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USC LB Maualuga to Visit

USC linebacker Rey Maualuga is expected to visit the Redskins today in Ashburn, according to his representatives.

Besides the Redskins, he has visitedwith the 49ers, Dolphins, Chiefs, Chargers and will visit the Rams and Titans later this week, according to a league source. Many have him projected as going a bit deeper than 13th in the draft and he is one of three USC linebackers drawing first-round interest.

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At 7 tonight -- as if you needed reminding -- the schedule will be announced. How would you arrange the games?

Home games: New Orleans, Tampa Bay, St. Louis, Denver, Kansas City, Philly, Dallas and NY Giants;

Road games: Carolina, Atlanta, Detroit, San Diego, Oakland, Philly, Dallas and the NY Giants.

By Jason La Canfora  |  April 14, 2009; 9:58 AM ET
 
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He will look perfect in burgundy and gold.

Posted by: brian58 | April 14, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

First

Posted by: whitmerdavid | April 14, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

He will look perfect in burgundy and gold.

Posted by: brian58 | April 14, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Just say "no" to Pac-10 players in Round 1. Grab a proven OL from the SEC.

'Nuff said.

Posted by: swowra | April 14, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Wait a minute; he doesn't have any knee OR back problems, so he's probably not our guy. Although if Danny Boy decides he's the one, maybe he can borrow an enforcer or two from a loanshark to fix the problem. He might know one from Six Flags.

Posted by: groundhogdayguy | April 14, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Please don't do this.

sing it, Tina:

"We don't need another Hammmmy"....

...maps....

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 14, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: CindyBoren | April 14, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

There is no other way to open the new Cowboys stadium than with a Skins at Cowboys matchup. Hopefully,the Skins will win like they did in their final trip to Texas Stadium.

Posted by: jeremybozz | April 14, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Joe Bugel tends to side with vets,

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2009 10:04 AM

This is a crock. Joe Bugel prefers to put the best man he can find on the line. Problem is that in the last few years the rookies he's been given have been low round picks or walk ons. Given him a talented rookie tackle and the guy will be on the field for every offensive play.

Didn't Derrick Dockery start as a rookie?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

"Joe Bugel tends to side with vets, which may have something to do with why as a position coach, Jansen continued to start at right tackle when Zorn himself said early on in the season he wanted Stephon Heyer to prosper at the position."

Sure, it "may" have had something to do with that, but it may have also been that the team, and particularly Portis, was on fire with Jansen starting. And it may have also been Zorn that chose Jansen over Heyer, not the other way around.

And Bugel doesn't always side with vets. Just two years ago, Bugel gave the starting RT spot to Stephon Heyer, and undrafted rookie, when Jansen went down. Derrick Dockery also started from the outset of his career, and Bugel had a heck of a time with his on-the-job training (though Bugel came in a year after he was drafted), beginning with the automatic false-start Dockery was to start his career and ending with him becoming the highest paid guard in the history of the league, via Buffalo.

Bugel isn't some senile, naive old coach that can't see what's best in front of him. If the team gets an Andre Smith, and Andre Smith turns out as expected (more talented than either of the two in front of him), he'll be starting from day one. If not, he won't. It's that simple. It's not like Bugel/Zorn chose ground beef over filet mignon last season. They had one guy who 'didn't get it' until late in the season, and another that was beaten out by an equivalent player.

Posted by: psps23 | April 14, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

'...Grab a proven OL from the SEC...'


No argument there.

But maybe 'Bama's Antione Caldwell--center/guard is the player we should reach for.

Nothing against the tackle Smith, btw, but we also need a guy to replace Rabach/Thomas.

Having a kid who can play both center and guard well wouldn't hurt at all and may make one of the vets expendable.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Yeah Moe, Rabach is getting long in the tooth and made some bonehead penalties last year (a called back touchdown iirc).

I say all 5 picks on OL and hopefully 3 will pan out, with 1 as an immediate starter.

The D has already received enough love.

Posted by: swowra | April 14, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

'...This is a crock. Joe Bugel prefers to put the best man he can find on the line...'


Bugel doesn't side with vets?

I guess the fact that he doesn't explains why we have such a young and athletic line with no starter over 29.

But I know--that's not Buges' fault. The blame falls on the FO and not his advocating for the position strong enough, right?

I guess a coach who doesn't like vets doesn't chime up during draft reviews and say, "Hey, when am I'm going to get some young draftees to mold? We already have a pro bowl tight end and have drafted a receiver already. Geez."

To me, Buges is like Gibbs in that they'd prefer to squeeze all they can out of an older guy when sometimes you have to put some faith in a young one. The lack of doing this is why so many areas of the team are as beat down as they are--like the offensive line, for example.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Strength of schedule figures, fyi:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=4027503
Posted by: CindyBoren | April 14, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

If you add a teams W/L record to their SoS you get a really good idea for how solid a team really is. I posted those stats about 2 weeks after the regular season.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 14, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Strength of schedule figures, fyi:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=4027503
Posted by: CindyBoren | April 14, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

If you add a teams W/L record to their SoS you get a really good idea for how solid a team really is. I posted those stats about 2 weeks after the regular season.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 14, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

"Flip Saunders has reached an agreement to become the new coach of the Washington Wizards next season, according to multiple reports."

Posted by: swowra | April 14, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Picking a linebacker in this draft in the first round would be stupid. The Redskins defense can operate without a superstar linebacker. Trading down for two second round picks and then picking up a linebacker and offensive lineman is the way to go. Incidentally, Greg Paulus (Duke B-Ball) was worked out by the Packers as a QB. This guy is the ultimate developmental project and the Redskins should be interested. I wouldn't use a draft pick on him, but the guy was a national top ten player coming out of high school and warrants at least a workout. Maybe they can pick him up as an undrafted free agent. What would it hurt?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 14, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Skins Fans!
I would opt for Tyson Jackson with draft ranking of 19 compared to Ray Maualuga with draft ranking of 25; besides, if the skins were to use #13 on defense, It will make more sense to draft a defensive end with size and Tyson Jackson is 6-4/295. We have several linebackers on roaster, but no other reliable defensive end beside carter.
I may be wrong, correct me.
Hail!

Posted by: abxinc | April 14, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

moe, Jon Lester is struggling, probably worse than Chin M. Wang is at this point. Not a good start to the year for our teams...Tampa Bay is gonna be trouble all year long....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 14, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

My prediction of the day:

First Oppenent against CowGirls in their new stadium:

Washington Redskins, Week Two

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 14, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Road games: Carolina, Atlanta, Detroit, San Diego, Oakland, Philly, Dallas and the NY Giants.

Tough but road interesting games:

Carolina (Peppers v. Samuels)

San Diego (Rivers v. Redskins secondary)

Atlanta (The Gold Club v. Players' free time and unlimited income)

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

'...Tampa Bay is gonna be trouble all year long....'

From where I sit, the Cardinals, Rays, Marlins should all dominant.

The Diamondbacks and Cubs will enter the mix as the year moves on.

And the Orioles don't look too shabby either.

I still won't count out the Yanks and Sox as somehow, their money will change everything.

And it's only April 14th.

Chill.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Don't waste time with this greg paulus junk why don't we also let iverson play qb I hear he was good in high school too.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 14, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

All Road games are tough Moe.

There aren't too many REALLY tough games.

Tough: Carolina (Originally Redskins Country), Atlanta (Lots of Redskins fans), Detriot (Lost Fans), San Diego (Fans can get real quiet real fast), Oakland (Fans just look crazy, All bark, No Bite).

And Dallas always seems to have a good sprinkling of Redskins Fans. I can imagine Redskins Fans will be infiltrating the new Stadium.

So, that only leaves us with NYG and Philly. CP26 is averaging atleast 1 TD/game against the eagles over his 5 years here.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 14, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

How come there's never been an entry by Skins fans in the big peeps contest???

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gallery/2009/04/10/GA2009041001969.html

Posted by: CindyBoren | April 14, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Tyson Jackson would be an awesome addition. He can stuff the run and move inside on pass rushing downs. It would be a real dilema if he and Smith were on the board at 13.

You could take Jackson because this draft is rich in OT's, so we can get a good one in round 3 (Britton, Beatty, Meredith, Loadholt...) We're looking for a RT, so one of those guys as a third rounder should fill the bill. If we were desperate for a LT, I would use the top pick for that and not look back.

Posted by: edvar | April 14, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

There are very few true DE's on the board with Jacksons size and abilities. Gotta at least think about him...

Posted by: edvar | April 14, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Can we play all our games on the road, since we have no home field advantage?

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 14, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

edvar - That should be easy. Greatest need would be DE. So, they should go with Jackson in that case.

We have 2 serviceable RTs this year. One of them is very young. Sameuls may last another 3/4 years.

We have a one-year stop-gap this year @ LDE.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 14, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

What round is Caldwell grading into?

The Skins need to sign backups at C, RG, and RT. Players who can line up at multiple positions [C/G or G/T] would allow the team to keep an additional skill player. If Thomas doesn't recover from neck surgery and/or Jansen can't pass protect, then the Skins may require replacements at starting RT and/or RG...

Posted by: siris | April 14, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

ed, Britton, Beatty, Meredith, Loadholt...

those guys will be going off the board late 1, and early 2, based on all projections....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 14, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

But maybe 'Bama's Antione Caldwell--center/guard is the player we should reach for.

Preach on Moe.......maybe someone will read it & see the light!!

Posted by: will_ga | April 14, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Monday, April 13
FORMULA FOR SUCCESS
By John Oehser - Special to Colts.com


Colts President Bill Polian Discusses Need-Talent Graph
INDIANAPOLIS – The way Bill Polian sees it, it's not always easy to provide a definition of exactly how the Colts approach the NFL Draft when it comes to need versus potential.

The easier approach, he said, is to provide an example. And to Polian, the example is obvious:

Wide receiver Reggie Wayne.

Polian, preparing for his 12th draft as the Colts' President, said recently he recalls well the circumstances around the 2001 NFL Draft, as many Colts fans likely do. The Colts needed defense. They didn't necessarily need wide receiver.

The Colts traded down from the No. 22 selection to No. 30.

And still, Polian said, they weren't crazy about the defensive players available.

But they liked Wayne, and believed him the best player available at that spot.

They needed him just enough, and selected him with the No. 30 selection.

“He's



the most glaring example,” Polian said. “Most people thought the last thing we'd ever do was to take a wide receiver that year.”

Polian added with a laugh:

“We thought so, too.”

Continued:

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 14, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Get an offensive lineman.

Posted by: jercha | April 14, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

The reason the Colts selected Wayne, Polian said, was what he called when the “need axis” and the “talent access” met, meaning that while the most-glaring need on paper that season may not have been receiver, as the draft wore on and Wayne was still on the board, his value became too obvious to not select him.

“When it came time to pick, we didn't have a consensus on a defensive player,” Polian said. “There was Reggie sticking out like a sore thumb, as the best player. We said, 'Take him.'

“It worked out fine.”

The theory, Polian said, is based upon a long-standing football philosophy that a team can find a way for good players to contribute, and that good players – no matter the position – drafted for their ability will help a team more than average ones drafted for need.

And through the years, Polian said the Colts have adhered to that philosophy, which may be a reason the Colts' selection often is different than analysts and observers performing various versions of mock drafts.

The Colts in 2003 for example were widely believed to need defensive help. Instead, they selected tight end Dallas Clark.

Since 1998, Polian's first season, the Colts have been one of the most consistently-success drafting teams, a trend that is particularly true in Round One. Since 1998, the Colts' first selections have combined to make 23 Pro Bowls, and it's a list that consists of the following players:

• Quarterback Peyton Manning (nine), 1998.

• Running back Edgerrin James (four), 1999.

• Wayne (three), 2001.

• Defensive end Dwight Freeney (four), 2002.

• Safety Bob Sanders (two), 2004.

• Running back Joseph Addai (2006).

Other Colts draftees in the Polian era to make the Pro Bowl include linebacker Cato June (one), safety Antoine Bethea (one) and defensive end Robert Mathis (one), and with 26 Pro Bowls in 11 drafts, Polian said he maintains a philosophy that's simple in concept if not in execution.

“You measure the talent available to you and you try to measure their talent as best you can, and all of the other concerns you come to the table with,” Polian said. “Then, you try to take the best player. I just think you try to take the best player, basically.”

It's an approach Polian said the Colts take well beyond Round 1. In fact, he said, it's a draft-long approach and has been for years.

“We don't draft specific need almost anywhere,” he said. “If the need line and talent line cross, then fine, but we try always to take the best player.”

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 14, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

When you have a draft that's rich in a certain position, the goal should be to take that position. Not reach for another position simply because there are few prospects out there.

This draft is rich in OTs, particularly in the 1st round. Smart money tells you to draft an OT. To me, it's backwards logic to say "this draft is rich in tackles, and for this reason we should select a DE".

That being said, Jackson is a good prospect. "Good" being the key word. He's essentially a one-dimensional role-player (a glorified Demetric Evans or Philip Daniels). He solidifies the line, but doesn't extend its potential (unless he exceeds his own).

The top 3, possibly top 4 tackles are elite. They are cornerstones waiting to be implemented. It's a no-brainer. If one falls to you, and you need one of them, that's the selection. They shouldn't think twice about it.

Posted by: psps23 | April 14, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I'd be ok with Tyson. If maclin and sanchez go before us we should have a shot at him, or preferably a stud OL

Posted by: AdamCr | April 14, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

wouldn't really mind Maualuga over Andre Smith if it came down to that. Would prefer Smith, but Maualuga is a special talent I think.

Also, maybe we should draft Knowshon Rockwell Moreno, just to keep him off the Eagles. Seriously, almost EVERY mock has them picking Knowshon Rockwell Moreno. That would suck balls, I can't cheer against the guy!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 14, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Bugel doesn't side with vets?

I guess the fact that he doesn't explains why we have such a young and athletic line with no starter over 29.

But I know--that's not Buges' fault. The blame falls on the FO and not his advocating for the position strong enough, right?

I guess a coach who doesn't like vets doesn't chime up during draft reviews and say, "Hey, when am I'm going to get some young draftees to mold? We already have a pro bowl tight end and have drafted a receiver already. Geez."

To me, Buges is like Gibbs in that they'd prefer to squeeze all they can out of an older guy when sometimes you have to put some faith in a young one. The lack of doing this is why so many areas of the team are as beat down as they are--like the offensive line, for example.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2009 10:33 AM

You got nothing, Moe, when you try to blame the lack of OL talent on Joe Bugel.

Do you remember last year when Buges was telling everyone in the league that he wanted the Redskins to draft Branden Albert from UVa? Do you think that was because he loved his super-annuated veteran line?

So, yeah, the front office gave him Chad Rinehart.

Who were the last linemen they drafted for him before that? No one in the 2007 draft -- they got Heyer as a FA. In 2006 they got Kili Lofuto in the seventh round. In 2005 they didn't pick an O lineman. In 2004 they took Mark Wilson in round five and Joe Molinaro in the sixth.

So your take on this is that he "doesn't chime up in draft reviews"? How do you know that? Who's your source? He's out telling the world that he wants Brandon Albert, but he didn't mention this in the draft review meeting?

Joe Bugel's the O Line coach. He doesn't control player selection. That's not his job, and it's not his responsibility. So how can you blame Joe Bugel for the aging O line? Crazy.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I disagree with the depth perception of tackles PSP.

Elite are top 3. Oher and others aren't in it. Him and others are being lump to into that category to their advantage.

Oher is not a top 20 prospect. Why draft him @ 13? Why reach when you don't need to for a bust (of the future)?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 14, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Why reach when you don't need to for a bust (of the future)?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 14, 2009 11:30 AM

You're saying he's a bust? Can't agree with that. Everyone agrees that Oher has big upside, but he's not yet on a level with the first three. The reason you'd take him at 13 is because your biggest need is OT and you don't have pick #20 which is about where he "should" go.

If you can trade down and take him at 20, great. But it usually doesn't work out that smoothly.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

First really tough game will be week 2...

@ Dallas on National TV to open the new stadium...No doubt this will end up on our schedule

Posted by: JLR75 | April 14, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I'm just happy we don't have to go down to Tampon Bay again this year :)

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | April 14, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

On the Eagles chances of trading for Jason Peters:

The Eagles want to get younger on the offensive line, which is why they didn’t retain free agent starting tackles Tra Thomas, 34, and Jon Runyan, 35. They signed Stacy Andrews to replace Runyan on the right side and are toying with moving right guard Shawn Andrews, Stacy’s brother, to fill Thomas’ spot. But Shawn Andrews hasn’t played tackle since college. Peters would be a better option because he has already proven himself as a Pro Bowlcaliber player.

And the Eagles have plenty of salary cap space to accommodate Peters’ demands.

The Eagles have the most draft picks of any team (12), including two in the first round. But their firstround selections (21st and 28th) are too low to get one of the draft’s elite offensive tackles. They might be able to get Peters with one of the firstround picks. Add that to the 11th choice they already own, and the Bills would be able to get one of the draft’s top offensive tackles while addressing another need at either defensive end, outside linebacker or tight end with the Eagles’ pick.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 14, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

But TE, we have greater needs then selecting a late 1st round caliber player with #13.

We would get better value with drafting Cushing in that case, though there are a few good starting caliber OLB in round 2-3.

I'll be introducing the Redskins Big board in a few days. I have it in my head, but this tax stuff is driving me crazy........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 14, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

But TE, we have greater needs then selecting a late 1st round caliber player with #13.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 14, 2009 11:45 AM

4th -- I think this is the needs vs. value (best player available) debate. Personally, I think we have too great a need at LT. If we don't solve that problem in the draft -- and I think Oher is a solution -- then we don't have an offense in the NFC East this year. But, I accept that others can disagree.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

The idea that we will pass up an O-Lineman because he is not ready to start in favor of a defensive player who may start just exemplifies the arrogance and stupidity of the FO. The Skins are NOT one player away from a Superbowl! We need to rebuild the O-Line, it is the only way to create a championship caliber team!

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 14, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

If people take what Polian says for wisdom then I think it supports the Maualuga cause. My personal test is, how fun is this guy to watch? Answer in this case, Maualuga would be way fun to watch.

I also think Colt Brennan is way fun to watch.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 14, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

The Eagles have the most draft picks of any team (12), including two in the first round. But their firstround selections (21st and 28th) are too low to get one of the draft’s elite offensive tackles. They might be able to get Peters with one of the firstround picks. Add that to the 11th choice they already own, and the Bills would be able to get one of the draft’s top offensive tackles while addressing another need at either defensive end, outside linebacker or tight end with the Eagles’ pick.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 14, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I know the chances are slim that the Skins trade with a division rival and help them get an OT, but if there is no strong viable option at 13, I wouldn't mind if they traded down with the Eagles and picked up their 21 & 28 picks. I don't know if how that equates in relation to value with those swaps, but they could still pick up a Britton and a DE or OLB that could come in and make a difference.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 14, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

My personal test is, how fun is this guy to watch? Answer in this case, Maualuga would be way fun to watch.

I also think Colt Brennan is way fun to watch.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 14, 2009 11:51 AM |

This puts you in the Dan Snyder camp -- draft the guy who's fun to watch. That's why he never picks O linemen. No fun watching a guy block.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I know the chances are slim that the Skins trade with a division rival and help them get an OT, but if there is no strong viable option at 13, I wouldn't mind if they traded down with the Eagles and picked up their 21 & 28 picks. I don't know if how that equates in relation to value with those swaps, but they could still pick up a Britton and a DE or OLB that could come in and make a difference.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 14, 2009 11:57 AM

This is why the 'Skins have five picks and the Eagles have ten: they don't make stupid trades like this with their picks.

In this case, we wouldn't be helping the Eagles, we'd be stealing from them. For what the Eagles would be giving up, they should be able to get the seventh pick, not the 13th.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

4th -- I think this is the needs vs. value (best player available) debate. Personally, I think we have too great a need at LT. If we don't solve that problem in the draft -- and I think Oher is a solution -- then we don't have an offense in the NFC East this year. But, I accept that others can disagree.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 11:49 AM

Wea agree on the method. It just seems our Big Board's differ. You seem to have Oher rated higher on your board. He's not even on my big board.

Do you mean RT, or do you not think Sameuls won't last this year as well?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 14, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

This puts you in the Dan Snyder camp -- draft the guy who's fun to watch. That's why he never picks O linemen. No fun watching a guy block.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I disagree, something fun about watching a great run blocking lineman put 2-3 guys on their back in a single play when they pull on a stretch play.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 14, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

busy day, just wanted to drop by and see what the scuttlebutt was all about today

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 14, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I think Maualuga is undervalued by most mock drafts. I think they put too much stock in his combine 40 time and didn't take into account his 4.6 time at his pro day. And I liked what I heard when one analyst said he's the best blitzing LB he's seen in a long time. I also think about how Mayo ran up the draft board late last year - if he'd been available the Skins might not have traded back.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 14, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Rey is fun to watch whooping up on players that couldn't start at USC might be different against NFL talent. Isn't he a step slow? Good player but not for 13 IMO

Posted by: AdamCr | April 14, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Wea agree on the method. It just seems our Big Board's differ. You seem to have Oher rated higher on your board. He's not even on my big board.

Do you mean RT, or do you not think Sameuls won't last this year as well?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 14, 2009 12:03 PM |

Yes, I did mean RT. And I would rate him about 20-25, but would take him at 13 if Smith is gone, which seems likely.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

something fun about watching a great run blocking lineman put 2-3 guys on their back in a single play when they pull on a stretch play.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 14, 2009 12:03 PM

Highlight reel! Not.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Not going to happen. I think that the Eagles are actually too smart to give up 2 first rounders for one. That is a Skins move. if anything maybe a 1st and a 2nd or 3rd.

Posted by: moosepod | April 14, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

This puts you in the Dan Snyder camp -- draft the guy who's fun to watch. That's why he never picks O linemen. No fun watching a guy block.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 11:59 AM

Well, I don't know what the Danny is watching. I know he's signed guys that USED to be fun to watch. Like Archeletta or Bruce Smith. And to be sure, I used to think Grimm and Jacoby and Bostic were way fun to watch. And Andre Smith would definitely be fun to watch, but I think he's gone before 13.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 14, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Rey is fun to watch whooping up on players that couldn't start at USC might be different against NFL talent. Isn't he a step slow? Good player but not for 13 IMO

Posted by: AdamCr | April 14, 2009 12:05 PM

He's 250 and runs a 4.6 40. That's way fast.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 14, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Is there any buzz on Alexander being OL/DL or OLB?

Posted by: Keyskonnection | April 14, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

And Andre Smith would definitely be fun to watch, but I think he's gone before 13.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 14, 2009 12:11 PM

Andre Smith will be like all linemen -- invisible to the camera except when he gives up a sack, and then only on the rerun. Camera sees the QB, the RB, and the receivers.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Is there any buzz on Alexander being OL/DL or OLB?

Posted by: Keyskonnection | April 14, 2009 12:13 PM |

Only among us blooogers. 'Skins probably won't make a decision until after the draft, and maybe way after the draft.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

This is why the 'Skins have five picks and the Eagles have ten: they don't make stupid trades like this with their picks.

In this case, we wouldn't be helping the Eagles, we'd be stealing from them. For what the Eagles would be giving up, they should be able to get the seventh pick, not the 13th.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Probably right. But I don't think with two late 1st rounders they'd be able to move into the top 8 though.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 14, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Ok point taken but I don't want a linebacker. We need to fortify the lines! Rather see what's up at LB with Wilson/blades/fincher. Why can't we have the next James Harrison on our bench? In terms of upside I think Wilson or fincher could be a surprise.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 14, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Probably right. But I don't think with two late 1st rounders they'd be able to move into the top 8 though.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 14, 2009 12:18 PM

Jacksonville has #8 and are said to be "desperate" to trade down. I don't know if that's accurate, but if it is then the two Eagles' picks would represent fair value.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Andre Smith will be like all linemen -- invisible to the camera except when he gives up a sack, and then only on the rerun. Camera sees the QB, the RB, and the receivers.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 12:14 PM

That's less true on running plays. I remember when Riggings used to run the tre holding onto Jacoby's belt until he got in the secondary. And during the year when Betts ran for 1100 yards you had a healthy Randy Thomas making blocks downfield for all to see. Of course, in my scheme of things you can take an OLman if it makes your RB or QB more fun to watch.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 14, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

trade the pick for more picks... plenty of solid starting o-linemen and linebackers in this draft...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | April 14, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Of course, in my scheme of things you can take an OLman if it makes your RB or QB more fun to watch.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 14, 2009 12:24 PM

In my scheme of things you take an O lineman if it makes your scoreboard more fun to watch.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

trade the pick for more picks... plenty of solid starting o-linemen and linebackers in this draft...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | April 14, 2009 12:24 PM

Okay! Good theory. How does it work in practice? Who are we going to trade with, and for what? And why would they want to trade up to #13? There's a lot of talk about how the "value" in this draft is in picks 20 and below.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Rey is fun to watch whooping up on players that couldn't start at USC might be different against NFL talent.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 14, 2009 12:05 PM

The opposition he played against is a concern. One does feel better about taking players from the SEC.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 14, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

As I posted earlier, the only logical choice at #13 is a SLB. I would be very pleased with Maualuga being available then.

There is enough d-line personnel to mix and match and be productive on the team. I also feel that between Jansen and Heyer they can be ok on the right side of the o-line.

There is just too much of a glaring need at the SLB that there really is no choice than to draft at that position. I prefer Maualuga over Cushing, better upside.

Posted by: gallrick | April 14, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

In my scheme of things you take an O lineman if it makes your scoreboard more fun to watch.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 12:25 PM

Maybe all you need is a radio and a chalkboard.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 14, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for drafting the 'best player', but have zero faith in Cerrato's ability to choose that guy. Last year, his top three picks were a receiver with bad knees, another who had only played one season at a non-premier college, a tight end who the team, by its own admission, had never worked out (Davis) and an O-lineman from a minor, second-tier program. There were far safer prospects, but Cerrato rolled the dice on all four choices and the returns have so far been embarrassing. Rey Maualuga feels like another risky pick. While he looks great on film, it should be remembered that he played with two other elite linebackers. It is easy to look good at any position when you are surrounded by great talent. Rey smacks as another sexy 'game-changing' pick, when what we desperately need - and have for nearly two decades - is muscle in the trenches. I say best OT available.

Posted by: SammyT1 | April 14, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I also feel that between Jansen and Heyer they can be ok on the right side of the o-line.

Posted by: gallrick | April 14, 2009 12:29 PM |

This would only be true if you could put both of them on the field at the same time in a 12-man formation. Jansen and Heyer: good. Jansen or Heyer: risky.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Maybe all you need is a radio and a chalkboard.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 14, 2009 12:31 PM

Ha, ha! That and a new right tackle.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if this has been posted already (the article is 6 days old), but I was reading this article on Forbes.com regarding the best and worst teams in the NFL when drafting players. It appears that Forbes did their rankings according to how many players that were drafted by that team are currently playing for that team after three years... I don't know if it's a good method or not because some of the most successful teams rank near the bottom.

Hint: The best drafting team is in Texas...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 14, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

From Fox Sports, grading every team:

WASHINGTON: The Redskins did a lot with only 23 picks between 2003-07, although they were devastated by the loss of All-Pro safety Sean Taylor, who was murdered during a home invasion. The 2005 draft produced CB Carlos Rogers and QB Jason Campbell. The next two drafts produced starters Kedric Golston, Rocky McIntosh and free safety LaRon Landry. The key to the Redskins will be if last season's top three picks, all receivers, display some maturity and toughness. If they do, Campbell will have a chance to succeed.
Picks: 33
First-round picks: 4
Starters: 8
Pro Bowlers: 2
Grade: B

Posted by: ga8085 | April 14, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Agree on all counts sammy

Posted by: AdamCr | April 14, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Agree on all counts sammy. That said, if the top 4 OTs are gone even though I'd prefer Tyson Jackson or even oher we could do worse than rey.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 14, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Draft a OL in the first and there should be some good DE available in the 3rd.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80fb9f60&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Posted by: Redskins001 | April 14, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"I disagree with the depth perception of tackles PSP.

Elite are top 3. Oher and others aren't in it. Him and others are being lump to into that category to their advantage.

Oher is not a top 20 prospect. Why draft him @ 13? Why reach when you don't need to for a bust (of the future)?

Posted by: 4thFloor"

Oher may not be elite in the class that Smith, Smith, and Monroe are, but neither are any of the LBs outside of Aaron Curry, or any of the defensive linemen outside of BJ Raji (and arguably Orakpo).

So either none of them are "top 20" prospects in the vacuum sense of the term (meaning top 20 on an average draft year, which includes Cushing, Maualuga, Matthews, Brown, Jackson, Ayers, and even my preferential defensive selection, Maybin), or they all are due to having nobody bridge the gap between elite and good.

And when push comes to shove, the need for RT this year and offensive linemen as a whole in the future pushes Oher above the rest.

Posted by: psps23 | April 14, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

great post sammy!

Posted by: chrislarry | April 14, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I've been clear on my preference for Curry. Still, I think the consensus up here is correct. OLB, DE and OT are the biggest issues for this team in this draft. At #13, you have a good chance at getting a very good player.

As long as its in the area of need, I'm on board.

My own approach would be to trade 2 #1's for Curry. If no one bites, trade up for the OT you think is best. If that is too expensive, then use the #13 pick on best available at DE, LB or OT. Unless we pick an OT in round 1, I'd use all the remaining picks on OL.

Its too important for this team to add quality players than to risk trading down. I'd rather get one top player at a position of need and use quantity to try and find quality on the OL.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 14, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Red,

What were the criteria for Forbes' article? I gave it a cursory look, but did not see their formula. I dont understand how the Texans can be no 1, when they drafted one of the bigger busts in D. Carr

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 14, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Wait a minute; he doesn't have any knee OR back problems, so he's probably not our guy.

Posted by: groundhogdayguy | April 14, 2009 10:10 AM

Mr. Ground - not to worry, dude. He do have a history of hammie problems which waylaid him on Combine Day into a crappy performance and probably will be a constantly recurring problemo if the Skins were to actually draft him.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 14, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I think you def. go for OL or DL at pick 13...generally you can find good linebackers in the later rounds, whereas at 13 you are more likely to get an much better tackle or defensive end than you would in round 3 talent wise

Posted by: jasonma1 | April 14, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I'll add to Sam's analysis that all the films I've seen on Hammy Maualuga are either him group tackling or being uncovered by a blocker.

No Hamms! Just Hogs!

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 14, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Trading back with Philly would be a good move I think. Our 13th pick for their 21st and second round pick.. (maybe even throw in their 4th round pick because their second round pick is kinda low).

At that point Oher may be gone (possibly to philly at 13) but Britton will still be there and I really think the talent difference between those 2 isnt that big. And depending who is left you may not even have to use it on an OT (although I would be nervous hoping Britton, Loadholt or Beatty would still be there in the later part of the second round).

But if you did use it on Britton then hope clint sintim is there with your second round pick or maybe even trade your newly acquired 2nd rounder and 4th rounder and trade up in the second to take a player like him or Michael Johnson the D-end from GTech. You get two immediate starters and then you take the best player available in the 3rd round. I think it should be used on a RB--possile a player like Michigan State's Javon Ringer.

That is a really great draft day.

One more thing....if they do plan on taking a RB in the 3rd round do you think it would be a good move to trade Betts for like a 4th round pick or something?

Sidenote- Imagine if we made that move with Philly and still had our picks before the Jtaylor trade- 1st rounder, 2 2nd rounders, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th.. We would be sitting pretty

Posted by: jeffco01 | April 14, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

'...The opposition [Rey Mauaulga]played against is a concern. One does feel better about taking players from the SEC....'

Sammy has a good point.

But does his thesis, then discount:

Aaron Maybin--Penn State, Big Ten
Brian Orakpo--Texas, Big 12
James Laurenitis--Ohio State, Big Ten
Brian Cushing-- USC, Pac 10
Clay Matthews-- USC, Pac 10
Cody Brown--UCONN, Big East
Malcolm Jenkins--Ohio State, Big Ten
Alphonso Smith--Wake Forest, ACC

I dunno.

I guess that's why the draft is a crapshoot.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Joe Bugel tends to side with vets,

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2009

This is a crock. Joe Bugel prefers to put the best man he can find on the line. Problem is that in the last few years the rookies he's been given have been low round picks or walk ons. Given him a talented rookie tackle and the guy will be on the field for every offensive play.

Didn't Derrick Dockery start as a rookie?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009

As did Stephon Heyer.

Sorry Moe, the fact that Rhinehart did not break into the lineup is a reflection on Rhinehart not on Bugel.

Andre Smith, given that he is the uber beast of this draft blocking for the running gaem, would most definitely start.

Posted by: periculum | April 14, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

This from the NFL draft site:

Nine top prospects will attend Day 1 of the 2009 NFL Draft at Radio City Music Hall in New York City on April 25, the league announced Monday. WR Michael Crabtree, LB Aaron Curry, LB Brian Cushing, QB Josh Freeman, T Eugene Monroe, T Michael Oher, DE Brian Orakpo, T Jason Smith and QB Matthew Stafford will be the biggest group of prospects to attend the draft since 11 players attended the 1996 NFL Draft.


------------------------------------------------

Who will be the last one selected, and what pick will he go? I'm thinking it's either Oher or Freeman. Freeman might not be taken until the second round.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I gotta say, I don't understand the love for Maualuga. He doesn't cover well and can't blitz on third downs. Basically, he's a run-stopper for two downs and out for third downs. #13 is way too much for that kind of player. Besides, his skill set doesn't project well to SAM, which is what we need. Basically, he'd be Fletcher's backup for a couple of years, and a 1st round pick should be an immediate contributor.

Posted by: DCinSD | April 14, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

there were far safer prospects, but Cerrato rolled the dice on all four choices and the returns have so far been embarrassing. Rey Maualuga feels like another risky pick.

Posted by: SammyT1 | April 14, 2009

Again, this is easily explainable Sammy and CL. If you look back at Mel Kiper's picks in 2008 you will note that all three receivers chosen in the 2nd round were all in his top 5 receivers list.

If you want to see how Cerrato will draft look at what Kiper does. If you want to see how Snidely Owl will pick (and this year he appears to be calling all the shots), look at how a Rockville or Potomac high school kid picks for his fantasy football team.

Posted by: periculum | April 14, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

KingJoffeJoffer, I think they based it on players that were drafted by a team, that still play with that team (After three years) They've gone back to the '06 draft and tallied who was drafted by the NFL teams and is that pick still on the roster.

I think the Texans are first becasue they've kept 85% of the players they've drafted since 2006.

But, that's not to say that they're the best team when it comes to drafting. The could just be cheap and horrible evaluators of talent.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 14, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Maulalauga is 4.65 in the 40. Have a hunch that Robert Thomas will be better in coverage.

Now Chris Wilson ... he's the wildcard. If that guy, with his speed can covert, and learn to stuff the run from the linebacker position ...

Posted by: periculum | April 14, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

the strength of schedule shows the Skins right in the middle playing teams with a combined record of 4 games under .500 (125-129). Two teams, the Lions and Rams, were a combined 28 games below .500 last year. Which means the rest of the schedule is 123-99 -- or a 55% win percentage. In other words ... its very tough.

fwiw, a better way to look at the winning % is too subtract out 30 wins and 30 losses from the actual numbers. The total record for the NFC South in playing intradivision games is 12-12, same for the AFC West. Its 6-6 on the NFC East. The league uses the same formula for setting schedules, so 30 wins and 30 losses are built into the overall record.

Which means instead of the overall gap between toughest and easiest being about .180 (.590-.410), its really more like .240 (.620-.380).

Which means -- pick da Bears!! Got to hand it to Jay Cutler, he does get the easiest schedules of anyone.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 14, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Based on nothing, I'm skeptical of the USC LBs. To have 3 great LBs on the same team seems a bit too unlikely.

LBs thrive when the DL is getting a strong push. I'm wondering if the USC DL was unusually strong, allowing the LBs to shine

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 14, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Offensive Line is really a no-brainer in Round 1. All this speculation about QBs, SLBs etc. is fun, but I will be shocked if the 'Skins don't take the best OL at #13 or even trade up to grab someone like a Smith or Oher.

I actually wouldn't mind at all trading up for a Smith type player, but trading up for another other position is just dumb.

Posted by: swowra | April 14, 2009

Again, the fantasy football high school kid from Rockville is picking (HS handle: Snidely Owl):

Kiper called it: By hook or by crook its Sanchez.

W--L
0-18 (or is it still 16)?

Posted by: periculum | April 14, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 1:35 PM

Dude! Good news! You are inching closer to Periculum in the Diarrhea of the Keyboard Derby!

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 14, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I think Chris Wilson will have a more impactful year than Kelly or Thomas, to claim the "Who are you, and where did you come from?" award.

Chris Wilson will be good, damned good this year, if given the opportunity. I believe in him - he's the new Marcus Mason for me.

With the signing of Thomas, does that all but eliminate Marcus Washington returning?

Posted by: RedDMV | April 14, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 14, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Dude! Good news! You are inching closer to Periculum in the Diarrhea of the Keyboard Derby!

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 14, 2009 1:47 PM

I was hoping that I would be the only one who noticed that, but I couldn't fool you, Anton. I took a mandatory one-hour break.

Here's my story: It's not that I'm posting more, but that others have been posting less. Usually I can get lost in the crowd. But when there's no crowd....

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Hint: The best drafting team is in Texas...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 14, 2009 12:39 PM |

What happened to not coming back to RI until after the draft?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 14, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

'...I'm skeptical of the USC LBs...'


Keith Rivers--USC, drafted last year by the Bengals is good

Sedrick Ellis--USC, drafted by the saints last year, is a good player

Lofa Tatupu--USC, mlb Seahawks, is a very sound player

Of course, Troy Polamalu, safety, USC, is a Trojan folks forget about

Next year, bloggas will salivate over Taylor Mays--safety, USC

The trouble with taking players from NFL talent-lite programs like LSU, Miami, 'Bama, Ohio State, and USC is sometimes you can't tell if it's the player or the gang around him that makes him good.

Remember: to fill the slb spot, Rey M might not be the guy.

But we could use a guy to play the spot with some speed and force.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Thomas probably took Khary Campbell's spot... The Skins may rescind the offer to Washington after the draft.

Posted by: siris | April 14, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone see Monty on TV last night w/ Larry Michaels? Monty seemed to me to be very excited about what he'll do this year. He mentioned working out w/ Hanyesworth using a bunji cord to build explosion off the line. He and Haynesworth worked on some techniques after practice as well. Here's hoping Monty has a big year.

Posted by: TWISI | April 14, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

What happened to not coming back to RI until after the draft?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 14, 2009 1:56 PM

Nothin' really... Um, I've kinda fell back from posting until then, which I'm sure drew either delight or indifference from everyone here.

My bad Ahki... plus it was becoming something like a circle jerk in here: constant Campbell dissin'/prasing, what RT available in the draft could easily be converted to LT (Or vice-versa)...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 14, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for drafting the 'best player', but have zero faith in Cerrato's ability to choose that guy. Last year, his top three picks were a receiver with bad knees, another who had only played one season at a non-premier college, a tight end who the team, by its own admission, had never worked out (Davis) and an O-lineman from a minor, second-tier program. There were far safer prospects, but Cerrato rolled the dice on all four choices and the returns have so far been embarrassing. Rey Maualuga feels like another risky pick. While he looks great on film, it should be remembered that he played with two other elite linebackers. It is easy to look good at any position when you are surrounded by great talent. Rey smacks as another sexy 'game-changing' pick, when what we desperately need - and have for nearly two decades - is muscle in the trenches. I say best OT available.

Posted by: SammyT1 | April 14, 2009 12:33 PM

I disagree with this notion.

DThomas was rated the #1 WR on most Big Boards. WTF is the problem with us drafting him? We didn't draft him for immediate help, although Zorn could have tried more of thos end arounds and quick slants to get him in the game, but that's another story.

MK12 was a high risk/high reward pick. Where if he gets healthy, everyone will be on his sack.

Davis - So what we didn't work him out. We didn't work out DThomas either. The film is what matters.

Rinehart - Was a reach as a 3rd rounder, but hey, he did draft the player with the most potential. That potential has yet to be shown, but it's only year 2 we are going into with him. We don't need him to be a starter until year 4 (or year 3 at the earliest).

aNd who said we are drafting ReyMag? And if we did, he can sit his 1st year and learn from one of the best MLB of the past decade..........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 14, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe -- just skeptical of the SC backers. Not based on anything other than its unlikely to have a unit that is so good all coming out at the same time. History says plenty of good players and an occasional double murderer comes out of USC.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 14, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

plus it was becoming something like a circle jerk in here: constant Campbell dissin'/prasing, what RT available in the draft could easily be converted to LT (Or vice-versa)...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 14, 2009 2:04 PM

But you decided to jump back in Said circle jerk, LMAO!

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 14, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

If I'm Jim Zorn, I'm making a few phone calls and perhaps a visit or two to Mr. Joe Gibbs. Because I've got this guy, Fred Davis, who seems like he has the right talent to be an H-back. If he thrives as an H-back, I can put Cooley, Moss, ARE and Portis -- which is the most overall talent I can have on the field at one time.

So, if I'm Jim Zorn, I spend some time learning how an H-back is best used -- and maybe Fred can be useful after all.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 14, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Plus I'm in NBA mode right now.


Posted by: RedDMV | April 14, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

How about a post re: leftwich and the bucs, and why we couldn't get him?

Posted by: jaebersole | April 14, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

'...History says plenty of good players and an occasional double murderer comes out of USC...'

And that's the trouble with USC's football program--it only occasionally '...cranks out a double-murderer...'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Trading back with Philly would be a good move I think. Our 13th pick for their 21st and second round pick.. (maybe even throw in their 4th round pick because their second round pick is kinda low).

At that point Oher may be gone (possibly to philly at 13) but Britton will still be there and I really think the talent difference between those 2 isnt that big. And depending who is left you may not even have to use it on an OT (although I would be nervous hoping Britton, Loadholt or Beatty would still be there in the later part of the second round).

But if you did use it on Britton then hope clint sintim is there with your second round pick or maybe even trade your newly acquired 2nd rounder and 4th rounder and trade up in the second to take a player like him or Michael Johnson the D-end from GTech. You get two immediate starters and then you take the best player available in the 3rd round. I think it should be used on a RB--possile a player like Michigan State's Javon Ringer.

That is a really great draft day.

One more thing....if they do plan on taking a RB in the 3rd round do you think it would be a good move to trade Betts for like a 4th round pick or something?

Sidenote- Imagine if we made that move with Philly and still had our picks before the Jtaylor trade- 1st rounder, 2 2nd rounders, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th.. We would be sitting pretty

Posted by: jeffco01 | April 14, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

If I'm Jim Zorn, I'm making a few phone calls and perhaps a visit or two to Mr. Joe Gibbs. Because I've got this guy, Fred Davis, who seems like he has the right talent to be an H-back. If he thrives as an H-back, I can put Cooley, Moss, ARE and Portis -- which is the most overall talent I can have on the field at one time.

So, if I'm Jim Zorn, I spend some time learning how an H-back is best used -- and maybe Fred can be useful after all.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 14, 2009 2:09 PM |


agreed

Posted by: jeffco01 | April 14, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Nah, not so much "circle jerking" going on right now... I could go somewhere with this, but for the sake of the halo bearers and wannabe FCC charimans of the blog, I'll chill.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 14, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Just had to share this with you guys- consider my gift to you RI'ers.

Scott. I want to thank you for being Insperited to me and to rest of the world through your music. You amazing talted guy i know you will do wonders with you music. I gave you a Stand Ovtion Each night you where on AI and I will counite to do so. I hope you have wonderful Jounrey ahead for. You are American Idol winner to me you share you story with all us. I can't wait to see you on the American Idol tour this summer. God Bless you and your family YOUR BIGGEST FAN JEJE

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 14, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

How about a post re: leftwich and the bucs, and why we couldn't get him?

Posted by: jaebersole | April 14, 2009

Simply put: Snidely will draft Sanchez in the 1st round.

Posted by: periculum | April 14, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

'...I spend some time learning how an H-back is best used -- and maybe Fred can be useful after all...'

Agreed.

And Fred--another USC player, I might add--look like he can run, too.

Flexing him out, a la J Witten and D Clark is also an option for using him.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

now let's be thankful for our fellow commentors and appreciate the fact that JEJE is not an Insider...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 14, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I'd be amazed if we traded within the division. It would suck if the dude Philly drafted with our original pick ended up being a Pro Bowler that haunted us twice annually.

Posted by: countystyle | April 14, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

'...Plus I'm in NBA mode right now...'

pick'em

NBA MVP:

Kobe
LeBron
Wade

NBA Champion:

Cavs
Lakers

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

MVP is LBJ hands down!
Champs are probably Lakers unless Garnett can get to 100% then do not count out Celtics...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 14, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

AI vs. RI - do we take them in a skin'/shirts 2 hand touch foobaw match?

If AI is skins, I'm takin' Lil Rounds!

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 14, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

"NBA MVP:

Kobe
LeBron
Wade"

None of the above.

Dwight Howard. Hands down the most important to his team, and his team is the best in the East (despite the record, but the postseason will tell the truth).

DHoward was rested last night. The Magic lost by 18 points....to Milwaukee. Only player in the league that the ENTIRE game revolves around him, not just the offensive half.

Gimme DHoward over any player in the NBA right now. I wouldn't even think twice.

Posted by: psps23 | April 14, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

What you gonna do with all that junk she's packin? girl got backside thats for sure

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 14, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm for an SEC lineman in the first.

If we take a USC LB of should be Maiava in the fifth.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

psps: "The top 3, possibly top 4 tackles are elite. They are cornerstones waiting to be implemented. It's a no-brainer."

Wish I felt that way. But I suspect that, as so often happens, this no-brainer is going to turn out to have been a brainer.

One of those tackles is probably going to disappoint a lot of people. I have no idea which one.

Instead of 3 or 4 elites, I'm thinking there are no elites in this group. Instead, there are four or five very good tackles who could enjoy long, productive NFL careers. But is there an Orlando Pace? A Chris Samuel? An Anthony Munoz?

If there is, I'm not seeing him. Looking at Monroe, Andre Smith, Jason Smith -- I'm guessing these are the ones you mean -- I see great talent. But elite status? That I don't see.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 14, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse


How about a post re: leftwich and the bucs, and why we couldn't get him?

Posted by: jaebersole | April 14, 2009

Simply put: Snidely will draft Sanchez in the 1st round.

Posted by: periculum | April 14, 2009 2:18 PM

The Bucs gave him a $7 million contract for two years, although only $2 million comes in the first year. The 'Skins were offering him a 1 year, league minimum deal.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

psps23- you high. LBJ is the best player in the league and will be for the next 10-12 years. Howard doesn't have a consistent j, he has to be fed the ball in order to get his own shot and has not yet learned to pass out of a double team well enough to increase his assist ratio. Lebron is a man child who dominates everytime he touches the floor. i like howard he just isn't there yet and may never be because lebron will always be better...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 14, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

No love for DWade? Scoring champ. Best team reversal under a rookie coarch. Personal bests in like 4 different categories.

DWade.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 14, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins will finish with a 4-12 record.

Too Bad, Danny Snyder

PS - Get rid of Vincent Cerrato

Posted by: hclark1 | April 14, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Nah, not that there is no love for D-Wade it's just that if you keep adding lottery picks to your squad (Beasley) your team should improve by leaps and bounds. D-Wade is a scorer, not doubt, but you have to do it all and he will play d when the moment calls for it but not the entire game, also you got share the pill you can't put it up as much as he does. the scoring title means nothing to me, his Finals MVP is another story...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 14, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Please refrain from discussing the NBA on a Redskins blog.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 14, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

...Grab a proven OL from the SEC...'


No argument there.

But maybe 'Bama's Antione Caldwell--center/guard is the player we should reach for.

Nothing against the tackle Smith, btw, but we also need a guy to replace Rabach/Thomas.

Having a kid who can play both center and guard well wouldn't hurt at all and may make one of the vets expendable.


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Caldwell is a huge reach at #13. But he might be available when we pick in the 3rd round.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 14, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

forget DWade, gimme a break. Dude is great but overrated.

MVP POWER RANKINGS in order :

1) Lebron James, duh.

2) Chris Paul

3) Dwight Howard

4) Dwayne Wade

5) Kobe Bryant


DWade can't touch CP3 in the MVP race. No joke, CP turned David West and Tyson Chandler into All Stars.

and someone said they would take DHoward over Lebron? Come on now...if it came down to it, you could put Lebron at Center. He'd probably be about 85% the C that Howard is.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 14, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

psps23- you high. LBJ is the best player in the league and will be for the next 10-12 years. Howard doesn't have a consistent j, he has to be fed the ball in order to get his own shot and has not yet learned to pass out of a double team well enough to increase his assist ratio. Lebron is a man child who dominates everytime he touches the floor. i like howard he just isn't there yet and may never be because lebron will always be better...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 14, 2009 2:45 PM


LeBron doesn't have much of a jumper either, or should I say "consistent" jumper.

I've always been a Kobe fan, so I'm a little biased, but I think clearly James is the MVP this year with these numbers: 28, 7, and 7. Dwight Howard is a beast and will be making a greater impact "for the next 10-12 years", so if I could start my team with one player I'd go with Howard over James due to the expected longevity Howard has over James.

Besides, I seriously doubt that James will be still flying down the lane and dunking on people in 10-12 years, he's 24 right now. LeBron's game is largely based on his freakish athletic ability, not so much his skill or savy - yet.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 14, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

You could take Jackson because this draft is rich in OT's, so we can get a good one in round 3 (Britton, Beatty, Meredith, Loadholt...) We're looking for a RT, so one of those guys as a third rounder should fill the bill. If we were desperate for a LT, I would use the top pick for that and not look back.

Posted by: edvar | April 14, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse
Britton, Meredith and Beatty probbably go in late first round. Loadholt is huge, but not very nimble. I think we need the top OT at #13.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 14, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Please refrain from discussing the NBA on a Redskins blog.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 14, 2009 2:56 PM

Are you with the FCC, FBI, or local sheriff department?

Or are you just one of those rental cops/security guards?

What should be discussed, officer?

Posted by: RedDMV | April 14, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Truth, how can you be great, but overrated?

BTW, I sort of agree with you in the fact that Wade may be overrated. His claim to "greatness" or elite status was due to him taking about the same amount of free throws as the entire Dallas squad back in the '06 finals.

I wouldn't call Wade great, sorry, I just can't. Everyone hopped on his sack because of his point production in the finals that year, but he was taking at least 15 attempts per game...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 14, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

RED why is it that it always seems like you are coming at somebody by posting in "quotes". Say what you gotta say bro. Here is my thing on Howard v. LBJ with his size DH will end up injured and his leel of play will fall off well before Lebron's will. It just happens that way, when a big man drops off it happens quickly. If you are building a franchise and do not take LBJ for the next 5-6 years you made the wrong choice, period. not quotes required.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 14, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

"psps23- you high. LBJ is the best player in the league and will be for the next 10-12 years. Howard doesn't have a consistent j, he has to be fed the ball in order to get his own shot and has not yet learned to pass out of a double team well enough to increase his assist ratio. Lebron is a man child who dominates everytime he touches the floor. i like howard he just isn't there yet and may never be because lebron will always be better...

Posted by: Hail2theChief"

Being the most talented is not the same as being the best or most important to your team.

Jerry Rice was the most talented player ever to play football, IMO. I'd take Joe Montana or Tom Brady over Jerry Rice every day of the week, and twice on Sundays if I had the choice.

Lebron James simply isn't able to dominate on the level that Howard can. It's not possible for LBJ. He's a perimeter player, and as such, he can be taken out of a defensive gameplan. Lebron can shut down one opponent (which he's good, not great, at doing) and occasionally can provide a weakside block. If the offense uses someone else as the primary ballhandler and/or scorer, or they run an offensive set away from James, LBJ is out of the game on that end.

Howard affects every opposing offensive play on the court. He takes away the entire lane, and anchors the help on every possession. You can't run an offensive possession without being affected by Howard, except if you attempt to rain 3's without any threat of hitting the lane (which is an awful idea). And despite the fact that Orlando has some pretty bad individual defenders (like Turkoglu and Rashard Lewis) they're still one of the top defensive teams in the league. It's because of Howard. He doesn't have the help of feisty defenders the way Lebron does.

Offensively, yes, Lebron is more talented. Defensively, Howard wins by a landslide. And I severely disagree with your assessment that Howard doesn't know how to pass out of a double team. Their entire offense is based off that. It's a post-up by Howard with 3-point shooters spreading the court. Either Howard goes one-on-one with the center, or he kicks it to an open man, which is a main reason behind their high 3-point totals.

It's the old big man vs. perimeter player argument. Throughout history, there have really only been 2 perimeter players in discussion as a player that can carry teams to titles: Jordan and Magic. Other than them, it's been the big men: Russell, Shaq, Duncan, Olajuwan, Bird (more of a post-up guy than a perimeter player, though not "big" per say), plus Magic had Kareem for part of it, who was no slouch of his own.

Yep, I'd take Howard every day of the week. Dude owns both ends of the court. Only Jordan and Magic rival the impact of big men, and Lebron has a way to go before he hits their levels (though his numbers are becoming increasingly more impressive).

Posted by: psps23 | April 14, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

"Only player in the league that the ENTIRE game revolves around him, not just the offensive half."

Orlando's offense revloves around the perimeter more than the post, Howard may get his touches on the block, but without guys like Lewis, Hedo, Pietrus, Nelson, Lee, and Alston, Orlando would struggle to score points night in, night out. Howard is improving, but is still on the curve in terms of developing a trademark offensive game. The two best centers I've seen - Shaq (Power then finesse) and Olajuwon (Finesse then power) had it.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 14, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

frediefritz

'....Caldwell is a huge reach at #13. But he might be available when we pick in the 3rd round...'


Thanks, bro'.

Dude played on the same line as A Smith and from I saw in three 'Bama games this past season and the Senior Bowl, he looks he'd make a great center or right guard to replace either Rabach or Thomas.

Yes: I know we need a stud tackle. But centers and guards block, too ya' know.

Hopefully, if the redskins do take a slb or even a tackle at 13, it reaches out and brings Caldwell into the fold.

Folks should check the guy out. He's good, but plays with a dominant tackle who gets all the attention.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

He is the flaw in your theory PSP. The way to ALWAYS take a big man out of the game is to go right at them and get them in foul trouble. This is where Howards youth plays against him I should say inexperience rather than youth but you get the point. Watch what happens when you get a veteran post player against him they will get him in foul trouble and he will be on the pine. LBJ is athletic enough to play aggressive defense and still avoid the ticky tack calls. LBJ can post most teams 4 man,if not 5, play the point if needed and shoot with any 2 or 3 except maybe Kobe & D-wade. Show me another player that can do that.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 14, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

'...I'd take Howard every day of the week..'

And on the weekend, I'd take'em, too.

Dude is a monstah!!!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Hail2, relax man. Me re-posting what you said, or quoting you, isn't a way of me "coming at somebody".

I make no bones about it when I'm trippin', like I always say, when I do, "it won't seem like", becasue you'll know. With that said...

Your argument is that Howard will break down quicker than James. I can't disagree more with this becasue you don't have anything to base this assumption on.

Please, I know about Rick Smits, Ilgauskas, and some other guys who had multiple injuries. But there were also guys like Ewing, David Robinson, Olajuwon who were realatively healthy their entire careers. Hell, for someone of his size, until recently, Shaq was pretty healthy for much of his career.

There isn't any reason that Howard won't be just as healthy as those great centers. Has he missed many games to date? I don't thinbk so.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 14, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Fourthfloor,

"DThomas was rated the #1 WR on most Big Boards. WTF is the problem with us drafting him? We didn't draft him for immediate help, although Zorn could have tried more of thos end arounds and quick slants to get him in the game, but that's another story."

The 'problem' was his play and (un)professional approach last season. A shrewd talent evaluator would have vetted his attitude more carefully and weighed the risks of him being a possible one-season wonder and playing for a comparatively minor program. Those red flags matter, especially when you choose early in the second round, when you should get a ten-year starter. And, BTW, we did draft him for immediate help.

"MK12 was a high risk/high reward pick. Where if he gets healthy, everyone will be on his sack."

Redskins doctors warned the team about his knees and how his problems could be chronic. If by 'high reward' you're referring to his glacial 40 time, which he immaturely blamed on the track he ran on (another red flag: attitude and a lack of accountability), then I'm afraid we differ in opinion. To me, those are all huge, obvious red flags. I, too, hope he turns the corner, but it is looking like another ten-year starter lost.

"Davis - So what we didn't work him out. We didn't work out DThomas either. The film is what matters."

That is precisely the mock draft & 'big board'-worshipping, fantasy football approach to talent evaluation that made our draft such a disaster last year. So what? 18 combined Davis/Thomas receptions for 147 yards is what. That works out to about 1 catch and 9 yards per game. Both are possible head cases, which is what you learn when you actually INTERVIEW and SCREEN players before a draft, rather than merely rely on 'film'. Davis has said that he had no contact with the Redskins and was surprised when his name was called. I don't know about you, but if it were my billion-dollar business and I were about to hire someone for potentially millions of dollars, I would have at least given him a telephone interview.

"Rinehart - Was a reach as a 3rd rounder, but hey, he did draft the player with the most potential. That potential has yet to be shown, but it's only year 2 we are going into with him. We don't need him to be a starter until year 4 (or year 3 at the earliest)."

We desperately needed for him to be a starter last year, and this one, too, for that matter. By all accounts he is out of his league, which should have at least been feared, if not known, from a player coming out of a small Division II school. 3rd round picks are high, matter, and should at least be solid back-ups.

Posted by: SammyT1 | April 14, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"The way to ALWAYS take a big man out of the game is to go right at them and get them in foul trouble. This is where Howards youth plays against him I should say inexperience rather than youth but you get the point. Watch what happens when you get a veteran post player against him they will get him in foul trouble and he will be on the pine."

I'm interested to see Howard's fouls per game. I've had the impression they're not very high, but I could be wrong.

In principle, I'd agree with you. But the thing is, the way this league has been unfolding, there are no big men that are able to consistently force Howard into foul trouble. Normally, that occurs because one big men overpowers the other, gets taken out of position, and the other resorts to fouling to avoid easy baskets. Since Shaq's downfall, no other big man can rival Howard in that category (Howard is actually #1 in the league in free throw attempts). The league is devoid of true centers right now, and that's a major reason why Howard is so valuable.

Posted by: psps23 | April 14, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

And by the way, Hail2, first you say that LeBron is going to be good for the next 10-12, then you say that: "If you are building a franchise and do not take LBJ for the next 5-6 years you made the wrong choice...".

Well, which is it? This is the reason for re-posting or quoting. It's necessary, B.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 14, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Garnett, Yao, Robinson, Duncan(know with his knees) Big men break down quicker and when they do. I'm a huge Shaq fan but look how quick his level dropped off. And yes he has missed games already. i'll look it up and get back to ya.
for the rest of your post you sound like some school yard bully. When I come at you, you'll know it. Is this the part where you push me and dare me to do something? that @$#^ is played out. grow some and stop acting like you have something to prove. it's just words

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 14, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

on the 2008 rookies -- you shouldn't expect much from rookies. But you should expect something. Which is most people are uneasy about it. Plenty of rookies struggle, but along the way, they also do a few things, something that gives you a reason to be hopeful.

With this rookie class, the only 2 guys gave me reason to be hopeful about them, Kareem Moore and Chris Horton.

The rest of them either looked out of place, over matched or were never seen.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 14, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

LBJ > Dwight Howard

Posted by: John_Keats | April 14, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

That is a really great draft day.

One more thing....if they do plan on taking a RB in the 3rd round do you think it would be a good move to trade Betts for like a 4th round pick or something?

Sidenote- Imagine if we made that move with Philly and still had our picks before the Jtaylor trade- 1st rounder, 2 2nd rounders, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th.. We would be sitting pretty


Posted by: jeffco01 | April 14, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I was with you til you brought up Ringer in the 3rd. Should be for a G/C.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 14, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

red- can you explain the first part of your last post? i'm no sure you can the insecurities are raging. i'm just trying to have a decent debate but you seemed to want to have a @%^@! measuring contest. I'll pass thanks and for the record don't forget what i told you James over howard.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 14, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"Lebron James simply isn't able to dominate on the level that Howard can. It's not possible for LBJ. He's a perimeter player, and as such, he can be taken out of a defensive gameplan. Lebron can shut down one opponent (which he's good, not great, at doing) and occasionally can provide a weakside block. If the offense uses someone else as the primary ballhandler and/or scorer, or they run an offensive set away from James, LBJ is out of the game on that end. "


You should watch more Sportscenter. They routinely show Lebron James dominating a game by playing great D, driving, and starting/finishing fast breaks (that's starting AND finishing the same fast break).

Ask any NBA player, coach, or GM who they would take - Lebron or Dwight Howard. To say anything other than Lebron right now is just for the sake of saying someone other than Lebron, period. Nobody would REALLY do that.

It's a nice little devil's advocate argument, but really, you know better.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 14, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Food for thought...

Mel Kiper, ESPN.com

Pick 13: Mark Sanchez, QB, USC

Redskins.com comment: Why give Kiper credence? In 2006, he picked Rocky McIntosh to Washington in a two-round mock draft and in 2007 he was among the first to target LaRon Landry to the Redskins. This year, the king of draft gurus says the Redskins are eying Sanchez, a 6-3, 225-pound quarterback who started only one season for the Trojans. Needless to say, this pick would raise as many questions as it does answers at Redskins Park.

Posted by: TWISI | April 14, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Well, if I HAD to have one USC player REY's the one. But if I had my druthers, MICHAEL OHER.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 14, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

You could take Jackson because this draft is rich in OT's, so we can get a good one in round 3 (Britton, Beatty, Meredith, Loadholt...) We're looking for a RT, so one of those guys as a third rounder should fill the bill. If we were desperate for a LT, I would use the top pick for that and not look back.

Posted by: edvar | April 14, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse
Britton, Meredith and Beatty probbably go in late first round. Loadholt is huge, but not very nimble. I think we need the top OT at #13.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 14, 2009 3:04 PM

First off, I have no problem taking one of the top four OT's with 13. I've been beating the drum all along that we have to build line dominance over the next two years with our drafts. I don't think we can solve all our problems this year with 5 picks no matter who we draft, so let's start pulling down winners.

We haven't taken a DE in the first round since when? 1952? I don't know, but I like Tyson Jackson and think he would be a very good value pick - like one of the top 4 OT's. Over 2 years, we will need both.

Also: "Britton, Meredith and Beatty probbably go in late first round." I don't think so. That would be 7-8 OT's in the first round. I don't think Britton, Meredith and Beatty aren't worth first rounders, and there are too many other talented players on the board.

Posted by: edvar | April 14, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Again, the fantasy football high school kid from Rockville is picking (HS handle: Snidely Owl):

Kiper called it: By hook or by crook its Sanchez.

W--L
0-18 (or is it still 16)?

Posted by: periculum | April 14, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Kiper had been wrong before..

Posted by: ga8085 | April 14, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

"They routinely show Lebron James dominating a game by playing great D, driving, and starting/finishing fast breaks (that's starting AND finishing the same fast break)."

Showing a few instances of a block or steal followed by a fast-break isn't the same affecting every drive that's attempted by the opposing team.

"Ask any NBA player, coach, or GM who they would take - Lebron or Dwight Howard. To say anything other than Lebron right now is just for the sake of saying someone other than Lebron, period. Nobody would REALLY do that."

I bet you'd be very, very surprised.

Posted by: psps23 | April 14, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe:

OG look at CORNELIUS LEWIS 5th round.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 14, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Redskins.com comment: Why give Kiper credence? In 2006, he picked Rocky McIntosh to Washington in a two-round mock draft and in 2007 he was among the first to target LaRon Landry to the Redskins. This year, the king of draft gurus says the Redskins are eying Sanchez, a 6-3, 225-pound quarterback who started only one season for the Trojans. Needless to say, this pick would raise as many questions as it does answers at Redskins Park.

Posted by: TWISI | April 14, 2009 3:53 PM


It's this kind of stuff that makes me think I will be better off not watching the draft. If they draft Sanchez they may as well go back on their word and just trade Campbell now.

Thanks for the NBA insider babble. Redskin land is dead. I guess JLC is out trying to win a Pulitzer writing about the homeless. LeBron is only 24 and getting better every year. Its a legit question if the guy could average a triple double somewhere down the line. Not probable but crazy either way.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | April 14, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

What should be discussed, officer?

Posted by: RedDMV | April 14, 2009 3:04 PM

My vote is for poop fetishes and offensive tackle draft candidates ... with bonus points for offensive tackles who are into poop.

Posted by: dcsween | April 14, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Not that there aren't enough reasons to go after Curry, but if you were wondering about his character ...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/04/14/curry.ap/index.html

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 14, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Hate to be a stat puller but :

per game this year :

Lebron James 28.4 points, 1.1 blocks, 1.7 steals, 7.2 assists/game, 7.6 rebounds, 78% free throws, 34% 3-pointers, 49% FG

Dwight Howard 20.7 points, 2.9 blocks, 1 steal, 1.4 assists, 13.9 rebounds, 59% free throws, 0% 3-pointers, 57% FG


gimme a break

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 14, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

"Thanks for the NBA insider babble. Redskin land is dead. I guess JLC is out trying to win a Pulitzer writing about the homeless. LeBron is only 24 and getting better every year. Its a legit question if the guy could average a triple double somewhere down the line. Not probable but crazy either way.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84


probably could've done it this year if he wanted to. 3 more assists and 2 1/2 more rebounds.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 14, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

LBJ > Dwight Howard

Posted by: John_Keats | April 14, 2009 3:50 PM

LeBron James > Lyndon Baines Johnson

Posted by: dcsween | April 14, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest, sounds a little contrived to me ... I heard Andre Smith is bringing a box of cocker spaniel puppies ...

Posted by: dcsween | April 14, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I heard Andre Smith is bringing a box of cocker spaniel puppies ...

Posted by: dcsween | April 14, 2009 4:09 PM

Is that a good thing? Didn't Michael Vick bring puppies with him?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

let's face it guys...

all this junk about players and rankings and positions are a bunch of crap!

Of the 32 first round picks, MAYBE a few will even start and MAYBE one or two will make some type of impact.

Drafting is about finding a diamond in the rough.

The bottom line is that Rey Maualuga is that type of player who can make an impact.

He is a beast.

If there is one thing we have all learned over time, it's that they (gurus) have no clue and who gives a flying________ about
mock drafts!

We are all totally bored and I will be glad when it's over so we can get on with talking about our season.

DRAFT: Rey Maualuga

Posted by: skinsbacker | April 14, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Drafting is about finding a diamond in the rough.

Posted by: skinsbacker | April 14, 2009 4:18 PM

You're talking about drafting the second day. That's the rough. Drafting at #13 is about finding a diamond at Tiffany's.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

there is a report on fanhouse of the GIANTS makin a trade for BRAYLON EDWARDS the sides are still alil out on it but both teams are confident they will both compromise enuff to get the deal dun b-4 the draft

the deal is lookin sumthin like STEVE SMITH or D.HIXON plus a draft pic or so

would you guys want BRAYLON EDWARDS on the REDSKINS and if soi should they get in on tryin to trade fot him

and if so what kinda package would you think would be fair and possible to aquire him???

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 14, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Hail2, dude, whatever...

If I wanted to have a "tool" measuring contest... well, actually, I don't, okay?

I mean, are you extra sensative or something, homie? I just said that if I were trying to piss you off, you'd know it. Where in any of my post addressed to you did I appear to want to engage in a @#%& measuring contest with you?

Usually I'm a little more than high strung, so it feels werid to say this, but lighten up, man.

I'll just charge your perception of how I was "coming at you" to my reputation of being an ass every now and then. Some stuff you can't shake, you know?

Posted by: RedDMV | April 14, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

The StarLedger is reporting that the Skins will open the regular season in NY again on 9/13 at 4:15pm.

Posted by: dfly24 | April 14, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

GIANTS makin a trade for BRAYLON EDWARDS

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 14, 2009 4:21 PM |

NFL Live on ESPN is saying that it will take a first and a third for the Giants to get the deal done. Also thinking that Eagles could make a play for him.

Skins can't trade for an elite WR now. One of the sophomores has to step up this year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

edwards wasn't very good last year. 800+ yards receiving, but that was way down from 2007. Lots of drops from what I recall. If the jints want to give up on steve smith, fine with me. smith was looking like a WR with some potential. though edwards would be a bigger target and perhaps a tougher matchup for Hall

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 14, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

i guess this is what we get when we talk basketball on a football blog, but seriously?!?!?!

dwight howard over lbj????get off of dwights shorts...no one, and I mean no one, will make that arguement except dwights mom, and his girlfriend....kobe, chris paul, dwade, all come up ahead of dwight howard...

btw one comment you made was that as a post player he has more impact than a perimeter player, its obvious that you don't watch basketball, while true that a good post player makes a great team, a post player has to have the ball brought up to him, and passed to him, you won't ever see dwight with the ball if its a one point game....that honor goes to turk or r. lewis on his team....just the fact that great perimeter player can close out a game, is reason alone where you arguement faces a major fallacy...

the only true question is LBJ or kobe, personally I think kobe is one of the greatest of all time, as LBJ will be as well, but Kobe to me is the better player right now. That's not to say that LBJ might become better than him, but he just doesnt have the killer instinct and capability that kobe and MJ have. Lebron can dominate because of his sheer athleticism. The best way to stop him is to let him shoot, and pray that he misses, because if he decides to drive, then you are at his mercy. Kobe is a much more skilled player, even when he was younger than lebron he was twice as more skilled. Lets say this summer LBJ tears his ACL, what happens to his game then? Or will he be able to be as successful as kobe has been when LBJ reaches kobes age? If he isn't able to become more skilled its highly doubtful. Also Kobe is the more superior defender when motivated, however, LBJ is a better help defender, kind of like kirilenko, most of his blocks come from weakside help...

The biggest proof of my arguement is the olympics...we would not have the gold medal if it were not for kobe, when the game got tough, the best players in the world gave the ball to kobe, even lebron knew who would give them the best shot at winning, and kobe put the U.S. on his back to win the final game.

Posted by: jasonma1 | April 14, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Howard will be more dominate over time than LeBron James, and it isn't like Howard doesn't domiante now.

For all the LBJ heads; you're crazy if you think that LeBron will still be crusing down the lane and getting and-1 dunks in 10 years.

He'll be a 34 year old SF; Howard will be a 32/33 year old C. Tell me who's more likely to be the bigger payoff overtime.

But if the question is "Who would you take today?", I'd go with neither, 'cause I'll take Kobes...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 14, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

it'll be very easy to overpay for edwards. though a 1st and 3rd if they are late round picks, isn't overpaying

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 14, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

guess this is what we get when we talk basketball on a football blog, but seriously?!?!?!

Posted by: jasonma1 | April 14, 2009 4:31 PM

So when do you think the Nats will get their first win? This year or next?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

now let's take a look. Lebron came in the league in 03-04 season, Dwight Howard came in 04-05 season.

02-03 season, Cavs were 17-65 tied for worst in the league.

03-04 season 35-37, 1 game out of the playoffs

04-05 season 42-40, tied for 8th seed in the East but lost the tiebreaker

05-06 season 50-32, 5 seed in the playoffs and lost to the Pistons in the second round in Game 7

06-07 season 50-32, 2 seed in the playoffs and lost to the Spurs in the finals in 4 games

07-08 season 45-37, 4 seed in the playoffs and lost to the Celtics in the second round in 7 games

08-09 season, 66-15, locked up 1 seed in the playoffs, 1 loss at home all year


Orlando was 21-61 the year before Howard came in, last in the league

04-05 season, 36-46 record, 6 games out of the playoffs

05-06 season, 36-46 record, 4 games out of the playoffs

06-07 season, 40-42 record, 8 seed in the playoffs, lost in the first round to the Pistons in 4 games

07-08 season, 52-30 record, 3 seed in the playoffs, lost in the second round to the Pistons in 5 games

08-09 season, 58-23 record, 3 seed in the playoffs, I think they can make it to a 2 seed if Boston struggles, but not sure

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 14, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Top 10 WRs STILL in the NFC East
(2008 receiving yds)

1. Santana 1044 yards
2. jackson 912
3. hixon 596
4. ARE 593
5. toomer 580
6. s smith 574
7. crayton 550
8. baskett 440
9. curtis 390
10. avant 377

As of now, ARE is the most productive of the #2 WRs in the NFC East!!

Makes all sorts of sense for the Browns to try and get a bidding war going for edwards btwn philly, nyg and dal. Because every team could use him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 14, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Also: "Britton, Meredith and Beatty probbably go in late first round." I don't think so. That would be 7-8 OT's in the first round. I don't think Britton, Meredith and Beatty aren't worth first rounders, and there are too many other talented players on the board.

Posted by: edvar | April 14, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

There is a very good chance that 6-7 OT's are selected in the first round. We never know until draft day just how the picks will be made. But if a run really begins, some teams will follow, and several of these guys, most likely Britton, will go. Point is that all 7 will be gone by early 2nd round.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 14, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

not much, but we’ll take it.

According to Mike Garafolo of the Newark Star-Ledger, the Giants will open the 2009 season in the same way they opened the 2009 season — by hosting the Washington Redskins.

The game is expected to kick off at 4:15 p.m. EDT on September 13 as part of a FOX double-header.

Garafolo also reports that the Giants will travel to Dallas in Week Two for the opening of the new Texas Stadium, as the NBC Sunday night game.

Posted by: brianlee720 | April 14, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

all right RED were cool and i look forward to reminding you of this debate next season and the following, with any luck the 2 teams will meet in the playoffs this season.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 14, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

wtf


4:15 PM kickoff time?

well, Sep. 13 is on a Sunday so that's alright

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 14, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Also: "Britton, Meredith and Beatty probbably go in late first round." I don't think so. That would be 7-8 OT's in the first round. I don't think Britton, Meredith and Beatty aren't worth first rounders, and there are too many other talented players on the board.

Posted by: edvar | April 14, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

There is a very good chance that 6-7 OT's are selected in the first round. We never know until draft day just how the picks will be made. But if a run really begins, some teams will follow, and several of these guys, most likely Britton, will go. Point is that all 7 will be gone by early 2nd round.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 14, 2009 4:39 PM

I'll believe it when I see it. Of course, we've all seen some pretty weird stuff at the draft before, so maybe...

I suspect this years draft is gonna be a wild ride.

Posted by: edvar | April 14, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

man, I hate opening the season with a divisional road game. It's sweet if we can win but not an easy task to ask of this squad with so many questions unanswered at this point...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 14, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Amazing - it took about 60-eleven comments about big guys for any of you to even MENTION Yao Ming - not to say that the guy is at the level of Hakeem or Shaq - but right now, he is better than any other center in the game, because he has played longer - maybe the upside of Howard in Orlando is stronger - but I do know that Yao outplayed him each time that Houston played Orlando this year...mind you, that's all qualified, because Yao is more experienced, but no one notices him because he doesen't do the rim shaking dunks or "get that out of here" blocks...apparently, the RI blog has some anti-chinese bias, as I never hear anyone discussing chinese football prospects up here, either!

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | April 14, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Samson -

The 'problem' was his play and (un)professional approach last season. A shrewd talent evaluator would have vetted his attitude more carefully and weighed the risks of him being a possible one-season wonder and playing for a comparatively minor program. Those red flags matter, especially when you choose early in the second round, when you should get a ten-year starter. And, BTW, we did draft him for immediate help.
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Let's See... HE'S A WIDE RECEIVER. Would you not won't TO, Plaxico, Steve Smith, OchcoCinco on you team? None of them beasted out their 1st year. It usually took 2-4 years for them to develop. Give him some time, pretty please.

Redskins doctors warned the team about his knees and how his problems could be chronic. If by 'high reward' you're referring to his glacial 40 time, which he immaturely blamed on the track he ran on (another red flag: attitude and a lack of accountability), then I'm afraid we differ in opinion. To me, those are all huge, obvious red flags. I, too, hope he turns the corner, but it is looking like another ten-year starter lost.

_________________________

Only time Will tell


That is precisely the mock draft & 'big board'-worshipping, fantasy football approach to talent evaluation that made our draft such a disaster last year. So what? 18 combined Davis/Thomas receptions for 147 yards is what. That works out to about 1 catch and 9 yards per game. Both are possible head cases, which is what you learn when you actually INTERVIEW and SCREEN players before a draft, rather than merely rely on 'film'. Davis has said that he had no contact with the Redskins and was surprised when his name was called. I don't know about you, but if it were my billion-dollar business and I were about to hire someone for potentially millions of dollars, I would have at least given him a telephone interview.
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I don't know about Fantasy Football, but I know the Bucs have 2 starting caliber TE in Winslow and Stevens. I envision a new playbook. You don't? I highly doubt every team brings in every player they have drafted.......

We desperately needed for him to be a starter last year, and this one, too, for that matter. By all accounts he is out of his league, which should have at least been feared, if not known, from a player coming out of a small Division II school. 3rd round picks are high, matter, and should at least be solid back-ups.

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No we didn't. Who would he have replaced? He wasn't going to be a starter for anybody year 1 out of DII school.


I think the goal should be, do we see anydevelopment from year 1 to year 2 to (ultimalitly) year 3. Then the hardcore judging should begin.

I know I am in the minority, but Vinny should get atleast 3 drafts total to start grading him up here.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 14, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I hate that we have to play Tampa Bay again next season. Tampa Bay is the jinx game for the Skins. Completely unpredictable and nothing good ever comes of them. I think the Buccs have become the Skins out-of-division rivals.

Also, did we already talk about how the Patriots have replaced their free agent geriatic starters with new free agent geriatric starters?

Posted by: dcsween | April 14, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

man, I hate opening the season with a divisional road game. It's sweet if we can win but not an easy task to ask of this squad with so many questions unanswered at this point...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 14, 2009 4:53 PM |

Do you remember last year's schedule? Everyone was moaning about how unfair it was that we had to play all our division opponents on the road in the first half. Waaa, waaaa, waaaaa -- just like you're doing here.

Then, after losing at the Giants we went on a tear and beat all the big boys on the road and were 6-2 at the half way point. Things only fell apart when we got to the easy part of the schedule.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Still, I think the first game of the season is real important to win ... more important than any of the ones till December ... first game sets the tone for a season.

Posted by: dcsween | April 14, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

My New England point:

Rodney Harrison (15 seasons), replaced by Joey Galloway (14 seasons)

Deltha Oneal (9 seasons), replaced by Sean Springs (12 seasons)

LaMont Jordan (8 seasons), replaced by Fred Taylor (11 seasons)

Posted by: dcsween | April 14, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

SLEEPER ALERT!

Look for henry melton out of Texas as a late round DE. Played opposite orakpo, converted from rb decent size (6'3 270) great speed. Wasn't even invited to combine but ran a 4.58 40. He's a big upside project only played end barely 2yrs.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 14, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

first game sets the tone for a season.

Posted by: dcsween | April 14, 2009 5:05 PM

Except for last year where it didn't even set the tone for the next week. Last year it was game #9 -- the Pittsburgh beat down -- that set the tone for the rest of the season.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

http://www.comcast.net/articles/sports-nfl/20090414/Balzer.MockDraft3/

Knowshon Moreno? Not this year for a first round RB. Too many other pressing needs.

Posted by: skinswest | April 14, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Skins wont' pick Maualuga. Or Sanchez. Unless Michael Oher is off the board.

Huh?

Yup. It's a lock. And it's not because of football. It's because of Danny's Marketing Jones and Hollywood aspirations.

If you kids followed my Tweets, Twoots and Twits, on El Twitterissimo on Interweb tubes, you'd already know that.

As a bonus, there's a snappy picture of me in my football Uni.

www.twitter.com/ddogskinstwit


Posted by: TheCork | April 14, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Listening to Martha Reeves singing nowhere to run to, nowhere to hide.

Draft Curry and there will be nowhere to run to, nowhere to hide

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 14, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

He is a beast.

We are all totally bored and I will be glad when it's over so we can get on with talking about our season.

DRAFT: Rey Maualuga

Posted by: skinsbacker | April 14, 2009

The consensus among ALL THE EXPERTS is that Andre Smith is a BIGGER BEAST and a BIGGER NEED. He is the Haynesworth of this draft.

DRAFT: Andre Smith

Posted by: periculum | April 14, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

But of course everyone knows (sorry Mr. Mosely BEAST chat) but its going to be Sanchez. Snidely always tries to find a way to get his way. He failed on Cutler ... doubtless he will exert even more effort in an attempt to get Sanchez.

Posted by: periculum | April 14, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Its MV7 at Q-back and CAMPBELL until then.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 14, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

DRAFT: Andre Smith

Posted by: periculum | April 14, 2009 5:55 PM

The story on ESPN tonight is that the Eagles will try to trade up high enough to grab him. They're holding #21 and #28, so they might be able to pull it off. That's roughly equal value with pick #8 -- Jacksonville -- who is said to be looking to trade down. The four mocks on NFL.com, though, have Smith gone by pick #6 -- Cincinnati. One even has him gone as #4 -- Seattle.

He's not going to be a Redskin.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Week 1 on the road vs. NY & week 15 at home vs. them, thats a big gap. Personally, I'd rather have the second game that close to the playoffs be at home.

Posted by: will_ga | April 14, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

RE: Andre Smith
Robert Gallery, Tony Mandarich, and too many Heisman winners to mention all looked great on film. His apparent imaturity and jello-like make up have to be red flags.

That being said I hope they grab him if he's there at 13. He'll fill a need at RT and hopefully be able to take over for Samuels at LT in a few years. Oher sounds like a definite RT not sure about LT. My guess is if it's not Smith it'll be a defensive player like Tyson Jackson, Ayers, Cushing or Mauluga.

Posted by: skinswest | April 14, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

DRAFT: Andre Smith
He's not going to be a Redskin.
Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 6:1

Sigh. It was a nice thought tho.....We'll probably reach for Percy Harvin & all his posse at 13.

Posted by: will_ga | April 14, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/04/14/qbs/index.html?eref=T1


Not that I didn't basically do this story here on RI a few days ago. I swear these guys read my posts for their material.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 14, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Skins @ Giants week 1.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 14, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

The story on ESPN tonight is that the Eagles will try to trade up high enough to grab him. They're holding #21 and #28, so they might be able to pull it off. That's roughly equal value with pick #8 -- Jacksonville -- who is said to be looking to trade down. The four mocks on NFL.com, though, have Smith gone by pick #6 -- Cincinnati. One even has him gone as #4 -- Seattle.

He's not going to be a Redskin.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse


Of course the Eagles are trying to make this play, b/c the Eagles are run by competent football people who know how to build competitive teams - unlike our guys, Harry and LLoyd, who are driving around town in the Shaggin' Wagon wondering if they need to trade up to grab Mark Sanchez...

...now I'm going to punch myself in the crotch for publicly praising the Eagles...

Posted by: p1funk | April 14, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

RE: Andre Smith
Robert Gallery, Tony Mandarich, and too many Heisman winners to mention all looked great on film. His apparent imaturity and jello-like make up have to be red flags.

Probably said the same thing about guys like Joe Jacoby, Ron McDole ... not a few all-pro Dallas Cowboy OL as well.

You haven't been doing your research. Malagua ran a 4.65. Andre Smith is faster and he has quick feet. He has one of the longest arm lengths in the draft making him perfectly suited to pass blocking.

He is also quite a bit meaner ... he has a real nasty streak not unlike Haynesworth's. Most of the OL in this draft excel at pass blocking ... aren't considered aggressive enough on the run blocking.

Except for Mr. BEAST Andre Smith who seems to love to get his licks on the DL.

Its why he was originally slated to go #1-#3 in the draft.

He is the perfect bookend to Haynesworth.

Posted by: periculum | April 14, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Its MV7 at Q-back and CAMPBELL until then.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 14, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

I'd never thought about that...it's all too possible...what a freakin' scary thought.

Maybe, just maybe, something will happen and Vick will be prevented from returning to football, and we will once again be saved from an atrocious decision despite ourselves...

Posted by: p1funk | April 14, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

He's not going to be a Redskin.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 14, 2009

While Snidely the Owl trades to draft even higher to grab Sanchez.

Yes, we know TE. Snyder the high school fantasy football kid is picking this year.

Posted by: periculum | April 14, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

At 7pm sharp, Jason better have the schedule on Skins Insider! =)

Posted by: rachel216 | April 14, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

"You haven't been doing your research. Malagua ran a 4.65. Andre Smith is faster and he has quick feet. He has one of the longest arm lengths in the draft making him perfectly suited to pass blocking."

I've read pleny on A. Smith. While he may turn into a beast I can guarrantee he's not faster than Mauluga. Smith has a ton of upside - maybe more than any other OT in the draft - doesn't mean he'll live up to it.

Posted by: skinswest | April 14, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Wk
Date
Matchup
Time (ET)
1
Sun. Sep. 13
at Giants
4:15 PM
2
Sun. Sep. 20
vs. Rams
1:00 PM
3
Sun. Sep. 27
at Lions
1:00 PM
4
Sun. Oct. 04
vs. Buccaneers
1:00 PM
5
Sun. Oct. 11
at Panthers
1:00 PM
6
Sun. Oct. 18
vs. Chiefs
1:00 PM
7
Mon. Oct. 26
vs. Eagles
8:30 PM
8
Sun. Nov. 01
BYE
9
Sun. Nov. 08
at Falcons
1:00 PM
10
Sun. Nov. 15
vs. Broncos
1:00 PM
11
Sun. Nov. 22
at Cowboys
1:00 PM
12
Sun. Nov. 29
at Eagles
1:00 PM
13
Sun. Dec. 06
vs. Saints
1:00 PM
14
Sun. Dec. 13
at Raiders
4:05 PM
15
Mon. Dec. 21
vs. Giants
8:30 PM
16
Sun. Dec. 27
vs. Cowboys
8:20 PM
17
Sun. Jan. 03
at Chargers
4:15 PM

Posted by: tripz | April 14, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

I've read pleny on A. Smith. While he may turn into a beast I can guarrantee he's not faster than Mauluga. Smith has a ton of upside - maybe more than any other OT in the draft - doesn't mean he'll live up to it.

Posted by: skinswest | April 14, 2009

The Redskins and many other teams have had far better luck drafting OT's high than middle linebackers. Maualaga would be a much greater risk.

Posted by: periculum | April 14, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Andre Smith: RANKED 12th in spite of the "drama".

6'1" Rey Maualaga is RANKED 20th.

Posted by: periculum | April 14, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Bummer! We play the Cryboys in Dallas, on my anniversary. My wife will understand, I'm sure...

Posted by: tripz | April 14, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

"Not that I didn't basically do this story here on RI a few days ago. I swear these guys read my posts for their material.Posted by: zcezcest1"

I thought your point was that because of the high proportion of QBs who were taken high and didn't pan out, a team would be stupid to draft a QB in the top five picks. If I recall, you were in favor of drafting LBs.

A draft strategy that would have prevented Atlanta from getting Matt Ryan, NY from getting Eli Manning, San Diego from picking up Philip Rivers, Indianapolis from obtaining the services of Eli's big brother Peyton, Dallas from drafting Troy Aikman,Philly from selecting Donovan McNabb, Houston (later Tennessee) from gaining the services of Steve McNair, New England from drafting Drew Bledsoe, Denver from selecting John Elway, Chicago from picking Jim McMahon, Atlanta from having the services of Steve Bartkowski, Baltimore from getting their hands on Bert Jones, New Orleans from having Archie Manning, Pittsburgh from drafting Terry Bradshaw, Miami from signing Bob Griese... well, I'm beating a dead horse here.

The point being, high risk frequently goes with high reward.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 14, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

trading back to get the 21st and 28th picks would be nice. Rey or Cushing with Britton or Beaty. Or P Jerry DT Old Miss if hes there at 28.

Posted by: toons123 | April 15, 2009 4:06 AM | Report abuse

Just say NO to drafting defense.
Say YES to drafting OFFENSIVE LINE….We proved last year you can have a good defense and still lose because you can’t move the ball or/or score. We were almost leaders in the league in allowing SACKS (we were 2nd). We were leaders in the league for not scoring inside the 20 yard line (oh boy).
Vinny show us fans you have some marbles and draft Offensive line with the 13th pick.
You shot our cap space wad on one player and now can't sign anyone to fill the holes. So at least try to fix the O-line with the draft.

Posted by: skinsfan0524 | April 15, 2009 6:31 AM | Report abuse

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