too. This guy played for puny GTech, let him get some real strength training and I see him improving fine.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 8, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I'd be interested to know who the Brooks haters would propose sign to replace him? My impression was that the grocery-baggers out there don't have as much upside as Brooks does, but maybe there's someone I'm overlooking?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 8, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I just read the Giants first four games were against teams with a combined record of 5-13. Take away our 4 wins and that means they played some week games. Oh man I'm getting excited.

Posted by: Gweez | October 8, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

In short the Giants are winning the trap games against horrible teams that all great teams are supposed to. While it remains to be seen how great the Giants really are... let's wait and see how we fare over the next 3 games before dissing the Giants.

Posted by: dante12 | October 8, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

It's a fair question on the replacement TE. However, I don't get paid find an NFL punter and while I don't get paid to play armchair GM it's part of my Pro Bono work.

The fact remains the kid isn't getting it done.

Posted by: Gweez | October 8, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

LOVE, absolutely LOVE punter talk.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 8, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I have two items:
1. A lot of folks are talking about mop up time, get Colt in, etc. Please stop. I think this is going to be a tough game. I will be there doing anything but being medium, as I lose my voice in Club 320.

Club320,

We do not have to stop we are fans and can be as overconfident as we want, the Skins are not overconfident so that is all you should be worried about.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 8, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

t_e, in the (interesting and entertaining) guest blog a few threads back, I believe the author nominated a candidate to replace Brooks if need be.

I can't remember the name, but it was a fellow who did not win the Ray Guy Award. The guest blogger's thesis being that that award has in most cases crippled its recipient's career. Or some such as.

Maps.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 8, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

NATE ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE "STAY MEDIUM" T-shirts?????
PLEASE!!!!

Posted by: Club320 | October 8, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

I don't want to see Colt until:

1) Soup & Collins are both hurt
OR
2) We've clinched the Division and are in FULL MOP UP MODE

...And I LOVE Colt... so.. maps...

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

In the Jansen vs. Heyer debate that is the least of our worries. all i gotta say is i trust jim/joe's judgement. and the arguement is "mute" until jim/joe are proven wrong.

give brooks some time...because he had a helluva game at dallas and that SHOULD count for something. he's a rookie just like all the other rookies and all rookies make mistakes. just cuz he's a punter don't mean he can't make mistakes PLUS he runs faster than doughboy!

Posted by: dealer1 | October 8, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

We do not have to stop we are fans and can be as overconfident as we want, the Skins are not overconfident so that is all you should be worried about.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 8, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

FINE... Can everyone BOO LEONARD LOSER with me then please?

Posted by: Club320 | October 8, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"It's a fair question on the replacement TE. However, I don't get paid find an NFL punter and while I don't get paid to play armchair GM it's part of my Pro Bono work.

The fact remains the kid isn't getting it done. "


I'd say 4-1 with the toughest opening 5 games is pretty good. Everything seems to be pretty smooth right now IMO.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 8, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Golf is mainly muscle memory as well. I'd (maybe wrongly) compare punting and kicking in the NFL to a golf swing.

Posted by: TheTruth11

I don't think they're quite the same. The margin of error for a golf swing is much, much smaller than that of a punt (because of the size of the ball, the size of the club, shape of the club etc.). Plus, the golf club is not a part of your body. There is no "feel" to it. It's a "middle man" of sorts, whereas a punt is direct contact from your foot to the ball.

I'll agree that leg strength can improve. But the ability to strike a ball cleanly and consistently is mostly natural. There isn't much improvement in that area. Just my opinion.

Posted by: psps23 | October 8, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I can't remember the name, but it was a fellow who did not win the Ray Guy Award. The guest blogger's thesis being that that award has in most cases crippled its recipient's career. Or some such as.

Maps.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 8, 2008 11:25 AM

Nate the guys name is Sam Paulescu, and he has only kicked in one NFL game, so not sure he would be any better then Brooks, big difference kicking in preseason then kicking in real games.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 8, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Come on guys it's Heyer/Jansen or Punter talk. I tried gmen shed-jewel (spelled that way in honor of RC) talk but that was shot down as dissing.

Posted by: Gweez | October 8, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Club320
I can draft up a stay medium graphic for ya if you like, so Nate can make you the shirt. But I would not mind someone here giving me an idea for iconography more than just text type stuff

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

"Nate the guys name is Sam Paulescu, and he has only kicked in one NFL game, so not sure he would be any better then Brooks, big difference kicking in preseason then kicking in real games."

not on this blog

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 8, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

FINE... Can everyone BOO LEONARD LOSER with me then please?

Posted by: Club320 | October 8, 2008 11:27 AM

The dude is a scumbag and I will be glad to BOO him with you.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 8, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

fred, why stay in the moment?

Red, the moment you take a team for granted in this league, that's the moment they find a way to surprise you.

The Skins need to focus on stopping Steve Jackson, and pressuring the WR's. They need to focus on pounding the ball down Little's throat, and springing Moss and Cooley. They need to focus on tackling on Teams, and blocking on returns. They need to protect the ball on Sunday.

The rest of the season will be here soon enough. And when it gets here, we can focus on it then.

We can only get home-field advantage in the playoffs if we win each game as it comes in the schedule.

Posted by: frediefritz | October 8, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Dealer i could care less whether or not the argument is mute. Their are thymes to discuss this stuff two.

Posted by: Gweez | October 8, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Nate,

Thanks for reminding me of that. It was a good guest blog, and his pick was "Sam Paulescu. He punted in week 17 last year for the Broncos, averaging 44.2 and netting 40.0. His preseason totals from the past two years are nine punts for averages of 49.1 yards and 42.2 net yards, which would have put him first in both categories last year."

Yesterday the Packers worked out four punters to replace Frost, but didn't sign any of them. This from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:

The Packers worked out four punters and a long snapper, but no moves appeared to be imminent. Unless the team was blown away by a performance, the Packers were going to give punter Derrick Frost another opportunity to retain his job.

Since being tabbed to replace Jon Ryan, Frost has a 44.4-yard average (17th in the league) with a 38.2 net (16th). Only two of his 22 punts have landed inside the 20-yard line.

Scott Player, Ken DeBauche, Waylon Prather and Zac Atterberry were the punters who worked out.

Player punted from 1998-2006 for the Arizona Cardinals before spending last season with the Cleveland Browns.

DeBauche, the former Bay Port High School and University of Wisconsin punter, spent the off-season with the Packers and was released July 24.

Atterberry, according to his agent, Robert Sheets, will be signed to the practice squad of the Chicago Bears, the team he was with in training camp. That would not preclude the Packers from signing Atterberry to their active roster."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 8, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

there is an article making a number of points about which team might really be the best team in football:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/66007-washington-redskins-the-best-team-in-football

Posted by: craig2 | October 8, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I blew it. I had the weather/whether thing going for me. Sorry maps n such as.

Posted by: Gweez | October 8, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Club320
I can draft up a stay medium graphic for ya if you like, so Nate can make you the shirt. But I would not mind someone here giving me an idea for iconography more than just text type stuff
Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2008 11:31 AM

This one is easy, I got it! Picture of Ron Burgundy with "You Stay Medium Washington" or Redskins, whichever is better...

Posted by: Club320 | October 8, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Okay so today I gave in and decided to actually watch this video. After 5 seconds I gave up and turned the volume down. Sorry Jason, you just lose my attention almost immediately.

I ask again: Does anyone actually watch these things?

Posted by: RambleOn | October 8, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I ask again: Does anyone actually watch these things?

Posted by: RambleOn | October 8, 2008 11:36 AM

I, personally, only watch them when they pay me to watch them.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 8, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Club, those are copyrighted images, and I only am for committing crimes when i can get away with them.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I have no graphic design skillz, Club 320, so anything beyond the words themselves would need to be provided by someone else.

FYi, according to the Bog there are some "Hip, hip hooray" shirts out there now that that slogan has taken off.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 8, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I personally love the notion of a debauched punter, though I can't quite figure out what it could mean.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 8, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I do off and on. Sometime they are good sometimes not. The ones that they do for comcast are better because of the banterificness and production values, if the post wanted to plop down a grand on some kind of super-glue studio and hire an intern with Adobe elements I think these will be stronger.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

WJFK is selling Horny for Zorny shirts, claiming the Junkies came up with that slogan.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Does Cafe Press do Flags Nate? I could see a simple Stay Medium flag being popular.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

fine! you guys want to talk punter/heyer/jansen i want to talk about karim moore replacing doughboy on the depth chart.

Posted by: dealer1 | October 8, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Colt is on the active 53 man roster, but is inactive each week. He is listed as the backup QB, and could play only if JC and TC are injuried. If he is inserted in a game, other QB's may not return. If Colt ws then injured, probably ARE would move to QB for the remainder of the game.

Posted by: frediefritz | October 8, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: dealer1 | October 8, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

It's a fair question on the replacement TE. However, I don't get paid find an NFL punter and while I don't get paid to play armchair GM it's part of my Pro Bono work.

Posted by: Gweez | October 8, 2008 11:21 AM |

I think this is exactly why they're giving him (and Frost in Green Bay) plenty of time: the guys (like me) who are paid to find better punters can't either. It's that old "out of the frying pan..." phobia.

Sure, I'd leave my wife in a minute for Lindsay Czarniak, but it's pretty unlikely that I could "sign" her. And the ones I can sign, well ....

(Honey, if you're still reading the blog, this is just a joke, right?)

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 8, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

For real, I think that the Rams could be a bad trap game for the Skins. They have Pro Bowl caliber guys who are TICKED OFF. They are playing with no expectations, and have had a bye week to try and salvage themselve. These guys hated Linehan, and now that he's gone how badly do you think they want to prove that the problem was him and not them?

Even so, I'm actually glad that Al Saunders is the O-coordinator over there. We all know that nothing is more effective at neutralizing talent than Saunders' 70000000 page playbook that takes 16 seasons to "master". Otherwise, Bulger/Jackson/Holt might actually be productive.

Posted by: p1funk | October 8, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

+++Jansen is on his way out, has looked bad at times the past few seasons and this preseason, lost his job to a younger guy, and it sounds like he refuses to admit it. I think any of us would feel the same way... something about the tragedy of getting old in a young man's game. But that doesn't mean he's not still a warrior for this team, capable of helping out in big spots.

Posted by: NateinthePDX ++++

Jansen looked bad in the preseason, when he lost his job, So did Randy Thomas. I wonder why? Could it POSSIBLY be the fact both missed most of last season with devastating injuries and weren't in playing shape yet?

Thomas has shown that to be true.


As has Jansen, who has vastly outperformed Heyer as a run blocker, and only slightly less as a pass blocker.

I don't think you realize OT is a position that can be played by well conditioned athletes into their late thirties.

If Zorn picks Heyer--fine. I know he's smart enough to consult with Bugel and I respect his opinion.

He may well feel the loss in run blocking is offset by the added safety offered to Campbell--now playing like a franchise QB.

But don't denigrate Jansen. He's played like a warrior during his career here, and despite two devastating injuries that would have retired lesser men.

Too many people here are over anxious to toss on the scrap heap dedicated core redskins once the "expert' detects a chink in their armor.


Posted by: TheCork | October 8, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

+++No more "stay medium" talk. I like the slogan or whatever, but if we "stay medium" then we're going to be medium.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 8, 2008 10:03 AM+++


Let's go with "Stay Frosty" instead.

Posted by: TheCork | October 8, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a big fan of the "Horny for Zorny" t-shirts; too gay for me. A buddy of mine is making t shirts that read "Me so Zorny" which I like much better. Just a thought. The junkies rule though, and Sactown Mike is the shizzzz.

Posted by: marleyb313 | October 8, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

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