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Unrestricted: Zorn Takes Blame

Jason Reid on Jim Zorn's self-analysis and assumption of blame for the Redskins' 1-5 slide:

By Cindy Boren  |  December 16, 2008; 9:15 AM ET
 
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If the Redskins take anybody during the draft that isn't directly located along the line of scrimmage (and not a TE), I might punch somebody in the face.

Posted by: psps23 | December 16, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

For a company with so much money the quality of these "unrestricted" postings need to improve big time. They don't even look or sound like they were recorded with quality equipment! Either do it professionally or stop coming up with BS to fill up the blog.

Posted by: BC1963 | December 16, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

I am going to ask everyone this:

WHAT 2 positions would you say the NFL has the most abundance of talent at ?

My vote goes to RB & LB.

Posted by: dspinx | December 16, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

The same site has us taking this guy in the 3rd.

Washington Redskins: Andy Kemp, G, Wisconsin


Posted by: Flounder21 | December 16, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Is there anywhere that lists how many picks (and what rounds) each NFL team has in the 09 draft?

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 16, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

If the Redskins take anybody during the draft that isn't directly located along the line of scrimmage (and not a TE), I might punch somebody in the face.

Posted by: psps23 | December 16, 2008 9:25 AM |

Whould you be OK with a stud LB?

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 16, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Is there anywhere that lists how many picks (and what rounds) each NFL team has in the 09 draft?

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 16, 2008 9:27 AM |

here you go Ryp,

http://www.walterfootball.com/nfldraftorder2009.php

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 16, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I'm thinking our we could pull one of the top three OT in this year's draft.

Those three, in order are Micheal Oher out of Miss. State, Andre Smith out of Bama, and Eugene Monroe out of Virginia.

I think all three of those guys can be instant starters and really I'd switch Monroe and Andre Smith, but everyone seems to rate Smith better.


We'll have to hope :

1) Some teams take skill position players to make the flashy pick.

2) We don't take a skill position player to make the flashy pick.


But looking at the top 15 or so, I think it depends on what juniors come out.


we're gonna miss that second rounder this year though, definitely

Posted by: TheTruth11

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 16, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Whould you be OK with a stud LB?

Posted by: Flounder21

I wouldn't it's a backwards theory if you don't have an above average D-Line tying up O-Lineman for the LB's to have freedom.
What I am trying to get at is there are so many talented LB's out there. Pick up say a Karlos Dansby with some mid-level free agent money. And go with a D-Line or O-Line pick.

Posted by: dspinx | December 16, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Whould you be OK with a stud LB?

Posted by: Flounder21

No. Stud LB's are generally only studs because (1) their defensive line free's them up to make plays, or (2) their defensive line is so bad, they're forced to make every tackle five yards past the LOS.

LB's are like RB's. Great ones only make your team great when they have quality lines in front of them. Unless that guy is the next coming of Lawrence Taylor and can average 12 sacks a season, no thank you to a LB.

Posted by: psps23 | December 16, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Truth,

What do you think of Curry (OLB) from Wake Forrest.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 16, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Sweet, thanks flounder - how bout we trade our first round for the 2 2nd rounders of Miami, NE or NYG?

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 16, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

flound how big is kemp?

I pushed for this last draft, and I'll push for it again, I want some road graders, some guys who can just wear a defense out by leaning on them. I still wish we picked Carl Nicks, and or the kid from Northern Iowa.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 16, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Sweet, thanks flounder - how bout we trade our first round for the 2 2nd rounders of Miami, NE or NYG?

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 16, 2008 9:35 AM

That would be great in theory but getting those GM's to do that will be hard.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 16, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

LB's are like RB's. Great ones only make your team great when they have quality lines in front of them.

Posted by: psps23 | December 16, 2008 9:34 AM


Couldn't have said it better myself, which is why I would never use a high pick or big Free Agent $$ on a RB or LB. Yes there are great stories of Adrian Petersons and LaDanian Tomlinson's that buck my theory......but for every Tomlinson there are Marion Barber's and Brandon Jacobs. High picks should go to Lineman

Posted by: dspinx | December 16, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Thw way I see it, because of the uncertainty of the 2010 NFL salsry structure, they could be a lot of underclassmen coming out. This should be a bumper year for talent, similar to the likes of the 1983 draft class. If that's the case, I could see the moving their thrid paired with the 2010 2nd or 1st round pick (if they still have these pickes) to move into the 2nd round of the 2009 draft. I say this because Danny would want to get things fixed in a hurry, and Zorn will be on the hotseat next year.

Posted by: TWISI | December 16, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Flound, don't be so negative.

NE traded a 2 and a 3 to move up to get Chad Jackson, where had they stayed put, they could have had Greg Jennings.

NE drafted Ben Watson with a 1st round pick
NE drafted Laurence Maroney with a 1st round pick.

They've had their share of hiccups lately.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 16, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Kemp is 6.6 315

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 16, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Here's a tip for Zorn if he wants to look at himself...

Step 1 - STOP GOING ON BIKE RIDES WITH GEORGE BUSH DURING THE NFL SEASON....this is when other much more competents coaches than you are game planning and trying to come up with ways to win. Most of them probably don't even sleep. Instead we have this chump Zorn going on bike rides and thinking he's smarter than the rest of the NFL. The last Redskins coach who put in this little effort during the season was Spurrier.

Basically Zorn is a coach without a good scheme and horrible work ethic.

Posted by: mmz114 | December 16, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

okay, with Aaron Curry, I really like all the 1st round linebackers in this year's draft.

James Laurinautus, Ray Maluaga, Aaron Curry, Brian Cushing

I like 'em all and I'm starting to think if we pick at #10-#15, we're gonna be taking one of those guys.

And I'm not gonna like it cause I'm 100% sold that we should be working on our OL in this draft.

Especially if the three tackles I talked about earlier are taken...if I had to bet I would say we take one of those four linebackers. We might let Cushing slide cause he's kinda the odd one out, but the other three, I'm pretty sure we're gonna take one.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 16, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Re: 2006 Draft Class

JLaC stated Archbingus got $10 Million when he only got $5 Mill from us. He got the other $5 from Chicago......

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 16, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

If the Skins are picking around 10 - 15 spot in the 1st round, they have a better chance of swapping 1st rounders and picking up a 2nd or 3rd. If a team picking late in the first round likes a player still on the board when the Skins pick, they can move back and pick up extra pick(s). You see this kind of trade every single draft. I think the Skins are more in need of Dlinemen in the draft. Anyone know some top guys to start looking at?

Posted by: TonyButterFingersHomo1 | December 16, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: TonyButterFingersHomo1 | December 16, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

Not trying to be negative, I just feel everything fell great last year in the draft with the picks we got. Hard to believe it will happen again.

Before everyone kills me I mean the draft slots we had not the picks we made, although still to early to tell on all of them.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 16, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

"Redskins executive VP Vinny Cerrato says his draft philosophy is, “You can’t just go take a need. The way that you can screw up your team is if you go draft a need, you’re gonna get a bunch of guys at those positions but you’re not gonna be happy with the results.”

I'm sorry, I just can't get passed this, how can you say this? How stupid is this guy, and how can Danny not read this and not go all Trumpy on him? This is just the dumbest thing I've heard in a while (and he goes on to lie or be too stupid to actually know the performance of Calias Campbell and Phillip Merling), that his the point of the draft stupid, to fill needs with the best players. Sure, maybe a round 1 choice you might take a special talent at a not need position over a good guy at a need position because he is a special talent, but not a whole draft of ignoring needs and just picking who you think might be the best guy on the board! MCFLY!!!

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 16, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

There are a lot of quality O tackles which will be available 1st round, but do we want a tackle when you know Jansen and Samuels are still gonna be here for another couple years?

Why not trade down and get 2 for the price of one, and pick up 2 guards or a G and C to replace Kendall and Thomas/Rabach?

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 16, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

If we are able to get two 2nd rounders I would use them on a RT and a DE.

Posted by: dspinx | December 16, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Truth,

Can Curry rush the passer or is he a traditional OLB.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 16, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Ryp.

If Jansen starts next year I will be pissed.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 16, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I think the Skins are more in need of Dlinemen in the draft.

D-Linemen? You're out of your mind. This team's far and away most pressing need is on OL. The OL is too old, too slow, and too broken to get it done over 16 games.

You can directly trace the decline in offensive production and the losing streak to the breakdown of the OL.

Posted by: VTDuffman | December 16, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Ryp.

If Jansen starts next year I will be pissed.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 16, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse


So will Jason Campbell

Posted by: Gweez | December 16, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

zj,

I saw that as well I agree that is not the standared for most GM's

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 16, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Flound, 10-4, negative was a bad choice of words on my part....

romo, there aren't a TON of top notch DL coming out in this draft, there is a kid from GT, Johnson, I think is his last name, goes 6'7, and 260, but could put on some pounds.

There are more OL prospects coming out this year, than DL....in my opin...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 16, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Flounder,

We really didn't improve at all with our trades last year. I think we netted 1 more pick than we would have normally, and it ended up being a very late rounder. Our big time trade was giving up #1, #3, and #5 for a #2, #2, and #4. At best, that's a wash.

Again I say if we trade back, we do it with purpose. We trade back to get a FUTURE pick. Give up our #1 for a late #2 this year, and pick up an extra #1 for next year. I'd have no problem sacrificing value from this draft if we pick up substantial value next draft.

Posted by: psps23 | December 16, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

beantown,

In regards to your posts on JLacs review of the 2006 Free Agent class and your dismissal of its relevance today--

In terms of going forward to 2009 it means several things besides the most obvious. The most critical is that someone in this organization is a horrible judge of free agent talent. Are those people still making decisions? I do not mean just Vinny, I also include the idiots who did the free agent scouting and recommendations--the ones who checked on Brandon Lloyd's character issues, the ones who dreamed ARE was pass receiver worth the money of a #1, the ones who saw Archuletta as a Sean Taylor type of safety. If those people are still at Redskin park, feeding Vinny this information then we have zero chance of getting a rebuilding right. Since we have blown last year's draft and only have 4 picks for next year we are probably going to be heavy players in the FA market. So indeed if we have scouts that can not even get the talent level right on professional football players were there is a wealth of information then we are stuck dead in the water. Part of looking at rebuilding for 2009 and beyond will require firing most of the scouting staff and those responsible for evaluating talent at the professional level.

Posted by: driley | December 16, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

A good team can never have enough backup TE's. This should be the focus.

Posted by: The_Spear | December 16, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Rypien11,

If we are to improve we cannot allow Jansen back on the field again for us. If someone gets injured and he is thrust in there then so be it, but never again if we can prevent it. I know with his salary it makes it tough to let him go. But he is just not playing up to par at all. Definitely the weakest link on the line. Draft a stud RT !

Posted by: dspinx | December 16, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Flounder - as long as we release Heyer, that would be ok with me. But Jansen isnt going anywhere, and we don't really need 3 RTs....

Unfortunately, we are hamstrung by Thomas' contract, which is ridiculous for him. But we should find a guy to replace him and have him play backup.

Rabach has 1 or 2 more years, but I think we should find a replacement for him and have him play backup...

Kendall is gone and LG MUST be one of our picks...

Samuels will be here another 4 years too.

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 16, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I think Rabach remains the starting C next year. Everything else on the o-line should be up in the air.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 16, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

F vinny!

as far as danny learning anything and firing vinny...his quote from last year regarding hiring a gm and such:

"if it aint broke why fix it"

F the FO!

Posted by: dealer1 | December 16, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 16, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I'm not saying I WANT Jansen starting, but not sure if well be able to get 2 quality starters to replace both him and Kendall.

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 16, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

okay...maybe i'm not a very happy dude...but why are you guys talking about the draft? this team's needs don't lie in the draft.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 16, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

If only these guys would have talked to JLC! Everything would've been ok!

Posted by: Lacantwrite | December 16, 2008 8:34 AM

Funny post.....

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 16, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

okay...maybe i'm not a very happy dude...but why are you guys talking about the draft? this team's needs don't lie in the draft.

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I could not agree more, we all know good teams win through free agency and the Redskins under Snyder have has some of the best luck at working the free agent market. the draft, that's for losers.

Posted by: The_Spear | December 16, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I think the Skins are more in need of Dlinemen in the draft.

D-Linemen? You're out of your mind. This team's far and away most pressing need is on OL. The OL is too old, too slow, and too broken to get it done over 16 games.

You can directly trace the decline in offensive production and the losing streak to the breakdown of the OL.

Posted by: VTDuffman | December 16, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Out of my mind? Look at the current roster. The OL definetly needs some picks from the draft, but Samuels will be the LT for at least a couple more years, Heyer is a starter who can play RT or LT and should start over Jansen if he's back. Rabach will look a lot better with some younger stronger G's next to him. One of which may already be on the roster (Rhinehart). So I say they need to take at least 2 OL in this draft, one of which can push to start at one of the G positions. Kendal and Thomas are long in the tooth. Look at the D Line! Yes the Skins havent drafted an OL in years high in the draft recently, but think about drafting high for DL. The last one that comes to mind is Kenard Lang in the 1st round (Miami) back in like 1997. Griff is an old beat up man. Carter and Taylor are F@#$ING JOKES ON THE EDGE and cant stop the run. They have 2 young DT's from the 2005 draft that are good rotational guys at this point... but a stud DT or DE? Hell no! They need a manimal in there like Ware in dallas, or like Tuck/Kiwanuka/Uminura in NY. So I say 3 spots on the OL are ok, but NO spots on teh DLine are OK. Am I still out of my mind?

Posted by: TonyButterFingersHomo1 | December 16, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I say, even if Jansen is here another year or two, they should still draft a OT (along with several other O-line prospects). If Jansen starts next year, he'll start well and then get some kind of injury where he will either sit out for several games or insist on playing and hobble around clumsily.

If we draft a stud OT, he can be mentored by Jansen for a the first few weeks and then step in when he has the inevitable injury.

I say Vinnie should go for Volume. He should trade down and trade stars and get a bevy of snarling beef on the line.

I'm sick of watching the skins get bullied on the line of scrimmage.

Posted by: heyjoe728 | December 16, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Gentleman;I'm not sure i'd be comfortable with our scouting department after last years draft debacle sooooo what are we to do? THANK YOU FLOUNDER 21 for the info on the draft.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 16, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Gentleman;I'm not sure i'd be comfortable with our scouting department after last years draft debacle sooooo what are we to do? THANK YOU FLOUNDER 21 for the info on the draft.
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Well, I have been keeping my fingers crossed that Jeremy Macklin from Missouri comes out in this years draft. If so, you have nothing to worry about all wee need is another undersized speedy wide receiver. It was what missed with last years crop of receivers.

Posted by: The_Spear | December 16, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

My question...Are Snyder/Cerrato willing to deconstruct this team? Are they afraid to jettison the dead weight, go young and take a 4-12, 3-13 season? I think it might be necessary to get the cap room and draft picks necessary to rebuild this team the right way. At that point the debate on if these guys can pick the right players will be relevant.

Posted by: jkp7 | December 16, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

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