Network News

X My Profile
View More Activity
On Twitter: RedskinsInsider and PostSports  |  Facebook  |  E-mail alerts: Redskins and Sports  |  RSS

Griffin Likes Line's Depth, Experience

Veteran defensive tackle Cornelius Griffin has been a key member of the Washington Redskins' defensive line for five of his nine NFL seasons, and he believes the current edition could be the best in his tenure with the team.

Washington lured two-time All-Pro tackle Albert Haynesworth from the Tennessee Titans, re-signed run-stuffing end Phillip Daniels (who missed the 2008 season because of a knee injury), brought back end Renaldo Wynn and selected end/strongside linebacker Brian Orakpo in the first round of the NFL draft.

"I must say I'm excited to play here this year," Griffin said after the first round of organized team activities this week at Redskins Park. "I've been excited every year, but here we have a little more depth and a little more experience."

The addition of Haynesworth, arguably the NFL's top defensive player regardless of position, provided a major lift for the group, Griffin said. Daniels's size and strength on the edge and inside when he moved to a tackle spot on third down often helped Washington slow down opponents' rushing attacks. "He's the biggest end I've seen," Haynesworth said. "We didn't have ends that big in Tennessee."

Wynn is a sage veteran, players said, and emerging tackles Anthony Montgomery and Kedric Golston could take big steps forward this season.

"We've got depth and experience at every position across the board up front," Griffin said. "We just have to go out and play like that."

The arrival of Haynesworth, who made many big plays behind the line of scrimmage with the Titans, has prompted defensive coordinator Greg Blache to make some adjustments in the scheme he and his predecessor, Gregg Williams, have used the last five seasons. The Redskins' 4-3 defense is structured to stop the run foremost. Defensive tackles are assigned to maintain their run gap responsibilities while taking on blockers in an effort to help linebackers make big plays.

But Haynesworth did not play the role of a "space eater" with the Titans. He made many big plays always going after the ball, and that's what he plans to do with the Redskins. As a result, Washington's other tackles "will be more aggressive with Haynesworth over there getting more double teams, and he plays an aggressive style of football anyway," Griffin said. "It's going to free up not just the d tackles but the d ends as well. But guys, when they get there, just got to make the play. Plays are [going to] present themselves, you just [got to] make them."

By Jason Reid  |  May 9, 2009; 9:28 AM ET
 
Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati   Google Buzz   Previous: McIntosh, Thomas Updates
Next: Campbell on Growth of Thomas, Kelly

Comments

does anyone else think we have a legit shot at first overall ranking on D?

Posted by: follybeach | May 9, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I think we could be number one on D.

Fine secondary, great D.L., we'll have to see how the LBs make out.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 9, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

From the WaPo:

A Loss Friedgen Accepts
The Terrapins' popular and pudgy 62-year-old football coach finds a diet he can live with. He's lost 86 pounds so far on the low-calorie plan, from a starting weight of 401.

Mr. Williams, meet Mr. Friedgen.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 9, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

#1? I hope so, but I'm not so sure about our CBs... :-(

Posted by: ntlekt | May 9, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I would say that we are definitely in the running for having the best D-line in the league with this bunch when you look at talent, vet experience, depth, etc.

Posted by: p1funk | May 9, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

From the WaPo:

A Loss Friedgen Accepts
The Terrapins' popular and pudgy 62-year-old football coach finds a diet he can live with. He's lost 86 pounds so far on the low-calorie plan, from a starting weight of 401.

Mr. Williams, meet Mr. Friedgen.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 9, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse


Fridge is next in line to get a call from Vinny to come and work out at tackle...

Posted by: p1funk | May 9, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

If the pass rush improves, the play of the CB's will automatically improve. QB's will have less time to stand in the pocket and pick out receivers. It's one of the immutable rules of the game.

Posted by: RedskinWillie | May 9, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Skins Fans!
I see dead people, I see dead offenses, I see evil, I see organized mayhem, I see body bag games. Let
me be the first to apologize to McNabb, Romo, and Eli. Sorry for your aching back, your broken leg, your swollen arms and your broken jaw. Mr Orakpo, Sir Haynesworth, Comrade Griffin, Daniels, Rocky, Carter and "His Royal Knight" Sir London; Let it be written: the Burgundy looks like blood on your opponents quarter backs, and the gold? Let it shine in the end zone for yet another defensive touch down celebration!

Hail!

Posted by: abxinc | May 9, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

'...But Haynesworth did not play the role of a "space eater" with the Titans....'


WOW!

The redskins added a defensive player who doesn't match their scheme.

They almost never do that.

So will we see a sideline blow up one weekend in October?

Prince Al v. Blatche might be this fall's interesting battle.

The $48 million dolla car crashing man may feel it's his right to go make plays where Grilliams jr. stresses 'space eating' and letting the safety/linebacker make plays.

This should make for some interesting chatta.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 9, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

So will we see a sideline blow up one weekend in October?

I don't think so, Moe.

I think G. Blache is a sharp cookie who knows how to play the cards he's been dealt.

He just gotten the number one draft pick and the number one NFL defensive player added to his squad.

I think he will play his hand well.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 9, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Number one draft pick = our number one draft pick, I mean.

Also, and such as.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 9, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

#1? I hope so, but I'm not so sure about our CBs... :-(

Posted by: ntlekt | May 9, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse
=============================================

A consistent pass rush will take a lot of pressure off of our CBs.

Posted by: clark202 | May 9, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

From the WaPo:

A Loss Friedgen Accepts
The Terrapins' popular and pudgy 62-year-old football coach finds a diet he can live with. He's lost 86 pounds so far on the low-calorie plan, from a starting weight of 401.

Mr. Williams, meet Mr. Friedgen.

Posted by: AntonChigurh

At age 62 and 401, Friedgen could hear his mortality clock ticking. Congrats and keep it up.

Posted by: TheCork | May 9, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

If the pass rush improves, the play of the CB's will automatically improve. QB's will have less time to stand in the pocket and pick out receivers. It's one of the immutable rules of the game.

Posted by: RedskinWillie

True. But the laws of immutability crumble if Rogers is hurt or Hall reverts to pre-salary drive effort. Smoot can't cover the elite ones any more, Tryon never could and Barnes has some learning to do.

IMO it's the skins thinnest position

Posted by: TheCork | May 9, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

IMO it's the skins thinnest position

Posted by: TheCork | May 9, 2009 11:33 AM |
===========================================

Would you agree that the O.L., on the other hand, is the Skins' fattest position?
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 9, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

True. But the laws of immutability crumble if Rogers is hurt or Hall reverts to pre-salary drive effort. Smoot can't cover the elite ones any more, Tryon never could and Barnes has some learning to do.

IMO it's the skins thinnest position

Posted by: TheCork | May 9, 2009 11:33 AM

I'm sure there are those who would make a more compelling argument for the OL or LB position. I would have to lean towards the OL and say that position when all is said and done will tell the story of the 2009 season.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 9, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

We are definitely a Top 5 defense but we will cause many more turnovers this year and big plays on defense. Our offense is adequate but has no depth on OL, so hopefully it can stay relatively healthy, but will benefit with more turnovers from the defense.

11-5 babyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!

Posted by: BarackObama | May 9, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

True. But the laws of immutability crumble if Rogers is hurt or Hall reverts to pre-salary drive effort. Smoot can't cover the elite ones any more, Tryon never could and Barnes has some learning to do.

IMO it's the skins thinnest position

Posted by: TheCork

Eh, the point still remains. If the QB has less time, is getting sacked and is getting pressured throughout the game, then even an average CB can perform well in that situation. We also have very good safeties that will profit from this as well so perhaps our entire secondary should be considered instead of a few CB's.

I'm actually not worried about our defense at all. We've had a great D over the last few years and we added some great players on that side of the ball so it can only get better. I'm more worried about the QB play and protecting the QB. Those two things will be the two most important keys to our season in my opinion.

Posted by: Alvin_Walton | May 9, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I think Griffin is in line for his biggest season since his first. He has seen constant double teams since he was signed away from NY. He will go one on one this year w/ guards and I think he will completely destroy them this year. Look for him to have 5+ sacks...

Posted by: merajc86 | May 9, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DCity | May 9, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Griffen is GREAT, the guy has been our best d lineman for 5 years. I'm glad he's got some help and a renewed excitement. I can't WAIT to see him and Hayney next to each other on the field..

bwwaaaahaaahahahhhahahaa

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 9, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I think Griffin is in line for his biggest season since his first. He has seen constant double teams since he was signed away from NY. He will go one on one this year w/ guards and I think he will completely destroy them this year. Look for him to have 5+ sacks...

Posted by: merajc86 | May 9, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse
Yes, I agree. Haynie wil make Griff, Golston and Monty all better. Our D will be top 5. But to be #1, more to's and pick-6's are needed. Certainly a possibility, but not a certainty.

But it will be fun to watch. Can't wait for Sept! Hail!

Posted by: frediefritz | May 9, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

A Loss Friedgen Accepts
The Terrapins' popular and pudgy 62-year-old football coach finds a diet he can live with. He's lost 86 pounds so far on the low-calorie plan, from a starting weight of 401.

Mr. Williams, meet Mr. Friedgen.

Holy Crap...Friedgen is at most 5'6. He's a rotund man, but how in the world did he get that heavy?

Posted by: parkerdn2000 | May 9, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Would you agree that the O.L., on the other hand, is the Skins' fattest position?
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya

Depends on how much Piggly Wiggly Williams loses and whether or not the team grabs Kirstie Alley off waivers.

Posted by: TheCork | May 9, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure there are those who would make a more compelling argument for the OL or LB position. I would have to lean towards the OL and say that position when all is said and done will tell the story of the 2009 season.

Posted by: Diesel44

Could be a toss up. But I think CB edges OL simply because I think the OL might be able to weather the loss of one or two players (other than Samuels), whereas the drop off is too steep at CB.

On the other hand, the OL would require several upgrades to be solid, where one good backup CB would make a big difference there.

Posted by: TheCork | May 9, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

"I think G. Blache is a sharp cookie who knows how to play the cards he's been dealt.
He just gotten the number one draft pick and the number one NFL defensive player added to his squad. I think he will play his hand well.Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya"

No way to tell, but I'm confident Blache's mama didn't raise him to look a gift horse in the mouth. He'll figure out a way to use Albert to max advantage. After finishing 28th in sacks and 19th in INTs, Blache knows what the problem is.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 9, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

"Holy Crap...Friedgen is at most 5'6. He's a rotund man, but how in the world did he get that heavy?Posted by: parkerdn2000"

I don't have inside info, but rumor has it is was the food.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 9, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

hey abxinc......
ya think you can get some of that stuff to rain down on the offense to help them pick up a first down late in the fourth qtr to help the skins put the game on ice. your words are quite prophetic in a wishing kinda way..with our skins every little bit helps ya know. hail!!!

Posted by: renaw9 | May 9, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

i'm glad fridge lost all that weight. maryland has a good program, other than the fact that 1/2 their lineman break their legs within their first two years in the league. and it just upset me that someone barking about discipline, respect, yadda yadda, has none for himself. as a player under him, you've got to wonder... so, good for fridge. the hardest thing is to realize that we do this to ourselves. we don't make lifestyle adjustments, because we have to admit that we were sihtheads to ourselves

Posted by: supuradam | May 9, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse


Slow post day. I think I'll go get some swine to grill and dine upon.

Ribs, tater salad, corn on cob, greens, hot dogs for the kids: can't beat that with a baseall bat.

Best grill:

pick'em

gas
charcoal


Me, I prefer gas. I got a gas grill for father's day four year's ago and it has become my new best friend.

Okay, I know that's overkill, but you get the point.

Use hickory chips--marinating is overrated, trust me, bro'--and smoke the devil out of the meat for the best flava.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 9, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Any of the hand wringers still missing Demetric Evans?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 9, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I hope Grif's shoulder holds up for another season or two. Seems like it's been naggin at him pretty bad the last couple of years.

Sort of like Orakpo's knees...

Posted by: edvar | May 9, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Holy Crap...Friedgen is at most 5'6. He's a rotund man, but how in the world did he get that heavy?

Posted by: parkerdn2000

I've been wondering that myself for a long time. Friedgen is HUGE and just asking for serious health issues. How does someone who has to be extremely busy have the time to eat that much?

Posted by: Lisa_R | May 9, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Slow post day. I think I'll go get some swine to grill and dine upon.

Ribs, tater salad, corn on cob, greens, hot dogs for the kids: can't beat that with a baseall bat.


Best grill:

pick'em

gas
charcoal


Me, I prefer gas. I got a gas grill for father's day four year's ago and it has become my new best friend.

Okay, I know that's overkill, but you get the point.

Use hickory chips--marinating is overrated, trust me, bro'--and smoke the devil out of the meat for the best flava.


Posted by: MistaMoe | May 9, 2009 2:44 PM

I'm the opposite. I love charcoal. Marinate for no more than an hour and a half. Love the hickory chips, though. I got a Weber Silver charcoal grill for valentines day this year and use it almost every night.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 9, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

it's all about the Primo Kamoto charcoal grill. google it. amazing. only way i cook ANYTHING anymore. seriously.

Posted by: supuradam | May 9, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Gas Grills are so gay (not that there's anything wring with that)...

Cook in the kitchen if you want to cook with gas!!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | May 9, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: supuradam | May 9, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Holy Crap...Friedgen is at most 5'6. He's a rotund man, but how in the world did he get that heavy?Posted by: parkerdn2000"

I don't have inside info, but rumor has it is was the food.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 9, 2009 1:46 PM


Lol!!!!!

Posted by: BurgundyandGold4Life | May 9, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Gotta use hickory, gotta use chicken thighs..KC's Masterpiece is a good basic sauce but jack it up with tons of brown sugar, garlic and basil..Q until carmelized almost burnt..Throw a slice of lemon or orange on it to retain inner moisture..Obtain case of Bud, click on NFL and wax ecstatic cheering Redskins..Reasons to be cheerful..

Posted by: frak | May 9, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

From Don Banks at SI.com: "...the Patriots have made another nice veteran signing in running back Fred Taylor, improved their weak secondary, and I don't expect them to be doomed this season by the twin losses of offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels and personnel man Scott Pioli."

Of course, they're not putting in a new offensive system, which may have something to do with it.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 9, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

mistamoe: "Slow post day. I think I'll go get some swine to grill and dine upon.
Ribs, tater salad, corn on cob, greens, hot dogs for the kids: can't beat that with a baseall bat."

You need to make yourself a burnt end sandwich. Then you can die without regrets.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 9, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

frak: "KC's Masterpiece is a good basic sauce but jack it up with tons of brown sugar, garlic and basil..Q until carmelized almost burnt.."

KC Masterpiece has already got too much sugar in it. You don't want to caramelize the cue. Or maybe you do, but I can't imagine it.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 9, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

redskinwillie: "f the pass rush improves, the play of the CB's will automatically improve. QB's will have less time to stand in the pocket and pick out receivers. It's one of the immutable rules of the game."

I believe Michael Strahan said it after the Super Bowl win: no QB is that good when the pressure is coming.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 9, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I think we could be number one on D.

Fine secondary, great D.L., we'll have to see how the LBs make out.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya

If Orakpo is a beast, we'll should be an elite defense (obligatory barring injuries comment). Up there with the Steelers and Ravens. Its the reason I wanted Curry, I figured he would elevate the defense to elite. Not as sure about Orakpo, but other rookie LBs have been very effective.

An elite defense pretty much locks in 8 wins -- no matter what the offense is.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 9, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Agree that the D being will be 'sick' this year. And thank you Alvin Walton, you've echoed the sentiment I’ve repetitiously expressed on this blog during this offseason. I've beat that horse to death. (The horse is still twitching, so thanks for a couple more kicks.)

Many teams would love to be in our position on Defense. The offense and special teams require the most improvement. Our O-line, WRs and special teams are the problem areas. Must improve them. Enough with the Defense.

Posted by: all_star_0013 | May 9, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

still laughing over inside info and twitching horse..

Posted by: RedCherokee | May 9, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Danny will draft Tim Tebow next year. Who needs an OL when you have Superman at QB!

I hope the Danny does not see this nonsense.

Posted by: changer1 | May 9, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

I have faith in our offensive line players.. I know they'll improve. I'm most excited about the defensive line. It's going to be so interesting to watch.

Posted by: RedCherokee | May 9, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Any of the hand wringers still missing Demetric Evans?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe

Not that much, but I sure do miss the 2nd round pick squandered by the FO last year when they didn't trust him to hold the fort when Daniels went down.

Posted by: TheCork | May 9, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Any of the hand wringers still missing Demetric Evans?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe

Me. Daniels + Wynn still isn't as good or likely to be as healthy as Evans. Blache even said they let Evans go due to the cap, not his play.

It goes back to my first impression on the Albert signing ... too many eggs in too few baskets. So much invested in Albert that we're can't find proven help on the OL and at LB. Its not that Danny wouldn't spend the $$, its the cap. We let the cap manage us, not the other way around.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 9, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Can somebody give me the laundry list of stellar o lineman; i mean ones that were considered the best playing the position,that danny and vinny passed over for big al. all season he was looked at as the best dt in the league. we all knew he was gonna get pain, and we all knew he was gonna get paid here. I wish people would name these o lineman we shoulda paid the way they throw big al's name and contract out there.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Can somebody give me the laundry list of stellar o lineman; i mean ones that were considered the best playing the position,that danny and vinny passed over for big al. all season he was looked at as the best dt in the league. we all knew he was gonna get pain, and we all knew he was gonna get paid here. I wish people would name these o lineman we shoulda paid the way they throw big al's name and contract out there.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Can somebody give me the laundry list of stellar o lineman; i mean ones that were considered the best playing the position,that danny and vinny passed over for big al. all season he was looked at as the best dt in the league. we all knew he was gonna get pain, and we all knew he was gonna get paid here. I wish people would name these o lineman we shoulda paid the way they throw big al's name and contract out there.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

we all knew he was gonna get pain

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse


I meant paid

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S "YES OR NO" POll-O-THE-DAY

1) Was L.C. Greenwood better than Dexter
Manley?

2) Do you think Clinton Portis is REALLY a
popular guy in the Redskin locker room?

3) Do you think the Redskins will finish
in the basement of the NFC East this
season?

4) Would you fight Reggie Bush for Kim
Kardashian?

5) Is Champ Bailey overrated?

6) Will the Redskins win a Superbowl
within the next 5 years?

7) Was Monte Coleman better than Wilbur
Marshall?

8) Looking at the overall picture, was Joe
Gibbs 2.0 a success?

9) Should I be ashamed of myself for
looking at all the exposed cleavage
today at the mall?

10) Do you think Brett Favre is doing
anything wrong with his talk about
returning to the game?

11) Is Ray Lewis better than Mike
Singletary?

12) Is it o.k. for us to stop talking
about Mike Sellars getting additional
carries?

13) Was it a good idea to sign D'Angelo
Hall?


HAVE AT IT RI!!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | May 9, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Me. Daniels + Wynn still isn't as good or likely to be as healthy as Evans. Blache even said they let Evans go due to the cap, not his play.

It goes back to my first impression on the Albert signing ... too many eggs in too few baskets. So much invested in Albert that we're can't find proven help on the OL and at LB. Its not that Danny wouldn't spend the $$, its the cap. We let the cap manage us, not the other way around.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 9, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse
Blache said Evans was let go because he was the same as Lorenzo Alexander.

As far as too many eggs..., it is always a risk. But I'm happy they took the chance to get the best D player in the league. I'll take the chance that he can stay healthy or most of the season.

Posted by: frediefritz | May 9, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Our D has definitely the potential to be one of the all time best in the history of NFL, but,..

It also depends on our offense getting a few first downs from time to time, so the D guys are not on the field 40 min a game...

Posted by: peaceful2008 | May 9, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S "YES OR NO" POll-O-THE-DAY

1) Was L.C. Greenwood better than Dexter
Manley? No

2) Do you think Clinton Portis is REALLY a
popular guy in the Redskin locker room? Yes, players love his characters.

3) Do you think the Redskins will finish
in the basement of the NFC East this
season? No way. We will fight it out with Gints for #1.

4) Would you fight Reggie Bush for Kim
Kardashian? No, I'd lose that one.

5) Is Champ Bailey overrated? He is now, but was great one.

6) Will the Redskins win a Superbowl
within the next 5 years?

7) Was Monte Coleman better than Wilbur
Marshall? No, Wilbur was a stud. But Monte was better over his career.

8) Looking at the overall picture, was Joe
Gibbs 2.0 a success? Yes, brought back credibility to the franchise.

9) Should I be ashamed of myself for
looking at all the exposed cleavage
today at the mall? No, it never hurts to look.

10) Do you think Brett Favre is doing
anything wrong with his talk about
returning to the game? Has-been, was once good, not anymore. Boring.

11) Is Ray Lewis better than Mike
Singletary? No, both were great.

12) Is it o.k. for us to stop talking
about Mike Sellars getting additional
carries? Yes, Mike should not carry the ball. He may actually get beat out this year.

13) Was it a good idea to sign D'Angelo
Hall? Yes, Hall is a stud. His "problems" in Atl were no big deal. And the Raidahs are the Raidahs.


HAVE AT IT RI!!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | May 9, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frediefritz | May 9, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

1) Was L.C. Greenwood better than Dexter
Manley?

2) Do you think Clinton Portis is REALLY a
popular guy in the Redskin locker room?

3) Do you think the Redskins will finish
in the basement of the NFC East this
season?

4) Would you fight Reggie Bush for Kim
Kardashian?

5) Is Champ Bailey overrated?

6) Will the Redskins win a Superbowl
within the next 5 years?

7) Was Monte Coleman better than Wilbur
Marshall?

8) Looking at the overall picture, was Joe
Gibbs 2.0 a success?

9) Should I be ashamed of myself for
looking at all the exposed cleavage
today at the mall?

10) Do you think Brett Favre is doing
anything wrong with his talk about
returning to the game?

11) Is Ray Lewis better than Mike
Singletary?

12) Is it o.k. for us to stop talking
about Mike Sellars getting additional
carries?

13) Was it a good idea to sign D'Angelo
Hall?


HAVE AT IT RI!!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | May 9, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse


1) Dexter was the man
2)Yeah it think guys like clint for th most part. yall gotta remember team sports builds a different type of camraderie. The li things in the media and stuff stick with us but his teamates might not trip. he seems likeable.
3)Cowboys in the cellar my friend
4)Kourtney is sexier than kim, reg can keep that
5)champ is pretty tough to call overrated. He's been a shut down type of guy his whole career. maybe he doesn't takem back to the house like deion used too, but he makes plays in the run and pass game.he might be on the cusp of losing a step though.
6)I'd love to say yes and truly believe it could happen, but i'm on the fence. 3 years ago we lost to the team that eventually repped the nfc in the superbowl.every season since has had a rebuilding feel, that mixed with the death of 21 leaves us with a lot of holes in areas where we were solid during those playoff runs. I'll say yes though i'm a real homer sometimes.
7)Yes
8)No
9)No
10)No
11)No
12)Yes
13)Yes

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

does anyone else think we have a legit shot at first overall ranking on D?

Posted by: follybeach *****

I couldn't care less about the #1 Defensive ranking, and nor should any of you unless you have a monetary bonus because of it.
In fact, if the Offense actually scores a few TD's and even has a lead of a couple TD's occasionally, the D may suffer statistically as they play a slow down prevent D.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | May 9, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

i ran outta steam, didn't think yall wanted to read a book.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Blatche has never emphasized pressuring the QB (here or with the Bears) and he really doesn't go for freelancing. He's not gonna change now. Albert's whole game is freelancing. This could get ugly real fast.

Posted by: coparker5 | May 9, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

frediefritz: "Me. Daniels + Wynn still isn't as good or likely to be as healthy as Evans. Blache even said they let Evans go due to the cap, not his play."

I think all other factors being equal, Daniels plus Wynn is a measurable upgrade over Evans. They're better players, who's main problem is age. One year is all we can hope from them.

Evans left because he wanted a bigger paycheck than the FO was willing to offer. You can bet they consulted with Blache and Palermo. SF gave him the contract and a starter's guarantee. And a chance to play for a defensive head coach.

Demetric gained a lot from his stay with the Skins. They just didn't value him as much as he wanted.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 9, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Albert's whole game is freelancing. This could get ugly real fast.

Posted by: coparker5 | May 9, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

I thought most of his former coaches said he was extremely focused and coachable. lets not make assumptions about his ability to do as blache asks of him. I don't know if blache has ever coached a player of big al's caliber on the d line. since we're assuming. i'll just assume that he allows some freelancing from al.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

coparker: "Blatche has never emphasized pressuring the QB (here or with the Bears)"

What? When he was the Bears' coordinator, the defense forced nearly 140 TOs. That included 37 in 2001. The Bears pressure accounted for 13 TDs -- including 4 in 2000 and 5 in '01.

That's pressuring the QB.

From Wiki: "In 2002, Blache dealt with numerous injuries, leading to 11 different starting line-ups over the course of 16 games...the Bears defense continued with their attacking, aggressive style that set records during the 2001 season. They forced 64 tackles behind the line of scrimmage and reached a league plateau by forcing at least one turnover in 33 consecutive games."

Posted by: Samson151 | May 9, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

if that's albert's whole game

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

I WANNA TALK TO SAMSON!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Fix the O-line and we're on.

We've seen Hasselbeck tranformed from a 6th round pick into a 3-time Pro-Bowl QB in Seattle. Here's an update on our very own former RB T.J. Duckett with Seattle, who scored 8 rushing TDs last year (1 TD shy or CPortis, while carrying the ball 280 fewer times than CPortis).

I'm thrilled to see the signings of Big Mike Williams and Jeremy Bridges competing at RT! They've both started in the NFL and have something to prove.

There's no reason Portis and JC17 can't double their TD production this year with some decent play out of the O-line. The D will be sick, and I think a 2nd year with Zorn's system will make a big difference. I'm becoming very optimistic about the offense now!

Posted by: Alan4 | May 9, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Oh yes, let me play Tony Korn. on PTI!

1) Was L.C. Greenwood better than Dexter
Manley? Who is L.C. Greenwood?????? Wilbon: Enough said!

2) Do you think Clinton Portis is REALLY a
popular guy in the Redskin locker room? No! Wilbon: Why Tony?! Because CLINTON PORTIS DOESN'T PRACTICE and HE THROWS HE O-LINE UNDER THE BUS. AND..., HE DRESSES UP IN SENSELESS COSTUMES.

3) Do you think the Redskins will finish
in the basement of the NFC East this
season? The Redskins will finish third place in their division, because the Giants and Eagles are better than the Redskins. Wilbon: So you're picking the Cowboys to finish last? Yes! Wade Phillips has lost that team and they have no weapons at WR!

4) Would you fight Reggie Bush for Kim
Kardashian? I can't imagine fighting at my age. I would rather take a cheap shot at someone on MNF....

5) Is Champ Bailey overrated?
Who cares about C Bailey. The real story in Denver is their new coach. He has not started very well. Could be very interesting to see if he makes it past one year...

6) Will the Redskins win a Superbowl
within the next 5 years?
NO! Emphatically, no! Wilbon: Why not? Because the Redskins haven't won their divsion in 20 years or something.. Why would I say I think they will win a SB?

7) Was Monte Coleman better than Wilbur
Marshall? Monte Coleman was a legitimate player at LB. Marshall was a overachiever playing in a scheme that worked.

8) Looking at the overall picture, was Joe
Gibbs 2.0 a success?
I think it was. You have to look at where the franchise was when he arrived. He played a huge role in getting the team back on a winning track. He also proved that he could not coach at the level that was required to win playoff games. Gibbs was a short term therapist.

9) Should I be ashamed of myself for
looking at all the exposed cleavage
today at the mall? Next!

10) Do you think Brett Favre is doing
anything wrong with his talk about
returning to the game?
Why at this stage are we still talking about B Farve? Won't he just go away! We're seeing signs of Brett not being able to handle *professionally* being nudged out of Green Bay. If he's smart, he retires, for good!

11) Is Ray Lewis better than Mike
Singletary? In my opionion R Lewis is very overated as a player. Is he a good footabll player, yes! Is he on the same level as Mike Sing. - NO!

12) Is it o.k. for us to stop talking
about Mike Sellars getting additional
carries? Mike Sellers is also overated as a blocker. The Skins have gotten great value out of him. He is on the downside of his playing career.

13) Was it a good idea to sign D'Angelo
Hall? Yes! The redskins have not had a CB make interceptions since Walt Harris -- Joking!

Posted by: all_star_0013 | May 9, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

best case scenario -- and not its not a total longshot -- we could have the #1 overall defense. A real beast.

What would this require different from 2008?

1. Orakpo needs to play very well as a rookie LB -- and is worth noting several rookies have done well at LB in recent years (Merriman, Mayo, Willis)
2. Griffin returns to his old form (or close to it) and stays healthy. Playing next to Albert helps and we have a very good/deep DT rotation, so Griff can be pretty fresh for 30-40 snaps a game.
3. The 'just a guy' players play at an adequate level (Carter, Daniels, Rocky).
4. The secondary players improve -- and they all should since they are all still young.
5. We're generally lucky with injuries, none for key people or where we have limited depth (CB, LB)

I think #3 and #4 are likely scenarios. #1 and #2 are possible, perhaps not probable. #5 is the wildcard

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 9, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Me. Daniels + Wynn still isn't as good or likely to be as healthy as Evans. Blache even said they let Evans go due to the cap, not his play.

It goes back to my first impression on the Albert signing ... too many eggs in too few baskets. So much invested in Albert that we're can't find proven help on the OL and at LB. Its not that Danny wouldn't spend the $$, its the cap. We let the cap manage us, not the other way around.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 9, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse
Blache said Evans was let go because he was the same as Lorenzo Alexander.

As far as too many eggs..., it is always a risk. But I'm happy they took the chance to get the best D player in the league. I'll take the chance that he can stay healthy or most of the season.

Posted by: frediefritz |

reread the article. Blache said Evans was was cap related. If Alexander really equaled Evans, then why was Evans a starter and among our top tacklers/sackers on the DL (OK -- I'll agree that the rest of our DL wasn't exactly killing it) and Lorenzo a backup?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 9, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

got some rare me-time...

1. no
2. no
3. no
4. cage match to the death
5. yes
6. hmmmm, the fan in me says yes, the faith in snydeatto says no
7. christ yes, love 'em both though. That one's almost apples/oranges--overall it comes down to stability vs explosive qualities. I do own a #58 jersey though
8. if 2.0 is measured by the yardstick created by 1.0, hell no. Playoffs are great but at no point did I think we had a shot to take it all. Childhood memories are rose-tinted, but I always thought we could make some noise during 1.0
9. nah, it's booby season-that rare time of year that also coincides with allergies. also akin to water in the desert
10. #4= toolbag. with all due respect
11. no. stupid squirrel
12. I get the goal line debacle protest, but no. I'd love to see him get more carries, but do I want to hear about it? Agent wants more % of $ says what?
13. Hall+Haynie+Orakpo+Griffin+Carter=either more pick-6 from Hall or more "deflected passes" from the d*ck fingers we drafted

Posted by: RomoLongballs | May 9, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

I think our D-line is much improved, personnel wise.

But I can't predict how effective they will be in the nfc east, cuz all nfc east opponents have great O-lines.

Posted by: Vicc | May 9, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

I sure do miss the 2nd round pick squandered by the FO last year when they didn't trust him to hold the fort when Daniels went down.

Posted by: TheCork | May 9, 2009 7:07 PM |

That pick was Pat White, QB/Receiver, from WVU. We don't need him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 9, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

5. We're generally lucky with injuries, none for key people or where we have limited depth (CB, LB)

I think #3 and #4 are likely scenarios. #1 and #2 are possible, perhaps not probable. #5 is the wildcard

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 9, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse


The wildcard is an understatement. I think we are generally bad with injuries.Griff is always nicked up as is rocky. Carlos is one year off a major knee, doughty had back(?) surgery last year. horton was nicked up for a few games down the stretch,daniels shredded his knee in camp last year.
we've been hit hard for the last couple years with injuries to key players and depth or role players on both sides of the ball. i really hope we stay healthy, but history would have you think otherwise.
But once again i hope we stay healthy

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

1) Was L.C. Greenwood better than Dexter
Manley?
Yes

2) Do you think Clinton Portis is REALLY a
popular guy in the Redskin locker room?
Yes

3) Do you think the Redskins will finish
in the basement of the NFC East this
season?
No

4) Would you fight Reggie Bush for Kim
Kardashian?
No

5) Is Champ Bailey overrated?
Yes

6) Will the Redskins win a Superbowl
within the next 5 years?
No

7) Was Monte Coleman better than Wilbur
Marshall?
No, but Monte was here a lot longer

8) Looking at the overall picture, was Joe
Gibbs 2.0 a success?
Yes, and some of what he brought is being squandered

9) Should I be ashamed of myself for
looking at all the exposed cleavage
today at the mall?
No. Unless I'm busted for it. By someone who matters. Which is only 1 person.

10) Do you think Brett Favre is doing
anything wrong with his talk about
returning to the game?
No.

11) Is Ray Lewis better than Mike
Singletary?
Yes

12) Is it o.k. for us to stop talking
about Mike Sellars getting additional
carries?
Yes

13) Was it a good idea to sign D'Angelo
Hall?
OOOOOOOOOOO - a close call here. Yes. But our cap situation + Hall's history make it a tough call.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 9, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I missed the 2nd round pic also.

I wish we would have kept Jason Taylor though. Who knows?

I heard the reason we cut him was not b/c of cap space, but cuz he didn't want to participate in offseason programs.

Posted by: Vicc | May 9, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

don't be fooled by smoke and mirrors vicc. it was all about tha benjamins.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

the same offseason programs sellars boycotted? he didn't get released.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

That pick was Pat White, QB/Receiver, from WVU. We don't need him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 9, 2009 8:57 PM
===========================================

Well that pick coulda been Max Unger, picked 5 players later.

What say you now, t_E?
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 9, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

caveman said i ain't practicin til yall straighten my pockets

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Mike Sellers was at OTA's.

I saw him on Redskins Nation.

Posted by: Vicc | May 9, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Yao ming out for the rest of the playoffs w/broken foot.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

we've been hit hard for the last couple years with injuries to key players and depth or role players on both sides of the ball. i really hope we stay healthy, but history would have you think otherwise.
But once again i hope we stay healthy

Posted by: lilhollywood10

we gave let go of 4 guys on D, 3 had injury issues. We're just as deep on the DL with Taylor and Evans gone, but Daniels, Wynn and Albert in house.

At LB, we let Marcus go. We were thin last year at LB and we're thin this year -- though Orakpo and Thomas might mean we're better off than last year. The guy in the middle is not replaceable.

In the defensive backfield, I like our safeties. Backups Moore and Doughty (if he's recovered) can both play, though it'd be a big hole if anything happened to LaRon. At corner, its a big drop from Hall and Rogers to Smoot, and an even bigger drop after that.

Basically, losing Hall, Rogers, Albert or LaRon would be a problem. Losing Fletcher would be a huge problem.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 9, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

daniels didn't play at all last year and wynn is older than the guy on the six flags commerc. i wanna have confidence in our d ends, but if either of them goes down it'll be a problem especially if Orakpo is playin lb and we have to move him back to end and put a lesser player at orakpo's spot.

the ends are weak if the rook is 90% lb. These old retreads got their work cut out for them.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

see how nobody even mentions carter?

that guuy is cheeks

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

lilh 'Olly' wood sounds sorta familiar.

Ever post around here before?
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 9, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

no aliases, just me. i used to only post while i was at work but it's cool rappin sports with yall every now and then.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

just got finished watching pacquiao mcmurda hatton . him at 140 is like aluminum bats in the majors.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Can somebody give me the laundry list of stellar o lineman; i mean ones that were considered the best playing the position,that danny and vinny passed over for big al. all season he was looked at as the best dt in the league. we all knew he was gonna get pain, and we all knew he was gonna get paid here. I wish people would name these o lineman we shoulda paid the way they throw big al's name and contract out there.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Can somebody give me the laundry list of stellar o lineman; i mean ones that were considered the best playing the position,that danny and vinny passed over for big al. all season he was looked at as the best dt in the league. we all knew he was gonna get pain, and we all knew he was gonna get paid here. I wish people would name these o lineman we shoulda paid the way they throw big al's name and contract out there.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Can somebody give me the laundry list of stellar o lineman; i mean ones that were considered the best playing the position,that danny and vinny passed over for big al. all season he was looked at as the best dt in the league. we all knew he was gonna get pain, and we all knew he was gonna get paid here. I wish people would name these o lineman we shoulda paid the way they throw big al's name and contract out there.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Yada, yada, yada.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 9, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

yada yada ya mamma anton. i was havin some computer probs. but can u name the free agent o lineman upgrades that we missed on who u think would be better players than big al.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

2 hrs ago too anton? were u even online?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

see how nobody even mentions carter?

that guuy is cheeks

Posted by: lilhollywood10

13. Hall+Haynie+Orakpo+Griffin+Carter=either more pick-6 from Hall or more "deflected passes" from the d*ck fingers we drafted

not cheeks, just hasn't had any friends. And Wynn says that Strahan's key to rushing success is keeping the weight down, which is easy to say if you have Tuck/Kenya at your back. But if that's true and you some help, Carter should beast this year.

And how lil is it?

Posted by: RomoLongballs

Posted by: RomoLongballs | May 9, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

"and you HAVE some help"

Posted by: RomoLongballs | May 9, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

a mouthful at least

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

I WANNA TALK TO SAMSON!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 8:30 PM

LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj6aIK_WXhU

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | May 9, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

hmmm, a tater tot is a mouthful

Posted by: RomoLongballs | May 9, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

outside of 07 when carter gave us 10 sackshis numbers have gone down every season and they weren't stellar to begin with. He's out there cuz he's under contract and looks good wearing the uniform.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

no it's not but a valiant effort nonetheless

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

true that, and thems just jokes. speed rush on the edge is his game, prob his only game, so with Haynie and Po there is some hope he can get back to double digits

Posted by: RomoLongballs | May 9, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

off the edge

Posted by: RomoLongballs | May 9, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

actually there might be hope....you see carter's only double digit seasons were in 2002 w/san fran and 2007 w/skins. 2009 is next in the five year interval if my math is right so unless we start the season with a harvest moon it think he may have a shot at double digits.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

the harvest moon be a tricky thing

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

show the ladies that make the babies some luv tomorrow. I'm out.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

lil,

skins had 24 sacks total in '08. Haynie had 8.5. let's say Blatche plays him in a role that has him alternating between eating space and chasing the QB depending on down/distance and he has, say, 5 sacks. Accounting for that disruption and extra attention vs sack production, I'd say that Carter could have 15 sacks, Wynn/Daniels 3, Griffin 3, Orakpo (assuming he sees the field) 8, and Montgomery/Golston 5. That's 39 sacks without counting the LBs, though I have Po at a pure DE position (granted, he probably won't be).

Optimistic? Sure. Putting it in perspective, that's not even close to what the iggles had in '08 (48), but it's a start, yes?

From skincast.com:
Despite the drop is sack production in 2008, Carter has managed to lead the team in sacks three straight seasons, something accomplished only once before on the Redskins (Dexter Manley did it from 1984 to 1986).
99 DOES NOT= Dex, but what if?

http://skinscast.com/the_year_of_almost.html


Posted by: RomoLongballs | May 9, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I dig the 5 year theory. DC blizzards follow a 7 year pattern--'82, '89, '96, '03....right?!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | May 9, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

except that 7+5=12, but whose counting.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | May 9, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

The Post needs some homer-ism..Wise comes out and says the Penguins are the better team, J-Lo and Chrissie Brennan always reek of outsider criticism without the hometeam support mentality, maybe they are all caught up in the Big Paper's souldead corporate-careerist-on-the-make mentality..jus' sayin'..

Posted by: frak | May 9, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

sure do miss the 2nd round pick squandered by the FO last year when they didn't trust him to hold the fort when Daniels went down.

Posted by: TheCork | May 9, 2009 7:07 PM |

That pick was Pat White, QB/Receiver, from WVU. We don't need him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Uh, you do realize don't you that if we had kept that pick, we could have actually picked a different player that we DID need, such as an OT or LB? That trade was one of the worse in Redskins history; we basically gave away a 2nd round pick, and yes, I mean GAVE away.

Posted by: kenboy1 | May 9, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

sure do miss the 2nd round pick squandered by the FO last year when they didn't trust him to hold the fort when Daniels went down.

Posted by: TheCork | May 9, 2009 7:07 PM |

That pick was Pat White, QB/Receiver, from WVU. We don't need him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Uh, you do realize don't you that if we had kept that pick, we could have actually picked a different player that we DID need, such as an OT or LB? That trade was one of the worse in Redskins history; we basically gave away a 2nd round pick, and yes, I mean GAVE away.

Posted by: kenboy1 | May 9, 2009 11:18 PM |

Of course hindsight is 20/20. There was a whole lot of people praising the move when Daniels went down.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 9, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

sure do miss the 2nd round pick squandered by the FO last year when they didn't trust him to hold the fort when Daniels went down.

Posted by: TheCork | May 9, 2009 7:07 PM |

That pick was Pat White, QB/Receiver, from WVU. We don't need him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Uh, you do realize don't you that if we had kept that pick, we could have actually picked a different player that we DID need, such as an OT or LB? That trade was one of the worse in Redskins history; we basically gave away a 2nd round pick, and yes, I mean GAVE away.

Posted by: kenboy1 | May 9, 2009 11:18 PM |

Of course hindsight is 20/20. There was a whole lot of people praising the move when Daniels went down.

Posted by: scampbell1975


You guys do realize that if we kept that 2nd we probably would have shipped it away in a package and drafted Sanchez or done something else incredibly short-sighted right? This argument has become moot.

Posted by: sweetsweetlou | May 10, 2009 1:03 AM | Report abuse

Not that much, but I sure do miss the 2nd round pick squandered by the FO last year when they didn't trust him to hold the fort when Daniels went down.

Posted by: TheCork | May 9, 2009 7:07 PM

I'm glad we didn't have that 2nd round pick. If we did, it would probably have been packaged with our 1st rounder for a trade to draft Sanchez, as we competed with the Jets to mortgage the future.

No Campbell, no Orakpo, and the cycle of new QBs/coaches would have ensured another few years of mediocrity.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 10, 2009 1:04 AM | Report abuse

sweetsweetlou:

yea, ur right and I think Jason Taylor gave us about the equivolent of what a 2nd rounder woulda given us for one years worth.

anything to keep that weak armed Sandchez off our team!

Posted by: Vicc | May 10, 2009 1:06 AM | Report abuse

"Skins Fans!
I see dead people, I see dead offenses, I see evil, I see organized mayhem, I see body bag games. Let
me be the first to apologize to McNabb, Romo, and Eli. Sorry for your aching back, your broken leg, your swollen arms and your broken jaw. Mr Orakpo, Sir Haynesworth, Comrade Griffin, Daniels, Rocky, Carter and "His Royal Knight" Sir London; Let it be written: the Burgundy looks like blood on your opponents quarter backs, and the gold? Let it shine in the end zone for yet another defensive touch down celebration!

Hail!"

Yo "abxinc "--- get the F off this blog......seen ur posts before and they are clearly that of an a-hole trying to act like an idiot fan antagonizing other NFC East teams........where are u from--Dallas? step off idiot...you"hail" signoff gives you away as an imposter-butthead dumbass fake...go away......forever

Posted by: tabtool | May 10, 2009 1:14 AM | Report abuse

anything to keep that weak armed Sandchez off our team!

Posted by: Vicc | May 10, 2009 1:06 AM

I'd be cool with Sanchez on the team as a rookie backup learning Zorn's system, but not for the cost of the draft picks and cap space we would have lost. Campbell would have bolted, and Snyderatto would have probably traded Sanchez along with more draft picks in 4 years for not producing fast enough, after he's stuggled to learn his 3rd system post-Zorn and post-Zorn's successor. That's the cycle we're in.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 10, 2009 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Alan4:

Wowie. Good Insight.

I'm always open to new ideas.

Posted by: Vicc | May 10, 2009 1:35 AM | Report abuse

"Blache said Evans was was cap related. If Alexander really equaled Evans, then why was Evans a starter and among our top tacklers/sackers on the DL (OK -- I'll agree that the rest of our DL wasn't exactly killing it) and Lorenzo a backup?Posted by: zcezcest1 "

I can see how that could happen. They're not the same player, but they're similar -- Evans better at end, but capable of moving inside to tackle; Alexander the opposite. Alexander capable of stepping in on the offensive line in a crisis; Evans not.

Alexander cheaper. Especially in light of Evans' salary demands.

ERgo, a 'cap' decision.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 10, 2009 3:20 AM | Report abuse

I'm speculating that the Giants' and Eagles made an impression on the Skins. Both teams have in recent years paid a lot of attention to the defensive line. As have Baltimore and Tennessee in the AFC.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 10, 2009 3:25 AM | Report abuse

Numbers

27,42,50,35,70,55,49,63,na
51,40,30,52,36,32,30

Griffin tackles followed by Haynesworth.

Griffin has more in his top 3 than Hayneses' #1.

Griffin's first as Skin he had 70 and 56 solo plus 6 sacks. While 52 was the highest total for the big H.

Griffin has 9 years of pro exp. While Hayneses has 7.

While Griffin is 32 and the Big H is 27.

Griffin was drafted at 23 and Haynesy was 20.

The last 3: 50,42,27 as opp. to 30,40,51.

Sacks for Big Haynesy: 2, 6, 8.5 statistically look like the key to his $$$$$$$$1/2$. Still Griffin came in with 6.

Tackles are big for a tackle. Where is he at when he makes them?

The Titans had a extremely strong front four.

We had Taylor.... Griffin's numbers will go up. Hard to say the same for Haynes....He should do an underwear commercial.

Their are 11 letters in his last name.

Posted by: chavez66 | May 10, 2009 4:04 AM | Report abuse

So will we see a sideline blow up one weekend in October?

I don't think so, Moe.

He was out of position in Tennessee they moved him to defensive end on most passing downs. Seems like he will end up playing LDE with Orapko right behind on passing downs. Daniels could end up at tackle on passing downs .. alternating at end with Carter lots of packages ... lots of mixing and matching.

Posted by: priestholmes | May 10, 2009 4:07 AM | Report abuse

It seems a fair and conservative estimate to say Carter, Haynesworth, Griffin(he's done it before), and Orakpo all had 6-8 sacks. That would be 24-32 and the Skins had 24 total for '08. The Skins were 4th from the bottom in sacks.

The hated Cowboys had 59 sacks last year.
But the Eagles, Skins, Giants, and then the Cowboys were 3,4,5 and 8th rated defenses respectively or disrespectively, how ever you want to look at it.

I don't want to get into sack envy. It doesn't sound like something anyone should get into. But the eagles had 48 (double the Skins) and the 3rd defense. Pit 51 and the top overall D with a stagering 237 yds per game. When only 8 teams were under 300 and the rest of the best hovering closer to it.

Posted by: chavez66 | May 10, 2009 4:56 AM | Report abuse

Uh, you do realize don't you that if we had kept that pick, we could have actually picked a different player that we DID need, such as an OT or LB? That trade was one of the worse in Redskins history; we basically gave away a 2nd round pick, and yes, I mean GAVE away.

Posted by: kenboy1 | May 9, 2009 11:18 PM |

Well that pick coulda been Max Unger, picked 5 players later.

What say you now, t_E?
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 9, 2009 9:11 PM


Ya'll are making this up aren't you? You mean we could have picked someone who wasn't Pat White? Well, that's different, isn't it? Never mind.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 10, 2009 6:56 AM | Report abuse

"Ya'll are making this up aren't you? You mean we could have picked someone who wasn't Pat White? Well, that's different, isn't it? Never mind.Posted by: talent_evaluator"

Perhaps you do not realize that one year before the draft, Vinny Cerrato had opened a fortune cookie to find this message: "You Pick #2, Foot Fall Off!!!" Traumatized, Vinny vowed to trade that second round pick at all costs. He didn't notice the waiter that evening bore a suspicious resemblance to Bill Parcells.

Now you have -- the rest of the story.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 10, 2009 8:00 AM | Report abuse

I think this defensive unit can be something special but it would help if the offense could do a little more than three downs and out. Remember the Ravens game last year? Early in the game the Ravens couldn't run worth squat but by the time the fourth quarter rolled around the Redskins D was just waving running backs through. I think the Redskins looked back at that game when they put together a strategy for building the defensive line this offseason. They're looking for a better rotation to give their big guys a chance to catch some oxygen on the sideline. Still, the offense has got to help the D out a little more by having more sustained drives. If the offense can do this, and if Blache can rotate his defensive linemen and move the more flexible guys around for mismatches ala Haynesworth at end occasionally and Orakpo with his fingers in the dirt occasionally, I think it will be a very long day at the ball park for opposing teams.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 10, 2009 8:09 AM | Report abuse

I sure do miss the 2nd round pick squandered by the FO last year when they didn't trust him to hold the fort when Daniels went down.

Posted by: TheCork | May 9, 2009 7:07 PM |

That pick was Pat White, QB/Receiver, from WVU. We don't need him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 9, 2009 8:57 PM

If the Skins had kept the pick they could have drafted any one of Unger, Loadholt, Levitra or Beatty, all OL prospects that went later in the round. In view of how restrained the Skins have been when opportunities arose recently to deal draft picks for QBs, it seems like the deal they made with the Phins for that 2nd round pick was a temporary lapse from their policy of taking a more disciplined approach to personnel decisions. Snyder probably still gets tingles running up his leg when he sees something like "6 time Pro Bowler who was a contestant on 'Dancing with the Stars'", but his minions apparently have been more successful of late at talking him down from acting on such impulses.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 10, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Another thing to note about the defense: I was reading up on Blache and he seems to place a premium on his defensive backs' play. If he feels he has a great cornerback tandem he will be much more aggressive up front. I think with De and Los back there, it gives Blache a little more freedom in opening a can of whoop-a$$ on opposing offenses. Granted, he had this flexibility late last season, but Hall was new to the defense, Los was one year removed from a devastating leg injury, and Springs was part of the walking wounded. To top that off, he had to play musical chairs at end with Taylor's calf boo-boo. It might be a little ironic that the guy they paid the most money to was Haynesworth and the highly touted draft pick is Orakpo, but the guy who might make the most impact as far as the defensive strategy is Hall.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 10, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

"I sure do miss the 2nd round pick squandered by the FO last year when they didn't trust him to hold the fort when Daniels went down.Posted by: TheCork | May 9, 2009 7:07 PM |
"That pick was Pat White, QB/Receiver, from WVU. We don't need him.Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 9, 2009 8:57 PM
"If the Skins had kept the pick they could have drafted any one of Unger, Loadholt, Levitra or Beatty, all OL prospects that went later in the round. In view of how restrained the Skins have been when opportunities arose recently to deal draft picks for QBs, it seems like the deal they made with the Phins for that 2nd round pick was a temporary lapse from their policy of taking a more disciplined approach to personnel decisions. Snyder probably still gets tingles running up his leg when he sees something like "6 time Pro Bowler who was a contestant on 'Dancing with the Stars'", but his minions apparently have been more successful of late at talking him down from acting on such impulses.Posted by: AntonChigurh"

That'll be 10 yards for piling on.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 10, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Before we anoint the REDSKINS ruler of the defensive universe, maybe a little thought to who will be backing up the line is in order. Appointing BRIAN ORAKPO to the role of strongside linebacker might be a bit more problematic than we think here on the old blog. And from what I'm hearing here and elsewhere, ROCKY's knees are going to be his undoing, soon. LONDON's great, but aging. And there are plenty of offenses designed to exploit poor LB play or a rookie nickel cornerback in this league. So don't go selecting the defense as #1 just yet.

Posted by: glawrence007 | May 10, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

If the Skins had kept the pick they could have drafted any one of Unger, Loadholt, Levitra or Beatty, all OL prospects that went later in the round.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 10, 2009 8:11 AM

Levitra? Talk about a wasted pick. You want an e/d drug? A four-hour boner? You can get that by prescription -- you don't need to draft it.

Anyway, if you're talking Levitra, why not go all the way and get Cialis?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 10, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Anyway, if you're talking Levitra, why not go all the way and get Cialis?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 10, 2009 9:39 AM

I believe Cialis was in last years draft not this year.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 10, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

That'll be 10 yards for piling on.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 10, 2009 9:04 AM

Heh, heh. Dude. That's all this blog does is pile on. You might as well penalize me for breathing.

Anyway, if you're talking Levitra, why not go all the way and get Cialis?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 10, 2009 9:39 AM

Sorry about that. Meant Levitre.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 10, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

T_e, I think you need to see your doctor.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 10, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Power rankings, complete with all night internet fight featuring both name calling and hair pulling.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 10, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

SPeaking just from a X's and O's point of view,if ST21 was still here,could we have afforded him,Haynesworth and Hall?Man,Reaper,Landry,Hall,Haynesworth and Orakpophobia on the same field?That shti is so sick it would'nt even be fair.

Posted by: smittdiddy | May 10, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

The Skins absolutely had to upgrade the pass rush- you do not make it to the Super Bowl without a pass rush. Quarterbacks would invite their wives out for a picnic whenever they went back to pass- the defense did an exceptional job sheriffing their respective zones, but with that much time, the qb could always find a seam (in between bites of his tunafish sandwich). Should be a great season for the defense, provided the O-line can hold together and keep the defense off the field for half the game..
And happy Mother's Day to that mother in cellblock H, Frank Scalanto, hope that nose acne is cleared up and the shampoo crisis has waned..Haitian Cognac and candied chicken thighs to you..

Posted by: frak | May 10, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

No new RI fodder today. Alas... I'm going to fly my kites:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe2PddwZJAI

Posted by: all_star_0013 | May 10, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad we didn't have that 2nd round pick. If we did, it would probably have been packaged with our 1st rounder for a trade to draft Sanchez, as we competed with the Jets to mortgage the future.

No Campbell, no Orakpo, and the cycle of new QBs/coaches would have ensured another few years of mediocrity.
Posted by: Alan4

Ala your point is well taken.

I suggest the 'skins petition the league to donate their first three round picks to a needy team, and focus on loaw-roiunders with a better chance to make the team.

Oh, wait a minute, is it possible they could bring in someone who knows football to make trade and draft picks?

Posted by: TheCork | May 10, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Au contraire. There IS new RI fodder...Happy Mother's Day to all!

Posted by: CindyBoren | May 10, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

sure do miss the 2nd round pick squandered by the FO last year when they didn't trust him to hold the fort when Daniels went down.

Posted by: TheCork | May 9, 2009 7:07 PM |

That pick was Pat White, QB/Receiver, from WVU. We don't need him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

So, T_E seems to think that had the Redskins kept that pick, they would have been somehow required to pick the same guy Miami did? I GUESS because Pat White was slotted as best available there....

That kind of thinking sounds familiar...Oh wait, I know, LAST YEAR's draft...Vinny, saying the reason he took THREE receivers was because his charts dictated it to be so. He had no other choice...

And earlier this week, T_E claimed to be an anonymous source for a RI story, one he tried to screw up by giving misleading info to the Jasons?

Hey kids...I do believe T_E is none other than our beloved Redskins EVP, Vinny Cerrato.

Posted by: TheCork | May 10, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

show the ladies that make the babies some luv tomorrow. I'm out.

Posted by: lilhollywood10

about 150 uberhip posts in record time...ADD...faux hipster lingo...my guess is lilhollywood is an out-of-work screenwriter. But then on the Left Coast, who isn't?

"show the ladies that make the babies some love tomorrow..."

Happy Mother's Day to your own bad self, too.

Posted by: TheCork | May 10, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Happy Mother's Day to all!

Posted by: CindyBoren | May 10, 2009 12:47 PM

Do we even have any mothers posting up here? I mean, other than cork?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 10, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Skins Fans!
I see dead people, I see dead offenses, I see evil, I see organized mayhem, I see body bag games. Let
me be the first to apologize to McNabb, Romo, and Eli. Sorry for your aching back, your broken leg, your swollen arms and your broken jaw. Mr Orakpo, Sir Haynesworth, Comrade Griffin, Daniels, Rocky, Carter and "His Royal Knight" Sir London; Let it be written: the Burgundy looks like blood on your opponents quarter backs, and the gold? Let it shine in the end zone for yet another defensive touch down celebration!

Hail!

Posted by: abxinc | May 9, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Gay... really, really, really, super gay.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | May 11, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

NO SHOT AT #1 overall defensive ranking.
Main reason is that the offense is going to be so bad it is going to hand the defense out to dry this year. They will spend too much time on the field and will eventually wear down.

Still no pass rush, decent LBs and average CBs.

Posted by: srobert1117 | May 11, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Wilber Marshall's middle name = Buddyhia

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 12, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

The comments to this entry are closed.

 
 
RSS Feed
Subscribe to The Post

© 2010 The Washington Post Company