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Unrestricted: The Big Game

Jason Reid breaks down Jim Zorn's big decisions.

X-rays of Shawn Springs' leg (which swelled after he was kicked in practice Monday) were negative and the team said he has a bruised calf. He's likely to be a game-time decision Thursday, a la Jason Taylor.

By Cindy Boren  |  September 2, 2008; 2:32 PM ET
 
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Burgundy and Gold Banana Hammocks!

Posted by: Julio's Thongs For Men | September 2, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Don Banks this morning on a roster move we've discussed up here:

"• If you absolutely need the name of a running back out there who could be this year's version of the out-of-nowhere Ryan Grant, my pick would be Marcus Mason, who signed with Baltimore's practice squad after Washington released him. Mason led the NFL in preseason rushing with 317 yards, and even though the Redskins played five games, he still had a 4.8-yard average.

Like Mason, Grant switched teams during last year's preseason. He was traded from the Giants to the Packers and wound up running for almost 1,000 yards in becoming a late-season sensation. Mason will start the year on the practice squad, but if Willis McGahee can't get healthy in Baltimore, the Ravens could let Mason get some work behind rookie Ray Rice."

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

bloomers!

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 2, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

yeah, because posting under the name 'skinz' takes such guts...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 2:34 PM

Thanks I agree. Sticking to a name even when being critical and having it attributed to you takes more "guts" than calling someone a b*tch under anon instead of your normal nom de guerre. Another side effect of this is that it tends to have people be much more civil. Glad we agree on that matter.

Posted by: Skinz | September 2, 2008 2:40 PM

Well that and the fact that if you continually use a regular fake name we can tell if we want to pay attention to you, ie. are you full of crap, stupid, rascist, or are you really intelligent with something to write worth reading.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2008 2:44 PM

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Makes me cry, sween, makes me wanna cry.

You couldn't hold on to a 'league leader' for at least one future draft pic... what a waste...

Posted by: Dik | September 2, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Welcome to Zeke's Unique Perspective, brought to you by Yahoo!

The roster is set, so what does Zeke think?

The RBs are solid. Like them as pass catchers, too. Rock never got a shot after he fumbled vs KC. But I think he can be a good RB, so I wouldn't be surprised if he has a surprise year

QB The great mystery. Campbell has the talent. I remarked he looked over-coached vs Jax. But still, he could have easily completed 3/4 with no INT. He's talented enough to get us to the playoffs. But ... will he step up this year? I'm thinking ... YES. Game 2 will be more telling than game 1.

The receivers are a big question after Cooley and Moss. ARE can play at this level, but I wonder how good he can be with the broken bone in his hand. After that, its all guys who should be mostly on the pine. Real thin at WR, which may mean more Fred Davis.

OL No reason to panic in preseason. Its all about health. If healthy, this unit will be solid.

DL Among the best units on the team. Griffin's health is the biggest issue. He can be a beast in the middle.

LB London Fletcher is a terrific player. We'll see if Rocky is all the way back. Another position where we are thin, but I like the starters a lot.

DB Another strong unit, one of the deepest as well.

Teams Solid for the most part. Brooks is the only unknown, but he is replacing a guy who was pretty weak. I'm not sure who we should have return punts, but given how thin we are at WR, it shouldn't be one of those guys.

Thats Zeke's Unique Perspectives for today, with thanks to my sponsor, Yahoo!

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 2, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

From the previous post:

X-rays of Springs leg were negative, but it's pretty swollen. He'll be a game-time decision.

Posted by: Cindy | September 2, 2008 2:45 PM

Sounds like Lisa needs to get over to Springs' house immediately w/some baby oil.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Play well or sit, that's the way it should be. Me likey.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

LOL, thats typical Banks. Indirect shot at the skins. Call me when they induct Mason into the HOF. What is this his THIRD year being on the practice squad of some team?

"If Willis McGahee can't get healthy"....

If my aunt had balls.......

Posted by: Greg | September 2, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

JReid

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 2, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Did Zorn really make this choice to start Heyer over Jensan or did Buges decide this and pass it along to Zorn and Zorn made the final choice based on the info from Buges...I mean I would think Buges was really the guy who decided to go with Heyer.

Thoughts?

Posted by: Leevi | September 2, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Mason a surprise huh? Well I suppose the rookie QB will get hit a whole bunch by blitzing LBs...cause Mason sure can't pick up the blitz and pass block worth a bleep....Not to mention he can't catch a pass to save his life.

Posted by: Leevi | September 2, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Betts has also proven he fumbles about every 12 to 15 carries

Posted by: Leevi | September 2, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I see the chocolate fudge flavo(u)r Pop-Tarts for sale at the convenience store downstairs. I also see s'mores flavo(u)r Pop-Tarts. Should I go with choc fudge to continue my microwave tart preparation experimentation? S'mores sure does sound good...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 2, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Steinberg got in a good line (see below in bold)!

Redskins Clothing Gets Sexy

All I really wanted to do just now was post a little something on how the Redskins official team store will happily sell you a t-shirt commemorating any occasion, from the third Tuesday of preseason practice to the 300 Level's 1,00th hot pretzel purchase of the season to the 10-year anniversary of that one time someone on the Redskins did something cool.

Available on the site right now, for example, are the 2007 Wild-card round t-shirt (was $17.99, yours for $3.00), the 2007 Wild-card hat (was $17.99, yours for $5.00), the 2008 Draft Day t-shirt ("Believe In Now," except for the first and third choices, in which case believe in eight weeks from now), the 2008 Training Camp t-shirt (which, perversely, costs more than the actual regular-season shirts) and the 2008 Kickoff t-shirt ($19, ships in 48 hours, best of luck to you). If I hadn't decided to give up on cheap shots, I'd note that this franchise has more fan t-shirts than the Nats have fans.

Posted by: Not Anonymous | September 2, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

"Since Truth posted about UGA beating up a DivII team. Lets hear it for Temple who beat Army last week. Real Teams don't play scrubs to pad the stats.

You are hearing it here, probably not first, Temple will be in a bowl game this year.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 2, 2008 2:24 PM "


you think we were padding the stats? We had our second string QB in on the third drive along with our 3rd string RB. That was for an entire drive. 2nd and 3rd string played the majority of the game. Knowshon had 8 total carries.

Running up the stats would be Urban Meyer running a fake punt in the 3rd quarter against Hawaii, who they beat like 66-10 or something.

Watch the game before criticizing it...

Posted by: The Truth | September 2, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

... Sticking to a name even when being critical and having it attributed to you takes more "guts" than calling someone a b*tch under anon instead of your normal nom de guerre. ...

Posted by: Skinz | September 2, 2008 2:40 PM

I'm a lover, not a fighter. I don't have a nom de guerre. I have a nom de amour.

My nom de amour is dcsween.

[The only reason I clarify this is to avoid confusion with the other famous nom de amour, Ron Mexico.]

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Nate, smores ARE that good, trust me.

Posted by: The Truth | September 2, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I see the chocolate fudge flavo(u)r Pop-Tarts for sale at the convenience store downstairs. I also see s'mores flavo(u)r Pop-Tarts. Should I go with choc fudge to continue my microwave tart preparation experimentation? S'mores sure does sound good...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 2, 2008 2:56 PM

I've got a box of the chocolate fudge ones. They sure are good.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Should I go with choc fudge to continue my microwave tart preparation experimentation? S'mores sure does sound good...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 2, 2008 2:56 PM

Chocolate Fudge is hard to beat - it's all chocolate, after all. Cooking time for two tarts laid flat on a paper towel in a 1200 watt microwave is 20-23 seconds. Cool for 30-60 seconds before eating.

Posted by: Clark Kellogg | September 2, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Makes me cry, sween, makes me wanna cry.

You couldn't hold on to a 'league leader' for at least one future draft pic... what a waste...

Posted by: Dik | September 2, 2008 2:49 PM

Dik! Get a grip! Not a single team in the league put him on their roster. Not one out of 32. He's on a practice squad. Any team in the league, including the Redskins, can sign him to their roster. And so far, no one has. Maybe Banks is to NFL talent as Jim Cramer is to stocks and there will be a run on this guy, but otherwise I think we can get Mason back anytime we want him.

Marcus Mason led the league in the preseason because he had five games instead of four and because the Skins rested the backs that count. Means nothing. You read what Zorn said: the guy ran to the wrong holes in the last preseason game.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 2, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I was watching this, and then became incredibly annoyed by the mouse on the screen in the video, and turned it off.

Posted by: Big Goob | September 2, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Since Truth posted about UGA beating up a DivII team. Lets hear it for Temple who beat Army last week. Real Teams don't play scrubs to pad the stats.

You are hearing it here, probably not first, Temple will be in a bowl game this year.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 2, 2008 2:24 PM "


you think we were padding the stats? We had our second string QB in on the third drive along with our 3rd string RB. That was for an entire drive. 2nd and 3rd string played the majority of the game. Knowshon had 8 total carries.

Running up the stats would be Urban Meyer running a fake punt in the 3rd quarter against Hawaii, who they beat like 66-10 or something.

Watch the game before criticizing it...

Posted by: The Truth | September 2, 2008 2:57 PM

And just to back the truth up (ugh), Georgia Southern is I-AA not Div II- big dif. And they used to be the top division I-AA for years. Just ask Adrian Peterson (Bears, not Vikings)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Michigan State played their starters ... and decided NOT to pad their stats ... much less actually win the game.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=282430025

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Sween, repeat after me: D'amour.

Posted by: Jacques | September 2, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

TE - you KNOW what you can grip.

We couldn't put him on our practice squad until traded for a conditional late rounder somewhere?... that's impossible?

Don't forget there where plenty of folks who had him ranked over Rock (not me... but still).

So stow the vitriol. I just don't like throwing away value.

Now... I'm off to my patio to ride the exer-cycle I took off someone's trash heap in Hialeah.

..maps..

Posted by: Dik | September 2, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Aw crap, thanks a LOT, guys, now I have to buy BOTH boxes of tarts? Jeez...

Oh well.

Will report back with results of this exhaustive study. I plan to conduct a blind A-B test to determine whether this newfangled "micro-wave" method truly produces better tart flavo(u)r than the old-school toaster method.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 2, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Mr. Kellog but I completely ignore the "Let cool for blah blah blah" warnings on instructions. I want my poptart ASAP.

Posted by: The Truth | September 2, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Sween, repeat after me: Nom d'amour.

Posted by: Jacques | September 2, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Sween, repeat after me: Nom d'amour.

Posted by: Jacques | September 2, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Come on, this is ridiculous with the injuries. We can't have Springs and Taylor out with the rest of the defense at 50%. Come on Shawn, you gotta strap it on....

Posted by: | September 2, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Every time I see these videos I always half expect some guys dressed in all black with their faces wrapped and holding AK47s to step in behind JReid.

Posted by: LH | September 2, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

Sawyour post on last thread....Yeah I feel pretty good about my roster...especially in a 14 team league that has a back up for every spot. Only thing that sucks is Jones is now NOT starting in Seattle but it should be a committe...I'm struggling with dropping jones and picking up Rudi Johnson who just signed with the Lions and will be comp for the starting nod once he learns the offense...But I figured I should stay with the guy who was in camp with his team and well Morris may not hold up...Jones will see some time I'm sure...but unless I get an injury Jones will only fill a bye week or 2

Posted by: Leevi | September 2, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

TE - you KNOW what you can grip.

We couldn't put him on our practice squad until traded for a conditional late rounder somewhere?... that's impossible?

Don't forget there were plenty of folks who wanted him over Rock (not me... but still). He looked good, k?

So stow the vitriol. I just don't like throwing away value.

Now... I'm off to my patio to ride the exer-cycle I took off someone's trash heap in Hialeah.

..maps..

Posted by: Dik | September 2, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

We couldn't put him on our practice squad until traded for a conditional late rounder somewhere?... that's impossible?

Posted by: Dik | September 2, 2008 3:16 PM

Practice squad players have cleared waivers and are free agents. Ant team can sign them without compensation.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Giving Big Steinz a little linkluv:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/

Posted by: Cindy | September 2, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I mean I would think Buges was really the guy who decided to go with Heyer.

Thoughts?

Posted by: Leevi | September 2, 2008 2:51 PM
Right, this would be Buges' decision. He may have to sell it briefly to JimZ, but he made the call.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 2, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

We couldn't put him on our practice squad until traded for a conditional late rounder somewhere?... that's impossible?

Posted by: Dik | September 2, 2008 3:16 PM

Yes, Dik, it is impossible. We can't "trade" a player off our practice squad. If he is on our practice squad, any team in the league can claim him. Just like we, or any team, can claim him off Baltimore's practice squad. Or like we claimed Mix off the Giants practice squad last year -- we didn't trade for him.

We didn't "throw away value." He had no value. No team in the league wanted him for their roster. Don't you think that they tried to see if they could trade him before they cut him? They probably also tried to work a trade for Frost or Wade before cutting them.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 2, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Guys, honestly, haven't the players said all enthusiastic things each year about the offense (e.g., "This year, we're going to do big things in this offense. EVERYBODY's gonna be a weapon!"

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

We had our second string QB in on the third drive along with our 3rd string RB. That was for an entire drive.

Posted by: The Truth | September 2, 2008 2:57 PM

Fess up, Truth. "Entire" drive was about 4 plays before the fumble. "3rd string" RB was really the 2nd string RB (King has not been promoted, though it is just a matter of time).

Dawgs looked very good on offense, mediocre on defense. Nice to see AJ Green immediately contributing.

Anyone that accuses UGA of playing a weak schedule this year does not know football.

Personally, I am stoked - will be sitting on the 45 yard line for Saturday's game.

Posted by: CBT | September 2, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Shawn Springs is a Debutant! He's a good player that can't play. If that makes any since at all. How can you play Football if all one has to do is touch you and you're injured.

Posted by: Red Skin Fan | September 2, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

Sawyour post on last thread....Yeah I feel pretty good about my roster...especially in a 14 team league that has a back up for every spot. Only thing that sucks is Jones is now NOT starting in Seattle but it should be a committe...I'm struggling with dropping jones and picking up Rudi Johnson who just signed with the Lions and will be comp for the starting nod once he learns the offense...But I figured I should stay with the guy who was in camp with his team and well Morris may not hold up...Jones will see some time I'm sure...but unless I get an injury Jones will only fill a bye week or 2

Posted by: Leevi | September 2, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

seriously i don't get these videos. cindy, are you trying to reach the illiterates? or the lazy?

Posted by: dealer | September 2, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Cursors! That's not a mouse!

Posted by: PARC | September 2, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm curious, what if I wanted to drop the "Not" in Not Anonymous? With this new default "Anonymous" label, I would be credited and/or blamed for a lot.

Posted by: Not Anonymous | September 2, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Sween, repeat after me: Nom d'amour.

Posted by: Jacques | September 2, 2008 3:17 PM

Maybe what he meant was nombre de amor?

Posted by: Pedro | September 2, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Guys, honestly, haven't the players said all enthusiastic things each year about the offense (e.g., "This year, we're going to do big things in this offense. EVERYBODY's gonna be a weapon!"

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 3:26 PM

That's because they were shining against the Skins' defense. Not a good sign no matter how you slice it.

Posted by: LH | September 2, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

seriously i don't get these videos. cindy, are you trying to reach the illiterates? or the lazy?

Posted by: dealer | September 2, 2008 3:27 PM


nope, trying to reach the "international" cabbies who can't read so good.

Posted by: Ahmed | September 2, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Also from the scout article (doesn't take long for them to get over Gibbs, huh?):

http://was.scout.com/2/785523.html

" Because we went into most games with the attitude, “This is going to be a war every game we play. Every game we play is going to be a war and it is going to come down to a 10-7, 10-6, 7-3, type game.” And now having this opportunity to know we can put a lot of points on the board and we can compete with some of the best in scoring, it is up to us. We are going to have the opportunity. We just have to go out and capitalize"

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

In case you were wondering, the Saints will indeed open the season Sunday in the Superdome.

Posted by: Cindy | September 2, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

*********FFL Post********

Is the draft still @ 5:45pm EST when all the east coasters will be going home at the time?


*********End FFL Talk******

Posted by: 4th | September 2, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Every time I hear the name "Pedro" it makes me laugh!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

@Julio

Don't you mean Maroon and Black?

Posted by: Rep. Heath Shuler (D-NC) | September 2, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

"We had our second string QB in on the third drive along with our 3rd string RB. That was for an entire drive.

Posted by: The Truth | September 2, 2008 2:57 PM

Fess up, Truth. "Entire" drive was about 4 plays before the fumble. "3rd string" RB was really the 2nd string RB (King has not been promoted, though it is just a matter of time).

Dawgs looked very good on offense, mediocre on defense. Nice to see AJ Green immediately contributing.

Anyone that accuses UGA of playing a weak schedule this year does not know football.

Personally, I am stoked - will be sitting on the 45 yard line for Saturday's game.

Posted by: CBT | September 2, 2008 3:26 PM "

Eh it sounded better than the way you said it.

and I'll be on row 1 this Saturday in the Classic City!

Posted by: The Truth | September 2, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

ahmed, that's what i mean...i'm both of those that post is trying to reach and i still prefer text. call me ol fashioned...

seriously 4th, i think the draft time has west coast biased to it...

Posted by: dealer | September 2, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

*bias*

Posted by: dealer | September 2, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Once again, I stand corrected. Sux tho. He does have some talent.

We cut Frost? I thought we kept him. Man am I out of touch or WHAT?

Posted by: Dik | September 2, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Last one:

" We didn’t have audibles before. Right now if we are in a bad play, we can get out of that play. Jason has the opportunity to put up the audibles and change things around and get us points. So I think everybody is just excited."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm adding UGA to my list of most-hated teams, right up there with the Dallas Cowboys. We'll have a fiesta everytime they lose. Ole!

Posted by: Pedro | September 2, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

My bad Scamp, on the Div2 vs I-AA, I always mix up the two because to me I-AA sounds like AA baseball (the 3rd in baseball, and they should have a AAA above it)

Truth its still padding because you should be playing teams are on your same level, were you padding in terms of points, no. But you are in terms of the stats for your 2nd string guys.

I have always been against the Big teams picking on the small teams stuff in NCAA football. One of my many issues with NCAA. Its kind-of like when a world power attacks a small disorganized nation, you can do it sure, and they will fight back, but its still not a fair fight, and there is never any honor wining an unfair fight.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 2, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

We have got to be the most injury plagued team in the league, hands down. And we haven't even played a game yet! Ugh, this is shaping up to be an ugly, ugly season.

Posted by: Ben | September 2, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

you think we were padding the stats? We had our second string QB in on the third drive along with our 3rd string RB. That was for an entire drive. 2nd and 3rd string played the majority of the game. Knowshon had 8 total carries.
...

Posted by: The Truth | September 2, 2008 2:57 PM

Yeah but 2d and 3d stringers at UGA would start at 99 percent of I-AA schools and make first team all-conference to boot.

Posted by: LH | September 2, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

*bias*

Posted by: dealer | September 2, 2008 3:35 PM

*Len* :(

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Yes, 4th, sadly, that was the best available time slot. So there it is. I can only imagine a flurry of trade activity will ensue between tonight and Thursday among those who are dissatisfied with their automatic picks.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 2, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Great, now springs is hurt. this team is cursed

Posted by: Long Dong John | September 2, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

“They didn’t show us anything in the preseason,” said Giants defensive end Justin Tuck. “They did a great job showing you a lot of things without really showing you anything. But we’ve got a few things on Jim Zorn; he’s been a couple places and we’ve picked up on a few things.”

http://www.northjersey.com/sports/giants/Giants_face_an_unknown_Redskins_offense.html

Posted by: Leevi | September 2, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Is the draft still @ 5:45pm EST when all the east coasters will be going home at the time?

Posted by: 4th | September 2, 2008 3:31 PM

Yes, I came to work early so I can make it back in time. Just have to hope Metro does not derail.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 2, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

i've never seen so many p*ssed off people in america than now...at RNC...wow!

and palin?...anything short of a landslide victory for the dems will be disappointing.

Posted by: dealer | September 2, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

If I get Tony Romo in the draft, I will trade him even-up for a box of Pop-Tarts.

Posted by: Anonymous Owner | September 2, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Teams in the AP top 25 that UGA will play this year :

#5 Florida (5 first place votes) at a "neutral field" (IN JACKSONVILLE, FL)
#7 LSU (1 first place vote) at LSU
#9 Auburn at Auburn
#13 Alabama
#15 Arizona State at Arizona State
#24 South Carolina at South Carolina

that's not including Tenn @ home, defending MAC champs Central Michigan at home with a STUD QB, and our rival GTech under a new coach at the last game of the season.

Please excuse us for playing one non-top-tier team. How shameful!

Posted by: The Truth | September 2, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

"They didn't show their whole cards in the preseason. They only showed a little bit," linebacker Antonio Pierce said. "Obviously they've been working on other things. ... It's just about looking at what you see on film, anticipating what's going to happen on the field and then, when it happens in the game, you've got to make adjustments."

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2008/09/new_york_giants_ready_to_face.html

Posted by: Leevi | September 2, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Dealer, what are they p*ssed about?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

If you're looking for an inept front office who threw away value, you might look at the New Orleans Saints. This is from PFT:

"Andy Alleman, a 2007 third-round draft pick was waived by the Saints and awarded to Miami. Alleman is a talented player, and Schefter reports that nearly a quarter of the league wanted him: In addition to Miami, he was claimed by Arizona, Denver, Indianapolis, Kansas City, New England and the New York Jets."

Now if seven teams try to pick up your guy off waivers, then you could have worked a trade for a sixth or seventh with one of them.

This is not like the guys the Redskins cut: not a single one of them, even future Hall-of-Famer Marcus Mason or future All Pro Billy McMullen, were claimed off waivers. All the guys the Redskins cut are still available to the Redskins if we need them, and we may need them as early as next week.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 2, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

and palin?...anything short of a landslide victory for the dems will be disappointing.
Posted by: dealer | September 2, 2008 3:41 PM

Meanwhile, Obama got very little "bounce" from the Dem's Convention. It's going to be a long and nasty two months.

Posted by: Apolitical Pundit | September 2, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

ann, just watch the (fox) news...

Posted by: dealer | September 2, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Please excuse us for playing one non-top-tier team. How shameful!

Posted by: The Truth | September 2, 2008 3:43 PM

This is The Truth. I have listened to a lot of the analysts discussing Georgia's prospects and I am so tired of hearing "Georgia has a great team, but they can't be national champions because their schedule is too hard. No one can get through that schedule to become national champion."

Mind you, as a Tech alomnus I love hearing "they can't be national champions." What I am tired of hearing is "Georgia has a great team."

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 2, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

But Georgia DOES have a great team, whether you like it or not.

Congrats on the big Jax State win...

Posted by: The Truth | September 2, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Truth,

USC is the new #1. Georgia now #2. Oh well, doesn't matter. I got two words for you: Roll Tide. At least we beat a real team.

Posted by: will_ga | September 2, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

“They didn’t show us anything in the preseason,” said Giants defensive end Justin Tuck.

Posted by: Leevi | September 2, 2008 3:40 PM

They didn't show anybody much, especially in the last three games.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 2, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

te, good call on the Redskins cuts.

Has any of them made it onto a NFL team yet? Not just the p-squad, but the real team??

Posted by: Greg | September 2, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

ann, just watch the (fox) news...

Posted by: dealer | September 2, 2008 3:47 PM
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Can't--at work. I removed it from my Favorites channel at home

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Alex, I'm also rooting for Temple, my Mom's alma mater. Nice to know they have a football team

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 2, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse


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Posted by: 4th | September 2, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

te, good call on the Redskins cuts.

Has any of them made it onto a NFL team yet? Not just the p-squad, but the real team??

Posted by: Greg | September 2, 2008 3:52 PM

No. Not one. But I can tell you this for sure: If we'd cut Tryon, he'd be starting for the Patriots this Sunday. (jk, jk)

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 2, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

4th, did you mean to post your account number?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Your Washington Redskins, preseason edition

57 Rian Wallace LB 26 6-3 235 3 Temple

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

i'm telling you...zorn's playing the hidden tiger and couching dragon trick...skins offense gonna come out slice and dice the gints D

Posted by: dealer | September 2, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

All I am saying is there are plenty of scrub teams at the same Division I-A + or whatever they call it, that UG could have worked over. My team plays in the MAC, most our teams are crap by comparison to the worst of the SEC. What about CUSA or the Sun Belt teams. A win over them at least "looks" a little better.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 2, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I have always been against the Big teams picking on the small teams stuff in NCAA football.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 2, 2008 3:37 PM

Typically it is the small schools that want to play the big schools (for the payday).

Posted by: CBT | September 2, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Your 1996 Washington Redskins:

Johnson, Tre' OG 15 15 08/30/1971 Temple

Shepherd, Leslie WR 12 6 11/03/1969 Temple

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Skummy says:
From pft:
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:00 pm
They(WashPost) also pilfered Doug Farrar from Football Outsiders, and then promptly published part of an article that ran in the Dallas Morning News without a nod. The editorial staff there is getting worse and worse.

Say its not so...

Posted by: hmmm... | September 2, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

4th, did you mean to post your account number?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 3:58 PM

Shhh! I just got eight seats on the 45 plus parking using those numbers. Anyone want to be my guest? Thanks, 4th!!!!!

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 2, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

te, good call on the Redskins cuts.

Has any of them made it onto a NFL team yet? Not just the p-squad, but the real team??

Posted by: Greg | September 2, 2008 3:52 PM

I think Mason was the only one picked up, and he's on the practice squad. Has anyone heard of any cut other guys being picked up?

Posted by: frediefritz | September 2, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Frosty signed in the Tundra.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't Tra Johnson a Temple Alum?

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 2, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I have always been against the Big teams picking on the small teams stuff in NCAA football. One of my many issues with NCAA. Its kind-of like when a world power attacks a small disorganized nation, you can do it sure, and they will fight back, but its still not a fair fight, and there is never any honor wining an unfair fight.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 2, 2008 3:37 PM

I can understand your consternation but here's an alternate view. My brother went to Georgia Southern and the school loved those games. They brought more attention to a smaller school that at the time was attempting to join I-A. After winning umpteen I-AA championships they wanted to move up, alas, not a big enough stadium. Second, revenue generated.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

"Truth,

USC is the new #1. Georgia now #2. Oh well, doesn't matter. I got two words for you: Roll Tide. At least we beat a real team.

Posted by: will_ga | September 2, 2008 3:51 PM "

Are you a real fan? You don't know they play Tulane this week and Western Kentucky next week. And you also play Arkansas State this year...


and did you follow "your team" last year? Do you know who yall lost to last year? LMAO

Posted by: The Truth | September 2, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

+++X-rays of Shawn Springs' leg (which swelled after he was kicked in practice Monday) were negative+++

There's GOT to be a better way of reporting this than that Oxymoronic phrase. ALL X-rays are negative.

Reminds me of a reporter who wroe, afetr Yogi was beaned, "X-rays of Yogi's skull revealed nothing."

Posted by: Corkczar | September 2, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn Show is on 980. Sweeeet.

F West Coast Bias! I'm sneaking out of da office......

why all the hate on Palin? She ain't G W Bush......

Posted by: 4th | September 2, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

can only imagine what GG is thinking ...

"Jacksonville Jaguars offensive tackle Richard Collier was shot and critically wounded outside an apartment building early Tuesday"

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 2, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Any update on Collier?

Haven't seen new news since this morning.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 2, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

BTW, a negative is positive. Shawn Springs playing uninjured is like Romo playing Un-dumb.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 2, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

4th, did you mean to post your account number?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 3:58 PM

Alex,

They just reported the story on NFL Live on ESPN and there's nothing new, at all.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 2, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

USC is the new #1. Georgia now #2. Oh well, doesn't matter. I got two words for you: Roll Tide. At least we beat a real team.

Posted by: will_ga | September 2, 2008 3:51 PM

Let's see what you have to say after 9/27.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

"Critical but stable" was the last report on Collier. Someone (assumed to be family) has stopped hospital from providing additional medical updates.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

the circumstances regarding that shooting were a LOT different than seantay's...him and his friend were waiting outside the apartment building of girls that they had just met that night...waiting to take 'em out again i guess...

Posted by: dealer | September 2, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Man, I loved big Tre' Johnson. One of my favorite Skins of that grim era.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 2, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

USC is the new #1. Georgia now #2. Oh well, doesn't matter. I got two words for you: Roll Tide. At least we beat a real team.

Posted by: will_ga | September 2, 2008 3:51 PM

Let's see what you have to say after 9/27.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 4:13 PM

This would be me.

Posted by: CBT | September 2, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Will report back with results of this exhaustive study. I plan to conduct a blind A-B test to determine whether this newfangled "micro-wave" method truly produces better tart flavo(u)r than the old-school toaster method.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 2, 2008 3:17 PM

I've never had a microwaved pop tart. Is it really as good as toasted? I can't imagine it would be. Any kind of heat can turn the middle to goo. It's the crispy edges that are the essence of the well cooked pop tart. At least it would seem so. I'll have to try this in the morning.

Posted by: will_ga | September 2, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

the circumstances regarding that shooting were a LOT different than seantay's...him and his friend were waiting outside the apartment building of girls that they had just met that night...waiting to take 'em out again i guess...

Posted by: dealer | September 2, 2008 4:13 PM

Yeah, that's the difference. One was in bed and the other was trying to get there.

The similarity is that both guys were minding their own business and making no threats to anyone.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 2, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

+++Marcus Mason led the league in the preseason because he had five games instead of four and because the Skins rested the backs that count. Means nothing. You read what Zorn said: the guy ran to the wrong holes in the last preseason game.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 2, 2008 3:06 PM+++

Id' like to take this RARE OCCASION to agree with Greg and TE. I am a kind man and I like to bring comfort, especially to Pollyannas, who need it.

I thought MM was a nice back. He ran hard, to the hole and held on to the ball. Unfortunately, i also believe RB is an overstocked position in the NFL.

He did NOT excel as a blocker, he ran to the wrong place (per Zorn) and was unfortunate enough to be stuck behind three vets.

There. That wasn't so hard. You guys turn.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is being interviewed on 980 right now by the evil Andy Pollin and Steve Czaban.....he said Vinny did not decide on the the "keeps" and "cuts" - the decision was made by the full coaching staff.

Zorn just gave it to Andy about a question he asked about the QBs. Take that, Andy!!!

Posted by: Lisa | September 2, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I *like* AnonCzar

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Ok - I hereby promise to read the rag articles before posting BS on the blog.

I still like Mason & Frost. And I agree w/ Frost's comments about the FO. (Same thing happened to Farve in GB).

But I apologize for my ignorant comments and pledge to be more up-to-date.

Of course you'll still have to skewel me on NFL policy from time to time. Didn't know that 'bout the practice squads.

- but it turns out, we didn't even do that. We just released Mason... so someone else could have him on their practice squad.

So I guess my initial point is still somewhat valid, but I do again apologize for the ignorance on how the PSquad works.

Posted by: Dik | September 2, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Chocolate fudge Pop-Tarts from the microwave... eh, I'm nonplussed. I like chocolate as much as the next guy, and the molten chocolate center is kind of exciting, but this just doesn't strike me as a delicious pastry treat. Not as delicious as what I'd expected. Oh well...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 2, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

4th, did you mean to post your account number?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 3:58 PM

NOT MY ACCOUNT #. That was from the email. WTF are they doing over there?!?!!?

Posted by: 4th | September 2, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Listening to Zorn on 980 and he's not taking any crap from the spin doctors. Called 'em out. Absolutely frickin' hilarious!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

what was the qb question????????

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

+++ nse at 50%. Come on Shawn, you gotta strap it on....

Posted by: | September 2, 2008 3:17 PM+++

Dude. Stop watching Lesbian Porn. It'll rot yer morals.

Posted by: Corkczar | September 2, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Was it Tre' or Tra?

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 2, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn just CARRIED Andy Polly and made Andy apologize for comments he made on the radio refering to what he has said so far about J Campbell........

Posted by: 4th | September 2, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Frosty come out and issue a retraction of his comments?

scamp, can you post some of what is being said?

Posted by: Greg | September 2, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I AM going to try the choc fudge toasted, though, because I agree with will that that seems to be the best method of preparing one of these treats. They say it right there on the box, "toaster pastries."

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 2, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Shhh! I just got eight seats on the 45 plus parking using those numbers. Anyone want to be my guest? Thanks, 4th!!!!!

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 2, 2008 4:01 PM

Am I too late to join?!?!?!

Posted by: 4th | September 2, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Alex, it's Tra Thomas, and Tre' (or "Tré ") Johnson. I think.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 2, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

He said that he had final say on all cuts and had no input from the front office.

He then called out that Andy guy about putting words in his mouth. Andy said something about Campbell playing horribly in pre-season and Zorn told him he was trying to start something and create an angle.

Also said Jansen will have to wait his turn to play.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

te, if this is like bonus points, then I want no part of it...but if its a free seat at a game, count me in....

Posted by: Greg | September 2, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Thats why i got it mixed up. They should have had a show. " The amazing adventures of Tra and Tre'"

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 2, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Id' like to take this RARE OCCASION to agree with Greg and TE. I am a kind man and I like to bring comfort, especially to Pollyannas, who need it.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 4:18 PM

Pollyanna? That's how you see me? That's the kindest portrayal yet up here. I will show your generous post to my wife and children at supper tonight.

Personally I strive to emulate Dr. Pangloss from Candide: "This is the best of all possible worlds." Except, of course, when it isn't, but I can remember when it wasn't. Well, occasionally when I read the posts up here I think there may be room for a smidge of improvement.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 2, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Are you a real fan? You don't know they play Tulane this week and Western Kentucky next week. And you also play Arkansas State this year...

Am I a real fan???...Eh, not really. I actually graduated from Jax State so I'm used to losing more than I am winning. Besides I think Bama actually lost to Louisiana-Monroe last year so believe me Tulane is no gimme for them.

Posted by: will_ga | September 2, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

te, if this is like bonus points, then I want no part of it...but if its a free seat at a game, count me in....

Posted by: Greg | September 2, 2008 4:26 PM

Don't thank me -- thank 4th! What a guy!

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 2, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Microwaves for home use didn't exist when Pop-Tarts® "toaster pastries" were first introduced in the (gasp!) 1960s.

Posted by: Clark Kellogg | September 2, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"Tra a Little Tenderness"

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 2, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"Except, of course, when it isn't, but I can remember when it wasn't."


I've been saying this for 50 years.

Posted by: Yogi Berra | September 2, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Shhh! I just got eight seats on the 45 plus parking using those numbers. Anyone want to be my guest? Thanks, 4th!!!!!

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 2, 2008 4:01 PM

Am I too late to join?!?!?!

Posted by: 4th | September 2, 2008 4:24 PM

What do I look like, a charity? Buy your own tickets, dude. But if you can get some close to my seats I'd love to buy you a beer. Maybe we'll split the beer. At FedEs prices I'm not sure I can afford two.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 2, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Rep. Heath Shuler (D-NC) | September 2, 2008 3:33 PM

Actually, the Maroon and Black line has been sold out this entire summer. We can't keep them in stock.

Sorry fellas, you'll have to settle for the classic Burgundy and Gold for now.

If you'd like you can pre-order our upcoming models featuring the spear or R throwback logos. Order now and we'll include embroidery of your favorite player's number.

Posted by: Julio's Thongs For Men | September 2, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

So, who should return punts for the Skins? I'm not liking any of the WRs for that, way too thin at that position. So who else?

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 2, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

+++This is not like the guys the Redskins cut: not a single one of them, even future Hall-of-Famer Marcus Mason or future All Pro Billy McMullen, were claimed off waivers.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 2, 2008 3:44 PM+++


So I guess what you're saying TE, is Mason and McMullan and similar finds than Vinny and company brought in, couldn't get a single nibble from ANY OTHER TEAM? NOBODY else wanted them on their final 53? Wow.

PLEASE don't misinterpret this as negativity on my part, but what does that say about the 'skins FO's skill at finding useful vets?

Posted by: Corkczar | September 2, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

panties!

toaster panties!

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

ARE can return punts, Thomas can return punts, Thrash can....Tryon I believe did it in college....

Posted by: Greg | September 2, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

In 1992, Pop-Tarts became the focus of controversy when Thomas Nangle sued Kellogg for damages after his Pop-Tart got stuck and caught fire in his toaster. The case gained notoriety when humor columnist Dave Barry wrote a column about starting a fire in his own toaster with Pop-Tarts.[7] In 1994, Texas A&M University professor Joseph Delgado performed an experiment proving that, when left in the toaster too long, strawberry Pop-Tarts could produce flames over a foot high.[8] The discovery triggered a flurry of lawsuits. Since then, Pop-Tarts carry the warning: "Due to possible risk of fire, never leave your toasting appliance or microwave unattended."

Posted by: Pop-Tart Facts | September 2, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Hard to explain which is stronger in me ... my awe and fascination for Jimzorn ... or my disgust and revulsion for Steve Czaban.

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Just let me return punts, I'll truck everybody.

Posted by: Mike Sellers | September 2, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Mason got enough PT to show he belongs on an NFL team. Skins carry 4 RBs and thats enough.

The McMullen cut I don't get, since we are very thin at WR. Seems like a few folks here thought he did pretty well during the preseason and he has NFL experience.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 2, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I would not want to put my pop-tart in the first microwave in '56:

http://www.radio-active.net.au/blog/2005/05/uw.jpg

Posted by: Dik | September 2, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, Obama got very little "bounce" from the Dem's Convention. It's going to be a long and nasty two months.

Posted by: Apolitical Pundit | September 2, 2008 3:45 PM


NOT TRUE! He went from two points down to six points up.
On the second point, tho, we agree.

Posted by: Anti-Swiftboat Redskin Fans for Actual Facts | September 2, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Pop-Tarts in Action! | September 2, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Greg, thats 3 WRs for returning punts. We only have 5 and just 2 are healthy. Wouldn't want to risk a WR on punt returns at this point. Tryon? Did he return any in preseason?

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 2, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Curse of Danny Boy! Springs is hurt! Send out Redskin One to find a DB! Buy another media outlet to silence the masses!

Posted by: Danny's Boyz | September 2, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Damn, can't get the 980 streamer to work today.

This situation might be the reversal where Coach Joe refused to speak to them. They might go to another station to give their "unfiltered thoughts directly to the fans."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

++++i'm telling you...zorn's playing the hidden tiger and couching dragon trick...

Posted by: dealer | September 2, 2008 3:58 PM+++

That's right dealer. His dragon is asleep on the couch.


Posted by: Corkczar | September 2, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

al, does it matter that Zorn came out and said that Mason didn't know the plays? Or because that is contrary to your arguement do you just ignore it??

If you're such a fan of his, I know that he signed on the Ravens practice squad, perhaps you might want to start to follow them?

Posted by: Greg | September 2, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

al, Moss is healthy, Thrash is healthy, Thomas is healthy...now I know deep down you wish this wasn't true, but it is....

Posted by: Greg | September 2, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

John Taylor was an excellent WR and punt returner for SF in their glory days. Got his leg broken returning punts and was never the same.

I'd like to see Rock to return punts.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 2, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Id' like to take this RARE OCCASION to agree with Greg and TE. I am a kind man and I like to bring comfort, especially to Pollyannas, who need it.

I thought MM was a nice back. He ran hard, to the hole and held on to the ball. Unfortunately, i also believe RB is an overstocked position in the NFL....

There. That wasn't so hard. You guys turn.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 4:18 PM


That was me, Corkczar! HONEST.

Posted by: Corkczar | September 2, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

The McMullen cut I don't get, since we are very thin at WR. Seems like a few folks here thought he did pretty well during the preseason and he has NFL experience.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 2, 2008 4:37 PM

The theory I've seen is that they will pick up McMullen next week when they wouldn't have to guarantee his salary for the year and when they have more healthy DEs and can move one to the practice squad.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 2, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

That was me, Corkczar! HONEST.

Posted by: Corkczar | September 2, 2008 4:45 PM

Not. There were only two words in all caps in a two paragraph post. No way it was you. But, I'd like to think it was you, so I will.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 2, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

al, does it matter that Zorn came out and said that Mason didn't know the plays? Or because that is contrary to your arguement do you just ignore it??

If you're such a fan of his, I know that he signed on the Ravens practice squad, perhaps you might want to start to follow them?

Posted by: Greg | September 2, 2008 4:42 PM

Greg, learn how to read. I said the Skins have 4 RBs and that is enough. Mason was 5th. Do I think he can play at the NFL level? Yes. But not for the Skins. I have no issue with that move. Lots of guys in the preseason are playing for a job somewhere in the league.

The McMullen cut is a harder one to justify.

As for 3 healthy WRs, what I saw of Devin Thomas vs Jax, he didn't look fully healthy to me.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 2, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

al, Moss is healthy, Thrash is healthy, Thomas is healthy...now I know deep down you wish this wasn't true, but it is....

Posted by: Greg | September 2, 2008 4:43 PM

As for what you "know", Greg, you can take comfort in that your ignorance is bliss.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 2, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey everybody, Greg and Al are gonna fight again. I'm going to pop me some popcorn and enjoy this!

Posted by: Long time poster, first time lurker | September 2, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

did I not take enough of an anti-Redskins stance for you al?

McMullen has been in the league for a while, and has done NOTHING with his chances. What of that is hard to justify?

Posted by: Greg | September 2, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

TE, how much would McMullen make? Pretty close to the minimum I'd guess.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 2, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Hey everybody, Greg and Al are gonna fight again. I'm going to pop me some popcorn and enjoy this!

Posted by: Long time poster, first time lurker | September 2, 2008 4:54 PM

A real battle of wits. I gotta take pity though, since the other guy is unarmed.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 2, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

"Hey everybody, Greg and Al are gonna fight again. I'm going to pop me some popcorn and enjoy this!

Posted by: Long time poster, first time lurker | September 2, 2008 4:54 PM "

Hey, YOU, that phrase is trademarked!

Posted by: Terrell Owens' Attorney | September 2, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

nadtarts

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I like AL....I like Greg

Posted by: I like Billy....I like Sonny | September 2, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

TE, how much would McMullen make? Pretty close to the minimum I'd guess.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 2, 2008 4:56 PM

Depends on who is agent is. Rosenhaus could get him a big signing bonus with the 'Skins. Anyone else would get him one year for the minimum, maybe with an option for a second year at the minimum.

With no one interested in him, there isn't much of a market. Just ask Frost or Rock. You're only as good as your second-best offer.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 2, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

McMullen has been in the league for a while, and has done NOTHING with his chances. What of that is hard to justify?

Posted by: Greg | September 2, 2008 4:54 PM

Wow, so clever. Fist. if that was the reason, the Skins wouldn't have brought him to camp in the first place.

McMullen is depth at a position that needs depth. You do understand that, don't you? Many of the folks on the board here seem to think McMullen had a pretty good preseason. Best of any of the WRs. Why not let him on the team. When/if Thomas and Kelly get up to speed and if the others are injury free, you can let him go

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 2, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

did I not take enough of an anti-Redskins stance for you al?

McMullen has been in the league for a while, and has done NOTHING with his chances. What of that is hard to justify?

Posted by: Greg | September 2, 2008 4:54 PM

Correction, he did nothing until this preseason. He looked pretty good. Then again, I'm not there for the practices, meetings, snacks, bedtime stories, etc...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

After posting up here that I thought that Frost had won the preseason competition, after re-watching the shank in the Jags game, I have changed my mind and now say that Frost lost (fair and square) by providing that little reminder ...

Also, McMullen can't reliably hold onto a pass in his hands if his arms are outstretched ... he can only catch balls in his body.

On Mason, good for him to find a team where he will be starting games before the season is over. We had too many able bodies RBs ... it was like the TE position and Goode, for all his upside, he never had a chance.

[repost re: Tryon v. Richardson deleted]

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Hey everybody, Greg and Al are gonna fight again. I'm going to pop me some popcorn and enjoy this!

Posted by: Long time poster, first time lurker | September 2, 2008 4:54 PM

I'm back with my popcorn and you guys are throwing girlie slaps. I don't think this fight is worth the popcorn. You guys are thinking about going home, not about killing each other. Bummer.

Posted by: Long time poster, first time lurker | September 2, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Come back with some nuked/toasted pop tarts, poster/lurker

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

on that other front, I like Sonny

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 2, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Al Zeke ... McMullen had the best stats ... but he also had quite a few drops of catchable passes. He was on the bubble when he was signed ... and the bubble burst.

Like Supreme Court nominees, the more seasons an NFL player has, the higher they set the bar to make the roster.

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

And for the record, Sandra Day O'Connor has stone hands and cannot play in press coverage to save her life.

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Come back with some nuked/toasted pop tarts, poster/lurker

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 5:07 PM

At the Indian restaurant I always order the salty mango lassi, not the sweet mango lassi.

Posted by: Long time poster, first time lurker | September 2, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

** fantasy F-ball post, regarding the second and potentially but probably not inferior in any way RI league **

Draft time is here, dudes and lady. Crappy time for everyone, so it sucks rqually for everyone. And good luck to everyone.

Check out this awesome league...

D-Bag division: drbatchelor, RITCA, AL Zeke, He Nate Me

SJK division: John in Houston, sfskin, 4th Floor, Viraj (welcome "lurker"!)

Hater division: Zornskins, Redskin Willie, Alex35332, Steve (welcome "lurker"!)

ITA division: P Diddy, dealer, Forrest, Dorf

Rock on.

** end fantasy F-ball post **

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 2, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Oh, also, nom d'amour, nom d'amour, nom d'amour.

How was that? It felt d'lightful.

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

You all want a blow by blow of the 2nd (and infinitely cooler, but in no way snobby) RI league draft?

Posted by: Anon 2nd league owner | September 2, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Sween, I'm a bit surprised that the Skins didn't pick up another WR in that case. They are very thin at WR. I'll buy the 'wait a week' and get them cheaper, but they run the risk of seeing a guy who they've worked with all camp going elsewhere.

Lelie was another 'depth' WR that was available

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 2, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

And for the record, Sandra Day O'Connor has stone hands and cannot play in press coverage to save her life.

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2008 5:09 PM


She needed to loosen up

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 2, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

ALZe, agreed. The bigger surprise is going into the season with only three healthy receivers. [Pass on Lelie, thx.] I'm hoping that they use Cooley like Witten and Davis as a pass catcher. Davis, I think, has good hands (though he dropped a couple, didn't he?). Maybe that's how they get to "five" in the WR category ... think of them as pass catchers rather than wide receivers. Plus Yoder makes six. Never overlook Yoder.

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

D-Bag division: drbatchelor, RITCA, AL Zeke, He Nate Me

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 2, 2008 5:12 PM

You named a division after me? That really sucks.

And I notice that you don't have a single anon on in any of the divisions. Like that's a big surprise.

Why not an Antonio Pierce division? Or an Adam Archuletta division for the Losers in your group? Right, that would be all of you.

Posted by: d-bag | September 2, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Sween, you can see my Fred Davis thought under Zeke's Unique Perspectives that I posted near the top. Similar thought to yours.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 2, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Skins will sign a WR after week one. Won't have to guarantee his contract.

Posted by: Long Dong John | September 2, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

rqually (japanese)?

Posted by: stumped | September 2, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Sween, I'm a bit surprised that the Skins didn't pick up another WR in that case. They are very thin at WR. I'll buy the 'wait a week' and get them cheaper, but they run the risk of seeing a guy who they've worked with all camp going elsewhere.

Lelie was another 'depth' WR that was available

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 2, 2008 5:13 PM

It's highly unlikely that someone will go eslewhere now. Skins/Gints game is Thurs. All the other games are Sunday and Monday. For someone to play the same game, except for the Gints, they have to wait until Monday. We can select anyone we want on Friday, since it is after our first game. Only the Gints can compete with us there.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 7:04 PM

That was me.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 2, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

status of our WRs:
Moss-nuff said;
Randle-El: broken bone-cast on hand
Thrash: great spec. teamer, can't get open
Devin: not ready
Kelly: hurt
mcmullen: 6'4" 215lbs. looked good-out of a job

Posted by: i'll play WR | September 2, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Height: 6-2
Weight: 208
Verticle: 39"
Bench Reps: 14
40 Time: 4.40


These are real, really, real talk, no B.S., swear to your maker, stick a needle in my eye...

I'm comimg out next year for WR or beef up and play safety.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | September 2, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Some people were asking if any other teams have kept all of their draft picks. I read that the Indianapolis Colts kept all 9 of their draft picks.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 2, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Are You Kidding? | September 2, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Some people were asking if any other teams have kept all of their draft picks. I read that the Indianapolis Colts kept all 9 of their draft picks.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 2, 2008 7:42 PM

Thanks for posting that. I guess the line around here is that when Indy keeps all its draft picks, they drafted well, but when the 'Skins keep all of theirs it's to make Vinny look good.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 2, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

I like it, out with the old in with the new, that's part of why our line stank last year.

Although any idea on how much of the decision to let Jansen go was from Zorn or Snyder/Cerrato?

My main worry for the near to distant future is that Snyder/Cerrato are going to overstep their bounds and make decisions that the coaches don't necessarily agree with. After all, consider:

-For a 4-season grace-period they didn't dare to overstep bounds with Gibbs b/c they worshiped him like a God; now that he's gone, they have leeway to return to their overbearing ways

-In Gibb's place they hired a 1st season coach who's not going to have much of a voice for himself

-The whole Frost fiasco - not that Frost was necessarily better than Brooks, just that it looked like the decision was coming more from up high than from the coaches

-And as everyone's pointed out, they kept the whole draft class

I'd be interested in RI's take or it'd make for a good Skins Unrestricted - granted there are more pressing things with, um, the season starting (about freaking time), maybe save it for a bye week or when nothing's going on.

Really though where does Zorn and his coaching staff stand compared to Snyder/Cerrato? Who is pulling the stings and making the big decisions?

Overall I've seen surprisingly little analysis/news (across all media, not just WP) on Snyder-Cerrato/upper management's relations with the coaching staff. But with a young coach and an owner known for being overbearing and antsy, it's an issue, and it could seriously halt efforts to rebuild the team in its tracks.

Posted by: Josh | September 2, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey Josh, first off, Jansen was not let go. He's just not starting. 2nd, Zorn said today on Redskins Radio that all the decisions on who to keep and who to let go was all the coaches with no opinions asked or given from the front office.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

-The whole Frost fiasco - not that Frost was necessarily better than Brooks, just that it looked like the decision was coming more from up high than from the coaches

-And as everyone's pointed out, they kept the whole draft class

I'd be interested in RI's take or it'd make for a good Skins Unrestricted - granted there are more pressing things with, um, the season starting (about freaking time), maybe save it for a bye week or when nothing's going on.

Really though where does Zorn and his coaching staff stand compared to Snyder/Cerrato? Who is pulling the stings and making the big decisions?

Overall I've seen surprisingly little analysis/news (across all media, not just WP) on Snyder-Cerrato/upper management's relations with the coaching staff. But with a young coach and an owner known for being overbearing and antsy, it's an issue, and it could seriously halt efforts to rebuild the team in its tracks.

Posted by: Josh | September 2, 2008 7:59 PM

I didn't see the interview, but somemone reported here earlier today that JimZ was on radio980, and was adamant that the coaching staff were the ones making the decisions on who was cut and who stayed on the 53-man roster. And he said it in "no-uncertain words".

And from what I have seen of JimZ, he is a pretty straight-shooter. So I have to believe that the FO may have had a say, but it was the coaching staff making the decisions.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 2, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Game is at 7pm, but what time is actual kickoff? Anyone, anyone? Bueller?

Posted by: bmo | September 2, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Game is at 7pm, but what time is actual kickoff? Anyone, anyone? Bueller?

Posted by: bmo | September 2, 2008 8:21 PM

Usually 13 minutes to 18 minutes after the hour (but don't hold me to it.)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

My analysis......

The good part of the Redskins is they have something that alot of teams don't have, depth and also don't have to throw their draft picks to the wolves yet....

Their offensive depth is solid, 2 qb's that can lead them to the playoffs, if manning, mcnabb, or romo go down they are done, if campbell goes down the skins aren't.

Running Back wise they have 3 quality backs which 2 could start for many teams in the league.

They have 1 pro bowl tight end, 1 solid tight end, and 1 tight end with tons of potential.

Offensive line is solid, All vets and if Heyer doesn't work out you have Jansen right there. Plus you have to like Rinehart and Geisinger and then have a vet like Fabini right there.

I think WR could be interesting in moss, randle el and thrash. All have proved they can play, but do they have a #1? It all depends if Moss shows up like he did in 05. Thomas isn't a player yet, but has potential and given the chance it will be interesting to see how he progresses. Don't forget they do have three tight ends and three rb's to help take the strain of only have three veteran receivers, but I do like that they don't have to throw these rookies into the mix right away and give them time to perform, I also agree they most likely will pick up a wr next week when its not guaranteed. Malcolm Kelly will at least get some PT later on and hopefully learn alot, but again he isn't being pushed into it like alot of young players are.

D-line is pretty solid, I have been a believer of Chris Wilson, he was a monster on the playoff push last year, at LB with HB Blades healthy they have depth, too bad about Sinclair getting hurt, and it will be interesting to see how Mcintosh responds. Corner you have 3 that could start for any team in the league and Torrance is solid when he is #4 not #1, 2, or 3. Safety is a huge question mark....Landry is still only in his 2nd year and Doughty has questions, but at the end of the year when they made the push they were pretty solid after alot of learning curves, ie. in dallas, philly and buffalo at home.

Special teams Suisham still concerns me and I think he'll be his same inconistent self, but won't hurt too much, I really think Brooks is the real deal and the Red Snapper is the best in the league.

I was at the practice before the panthers game and it was real quiet with the news of both deaths before, I wasn't surprised with how they played saturday, plus its preseason, 5 games is alot for it and going 3-2 really means nothing. I think there will be some bumps, but I think they will go 10-6 but more likely 9-7 and again have a late playoff push once they put everything together. Again a great thing is, is that they kept all 9 picks, but ONLY ONE has to contribute right away, the rest get to learn, and thats real uncommon and cuts short alot of careers in the nfl. It kills me to say this but Dallas will be 1 and we'll probably split with them, but I don't get philly being rated so high, when mcnabb goes down they are done, plus they have one wr and the giants lost alot on d, plus boss has alot of pressure on him now and plax wants a new contract, so we should be in the mix for the second spot in the east all season.

Posted by: ? | September 2, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Josh,

There are a lot of people posting up here who adopt the Cerrato/Snyder Wizard of Oz model that you outline. Personally, I don't understand it.

Why would they tell Zorn to play Heyer over Jansen? Jansen stunk and surely this decision came from Zorn/Buges. Do you really think Zorn wanted to play Jansen but was forced to go with Heyer by "heyer-ups"?

As for the Brooks/Frost competition, Danny Smith and Jim Zorn have already stated that they made the decision. Do you think they were covering up? This hasn't been Zorn's style.

As to keeping the entire draft class, yeah Vinny probably did have a lot of say in that, as did the coaches. But Vinny's the General Manager now, and he is responsible for personnel selection. Zorn is the head coach. He's responsible for running the team. He's not Head Coach and General Manager.

Finally, do you really believe Zorn would work here if he didn't have enough authority to do his job? He doesn't strike me as the sort of guy who will be a hand puppet.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 2, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm impressed with what Zorn said in that radio interview, assuming it's true. Vinny may be (is) a straight up liar (part of his job), but I doubt Zorn is. I like Jansen sitting for the first game. My only concern is Crummey getting picked up by another team just to turn into something really good. If Mason missed the holes, then they were right to let him go. What else can I say, except I can't wait until Thurs night.

Posted by: Karen | September 2, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

My only concern is Crummey getting picked up by another team just to turn into something really good.

Posted by: Karen | September 2, 2008 8:26 PM

Taking someone off another team's practice squad and putting them on your roster is pretty rare, and I don't think Crummey showed anything in preseason that would make another team take him. Just my opinion. But if it happens, there is a silver lining: It says we have so much talent that others are raiding us to improve themselves.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 2, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

FATAL ACCIDENT AT SAMUELS’ HOUSE
Posted by Mike Florio on September 2, 2008, 7:35 p.m.
NBC 4 in Washington reports that the home of Redskins left tackle Chris Samuels was the site of a fatal ATV accident over the weekend.

Per the report, 24-year-old Lashana Nicole Wilson lost control of the ATV while driving it on a paved driveway. She struck a tree. Wilson wasn’t wearing a helmet, and she died the next day.

It’s not known whether Samuels was home at the time of the incident.

ATV accidents cause too many injuries and deaths, primarily because folks don’t understand or appreciate the power these machines possess. Also, they’re not designed to be driven on pavement, which can easily cause riders to lose control.

Most importantly, folks need to wear a helmet whenever riding on anything that moves on wheels and that doesn’t have seat belts.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Game is at 7pm, but what time is actual kickoff? Anyone, anyone? Bueller?

Posted by: bmo | September 2, 2008 8:21 PM
Here is the schedule I will be following, and I hope most of you who are not going to NY will follow this schedule also:

4:30 get your ankles taped
5:00 suit up
5:25 apply black-out under eyes
5:30 stretch out... we don't want any hammies when jumping out of the couch on the first "TD, Washington Redskins!"
6:45 Pop a huge bowl of popcorn
7:00 Prepare for the coin-toss.. It's the first decision of the year that counts, so let's get it right!

Did I forget anything?

Posted by: frediefritz | September 2, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Did I forget anything?


Posted by: frediefritz | September 2, 2008 8:39 PM
I know I didn't put in the time of the first drink. I didn't know if Curzon would be hitting tequila. I'm sure Big Murf will be bonging before 7 pm. So that little detail will have to be flexible. Just so whatever you're imbibing on will allow you to be alert for all 60 minutes.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 2, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Did I forget anything?

Posted by: frediefritz | September 2, 2008 8:39 PM

Some people enjoy a little alcohol with their fooball. Popcorn, but no beer? Otherwise, brilliant.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 2, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I remember hearing alot of good stuff about Crummey, or at least nothing bad about his potential. I can't see him going to another team and performing well (eventually) as a good thing. If our 1st team OL was young and not injury prone, I'd agree with you TE, but considering the state of the OL with its age and injuries, we can't afford to let any talent go.

Posted by: Karen | September 2, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

TE - let's hope we don't need any alcohol with our football.

Posted by: Karen | September 2, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Time to shut down the 'puter (I got a new laptop) for the night. I'll be back tomorrow morning to drain my brain of intelligent thoughts.

Posted by: Karen | September 2, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I remember hearing alot of good stuff about Crummey, or at least nothing bad about his potential.

Posted by: Karen | September 2, 2008 8:46 PM

I think he is what you'd call a project. A lot of potential, but a year or two away from being able to play in the NFL. That's what practice squads are for, and every team has a bunch of projects stashed on their squads. He just isn't ready to play now, and we have better young guys ahead of him -- Geisinger and Rinehart.

It would be interesting to know how many guys who start out on practice squads eventually develop into stars, how long it takes, and whether it's with their original team or another team. I'm guessing that most practice squad guys never make a roster and that most of those who do are backups.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 2, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Time to shut down the 'puter (I got a new laptop) for the night.

Posted by: Karen | September 2, 2008 8:49 PM

And was it a Mac or Vista?

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 2, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

I just read the craziest story on PFT. It can't be true. It states that while signing a contract with Detroit, someone stole Rudi Johnson's bags from out front of Matt Millen's office. On review of the video surveillence system it turns out it was recently released running back Tatum Bell. What a load of crap this is.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I just read the craziest story on PFT. It can't be true. It states that while signing a contract with Detroit, someone stole Rudi Johnson's bags from out front of Matt Millen's office. On review of the video surveillence system it turns out it was recently released running back Tatum Bell. What a load of crap this is.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2008 9:22 PM

now that is the funniest thing I have heard all day, thanks for sharing, has to be funnier than when Albert Connell (sp)stole money out of the redskins locker room or was it the Saints?

Posted by: Rudi's luggage | September 2, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

big freakin' nads

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

now that is the funniest thing I have heard all day, thanks for sharing, has to be funnier than when Albert Connell (sp)stole money out of the redskins locker room or was it the Saints?

Posted by: Rudi's luggage | September 2, 2008 9:33 PM

They're claiming it's the truth.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

So there are tickets available from the ticket office for the freaking HOME OPENER? Wow.

Repeat. WOW

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | September 2, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

now that is the funniest thing I have heard all day, thanks for sharing, has to be funnier than when Albert Connell (sp)stole money out of the redskins locker room or was it the Saints?

Posted by: Rudi's luggage | September 2, 2008 9:33 PM

It was the Saints. He claimed it was a prank.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 2, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the responses, scampbell, fredie, talent evaluator & others. Those certainly provide good evidence that Zorn is exercising the control that he should have. Especially b/c Zorn's turned out to be such a straight-shooter, it gives me extra confidence.

It was just that I've read some accounts about outcomes from when team owners don't see eye-to-eye with their coaches (a great little book called The Dark Side of the Game has a few good pages on it). And over the years I haven't been too happy with Snyder's early big-time acquisitions and his annual parade of new head coaches.

I guess this sort of stuff moreso to light during the season, when issues arise, people waffle decisions, lose or gain faith and trust.

Anyway it's good that everything seems smooth for now. But it'll be something to keep our eyes on over time, especially since there's so much new staff (beyond Zorn), and arguably in the case of Cerrato on the upper mgmt side of things too. Of course if the team flourishes it'll all be a blip on the radar, but if they don't it could be a bigger issue.

Posted by: Josh | September 2, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Now that some of the dust has settled and the season is upon us...these are my takes

We really don't know what will happen with this team and part of the fun is reading all these theories on Zorn, JC, Vinny, etc. All I ask for is time. I like Zorn's direction...we need a current NFL offense. I don't know about anyone else, but the one move that impressed me was starting Heyer over Jansen. No way Gibbs makes this move and it could blow up in his face, but he took the chance with the young guy. We've got a 24 year old RT and a HOF offensive line coach.

I don't like our secondary. I think we need to add an experienced corner to the nickel package.

But who knows...we'll find out Thursday!

Posted by: sicwidit | September 2, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

The Zorn interview on 980 was bizarre.

Pollin was following up and Zorn got his back-hairs up in a flash. Pollin was a pro and backed off with grace.

It was uncomfortable and weird.

Zorn needs to be composed at all times.

Let's hope this does not happen again.

Posted by: GAD | September 2, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah...

I wonder how Santana and Sinorice Moss' Thanksgiving conversation goes.

Where yo' ring at bruh???

Posted by: sicwidit | September 2, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse


Here's an interesting tid-bit for all those that like to re-live the past....

Is Antonio Pierce better than London Fletcher?

I say no, but he's younger...

Posted by: sicwidit | September 2, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to hear about that accident at Sameuls house.....

Posted by: 4th | September 2, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

And also Zorn doesn't strike me as a hand-puppet, but he is in a new role. Although Snyder and Cerrato do strike me as potential puppeteers (and it is a little odd that this the 2nd NFL rookie head coach they've hired).

Realistically I don't see the sit as a Wizard of Oz, or as anything conspiratorial. It's more of a question of degree, which will come to the forefront when the going gets tough.

Posted by: Josh | September 2, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I am excited to see how Zorn does.

But it's times like these when I miss Norv Turner.

Posted by: Josh | September 2, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse


10 Questions

1) How much did Portis run this locker
room under Gibbs?

2) Is Fred Smoot underrated as a starting
corner?

3) Is Jason Campbell really a bust?

4) How many touchdowns will Fred Davis
catch this season?

5) 4th and 2 at the goal line, Skins up 6
with 11 minutes left in the 4th
quarter...Does Zorn go for a TD or kick
a FG?

6) Is Demetric Evans ready to be that dude?

7) What does Todd Collins do for fun?

8) Barring injury to JC, do we see Todd
Collins this season?

9) Kelli Johnson or Pam Oliver?

10) Who could be the biggest find?
Erasmus James or Kareem Moore

Posted by: sicwidit | September 2, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

So how 'bout them Dawgs?

Posted by: The Truth | September 2, 2008 1:56 PM +++

I agree that UGA has a tough sked this year, but apparently the coaches who vote didn't approve of their first game, hence the slide out of first.

Posted by: RITCA | September 2, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

D-Bag division: drbatchelor, RITCA, AL Zeke, He Nate Me

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 2, 2008 5:12 PM

You named a division after me? That really sucks.

And I notice that you don't have a single anon on in any of the divisions. Like that's a big surprise.
+++
Actually he does have an anon. RITCA = Redskin Insider That Chooses Anononimity.

I have to admit though, that I really didn't want to be part of a d-bag division. I guess it's better than being in a T-bag division.

Posted by: RITCA | September 2, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing we get to 1-5, Brennan starts in place of JC.

Posted by: Xlnt | September 2, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

I know we all pretty much don't have a high regard for Len Pasquarelli of ESPN, but I actually heard him on the radio today saying that the Skins would contend for a wild card this year. He also said that Jason Campbell was a good, young QB that just needed more experience. Whatever his illness is/was, I like the medicine that they have him on.

Posted by: RITCA | September 2, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

One of those online personality quizes, eh?

1) Portis is a leader, but I don't think he's the domineering type.

2) No

3) No, Zorn sees his potential, he just need to get into flow with a good o-line

4) 3

5) FG

6) No

7) Makes China Dolls

8) No

9) Johnson

10) Erasmus James

Posted by: Josh | September 2, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

GAD, I don't agree with you at all about the Zorn interview. Pollin was being an ASS - as usual and Zorn simply put him in his place. I was delighted.

Posted by: Lisa | September 2, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

1) How much did Portis run this locker
room under Gibbs?

Not much. Does not seem like the alpha-male type to me.

2) Is Fred Smoot underrated as a starting
corner?

No.

3) Is Jason Campbell really a bust?

Based on the # of games he has played - No.

4) How many touchdowns will Fred Davis
catch this season?

6.

5) 4th and 2 at the goal line, Skins up 6
with 11 minutes left in the 4th
quarter...Does Zorn go for a TD or kick
a FG?

With Mr. Statistic Chris Meidt on the team, Zorn goes for it, run fake, bootleg and pass to Davis.

6) Is Demetric Evans ready to be that dude?

Yes.

7) What does Todd Collins do for fun?

Read 700 page playbooks.

8) Barring injury to JC, do we see Todd
Collins this season?

Yes, plenty of clean up games with Skins winning going away.

9) Kelli Johnson or Pam Oliver?

Kelli Johnson.

10) Who could be the biggest find?
Erasmus James or Kareem Moore

Kareem Moore. Good season this year, breakout season next year.


Posted by: Curzon417 | September 2, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bangkokben | September 3, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Whatever his illness is/was, I like the medicine that they have him on.

Posted by: RITCA | September 2, 2008 10:46 PM

Quadrouple bypass surgery. He was having a heart attack during the HOF voting. He finished voting, then went to the hospital......

Posted by: 4th | September 3, 2008 5:14 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 3, 2008 5:30 AM | Report abuse

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