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Unrestricted Rewind and the Practice Report

Jason Reid reports that, during the portion of practice we're allowed to see, Cornelius Griffin, London Fletcher and Shawn Springs were not participating. Clinton Portis, however, was.

By Cindy Boren  |  December 11, 2008; 12:05 PM ET
 
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First? Uh....garters!

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 11, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

It's funny....the Super Bowl contenders are all considered to have good FO's. "NY has a great FO". But haven't they allowed Plaxico to run amuck all year? SOmething like 40 fines for conduct? It wasn't til the fool shot himself, did they get hardcore. They let Tiki run his mouth about the coach, QB, and other stuff without consequence.

The Titans were bums for years, now,all of the sudden "Boy , they sure now how to get players."

Posted by: cej75024 | December 11, 2008 12:03 PM

Um, there's no coincidence that Super Bowl contenders have good FOs. You need that to win with any consistency in this league. And the only reason why Tennessee was down for a while was because they had a tendency to spend a lot, blow it up, and start over again...which puts your team in a situation where you're going 12-4, 13-3, drop to 4-12, 8-8 and are back up again. But if you have to model your team after someone it's the Pittsburgh Steelers. Those guys have a worse O-line than we do and still find a way to win.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 11, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Springs didn't practice????

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 11, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

They have the best D in the league, hands down. I think that's how they survive it at this point.

Give it some more time, folks. Firing coaches after one year and knee jerk decisions are part of the reason we've been a poor football team over the last 15 years.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 11, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Springs should play for the London Sillynannies.

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 11, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Give it some more time, folks. Firing coaches after one year and knee jerk decisions are part of the reason we've been a poor football team over the last 15 years.

Posted by: shaunsherman12
Two quit (Gibbs and Spurrier), Shottenheimer lasted but one season, and Norv lasted far too many years.

Posted by: driley | December 11, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, still brought to you by Yahoo! for just as long as my girlfriend gets her paycheck from them

3 weeks left to go in the season and the playoffs are genuinely within reach. This week will be a very digital.

Rarely can I recall a week where so much rides on a win. A win will be incredibly therapeutic, leaving this team intensely focused on philly, two wins from a playoff slot. A loss, and the wheels come off. Not just missed playoffs, but a real risk of this team disintegrating. A loss and this might be the last playoff sniff this team has for several years. There is a lot at stake.

Its obviously a winnable game, but Cincy did take both philly and the jints into OT. This team does need to be ready for this game.

Injuries? Of the 22 starters at the start of the year, most are still in place and there is only 1 position where the replacement is a significant drop-off from the starter (Chris Samuels).

The 3 teams left are not world beaters. Each has significant flaws and are capable of beating themselves. Yet, I think to win out, someone will have to play at a level we haven't seen so far this season.

The question is, who can step up for this team and play their best ball of the season?

1. HB Blades
The young guy can play and no doubt, teams will go after him. He's pretty close to ready for the challenge. Even if the challenge is spelled w-e-s-t-b-r-o-o-k

2. Jason Taylor
Literally now or never. He's a guy with something to prove ... and $8million on the line for 2009. With Andre Carter ineffective even before he was hurting, Taylor may get to play most of the game at his best spot.

3. Clinton Portis
Getting healthier and angrier. December is his time. And I know he wants an MVP.

4. Jason Campbell
When he gets time, he is solid. He's been through the wars in recent weeks, getting scars and earning respect for his toughness against the best defenses in the league. He is ready to lead. I hope.

5. Rock Cartwright
He's been good. But there is more, and I think he'll make some game changing plays this month.

6. Chris Wilson
The backup DE gets more chances as Evans is needed on the inside and with Carter hurting, Taylor gets his snaps on the other side. Speed rushes create sacks and turnovers. This is a guy with a contract hanging in the balance.

7. LaDell Betts
Portis carries a big load, but Betts can get yards, too. Betts made a huge play last year when he caught a TD vs Chicago to help turn that season around. Would not be surprised if he makes a game changing play.

8. Chris Cooley.
Stats-wise, Cooley is doing good. Impact, however, not so much. Time for him to have an impact.


And that is ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, still brought to you by the ever shrinking group of fine folks at Yahoo!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 11, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Here is an open question that I will throw out to you all:

If Gregg Williams stayed as coach and Saunders was retained as OC would the offense have done a better job this season? This assumes as well that Williams would of had a greater say in the draft and that the quarterback competition was nominally open in summer camp.

Posted by: driley | December 11, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

driley -- can't say what GG would have done, but the expectations would have been 10-11 wins and a playoff slot.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 11, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

can't say what GG would have done, but the expectations would have been 10-11 wins and a playoff slot.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 11, 2008 12:43 PM

Expectations. That's the whole name of this game. Coming in, Zorn only need to do better than .500. After going 6-2, expectations increased dramatically. Reliability of the passing game, not so much.

Posted by: dcsween | December 11, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Here is an open question that I will throw out to you all:

If Gregg Williams stayed as coach and Saunders was retained as OC would the offense have done a better job this season? This assumes as well that Williams would of had a greater say in the draft and that the quarterback competition was nominally open in summer camp.

Posted by: driley | December 11, 2008 12:39 PM |

No. this team is what it is an 8-10 win per season team until they get impact players on the edges offensively, and on the offensive and defensivie lines.

Posted by: TWISI | December 11, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I really miss watching Sean Taylor. I really hope this Portis Zorn thing is going to give the Skins the spark they need to win the next 7.

Posted by: Skew | December 11, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Right, Skew. I was thinking about this earlier this week, after watching Ed Reed return that fumble on us. That is the kind of play we could get from ST. The previous week I wrote on the blog that I thought the Ravens game would be decided by a t/o taken to the house. And I said that favored the Ravens, because they were more capable of that kind of play. Right now I see D Hall as our most likely player to be able to do that kind of play, but ST did it with some regularity. Huge difference in close games.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 11, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I think that we would have been in the third year of Saunders offense, which is long enough for everyone to have grasped the details of it. I think that Gregg would have drafted more for the O and D line and kept McCardell and Caldwell or signed another older veteran for third receiver spot. The expectation for a solid ten or eleven win season would have beent there as well.

Posted by: driley | December 11, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

fredie -- watch the ST21 highlights and one thing that jumps out is how much this guy had the ball in his hands. He played defense, but so much of his highlight film is him running the ball.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 11, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Here is an open question that I will throw out to you all:

If Gregg Williams stayed as coach and Saunders was retained as OC would the offense have done a better job this season? This assumes as well that Williams would of had a greater say in the draft and that the quarterback competition was nominally open in summer camp.

Posted by: driley | December 11, 2008 12:39 PM |

Who cares he needs to worry about his Defense in Jacksonville which is ranked 14th, two spots lower then it was rated last year.

GG and Saunders would have never been able to get along there egos are to big.

How is Saunders offense doing in St. Louis?

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 11, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I think that Gregg would have drafted more for the O and D line and kept McCardell and Caldwell or signed another older veteran for third receiver spot. The expectation for a solid ten or eleven win season would have beent there as well.

Posted by: driley | December 11, 2008 12:49 PM |

Greg would have no say in the draft, that is Vinnys job, he might not do it to everyones liking but he does it.

What has GG ever done to make you think he would have had say in personell.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 11, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

If Gregg Williams stayed as coach ...

Posted by: driley | December 11, 2008 12:39 PM

I can't get beyond the opening premise. Grilliams as head coach would have been a completely different ball of worms. GG presumably wanted personnel authority that was much closer to what Gibbs had than what Zorn got. Blache would have retired. The draft could have been completely different ... there might have been a foray into free agency ... regardless, I don't think we'd be in the same situation as we are right now at LB.

Also, I had been assuming that Saunders was going to be gone regardless ... like it might have been Zorn as OC even if Gg was the HC.

If it were GG at HC (and Zorn at OC) and they were in the same position they're in now (7-6), I imagine there might already have been a slapfest btwn GG and Vinny ... resolved by The Owner (guess which one would win) and GG really would be gone by now anyway.

Posted by: dcsween | December 11, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Here is my opinion and hope that things have changed with the FO. It takes longer to develop Wr then OL and DL. What if the FO drafts a bunch of lineman and really build for the future. I continue to hope that they are building for the future and have a plan and that they know that it takes longer for skill positions to blossom than lineman and we will take the lineman in this draft and start winning on a continuous basis.

Posted by: Hawkeye5 | December 11, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Turner may have stayed too long...but was fired at a record of...you guessed it...7-6.

The point is, people preach patience in the offseason regarding the owner, then scream for someone's head when things good badly at some point during the season, as they inevitably do when your team is just okay.

Stop calling for the coach/owner/GM to all go away, and give it another year.

The Redskins aren't there yet. Pretending it's the coach that is the problem is just not admitting the real, more difficult problem: we don't have the players we need yet.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 11, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Mmmkay,

I read Sally Jenkin's article and I agree with everything she said.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | December 11, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Flound, agree, I'm interested in what Blache has planned to stop Ocho, and TJ, more than what GG/Saunders could have done....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 11, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

O cr@p!
My hair is on fire! Put it out!
Make it stop!

I should have kept my comment internal, stayed medium.
Help.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | December 11, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"Greg would have no say in the draft, that is Vinnys job, he might not do it to everyones liking but he does it."

Gregg would have had more say than you think since he would have been in the line of succession from Gibbs. Do you for one minute think that Gregg would have sat around and let Vinnie draft 3 receivers?

Posted by: driley | December 11, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

The oddest thing about this whole (P-Z) thing is that I almost never watch the Hostage Unrestricted videos or read Sally Jenkins, but on this one, I tuned into both ... and both were fair and medium ... and it was like the media actually helped explain what was going on in rational terms. Who would have thought that the Fourth Estate could actually deliver? Way to go First Amendment freedom of the press!

Posted by: dcsween | December 11, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Danny boy has to give this team another year to "gel". NO COACHING CHANGES!!!. It's obvious the player changes needed. Address those. Zorn needs to learn to adjust his "scheme" to the personnel he has available to him. It's been close to 20 weeks and they're still not executing properly??? CHANGE THE SCHEME!!! Simplify things. If he doesn't figure this out by the end of next season.....so long! We have (arguably)the toughest division in football. He doesn't have to make the playoffs but he has to show some improvement and be competitive.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 11, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse


Turner may have stayed too long...but was fired at a record of...you guessed it...7-6.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December


and if i remember correctly and my fact checking was correct he also started that year 6-2

Posted by: alex35332 | December 11, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Gregg would have had more say than you think since he would have been in the line of succession from Gibbs. Do you for one minute think that Gregg would have sat around and let Vinnie draft 3 receivers?

Posted by: driley | December 11, 2008 1:11 PM |

Yes he would have had no choice Gibbs had everything after Gibbs, Vinny was annouced personell guy, Snyder backs Vinny so GG would have had no say in personell.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 11, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Here's an OL that might hit the FA market this year...Robert Gallery. I know he sucked as an OT, does anyone know how he has done as a guard?

Posted by: TWISI | December 11, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

In my earlier post, I said this game, this weekend had more riding on it than any I can recall.

Lose ... and I think this team blows up ... then gets blown up at season's end. Followed by 3-5 more years of no playoffs.

And if you think beating Cincy is simple ... philly tied them and they took the jints into OT. The Skins need to be prepared. If they are, they win. If not ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 11, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone post the Florio rumor mill post yet?

Zorn won't be here next year if he dosen't acknwoledge he needs to adjust his offense......

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 11, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone post the Florio rumor mill post yet?

Zorn won't be here next year if he dosen't acknwoledge he needs to adjust his offense......

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 11, 2008 1:21 PM |

Yes

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 11, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

twisi, no idea how he did at G, but he might be worth taking look at.

Couple cats coming out this year, a T from Baylor, whose name escapes me, and Max Unger a c/g type. The Baylor guy is a former TE, similiar to Jason Peters of the bills.

This seems to be a OL rich draft, some big cats coming out as well, which is what this team needs.

I know its early for draft talk but the FO cannot ignore either line again.

I'd also keep an eye on which guy Carolina put the tag on. I'd prefer they did Pep, and let Gross walk, I'd snatch him right quick.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 11, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I know its early for draft talk but the FO cannot ignore either line again.

I'd also keep an eye on which guy Carolina put the tag on. I'd prefer they did Pep, and let Gross walk, I'd snatch him right quick.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 11, 2008 1:25 PM |

I love draft talk it is never to early.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 11, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Thats o.k. if Springs doesn't practice. He doesn't need to practice cus he will be "active" on sunday anyways.

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | December 11, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I have a feeling Carolina gets both back. They're both career Carolina guys, and that's a young team at its core that's getting better. One or the other might hit FA, but I think they get both back.

Posted by: psps23 | December 11, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Thats o.k. if Springs doesn't practice. He doesn't need to practice cus he will be "active" on sunday anyways.

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | December 11, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I have a feeling Carolina gets both back. They're both career Carolina guys, and that's a young team at its core that's getting better. One or the other might hit FA, but I think they get both back.

Posted by: psps23 | December 11, 2008 1:31 PM |

Money talks

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 11, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Flound, some big boys coming out this year, OK, LSU, have about 3 cats worth a look.....DE/DT doesn't seem to have much depth however....LB seems to have some guys, the ENTIRE USC crew for starters....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 11, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Flound, some big boys coming out this year, OK, LSU, have about 3 cats worth a look.....DE/DT doesn't seem to have much depth however....LB seems to have some guys, the ENTIRE USC crew for starters....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 11, 2008 1:35 PM |

O-Line and LB in draft D-Line in FA's

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 11, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

psp, I could see Gross walking....Carolina just drafted Otah last year, so they could fill him in for Gross.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 11, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

flound, definetly OL in draft, who do you have in mind for DL in free agency?

I'd like to take a look see at Andrews the G/T from Cincy. He was one of the TOP free agents last year prior to getting tagged....He could easily slide into either RG, or RT spot.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 11, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone realize there is a game this week?

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 11, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to take a look see at Andrews the G/T from Cincy. He was one of the TOP free agents last year prior to getting tagged....He could easily slide into either RG, or RT spot.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 11, 2008 1:42 PM |


Julius Peppers, UFA,

Albert Haynesworth, UFA,

Terrell Suggs, UFA,

Shaun Cody, UFA,

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 11, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I know there's a game this week but I want to see us break the 30 point barrier AND win by two scores. Two things we haven't done all year. And I don't want to hear about our 8 point win against Detroit. They are horrible and 8 points is still only one score.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 11, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

any chance Zorn implements some gadgets this week (wildcat, flea flicker, reverse) into gameplan to spark the O or is Portis, 4 wide checkdowns and dumpoffs to sellars/portis/betts...?

Posted by: forever21 | December 11, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

There could be a chance we score more than 30, but I wouldn't hold you're breath on it......

I envision seeing Portis with at least 25 carries and 5 catches.....

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 11, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Grilliams as head coach would have been a completely different ball of worms.

Posted by: dcsween | December 11, 2008 12:53 PM


A mixed metaphor that works even better than both of the originals combined. Love it.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 11, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Cody seems like jag

Suggs, I'm not sold on him, he's a good player no doubt, I think Bamore tags him.

Haynes, or Pep, can't go wrong I don't think....especially Peppers. He can just anchor in the run game....

Zorn has to, he has to implement a different game plan this week, he's gotta roll JC out, gotta get the passing game going early, get the ball to Thomas early, and often as well.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 11, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

CP will get 25-30 carries and put the O on his back. I'd like to hope our new/fresh OL can give Campbell more time to throw but probably unlikely in their first game together. If OL can hold up, JC will be able to stretch the field w Cincy stacking the line to stop Portis.

27-14 HAIL!

Posted by: forever21 | December 11, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

The OT from Baylor is Jason Smith. Another OT I've been reading about is Troy Kropog from Tulane. Needless to say this draft should be well represented with OL through the middle of round 2.

Posted by: TWISI | December 11, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I never know who the college players are to draft, just know what we should be looking for. Here's what I said before the 2008 draft (they only had 9 picks at the time I posted, they actually had 10 during the draft).

O-line 4 picks
d-line 2 picks
WR or DB 1 pick
LB 2 picks

No picks: QB, TE, RB or special teams


Didn't go that way ... did they? I said no picks at TE, QB or teams. They used 3. How have Davis, Colt and Brooks been?

I suggested 4 o-line picks. They took 1. Now its pretty much the consensus up here that the aging OL is our #1 issue. There is somewhere between 2 and 5 slots to fill. Chad Reinhart, if he pans out, can only play 1.

LB, we lost Washington (shocking, I know) and Fletcher is hurting. Did we draft anyone there? Nope. We are out of depth there, need to hope Rocky, Blades and Fletcher all stay healthy the rest of the way.

I said 2 DL picks, they took 1, then traded away 3 future picks for Taylor and James.

1 pick for WR or DB. They used 5 on those positions. The WRs aren't doing much (though the draft strategy is defensible). The DBs, Horton has been good and Moore looks promising. As Greg can tell you, I wanted to address WR with a trade (Boldin or Housh), as opposed to the draft. But at least they tried to address that issue.


All in all, if I can figure out what this team needs, why can't the Spaghetti Gang?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 11, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 11, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

A mixed metaphor that works even better than both of the originals combined. Love it.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 11, 2008 1:58 PM

Or, "the hole is grader than the some of the parts"?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 11, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Zorn has to, he has to implement a different game plan this week, he's gotta roll JC out, gotta get the passing game going early, get the ball to Thomas early, and often as well.

Posted by: BeantownGreg

problem is JC sucks at throwing on the run. he needs to stop and wind up to throw. I watched Matt Ryan throwing from the pocket and while running. We'd love to have him here!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 11, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

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